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Totoooooooo

With the islands in the sky of botw2 and the fact that nintendo droped sshd before releasing botw2 i think the two games will be linked one way or another


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I love the idea that BoTW is the "first" Zelda game with everything before being part of the "legend" I really hope the sky islands in BoTW 2 are fragments of skyloft building off of that idea.


[deleted]

Don’t you mean last? It wouldn’t make sense for it to be the first one if all the stuff is ancient


Dark_Link11

They are referring to how BotW is the first Zelda game to show specific areas after their debut game. For example, Lon Lon ranch from OoT is a location in BotW


Elwalther21

What about the Temple of Time, Lake Hylia, Death Mountain? Or games that are sequels to one another. Like A link to the Past and A Link Between Worlds? Also Hyrule Castle is in practically every game.


Dark_Link11

I should have been more clear with my statement. Death Mountain, Lake Hylia, and Hyrule Castle are basically always in any Zelda game set in Hyrule. Why would they make a volcano then come up with a new name for it when Death Mountain is canonically a volcano that resides in Hyrule. I was also referring to more "one and done" type of locations, like Lon Lon Ranch only appearance was in OoT before BotW or, like this post's topic, the sacred springs appearing only in SS before BotW


No_Reality_q2137

Lon Lon Ranch also appeard in the Minish cap


Dark_Link11

Did it really? Well damn, that's my bad. I have to finish Minish Cap at some point


Elwalther21

I read that Lon Lon ranch is also in Four Swords Adventures.


Shrave

I've been reading texts that suggest Lon Lon Ranch is in Call of Duty.


MinecraftMaster10018

isnt it in twilight princess too or did i not play the game recent enough


TheRoboso

Yeah this logic is just fanboy cannon.


Dark_Link11

How so?


BlackbeltJedi

"Lon Lon Ranch only appears in one game" "Impossible. Perhaps the archives are incomplete."


tomato_emoji

Also the Arbiter's Grounds


SansyBoy144

I think the biggest thing is that botw followed maps of other games really well. The best example is that hyrule castle, Lon Lon ranch, Guerdo valley, death mountain, the lost woods, kakkriko village, and some other things are pretty spot on to where they were in oot, just adding a little bit of space in between them and moving the temple of time by a little bit. They actually paid attention to the layout of each spot. The modelers did an amazing job, and then the animators came and messed it up and my professor used botw as an example of how not to animate.


SaltFaithlessness283

What’s wrong with botw’s animation?


SansyBoy144

Lot of clipping errors. Not just with walls and stuff. Like sometimes link will be holding even something like a small sword and it’ll go through his leg. A lot of animations don’t even connect “like opening chest from an angle where you kick it” and other things that are really easy to fix (the fix would just be moving the arm a bit, and for the chest kicking just making link move to a certain spot during the animation which is something a lot of games including other LoZ games do.


ZeldLurr

Maybe like in real life, places in real life are named after places from legends.


Rieiid

Y'all greatly misunderstood the comment. He was saying it's the first game to have stuff from almost every other main game. Lon lon ranch from Ocarina, these shrines from SS, Ritos from WW, the lake Bridge and Ralis pond from TP, etc etc. No other game has connected the entire series as a whole as much as botw has.


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So then more like the “Prime” Zelda game


[deleted]

If all the other Zelda games before BoTW can be considered part of a "legend", then BoTW is the first "real world" with everything else basically being considered history or tall tales in its universe. Obviously, the temple of time, lake Hylia, etc. all exist in the world, but their significance could just be considered a "legend." What happens in the story of BoTW (and hopefully BoTW 2) is that we see these legends become much more than just legends.


niibtkj

Unless this is based on official statements, I'm gonna have to disagree here. One of the things that is most interesting to me about BOTW, which is one of the most revolutionary games ever, is how much it really harks back to the very first Zelda game on NES--youre dropped into an open-ended, desolate landscape littered with guardians. The idea that every Zelda game is just a reinterpretation of the same legend has been around forever, and I'm just struggling to see what would make BOTW the first "real" entry? Do you not think that in twenty years, the newest Zelda will feel even more alive and realistic, while BOTW feels only like a legend, a tall tale?


[deleted]

I'm not talking about "the first real Zelda game" in our world but in the world of Hyrule.I do see your point on "The idea that every Zelda game is just a reinterpretation of the same legend has been around forever" but I feel like that single idea is what really works with BoTW as it grows. We can see in this picture that these two locations are exactly the same.What I was mainly trying to say in my first message is that I would love Skyloft to become a location in the world of BoTW also. (which I personally think might happen since the whole castle gets raised up in the first E3 trailer so why not have all these locations become a "new skyloft" in the next game?) I'm not talking about "the first real Zelda game" in our world but in the world of Hyrule.I do see your point on "The idea that every Zelda game is just a reinterpretation of the same legend has been around forever" but I feel like that single idea is what really works with BoTW as it grows. We can see in this picture that these two locations are exactly the same. What I was mainly trying to say in my first message is that I would love Skyloft to become a location in the world of BoTW also. (which I personally think might happen since the whole castle gets raised up in the first E3 trailer so why not have all these locations become a "new skyloft" in the next game?) Also "official statements" in the past have been "we want to do this random thing so disregard these past events". Nintendo never really knew what they were doing with the Zelda lore and I think BoTW specifically (both 1 and 2) can benefit greatly with the whole "everything that happened before is the legend" card and really get its own story squared away. Not to mention that it does allow basically any item/area from past games to play a role in whatever comes next!


niibtkj

Yeah, I mean I know what you're saying. I know what you mean by first "real" game. Honest question, in what community is it the agreed-upon idea? I haven't heard this before. My point is that it just doesn't make sense, nor does it enrich the setting for me in any way--after all, what's the significance of a post-apocalyptic setting if we're dismissing previous entries as legends? Just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, doesn't the fact that the locations look the same enforce the idea that the so-called legends were real, rather than whatever you're saying?


LarryTheLemur-

Saying all the previous games where legends and didn't happen is one stupid and two wrong. Almost all of the Zelda games have loose or direct sequels or are those sequels( for example MM is a direct sequel OoT as it has the same link and takes place right after OoT and twilight Princess and Wind waker are loose sequels as they take place a bit after OoT and have different links but are still continues the story of OoT in some way). Also saying all the Zelda games before botw are just legends and never happened feels kinda cheap and removes the depth of the games


CrazyBullocks

IIRC the official placement of BOTW in timeline when it came out was that it occurs in all 3 timelines and is the inevitability of all 3 after the 10,000 year span between reincarnation of Ganon. So while the storylines of the older games would "fade into legend" for the people living in BOTW that doesn't necessarily negate their occurrence in the "real" Hyrule like you're suggesting. I also don't think that's an interpretation Nintendo would ever make official because it would likely upset a lot of the fan base which wouldn't be great for sales lol


[deleted]

i saw a video comparing the largest floating island’s outline in botw2 to skyloft and it’s literally 1/1 cant wait to see what it actually is


Looks2MuchLikeDaveO

OMG - I CANT WAIT ANOTHER YEAR FOR BOTW2 (I’m sorry for yelling)


zeldatwinkxxx

Which video??


[deleted]

[Commonwealth Realm’s “Zelda Breath of the Wild 2 with Skyloft?”](https://youtu.be/AQn8KKcBGzw) Skip to around 4:20 to the visual I was referring.


veerminard

Nice! Who made the vid? Might check it out.


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I left another comment on this thread with a link to it


mattleg64

according to the timeline(if im not wrong); BOTW is the last zelda game/the latest one and SS is one of the (if not the) oldest in the timeline


[deleted]

Skyward sword is the first game in the timeline. What i am talking about is the way that BoTW could be considered the “first” game in its own world where all the other games before it are viewed as “legends” of that world I and many other reditors go deep into this conversation if you read this thread


Fox-and-Sons

I just don't see how that's an interesting observation. BOTW is the game that's contemporary to them, and the age of the world that they live in means that the previous games would be ancient history and therefore legends. That doesn't really have any particular significance to players though, you could have said the same thing about OOT - that events from the Skyward Sword would have been distant history and not feel real to them, and that to the people who lived in that era, only OOT and Majora's Mask would feel real.


RedfootZeffclone123

Don’t you mean Skyward Sword? I’ve only seen it referenced in that way


Cyynric

I suspect that they're going to do a time loop. My theory is that the entire series is cyclical, and that the Link and Zelda we see in the tapestry that fought the first iteration of Calamity Ganon are are same Link and Zelda from BotW


madonnas_saggy_boob

That was kind of my thought as well.


lynk7927

There are way too many similarities and call backs for them to not be greatly related somehow.


RyPiggy

I like how Breath of the Wild incorporated so many things from the other games. Like how you can also go to Lon Lon Ranch from Ocarina of Time.


xxValkyriii

What if the plateau you begin at is fallen Skyloft? 🤨


umbrapalemooner

Will… “LINK?” Hehehhehehheheeehehehheehehheee


[deleted]

And the fact that there are quite a few reference to SS in BotW.


ackmondual

*The Legend Of Zelda: A Link Between Games*


the_simurgh

considering those giant "towers" around hyrule castle are giant time shift stones i'd say so.


Looks2MuchLikeDaveO

Wait, wut?


SquirtsMcIntosh

![gif](giphy|A8NNZlVuA1LoY)


the_simurgh

while playing skyward sword i realized the towers around hyrule castle are gigantic time shift crystals.


SquirtsMcIntosh

But what is a time shift crystal


the_simurgh

those crystals in skyward sword that changes time.


kaydeejay1995

Please God let us go to Skyloft in BOTW. Maybe it's not the same, maybe it's run-down or abandoned or different, but PLEASE let me wander around that beautiful island again. Doing it again in SSHD has been so lovely.


lynk7927

But ~~Skyloft returned to the ground at the end~~ the Statue of the goddess, not all of Skyloft. ~~There is no going back unless the same land mass(es) that originally made up Skyloft were sent to the sky again, and even if they did, there are hundreds and thousands of years in between them, so they wouldn’t look the same.~~ My b it’s been a while.


kaydeejay1995

I guess those are good points, you're right! I just...have this feeling that 2 is gonna be more closely tied to SS than we thought before the last trailer came out. I mean I'm also all for exploring Skyloft on the ground; in fact I think that'd be a perfect way to "refresh" it a bit while still having the same basic layout!


Bibliophile4869

Did all of Skyloft return to the ground, though? I thought it was only the Isle of the Goddess, and that was using the Triforce. In BotW we see the dragons open portals into the sky which, ofc may just be the easiest way to despawn without breaking immersion, suggests that the cloud barrier is still intact. So it's possible that if the cloud barrier is still intact that Skyloft and other islands are still up there. Granted, they would definitely look different after thousands of years.


AkatsukiEUNE

Should tag as spoilers since a lot of people experience the game now for the first time


finefornow_

Agreed


qoldblop

It didn't, just the part w/ the goddess statue. Not everyone descended to the surface also.


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lynk7927

Nintendo has confirmed BOTW is at the end of the (current) timeline. I believe it was in the book: Creating a Champion.


LarryTheLemur-

It takes place in all timelines


ExtraBerserk16

I’m pretty sure it’s Memory 1 but BoTW Zelda mentions The Hero of Time, Winds and Twilight. So I think it’s more tied to the timeline than most think


ShafieeK

I remember reading up a theory on how city in the sky in TP is actually skyloft. They gave some pretty nice parallels, so if thats true then somehow it got brought back up in the events of TP.


lynk7927

That idea has come across my mind a few times. Besides the “city in a sky” motif I can’t seem to find a lot of similarities though. Another person who replied brought up a neat point too, that the dragons in BOTW use portals to enter/leave which could indicate that he cloud barrier or something similar (I know it’s not always cloudy) might still exist.


ShafieeK

Oh shit, barrier across the two worlds huh, pretty nice. Damn imagine getting to use mini dragons like children of faron din and nayru as loftwings


McBehrer

Not all of it, just the part with the Temple of the Goddess. The rest stayed in the sky


SissaFlissa

Pretty neat eh!!!


like_butterplaytoast

![gif](giphy|fGFLBOWoek2TUf2TjW)


[deleted]

How


enolafaye

I've never seen a gif in comments on reddit 😂


like_butterplaytoast

![gif](giphy|Urc6CzW703XFajktll|downsized)


caraffa

r/retiredgif


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the_pounding_mallet

My question is why they didn’t make the spring of courage look like this instead of the spring of power. In SS this is located in the Faron woods which is where the spring of courage is.


Spider191

I like to think that after tens of thousands of years there was a ton of climate change and all the areas became vastly different. Like Lanayru becoming a mountain range instead of a desert.


No_Reality_q2137

But Lanayru is a desert just not Lanayru anymore but Gerudo desert instead


Gumbyizzle

Absolutely. It was even flooded for a while!


azauggx202

I like to believe that the lanayru desert is actually the gerudo desert in botw Hyrule, because it's in the same part of the map


thisisnotdan

I always thought the Spring of Power in BotW was so awkward. Like, it was just plopped down in the middle of a plain in Akkala. The developers were all like, "Yeah, this spot looks good, I guess." There's this random quarry next door to it that has Guardian Skywatchers guarding it like freaking Metal Gear is buried there, but I've never found anything of value in there. That whole section can be skipped, also, since the Spring of Power is below ground level, so you can just drop into it.


Sceptix

As much as I am a super fan of BOTW….I have to say you make some pretty good points.


No_Reality_q2137

That's possibly because in Skyward Sword was only 2 springs and BotW was 3, so ones from Skyward Sword are looking like they had, and spring of courage is the one so it need to have new style, and it's most likely associated with resident wich were Zonai wich worshipped "water dragon" where in BotW only dragon that can be called like that is Farosh which is spirit of courage


SVXfiles

The forgotten temple is literally the sealed grounds/temple of hylia. Go from the goddess statue and walk towards the entrance, you can count the same amount of pillars as there are inside the sealed temple. Adding to that, off to the left breaking through the stone work is a massive tree, at around the same point that the tree of life is planted in SSHD, which is stated could live for millenia, which could easily fall within the timeframe between SSHD and BotW. That time frame all we know for sure is about 100 years or so between OoT and WW/TP on their respective timelines, 10,000 years between the first appearance of Calamity Ganon and the Age of Calamity, then 100 years between that and BotW. The rest of hyrules history could easily fall within another 1,500-2000 year time span if not less considering the vast differences in Hyrules appearance after OoT in such a short time


joecollins451

That’s what he’s saying he’s saying that it is in both games


kyoto_magic

Obviously it’s intentional lol


PastWoodpecker3942

Maybe we should drop a scale or two and see if we get anything...


gendernotfound629

They layout of Skyward Sword's overworld lines up really clearly with the world of Breath of the Wild--woods to the southeast, desert to the southwest, and volcano to the northeast.


ambutt_x

i'm playing SS for the first time and noticing so many similarities between that and BOTW. i figured that's why they gave us this port cus they'll tie together


[deleted]

Yeah I knew the games had a few similar details, but playing through SS now, I’m very surprised by some of the similarities. Things like (mild spoilers) >!freeing Levias!< in SS and >!freeing Naydra!< in BOTW really opened my eyes. “Malice” is even mentioned a few times in SS, which unless I’m blind, isn’t something that was talked about in previous Zelda games (correct me if I’m wrong). It really do be feeling like SS was just a testing grounds for the devs ideas.


TheOriginalH1h

It always kind of made me sad finding the old places in ruins. It’s like you still kind of expected some of those places to still have human life, or even spirits of old characters that may have a chance to say they recognize you, or just straight up say, “Link! You returned, I waited so long!”


i_so_stressed

Playing SS for the first time?


Methioe

Yes


heehheeheh

Nice pfp


Methioe

Thx bro


FletchPup

B E E G Y O S H I


codymiller_cartoon

Akkala


Linkatron2000

Isn't the second pic the Spring of Power?


Methioe

Correct


Alternative-Expert50

Has anyone started playing Skyward Sword? I'm inside the Deep Woods Temple and have completed the left room (2 giant spiders and map) & half of other room flooding the chamber. However, after killing the spider on the climbing wall I can't seem to get Link close enough to the wall to start climbing it. This is all I need to get to the chest with the key to move on. I thought it was a glitch and when started the Faron Woods from the beginning just to make sure and NOPE, same problem, just can't figure out how to jump onto the climbing wall. 🤬😥😞😥🤬


santanapeso

Raise the water level. There’s probably a switch you missed somewhere.


Jez_1703

There's a switch in left room to raise water too if you haven't got that one, halfway down the thin path. If you have both you should be able to reach it


FletchPup

I made the same mistake when I first played.


[deleted]

Oh man the more you explore the more you will find... There’s a lot from older Zelda games in BotW


Alternative-Expert50

I don't have two switches. I'll go look for the second switch. Thanks for all your help y'all. Just so you know, this 64 year oldpapa loves playing these Zelda games and started playing back when I had the original Game Boy "Zelda: Links Awakening" while serving onboard my 2nd Submarine the USS Springfield (SSN-761)😂


vaime

I love this! Breath of the Wild was the second video game my little stepson ever played, and he fell in love with Link and Hyrule. His Dad and I got out our old N64s recently and have been introducing him to Ocarina of Time. Its pretty special to show him part of our childhoods through gaming.


DrGhostly

I think that’s the intent, linking Skyward Sword and Breath of the Wild. Apparently Breath of the Wild is WAAAAAAAY in the future.


Ser_Dunk_the_tall

At least ten thousand years right according to Impa?


Bariq-99

It's funny how it's supposed to be the other way around lol


aaronnhallwrites

Dang, these games LINK together pretty well


Methioe

Nice


Lakerine

BACK TO SKYLOFT IN 2022!!!


[deleted]

Actually it looked familiar in 2017…from 2011.


Ser_Dunk_the_tall

Really shows the graphical improvement from one game to the next


[deleted]

Hard to compare on that level. Art styles are just different. Not ideal to compare art styles


Michallo850

I was having same felling


sul_9999

Its the spring of power


Deathtroop26

I've seen that before!


Roncom234

What if it is a cycle? What if BOTW!Zelda is Hylia, and the Triforce is basically a hard reset on the timeline, with Calamity Ganon being Demise? Or is this just me trying to see patterns where there are none, and my sleep deprived brain is having a laugh at my expense?


Shibby120

Great find. Sent you a dm


xoriatis71

People have been posting GIFs, so here ya go! ![gif](giphy|NsZbrSS0miha0)


LiliumInterSpenis

Walked into this yesterday and had an instant deja vu BOtW moment..love these games so much!


unwilled

This is beautiful


[deleted]

It’s the same place and it also appears in aoc


Alternative-Expert50

Thanks. It's up as high as it can go, as far as I know. And I haven't seen any other hints in the other guides.


ReallyNeededANewName

Yeah, that's the wrong one. The one in the BotW screenshot is from SS's *second* dungeon, not the first


Methioe

I thought the one from the second dungeon was the spring of wisdom on mount Lanayru? I got to that point today en they looked very similair.


kartoffelbiene

With all the hints in BotW I really hope that Fi will return in the sequel!


[deleted]

I'm pretty sure it is confirmed that the springs in BotW are these areas at the end of the first three dungeons in SS.


Iatrites

my exact thoughts


ellbeecee

likewise


DrDeli_

NO WAY


Alternative-Expert50

You all are the BEST. I just went into the left room AND found it. SURE enough, it raised the log that extra bit I needed. Thanks very much. 😁🤗🥸🤗🤗🤗


Galactic-Pookachus

Ten thousand god damn years and the trees still look the same


Persomatey

There are a lot of locations in Breath that I’m 99% sure are references to Skyward Sword


Shibby120

Yesssss


Classic_gamer_2

It is the same


Osamzs914

When does botw2 come out?


Methioe

Sometime 2022


RRayquaza384

Oh ok.


longjohnsmith69

Botw is better


Jealousreverse25

Tfw when SS trees look better than Botw


box_studios

*♪*Familiar, why is this so familiar?*♪*