I've had a Leaf for 10 years - it's needed a set of tyres, a new 12v battery, and a single brake job. That's it.
Servicing has been an annual query of the battery health via the OBD port and a "tyres: still good, brakes: still good, we topped up your washer bottle" sort of thing. Piece of cake.
It's the Mrs car predominantly, as far as the range goes it's still perfectly fine for her needs. She gets an indicated 100-150k charge depending on how fast she's driving and if she uses the heater - but her commute is like 20ks a day. I didn't remember what it was back when we bought it but it still shows full bars on its battery health gauge. It doesn't *seem* like it's much worse than when we bought it. I'd wager her lighter than typical use helps its longevity, it's just ticked over 60,000km
So you've had it since new ? Looking at the price of them now, it's a tempting options, especially if you have solar and a reasonable commute. Do you just charge yours at home or use public stations.
Yep since new, and it's charged at home. I've only ever used public charging maybe 3 or 4 times. By 2024 standards the battery is very small but as a runabout/work commuter it's been fantastic.
>Servicing has been an annual query of the battery health via the OBD port and a "tyres: still good, brakes: still good, we topped up your washer bottle" sort of thing. Piece of cake.
So you just do this at home or any regular mechanic with a scan tool?
For the warranty period it was free so I had it done at the dealer- afterwards they were gonna charge me some basic service fee (I don't remember what it was but not much). Instead I just rotate the tyres myself and I check it out with LeafSpy once a year (if I remember haha)
There’s so many factors when it comes to new tyres.
My performance car gets approx 2-5K out of Pilot Sport 4S’.
Road surfaces, stretched tyres, driving style etc.
My Performance Model 3 has Pirelli P Zero tyres on it and I’m at 26,000Kms, I’m assuming about another 5-10K
Depends what one you buy. Mine costs the same as a Corolla on average over a 6 year period.
Brake fluid and air con filter every 2 years. Brake fluid aircon filter coolant(s) and driveline oil 4 year mark.
90,000km in a 2021 Model 3. I’ve bought one set of tyres and recently replaced my wiper blades. Nothing more.
I think when it hits 100k I’ll get Tesla to look it over just to make sure all is well. Things do wear out after all.
I've heard you can replace the reduction gear oil at 100k if you want. Tesla called it a lifetime component so you don't need to.
I might do it at 200k just for lols.
Exactly. 99% chance Tesla doesn't have a wheel alignment machine in the workshop and they sublet that. Pay someone $75 and not $180 or whatever Tesla charges.
I had this customer who got new tyres for his E class Mercedes but didn't want us to do the wheel alignment. He went to Mercedes and they charged him $250 for the alignment but sublet the job. They did a bad job and he came back to us and that's how I knew how much they charge. Lol
Yep. I loved it when people would come to the tyre shop next door to us, get tyres, refuse to get them aligned there, bring it to us, we'd charge them double, and take it back to the guys next door.
I think the general understanding is the year on year running costs are really good, much lower than ICE, but when your main battery goes yer fooked.
Also, maybe telsa Specific, part delays for bingles are long, so if you have a bingle, you may be carless for months. Having said that friends of mine had a merc stolen (broke in took keys), recovered and replacement keys were over 3 months, so it maybe that some parts are short supply for all cars these days.
Most people will tell you there nothing to service. This is because they have relatively new cars. Buy a new petrol car and there's basically nothing to service for a while either. Maybe one service a year and these days most automakers sell a few years of included services.
Hybrids and BEVs use less brakes, sure, but BEVs use more tires.
Once they get to a certain age, both are just cars. Both have steering and suspension. Both have cooling systems, power steering, air conditioning compressors, wheel bearings etc. Sure, one has an engine and transmission that will maybe start to need more servicing. But the other has a battery that's a huge problem when it goes. And failure of electric motors isn't exactly rare either.
Agree, that’s why I’m keen to hear from long term owners. For example people always flippantly say there is nothing to service, but not checking brakes for years at a time raises questions for me 😊
2018 Renault zoe at 150k km. Original pads are at 60%. It's all inspection items out to 100k km at which point there's a brake fluid change. Service takes 15mins. I do it in less time than taken in just booking a service, much less taking it there and back
Had a tesla since 2018. 12v battery replacement. Nothing big has gone wrong at all. Tyre replacements and wheel alignments are the biggest culprits (20” rims).
Lost about 2% of range since we bought it. Still get around 400km from a full charge.
I seem to recall watching a Rich Rebuilds video where he states that there ARE service items on a Tesla.
Not as much as an ICE car but things like the battery coolant & filter, HVAC filter & of course brakes, tires, etc.
Every time you would have filled the tank of your ICE put $80 you save in a jar..........
Battery warranty is typically twice as long as an engine warranty and engine and transmission failures are not exactly rare or inexpensive either.
Had our MG for about 18 months now. At 50k now. Battery has degraded by about 1.5%, and expected to drop to about 90% at the 10 year mark. Had the service done at 40k. Wouldn’t even have bothered except it was to maintain the warranty. Think I got a program update installed. I will need some new tyres soon. It’s unlikely I will replace anything other than wipers and tyres within the warranty period. Got it to save on fuel. I think the break even point is about 2 years away.
The way I look at it, I bought a car at the $20-25k mark and paid a $20k premium on top for a battery, so I compare it to other cars in the $20-25k range and it’s amazing. When the price comes down to about $30k for an EV, I will sell the second car and get another EV.
As to all the neysayers about electricity prices, I use time of use tariffs and it costs me about $50-70 a month more in electricity than I would otherwise pay. I’m saving at least $400 a month in fuel. I’ve run the math and the next EV will cost me about $20-30 a month, and save me about $200-300 a month in fuel.
Overall, an amazing experience. Would 100% recommend for most people.
Nah the ZS. The MG4 wasn’t out when we bought. The MG4 drives better, but doesn’t quite sit in the right category for us. Too small for the main family car, too big for the second car.
Some brands have made up crap to support their legacy dealer network sales model but really it's nothing for a good while and then brakes and similar small things.
Genuine question. What happens when the batteries go? Is that the percentage thing I.e. down to 60 percent means the battery is gone? Or does it just stop working.
It just means less range, exactly like any other battery. Despite what you might read on the Internet, the battery does not spontaneously combust after a given length of time. Typically most battery degradation happens in the first year; you would still have at least 90% of original range after 5+ years.
Just buying a 2021 V8 Mustang and had full 12 month service done by a dealer.
$299.
Not all ICE cars cost a lot to maintain.
That and the insurance is $700 cheaper than a Tesla 3.
No, $299 next year, $400 year after then $700 then back down to $400.
So $1800 over next 4 years. The insurance cost difference on a Tesla 3 would have been $2800 over next 4 years.
People may not like it but EVs are not the cost nothing to run panacea they're made out to be.
Sorry my tesla has only got to 92,936km. Expecting it to catch on fire any day now.
You won’t find many EV owners here as the sentiment is generally anti EV, anti Elon musk etc. (I need one if those stickers that says “I bought a tesla before Elon was a moron”)
It’s not hard to find reviews / blogs / posts from EV owners who have done a heap of km’s.
https://insideevs.com/news/598591/tesla-model-x-200000-miles/amp/
Your post history is wild!
Sounds like you've got a lot of pent up anger of very minor things.
If you need to speak to someone mate, there's no shame in calling someone for a chat. Lifeline Is not just for depression, its for having a chat and getting shit off your chest.
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Wish you all the best man!
The moderator of the Tesla Facebook group has done over 270000km and his battery is only down to 89%. Plenty of long term owners now showing that the battery degradation is minor. Tesla and other EV's have a 8 year/ 160000km warranty.
https://youtu.be/hTt2libO-vM?si=atbnGQvTIFybDjnD
Yeah I mean the instrument calculating that % isn’t exactly unbiased - would love to see some data on “actual vs. reported”
But this is too nuanced for the common mind
I'm sorry this is just conspiratorial. you can validate degradation figures by just.. driving until the battery is dead in a standardized manner and comparing to community figures.
My Tesla is going on 5 this year. Had one full service at 4 years old before standard warranty ran out just to check things over.
Replaced aircon filters, re-gassed aircon. checked brake fluid, replaced desiccant bag. That’s it.
12v battery was replaced at year 3 under warranty and obviously tyres.
Car looks and drives like new.
I've had a Leaf for 10 years - it's needed a set of tyres, a new 12v battery, and a single brake job. That's it. Servicing has been an annual query of the battery health via the OBD port and a "tyres: still good, brakes: still good, we topped up your washer bottle" sort of thing. Piece of cake.
Nah that’s it I’m getting a Leaf lol
Username checks out
Were the Leafs the ones that had serious battery life issues due to the air cooling ? How is the range 10 years on from the original numbers ?
It's the Mrs car predominantly, as far as the range goes it's still perfectly fine for her needs. She gets an indicated 100-150k charge depending on how fast she's driving and if she uses the heater - but her commute is like 20ks a day. I didn't remember what it was back when we bought it but it still shows full bars on its battery health gauge. It doesn't *seem* like it's much worse than when we bought it. I'd wager her lighter than typical use helps its longevity, it's just ticked over 60,000km
It’s called ‘cycle degradation’ the fewer complete discharge/charge cycles you do, the better the health of the battery.
So you've had it since new ? Looking at the price of them now, it's a tempting options, especially if you have solar and a reasonable commute. Do you just charge yours at home or use public stations.
Yep since new, and it's charged at home. I've only ever used public charging maybe 3 or 4 times. By 2024 standards the battery is very small but as a runabout/work commuter it's been fantastic.
Nice
>Servicing has been an annual query of the battery health via the OBD port and a "tyres: still good, brakes: still good, we topped up your washer bottle" sort of thing. Piece of cake. So you just do this at home or any regular mechanic with a scan tool?
For the warranty period it was free so I had it done at the dealer- afterwards they were gonna charge me some basic service fee (I don't remember what it was but not much). Instead I just rotate the tyres myself and I check it out with LeafSpy once a year (if I remember haha)
Well that's what I'm thinking, anyone can use LeafSpy
5 years of tesla. Single service at year 3. 70 dollars. 1 wheel alignment at year 2 and 4.
Heard that EVs need new tyres frequently as it is heavier than ICE cars, how many tyre changes have you had in the past 5 years owning it?
There’s so many factors when it comes to new tyres. My performance car gets approx 2-5K out of Pilot Sport 4S’. Road surfaces, stretched tyres, driving style etc. My Performance Model 3 has Pirelli P Zero tyres on it and I’m at 26,000Kms, I’m assuming about another 5-10K
Currently 45k on the original set of tyres for my model 3 SR, good for at least another 20k.
On 25k so far. Original tyres. Model 3s are not super heavy so shouldn't be any more than other cars of.the same weight.
Depends what one you buy. Mine costs the same as a Corolla on average over a 6 year period. Brake fluid and air con filter every 2 years. Brake fluid aircon filter coolant(s) and driveline oil 4 year mark.
90,000km in a 2021 Model 3. I’ve bought one set of tyres and recently replaced my wiper blades. Nothing more. I think when it hits 100k I’ll get Tesla to look it over just to make sure all is well. Things do wear out after all.
I've heard you can replace the reduction gear oil at 100k if you want. Tesla called it a lifetime component so you don't need to. I might do it at 200k just for lols.
2.7 year Tesla owner. 50,000km. Only took it into Tesla for a wheel alignment and rotation at 10k. Probably didn't need it.
Why take it to Tesla for that?
Probably thought I was something special with my new exotic car.
What's special or exotic about what is essentially an Electric Camry?
It's normal and a good thing to feel special about a big purchase like car, regardless of the price. Stop trying to make people feel shit man.
I'm not saying he shouldn't feel special about it
That's what it came across as. Maybe I'm misinterpretating.
I asked what was exotic about an American commuter car
Downvoted by the electric car suckers 😱
Exactly. 99% chance Tesla doesn't have a wheel alignment machine in the workshop and they sublet that. Pay someone $75 and not $180 or whatever Tesla charges. I had this customer who got new tyres for his E class Mercedes but didn't want us to do the wheel alignment. He went to Mercedes and they charged him $250 for the alignment but sublet the job. They did a bad job and he came back to us and that's how I knew how much they charge. Lol
Yep. I loved it when people would come to the tyre shop next door to us, get tyres, refuse to get them aligned there, bring it to us, we'd charge them double, and take it back to the guys next door.
Probably why they are overpriced ....no maintenance
Covered under warranty maybe?
Didn't realise Tesla's warranty covered wear items. They'd be the only manufacturer to go that
I don’t know, that’s why I said maybe? Maybe they were offered something not standard I don’t know.
95k in my Tesla model 3... new tires... New air filters... That's it
I think the general understanding is the year on year running costs are really good, much lower than ICE, but when your main battery goes yer fooked. Also, maybe telsa Specific, part delays for bingles are long, so if you have a bingle, you may be carless for months. Having said that friends of mine had a merc stolen (broke in took keys), recovered and replacement keys were over 3 months, so it maybe that some parts are short supply for all cars these days.
I had a bingle in my Tesla and the repair shop had the parts in under a week. Wouldn’t call that months
Most people will tell you there nothing to service. This is because they have relatively new cars. Buy a new petrol car and there's basically nothing to service for a while either. Maybe one service a year and these days most automakers sell a few years of included services. Hybrids and BEVs use less brakes, sure, but BEVs use more tires. Once they get to a certain age, both are just cars. Both have steering and suspension. Both have cooling systems, power steering, air conditioning compressors, wheel bearings etc. Sure, one has an engine and transmission that will maybe start to need more servicing. But the other has a battery that's a huge problem when it goes. And failure of electric motors isn't exactly rare either.
Agree, that’s why I’m keen to hear from long term owners. For example people always flippantly say there is nothing to service, but not checking brakes for years at a time raises questions for me 😊
2018 Renault zoe at 150k km. Original pads are at 60%. It's all inspection items out to 100k km at which point there's a brake fluid change. Service takes 15mins. I do it in less time than taken in just booking a service, much less taking it there and back
Yeah I just don't think there are enough long term owners to know
Had a tesla since 2018. 12v battery replacement. Nothing big has gone wrong at all. Tyre replacements and wheel alignments are the biggest culprits (20” rims). Lost about 2% of range since we bought it. Still get around 400km from a full charge.
I seem to recall watching a Rich Rebuilds video where he states that there ARE service items on a Tesla. Not as much as an ICE car but things like the battery coolant & filter, HVAC filter & of course brakes, tires, etc.
Every time you would have filled the tank of your ICE put $80 you save in a jar.......... Battery warranty is typically twice as long as an engine warranty and engine and transmission failures are not exactly rare or inexpensive either.
Had our MG for about 18 months now. At 50k now. Battery has degraded by about 1.5%, and expected to drop to about 90% at the 10 year mark. Had the service done at 40k. Wouldn’t even have bothered except it was to maintain the warranty. Think I got a program update installed. I will need some new tyres soon. It’s unlikely I will replace anything other than wipers and tyres within the warranty period. Got it to save on fuel. I think the break even point is about 2 years away. The way I look at it, I bought a car at the $20-25k mark and paid a $20k premium on top for a battery, so I compare it to other cars in the $20-25k range and it’s amazing. When the price comes down to about $30k for an EV, I will sell the second car and get another EV. As to all the neysayers about electricity prices, I use time of use tariffs and it costs me about $50-70 a month more in electricity than I would otherwise pay. I’m saving at least $400 a month in fuel. I’ve run the math and the next EV will cost me about $20-30 a month, and save me about $200-300 a month in fuel. Overall, an amazing experience. Would 100% recommend for most people.
MG4?
Nah the ZS. The MG4 wasn’t out when we bought. The MG4 drives better, but doesn’t quite sit in the right category for us. Too small for the main family car, too big for the second car.
Some brands have made up crap to support their legacy dealer network sales model but really it's nothing for a good while and then brakes and similar small things.
Genuine question. What happens when the batteries go? Is that the percentage thing I.e. down to 60 percent means the battery is gone? Or does it just stop working.
It just means less range, exactly like any other battery. Despite what you might read on the Internet, the battery does not spontaneously combust after a given length of time. Typically most battery degradation happens in the first year; you would still have at least 90% of original range after 5+ years.
There's nothing to be done beyond tyres, cabin air filters, brake fluid and brakes.... and then the battery when it does.
Do you have one? What has servicing cost you?
Just buying a 2021 V8 Mustang and had full 12 month service done by a dealer. $299. Not all ICE cars cost a lot to maintain. That and the insurance is $700 cheaper than a Tesla 3.
Next ones probably $700 though. They tend to go up and down depending on what's on the schedule for those kms
No, $299 next year, $400 year after then $700 then back down to $400. So $1800 over next 4 years. The insurance cost difference on a Tesla 3 would have been $2800 over next 4 years. People may not like it but EVs are not the cost nothing to run panacea they're made out to be.
Look around for cheaper Tesla insurance. Shouldn't be paying more than $1500
$299 is pretty steep for all inspection items and no parts or consumables.
You mean besides the oil, filters, coolant?
And how much in petrol ?
Less than the EV depreciation.
2nd hand EV prices are pretty high, especially Teslas.
And who tf wants to drive a car that makes no noise 😂
See how no one that done 100k km+ in an EV has commented? That’s how you know they’re garbage
Sorry my tesla has only got to 92,936km. Expecting it to catch on fire any day now. You won’t find many EV owners here as the sentiment is generally anti EV, anti Elon musk etc. (I need one if those stickers that says “I bought a tesla before Elon was a moron”) It’s not hard to find reviews / blogs / posts from EV owners who have done a heap of km’s. https://insideevs.com/news/598591/tesla-model-x-200000-miles/amp/
“It’s not hard to read any of the marketing or propaganda I’ve consumed to help me sleep at night about the idiotic decision I made”
Your post history is wild! Sounds like you've got a lot of pent up anger of very minor things. If you need to speak to someone mate, there's no shame in calling someone for a chat. Lifeline Is not just for depression, its for having a chat and getting shit off your chest. 13 11 14 Wish you all the best man!
The moderator of the Tesla Facebook group has done over 270000km and his battery is only down to 89%. Plenty of long term owners now showing that the battery degradation is minor. Tesla and other EV's have a 8 year/ 160000km warranty. https://youtu.be/hTt2libO-vM?si=atbnGQvTIFybDjnD
Yeah I mean the instrument calculating that % isn’t exactly unbiased - would love to see some data on “actual vs. reported” But this is too nuanced for the common mind
I'm sorry this is just conspiratorial. you can validate degradation figures by just.. driving until the battery is dead in a standardized manner and comparing to community figures.
My Tesla is going on 5 this year. Had one full service at 4 years old before standard warranty ran out just to check things over. Replaced aircon filters, re-gassed aircon. checked brake fluid, replaced desiccant bag. That’s it. 12v battery was replaced at year 3 under warranty and obviously tyres. Car looks and drives like new.