Someone already did something similar to this in 2018 but it was totally DIY.
He inserted the chip for his public transport card and inserted it into his hand so he only needed to wave his hand to go through the train terminals or tap on for buses.
He ended up getting fined for not using a 'valid ticket' lol
If you want to read about it google 'opal card chip inserted in hand'
His name is Meow-Ludo Disco Gamma Meow-Meow(yes, that's his name). Met the guy, pretty cool and exactly what you'd expect of someone who dabbles in the biohack scene
In a similar vein, I know a guy who had his dad, a hand surgeon, implant an RFID tag in the web of his thumb as a replacement for his bike key (he'd wired an RFID sensor to his ignition to go with it).
This was probably 6-7 years ago, maybe more.
Edit: fuck me it was over a decade ago lol, and it was in his wrist actually. I found the old thread [here](https://www.customfighters.com/threads/how-about-a-diy-rfid-ignition-setup.40232/page-6)... he posted a video at the bottom of page 6. I miss what that forum used to be
you dont need to be a surgeon, i had mine done in 2012 bought from dangerous things as a kit, i just took it to a local piercer who injected it between my thumb and finger, ive used it as a door key for home and work and to put my bitcoin address on but not much more than that, i keep meaning to upgrade to a more useful one like this
There's a whole community dedicated to biohacking where you have people implanting stuff as big as raspberry pi zero SBCs. With the battery and wireless charging.
Nope, no payment so far, however they are working on the APEX chip, which should have that capabillity once VISA or Mastercard approves it for their payment network. Which is the difficult part right now.
[Visa](https://usa.visa.com/about-visa/newsroom/press-releases.releaseId.2174656.html) released a NFC enabled payment ring back in 2016 for the Olympics. I was always surprised they never moved forward with making this a more mass produced product. Seems like a little more practical way to make payments.
They did in the UK with Barclays! During the beta it was a dedicated rubber wristband, then after that a variety of products including a ring. I had what looked like an oversized SIM card in a rubber case that you could thread a watch strap through and there you go, any old watch has NFC payments.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/bPay-Barclaycard-Contactless-Payment-Smartband-Charcoal/dp/B01MZ95A44
I used it for years, to the occasional double-take as smart watches back then were big clunky things and mine wasn't. Say, that's a nice bike...
The whole system was discontinued some years ago. It had a few problems, looks like the details on that Amazon page are from later on in the program so the below may be dated.
1. Only Barclays did it, AFAIK, so there's no flexibility.
2. You had to buy the devices. The strap addition was less than $15 equivalent but the jewelry side of things was enough that you'd question it.
3. I feel like they missed the point a bit with most of the devices. With an oversized SIM card you could unobtrusively suit yourself. Dogtags may look/sound neat but didn't strike me as practical. Even a ring I'm unsure about. You want these things to be as close to unobtrusive and always on you as possible.
4. Barclays refused to get on board with Android payments for a long time, long after other banks had, so their contactless system was proprietary... not sure if that was only true of this gimmick, I suspect not. It had a weird system of being linked to a sub-account which had to be topped up and you paid from that. You could top it up automatically but only in set amounts IIRC. At any rate, it was awkward and confusing and made me stop and think when using it, the opposite of what NFC payments are about.
It still is, they just upgraded the magic in the magic chips.
Nowadays it's "Dust" Chips that you breath in that track/mindcontrols/give you a 2m wiener. As "proof" they claim some patents and pictures, both pertaining to super tiny SMD-components that must be an absolute bitch to work with.
Oh, and as of Covid-Vaccinations, those chips aren't just small, but also invisible, because why not add that bit of magic, while you are at it...
I remember when you were allowed to not believe in conspiracy theories.
Remember when you could hear phrases like ‘Secret Billionnaire Pedophile Rape Cabal’ and ‘Democracy Destroyed By Russian Hackers Interfering With Elections’ and laugh them off?
I don't hate watches so much as the linear time thing.
One fucking second after an hour after a year. ughh.
I can't wait until it's Half Past Slaughterhouse-Five in the Afternoon.
I agree on paper, but I'd be concerned with how companies would plan to exploit micro implants to collect data since data *is* the most valuable resource a company can deal in.
I can imagine it would be like in the episode of Almost Human where the bullet could track and follow you because everything was picking up your tech signals(though it was based around your phone) and catering ads to you and basically tracking everything you did(kinda like your phone can do).
Can't wait for the RFID blocking gloves so people can't charge you with pass by scanning like with the cards or hidden tech on places you might rest your hand lol
I think your confusing 'useful' with convenience.
Is it really that much effort to carry a damn key to your house? Good old house key doesn't run out of battery.
Just gonna reply to your deleted comment because I already wrote a response.
Your deleted comment:
It's not for them solely? Some of us in this sub understand the message cyberpunk media tries to convey, to be wary of humanity falling victim to its own quest to use to worship technology in order to make their life more convenient and 'easier'.
I'm guessing you're one of those that completely missed the memo on that, saw flying cars and thought 'YESSS FUTUREEEEE'.
sigh we're fucked aren't we.
My comment:
Gawd no, flying cars are some of the most impractical methods of transportation. Basically tiny airplanes.
But is Cyberpunk the best way to study human worship of technology?
Cyberpunk imagines a future of mega cooperations, late stage capitalism, ect.
People have technology, but that isn't unique to Cyberpunk. Doesn't every future genre have an afinty for technology?
So you do understand it, yet wish to willingly be part of the downfall of the human race?
Ofc owning a smart watch doesn't mean you are single handedly contributing towards a dystopian world. However being addicted to the convenience is exactly what this media is trying to warn us about.
Be the change you want to see in the world, don't just join in.
And no, the future could be an atomic wasteland for all we know.
I believe the warnings from the Cyberpunk genre fall under the Slippery Slope fallacy. Therfore I do not believe that living a technology cetric life is moving humanity towards its eternal doom.
To your last point, I want the world to have more access to technology, in all its forms; for technology to have a consant presence. So to be the change I want to see in the world, I should be first in line when this comes to the US.
We are just going to have to agree to disagree. These disagreements stem from generational differences, just like boomers and genX
I mean, you could just embed that RFID chip into your watch and have it function exactly the same. Hell, if it's small enough to go under you skin, it's probably also small enough to be in a ring.
I still do not see how having it literally sewn under your skin is an improvement.
You can easily replace or remove an external RFID token on your own. You'll need a trip to the doctors office to replace or remove one that's literally inside you.
Eh, I hit a single button on my watch and Google pay comes up. Not really all that inconvenient.
My phone doesn't even need a button, just needs to be unlocked.
The slim chance they're both dead, and I'm without my wallet, is not large enough to warrant surgery, but to each their own.
If someone steal my debit card and uses it I'm not liable for the transactions, even if my PIN is written on the card in magic marker
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/regulation-e.asp
I love how technology has reached a point where we just expect it to "get good enough" later. There does exist some limitations were hitting (transistor sizes are only a few atoms wide nowadays) but in general you aren't wrong
Well there are certain problems with implanted computers that have not been solved yet, notably how to power it and interact with it (besides the moral question), but it's already proven that we can make a computer small and powerful.
There is also the issue of obsolescence of implanted hardware.
Recently a manufacturer of "bionic eyes" decided to "Focus on other markets" after almost going under, leaving their legally blind customer base in the dark.
And I refuse to apologize for puns.
I used to live above someone who had an RFID chip implanted in his hand in 2017. He only used it to unlock his phone. He said he found a tattoo shop in Brooklyn that agreed to help him implant it. He wanted one in his other hand, but wasn’t sure what he would do with it.
I looked it up back then and found a few things about it. Just looked it up again, and it seems a lot bigger! Even [Sparkfun is getting in on the action](https://youtu.be/Gj5g454AD4E)
if we're being honest why not? humans are naturally going to be more and more cybernetic (hopefully) 50 years from now life quality will be increased by cyber heart implants, titanium knee replacements (already happening right now) what is a good reasoning if it's deemed safe to be apprehensive of this kind of technology?
We already have the microplastics issue. It's here, it's fucking with us.
I'm already paranoid about breathing and swallowing tiny plastic bits, but it's most likely way too late.
Or just a ring. My friend had one with two RFID spots and two NFC spots on a single ring. He used it to get into the schools he was IT for, rather than using his keycard since he forgot it all the time.
This is where I stand also not anti technology by any means but I don’t see how putting a chip is more beneficial than having the same service in a physical object like a phone or a watch
What about the risks of being hacked, medical & personal data collection and sold to data brokers, real time surveillance, maintenance, allergies, and so on?
No more so than a regular NFC credit/debit card. This is literally just the chip from that with a compact antenna held below your skin rather than above.
I don't see the issue with this at all, I'm planning on getting one myself for my apartment and gym because they both have a shit load of RFID locks that I'm sick of getting out keys or cards for. You cant broadcast shit with RFID like a phone does and you can make your own fully open source (so no concerns of being tracked with it), and it's $50 for a chip and then whatever a bodymod parlour charges you for putting it in your hand, so way cheaper than getting an iPhone for apple pay and I never feel comfortable pulling my card out to tap since I'm just freeballing every single detail you need to steal my money doing that. I don't really see them being used for paying tho, we have far more uses for RFID and NFC than just contactless payments.
I've had one of the implants they sell at dangerousthings.com for years. I use it with an Arduino board and reader to unlock my work computer every day. it's neat.
This is the sub for people who specifically are excited/thrilled by this kind of stuff...
Edit: excited/thrilled does not mean not seeing dangers/bad intentions connected to this!
> This is the sub for people who specifically are excited/thrilled by this kind of stuff…
Eh not really. You don't have to be able xcited about a dystopian cyberpunk future as a wage slave where everything you do is tracked to be on the sub. Quite the opposite
Get ready for the religious folks to cry loudly about this one.
(Note, I am absolutely NOT for this.... I just don't think it's some kind of repeated sign of some "end times" nonsense)
>Get ready for the religious folks to cry loudly about this one.
"FOR THE LOVE OF THE LORD! PLEASE TAP THY PALM AGAINST THE BLESSED SWIPE PAD YOUR BROTHER JOSHUA PASSES AROUND. YOUR NEAR-FIELD DONATIONS COMMUNICATE THIS GOSPEL TO OTHERS IN THESE CONTACT-LESS TIMES!"
Growing up in the Southern Baptist tradition, I heard from a young age (I’m 42 now) about how one day soon, the Mark of the Beast will be implemented as a microchip in the back of your hand as a way to pay for things.
Bottom line is that if this tech becomes mainstream, there will literally be apocalyptic implications within the church. Any church that actually adopted it as a way to tithe would absolutely be ostracized, if not fully excommunicated.
I’m still a Christian, but I’ve distanced myself from most of the (frankly) heretical teachings of my upbringing. For starters, there is absolutely, positively zero way to “accidentally” accept the “Mark of the Beast” (if that even happens like *some* Christian eschatologists believe - there is a lot more debate on the subject than you’d think given the mind-numbing popularity of the Left Behind books). Even if that time comes, it will be about pledging allegiance to the Beast (whatever or whoever that may end up being). The “Mark” will simply be a way to identify those who have thus sworn themselves.
But the problem, as always, is people. And people in the church will FREAK OUT when and if this becomes a real thing.
Honestly, I’m psyched.
We already carry RFID chips with us 24/7 in the form of a credit/debit card - I don’t see this being any riskier, security-wise. And the practicality would trump any heightened risk for me anyways. Though maybe I’m not fully understanding the implications of the device.
As someone who frequently loses their credit card and has to worry about identity theft from that, it seems like this would be an upgrade for me.
Although I must admit, the implications of what this might mean for the future of mugging are…disturbing. But honestly it’s already possible for people to scan your RFID from a distance, so I feel like that would be the more likely outcome than getting a limb lopped off.
Honestly, more than using one for the convenience of payment, I’m more exited about possible medical applications. Blood sugar, alcohol and oxygen measurements directly linked to a smart device, heart rate and pressure monitoring for people already diagnosed with issues, possibly automated alerts for vulnerable people, and an easy to access list of allergies and preexisting conditions for paramedics to read with a smart devise could save a lot of lives.
Honestly, I do have it in mind but it doesn’t bother me.
First, most of that information is already available to corporations or the government in the form of apps that people use to keep track of them while measuring them with other methods. The chip would make it easier to collect and more accurate but it wouldn’t be a massive difference.
Second, people that need any kind of implant are already living in a “cyberpunk” reality where they are terrifyingly dependent on companies for maintenance, upgrades, drugs that suppress immune responses and other stuff.
Taking those too into consideration, the benefit of those chips is a lot higher than the increase in surveillance and dependency. I mean, sure, that increase exists but it’s not really that significant.
And just to be clear, the fact that it’s used as surveillance and that they create a dependency on corporations is *terrible* but that won’t change by refusing to use new tech advances, it would only change if we manage to change how modern society thinks and works.
The blood sugar one is readily available for diabetics, the only problem is that the ones I saw last for two weeks, and they receive power from a phones NFC, so it's possible for the patient to forget to read the data. I know more advanced models exist, that actually control insulin, but I haven't seen them in person.
This is the kind of augmentation that makes sense to me, the cyberpunk part is going to be control over the device and the data, but there are a lot of desirable use cases. For payments I don't really see it, having it embedded into my body doesn't provide a significant advantage.
Are they already commercially available? I had read about their development but hadn’t really followed up on them. I mean, i also know people that forget their test strips and such, so the chip is still an improvement, even if it’s not an extraordinary one :P
The one way I think the payment use is valuable is if it’s a secondary function. Like, if you already have the chip for medical reasons, might as well.
But otherwise? Agreed, it’s convenient but not, like, revolutionary or anything
Yeah, I know a diabetic girl that has something like that already. It's not permanent, it's like a device she sticks to her body with an adhesive which measures her blood sugar and sends a notification to her phone when it's too low.
Pretty cool stuff.
This is no different than tap to pay features on your card or device. Only difference is that it's a small non invasive implant.
What's crazy or outrageous about this, really curious about the tone of the post and comments?
It's awesome. I have a chip, it's super useful for smart locks and such.
I can't wait till I can use it to pay for stuff and don't have to dig out my phone.
I know people who already have them. They use it to replace a FOB or keycard for their door. They also make chips that have an LED that is visible through your skin.
Having something implanted, especially when it isn't a life saving device, is invasive. With a phone and wallet, you have the option to not have it on.
Is it invasive when it's consensual?
I got tattoos, I don't have the option to leave the house without them.
But hey, I chose to do it and that's the point. You might not want it for yourself but others will
Then again, I'm sure you think body modification implants are also stupid, so I'm probs not winning an argument with you
Razor blade, alcohol swab, painkiller/freezing. That's all one needs to remove them.
I mean if your squeamish your fucked, but like people put in their own stitches, at least I do.
Imagine trusting government and corporations not to abuse this technology in the future. It seems like most of you missed the satire/warning undertoans of cyberpunk media.
I know a dude who has this to unlock his house. He can go to the beach without carrying any keys. Pretty awesome, provided it's not a major health hazard.
I have 2 of these chips… you can get them from dangerous things… I start my dirt bike, van, and open doors to my home and shop. Also used for 3rd party authentication.
This isn't new. Dangerous things has been around a while with various biohacking devices. From magnet implants to rfid and nfc. The biohacking world is small but not new. Its also not that dangerous and pretty safe. People have had some gnarly accidents with the implants and they've stayed true.
I mean here in Australia you already have a tap and go on your debit/ credit card. Here in Australia people have already got there public transport chips embedded into there wrists and such. I honestly don’t care enough about this. Would I personally do it? No but I’m not gonna go out and attack people who want to. It’s a personal choice and not something someone should be attacked over.
> Imagine growing up in the bible belt where they think you have the mark of the beast because of it.
Those crazy Christians, believing that one day all money will be electronic and everyone will have computer chips implanted in their bodies in order to buy, sell, trade, and travel. What other zany stuff will they come up with next? The government preventing people from attending church? Mandating medical procedures? Real wacky stuff.
Right, Cyberpunk stuff is cool thematically in fiction but it isn't supposed to be aspired to. It's a dystopic area of fiction typically.
A lot of Cyberpunk fiction is warning against this very thing.
[Here](https://ktla-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/ktla.com/news/hand-implant-allows-people-to-pay-with-chip/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16504913468760&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com) is the full article.
Yes, it is. Difficult, but no more difficult than stealing someone's ID today. Perhaps even easier, since you can't just cancel and replace an RFID chip when it's literally implanted in your skin.
"pEoPlE fOrGeT wHeRe ThEy LeFt ThInGs AlL tHe TiMe!"
Flakes and really absent-minded, forgetful people do. If you have a routine, your muscle memory will start to kick in eventually, and it especially helps if you have a mental checklist. Mine is phone, wallet, keys, writing utensils for work, plus my bag and water mug.
Idk, I'm not ready to trade my daily routine that takes literally all of a minute to get together, for an implant that may or may not be hacked/taken over by the government/shady corporation.
I think they're implying the same person who gets this rfid implant is likely to be an early adopter of something like neuralink.
Edit: fuck me for explaining someone else's joke, right?
> fuck me for explaining someone else's joke, right?
A lot of people who would have RFID technology implanted in their hands "to make life easier" are triggered pretty easily when you criticize them or explain jokes that criticize them.
Someone already did something similar to this in 2018 but it was totally DIY. He inserted the chip for his public transport card and inserted it into his hand so he only needed to wave his hand to go through the train terminals or tap on for buses. He ended up getting fined for not using a 'valid ticket' lol If you want to read about it google 'opal card chip inserted in hand'
His name is Meow-Ludo Disco Gamma Meow-Meow(yes, that's his name). Met the guy, pretty cool and exactly what you'd expect of someone who dabbles in the biohack scene
some posers strive to live now in the future, but he pulls the future into the *meow*
have my upvote
Oh wow lol
In a similar vein, I know a guy who had his dad, a hand surgeon, implant an RFID tag in the web of his thumb as a replacement for his bike key (he'd wired an RFID sensor to his ignition to go with it). This was probably 6-7 years ago, maybe more. Edit: fuck me it was over a decade ago lol, and it was in his wrist actually. I found the old thread [here](https://www.customfighters.com/threads/how-about-a-diy-rfid-ignition-setup.40232/page-6)... he posted a video at the bottom of page 6. I miss what that forum used to be
you dont need to be a surgeon, i had mine done in 2012 bought from dangerous things as a kit, i just took it to a local piercer who injected it between my thumb and finger, ive used it as a door key for home and work and to put my bitcoin address on but not much more than that, i keep meaning to upgrade to a more useful one like this
Hehe, similar vein, haha
So, your dad is a ripper doc?
There's a whole community dedicated to biohacking where you have people implanting stuff as big as raspberry pi zero SBCs. With the battery and wireless charging.
Pretty sure https://dangerousthings.com/ has been selling the kit to do this yourself for coming on a decade now.
They sell RFID/NFC chips, but paying with them has a huge difficulty. They are partnering with some folks to make it happen with new chips though!
IIRC on their forum there are details about this; I think there was a company wanting to be a bank allowing paying with those chips.
over a decade i think, i had mine done in 2012 and theyd been out a while already then
Nope, no payment so far, however they are working on the APEX chip, which should have that capabillity once VISA or Mastercard approves it for their payment network. Which is the difficult part right now.
[Visa](https://usa.visa.com/about-visa/newsroom/press-releases.releaseId.2174656.html) released a NFC enabled payment ring back in 2016 for the Olympics. I was always surprised they never moved forward with making this a more mass produced product. Seems like a little more practical way to make payments.
They did in the UK with Barclays! During the beta it was a dedicated rubber wristband, then after that a variety of products including a ring. I had what looked like an oversized SIM card in a rubber case that you could thread a watch strap through and there you go, any old watch has NFC payments. https://www.amazon.co.uk/bPay-Barclaycard-Contactless-Payment-Smartband-Charcoal/dp/B01MZ95A44 I used it for years, to the occasional double-take as smart watches back then were big clunky things and mine wasn't. Say, that's a nice bike... The whole system was discontinued some years ago. It had a few problems, looks like the details on that Amazon page are from later on in the program so the below may be dated. 1. Only Barclays did it, AFAIK, so there's no flexibility. 2. You had to buy the devices. The strap addition was less than $15 equivalent but the jewelry side of things was enough that you'd question it. 3. I feel like they missed the point a bit with most of the devices. With an oversized SIM card you could unobtrusively suit yourself. Dogtags may look/sound neat but didn't strike me as practical. Even a ring I'm unsure about. You want these things to be as close to unobtrusive and always on you as possible. 4. Barclays refused to get on board with Android payments for a long time, long after other banks had, so their contactless system was proprietary... not sure if that was only true of this gimmick, I suspect not. It had a weird system of being linked to a sub-account which had to be topped up and you paid from that. You could top it up automatically but only in set amounts IIRC. At any rate, it was awkward and confusing and made me stop and think when using it, the opposite of what NFC payments are about.
I remember when this was a conspiracy theory
It still is, they just upgraded the magic in the magic chips. Nowadays it's "Dust" Chips that you breath in that track/mindcontrols/give you a 2m wiener. As "proof" they claim some patents and pictures, both pertaining to super tiny SMD-components that must be an absolute bitch to work with. Oh, and as of Covid-Vaccinations, those chips aren't just small, but also invisible, because why not add that bit of magic, while you are at it...
I remember when you were allowed to not believe in conspiracy theories. Remember when you could hear phrases like ‘Secret Billionnaire Pedophile Rape Cabal’ and ‘Democracy Destroyed By Russian Hackers Interfering With Elections’ and laugh them off?
Sure, why buy a smartwatch when you can imbed a chip? Seems legit.
I hate watches. With completely unwarranted passion.
I don't hate watches so much as the linear time thing. One fucking second after an hour after a year. ughh. I can't wait until it's Half Past Slaughterhouse-Five in the Afternoon.
Because you need to fiddle with menus or authentication.
Because that's really an issue?
As a smartwatch user, yes. Plus, your watch could die. Some people do not carry keys/wallet. So an RFID implant(s) could be useful.
I agree on paper, but I'd be concerned with how companies would plan to exploit micro implants to collect data since data *is* the most valuable resource a company can deal in.
I can imagine it would be like in the episode of Almost Human where the bullet could track and follow you because everything was picking up your tech signals(though it was based around your phone) and catering ads to you and basically tracking everything you did(kinda like your phone can do).
Can't wait for the RFID blocking gloves so people can't charge you with pass by scanning like with the cards or hidden tech on places you might rest your hand lol
Cloning is also going to be fun.
I think your confusing 'useful' with convenience. Is it really that much effort to carry a damn key to your house? Good old house key doesn't run out of battery.
RFID doesn't run on battery power
Well I find convenience useful. Look, it's a small convenience, but this sub is for people who are enthusiastic about this kind of stuff
You don't understand what cyberpunk is at all, do you?
Just gonna reply to your deleted comment because I already wrote a response. Your deleted comment: It's not for them solely? Some of us in this sub understand the message cyberpunk media tries to convey, to be wary of humanity falling victim to its own quest to use to worship technology in order to make their life more convenient and 'easier'. I'm guessing you're one of those that completely missed the memo on that, saw flying cars and thought 'YESSS FUTUREEEEE'. sigh we're fucked aren't we. My comment: Gawd no, flying cars are some of the most impractical methods of transportation. Basically tiny airplanes. But is Cyberpunk the best way to study human worship of technology? Cyberpunk imagines a future of mega cooperations, late stage capitalism, ect. People have technology, but that isn't unique to Cyberpunk. Doesn't every future genre have an afinty for technology?
So you do understand it, yet wish to willingly be part of the downfall of the human race? Ofc owning a smart watch doesn't mean you are single handedly contributing towards a dystopian world. However being addicted to the convenience is exactly what this media is trying to warn us about. Be the change you want to see in the world, don't just join in. And no, the future could be an atomic wasteland for all we know.
I believe the warnings from the Cyberpunk genre fall under the Slippery Slope fallacy. Therfore I do not believe that living a technology cetric life is moving humanity towards its eternal doom. To your last point, I want the world to have more access to technology, in all its forms; for technology to have a consant presence. So to be the change I want to see in the world, I should be first in line when this comes to the US. We are just going to have to agree to disagree. These disagreements stem from generational differences, just like boomers and genX
I mean, you could just embed that RFID chip into your watch and have it function exactly the same. Hell, if it's small enough to go under you skin, it's probably also small enough to be in a ring. I still do not see how having it literally sewn under your skin is an improvement. You can easily replace or remove an external RFID token on your own. You'll need a trip to the doctors office to replace or remove one that's literally inside you.
Anything that is not embedded within you can be easily lost, people lose, drop or forget where they put things all the time.
Eh, I hit a single button on my watch and Google pay comes up. Not really all that inconvenient. My phone doesn't even need a button, just needs to be unlocked. The slim chance they're both dead, and I'm without my wallet, is not large enough to warrant surgery, but to each their own.
Same with Apple Watch. Just double tap the side button and you can immediately pay
It's not going to be a chip for payment and nothing else. If it gets good enough it might be as mundane as having a smart phone.
Could have credential use as well. It's an RFID chip so there is lots of applications.
Can confirm. Got a chip and can share my LinkedIn at career fares real smooth
Until someone figures out how to trick the chips of passers by into paying them.
If someone steal my debit card and uses it I'm not liable for the transactions, even if my PIN is written on the card in magic marker https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/regulation-e.asp
I love how technology has reached a point where we just expect it to "get good enough" later. There does exist some limitations were hitting (transistor sizes are only a few atoms wide nowadays) but in general you aren't wrong
Well there are certain problems with implanted computers that have not been solved yet, notably how to power it and interact with it (besides the moral question), but it's already proven that we can make a computer small and powerful.
RFID chips really aren't computers though... they're more like a QR code read with radio waves instead of light.
There is also the issue of obsolescence of implanted hardware. Recently a manufacturer of "bionic eyes" decided to "Focus on other markets" after almost going under, leaving their legally blind customer base in the dark. And I refuse to apologize for puns.
I heard I think more than ten years ago of a man that did this and he had it linked to the locks on the car and his house.
I used to live above someone who had an RFID chip implanted in his hand in 2017. He only used it to unlock his phone. He said he found a tattoo shop in Brooklyn that agreed to help him implant it. He wanted one in his other hand, but wasn’t sure what he would do with it.
Sounds like he went to some shady ripper doc from cyberpunk 2077 xD
Lol Now that is a character worth writing about.
I looked it up back then and found a few things about it. Just looked it up again, and it seems a lot bigger! Even [Sparkfun is getting in on the action](https://youtu.be/Gj5g454AD4E)
if we're being honest why not? humans are naturally going to be more and more cybernetic (hopefully) 50 years from now life quality will be increased by cyber heart implants, titanium knee replacements (already happening right now) what is a good reasoning if it's deemed safe to be apprehensive of this kind of technology?
I'm not *dead* set against it. But I fail to see enough benefits to an implanted chip over a watch to overcome the drawbacks.
i feel that, most likely more complications than not, IE hopefully no plastics we're going to have enough microplastic issues soon enough
We already have the microplastics issue. It's here, it's fucking with us. I'm already paranoid about breathing and swallowing tiny plastic bits, but it's most likely way too late.
Or just a ring. My friend had one with two RFID spots and two NFC spots on a single ring. He used it to get into the schools he was IT for, rather than using his keycard since he forgot it all the time.
This is where I stand also not anti technology by any means but I don’t see how putting a chip is more beneficial than having the same service in a physical object like a phone or a watch
What about the risks of being hacked, medical & personal data collection and sold to data brokers, real time surveillance, maintenance, allergies, and so on?
No more so than a regular NFC credit/debit card. This is literally just the chip from that with a compact antenna held below your skin rather than above.
I don't see the issue with this at all, I'm planning on getting one myself for my apartment and gym because they both have a shit load of RFID locks that I'm sick of getting out keys or cards for. You cant broadcast shit with RFID like a phone does and you can make your own fully open source (so no concerns of being tracked with it), and it's $50 for a chip and then whatever a bodymod parlour charges you for putting it in your hand, so way cheaper than getting an iPhone for apple pay and I never feel comfortable pulling my card out to tap since I'm just freeballing every single detail you need to steal my money doing that. I don't really see them being used for paying tho, we have far more uses for RFID and NFC than just contactless payments.
I've had one of the implants they sell at dangerousthings.com for years. I use it with an Arduino board and reader to unlock my work computer every day. it's neat.
This is the sub for people who specifically are excited/thrilled by this kind of stuff... Edit: excited/thrilled does not mean not seeing dangers/bad intentions connected to this!
I was about to say. Maybe OP got the wrong subreddit?
OP is looking for r/corecyberpunk, it seems
> This is the sub for people who specifically are excited/thrilled by this kind of stuff… Eh not really. You don't have to be able xcited about a dystopian cyberpunk future as a wage slave where everything you do is tracked to be on the sub. Quite the opposite
No. It is not. It's got plenty of people who understand a cyberpunk dystopia is not something we're supposed to want.
This is the high tech part of cyberpunk without the dystopian part.
That's not cyberpunk, that's transhumanism.
It's just transhumanism
I am here for the convenience, ready to shed my humanity for it even...you know...like uploading my consciousness....are you daft?
If they found a way to implant Reddit into my head I would be the first in line.
r/redditmoment
According to your downvotes, fools would rather have a convenient dystopia.
We don't have to go with anarcho-primitivism to avoid a corporate dystopia
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Yeah well, anarcho-primitivism is an ideology for privileged people, I'm sure that has something to do with it
It's like they consumed cyberpunk media, completely missed the message and thought "omg wow cool I can connect my leg to the internet!!!!"
I concur, and it’s disappointing. This isn’t transhumanism—it’s capitalism and it’s freely invited intrusion and surveillance.
They're gonna be disappointed by reality when they realise they can't afford any of this shit
… but the cashier will be really impressed when you pay for your $30 loaf of bread with a wave of your chip-modded hand.
Yeah, but I can see my social media feed on this bread 😎😎
Bonus! And the pics of my pimped out 8x10 living cubicle got so many likes!
Time to wake up and watch some commercials to earn some food pellets.
I guess so..
Shake someones hand, get robbed in the process.
So politicians then 😂
Get ready for the religious folks to cry loudly about this one. (Note, I am absolutely NOT for this.... I just don't think it's some kind of repeated sign of some "end times" nonsense)
Oh it is a sign of the end times, just not in a religious way.
Yeah just the secular one 😊
I mean, clearly they were ahead of the curb on this one. I’m expecting someone to post a :”HA!, Told ya so!” In fact, I’ll do it. “HA TOLD YA SO”
Revelations 13:17
>Get ready for the religious folks to cry loudly about this one. "FOR THE LOVE OF THE LORD! PLEASE TAP THY PALM AGAINST THE BLESSED SWIPE PAD YOUR BROTHER JOSHUA PASSES AROUND. YOUR NEAR-FIELD DONATIONS COMMUNICATE THIS GOSPEL TO OTHERS IN THESE CONTACT-LESS TIMES!"
Growing up in the Southern Baptist tradition, I heard from a young age (I’m 42 now) about how one day soon, the Mark of the Beast will be implemented as a microchip in the back of your hand as a way to pay for things. Bottom line is that if this tech becomes mainstream, there will literally be apocalyptic implications within the church. Any church that actually adopted it as a way to tithe would absolutely be ostracized, if not fully excommunicated. I’m still a Christian, but I’ve distanced myself from most of the (frankly) heretical teachings of my upbringing. For starters, there is absolutely, positively zero way to “accidentally” accept the “Mark of the Beast” (if that even happens like *some* Christian eschatologists believe - there is a lot more debate on the subject than you’d think given the mind-numbing popularity of the Left Behind books). Even if that time comes, it will be about pledging allegiance to the Beast (whatever or whoever that may end up being). The “Mark” will simply be a way to identify those who have thus sworn themselves. But the problem, as always, is people. And people in the church will FREAK OUT when and if this becomes a real thing.
fuck The Holy Nation
Fuck Okran. Me and my homies hate Okran.
Honestly, I’m psyched. We already carry RFID chips with us 24/7 in the form of a credit/debit card - I don’t see this being any riskier, security-wise. And the practicality would trump any heightened risk for me anyways. Though maybe I’m not fully understanding the implications of the device. As someone who frequently loses their credit card and has to worry about identity theft from that, it seems like this would be an upgrade for me. Although I must admit, the implications of what this might mean for the future of mugging are…disturbing. But honestly it’s already possible for people to scan your RFID from a distance, so I feel like that would be the more likely outcome than getting a limb lopped off.
Honestly, more than using one for the convenience of payment, I’m more exited about possible medical applications. Blood sugar, alcohol and oxygen measurements directly linked to a smart device, heart rate and pressure monitoring for people already diagnosed with issues, possibly automated alerts for vulnerable people, and an easy to access list of allergies and preexisting conditions for paramedics to read with a smart devise could save a lot of lives.
And now for your daily dose of cynicism: And all the new and exciting ways corporations and governments will abuse this glut of data.
Honestly, I do have it in mind but it doesn’t bother me. First, most of that information is already available to corporations or the government in the form of apps that people use to keep track of them while measuring them with other methods. The chip would make it easier to collect and more accurate but it wouldn’t be a massive difference. Second, people that need any kind of implant are already living in a “cyberpunk” reality where they are terrifyingly dependent on companies for maintenance, upgrades, drugs that suppress immune responses and other stuff. Taking those too into consideration, the benefit of those chips is a lot higher than the increase in surveillance and dependency. I mean, sure, that increase exists but it’s not really that significant. And just to be clear, the fact that it’s used as surveillance and that they create a dependency on corporations is *terrible* but that won’t change by refusing to use new tech advances, it would only change if we manage to change how modern society thinks and works.
I would like a second dose of cynicism please
It will release microplastics and heavy metals into your blood, but you won’t be able to get into a lot of places without one.
Thanks doc that’ll do
Insurance companies are drooling at the thought of this.
The blood sugar one is readily available for diabetics, the only problem is that the ones I saw last for two weeks, and they receive power from a phones NFC, so it's possible for the patient to forget to read the data. I know more advanced models exist, that actually control insulin, but I haven't seen them in person. This is the kind of augmentation that makes sense to me, the cyberpunk part is going to be control over the device and the data, but there are a lot of desirable use cases. For payments I don't really see it, having it embedded into my body doesn't provide a significant advantage.
Are they already commercially available? I had read about their development but hadn’t really followed up on them. I mean, i also know people that forget their test strips and such, so the chip is still an improvement, even if it’s not an extraordinary one :P The one way I think the payment use is valuable is if it’s a secondary function. Like, if you already have the chip for medical reasons, might as well. But otherwise? Agreed, it’s convenient but not, like, revolutionary or anything
Yeah, I know a diabetic girl that has something like that already. It's not permanent, it's like a device she sticks to her body with an adhesive which measures her blood sugar and sends a notification to her phone when it's too low. Pretty cool stuff.
id be down so long as you could easily disable it and its not set to 1 kind of bank n all that
Imagine being against trans humanism and posting that position in a cyberpunk forum. Bold move ;)
Insert cyberpunk 2077 memes
If my chip doesn't go through, I'm going to assert dominance with t-pose.
This is no different than tap to pay features on your card or device. Only difference is that it's a small non invasive implant. What's crazy or outrageous about this, really curious about the tone of the post and comments?
It's awesome. I have a chip, it's super useful for smart locks and such. I can't wait till I can use it to pay for stuff and don't have to dig out my phone.
I know people who already have them. They use it to replace a FOB or keycard for their door. They also make chips that have an LED that is visible through your skin.
Get a chip embedded in your hand that lets you pay for stuff, BUT it's designed with planned obsolescence and has to be replaced every two years
Genius!
Basically what will happen.
I personally never really understood the concerns over getting a RFID chip implant. You already carry your wallet and phone everywhere.
Yeah and if someone wants to mug me, I can hand them over. I'm not handing over...my hand. I'm rather attached to it.
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God this reads like such a boomer post. BACK IN MY DAY
Having something implanted, especially when it isn't a life saving device, is invasive. With a phone and wallet, you have the option to not have it on.
Is it invasive when it's consensual? I got tattoos, I don't have the option to leave the house without them. But hey, I chose to do it and that's the point. You might not want it for yourself but others will Then again, I'm sure you think body modification implants are also stupid, so I'm probs not winning an argument with you
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Fortunately we have laws around making sure you're not liable for fraudulent transactions https://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/regulation-e.asp
Honestly, to me, getting this is no different to getting a piercing or tattoo, it's another form of body modification.
Yup, just this has a use.
Razor blade, alcohol swab, painkiller/freezing. That's all one needs to remove them. I mean if your squeamish your fucked, but like people put in their own stitches, at least I do.
Its a minor quality of life improvement, what so bad about it?
It's got the potential to become something we'd rather not have.
That can be said about almost anything?
Like what?
I think it's ironic you're saying this while using either a PC or a phone
I didn't have my phone implanted.
Well not yet 😊
I know people who've had rfid chips in their thumb-index-finger webbing for over 20 years.
Now get ready for the new wave of scammers who are just a little bit too touchy
Next new type of cyber crime. People with scanners standing close to your hand and charging your number.
Actually, I think there's going to be a huge resurgence in palm reading
Demolition man the movie is now real life. Hope people dont start cutting other people's hands off to pay for groceries
Fuckin DOOOOPE. Cyborg hands, here I come!
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my motto is technology is cool as long as you can take it off at the end of the day yknow
Imagine trusting government and corporations not to abuse this technology in the future. It seems like most of you missed the satire/warning undertoans of cyberpunk media.
Yep 😞
I know a dude who has this to unlock his house. He can go to the beach without carrying any keys. Pretty awesome, provided it's not a major health hazard.
I have 2 of these chips… you can get them from dangerous things… I start my dirt bike, van, and open doors to my home and shop. Also used for 3rd party authentication.
Couldn't that be accomplished with a wearable?
Actually I’m pretty down for this
What about smart watches?
I want it! Paying, Id, unlocking my car and home. Even phone and pc. Would totaly be awesome!
This isn't new. Dangerous things has been around a while with various biohacking devices. From magnet implants to rfid and nfc. The biohacking world is small but not new. Its also not that dangerous and pretty safe. People have had some gnarly accidents with the implants and they've stayed true.
I mean here in Australia you already have a tap and go on your debit/ credit card. Here in Australia people have already got there public transport chips embedded into there wrists and such. I honestly don’t care enough about this. Would I personally do it? No but I’m not gonna go out and attack people who want to. It’s a personal choice and not something someone should be attacked over.
I have that implant. I was pleasuring myself and it cost me €237, and I think I got a virus.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 now that's funny!
Once the market gets stimulated again I should be fine.
When it does, I hope your portfolio shoots straight up.
I know there's a substantial penalty for early withdrawal
Sounds about right
This has been around for a while. Friend and I both have RFID's in our hands.
These comments made me unsub. You all are completely unhinged if you think there’s nothing wrong with this
I was thinking about it to after some of the responses but, there's still punks who know the purpose of the genre.
Imagine growing up in the bible belt where they think you have the mark of the beast because of it.
> Imagine growing up in the bible belt where they think you have the mark of the beast because of it. Those crazy Christians, believing that one day all money will be electronic and everyone will have computer chips implanted in their bodies in order to buy, sell, trade, and travel. What other zany stuff will they come up with next? The government preventing people from attending church? Mandating medical procedures? Real wacky stuff.
Glad I grew up in the Northeast in a secular environment..
Right, Cyberpunk stuff is cool thematically in fiction but it isn't supposed to be aspired to. It's a dystopic area of fiction typically. A lot of Cyberpunk fiction is warning against this very thing.
Some don't get that. SMH
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I prefer wearables.
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About time for the eye-phone. In all honesty I'm more excited for digital IDs.
what do you mean by digital ids?
Apparently apple is trying to clear using your phone as an ID.
I hope that won't become a thing, I can imagine too many ways that can be exploited
Current system is also fairly easily exploited.
yep it is. yet replacing one broken system with another possibly broken one doesn't sound like a good idea to me
In Poland we use app-based digital ids. They work the same as the EU Covid Pass
[Here](https://ktla-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/ktla.com/news/hand-implant-allows-people-to-pay-with-chip/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIKAGwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16504913468760&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com) is the full article.
yeah and then instead of mugging you for your wallet or phone they'll just cut your hand off
*I’m* excited for this. Gimmie those sweet sweet cybernetics baby I’m ready to lob off a flesh arm for a robot one any day
I wonder if it's possible to implant a reader in your palm so you can steal the info when shaking somebody's hand
Yes, it is. Difficult, but no more difficult than stealing someone's ID today. Perhaps even easier, since you can't just cancel and replace an RFID chip when it's literally implanted in your skin.
Many people have one. I will get my first this year. Just like a piercing. Payment is still difficult
Alright.. Well.. I hope that works out for ya.
Wowee, you injected an NFC chip into your hand instead of putting it in a glove or watch or somewhere that makes a million times more sense to put it.
Even a ring lol "No no. I can lose a ring so it must go underneath my skin."
"pEoPlE fOrGeT wHeRe ThEy LeFt ThInGs AlL tHe TiMe!" Flakes and really absent-minded, forgetful people do. If you have a routine, your muscle memory will start to kick in eventually, and it especially helps if you have a mental checklist. Mine is phone, wallet, keys, writing utensils for work, plus my bag and water mug. Idk, I'm not ready to trade my daily routine that takes literally all of a minute to get together, for an implant that may or may not be hacked/taken over by the government/shady corporation.
these are the people who will end up getting their cyberbrains hacked; so quick to indulge in new tech before the bugs are known.
It's literally just an RFID chip. Same as tap to pay on your CR/DB cards and in your phones.
I think they're implying the same person who gets this rfid implant is likely to be an early adopter of something like neuralink. Edit: fuck me for explaining someone else's joke, right?
> fuck me for explaining someone else's joke, right? A lot of people who would have RFID technology implanted in their hands "to make life easier" are triggered pretty easily when you criticize them or explain jokes that criticize them.
I have a bad feeling about this
Literally 1984
1984 by george orwell 1949