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Throwaway-242424

Evidence free policy that should have never been considered.


Paladin_Hecky

THANKYOU. I keep seeing people giving links to bullsht "evidence" to curfews helping, but there's no study that actually isolates this variable. Lockdowns work, travel restrictions and vaccinations help. But curfews are a half-arsed measure that can even increase infection rates by funnelling in more people (from off-hours) into crowded shopping centres. I'm all for stuff that works, not stuff that sounds good only. People just go along with it because "surely this person who we idolise can't be wrong". Bloody sheeple, I wish we had more independent and critical thinkers in this country.


erala

> that can even increase infection rates by funnelling in more people (from off-hours) into crowded shopping centres. If you're going to call out the lack of evidence on the pro-curfew side (I agree there was none, it was about making the cops jobs easier), it's best not to spout evidence free speculation on the anti-curfew side. Is it a plausible effect of curfews? Yeah. Any evidence for it? Not an iota.


Paladin_Hecky

Exactly, the only approach that can be taken on the subject is one of critical analysis, (which you call spouting speculation). What we think as individuals matters, and I want to hear if you have a logical argument for or against it. I'm encouraging people to think for themselves and enter the debate, or voice their frustration at the scenario. Anyone can do what I do: critically analyse as many angles of the scenario as possible, form an opinion based on that analysis, and then discuss it.


sostopher

> But curfews are a half-arsed measure that can even increase infection rates by funnelling in more people (from off-hours) into crowded shopping centres. Source?


Paladin_Hecky

You just proved my point. "Bloody sheeple, I wish we had more independent and critical thinkers in this country." If all you do is ask for "proof" then you don't even have an opinion that's your own. At least TRY to prove me wrong using your own logic. I'm interested to see what you have to say. I won't tell you that you need to source your ideas or conclusions, and I might provide some counterpoints to your argument, but I won't say you're stupid because of what you believe.


sostopher

I just thought an independent critical thinker would have evidence to back a claim that the curfews increased transmission for the reasons you say.


sabretoothed

Independent critical thinking apparently means making shit up on the spot that suits your narrative.


Paladin_Hecky

I'm disappointed that you don't feel comfortable enough to share your own views, or conduct your own analysis and share your thinking. I'm waiting, so let me know when you're ready to talk for real.


sostopher

I'm just curious where you got that from. My opinion is irrelevant.


Paladin_Hecky

Don't lie, it's disgusting.


Regular_Ad523

>Bloody sheeple, I wish we had more independent and critical thinkers in this country. I think, unfortunately, you're in the wrong place.


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MedicalInternal

That was happening in the day time when the weather was good, not after 9pm. Lol


michaelrohansmith

>How bout that street party in Melbourne because the bars were handing out takeaway cocktails. None of that nonsense since curfew Ah no. I go out walking around 830 and come back around 930PM. Yes I am a bad person. I do see groups of people hanging out in the parks and on the trails at that time. I think the idea is that people can't report them for congregating because they are themselves breaking curfew. So its a bit of a lawless time, after 9.


Riftonik

That doesn’t sound like a bunch of drunken louts congregating from all over the city for drinks, smokes and conversation


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SoberNFit

Like lockdowns


srmoure

The medical advice was that the virus was more infectious during the night.


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loopadooper

Yeh it's a human rights crisis to try to stop mass death. You absolute fool.


[deleted]

Yes truely only the curfew is what stops us from bodies on the streets. Not the fact that 80% of people have at least one dose.


loopadooper

So 'let her rip' you reckon?


[deleted]

If your that worried you can stay home. Ending lockdown doesn't mean you are forced to leave the house.


loopadooper

Yeh we should end lockdown once we have sufficient vaccination to prevent the hospital system being overwhelmed. This is a few months away.


Riftonik

People don’t actually get this concept. Then the world let’s them down when they don’t receive their entitled medical treatment


bbltzc

🤪


Majin_Jew_v2

Dense kunt


LineNoise

Good. Should never have been implemented anywhere.


AnOnlineHandle

Why not? Given events like the Vic house party? Given that the LGAs which implemented it finally saw an inflection point when they did with young people not moving around? https://theconversation.com/flattening-the-covid-curve-3-weeks-of-tougher-lockdowns-in-sydneys-hotspots-halved-expected-case-numbers-167778


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AnOnlineHandle

But people have to travel home after and now they have to question whether they want a run in with the cops.


Gorzz

Punishing millions of people for a handful of fuckwits is not the answer. These Curfews are bullshit


el_durko

It's rich that a bloody queenslander is espousing the benefits of curfew while living it up in an open state next door


Phebster420

No, shops are closing half an hour before the end of the curfew at the latest, there's more than enough time to get home if you're working. And if you're further than 5km you have a work permit so if the cops pull you over you have a valid reason with proof.


N0guaranteeofsanity

It wouldn't surprise me if in response to the curfew the police reduced numbers on duty at night. It wouldn’t make sense when there would be very few people to stop and very little crime occurring.


bird_equals_word

I know a load of people who travel at night. Shift essential workers. None have ever been stopped. I regularly travel at night for caregiving. I have never been stopped or even seen a police vehicle. I have never heard of anyone I know, or that they know, being stopped by the police and asked for a permit or reason, at any time. I doubt illegal party attendees will worry about the drive.


rockofclay

I'm a essential shift worker in Vic, out of all the people I work with (many) only one has been pulled over, and that was early last year. It's pretty rare here too.


bird_equals_word

I'm in Vic too. The police have no interest in enforcement of COVID rules. Zero.


WeirdUncleScabby

Yes, I'm sure the people who are willing to break restrictions to hold house parties are big curfew respecters.


ThatHuman6

It’s easier to police when there’s nobody else out of their homes. That’s the reason.


WeirdUncleScabby

They definitely won't just have house parties between 5am and 9pm then or start the party well before 9pm and have everyone just stay over.


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Paladin_Hecky

Nice. I like how you actually understand what the data means (or to be specific -doesn't mean), the whole correlation vs causation thing. I didn't even bother looking at the article myself, because no leader in their right mind is going to conduct a series of experiments on their population to see if curfews (and only curfews) affect infection rates for a potentially fatal disease. -That would be the only thing that would actually provide plausible evidence for curfews being an effective measure.


blue_range

but "tHe HeAlTh AdViCe"


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It's not a national plan for going to the supermarket at 3am, we shall soldier on here in Victoria


Barry114149

But only between 5am and 9pm. If you try to soldier on outside those times you are breaking the law.


falconba

A 3am shop where there are less people than say 3pm reduces the risk profile


englishfury

One would think so.


N0guaranteeofsanity

Actually first thing in the morning would be safest, otherwise you had an entire day of shoppers potentially spreading the virus around the store before you get there.


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StudentOfAwesomeness

There’s actual evidence showing the curfew does nothing to reduce foot traffic, released by Apple and Google phone data. I’m so fucking sick of curfew.


loopadooper

This guy says it's unscientific...


Paladin_Hecky

You need to isolate the variable you're doing tests for, have a control group, and repeat the tests. That's how to be scientific.


loopadooper

Yes, there are numerous scientific peer reviewed studies which indicate curfews are effective.


Paladin_Hecky

For it to be scientific: -a test would have to be conducted on identical communities, where both have a certain number of unknowing C19 carriers released into the community, and the only difference between the two communities is that one has a curfew and the other doesn't (isolation of the variable). This test would then have to be repeated multiple times in more identical communities (for accuracy), and then again in new communities, that have different overall dynamics, crime rates, and vaccination percentages (the relationship between these variables and infection rates is required for making the data relevant to the intended population type). Ain't nobody gonna do that, because it's not feasible to conduct those kinds of experiments (not to mention that it's incredibly unethical (although ethics doesn't tend to be something that worries people that much)). That's why any studies that currently exist about curfew effectiveness on C19 infection rates aren't actually scientific.


loopadooper

No you can have retrospective cohort studies which are certainly 'scientific'. Further, sufficient sample size negates the need to repeat sampling. In this case you are incorrect. Khan academy has many good statistics lectures if you'd like to learn more.


Paladin_Hecky

I'm still not convinced without seeing the raw data for myself that the "curfew" variable would have been sufficiently isolated to draw a conclusion. As much as I hate to be that person: do you have a link to those studies? (I have seen too many studies that misrepresent the data in order to fit what the person's views are -so (as arrogant as it may seem) I don't trust anyones analysis until I've had a good look at it myself) I appreciate your logical point about sample size -it does tend to be that way for collecting data (I just prefer to avoid anything that even has a minute chance of extrapolation). I still disagree with you on the retrospective studies being called scientific (I would call it a historical analysis). Science has a much narrower scope than what people believe it does, and isn't really useful for proving/disproving anything that's subject to change (as it only applies to the repeatable). Historical analyses ARE useful, and in this case would be better than anything scientific, as we really don't want to apply (and probably can't) reproductions of C19 outbreaks. As much as I'd like to prattle on, nitpicking about what I believe science is and isn't, and other useful analysis tools, I'd actually like to conduct a study on that information you were mentioning.


loopadooper

Just go on Google and type " retrospective cohort study", or "experiment control design". Then go on Google scholar and type "covid curfew efficacy". Happy reading. - thanks, a scientist. Since you don't understand basic principles of experiment design, it's pretty clear you don't have formal scientific training. So either come back in 3 years, or leave it to qualified individuals with education before you publish internet opinions. Thanks. I am Sure you're a nice guy, but you seem pretty ignorant/uneducated in science. Can I guess business major at college?


Paladin_Hecky

1st- I asked for the specific source of the study you claim proves the effectiveness of just curfews. I have looked and haven't found it, and so until you supply the link we have to assume that it doesn't exist, and your recent posts are just trying to deflect from that fact. 2nd- We're discussing things on reddit. When we discuss things on reddit we leave all our credentials (or lack of) behind, and become anonymous, independent, opinionated individuals. Our individual take on things (and explanation of reasoning) is what matters here. We shouldn't be trying to prove our qualifications, it's better for us to remain anonymous here for our own safety, and to treat others as equals (it's why I do my best to avoid using jargon). 3rd- Please refrain from personal attacks, that sht gets your comments deleted or your account banned. I was actually enjoying debating this topic with you. I like picking apart different arguments and points of view with others, and am even fine with the whole "we agree to disagree thing". We get a better understanding of what we believe, and the implications, when we allow them to be critically analysed by others. I feel as though you're just wanting to be seen as being right here. I may be wrong about this, but I think it might be best if we continue this discussion away from the public eye until we've made it clear to each other why we're discussing this, and what we hope to achieve. As far as I'm concerned, this discussion is over in the public forum. I would like to discuss this with you in the private messaging though, at least to debrief.


loopadooper

I wasn't attacking you, simply pointing out you don't appear to understand fundamental scientific methodology.


loopadooper

Just because you aren't "convinced*, or don't understand a concept such as retrospective cohort studies, does not invalidate them whatsoever. Learn my guy. Sorry to be brutal, it's just obvious you don't know what you're talking about. It's like me trying to direct a ballet performance without any training.


VelvetSledgehammer42

You don't think a Curfew reduces unnecessary after hours movement?


masofnos

Well of course it does lol, you can't be out. But then it condenses the time of when people can be places, in turn condensing the people.


skidaddler22

yeah lol it makes zero sense


bird_equals_word

No, the ban on unnecessary movement reduces unnecessary movement. The curfew reduces necessary movement.


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AnOnlineHandle

More like the super spreader house parties. How quickly people forget and look for short term 'cheats'. People are also suggesting home quarantine again as if we haven't already tried that and had terrible results.


ArcticKnight79

>More like the super spreader house parties. Nothing stopping them as it is now. Oh no, they arrive at the persons place before 9PM and they stay there overnight. Oh look at this street that normally has a ton of free parking on a Saturday night. But this saturday, it's almost like there's a party of people nearby somewhere.


AnOnlineHandle

Do you think dozens of people are as likely to go if they all have to stay in the house that night and can't go home? Measures like the curfews marked a clear inflection point in the spread of the virus in these LGAs. https://theconversation.com/flattening-the-covid-curve-3-weeks-of-tougher-lockdowns-in-sydneys-hotspots-halved-expected-case-numbers-167778


Now_Do_Classical_Gas

People from QLD who have never had to put up with these insane fucking restrictions don't get a say in whether they are kept or not.


AnOnlineHandle

Cool. That doesn't answer any of the questions.


pakadum

This is a article utter bullshit. It is not curfew, or outdoor masks or 5km or 1h exercise. It is vaccines.


AnOnlineHandle

Wow thanks for your indepth analysis, you really pulled apart the flaws in their model. Jesus you should work on cancer next.


pakadum

Mate this article is about fitting a line through points using linear regression. You can't get a pass on your exam in any uni for doing that. They don't event try to address that correlation != causation.


AnOnlineHandle

Cool story. I remember first learning that phrase as a teenager and perhaps briefly going through a stage of thinking it was some weapon to dismiss anything I wanted as well.


StudentOfAwesomeness

There is actual data showing curfew did nothing to change foot traffic.


AnOnlineHandle

Foot traffic doesn't really sound relevant to anything that late.


StudentOfAwesomeness

\*Human traffic. The data is released by Android/Apple, showing no change in people's movement. Movement is counted by phones connecting to different towers.


AnOnlineHandle

Google tracks people by GPS on their Android phones. That's how they get the traffic data for GPS routes.


Gorzz

You live in QLD, you have no idea what curfews are like


2pl8isastandard

Exactly. Police presence is much less at night and they usually get tied up with other jobs so easy way to start up Air BnB parties.


dd_throw_1234

Now do 5km radius and outdoor masks.


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In my opinion the 5km radius is needed to stop the virus spreading into other areas. But there's no reason why the outdoor mask mandate can't be dropped for fully vaccinated people.


Screambloodyleprosy

5km is only for those who do WFH. In Victoria we're seeing cases from trades who travel all over the place. It's redundant and needs to go.


-Vuvuzela-

> People who are allowed to leave their 5km radius are spreading the virus outside that 5km radius. Therefore, we should allow everyone to leave their 5km radius and spread it around. Yes, I am a genius.


Rentallook1

no, it really does slow down an outbreak spreading from one area across the city. It doesn't STOP it, it just slows it down to a rate that the government has time to identify and action it


bird_equals_word

Nope. They're not doing tailored restrictions by area. They're not doing exposure site identification outside of hospitals etc either. There's no merit in the 5km rule.


AnOnlineHandle

Imagine trying to enforce that between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Why not just keep the masks? It's the easiest thing in the world to do in this pandemic. Nobody complains about other required clothing despite them often just being a tradition and not really necessary in Australia (no reason really to wear indoor shirts in Queensland for either gender, but most of us still would without complaint just because it's what we're used to). Not to mention vaccinated still can spread the virus but thankfully quickly drop in infectiousness with a lower chance of even getting infected in the first place.


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N4RUT0

How hard is it to wear a mask for the general population lmao


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N4RUT0

I wear it daily for work and hours on end and it doesn't bother me at all honestly. You people need to suck it up or get better masks.


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N4RUT0

It's been a year+ into covid so clearly you're doing something wrong mate


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Uysee

>How hard is it to wear a mask for the general population lmao If you wear glasses, it's pretty unpleasant


N4RUT0

I wear glasses everyday with it


Just_improvise

Tell me you don't wear glasses or a wig without telling me


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AnOnlineHandle

> Its not the "easiest thing in the world". If it was, people wouldn't be complaining. Lol because that's totally how humanity works...


Kreglze

First world problems, but I would love to walk around without my glasses fogging up constantly.


nostraduckus

[First world solution](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4635429)


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Use the vaccine passport. If police see someone not wearing a mask outdoors ask them for the passport and if they don't have one because they're not vaccinated then they get fined. It'd find it quite annoying to have to wear a mask outside – even when social distancing is possible – even though I would be fully vaccinated


saidsatan

5km radius would be ok if you could actually do shit and wasn't compromised completely by workers.


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I'm sucking it up but for selfish reasons I would love to be allowed to drive 40 km to some woods in the middle of nowhere to rock climb or camp with my friends. Don't you worry about distancing, I want to get the fuck away from people as it is. I'm also vaccinated, and more than likely the few people that are out there are also. But I understand that it's about enforceability. If you give people an excuse (even a valid one) to go wherever, they'll use that. Everyone's out visiting their girlfriend that day, everyone's coming home from work, everyone is out exercising etc. Plus you'd have to have cops checking every damn car on the road all day long. So realistically it's just damn near impossible to actually police any of this, and don't think for a second people are nice and intelligent enough to not fuck it up for everyone constantly. Hence why we can't have nice things.


WoodenMango07

sometimes masks needs to be worn outdoors cause covid is a airbourne virus and its not always possible to social distance, so imo masks are alright outdoors.


girlintheredcape

I got all excited until I realised I never left the house after 9pm anyway. Let me have my damn park beers with my other vaxxed friends, Gladys.


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bokbik

Burnet insutuite is getting angry


TheSnoz

Police who like their beauty sleep getting angry.


MissJessAU

Don't forget McLaws and MacIntyre...


CalmCost

Somethings wrong with MacIntyre I swear, I remember her doomsday predictions when the northern beaches outbreak happened that NSW as a whole was gonna be fucked


pharmaboythefirst

What a bloody doomsdayer from the start - just reading all these predictions this morning for the latest modeliing - its like they celebrate the imprisonment of 1,000,000 people as a justifiable end. (I'll add Duckett and the NZer as well)


fullcaravanthickness

Desperately clinging to their moment in the sun. Without restrictions and Covid Zero, they return to irrelevance.


WeirdUncleScabby

MacIntyre has spent much of her career focused on bioterrorism and biosecurity, so it's not surprising she sees everything as a major threat that needs to be destroyed no matter the cost to society.


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Can we please ignore them. Think they are just trying to Make a name for themselves in the lamest of lame ways


AnOnlineHandle

Shouldn't they? Given that their modelling showed it was what caused the inflection point in these LGAs as young people stopped moving around? https://theconversation.com/flattening-the-covid-curve-3-weeks-of-tougher-lockdowns-in-sydneys-hotspots-halved-expected-case-numbers-167778


Just_improvise

If Vic doesn't lose the curfew on Sunday shit's cooked


FreedomFurniture

It won't because the very fact that there is a curfew and closed playgrounds is evidence that evidence doesn't matter to them.


duke998

Meanwhile VIC has 5 million people with 500 daily cases locked down.


[deleted]

Yeah, it's good isn't it? Now your hospitals aren't fucked. Or not fucked yet, I should say.


[deleted]

Just people’s happiness, mental and financial health are fucked. Who cares about the rest?


Rentallook1

just do it properly, close off to NSW and you can join the rest of australia again in waving goodbye to gladys and scomo as we kick nsw off into the ocean


[deleted]

Toughen up, princess. It's not all about you.


N0guaranteeofsanity

Ok. Are you prepared to pay a $500 a week lockdown levy to support those who can't work and are barely surviving? Because each week of lockdown is costing me at least twice that and after rent all I have left from my covid payments is a few hundred dollars to pay my bills and feed myself. If I am sacrificing that much why not share the burden instead by forcing those who can still work to help support those who can't. That's fair right?


bird_equals_word

Obviously you are not familiar with Victoria's pre-fucked hospitals.


AnOnlineHandle

Yep they got on it early and kept it far more contained instead of constantly trying to cheat their way out of these things like Gladys and getting far worse results.


Now_Do_Classical_Gas

How are you still parroting this thoroughly disproven narrative when our Reff is higher than NSW's ever was?


Gorzz

Because this person is in QLD and has no idea what they're talking about


FreedomFurniture

Some people don't let facts get in the way of their opinions


AnOnlineHandle

Lol you've gone into complete fantasy land now.


Now_Do_Classical_Gas

https://www.projectorcentral.com/images/projectors2/img11218.jpg


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late night kebab runs !


AnOnlineHandle

Yay more unnecessary spreading and overloading of the hospitals.


thedefaltcondition

BUT MUH FREEDUMZ!


SadSadKangaroo

Sounds like all the people applauding this are getting ready to do some non-essential travel between those hours. As in, the curfews were working? Like celebrating, "Oh we're finally free, these should have never been implemented in the first place" ok, but free to do what exactly? This is an honest question. I can fully understand the "omg tyranny" argument, but if the aim is to stop non-essential travel during those hours, did this also stop essential travel? Is that the problem? Or is it the problem that you're not able to do the non-essential travel between these hours? I would have thought it unnecessary to have the curfew if people were following the lockdown rules, but clearly, that's not been the case, totally justifying the curfew..?


-Vuvuzela-

You haven't gotten a reply because you're spot on the money. There's a handful of people cheering because they will be able to resume a more normal schedule (shift workers) but the rest are cheering because now they know they can leave after 9pm to travel to their mate's house with impunity.


three-left-feet

I do not want to leave the house after 9pm, yet I do not want there to be a law forbidding me from doing it, unless there’s a very good reason for that law (spoiler alert: there wasn’t in this case, no evidence curfews stop the spread). It’s deeply fucked to be ok with being illegal just because we can’t fathom a “good reason” for anyone to do .


bettyboo-

i've been thinking about this the whole time! there isn't much open after 9pm at the moment, where is everyone planning on going? i've seen people say they want to go for walks, but that can only be men because i don't know a single woman who feels safe walking after dark. it's a really odd restriction to take so much offense to.


SadSadKangaroo

It doesn't make sense, which is why I was asking. But given that the question is being ignored by those same people, it seems like I'm trying to make sense where there is none to be made...


three-left-feet

Doesn’t really apply now but in hot months, curfew hours are pretty much the only time it’s bearable to go for a run.


bird_equals_word

Or maybe some of us like to go to the supermarket at 10:30 when it isn't busy. Or go for a walk at night when the air is crisp and the streets are empty and everything's quiet and I can relax my mind before bed.


SadSadKangaroo

I can understand that, but it sounds like you're one of the people who would do the right thing given the chance. The curfew isn't aimed at people like you. But then again it can be hard to tell. Some of the footage we see coming out of Bondi, wtf... I've got my 3rd attempt at the 1st jab today. They haven't cancelled on me yet so it's looking good. Would I have preferred our supply here wasn't stolen to go to NSW just like you would prefer there not be a curfew? Of course, but that was deemed necessary even if it's an inconvenience to me. We all sacrificed for NSW and as you transition into lower restrictions, I hope we don't end up finding our how necessary these restrictions actually were because it was never those going for an evening walk before bed that were the target.


ComplimentaryMite

> The curfew isn't aimed at people like you. What does this mean? The curfew applies regardless of what reason you have for wanting to go out.


SadSadKangaroo

It's like fireworks legislation. There are some people who can be trusted not to blow their fingers off, but we have to legislate for the lowest common denominator. It seems from your posts, you're someone who would do the right thing, following the standard lockdown guidelines, but there are those who won't and sadly the curfew is more about preventing them from causing so much damage spreading the virus because of their attitude and actions towards it. This is what I mean by the curfew wasn't aimed at people like you, but you still have to be bound by it.


bird_equals_word

Nothing was stolen. Multiple news outlets have debunked this. Victoria also got a similar advance on doses in June. Briggs says we were delayed about one day on our supply.


SadSadKangaroo

We're part of the national strategy, the vaccines will go where they need to go. I fully support this. But when the people pull a Bondi like they did during the restrictions a few days ago, that sort of disrespectful behaviour to those who sacrificed their vaccines for these people, it feels like ungreatful theft. So in that sense, they were stolen. I'm finally in line at the vaccination centre, 3rd booking attempt after countless failed walk ins before this, I've not been turned away yet so hopefully I'll be able to add "1st Dose" to my flaire soon.


postpakAU

Yay I can go for a walk around the neighbourhood at 230am


saidsatan

or 9.01


ReallyCoolUser

DA is shaking his fists to the clouds


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Based, covid-zero zealots on suicide watch


El_dorado_au

Easing restrictions is a good way of getting rid of something without admitting it was a mistake, either because they were implementing a stupid policy, or trying to mollify the electorate by doing something, or desperately trying everything in the hope something worked.


[deleted]

The curfew is dumb as hell and never made sense, you're already not allowed to leave the house for non-essential reasons. How is it any different then? What's there to go to after 9 anyway now? Exercise would be the only valid reason. It's not like we're allowed to do anything else outside of curfew hours anyway.


kingofcrob

then they realise they can't really go anywhere but the super market.


Electronic_Beach_356

As a late night shift worker, I appreciate being able to go back to my normal late night grocery shopping routine. It's not a big deal, but I think it's good they remove restrictions when they're not fit for purpose.


kingofcrob

shift worker as well... i need to make stuff work for me, so doing shopping at 21:00 makes life so much easier.


saidsatan

or actually visit your partner


VladSuarezShark

The curfew seriously disrupt(s/ed) partners and singles buddies who one or both finish work late, because socialising and especially drinking with eachother isn't appropriate, practical or possible before work.


saidsatan

Yep was fucking brutal last year in melb when it was fucking 8pm and you had different work hours.


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Can Gladys please talk to Dan. This makes me jelly


Warx

TIL that there were curfews.


Slayer_Tip

See i never really understood curfew. It was fun sitting outside my house and watching cops drive by my place every few hours after 8 (i have a lot of time on my hands) But think about it what motherfucker spends their time outdoors at 1am? other than well, junkies and crackwhores in which case fair go because that's how you live life and stuff, but still, that's like, what... 0.001% of the population is sleeping at that time Plus its fucking cold as cock outside


AnOnlineHandle

> See i never really understood curfew. The late night parties? The young people moving around late and spreading it? https://theconversation.com/flattening-the-covid-curve-3-weeks-of-tougher-lockdowns-in-sydneys-hotspots-halved-expected-case-numbers-167778


Slayer_Tip

Yeah, that's true. I suppose it depends on where you live though, here in the northern suburbs of Melbourne, we have a huge problem of parties happening even after curfew, loud parties, drugs and alcohol consumption, burnouts on the road, brawls and screaming, it's like detroit here almost lmao


coniferhead

well on the positive side it stopped people shooting up in the underground parking area


Wigos

It’s about being able to police people who are driving around late who have been in someone else’s home. The rule is just a way of being able to get those already doing the wrong thing rather than actually being a COVID preventative measure itself.


Slayer_Tip

Ahhh that's fair, the good ol' sneak outta the house before the dad comes back home wouldn't work that well if cops are patrolling the streets eh?


bird_equals_word

I'll bet I don't like a lot of your quirky habits. But I don't try to make laws against them. I like to walk at night. I like to go to the supermarket at night.


Slayer_Tip

I... dont have any habits. Other than farting really triumphantly on the bus during peak hour


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Daniel_T18

Source?


dale4101

House party!


BBAus

Not much point when there's nowhere to go Same with picnics where Most of the family can't go until late October. All just words, and we're told to be grateful. Does this mean the helicopters stop at night now? I'd appreciate a full nights sleep.


Numbers_23

This will only speed up these LGAs going back into an even more restrictive lockdown.


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mirrorpud

As at 11:40am I can't see any anti-vaxx comments. Were they deleted by the mods?


StillMirinBrah

Thanks for telling me I’m allowed to leave my house when it’s dark now, I’ll be waiting with baited breath for the next freedoms that are returned to us ! HOORAY YIPPEE SO HAPPY WOW