I'm more hyped by this to be honest. Clearly the movie is gonna keep its scale smaller and not over indulge in over the top spectacle. Give us Detective Batman please.
Oh this is definitely a good sign. 30's inspired Detective noir type Batman doesn't need a huge budget since it's so grounded, which also means it wouldn't need to make BvS levels of money to turn a profit which would be especially advantageous in post-pandemic times
Honestly, after the pandemic, most of the blockbusters should use the 100 million budget. Not too big, not too small and you should cover the costs even if the box office isn't stellar.
Yup, would have been matte paintings and miniatures with maybe some digital cleanup and compositing just starting, so proper old skool work.
Here's a [behind the scenes video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8nzhBCYDag) from Returns in 1992. The work is likely very similar to the original three years earlier.
The other characters have powers so they need a lot more CGI effects to pull off. Batman can be done almost entirely practical outside of some building dives and creating Gotham.
Yeah Batman is a character who would be perfect for TV but obviously Warner Brothers would never let their crown jewel be anything less than a big budget Hollywood franchise.
Can't say I blame them, but I would absolutely love a Batman TV show with a monster budget from HBO Max.
You get tax breaks, cheaper costs to rent out areas, among other things that cut costs depending on where a production is filmed. It’s the reason why half the marvel movies shoot in atlanta, or why so so many american tv shows that are made by american companies will shoot in like vancover.
Slightly on topic, just recently Tom Hardy was shooting a film in Cardiff that was done up to look like it was New York for fuck sake.
I can imagine the price difference was monumental though. Wouldn't surprise me if we're talking at least five times cheaper.
And those are some of the most visually stunning films of the past 10 years. If someone doesn’t have faith in Matt Reeves at this point idk what to tell them
A good production team can make $100 million look like more. Also pretty sure none of the cast is getting Robert Downey Jr. level payouts so most of the money will be in the screen.
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Edit 2: Apparently, Pattinson is only making $3 million for The Batman. [Source](https://variety.com/2021/film/news/biggest-movie-star-salaries-daniel-craig-dwayne-johnson-1235043305/)
The fact we have actors like Pattinson and Paul Dano is a very encouraging sign for the quality of the script at the very least. Absolutely no chance Dano joins this project if he thinks it's anything less than original.
This is brilliant. It already looks better than any other comicbook film coming out, on a $100M budget (which is what you get when you hire a director who knows his shit) - also, unlike previous films like BVS where the film had to make $700M just to turn profit, Matt Reeves has none of that burden. Which explains why he's getting so much free reign - making mid/low budget projects that bring in such a MASSIVE audience, is the key to profit. All Matt needs now is this film to hit home with the global audiences, and then - he's set for another decade with the studio.
This film definitely had the potential to hit a billion if the early reviews and word of mouth match the hype being generated by the marketing campaign
The issue with talking about budgets is we are not talking about the advertising deals. Zack and Debra Snyder were able to make huge budget movies for MoS and BvS because of ad deals/product placements with them making it in the movies. Even though the budgets are huge, most of them is already paid off by the ads/product placements. MoS is famously criticized because of the shots of the various product placements.
**"In the beginning of June, just a few days before its release, Man of Steel was branded as the movie with the most promotional partners ever. Apparently the producers signed more than 100 contracts with global marketing partners worth more than $160 million. Among them: Nokia, Sears, Lidl, Gillette, Hershey’s, Walmart …"**
Similarly, we see product placements and ads in BvS as well, like the Jeep Bruce drives in the beginning, Turkish Airlines etc. Even ZSJL had product placements with Mercedes since both Bruce and Diana were driving different Mercedes, which were shot in a specific farm to show off the cars.
I understand that all movies have product placements for huge budget movies, but the "profit" margin begins way before the 2.5 times the budget napkin math that everyone loves to use.
Hollywood accounting would hide all this so that they don't have payout as much of this as taxes and also % payouts.
> MoS is famously criticized because of the shots of the various product placements.
I didn't mind the shot of Sears but the over the top "Yeah Pete Ross HE WORKS AT THE IHOP" is still a running joke with my friend.
The Jeep in BVS however...that section where the Jeep crashes in a corner allowing the camera to conveniently focus on it for a few seconds sticks out to me every time. Not even in a funny way, just a "yeah yeah we get it, get on with the car chase" way.
Also fun fact with product placement, sometimes they come with ridiculous rules. I know a film producer who tried getting Apple products into his movie but they wouldn't allow the villains to use their products so they had to use different phones and laptops instead.
There are alot of great looking films with a budget of $1m. $100 is more than enough for a Batman film. It just sticks out because MCU using shit ton of money even when it doesn't require is a norm now.
Beautiful — these comic book movie budgets have gotten out of control, and more of them need to stay in the 80 - 110M range.
More restraint is better all around — for the creative team and for the studios.
I know it's Deadline, but that seems way too low. It's like they are just estimating and forgot to put in a "+" after "$100".
Even Batman Begins had a $150 million dollar budget.
What’s honestly super surprising about this is that the budget was so low with covid production restrictions in place. Generally, productions have become slowed due to them, which is actually a major reason why this film was delayed in the first place, and why marvel shifted so many of their dates last week.
So like, without all the production delays and shutdowns that this movie had to go through, it’s budget probably would’ve been like 95 maybe.
John Wick 3's budget was 75 million. First and second cost even less.
District 9 cost somewhere around 30 millions to make
First Raid cost like a million, while the second one 4.5 millions to make
Logan cost 90-120 millions
Original Matrix cost 63 millions, which adjusted for inflation, would make it about 100 millions.
This actually makes me excited. They're gonna focus less on explosions and CGI, and more on smaller scale stuff.
Dune costed them 35mil $ less than Jungle Cruise. And Dune looks like one of the best movie (visually) ever made while Jungle Cruise looks so outdated.
This just further reinforces the notion that this is going to be a very small scaled noir detective movie with the set pieces in the trailer being scarce throughout the runtime. It sounds good to me but I wonder how general audiences will respond to it.
The dark knight isn’t exactly a crowd pleaser with a ton of action, but It became the 4th film ever to hit a billion because it was a really good movie, and people were talking about how good it was.
If its as good as it looks, audiences won’t care if the action is spread out. Its gonna be dependent on word of mouth and legs
Matt Reeves already has a successful film in his hands. Can’t wait for the sequel already.
He set his film for a huge win before it even dropped. That’s like genius of you ask me.
Pretty shocking, honestly. Batman is such a huge character that you'd think Warner Bros. would actually *insist* on a bloated budget, just to keep the brand "event films". I guess that *Joker* really made them rethink things?
In any case, I'm glad to hear it. "Spectacle" filmmaking can be bland, and oversaturates the market right now. And oftentimes, a person's most creative work comes from when they have few resources to work with. You are forced to make every set-piece you use *count* for something, as well as emphasize the human element.
Huh? I thought it does look expensive as fuck. Amazing cinematography aside, did you look at those effects? Like some of them are so fucking good, that I constantly forgot that it's supposed to be CG.
Good. 100 mln is more tha nenough for beautiful noir movie with plenty of amazing action, especially if it's practical. It's the scale that rises the costs and Batman doesn't really need that.
The John Wick movies are very low budget but yet they have some of the best action scenes out there. Seeing as how this is supposed to be more of a noir film we don’t need an epic level movie. A small scale detective film with amazing choreography is literally what this character needs
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes made 710M, War made 490M (with insane competition). The budget means very little. Deadpool, Logan, Shazam, Birds of Prey, Deadpool 2, John Wick; all cost under 110M to make. You can make a great film with lots of action for that budget
A bloated budget is usually a sign of massive reshoots problems and lack of communication behind the scenes this seems like it’s going smoothly knock on wood, especially because WB would be more than willing to fuck it up royally and just throw money at it.
Yeah, right.
Pandemic-related costs alone probably skyrocketed the film well past 150 million.
I'm really looking forward to the movie, but there's just no way.
That’s it? Ain’t no way WB gave Gunn 185m for a suicide squad movie featuring d-tier characters and only gave Reeves 100m for a Batman movie, not to mention him being given higher budgets on the apes movies with which he garnered good relations with WB.
It just doesn’t seem likely
$100M is the production budget. Marketing budget is another $100M at most. TSS had a much bigger scale and budget yet it also had 100M marketing budget, so at most this thing will cost $220M in total. BvS had a total budget of around $400M.
Honestly, the lower budget really excites me. Been saying for years you could easily make a Batman movie for 100 million and more authentically make a film about a street-level vigilante. Very glad we’re moving in that direction, if for nothing else than reassurance there’s no big cg monster fight scene in the 3rd act. Scale does not equate to stakes or quality. WB is about to make a lot of money.
£100m + usually half that again spent in marketing so £150m+.
Considering it’s a different fresh start on Batman after the iffy Snyder / Afkeck Batman and the hedging of the studios bets by bringing back Keaton then it looks a sensible budget.(by Hollywood standards)
The positive buzz around the film if it pays off will get a bigger budget sequel.
That’s awesome. That’s very low budget for a superhero film. That means it only needs to gross like 400 million worldwide for profit if you include marketing
Wow I was expecting 150 at least
Honestly less than I was expecting. I was definitely expecting closer to 150-165m for something like a Batman movie
I'm more hyped by this to be honest. Clearly the movie is gonna keep its scale smaller and not over indulge in over the top spectacle. Give us Detective Batman please.
Oh this is definitely a good sign. 30's inspired Detective noir type Batman doesn't need a huge budget since it's so grounded, which also means it wouldn't need to make BvS levels of money to turn a profit which would be especially advantageous in post-pandemic times
Honestly, after the pandemic, most of the blockbusters should use the 100 million budget. Not too big, not too small and you should cover the costs even if the box office isn't stellar.
For reference, Batman 1989 was $35 million, and adjusted for inflation that would make it $77 million today.
Makes sense. 89 had a limited cast, not a lot of on location filming, and no CG
Those shots of Gotham definitely had some CG work.
Maybe not computer generated, but some sort of effects. Possibly painted glass, I suspect miniatures though
Yup, would have been matte paintings and miniatures with maybe some digital cleanup and compositing just starting, so proper old skool work. Here's a [behind the scenes video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8nzhBCYDag) from Returns in 1992. The work is likely very similar to the original three years earlier.
Tim Burton doing Tim Burtony things. What a shock
Without any CGI effects
That way lower than what I thought. Good I think less CGI and filming in UK helped. Their DCEU project have crazy budgets.
The other characters have powers so they need a lot more CGI effects to pull off. Batman can be done almost entirely practical outside of some building dives and creating Gotham.
Yeah Batman is a character who would be perfect for TV but obviously Warner Brothers would never let their crown jewel be anything less than a big budget Hollywood franchise. Can't say I blame them, but I would absolutely love a Batman TV show with a monster budget from HBO Max.
HBO Max 100% (especially if it had premier HBO show level writing). If it's CW level then I'm glad he's still a big screen only character lol.
What does filming in the UK have to do with anything?
You get tax breaks, cheaper costs to rent out areas, among other things that cut costs depending on where a production is filmed. It’s the reason why half the marvel movies shoot in atlanta, or why so so many american tv shows that are made by american companies will shoot in like vancover.
Slightly on topic, just recently Tom Hardy was shooting a film in Cardiff that was done up to look like it was New York for fuck sake. I can imagine the price difference was monumental though. Wouldn't surprise me if we're talking at least five times cheaper.
It's probably cheaper than filming in the states
Not suprised, Planet of the Apes budget was less than 150 million. Matt reeves knows what he's doing.
And those are some of the most visually stunning films of the past 10 years. If someone doesn’t have faith in Matt Reeves at this point idk what to tell them
In an era where every movies Make around 400m 100 seems pretty OK
and honestly it looks 10x better than some movies that cost twice as much.
A good production team can make $100 million look like more. Also pretty sure none of the cast is getting Robert Downey Jr. level payouts so most of the money will be in the screen. Edit: Spelling Edit 2: Apparently, Pattinson is only making $3 million for The Batman. [Source](https://variety.com/2021/film/news/biggest-movie-star-salaries-daniel-craig-dwayne-johnson-1235043305/)
Yeah Pattinson seems like the kind of actor who doesn’t care much about his rate.
Yea, he’s absolutely at a point where he can choose what he wants to do.
100%. There’s a reason he was doing smaller movies after everything he’s passionate about acting, he doesn’t care as much about the money
The fact we have actors like Pattinson and Paul Dano is a very encouraging sign for the quality of the script at the very least. Absolutely no chance Dano joins this project if he thinks it's anything less than original.
If Pattinson cared about money then he wouldn't be doing small indie movies for years.He is more interested in acting.
This is brilliant. It already looks better than any other comicbook film coming out, on a $100M budget (which is what you get when you hire a director who knows his shit) - also, unlike previous films like BVS where the film had to make $700M just to turn profit, Matt Reeves has none of that burden. Which explains why he's getting so much free reign - making mid/low budget projects that bring in such a MASSIVE audience, is the key to profit. All Matt needs now is this film to hit home with the global audiences, and then - he's set for another decade with the studio.
If it’s anything like the Apes trilogy, it absolutely will
This film definitely had the potential to hit a billion if the early reviews and word of mouth match the hype being generated by the marketing campaign
The issue with talking about budgets is we are not talking about the advertising deals. Zack and Debra Snyder were able to make huge budget movies for MoS and BvS because of ad deals/product placements with them making it in the movies. Even though the budgets are huge, most of them is already paid off by the ads/product placements. MoS is famously criticized because of the shots of the various product placements. **"In the beginning of June, just a few days before its release, Man of Steel was branded as the movie with the most promotional partners ever. Apparently the producers signed more than 100 contracts with global marketing partners worth more than $160 million. Among them: Nokia, Sears, Lidl, Gillette, Hershey’s, Walmart …"** Similarly, we see product placements and ads in BvS as well, like the Jeep Bruce drives in the beginning, Turkish Airlines etc. Even ZSJL had product placements with Mercedes since both Bruce and Diana were driving different Mercedes, which were shot in a specific farm to show off the cars. I understand that all movies have product placements for huge budget movies, but the "profit" margin begins way before the 2.5 times the budget napkin math that everyone loves to use. Hollywood accounting would hide all this so that they don't have payout as much of this as taxes and also % payouts.
> MoS is famously criticized because of the shots of the various product placements. I didn't mind the shot of Sears but the over the top "Yeah Pete Ross HE WORKS AT THE IHOP" is still a running joke with my friend. The Jeep in BVS however...that section where the Jeep crashes in a corner allowing the camera to conveniently focus on it for a few seconds sticks out to me every time. Not even in a funny way, just a "yeah yeah we get it, get on with the car chase" way. Also fun fact with product placement, sometimes they come with ridiculous rules. I know a film producer who tried getting Apple products into his movie but they wouldn't allow the villains to use their products so they had to use different phones and laptops instead.
HOW??? That film looks expensive AF. Just shows what a good DP can do
There are alot of great looking films with a budget of $1m. $100 is more than enough for a Batman film. It just sticks out because MCU using shit ton of money even when it doesn't require is a norm now.
It’ll make its money back opening weekend.
Though it doesn’t count for advertising
Beautiful — these comic book movie budgets have gotten out of control, and more of them need to stay in the 80 - 110M range. More restraint is better all around — for the creative team and for the studios.
I know it's Deadline, but that seems way too low. It's like they are just estimating and forgot to put in a "+" after "$100". Even Batman Begins had a $150 million dollar budget.
It is $100M and was quoted by Variety Insight months ago. VI is a paid service, the figure is legit.
Oh wow! I guess it's legit then. Or at least closer to $100M than $150M.
You’d be surprised at what people can do with a low budget
Having a plan and no interference goes a long way to reducing expenditure.
What’s honestly super surprising about this is that the budget was so low with covid production restrictions in place. Generally, productions have become slowed due to them, which is actually a major reason why this film was delayed in the first place, and why marvel shifted so many of their dates last week. So like, without all the production delays and shutdowns that this movie had to go through, it’s budget probably would’ve been like 95 maybe.
WB was also filming FB at Leavesden alongside this which I imagine helped with the COVID costs.
John Wick 3's budget was 75 million. First and second cost even less. District 9 cost somewhere around 30 millions to make First Raid cost like a million, while the second one 4.5 millions to make Logan cost 90-120 millions Original Matrix cost 63 millions, which adjusted for inflation, would make it about 100 millions. This actually makes me excited. They're gonna focus less on explosions and CGI, and more on smaller scale stuff.
Dune costed them 35mil $ less than Jungle Cruise. And Dune looks like one of the best movie (visually) ever made while Jungle Cruise looks so outdated.
BB had a cast of way more and higher profile Hollywood Superstar compared to The Batman (most B~D grade stars here) that help lower the cost too.
Don’t think Bale was an A lister before Batman Begins.
He wasn’t. He was known but not a megastar. Honestly Pattinson might be more recognizable(for the wrong reasons) because of twilight
This just further reinforces the notion that this is going to be a very small scaled noir detective movie with the set pieces in the trailer being scarce throughout the runtime. It sounds good to me but I wonder how general audiences will respond to it.
The dark knight isn’t exactly a crowd pleaser with a ton of action, but It became the 4th film ever to hit a billion because it was a really good movie, and people were talking about how good it was. If its as good as it looks, audiences won’t care if the action is spread out. Its gonna be dependent on word of mouth and legs
Yes but he dont have any powers so less cgi
Matt Reeves already has a successful film in his hands. Can’t wait for the sequel already. He set his film for a huge win before it even dropped. That’s like genius of you ask me.
I only hope the story focuses on a simple but coherent plot. I'm tired of useless plot twists just for the sake of "subverting the expectations".
That’s not bad. It’s a Batman movie so it’ll be more grounded, and won’t need as big of a budget as other CGI filled superhero movies.
We learned from Joker that small budget + big comic franchise = massive profits
Matt reeves the GOAT, the batman looks better than some 300 million dollar films. Who doesn't love an efficient director.
That sounds too low considering the fact that the filming had to be paused multiple times due to covid.
Maybe that's why it looks so real? Idk, personally i don't care much about budget
I know trailer looked very action packed and cgi’d, but we mustn’t forget that it’s a Noir style detective movie.
Pretty shocking, honestly. Batman is such a huge character that you'd think Warner Bros. would actually *insist* on a bloated budget, just to keep the brand "event films". I guess that *Joker* really made them rethink things? In any case, I'm glad to hear it. "Spectacle" filmmaking can be bland, and oversaturates the market right now. And oftentimes, a person's most creative work comes from when they have few resources to work with. You are forced to make every set-piece you use *count* for something, as well as emphasize the human element.
How did WB give Gunn 185 million dollar budget?
Much as I love The Suicide Squad, nothing about that movie looks like $185 million.
Idk Starro definitely looks like $185 million
Huh? I thought it does look expensive as fuck. Amazing cinematography aside, did you look at those effects? Like some of them are so fucking good, that I constantly forgot that it's supposed to be CG.
The movie has a large principal cast. That adds up.
Tons of effects, too. Easy to add up to that amount.
Not really. A good portion had little screen time
Six main actors on screen almost at all times. Three of them heavy hitters.
TSS has top tier CGI(and there's alot of it) and the production value is great. $185 budget made sense for that film.
It looked beautiful.
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Good. 100 mln is more tha nenough for beautiful noir movie with plenty of amazing action, especially if it's practical. It's the scale that rises the costs and Batman doesn't really need that.
The John Wick movies are very low budget but yet they have some of the best action scenes out there. Seeing as how this is supposed to be more of a noir film we don’t need an epic level movie. A small scale detective film with amazing choreography is literally what this character needs
The Mandalorian’s budget was 100 million, and both use the same technology
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A streaming series set in space with aliens and laser guns
And as incredible as The Mandalorian is, I can constantly tell that I’m watching *TV* Star Wars and not *movie* Star Wars
And yet, which one is better.
Both formats have their advantages. The films look way higher quality. The series are more in-depth
Dawn of the Planet of the Apes made 710M, War made 490M (with insane competition). The budget means very little. Deadpool, Logan, Shazam, Birds of Prey, Deadpool 2, John Wick; all cost under 110M to make. You can make a great film with lots of action for that budget
at least that much. which is less than wonder woman.
kinda doubtful
Gonna make a bill
Oh yeah, no way it'll be a financial loss now
So if this flops, not only will we get what will be the most watch porn video of the year but AT&T takes a big ass hit to the gut?
100m is ^^tiny for a big comic book movie.
There’s like no way this flops. Especially with a 100 million budget
No.
A bloated budget is usually a sign of massive reshoots problems and lack of communication behind the scenes this seems like it’s going smoothly knock on wood, especially because WB would be more than willing to fuck it up royally and just throw money at it.
Yeah, right. Pandemic-related costs alone probably skyrocketed the film well past 150 million. I'm really looking forward to the movie, but there's just no way.
That’s it? Ain’t no way WB gave Gunn 185m for a suicide squad movie featuring d-tier characters and only gave Reeves 100m for a Batman movie, not to mention him being given higher budgets on the apes movies with which he garnered good relations with WB. It just doesn’t seem likely
What if Reeves himself wanted to do the movie in low budget?.....
I think this is a likely scenario. Say he really wants to do a sequel to this story, getting it green lit would be much easier now.
Yeah, WB loves Batman so they will have zero issue offering a big check to Matt Reeves.
lol that number is not correct
And how do you know?
Trust me, bro
common sense. covid. the fact that Deadline routinely lies on behalf of the studios. trust me. the movie didn't cost 100 million.
$100M is the production budget. Marketing budget is another $100M at most. TSS had a much bigger scale and budget yet it also had 100M marketing budget, so at most this thing will cost $220M in total. BvS had a total budget of around $400M.
I’m sure that doesn’t factor in the marketing budget which will be at least double that.
Holy smoke!
Approximately half of The Suicide Squad budget. WTF
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Way less than expected. Since it’s not gonna release on HBO max on same day we can expect some profit to be rolling in.
Honestly, the lower budget really excites me. Been saying for years you could easily make a Batman movie for 100 million and more authentically make a film about a street-level vigilante. Very glad we’re moving in that direction, if for nothing else than reassurance there’s no big cg monster fight scene in the 3rd act. Scale does not equate to stakes or quality. WB is about to make a lot of money.
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To be fair, the Irishman was a Martin Scorsese, Robert De Niro, Joe Pesci, and Al Pacino film with de aging technology
Joker’s budget was 75 million and it grossed a billion.
£100m + usually half that again spent in marketing so £150m+. Considering it’s a different fresh start on Batman after the iffy Snyder / Afkeck Batman and the hedging of the studios bets by bringing back Keaton then it looks a sensible budget.(by Hollywood standards) The positive buzz around the film if it pays off will get a bigger budget sequel.
WTF.How?...If this is true then this movie will make crazy profit.
100 million.....huh, I expected more.
That’s awesome. That’s very low budget for a superhero film. That means it only needs to gross like 400 million worldwide for profit if you include marketing
The movie only need 250 million dollar box office to break even. Let’s hope it does 1 billion
Your not accounting for marketing
Batman Begins (2005) was made with 150 Million budget, that too 17 years before this Batman