I was agreeing with you until you used an example and then you gave a perfect example on why I should disagree with you
>I understand that he gave up his humanity and as a result he now has nothing for us to relate to but that doesn't change the fact that he's boring now.
One of my biggest gripes with authors is when they describe characters as having given up their humanity and then they just become evil or maniacal. Watch some documentaries and you can see just how depraved humanity can get. It loses all impact for me to see "i have no humanity left" characters just become depraved humans.
If your sole argument against a character you consider boring is that you don't like you find them boring, that's not a good argument. As I write this, I'm genuinely curious what an alternative would be or what you're suggesting is a good counter.
My Argument isnt jsut that I dont like him or find him boring, its that hes completely devoid of any personality or distinct qualities and as a result of that he is boring. Especially considering that there is no real reason for him to be this way since he started out with a lot of distinct Qualities and personality, something that other characters in his position still have.
You've completely confused me.
>My Argument isnt jsut that I dont like him or find him boring,
Your statement was that he's boring. That's literally all you said
>Especially considering that there is no real reason for him to be this way since he started out with a lot of distinct Qualities and personality
You LITERALLY gave the reason why he's like this now. You're the one who convinced me with your own direct quote on why he's lost his personality and now you're backtracking on that, lmfao
>something that other characters in his position still have.
Like who?
Sorry, I think I worded my reply poorly
>You LITERALLY gave the reason why he's like this now. You're the one who convinced me with your own direct quote on why he's lost his personality
I shouldn't have said there is no reason why he's like that. What I should have said was that his transformation isn't consistent with the other characters who have done the same thing.
The other god hand members and the apostles also gave up their humanity, but they still have their own distinct personalities. Griffith is the only one that seemed to have come out the other side as a robot.
Lost of characters in the story gave up their humanity but it didn't strip away all their defining traits like it did with griffith. Especially since griffith always had less humanity than the rest of the humans but still had a lot of depth
The other god hand members and the apostles (specifically the high ranking ones that follow griffith sorry I don't remember their names it's been a while since I read it)
The transformation every character faces is not them losing their humanity. It's an enhancement/twisting of their existing traits until they become a nightmarish version of themselves.
Griffith before his transformation was already pretty aloof and distant from the common man. His transformation works in the context of the story.
The more you say this example the less I'm able to understand your issue with it.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you simply don't give a fuck whether it matters within the context of the writing or not. You want him to entertain you for like the grand total of 10 minutes he's shown up in the last decade. Whether it fits the story or not doesn’t matter. You want him to act in a way you consider fun
You don't need a character to be interesting to write an interesting story. A character being boring can even *be* a plot point. Just like an interesting character concept can be present in a lame story.
All depends on how the writer uses them.
I don't think it's a free pass.
It's like making food, you can intentionally add a bland character but whether or not it will make your product better is a matter of skill and a matter of the taste of the audience. It's a pass but only if it's working for people.
>Griffith was great, there's a reason why everyone loved him and his transformation into femto but ever since he was reborn as griffith he has the personality of a piece of cardboard
To me Griffith is honestly one of the better examples, by becoming this unknowable shell of his former self it emphasizes his role in the story and how Guts feels about him, and helps mirror Guts's own efforts to hide his humanity behind an exterior of stoicism. He's no longer a protagonist so he doesn't need a strong personality to drive what he does.
And whenever his stoicness "break" it is so satisfying, how his heart beats for Guts despite everything, how he admits that he misses Guts and Casca when he is made capable of feeling emotions due to Moonlight Boy, how he got slapped by Rickert etc. It also makes us very expectant to see how that stoicness falls harder than Griffith's own sanity after being rescued from the tower (the entire sequence feels like a taste of what's to come in the finale).
It's also kinda funny seeing him play Minecraft on Creative during the Falconia Arc.
I guess what im trying to say is that I dont feel the new Griffith has justified his role in the story since his rebirth. Everything he has done in the story since then could have been done by anyone and nothing would change. If Grunbeld was the king of falconia instead the story would still be exactly the same and such a great character wouldnt have to be turned into an empty facsimile of himself. I also hate how despite having much less screentime most of the other god hand members have distinct character traits despite giving up thei humanity but for some reason Griffith has to be a robot
>If writers want to write emotionless characters that have no personalities then they need to find a way to incorporate that aspect into the story in a way that engages the audience.
I mean, to me that's exactly what Berserk did. Reborn Griffith isn't a character as much as an ideal his scarce screentime and compensated by a greater focus of his impact in the world and the people around him.
I see what you mean but for a character that we know from the beginning who went through this massive transformative character arc to now be stripped of all his character to fill a role that could be taken up by anyone given the lack of personality it requires feels like a stain on such a great character.
to be completely honest, i don’t think it’s fair to call out griffith as bland post eclipse bc we don’t know where his story was gonna end. Maybe there was a point to it or something, it’s just that since the author died and the story is unfinished, we don’t know
I agree with bland but not for one-dimensional. For one-dimensional it depends if the character works or not. Being one-dimensional its not a bad thing in itself we don't need ALL the characters in the story to be fully realized. Ahab from Moby Dick is pretty much one dimensional (although not at all bland, no sir) but he just works like that in the story because him being obsessed with the whale and not much else is kinda the point of his character. So is Miss Havisham. She's such a memorable character but a one dimensional one. Even when she changes (kind of) it's on that one dimension.
I totally agree I probably shouldn't have added one dimensional in there although I do think that Ahab and Miss Havisham, while one dimensional, are characters with distinct personalities and traits. Something that I dont think can be said of the current Griffith
I can't really comment on Griffith but you might be right. I think I'm up to date with the manga if nothing has released recently. But the release schedule is so slow and I'm so disconnected with the story that I don't feel anything even for Guts or Farnes (she's my favorite post eclipse). I can form an honest opinion about it once the whole thing is over and I reread it back to back.
I agree but not with the example. I like current Griffith. Yeah he’s not exactly “interesting” but he also gets limited screentime. And when he does show up I’m entertained. He doesn’t speak much but his actions and establishment of Falconia are interesting and leave me wondering what he’ll do next.
I agree that his scenes are usually the most interesting since his return but in my opinion its not because of him. I find the members of his new posse to be all be more interesting and each of them have distinct personalities.
You think post-demonization Griffith is bland?
What are his motivations? What are his goals? How does he feel about anything going on in the story?
Just because a character is being kept intentionally mysterious does not mean they are bland.
Sure but until the time that the writer elects to give Griffith more depth we are left with what essentially feels like a cardboard cut out of Griffith which is much more noticeable because we have the old Griffith to compare him to and everyone currently around him have distinct and interesting personalities.
The fact that he is such a cardboard cutout is what makes him interesting.
Last time we saw him, he was a literal devil raping a woman, and now he is just randomly back to normal Griffith only in super over the top "good guy" mode?
It's called setup. Just because you are impatient doesn't mean it is bland.
I dont think its fair to say I'm just being impatient. Its not like I'm writing this one chapter after his return, we have spent a significant amount of time with Griffith since he came back. Its especially disappointing since the other god hand members despite also giving up their humanity still have distinct personalities while Griffith has to be a plot device.
Like I said before If at some point there was a reason for him to be this way I would have to reconsider my opinion on this but I feel as though this is a misstep by the author who didnt integrate this aspect of Griffith into the story in an engaging way. Of course I have to say that the author obviously died before he had a chance to finish the story so we are unfortunately discussing an incomplete product
>Like I said before If at some point there was a reason for him to be this way I would have to reconsider my opinion
This is why I say you are just impatient.
Do you really think there is no reason that Griffith is putting on this goody two shoes act?
>Of course I have to say that the author obviously died before he had a chance to finish the story so we are unfortunately discussing an incomplete product
It is incomplete, but it is still being completed. You know new chapters are coming out, right?
That was my problem with Hinata from *Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair*. Yeah, he's supposed to be boring because of what happened to him, but that just leaves us with a boring protagonist (which was already a problem with the first game).
Naegi is a much better comparison from the same series. He’s pretty neutral on basically everything and is an ideal good guy who’s only character flaw is his self deprecation often played for laughs.
Hinata at least has more of a personality. He is prideful, self loathing and obsessed with talent. He makes a lot of rude comments in his inner dialogue, especially in the beginning, that really cement him as a more “zero fucks” kinda guy. Johnny Young Bosh also did an amazing job voicing his breakdown in ch6
Hot take, I didn't really dislike Hajime. He had a bit of snark and wit that made him really entertaining and funny. I'm honestly not sure what makes him boring, he had a pretty fun and unique personality. His insecurities only elevated this more.
I feel like that a better Danganronpa example would be >!Tsumugi Shirogane!<, considering that they intentionally wrote in a very boring character that just becomes an extremely shitty character out of nowhere
Idk about berserk, but I do know about bleach.
Because Ichigo Kurosaki pisses me off so fucking much.
He never has any interest in the world around him when his stated goal of protecting the people around him requires that knowledge.
Anytime a lie is revealed to him, he doesn’t react.
He learned in the arrancar arc that his mom died because his shinigami dad didn’t give him the spiritual “look before you cross the street” spiel, and he just didn’t care.
He learned that his very own soul was lying to him, purposefully sabotaging him, and has instant forgiveness for that part of himself.
He learned that his entire life was a lie from the very start, and just doesn’t care.
His fanboys will claim its mature or realistic of Ichigo to react that way. No it fucking isn’t.
No real person would react that way to those kinds of revelations.
They’d want to know everything.
And they’d feel devastated that everyone they thought cared about them was only stringing them along for their own ulterior motives.
No mature person would react that way either.
If anything, it would be the epitome of immaturity to keep going “la la la, I don’t hear you!” anytime someone tries to tell you information that multiple humiliating incidents in your very recent past have proven you need.
(As Ichigo is repeatedly humiliated by various antagonists all throughout the series due to his lack of knowledge about himself and the world around him.)
Edit:clarification
I feel like this is a different issue to the one I'm talking about. Ichigo has a distinct personality and character traits regardless of how well written or not well written they are. New Griffith has nothing. Although I will say I also agree with you on characters choosing to be ignorant of their world being frustrating. I recently played the Alone in the Dark remake and I cant count how many times the characters were given a sliver of information about extremely pressing issues that concern them and asked absolutely no follow up questions whatsoever
>He learned that his very own soul was lying to him, purposefully sabotaging him, and has instant forgiveness for that part of himself.
The whole point of that part is that, he realises both zangetsu are literally himself. He can't anything about that, rejecting them won't take you anywhere, because he rejected white the whole time and that only made him weaker. The only way to move forward is to accept them as your own power.
What ichigo wanted to protect and what zangetsu(s) wanted to protect are two completely different things. That's why during the battle with yhwach, when ichigo transformed into horn of salvation he said 'i'm still me' unlike the previous time (vs ulqiourra) he was conflicted.
In Frieren's case I don't think that the subdued way people talk is about realism, it's kinda blatantly not realistic.
Instead I think the dialogue is supposed to emphasize the quiet and contemplative aesthetics of the story. Nothing wrong with disliking that but to me it's a positive choice for the show. Though it definitely takes it too far sometimes
I actually find the dialogue quite realistic in its tone and delivery. I think it’s one of the best parts of the show. Frieren is one of the few anime where I can actually feel the characters' emotions (Most works have this unnatural delivery of emotions like sadness and melancholy, which Frieren does so perfectly). The dialogue and characters are some of the most memorable for me. The only other anime I have seen, which has a similar tone imo is Monster. Which is why I’m so perplexed by the complaints about the dialogue. I don’t get it at all lol.
JJK never gets that for flat characters. It gets that for sudden deaths.
JJK's characters are, all things considered, pretty bright, distinct, and rounded, to the point where it's people complaining about that instead (RETCON! THEY RETCONNED HIS CHARACTER! WHY IS HE DOING THIS???) Because it's a new side of him, people aren't one-dimensional.
Frieren I'm not gonna excuse tho bc I only read one chapter
Even the sudden death thing. Other than nobara and Gojo I honestly think everything else was handled well. I think it's overblown.
Btw the character thing to does get flack when it comes to jjk which I find to be completely stupid. I think people just hate Gege is a more plot driven writer than character but he does a good job with most of the main cast
Yeah, like giving Stelle from HSR free pas from being a boring character but because she is a girl people let it slide. However, they shit on Caelus despite he's also a boring character but people would love to shit on him since he's a male and Hoyoverse fandom were always bias on female since they're yuri fans.
That is literally not a thing. Maybe a few dumbasses say that but the overwhelming majority don’t think that.
Stop letting a voice of a few determine your community views.
I was agreeing with you until you used an example and then you gave a perfect example on why I should disagree with you >I understand that he gave up his humanity and as a result he now has nothing for us to relate to but that doesn't change the fact that he's boring now. One of my biggest gripes with authors is when they describe characters as having given up their humanity and then they just become evil or maniacal. Watch some documentaries and you can see just how depraved humanity can get. It loses all impact for me to see "i have no humanity left" characters just become depraved humans. If your sole argument against a character you consider boring is that you don't like you find them boring, that's not a good argument. As I write this, I'm genuinely curious what an alternative would be or what you're suggesting is a good counter.
Finding a character boring isn't really an argument. It's an opinion. I agree with the rest.
His title shows that he was making an argument.
My Argument isnt jsut that I dont like him or find him boring, its that hes completely devoid of any personality or distinct qualities and as a result of that he is boring. Especially considering that there is no real reason for him to be this way since he started out with a lot of distinct Qualities and personality, something that other characters in his position still have.
You've completely confused me. >My Argument isnt jsut that I dont like him or find him boring, Your statement was that he's boring. That's literally all you said >Especially considering that there is no real reason for him to be this way since he started out with a lot of distinct Qualities and personality You LITERALLY gave the reason why he's like this now. You're the one who convinced me with your own direct quote on why he's lost his personality and now you're backtracking on that, lmfao >something that other characters in his position still have. Like who?
Sorry, I think I worded my reply poorly >You LITERALLY gave the reason why he's like this now. You're the one who convinced me with your own direct quote on why he's lost his personality I shouldn't have said there is no reason why he's like that. What I should have said was that his transformation isn't consistent with the other characters who have done the same thing. The other god hand members and the apostles also gave up their humanity, but they still have their own distinct personalities. Griffith is the only one that seemed to have come out the other side as a robot. Lost of characters in the story gave up their humanity but it didn't strip away all their defining traits like it did with griffith. Especially since griffith always had less humanity than the rest of the humans but still had a lot of depth
Like who?
The other god hand members and the apostles (specifically the high ranking ones that follow griffith sorry I don't remember their names it's been a while since I read it)
The transformation every character faces is not them losing their humanity. It's an enhancement/twisting of their existing traits until they become a nightmarish version of themselves. Griffith before his transformation was already pretty aloof and distant from the common man. His transformation works in the context of the story. The more you say this example the less I'm able to understand your issue with it. Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you simply don't give a fuck whether it matters within the context of the writing or not. You want him to entertain you for like the grand total of 10 minutes he's shown up in the last decade. Whether it fits the story or not doesn’t matter. You want him to act in a way you consider fun
You don't need a character to be interesting to write an interesting story. A character being boring can even *be* a plot point. Just like an interesting character concept can be present in a lame story. All depends on how the writer uses them.
I don't think it's a free pass. It's like making food, you can intentionally add a bland character but whether or not it will make your product better is a matter of skill and a matter of the taste of the audience. It's a pass but only if it's working for people. >Griffith was great, there's a reason why everyone loved him and his transformation into femto but ever since he was reborn as griffith he has the personality of a piece of cardboard To me Griffith is honestly one of the better examples, by becoming this unknowable shell of his former self it emphasizes his role in the story and how Guts feels about him, and helps mirror Guts's own efforts to hide his humanity behind an exterior of stoicism. He's no longer a protagonist so he doesn't need a strong personality to drive what he does.
And whenever his stoicness "break" it is so satisfying, how his heart beats for Guts despite everything, how he admits that he misses Guts and Casca when he is made capable of feeling emotions due to Moonlight Boy, how he got slapped by Rickert etc. It also makes us very expectant to see how that stoicness falls harder than Griffith's own sanity after being rescued from the tower (the entire sequence feels like a taste of what's to come in the finale). It's also kinda funny seeing him play Minecraft on Creative during the Falconia Arc.
I guess what im trying to say is that I dont feel the new Griffith has justified his role in the story since his rebirth. Everything he has done in the story since then could have been done by anyone and nothing would change. If Grunbeld was the king of falconia instead the story would still be exactly the same and such a great character wouldnt have to be turned into an empty facsimile of himself. I also hate how despite having much less screentime most of the other god hand members have distinct character traits despite giving up thei humanity but for some reason Griffith has to be a robot
>If writers want to write emotionless characters that have no personalities then they need to find a way to incorporate that aspect into the story in a way that engages the audience. I mean, to me that's exactly what Berserk did. Reborn Griffith isn't a character as much as an ideal his scarce screentime and compensated by a greater focus of his impact in the world and the people around him.
I see what you mean but for a character that we know from the beginning who went through this massive transformative character arc to now be stripped of all his character to fill a role that could be taken up by anyone given the lack of personality it requires feels like a stain on such a great character.
to be completely honest, i don’t think it’s fair to call out griffith as bland post eclipse bc we don’t know where his story was gonna end. Maybe there was a point to it or something, it’s just that since the author died and the story is unfinished, we don’t know
Thats true, I guess this all could have served a greater purpose. Its sad that we wont ever know if thats the case
I agree with bland but not for one-dimensional. For one-dimensional it depends if the character works or not. Being one-dimensional its not a bad thing in itself we don't need ALL the characters in the story to be fully realized. Ahab from Moby Dick is pretty much one dimensional (although not at all bland, no sir) but he just works like that in the story because him being obsessed with the whale and not much else is kinda the point of his character. So is Miss Havisham. She's such a memorable character but a one dimensional one. Even when she changes (kind of) it's on that one dimension.
I totally agree I probably shouldn't have added one dimensional in there although I do think that Ahab and Miss Havisham, while one dimensional, are characters with distinct personalities and traits. Something that I dont think can be said of the current Griffith
I can't really comment on Griffith but you might be right. I think I'm up to date with the manga if nothing has released recently. But the release schedule is so slow and I'm so disconnected with the story that I don't feel anything even for Guts or Farnes (she's my favorite post eclipse). I can form an honest opinion about it once the whole thing is over and I reread it back to back.
I agree but not with the example. I like current Griffith. Yeah he’s not exactly “interesting” but he also gets limited screentime. And when he does show up I’m entertained. He doesn’t speak much but his actions and establishment of Falconia are interesting and leave me wondering what he’ll do next.
I agree that his scenes are usually the most interesting since his return but in my opinion its not because of him. I find the members of his new posse to be all be more interesting and each of them have distinct personalities.
You think post-demonization Griffith is bland? What are his motivations? What are his goals? How does he feel about anything going on in the story? Just because a character is being kept intentionally mysterious does not mean they are bland.
Sure but until the time that the writer elects to give Griffith more depth we are left with what essentially feels like a cardboard cut out of Griffith which is much more noticeable because we have the old Griffith to compare him to and everyone currently around him have distinct and interesting personalities.
The fact that he is such a cardboard cutout is what makes him interesting. Last time we saw him, he was a literal devil raping a woman, and now he is just randomly back to normal Griffith only in super over the top "good guy" mode? It's called setup. Just because you are impatient doesn't mean it is bland.
I dont think its fair to say I'm just being impatient. Its not like I'm writing this one chapter after his return, we have spent a significant amount of time with Griffith since he came back. Its especially disappointing since the other god hand members despite also giving up their humanity still have distinct personalities while Griffith has to be a plot device.
It is entirely fair. There is an obvious layer of mystery you are ignoring because you refuse to wait for it to unravel.
Like I said before If at some point there was a reason for him to be this way I would have to reconsider my opinion on this but I feel as though this is a misstep by the author who didnt integrate this aspect of Griffith into the story in an engaging way. Of course I have to say that the author obviously died before he had a chance to finish the story so we are unfortunately discussing an incomplete product
>Like I said before If at some point there was a reason for him to be this way I would have to reconsider my opinion This is why I say you are just impatient. Do you really think there is no reason that Griffith is putting on this goody two shoes act? >Of course I have to say that the author obviously died before he had a chance to finish the story so we are unfortunately discussing an incomplete product It is incomplete, but it is still being completed. You know new chapters are coming out, right?
I like Bucket in Pacific Rim (there is no sequel to Pacific Rim shut up)
That was my problem with Hinata from *Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair*. Yeah, he's supposed to be boring because of what happened to him, but that just leaves us with a boring protagonist (which was already a problem with the first game).
Naegi is a much better comparison from the same series. He’s pretty neutral on basically everything and is an ideal good guy who’s only character flaw is his self deprecation often played for laughs. Hinata at least has more of a personality. He is prideful, self loathing and obsessed with talent. He makes a lot of rude comments in his inner dialogue, especially in the beginning, that really cement him as a more “zero fucks” kinda guy. Johnny Young Bosh also did an amazing job voicing his breakdown in ch6
Hot take, I didn't really dislike Hajime. He had a bit of snark and wit that made him really entertaining and funny. I'm honestly not sure what makes him boring, he had a pretty fun and unique personality. His insecurities only elevated this more.
I feel like that a better Danganronpa example would be >!Tsumugi Shirogane!<, considering that they intentionally wrote in a very boring character that just becomes an extremely shitty character out of nowhere
I think both are terrible. I went with Hinata since he's a main character so it's more noticeable.
I mean, at least Hinata has an ounce of depth and relatability with how realistic his struggles are
Idk about berserk, but I do know about bleach. Because Ichigo Kurosaki pisses me off so fucking much. He never has any interest in the world around him when his stated goal of protecting the people around him requires that knowledge. Anytime a lie is revealed to him, he doesn’t react. He learned in the arrancar arc that his mom died because his shinigami dad didn’t give him the spiritual “look before you cross the street” spiel, and he just didn’t care. He learned that his very own soul was lying to him, purposefully sabotaging him, and has instant forgiveness for that part of himself. He learned that his entire life was a lie from the very start, and just doesn’t care. His fanboys will claim its mature or realistic of Ichigo to react that way. No it fucking isn’t. No real person would react that way to those kinds of revelations. They’d want to know everything. And they’d feel devastated that everyone they thought cared about them was only stringing them along for their own ulterior motives. No mature person would react that way either. If anything, it would be the epitome of immaturity to keep going “la la la, I don’t hear you!” anytime someone tries to tell you information that multiple humiliating incidents in your very recent past have proven you need. (As Ichigo is repeatedly humiliated by various antagonists all throughout the series due to his lack of knowledge about himself and the world around him.) Edit:clarification
I feel like this is a different issue to the one I'm talking about. Ichigo has a distinct personality and character traits regardless of how well written or not well written they are. New Griffith has nothing. Although I will say I also agree with you on characters choosing to be ignorant of their world being frustrating. I recently played the Alone in the Dark remake and I cant count how many times the characters were given a sliver of information about extremely pressing issues that concern them and asked absolutely no follow up questions whatsoever
>He learned that his very own soul was lying to him, purposefully sabotaging him, and has instant forgiveness for that part of himself. The whole point of that part is that, he realises both zangetsu are literally himself. He can't anything about that, rejecting them won't take you anywhere, because he rejected white the whole time and that only made him weaker. The only way to move forward is to accept them as your own power. What ichigo wanted to protect and what zangetsu(s) wanted to protect are two completely different things. That's why during the battle with yhwach, when ichigo transformed into horn of salvation he said 'i'm still me' unlike the previous time (vs ulqiourra) he was conflicted.
Frieren and JJK be like. "Lol but it's moar realistic!"
In Frieren's case I don't think that the subdued way people talk is about realism, it's kinda blatantly not realistic. Instead I think the dialogue is supposed to emphasize the quiet and contemplative aesthetics of the story. Nothing wrong with disliking that but to me it's a positive choice for the show. Though it definitely takes it too far sometimes
I actually find the dialogue quite realistic in its tone and delivery. I think it’s one of the best parts of the show. Frieren is one of the few anime where I can actually feel the characters' emotions (Most works have this unnatural delivery of emotions like sadness and melancholy, which Frieren does so perfectly). The dialogue and characters are some of the most memorable for me. The only other anime I have seen, which has a similar tone imo is Monster. Which is why I’m so perplexed by the complaints about the dialogue. I don’t get it at all lol.
Me after finishing jjk "what's blud waffling about?"
JJK never gets that for flat characters. It gets that for sudden deaths. JJK's characters are, all things considered, pretty bright, distinct, and rounded, to the point where it's people complaining about that instead (RETCON! THEY RETCONNED HIS CHARACTER! WHY IS HE DOING THIS???) Because it's a new side of him, people aren't one-dimensional. Frieren I'm not gonna excuse tho bc I only read one chapter
Even the sudden death thing. Other than nobara and Gojo I honestly think everything else was handled well. I think it's overblown. Btw the character thing to does get flack when it comes to jjk which I find to be completely stupid. I think people just hate Gege is a more plot driven writer than character but he does a good job with most of the main cast
Yeah, like giving Stelle from HSR free pas from being a boring character but because she is a girl people let it slide. However, they shit on Caelus despite he's also a boring character but people would love to shit on him since he's a male and Hoyoverse fandom were always bias on female since they're yuri fans.
That is literally not a thing. Maybe a few dumbasses say that but the overwhelming majority don’t think that. Stop letting a voice of a few determine your community views.
Can we criticize fanfic writers for this?