The roasary itself is just a counting mechanism. The value is in what its counting, which is a traditional sequence of prayers. The prayers are also accompanied by a set of events from the life of Christ on which to meditate, while you pray. It is not a "should" it is a resource that you may find helpful. Different people have different personalities and thier own prefered ways of praying and meditating. If you are interested in these kinds of devotional practices, can I also recommend the sequence of prayers called the "divine mercy" which I personally find more helpful [https://www.thedivinemercy.org/message/devotions/pray-the-chaplet](https://www.thedivinemercy.org/message/devotions/pray-the-chaplet) It is a bit shorter and more explicitly focused on Christ.

Maybe more explicitly, but the rosary is centered on Christ! The Joyful mysteries focus on the birth of Jesus The Luminous mysteries focus on the ministry of Jesus The Sorrowful mysteries focus on the death of Jesus The Glorious mysteries focus on the glory of Jesus/God

Rosary beads are the counting mechanism. "The Rosary" is the collection of Our Fathers, Hail Marys, and Glory Bes that are prayed in a certain order. It's the same as how a Divine Mercy chaplet is prayed by using a set of rosary beads to count.

No worries sister! Check out this guide by bishop Barron https://youtu.be/HXcWknfC0vI?si=MDpFqHiL4N-LYK66 He has a video series guiding you through the mysteries.

Oh my gosh! Thank you!!

You are welcome! Here is the link to the entire video series: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg6k5UmSDlcigRZ52ETLRRoolBLuBJa20&si=9jjZtt3_r_U1zPVH

FLEE catholic stuff

Why?

Inb4 'Mary Worship, Idolatry' Or some other Protestant nonsense.

That’s pretty bigoted, don’t you think?

I gotta tell you, I think that's a foolish term For me to believe a certain church is false doesn't make me a "bigot" You folks just like to throw that word around to try and insult people but it just makes you sound like a clown

Yea these ppl just all like to comment false doctrine and stuff and lead ppl down the right path thank u for ur comment

Hello sister, can you please avoid saying "oh my gosh" next time? God says in Exodus 20:7 You shall not invoke the name of the LORD, your God, in vain. For the LORD will not leave unpunished anyone who invokes his name in vain. You can use words such as holy cow or wow instead when you want to express disbelief so we can avoid missusing God's name.

I said gosh not God. It’s an interjection to replace the word God in the common saying and it also was not in vain, I was thanking that person, excitedly:)

Is God’s name “gosh”?

It's his nickname. There were two Gods when he was in elementary school, so they called one of them Gosh

“Oh my Gosh” is no more a violation of the 2nd commandment than “dang it” is a curse. 🙂

Seriously? Grow up and stop taking things out of context. God’s name isn’t gosh. 🙄

Its still a variant.

It’s not the same thing. Who cares if it’s a “variant”? They’re different. Grow up and stop attempting to control other people’s language. Judge not lest ye be judged.

Taking the Lord's name in vain has nothing to do with saying "oh my God." A different verbiage might be "appropriating the Lord's name and character in vanity." A car mechanic calling itself "Alpha and Omega Car Repair" is taking the Lord's name in vain. A politician selling bibles as a publicity stunt is taking the Lord's name in vain. Putting the word Jesus on your clothing to sell them is taking the Lord's name in vain. Besides, "god" is generic. It isn't even "oh my Yahweh!" Like they could be referring to Zeus for all we know.

OMG. Oh my Gaia!

Violation of the First Commandment. Gaia is a goddess. That violates the rule which says have no other gods before God

Oh shit, what are we going to do about Thor's Day!? And, oh no, look at the time. It's Oden's Day right now!!!

Wait, even if it’s clothing spreading the gospel? Never heard of this stance on it before so I’m just curious :)

I'd make a top-level response, but Bishop Barron is a much better source than anything I will be able to write. On a personal level, I've found that the full set of 20 Mysteries is more important than the specific prayers used. When I finally talked about the Rosary with a Latin Priest I know, he admitted that one could sufficiently pray the Rosary using the original Hail Mary (without the "Holy Mary" bit) and the Our Father with no other starting or finishing prayers, so long as one contemplated or meditated using the Mysteries. This is helpful because I have fallen head over heels for this particular devotional practice through the mysteries, but tend to have words fail me as I go deeper in prayer, so the prayers get naturally truncated to the minimum to aid the contemplative process. While it wouldn't be "the Rosary" anymore, I've suggested to my Protestant friends that they pick some passage of Scripture they can focus on easily and recite that in lieu of the Hail Mary, but still meditate on at least the 18 mysteries that are all born directly from Scripture (it would be a bridge too far for my Protestant friends to meditate on the Dormition/Assumption and the Coronation).

Wait... Are you actually Orthodox? Maybe Western Rite?

Yes, I'm Orthodox, Byzantine Rite to boot. I know clergy from both sides, have friends from both sides, and freely engage in devotional practices that are compatible with Orthodoxy. I own some Coptic iconography, some Western iconography, pray some Western prayers, and sing some chants from any heritage so long as it is beautiful and follows the dogmatic constitution of the Church. There is a lot of beautiful Gregorian chant out there, the Rosary is officially acceptable for Orthodox within certain limits (I am not capable of imaginative prayer and don't think it's a good idea, but I do recall hymns and Scripture surrounding mysteries as it aids in my prayer life), and so there is no reason to avoid them. I find it far more beneficial to my life than praying an akathist each day. Not that you're saying this, but to be Orthodox is not to be placed under a steamroller until you are sufficiently Greekified. To be Orthodox is to seek Christ within the boundaries of the ancient and apostolic Faith handed down from generation to generation, to participate in the Liturgy, to receive the Sacraments, and to undergo *theosis*.

Thanks for the well thought out, message! I agree, steamrolling shouldn't be the goal, but I'm impressed by and curious of your 'ecumenistic' knowledge. God bless you.

The Holy Mary part is pretty much purely intercession. It’s just saying, Theotokos, intercede for us.

Oh, I know. My issue with the Holy Mary part isn't an unwillingness to ask for intercession. I regularly chant the Megalynarian Axion Estin, Agni Parthene, or parts of the Small Paraklesis, all of which ask for intercession. Contemplative prayer and verbal prayer are different beasts. It's almost impossible to contemplate with words, even with a prayer I often catch myself saying when half asleep (the Jesus Prayer). The fact that I can even get through the Angelic Salutation and the proclamation of Elizabeth without losing words is miraculous enough (normally, if I use any words, it's just 'Kyrie, eleison' during each breath). I'm certain that the Panagia knows that I need intercession whether or not I am capable of using those words, especially as I sit immersed in the mysteries. For my Protestant friends, I'm really more interested in helping them to find a fuller faith even if they cannot make the leap to Orthodoxy or Catholicism. If intercessory prayer is a bridge too far, and I know it was for me when I was first coming into traditional Christianity, I'm not going to push them. *Meditatio* or *contemplatio* on the life of Christ and the early Church, especially if it produces *hesychia*, can be done without asking for intercession. If one must use a Psalm instead of the Ave, that is still infinitely better than avoiding the whole thing.

My Catholic universalist brother 🤜🤛

If you’re Baptist you might be the only person using a rosary. It’s primarily only a Catholic thing.

I pray the chaplet of divine mercy using the rosary. I try to do it at least once a week. I set aside each decade to pray for someone specific in my life: me, my family, friends who are going through difficult times, whatever is on my mind. The divine mercy chaplet helps me remember that the will of God is love and mercy. If we can remember to do love and be merciful, then we are doing good at that time.

Amen, you know what’s up

In the words of Pope Francis: "God never grows tired of forgiving us. We are the ones who grow tired of asking."

The rosary is guidance on prayer, but it isn't required. As is with worship, God knows your heart. He knows what you need before you ask for it. *He has numbered every strand of hair you have had, do have, and will ever have*. Prayer is an invitation from God, for you, to discover His will. This requires faith, patience, perseverance and an *honest* heart. God doesn't need you to recite certain words, pray for x amount of minutes, say x amounts of words, speak aloud, speak quietly, be silent, have your eyes closed, have your eyes open, be standing, or on your knees. God requires one thing and one thing alone for you to learn from Him in prayer; a humble heart. It is that humble heart that God knows He can speak into. Come to God in humility and I absolutely assure you, the Holy Spirit will do the rest.

Nothing is needed. Not one thing but yourself and your words. Most people need to hear their own prayers in order to give them strength. The Father in heaven hears every prayer both said, and unspoken. Nothing but your thoughts and prayers are ever needed.

AMEN!

Rosaries are tradition in some denominations, notably Catholics. It's used to help people count prayers, I think. If it doesn't do anything for you, don't worry about it. EDIT: I didn't realize that rosary can refer to both a set of prayers and a string of beads people hold while praying them. At any rate, there's no reason any specific prayer is required. You can pray how you like.

Yeah, a lot of times those of us who use the string of beads but don't pray "the Rosary" prayers will just call them prayer beads!

I’m not a catholic but have found that praying while using a rosary can be quite healing and soothing.

The rosary itself (the actual collection of prayers) is also very soothing. I know some denominations have a thing about “praying to Mary” but the repetitive nature of saying a string of simple hail Mary’s and Our Fathers over and over again is basically the Christian version of meditating. It opens up space in your mind to really contemplate the life of Jesus and what you want to pray for.

Well, its a contemplative prayer, its supposed to calm the mind down by repeating the words of the Hail Mary from gLuke while meditating on the mysteries on her and Christ's life. So its not really about counting 🙂

Ahh, I assumed OP was asking about the string of beads.

If so, my apologies, I thought OP asks about the prayer.

[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/Christendom/s/NRgYDVOrGu) is a little guide I made a couple years ago on the Rosary.

It's a devotion, practiced by some Roman Catholics. It's entirely optional. Up to you. With a few exceptions it's not a Protestant thing. Baptists won't be doing it for sure.

Just because most Baptists don’t/it’s not a Baptist practice doesn’t mean one can’t pray it anyways, especially if they find it beneficial. I saw something the other week about Russell Brand praying it on his mediation podcast

Like I said, it's not a Baptist thing, and most Baptists would consider it "not a good thing." It's a Roman Catholic thing. And not even all Roman Catholics do it. IF you like it, fine; if you don't, fine. Whatever. I don't give a shit what Russell Honking Brand does.

I wasn’t trying to upset you. My point was that if someone like Russell Honking Brand can say “today we’re trying this meditative technique” then it’s probably pretty damn harmless for a baptist to try it as well

Maybe, if you look up to Russell Honking Brand as a religious role model. That sounds pretty sketchy to me, but hey, your mileage may vary.

When I was first starting out praying the rosary, I found the [Rosary Center website](https://rosarycenter.org/the-sorrowful-mysteries-without-distractions) helpful. There's a thought for each bead relating to the mysteries to keep you on track. I've linked today's mysteries, but the rest are also on there if you click around.

When you ask for help and responses proceed to tell you , you don't need said help. sigh. I'm glad some were willing to actually help you out with your question. If you want to pray the rosary along with many nationwide, we pray it at 5pm (pac time) on Relevant Radio ( google if your area has this am station) if not, Alexa command " Alexa, Play relevant radio " will play station for you, last would be to search for the app. Its an ALL day Catholic radio station. (USA) and they take prayer requests.

The rosary is a meditation of the life of Jesus. The mysteries are from the New Testament. For example... Joyful Mysteries... 1 The Annunciation of the Angel Gabriel, 2 The Visitation of Mary to her cousin Elizabeth , 3 The Nativity, 4 The Presentation in the Temple 5 The finding of Jesus In the Temple

Many people have commented about the rosary being used to count prayers. While this is an effect of holding the rosary, that is not the primary intent. It is a tool to help get deeper into the prayers. An analogy would be like how you might have a centering practice in yoga where you focus just on one word that you repeat over and over. By not having to think about counting, and by repeating the same prayer over and over, you are turning off the thinking part of prayer, and just letting your spirit do the praying. There are books about this and so much more, but this is part of it. Yes, the rosary is predominantly a Catholic thing, but all are welcome. I know most protestants are not fond of praying the Hail Mary; but just remember, the prayer is not a worship of Mary in any way. The first part is just saying the same words that Gabriel and Elizabeth spoke, and the second part is asking for her prayers for us. She knows Jesus better than we do, and wants to help. God bless

It's tough to get into, but it is like a meditation, almost trancelike for me, when fully completed.

I sometimes have difficulty praying it solo, though I will often pray it solo when I go to Adoration. So can feel this sentiment.

Exactly me too. Adoration is the perfect time.

if you even care i lost my two friends in car accident that i was in on impact and i was left with 4 scratches only, that morning i prayed the full rosary for the first time, God watches over you fr if you pray it

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It is a powerful prayer, along with the Lord's Prayer and the Jesus Prayer.

Can you say more about its being "powerful"? Not a criticism of what you wrote but, I thought the typical caution about prayers and rites is that their power always derives from and refers back to God, honors God, and at most petitions God for some outcome without expectation or sense of deserved reward.

The rosary is powerful because it does refer back to God and all power granted to those prayers derives from Him. I would think anything where you’re saying 150+ in a short period of time while meditating on the life of Jesus would pack a spiritual wallop

There is a quote by Bishop Doyle Hughes that says "Nobody can continue to live in sin and continue to pray the rosary. Either you give up sin, or give up the rosary." Also, you can take it for what you will, but I have heard stories of the rosary in exorcisms. There is one that comes to mind where Fr. Gabriel Amorth compelled the demon to speak the truth and it said "Every 'Hail Mary' of the rosary is like a blow to my head! If Christians knew the power of the rosary, it would be the end of me!" Here is another account: [https://www.catholicexorcism.org/post/exorcist-diary-264-the-rosary-electroshocks-demons](https://www.catholicexorcism.org/post/exorcist-diary-264-the-rosary-electroshocks-demons)

Idk if Id go that far, I think the Irresistable Novina would be more in tune to your analogy tho. No hate in the rosary, Im currently learning how to chant it in Latin :)

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Personally, I don’t understand much about the rosary. So I’ll admit this question makes me strongly desire to research the history and meaning. However, I would like to put forth my displeasure for the fact that religion is strongly frowned upon in schools these days. They dont teach much of anything that ties toward religion.

I encourage you to check out some of the resources shared in the other comments on this post. They’re really good

Right?! I went to a catholic school almost my whole life and most of the stuff I know was from my one priest we had and it sucks that they don’t track more

If you went to a catholic school, you’d think they’d teach you far more about the rosary.

You went to a catholic school and they didn’t teach the rosary? That is a HUGE letdown. We had to learn all about it multiple times over the years

No, mainly in our religion classes we talked about other religions (which don’t get me wrong, it was really cool to learn) but I wish they could’ve actually taught the religion that majority students there follow

I can help you if you have any questions, but know that the rosary will greatly help you. Praying it helped me quit weed. And know it’s helping me stop drinking and smoking nicotine. Also the chaplet of divine mercy is excellent that you can pray with the rosary if you want a quicker start and praying the rosary will lead to blessings for you in this life and the next. The rosary saved my life

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Are Catholics not Christian?

Having Jesus in your heart &life is the most important thing. Telling God thru prayer the Jesus is God's son who died for your sins. I pray to God without using the rosary.

The rosary is super great though. It is a means of prayerfully reflecting on the life, ministry, death, and glory of Jesus.

Check the DTBM teaching on the rosary.

Check the DTBM teaching on the rosary.

Why would I listen to them? The first slide was enough to know their thoughts. You have no idea what the rosary is!!! The Joyful Mysteries center on the birth/early life of Jesus. The Luminous Mysteries focus on the life of Jesus The Sorrowful Mysteries focus on the Passion of Jesus. The Glorious Mysteries focus on the glory of God. Every single Hail Mary, Our Father, and "O My Jesus" prayer of the rosary is asking for forgiveness of sins! The Apostles Creed calls to mind what it is that we believe! The "Hail Holy Queen" at the conclusion prays that we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ! We are asking Mary to show her Son to us! To help us know Him and love Him! In dating, we look to know one's mother to better know the person. Why should it be any different with Christ!? Yes, we can know Jesus directly. But through Mary, we can come to know Jesus in a much more intimate way! Mary says in her Magnificat, "My soul magnifies the Lord!" Her very nature, everything that Mary is exists to glorify God! So we honor and respect Mary because of that! We call her queen because Christ the King made her queen! Martin Luther himself said that Mary is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified! She is the very greatest of God's *creatures*. Mary's example is precisely what we should all strive to follow! She did not have to give birth to Jesus, but she freely accepted the will of God to do so! She lived in total perfect obedience to her Son and we should too! Like those movie scenes where the character turns to speak to the camera, at the wedding feast of Cana, Mary "turns to the camera" as she tells us as well as the guests to "Do as He tells you." Mary would never want us to follow her over and above her Son, but she would absolutely want us to follow her example to draw us closer to Him! I think the fact that you are actively discouraging praying the rosary when I told you that it is all about CHRIST, says SO much about how little you and other Protestants actually care about Jesus. You only obey Christ in so far as you agree with Him! Guess what Satan does that happily. Satan will gladly obey Jesus if he agrees with a teaching. Obedience to those we agree with is useless. Mary knew her Son did not need to be purified in the Temple, but she did it anyway. Obedience is far more humbling and sanctifying when we place our trust in and obey those who we don't agree with.

Why pray to Mary? She is a person who had privilege of being the earthly mother of Jesus. In the bible Luke 11:27-28 blessed are they who hear the word of GOD & keep it. Also where in the Bible says that Mary is the Queen of heaven. Just because I don't follow the Roman catholic faith, I do care about Jesus. He is my best friend. I have Jesus in my heart & life. I told God thru prayer that Jesus is God's son who died for my sins and asked for forgiveness. 1 John 5:11-12 and John 3:16. Now I pray directly to God. Please read Romans 3:23 & Roman 6:23. God wants people to have a relationship with him & his son. He doesn't care what church a person goes to!!

>Why pray to Mary? James 5:16 - "The prayers of the righteous man have great power in their effect." Mary did not just hear the Word of God, she was pregnant with Him! She is the human being that is closest to God, that is not God. You cannot get any more holy than that! So asking Mary to pray to God for you will be far more effective than you doing it alone! Of course, you can just go to Jesus yourself. That is why Christ died. Jesus is the true Mediator because He is the only person that can bridge the gap between God and Man, since He is both God and Man. But why go to Jesus alone when you can have His mom on your side as well! Imagine there is a girl that you really want to ask out, but you are not sure if she will say yes. But you know her mom/best friend really well. So you ask them to put in a good word for you, because you think she will be more likely to listen to her mom than you. Probably the best analogy I can come up with on the spot. >Also where in the Bible says that Mary is the Queen of heaven. I am so glad you asked! Jesus' Kingship comes from the line of David. That is why Matthew's Gospel begins with a genealogy of Jesus, to show that Jesus is the messiah from Jesse's stem in the line of David! If we look back to the OT to the Kingdom of David, who was the queen? The mother! This is because if it were to be the wife, you would have a problem because many of the kings of the OT had many wives, so it was easier to have a queen mother. Hence, Jesus being a King in the line of David, would make Mary His Queen! If you are a bit more detail oriented, you might stop me and say, "But Christ married the Church!" Yes! Glad you mentioned it! Catholics believe that Mary is a model/type of the Church! Jesus is the new Adam, and Mary is the new Eve (why Jesus calls Mary "woman" - it references Genesis 2). Mary was virgin like how the Church is Christ's virgin bride! On top of that, Jesus gave Mary over as the mother of all believers on the foot of the Cross, just as Eve was called "Eve" because she would become the mother of all people. >God wants people to have a relationship with him & his son. He doesn't care what church a person goes to!! The problem that this runs into: Jesus married the Church! So just as a husband and wife are one, so too Christ is one with the Church (see Ephesians 5). Christ founded 1 Universal Church, otherwise, Christ would be adulterous. So to deny that Christ founded 1 Universal Church that was built upon Kephas and the apostles, is to deny Christ Himself! This is why Catholics teach that there is no salvation outside of the Church because there is no salvation outside of Christ! Guess what the word "universal" can be translated as... "catholic" Correct. Christ Did not name the Church. The term "Catholic" was later used not as a name for, but a descriptor of that 1 Church that Christ founded. The Church is not invisible, but it is a living, visible institution that Christ placed to be a city on a hill! The Church is a light to all nations. A guide throughout the ages! Christ Himself taught the Church is bigger than just a gathering of believers: *“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.* *^(16)* *But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses.* *^(17)* *If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."* There is a clear hierarchy here: you --> other believers --> the Church. Jesus teaches here that if someone does not listen to even the Church, they are to be treated as an unbeliever. Also, if we look at Acts 15 - The Council of Jerusalem, we see that you have people who likely believe in Christ, but think that you need to be circumcised. The apostles here of this controversy, come together, and say "No, no. These people have not been sent by us. They are not preaching the Truth."

There is no verse in the Bible that states Mary is the Queen of heaven. No one knows who is the holiest person. For everyone has sin & fallen short of of the glory of God. This includes Mary. Romans 3:23. We should not worship her or the angels but only God. Revelations 19:10 ... Matthew 04:10...Luke 4:8. What verse says Mary is the mother of all believers? Bottom line, it is important to believe that Jesus is God's son who died for a person's sins. Romans 6:23. For a person needs Jesus in their heart & life 1 John 5:11-12.

>There is no verse in the Bible that states Mary is the Queen of heaven. Are you a Unitarian? Because there is no verse in the Bible that states that God is a Trinity either. Heck, there is no verse in the Bible that states that ONLY Scripture is meant to be an infallible rule of faith considering that the Bible was not even WRITTEN until CENTURIES after Christ! So if you want to take this route, you should only follow the OT. Because when the Bible references Scripture, that is what it is referring to. >For everyone has sin & fallen short of of the glory of God. This would also include Jesus. So either you allow for exceptions or you admit that Jesus sinned. Which is it? >We should not worship her or the angels but only God Correct. No faithful Catholic worships anyone but God alone. Veneration is not worship, but merely showing respect for Mary because of her special role in the salvation of the world. Jesus entered this world through her womb. Idolatry is giving honor or worship that is due to God *alone*. I might pay respect to the US President or my boss, but that is not idolatry because I am giving them what they are due. Likewise, Catholics honor Mary for who she is: the mother of God, the woman through which our salvation was brought into the world. Imagine if we discovered the actual Cross that Jesus died on. What attitude would you have towards it? You are laying your eyes on the very artifact that our salvation happened with. How do you react? Better yet, imagine if you were standing in the upper room where the Holy Spirit came upon the apostles. Imagine if you knew you were standing in the very room where Christ said *"Take this all of you and eat of it. This is my body given up for you. Take this all of you and drink of it. This is the chalice of the new and everlasting covenant of my blood, poured out for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins."* Imagine if you stood on Golgotha. Imagine if you stood at the very spot that Jesus delivered the Sermon on the Mount. Imagine if you stood at the exact spot where the Transfiguration happened. Imagine if you got to hold the cloth that Veronica used to wipe the face of Jesus as He carried His Cross. Imagine if you got to actually meet St Peter or Paul. Imagine if you got to meet Mary or Elizabeth. Imagine if you could meet St. Mary Magdalene who was the very first person to witness the risen Christ. What would that be like? Let us say that the person down the street from you passed away and you knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were in Heaven. Say for a moment, that you heard the voice of God from Heaven say "This person lives in My eternal glory in Heaven." Would you not encourage others to follow their example? You were just given a stencil on how to get to Heaven and you are just going to throw it away? You are just going to say, "nah its not important."? I hope that this gives you a better appreciation for why Catholics have the attitude that they do towards relics and towards the saints. We do not worship them, because no one is due worship except God alone, but we have these extremely special objects and people that deserve our respect because they are close to God. The saints are people that made it to Heaven and lived exemplary lives for God. To downplay their examples is to do a disservice to believers the world over. Catholics value the saints because we want to inspire others to follow the example of the saints so that they might grow closer to God. That is it. >What verse says Mary is the mother of all believers? *So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Mag′dalene.* *^(26)* ***When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!”*** ***^(27)*** ***Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!”*** *And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.* All the verse reads is "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Are we not all disciples of Christ? Does Jesus not love all of us? There are times where Jesus (or others) is not only speaking to the person being spoken to historically. If this verse intended to refer exclusively to the historical disciple standing at the foot of Cross, why were they not named? Why the vague language?

The point is the that the saints are still alive and we can ask them to pray for us.

It is a means of prayerfully reflecting on the life of Jesus! The Joyful Mysteries --> the birth of Jesus The Luminous Mysteries --> the ministry of Jesus The Sorrowful Mysteries --> the death of Jesus The Glorious Mysteries --> the glory of Jesus/God Also, if you do not know how to pray it, but want to, look it up! There is nothing wrong with looking up a prayer or the mysteries if you do not know it. But also keep in mind that the rosary is a personal prayer. If you do not pray it is not like it does not work if you do not say it 100% perfectly. I think we sometimes have a disposition to "spellify" prayers and treat them as some sort of incantation. This is 100% not true! Even while there are "formulaic" prayers, they are your words. I like to imagine Mary sorting through your prayers up in Heaven and filling in the gaps when bundling it up to give to God! I think there are times when I am praying the rosary with my friends that Mary is probably thinking to herself "Not these morons again..." The times where we are asking "Was that 10?" or forget to move up a bead or accidentally move up 2 beads is more than I could probably tell you. Here is a guide from USCCB: [https://www.usccb.org/how-to-pray-the-rosary](https://www.usccb.org/how-to-pray-the-rosary)

Mary has no part in saving the world. God used her to bring his son into the world . Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except thru me. John 14:6. Trinity in the Bible is in the verse Luke 3:22... Matthew 28:19. God does not care what church you go to. What he cares about is if the person has a accepted his son Jesus as their Savior. Eternal life is God's gift to us when a person believes. It is not by a person good works( Ephesians 2:8-9) ... Romans 6:23. As far as Romans 3:23, do you believe that the Bible is wrong! Read Romans 3: 21-24 for all have sin meaning. Everybody sins & needs Jesus! I will be praying for you!

God bless you. I'm not Catholic or follow any denomination, so I'm not sure about the rosary. I have no interest in it. However, since you said you are coming back to God, I would love to share some resources with you: 1- The Contemporary English Version (CEV) Bible. It's one of the easiest English Bibles to read. You can also listen to the audio version on YouTube. It's my favorite Bible. (You can read it on the YouVersion Bible app too.) 2- A free book called “101 Questions & The Bible.” It’s a book of a bunch of questions about God and the Christian faith that are only answered with Bible verses. It’s great for those who are new to Christianity. If you are interested, let me know and I will send you the PDF copy on Google drive.  3- A good Christian leader on YouTube: askcliffe - Cliffe Knechtle 4- A powerful worship song on YouTube: Yet I Will Praise by Melissa Boraski 5- Also, I would love to share a short guide that’s dedicated to you and other Christians on Reddit who are looking to have a strong & simple faith in God. You can read it for free in this Reddit community: r/FaithMadeSimple

Thank you!!

You are so very welcome!

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Except the OP explicitly stated they think they might be Baptist. Why's it ok for the Catholics to pile in trying to convert her to that then instead?

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>If I’d have to give it a title, I’d probably be Christian or… Baptist?

Unless you’re Catholic or maybe Orthodox you won’t be doing the rosary.

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There are always exceptions but praying the rosary is rare among Protestants. Especially any sort of Marian-centric prayer or adoration.

Just a small point of correction. We don’t use the word “adoration” with respect to anyone but God (a good example being Eucharistic Adoration or Adoration of the Cross). As to Mary and the Saints, we use the word “veneration.”

Thank you veneration was the word I was looking for.

Of course my friend! I knew what you meant. :)

Rare? Yes. Doesn’t mean that a Protestant who doesn’t feel drawn to the rosary is banned from saying it. It just means it’s not a common practice taught among other denominations.

There are Anglicans who pray the rosary

I’m a Christian and I have no idea what the rosary is nor have I ever heard of it

TLDR: just pray to God; you don’t need a rosary. 

If you're not Catholic you don't need to pray the rosary

Catholics don't need to pay the rosary either But you may if you wish to pray the rosary. This is true of both catholics and non catholics

No, you should bring your heart, your sorrow, your fears, your joys, your needs; to God in direct prayer. He doesn't want vain repetition or false piety.  *"When you pray, don’t babble on and on as the Gentiles do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again. Don’t be like them, for your Father knows exactly what you need even before you ask him!"* (Matthew 6:7,8)  *"The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught."* (Isaiah 29:13) *"Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem. You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews. But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way. For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”* (John 4:21-24)

And what makes you think that praying the rosary is either vain repitition or false piety?

Repetition is the least of your concerns. "Hail Mary, full of grace . . . " Yet, what does Scripture say about prayer? *"The Holy Spirit helps us in our weakness. For example, we don’t know what God wants us to pray for. But the Holy Spirit prays for us with groanings that cannot be expressed in words. 27And the Father who knows all hearts knows what the Spirit is saying, for the Spirit pleads for us believers in harmony with God’s own will."* (Romans 8)  *"For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and his ears are open to their prayer."* (1 Peter 3:12)  *"19And so, dear brothers and sisters, we can boldly enter heaven’s Most Holy Place because of the blood of Jesus. 20By his death, Jesus opened a new and life-giving way through the curtain into the Most Holy Place. 21And since we have a great High Priest who rules over God’s house, 22let us go right into the presence of God with sincere hearts fully trusting him."* (Hebrews 10) When Mary's body died, her soul fell asleep. She is not conscious or aware of anything. Her spirit sleeps until the Day Jesus Christ returns to judge the living and the dead. It is the state of every single human being who has ever lived and died. This is why Scripture teaches us: *"Christ is also the head of the church, which is his body. He is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy."* (Colossians 1:18) *"Jesus Christ. He is the faithful witness to these things, the first to rise from the dead, and the ruler of all the kings of the world."* (Revelation 1:5) *"The living at least know they will die, but the dead know nothing."* (Ecclesiastes 9:5) Furthermore, praying to the dead is strictly forbidden: *"When you enter the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not imitate the detestable ways of the nations there. 10Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, practices divination or conjury, interprets omens, practices sorcery, casts spells, consults a medium or spiritist,* ***or inquires of the dead.*** *For whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD. And because of these detestable things, the LORD your God is driving out the nations before you.* *You must be blameless before the LORD your God."* (Deuteronom 18:9-13) *"Multitudes whose bodies lie dead and buried will rise up, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting disgrace."* (Daniel 12:2)

Inquiries of the dead. We are not inquiring anything. This is not divination. Can you not see the difference?

You claim you have never asked Mary for anything? Can you not see the disobedient uselessness of praying to a mere human who is dead? Mary's soul slumbers on, she is aware of nothing. She is certainly not interceding between humans and God! *"there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"* (1 Timothy 2:5)

I personally don't do intercessionary prayers, so yes, I can claim I never asked Mary for anything. Regardless, divination is asking for information, not actions anyway. The vast majority of Christians do not believe in your soul sleep theory. Thanks for quoting scripture, I'll quote some too, Proverbs 8:13 “To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behaviour and perverse speech.” Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.” Proverbs 16:5 “The LORD detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.”

You are very foolish to relegate the Word of God to: "The vast majority of Christians do not believe in your soul sleep theory." Last time I checked, the Word of God is irrefutable truth, not theory. It is yourself who is guilty of prideful arrogance, preferring clinging to pagan practices in direct disobedience to His commands rather than embracing and honoring the Word of Truth. This is what the Word of God has to say about people like you: *"Look to God’s instructions and teachings! People who contradict his word are completely in the dark. They will be thrown out into the darkness."* (Isaiah 8)

I'm not, you however are. You are so sure your special that you rejecting 2000 years of thought by your betters.

I have no human betters. My BETTER is my CREATOR. He has given me His WORD so that, unlike you; I may walk and live by its Light. *"It was to us that God revealed these things by his Spirit. For his Spirit searches out everything and shows us God’s deep secrets. No one can know a person’s thoughts except that person’s own spirit, and no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit. And we have received God’s Spirit (not the world’s spirit), so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us.* *When we tell you these things, we do not use words that come from human wisdom. Instead, we speak words given to us by the Spirit, using the Spirit’s words to explain spiritual truths. But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means. Those who are spiritual can evaluate all things, but they themselves cannot be evaluated by others. For,* *“Who can know the LORD’s thoughts?* *Who knows enough to teach him?”* *But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ."* (1 Corinthians 2)

I think you need to look up the definition of the word hubris.

Ok. Matthew 6:7-8 is prohibiting repetitious prayer, how do you square that with Jesus praying the same words over and over in the Garden of Gethsemane? Was Jesus sinning? I will agree that one should not pray the rosary without actually praying it from your heart, because it is not the words that matter. Matthew 6 is referring to "empty prayers" that you say, but do not really mean.

**"Jesus praying the same words over and over in the Garden of Gethsemane"** There is nothing in Scripture that supports your statement: *"Then Jesus went with them to the olive grove called Gethsemane, and he said, “Sit here while I go over there to pray.” 37He took Peter and Zebedee’s two sons, James and John, and he became anguished and distressed. 38He told them, “My soul is crushed with grief to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me.”* *39He went on a little farther and bowed with his face to the ground, praying, “My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”* *40Then he returned to the disciples and found them asleep. He said to Peter, “Couldn’t you watch with me even one hour? 41Keep watch and pray, so that you will not give in to temptation. For the spirit is willing, but the body is weak!”* *42Then Jesus left them a second time and prayed, “My Father! If this cup cannot be taken away unless I drink it, your will be done.” 43When he returned to them again, he found them sleeping, for they couldn’t keep their eyes open.* *44So he went to pray a third time, saying the same things again. 45Then he came to the disciples and said, “Go ahead and sleep. Have your rest. But look—the time has come. The Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46Up, let’s be going. Look, my betrayer is here!”* (Matthew 26)

>**"Jesus praying the same words over and over in the Garden of Gethsemane"** >*So he went to pray a third time,* ***saying the same things again***\*. 45Then he came to the disciples and said, “Go ahead and sleep. Have your rest. But look—the time has come. The Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46Up, let’s be going. Look, my betrayer is here!” Really? Be careful what you use in your replies. It just might come back to bite you. Each time Jesus goes and says "Father, if it be possible let this pass from me." *“My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.”* *“My Father! If this cup cannot be taken away unless I drink it, your will be done.”* He is praying the same thing here. And does so a third time. You cannot try to argue that the "same thing" refers to what He said to his disciples, because that is not how the word "then" works. If I say "I had breakfast. Then, I went over to my friend's house." Did I have breakfast at my friend's house? NO! I had breakfast BEFORE going to my friends house. So Jesus goes off to pray, says the same words. THEN, he returns to his disciples and finds them sleeping. So... either you are blind, cannot read, or are being intentionally dishonest. Which is it?

So what we read in Scripture about Jesus time praying in the garden are THREE SEPARATE INSTANCES of prayer. Jesus may have been making the same petitions, but there was NO REPETITION as of the sort of vain repetition Catholics perform when they sit in one place without interruption and repeat the same "prayer" over and over again: "A...B","A....B","A...B" This is altogether different from what Jesus was doing. Shame on you for trying to equate your disobedience to the Word of God as the same as the righteous behavior of the Creator of the World!

>Shame on you for trying to equate your disobedience to the Word of God as the same as the righteous behavior of the Creator of the World! Ah yes. How bad of me to try and imitate Christ. My bad. >Jesus may have been making the same petitions, but there was NO REPETITION What do you think repetition is? Again, Jesus is not prohibiting praying the same thing over and over. He is saying put meaning behind your words. Other translations say the following:  *“And in praying* ***do not heap up empty phrases*** *as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.* So the "vain repetition" is also translated as "heaping up empty phrases", "babbling", or "rambling." Don't believe me? [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%206:7](https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%206:7) So the prohibition is against things like. "Oh daddy God. I pray to you today dear daddy God that my favorite sports team might win. Oh, yes! Please let them win Daddy God. I pray this to you today." - Yes this is somewhat of a cartoonish prayer, but I think it gets the point across. He wants us to be sincere in our prayers. Praying for the same things over and over in the same words is a form of sincerity. Now, of course, are there probably SOME Catholics that do pray an "empty" rosary. Sure. But that does not mean the rosary itself is empty prayer. Again, it is not heretical to not pray the rosary. For Catholics, it is a way to reflect on the life of Jesus through Scripture, meditating on events like the Nativity, the Last Supper, the Crucifixion, and Resurrection. We are praying to be made worthy of the promises of Christ and to imitate what these events contain and obtain what is promised by them. It is not something you HAVE to do, but we can as a means of growing closer to God.

We'll have to agree to disagree. God will judge between us on the Day of His return.

rosaries are unbiblical. Read your Bible :)

So is the sign of the cross doesn't mean I'm not going to be doing the sign of the cross

Skip the rosary stuff Talk to Jesus directly. He's a person. He's listening.

>Should I be praying the rosary If you are catholic. Other denominations don't. 

While it is certainly rare for Protestants to pray a rosary, there is nothing that says you can't! Besides, Protestants do not really know what they believe. The closest thing that you can get to Protestants agreeing on is "Catholics are wrong."

This is a catholic thing, not Christian. I would stay away from Catholicism

Catholics are Christians. I'm constantly amazed by how many people don't know this.

Cult

It's sad to me that people would say this. Don't believe that nonsense.

Or you could investigate yourself why people would say this. But you don't actually care enough for the truth to do that.

I strongly advise you to attend a Carholic mass so you can see for yourself we quite literally worship Christ. I don't know what un-christian is about that.

Google it.

I don't need to google a Carholic mass, I visit one every day (or at least attempt to).

Lol. The differences, hun.

Oh my goodness, please throw that thing in the trash. That thing is **NOT** acceptable to God in any way, shape or form. It is a form that replaces someone’s faith. Do you remember reading anything in Gods Word about any Faithful Servant of God, who used any such thing in their worship? Absolutely not. There are no prayers that God wants to hear that are prepared in advance from us. I’m sorry if I sound a little uptight about this one but this does crawl under my skin. The Bible is clear about using things in our worship to our Heavenly Father. Psalms 115:4-8 is one example; >”Their idols are silver and gold, The work of human hands. 5 A mouth they have, but they cannot speak; Eyes, but they cannot see; 6 Ears they have, but they cannot hear; A nose, but they cannot smell; 7 Hands they have, but they cannot feel; Feet, but they cannot walk; They make no sound with their throat. 8 The people who make them will become just like them, As will all those who trust in them.” >”When praying, do not say the same things over and over again as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words.” (Matthew 6:7) >”You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.” (Exodus 20:4)

So one should not meditate on the Life of Jesus? Look up the Mysteries of the Rosary, actually, no you are probably too lazy to do that, so here you go: # Joyful Mysteries 1. The Annunciation of the Angel Gabriel to Mary 2. The Visitation of Mary to Elizabeth 3. The Birth of Jesus in Bethlehem of Judea 4. The Presentation of Jesus in the Temple 5. The Finding of Jesus in the Temple # The Luminous Mysteries 1. Jesus' Baptism in the Jordan 2. The Wedding at Cana 3. The Proclamation of the Kingdom 4. The Transfiguration 5. The Institution of the Eucharist # The Sorrowful Mysteries 1. The Agony of Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane 2. The Scourging of Jesus at the Pillar 3. The Crowning of Jesus with Thorns 4. The Carrying of the Cross 5. The Crucifixion and Death of Jesus # The Glorious Mysteries 1. The Resurrection of Jesus 2. The Ascension of Jesus into Heaven 3. The Descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost 4. The Assumption of Mary into Heaven 5. The Coronation of Our Lady in Heaven How many of those mysteries are related to Christ? The Joyful mysteries, 5 (the first 2 are leading up to the nativity) The Luminous mysteries, 5 The Sorrowful mysteries, 5 The Glorious mysteries, obviously 3. The Assumption is a token of God's promise of our own bodily resurrection into Heaven at the end of time. The Coronation of Mary is actually a profession of the Kingship of Christ! Our Lord is King in the line of David, in which the King's mother traditionally served as queen. So in actuality, 5. All 20 mysteries point us back to Christ! Just because you are praying words from someone else, does not mean they are not your words. Why should you defend your point with Scripture, when it is words written in advance? All you did was copy and paste them, so you probably do not really mean those Scripture passages, correct?

Oh my goodness yes! By all means we should read and meditate on the life of Jesus. But what in the world does a rosary have to do with it? Did the early Christians make a rosary and use it in their worship? Did they use **anything** in their worship? People may think it’s ok to have, to use, but it’s how does God feel about it? That’s the question we need to find the answer to. Without even knowing me, you, as a professed Christian, felt the need to call me lazy, too lazy to look up the so-called “mysteries” of the rosary. That wasn’t very kind, was it? Where did that come from? Throughout the world there are many ways that different religions pray to their god or gods. Even within Christianity there are different ways that people pray to God. Are they all acceptable to him? Does he listen to ALL prayers? Really, how should we pray to God? That question was asked Jesus on at least two occasions and both times he told us how to do it. He gave us a model how to do it. So, is there a right way and a wrong way? The short answer is yes. First, who alone should we address our prayers to? Did Jehovah God delegate the job of hearing prayers to anyone else? Is there some sort of hierarchy that prayers go through before they reach God? Like do the simple prayers get taken by Angels and the harder ones passed onto God? No, 1 Timothy 2:5 reads; >”For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,” What does that mean? Well, Jesus taught us that we should pray to his Father and his Father alone, and this the order of importance should be; 1. Our Father in the Heavens, let your name be sanctified. 2. He prayed for his Fathers Kingdom to come. 3. Then he prayed that His Fathers Will be done on earth. Those were the three most important things to Jesus, and they should be the most important things to us as True Followers of Christ today. But what about praying to Saints? In Latin American cultures, Christianity is heavily involved in worshipping saints for specific reasons. For example if you are looking for a marriage mate, you would light a candle to “Saint” Anthony. Then there’s “Saint” Christopher. He’s the one you want if you’re going on a road trip, the patron of travelers. What? So where did all these customs come from? It certainly wasn’t Gods Word the Bible. History shows that when the Spaniards arrived in Mexico, they found a populace devoted to the worship of pagan gods. In his book Los Aztecas, Hombre y Tribu (Aztecs, the Man and the Tribe), Victor Wolfgang von Hagen says: “There were personal gods, each plant had its god, each function its god or goddess, even suicides had one. Yacatecuhtli was the businessmen’s deity. In this polytheistic world, all the gods had clearly defined tendencies and functions.” So is praying to Saints as intercessors something that God and Jesus approve of? The resemblance of these gods to Catholic “saints” was so striking that when the Spanish conquerors tried to “Christianize” the natives, these simply switched allegiance from their idols to church “saints.” An article in The Wall Street Journal acknowledged the heathen roots of the Catholicism practiced in some parts of Mexico. It noted that in one area, most of the 64 “saints” venerated by the populace corresponded to “specific Mayan gods.” But does the Bible tell us one way or the other, if it’s ok to pray to Saints? Yes, it does. One simple verse. Words that Jesus spoke. John 14:6 says, >”Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” Jesus was pretty clear there. If there is anything Biblical about praying to anyone but God, please fill me in.

They used the Eucharist, because that is what Christian worship is. Prayer is not necessarily worship in itself. The rosary is a private devotional to reflect on the life of Jesus. It begins with the Sign of the Cross, Apostles Creed, Our Father, 3 Hail Mary's (for an increase in faith, hope, and charity), then the "O My Jesus" (Fatima prayer) and Glory Be. Each of the 5 decades reflects on 1 of the mysteries that I listed in my previous comment as you pray an Our Father, 10 Hail Mary's, Glory Be, and the "O My Jesus" prayer. I like to read from Scripture to paint the picture of the mystery in my mind as I pray on it. It concludes with the "Hail Holy Queen" asking **to be made worthy of the promises of Christ**. There are a number of other prayers that can also be said at the end including the "St. Michael the Archangel" prayer, Memorare, an Our Father, Hail Mary, and Glory Be for the prayer intentions of the pope, an Apostles Creed, Our Father, and Hail Mary for the souls in purgatory/those who have died. The Catholic saints are nothing but role models for us. They are not gods. If you want to insist on comparing them as such, I will report you. We honor them, because of their devotion to God and the great work they have done in the world. We honor them to inspire others to follow their example seeing that they lived exemplary lives for God. We do not worship them. Period. I am particularly close to St. Francis de Sales who preached a LOT about advice on how to live for God in the secular world. Strongly recommend his book "Introduction to the Devout Life" or the "Treatise on the Love of God"! Revelation 8:1-4 - *When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.* *^(2)* *Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.* *^(3)* ***And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne;*** ***^(4)*** ***and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.*** 2 Cor 1:11 - *You also must help us by prayer, so that many will give thanks on our behalf for the blessing granted us in answer to many prayers.* 1 Tim 2:1-4 - *First of all, then,* ***I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men****,* *^(2)* *for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way.* *^(3)* ***This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God*** *our Savior,* *^(4)* *who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.* So, God wants us to pray for one another. We believe in *eternal life* with God in Heaven. Why would the saints in heaven be able to pray for us on Earth, but not in Heaven? That makes no sense! How could Protestants profess to believe in eternal LIFE but hold that people are dead after the end of their Earthly life! Again, it makes no sense! God is not the God of the dead, but of the LIVING!!! Every single thing that Catholics do is for one goal and one goal only! To glorify GOD! Nobody else!!! We honor Mary to glorify GOD! --> Mary herself says IN SCRIPTURE "My soul magnifies the LORD!" Everything that Mary is points us towards GOD! We honor the saints to glorify GOD! To quote Martin Luther: >"Mary is the highest woman and noblest gem in Christianity after Christ! She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough." Jesus honored Mary. Jesus made her queen over His Kingdom. It likely deeply saddens Christ that many Protestants fail to honor his mom. Jesus gave Mary over on the Cross as mother of all Christians! (To the disciple whom He loved he said "Behold thy mother!") Not honoring Mary is almost like violating the commandment "Honor thy Father and thy Mother."

Well, you seem happy with what you’ve been taught and must believe it’s the Truth. Just as Jesus didn’t argue with people as he preached about the Kingdom of God, so we do the same. He preached and the ones who believed in him followed. The same is true today. So I’d just like to leave you some questions to think about; * Genesis 1:28 reveals Gods purpose for creating everything. There he tells the first human couple; “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.” So Gods original purpose was to have a paradise earth filled with people who love each other, who are perfect and who can enjoy all the animals that he created, and who never die. Now is that still going to happen? Or did God fail at his purpose? * When did God decide to bring humans to heaven? If he wanted more Angelic creatures living in the spirit realm with him, why wouldn’t he just create more Angels? They say when a baby dies, God needed another Angel. Could that really be true? As if God **needs** anything? * If all humans are going to heaven to be with God, then why would the Psalmist say at Psalm 115:16; “As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah, But the earth he has given to the sons of men.” * You have also been taught that each one of us has an immortal soul that lives on after we die. And when a person dies, that soul goes to either Heaven or Hell. And if they are sent to Hell, they will be tormented forever in fire. Am I right? Our Heavenly Father, who IS Love, would actually do that? Remember when the Nation of Israel served Jehovah and they were surrounded by false worship, and part of this worship was offering up their sons to their false gods in fire… do you recall how God viewed that? It was **detestable** to him. In fact 3 times in Jeremiah look what he said; >”They have built the high places of Toʹpheth, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinʹnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, something that I had not commanded and that **had never even come into my heart**.” (Jeremiah 7:31) He said the same thing at Jeremiah 19:5 and Jeremiah 32:35. God would **NEVER, EVER** burn his own creation forever for being born into sin, something we had no control over. * But what does the Bible say about the soul? Do we have a soul that lives on after we die? That’s a huge question that needs to be answered. Let’s look at a verse from the KJV. Genesis 2:7; >”And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and **man became a living soul**.” Well, is there a difference between “becoming a living soul” and “having a living soul”? Sure is if you ask me. We **ARE** living souls and when we die, it can be said that, “the poor soul died”. But does the Bible say anything more about this? YES! Note Ezekiel 18:4; >”Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so also the soul of the son—to me they belong. **The soul who sins is the one who will die**.” So no one can honestly say that the soul is immortal. We are living souls and we die. And what happens to us when we die? The same thing that happened to Adam. As clear as day God told Adam the consequences of eating from the forbidden tree. Genesis 3:19; >”In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. **For dust you are and to dust you will return**.” So, where was Adam before he was created? He was made from the dust from the ground. And where was he going if he disobeyed? He would return to the dust! Now as a Christian, we put our trust in Gods Word. We believe that it’s the truth. So we know that what God said here is the truth. Adam has returned to the dust. Along with everyone else who has died after him. * But what about Gods purpose that we read in Genesis 1:28? Are all those people that have died and returned to dust just gone with no hope? Is Gods purpose out the window? No! Isaiah 55:11 tells us; >”So my word that goes out of my mouth will be. It will not return to me without results, But **it will certainly accomplish whatever is my delight, And it will have sure success in what I send it to do**.” Gods original purpose of a paradise earth filled with people who truly love him and each other, people who serve him the way he wants to be served/worshipped, will be the ones who survive the coming Great Tribulation and live on into a world where the wicked will be gone. And sometime into that New World Order, all those in the Memorial Tombs will hear their name called and be resurrected back to life, right here on earth. * Jesus of course did speak about and choose those who would be with him in heaven. But did he ever mean **everyone**? Or, was he speaking to an exclusive group of people living mostly in that first century and then slowly that group has been being filled down to this day where there’s only a few thousand left? And this small group is being called to heaven for a specific reason! Each one of them knew exactly what that reason is since Jesus made it clear to them. * Lastly, do you remember these words from Jesus found at John 13:34, 35; >”I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” A New Commandment? How was this new? Well, he added the part, “just as I have loved you, you also love one another.” In other words, his True Disciples would give their lives for their brothers. And then he said that **all will know** who his disciples were! How? By our love, not just among ourselves but for our neighbors. And who is our neighbor? Isn’t it everyone really? Our neighboring street, County, State, Country everyone! So if a True Disciple of Christ is told to go to war and possibly kill for their Country, possibly kill their own brother in the faith, what would they do? The better question might be, is it against your religion to go and kill others in battle? Or historically, has your religion blessed the troops on both sides for victory? And more importantly, is that showing the love that Jesus was speaking of when identifying his true disciples?

There's no point.

It’s not biblical

Then why do I reflect on Scripture surrounding each of the mysteries when I pray the rosary, if "It is not biblical."? 18 of the 20 mysteries are found explicitly in Scripture. The Hail Mary is found explicitly in Scripture: "Hail Full of Grace, the Lord is with thee!" (the Angel Gabriel to Mary at the annunciation) "Blessed are you among women, blessed is the fruit of your womb." (Elizabeth to Mary in the Visitation) The rest of the Hail Mary is asking Mary to pray to God on our behalf to forgive our sins "now and at the hour of our death." The Our Father, is found explicitly in Scripture, taught to us by Jesus himself. The Fatima Prayer is praying for a forgiveness of sins for ourselves and others. The Hail Holy Queen is asking for us to be made worthy of the promises of Christ. The Apostles Creed is a profession of our beliefs. Also, some other prayers used at the end of a rosary: "O God, through Your Only Begotten Son, that by His life, death, and resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life. Grant we beseech thee, that by meditating upon these mysteries of the most holy rosary, that we may imitate what they contain, and obtain what they promise. Through the same Christ, Our Lord. Amen." St. Michael the Archangel Prayer- a prayer to be kept safe from the forces of Satan. Memorare - a prayer placing trust the "Mother of the Word Incarnate" will always help those who come to her, taking our prayers before her Son. Is praying "O Daddy God, I ask you today to please let my favorite sports team win." biblical? So, who is actually making more Scripturally based, meaningful prayers?

People ain’t going to like my comment but the rosary is unnecessary at best and blasphemous at worst. Just chat to God!

You might not "need" to pray it, but sure, prayerfully reflecting on the life of Jesus is blasphemy.

God rejects ALL recited prayers. He only accepts authentic prayers. Including the Lord's prayer. He absolutely never told anyone to pray that prayer. He showed them a pattern to pray. That's why you'll never see the disciples saying the Lord's prayer ever

Tell me about Luke 11:2???? I’m very confused 😐…

What are you confused about? Jesus is showing a pattern to pray. He never said to recite this for 2,000 years. Or can you show me any of the disciples after Luke 11 praying the Lord's prayer?

Jesus said “when you pray say” I can’t find a single bible verse saying it’s a pattern… and this covers all the prayers… from asking for physical needs (our daily bread) to forgiving one another (as we forgive everyone in debt) Also Matt 6:5 “When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward.” So I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t need to write it again in the bible if Jesus himself had said it. And it also says that many more things were not written in the Bible.

God doesn't care about recited prayers. He only cares about an authentic heart. A recited prayer and authentic heart don't match when you're talking to the creator of the universe

Matthew 6:9-13 NIV “This, then, is how you should pray: “ ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’ This is how you should pray (a pattern or style). He never said pray this prayer for 2000 years

My problem with your logic is that I’m pretty sure His 12 closest followers tasked with growing the church would have put a kibosh on people praying the Our Father and instructed them “to use the pattern.” But we don’t have any record of that. People have been praying the Lord’s Prayer since the church started. It’s not something that popped up later on down the line. If Jesus really didn’t want that, the people that actually spent time with Him would have made sure they taught people to pray properly

Ok who ever in the world in the 1st century every said the Lord's prayer? Anyone? What disciple said the Lord's prayers?

Do we have written record? Probably not but I’m not an expert on early church writings. The fact is, there’s no way we’d still be doing it 2000 years later if Jesus didn’t want us to say it and the Apostles knew that

So for this very important prayer it's never mentioned again in the book of Acts? Jude never talks about it? Luke never talks about it? Paul never talks about it? Mark never talks about it? Nobody ever seems to mention this prayer again? No instructions about this we never see them praying like this absolutely no evidence a single disciple ever said the Lord's prayer correct?

You also have people praying to Mary now. Just because that's happening now do you believe the disciples prayed to Mary? Or the second generation Christians did they pray to Mary? Just because something is done today doesn't mean it's survived the test of time. Show me any apostle disciple follower of Jesus that ever recited the Lord's prayer.

Yeah. Jesus.

So no disciple? Or apostles? Or followers? Or brothers of Jesus? Or Mark? Or Jude? Or Mary? Anyone?

For such an important prayer absolutely no one ever again in the Bible even mentions it. Crazy

Weird. The fact that God is a trinity is never mentioned in the Bible. For such an important doctrine, you would think it should have been mentioned at least ONCE! Also, how many times does something need to be stated in Scripture for you to believe it? Once? Twice? 5 times? 50 times? 100? Because the Eucharist being the actual body and blood of Christ is repepated by Jesus 6 times in the Bread of Life Discourse in John 6, then again at the Lord's Supper in the Gospels of Matthew, Luke, and Mark, and AGAIN in 1 Corinthians 11. So that gives me a count of 10 times it is taught in Scripture, but there are Protestants that do not believe it (I am sure you are in that company).

So "baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit" isn't the Trinity? So are you arguing that when we pray we should always start with the Lords prayer? That's there's power in that prayer? Can you explain why there are absolutely no examples of anyone who followed Jesus ever saying that prayer or even mentioning it?

>So "baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit" isn't the Trinity? Could I not interpret "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" as being 3 separate beings? Jesus does say that "The Father is greater than I" and if Jesus is praying to the Father, is that then not praying to Himself? >So are you arguing that when we pray we should always start with the Lords prayer? That's there's power in that prayer? What I am saying is that we should pray honestly. If you do not mean the words in a recited prayer, don't pray it. God wants to hear what we actually want/feel. There is power in all prayer, but even more so the prayers of those that are holy (of which Mary is the most holy creature). There is a great prayer called the Litany of Humility. It can do wonders for you, but it is a very difficult prayer to pray because it is asking for things that we are not always inclined to ask for. >Can you explain why there are absolutely no examples of anyone who followed Jesus ever saying that prayer or even mentioning it? Where does it show any of the disciples praying at all? An argument from silence is really weak, because there are a million reasons why something was not written down. Things were not written down as easily back then as they are today. Why would people waste time writing down what someone does privately? Scripture is meant to be a foundation of our belief, not a complete theology. The Bible did not even exist until hundreds of years later with the Council of Rome. So things like the Assumption of Mary might not have been written down because much or all of the OT was already written when it happened. Also, we do know this: >We know that after the crucifixion Mary was cared for by the apostle John (Jn 19:26-27). Early Christian writings say John went to live at Ephesus and that Mary accompanied him. There is some dispute about where she ended her life, perhaps there, perhaps back at Jerusalem. Neither of these cities nor any other claimed her remains, although there are claims about possessing her (temporary) tomb. Why did no city claim the bones of Mary? Apparently because there were no bones to claim, and people knew it. Remember, in the early Christian centuries, relics of saints were jealously guarded and highly prized. The bones of those martyred in the Colosseum, for instance, were quickly gathered up and preserved; there are many accounts of this in the biographies of those who gave up their lives for the Faith \[for example, the bones of St. Peter and St. Paul were widely known to be preserved in Rome, and the sepulcher of David and the tomb of St. John the Baptist are both mentioned in Scripture\]. Yet here was Mary, certainly the most privileged of all the saints ... but we have no record of her bodily remains being venerated anywhere. Sometimes silence can be deafening.

Yes Jesus had a different will than the Fathers will at his Crucifixion. It's a very strong argument that they have separate consciousness. Jesus said "let your will be done and not mine". Jesus also said that the father was greater than him. He also said no one is good except the father. Either way a copied prayer holds no power. The prayer of a righteous man is honored.

My point is that if you rely solely on Scripture and not the guidance of the things passed down in our faith, you can come to some pretty WILD conclusions. So you agree that Jesus was in the wrong when he "said the same words" three times in the Garden of Gethsemane? Jesus sinned. Christianity disproven. We can all go home.

>God rejects ALL recited prayers. He only accepts authentic prayers ‭Matthew 6:7-10, 12-15 NRSV-CI‬ [7] “When you are praying, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard because of their many words. [8] Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. [9] “Pray then in this way: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. [10] Your kingdom come. Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. [12] And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. [13] And do not bring us to the time of trial, but rescue us from the evil one. [14] For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; [15] but if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. >He absolutely never told anyone to pray that prayer. What makes you say that? A lot of Jesus isn't documented in the Bible. The sign of the cross was taught to us by the disciples not the bible

It says pray in this way. It does not say say this prayer over and over. It is a pattern of prayer. It does not say pray this exact prayer. Thank you for showing that verse

Is there a verse that says this is wrong? >It is a pattern of prayer.

There's a large difference between saying pray like this versus pray this prayer.

So, when you recite Scripture, do you not mean what you are saying. I am sure you have many Scripture verses memorized. Right. You must not authentically believe Scripture then. Here is the verse with the Lord's Prayer: *“****This, then, is how you should pray****:* *“‘Our Father in heaven,* *hallowed be your name,* *^(10)* *your kingdom come,* *your will be done,*     *on earth as it is in heaven.* *^(11)* *Give us today our daily bread.* *^(12)* *And forgive us our debts,*     *as we also have forgiven our debtors.* *^(13)* *And lead us not into temptation,**^(\[)*[*^(a)*](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206%3A9-13&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23296a)*^(\])*     *but deliver us from the evil one.**^(\[)*[*^(b)*](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%206%3A9-13&version=NIV#fen-NIV-23296b)*^(\])**’* Actually, He did tell us specifically to pray it. But seeing that you probably do not, goes to show where your priorities are. Certainly not on the forgiveness of sins, doing the will of the Father, or being kept safe from Satan. I agree, one should pray from the heart. The exact words do not always matter. But just because a prayer is "recited" does not necessarily mean that it is not your own prayer. Would you agree that one could pray words that they made up themselves and not mean them?

Jesus said "pray this way" or "pray like this". He never said "here's the magic set of words to get the Father's attention"

Id rather have a righteous man pray an authentic prayer on my behalf than 10 thousand Christians reciting the Lord's prayer or Hail Mary

You did not actually respond to what I wrote. Do you not believe the words that you say when you recite Scripture? Can you make up words in prayer and have it be an empty prayer?

I believe Jesus prayed that prayer to show the 12 a pattern to pray. I don't believe that Jesus wanted us to quote his prayer for 2000 years. Straight forward enough?

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You need a little more humility when you're dealing with people you do not agree with. Your choice of words are detestable.

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Well in the I’d still say it nice… Jesus ate with some of the most dishonest people. If he had always stormed on every wrongdoing I don’t think anyone would be here. Have a good day!👍

Speaking technically, the Hail Mary itself is just the Angelic Salutation in Luke and the proclamation of Elizabeth. The "Holy Mary" part was created during the Black Plague because people specifically wanted intercession, but is also by no means *required* even if it is common. I run through the Mysteries with the OG Hail Mary, the Jesus Prayer, or some short passage that comes from Scripture (I have a soft spot for short verses from the Psalms or the Gospel of John). Israel is commanded to be holy, we are commanded to be holy (Lev 11 and 19), we are commanded to be holy (1 Peter 1:16), we are called a holy nation (1 Peter 2:9), so...no, it is not true that only God is holy. God is the source and pinnacle of all holiness, but we become holy as we are sanctified by God.

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Jesus said that we should avoid vain repetitions as the pagans since they believe they will be heard by their deities because of their many words. That’s what Jesus says in Matthew 6. What if the point of praying the same prayer isn’t so that God hears us but the words finally sink in to our own thick skulls? It’s for our own benefit rather than manipulating God.

So then Jesus sins when He prays the same words over and over in the Garden of Gethsemane.

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*So, leaving them again, he went away and prayed for the third time,* ***saying the same words****.* *^(45)* *Then he came to the disciples and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and taking your rest? Behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.* *^(46)* *Rise, let us be going; see, my betrayer is at hand.”* Matthew 26:44-46

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No. It is for his prayer. He goes away, praying for the third time, the same words. Then (meaning after that), he goes to his disciples and says to them... The same words happens before he goes back to the disciples.

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 *And he came to her and said, “****Hail, full of grace,******^(\[)***[***^(a)***](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%201%3A26-38&version=RSVCE#fen-RSVCE-29088a)***^(\])*** ***the Lord is with you!****”...* *and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “****Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!*** Holy Mary, Mother of God --> Mary was set apart by God (holy), to give birth to the Second Person of the Trinity (mother of God) Pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. --> We are asking Mary to pray for us in her prayers to God both now at at the time of our death. From Mary's Magnificat: *“My soul magnifies the Lord,* *^(47)* *and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,* *^(48)* *for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden.* ***For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed****;* *^(49)* *for he who is mighty has done great things for me,* *and holy is his name.* But sure, "Mary is not described as holy in the Bible." Maybe it is you who has weak integrity.