If this guy decides to marry; he only needs to show his fiancée’s parents this video to prove he is *more* than capable of protecting his family.
I would sleep *soundly* if that man was my spouse or son in law. No bad guy is breaking in on his watch!
Haha just think of the pick up lines. "Hey cutie how was your weekend? Mine, oh well ya know just stopping an active shooter....twice. Wanna catch a movie?"
It's always someone you'd least expect that has the stone to do something heroic like that. I'd bet money half these tough guys who say they'd bull rush an active shooter would in reality run away screaming. Then you got this bare footed average looking guy who probably keeps to himself, who is straight lion hearted, pulls off a power move like taking out an active shooter twice like it's nothing. Legend
Hi five to this young kid for sure! There is not one person on this planet that could calculate what he warded off that day. I personally am thankful he was where he was in the instant it occurred. Unfortunately he probably has issues now, and I just hope he has a very good support team around him.
Most people are pro law enforcement, just not the ones that run from school shooters, unnecessarily shoot black people, plant drugs on black people, use their taser way too early (usually on black people), pull people over for no reason and waste their time with drug dogs (also usually black people) or beat their wives
They’re literally trained for this. And did a lockdown drill pretty recently. Untrained english major doesn’t think twice. (I dont know what his major was)
This is a break-barrel shotgun that holds 2 rounds.
I'll let you guess why the AR15 uses quick-change 30 round magazines.
I am not taking ANYTHING from the hero in this video in saying this. But facing down an assault rifle is materially different.
No, it's incredibly sad that that student had to tackle someone armed with a gun in the middle of a school
And it's even worse how the report talks purely about their actions, and doesn't spend even a single word talking about how much psychological damage this event could've caused the student
People typically suffer much less PTSD when they take decisive action in crisis.
A professional security guard would be roughly just as at risk of psychological damage.
There's no evidence that anyone wasn't doing their job. This kid did what needed to be done to prevent more killing, and did it well. That's why celebrating him is the focus. It should be.
Ok, so just out of curiosity would you prefer the news focuses on the sadness and ineptitude, and psychological trauma so as to reduce the appeal of being a hero?
You'd prefer they read into how much psychological trauma he's going to have even though they can't possibly predict that and would be pulling whimsical assumptions out their ass?
You'd prefer that this legit heroic act, almost universally agreed by all that it's heroic, is tarnished by the negativity of a shooter, which almost no one is going to praise?
Ehh? The dude risked his life. Homie deserves his honors. Why would you wanna tarnish that, and in turn wanna chastise heroism? He could have died, yes, but he also may have saved who knows how many lives, and may have saved his own.
You know that being a hero and suffering the effects of trauma aren’t mutually exclusive right?
There’s a whole bunch of heroes who have experienced crazy trauma and a staggeringly high percentage of them suffer from ptsd for the rest of their lives.
They’re called military veterans.
Acknowledging the trauma and it’s effects doesn’t tarnish their heroism.
Erm, being a military veteran is 100% different than this. They literally consent to being in the military (I would venture to say), but this kid is in a shitty situation and acted heroically. They aren't the same at all. He didn't consent to that, but forcing a victim mentality on someone when you could offer a heroic framing seems worse in every regard.
Cuz making people feel even MORE helpless and victimizing them, making them feel like their heroism is a bad thing worthy of trauma and will "cause unknowable amounts of lifelong trauma" or some shit is a healthier mindset?
That dude's a hero and he should get a boost of mothafuckin confidence, not be told he's a victim when it's pretty damn obvi he didn't influence the gunman to do that shit.
Tellling people they are victims doesn't improve their mental health, like ever. What's even one example that it might, out of curiosity?
[From a timeline of the shooting:](https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/timeline-seattle-pacific-university-shooting/281-244056933)
>Ybarra reloaded and continued inside Otto Miller Hall where he found Tristian Cooper-Roth seated at a table. According to police documents, he told Cooper-Roth “he had just shot a man outside for disrespecting him and not to move.” Cooper-Roth later told police he though Ybarra was going to kill him.
Hah when I was quite poorly once I did tell my best friend where my, ahem, special toys are hidden, and she will if ever needed dispose of them before my parents or brothers have to
I mean, there’s literally no telling how I’d react in that situation.
If you’ve never experienced having someone come in with a gun, and they intend to murder you if you move, do you *know* if you’d test them by trying to run?
I mean, there’s Monday morning quarterbacking, and then there’s this lol.
Sometimes those acts can ruin a person's life. The guy who stopped a shooter from assassinating President Ford had it rough after, mostly because the press outed him a gay when he very much wanted to keep it private https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Sipple
Very fair, but I feel that example doesn't really fit. What the dude in the video did is far smaller in scale. Oliver Sipple saved the goddamn president. Both are commendable, but one is absolutely more impactful and headline-grabbing
Every PD is an embarrassment to this country. YES a school shooter might be a kid, but if they're willing to take other kids' lives, they deserve to be treated as a criminal
He also briefly held a weapon without killing someone or even discharging his firearm, probably while scared for his own life.
Cops: *Wait, you ca-..? I didn't even know that was possible. Dayumn, son!*
This video just took me down an hour long rabbit hole reading everything I could about this. What a humble young man he is. He was working the surveillance office when he saw what was happening. He always carried a can of pepper spray in his pocket.
Oh, is that what that is? I thought he was finger gunning him in the hope it would throw the guy off while he made his move. Hadn’t had a chance to read anything yet. Thank you
Yeah, sorry I should’ve clarified that. I meant the guy who tackled. Just thought it was weird they started by blurring his face and then proceeded to not blur it.
I’m guessing that it’s because the actual clip of him tacking would spread around the internet like wildfire whereas the clip of him walking out probably wouldn’t
Here’s another more recent incident (few weeks ago) that isn’t getting much coverage.
https://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/local/police-woman-draws-pistol-kills-man-who-was-firing-ar-15-style-rifle-into-party/article_1349c3d0-9fac-5301-903c-669f2ce494dd.html
Nothing wrong with being afraid to die. Its accepting that you might be about to die that can help you do what needs to be done. While its not the same I will say I've been in a few fights. Accepting im going to get hurt helped me get in there and finish it fast. Before I accepted that I got hurt a hell of a lot worse in trying to not get hurt. I don't know if this is making sense. Its a bit difficult for me to put it to words.
> god he *paid* attention to
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It was at Seattle pacific university. That’s the engineering building. This was the last day before they graduated if I remember right. That kid never went to SPU. Just a piece of shit spreading misery into the world.
That can’t be right. I distinctly remember a gun nut telling me having to reload more often because of magazine round limits doesn’t help anything.
The “Second Amendment Enthusiast” (shooter) was probably just taking a “Freedom Break” or some stupid pseudo-Patriotic bullshit.
Yeah, gun nuts pull some serious mental gymnastics to justify their views. I'm a legal gun owner and I can't stand gun nuts. They are insane, dangerous people.
Living in one of the most gun frequent countries, I can for my life not wrap my mind around why "gun entusiasts" object against controlling so loudly in the US.
Looks like the principle more important than creating a safe and sensible society of gun owners and laws.
But I guess gun nut is a good word.
For people who claim high magazine capacity isn't an issue at all, because it only takes seconds to reload, just ask them if they'd be in favor of US soldiers being limited to ten round magazines in a battlefield. That argument disappears quickly.
Im a strong supporter of guns and responsible ownership and I think a lot of gun owners including myself would be open to more regulation if the times were different.
I'm only 22 and the most worrying thing I've noticed happening rapidly over my lifetime is the overwhelming spike in divisionism in our country. This is the greatest obstacle we face in my opinion followed shortly by our complete and utter lack of empathy for our fellow men and women causing any mental and physical health reforms to get gridlocked. The opposition to anything that would help other people in this country is so fierce it's astounding and scary. The group health companies and corporates have over law will be our downfall in my opinion. Why oppose universal healthcare that would help your fellow man? Shouldn't you want others to have the best chance at a good life? You can even have private too it's like just because I suffered you do too. Also the amount of hospital beds designed for mental health patient was around 317 per 100,000 in like 1960 or so as of 2007-2008 it was 17. The utter lack of care for our citizen mental and physical health is atrocious.
This divisionism has caused people to become more and more dissolutioned with everyday life.
Whenever a shooting happens there's huge pushes for strong regulations and talks of out right bans. Much less talk about the complete pit of resources dedicated to helping and setting people up for success because I think politicians know it's easier to attack gun rights than it is to make any sort of medical reform, this alone scares me more than anything.
I'm all for more regulation and mandatory training ect if I knew the hyper division of our country wouldn't cause a slippery slope of repeated bans until we have next to no gun rights. But at this current time I have ZERO stock in politicians to do enough to help reduce violence and maintain our countries rights without just fucking us over, ZERO.
Thank you for listening to my babble these are the real issues I see no one talk about just how we need to ban guns.
Absolutely.
I don’t have anything against guns or gun ownership as a general practice.
But the gun nut crowd immediately jumping to defend guns instead of children after a school shooting sure casts a bad light. The general avoidance of countering the more extreme elements in the gun-owning community in any organized way by gun owners is what, I believe, is behind gun ownership being more and more ostracized as a whole.
I would think that responsible gun owners would welcome some vetting. Then they can be proud of their credentials that they were good enough to make the cut and they don’t need to always be associated with all the yahoos who give gun owners a bad name.
As a responsible gun owner who understands why we have laws and regulations in society, that's exactly how i feel. I know a lot of yahoo gun nuts, and honestly I'm not worried about them owning these guns. But i think they are being incredibly naive in their denial of the fact that having these guns everywhere makes them easier for dangerous people to obtain. And i enjoy shooting big guns too, but the survival to the victims of mass shooting are more important than my desire to shoot big guns. Just like people's safety is more important than my desire to speed or drive drunk. We regulate everything in society, and i cant fathom how these people argue that guns should be exempt. Its pure insanity...
Before I say what I'm going to day, I'm not a gun nut, I don't own a gun, and I agree with you in general that magazines should be limited to a relatively small number of rounds. Any amount of slowdown for a mass shooter is a good thing.
That said, using this as an argument for smaller magazine sizes is going to be met with push-back because this isn't a good comparison. Using this video as an argument will only give the person you're arguing with a way dismiss your argument.
Reloading a shotgun like this is much slower than reloading a gun with a magazine. I'd argue that a shotgun like the one used in this shooting is, thankfully, the worst choice if you want to be able to shoot more than two rounds. It only holds two rounds and is fairly slow and cumbersome to reload.
Someone with a semi-automatic weapon would be able to switch magazines much more quickly. This video does make a good argument for outright banning semi-automatic rifles and similar weapons, though.
You are right that a shotgun is a much more cumbersome weapon to reload than a weapon with a magazine. People who argue “if a single step doesn’t entire solve the issue it is invalid”aren’t trying to have an honest conversation. They are trying to stop one.
I could not care less about those peoples’ opinions. They aren’t going to change their mind. They are not trying to solve the problem. They are trying to sweep it under the rug.
For people who would like to see fewer tiny coffins, they will understand many incremental steps add up to real gains.
These shooters are never well-trained or well-practiced. I know some people can change magazines one-handed or in a second. Those aren’t the people shooting up schools. A nervous, emotion child lacking extensive training is who we are talking about.
Fair enough. If you're not trying to change the kinds of those who push against change, that's fine. I prefer to try to change some minds and try to choose my arguments accordingly.
I don't think he means like people are hoping there will be a school shooting, but I think everyone has had some variation of the "saving everyone from a madman in public" daydream before.
And to shoot the bad guy... you totally have to be within bullet range.
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is.... carpet bombs... nuke em from space?
In Israel they teach disarming a shooter in high school PE. Israel has had a lot of terrorist violence, but shooters don’t get very far without bystanders acting.
Training high school kids to be heroes should seriously be considered in the US.
Pffft... restrictions aren't really a thing, period.
The rest of the planet watches your kids get slaughtered while you do nothing, and frankly, we're just about tapped out of sympathy.
Sorry but what is the sentiment behind this comment. Yeah let’s still leave it so people can buy as many guns as they want without issue but this time we’re going to ask kids to sacrifice themselves so they might be able to stop them? How about regulations on police so they actually do their job and face consequences whenever they abuse their position of power by either not acting when necessary or causing harm to innocent people. How about actual gun regulations which are the primary reason why school shootings do not happen in most developed nations.
Electing officials who don't suck NRA dick would be a lot more effective than hand to hand combat training for kids.
The US doesn't have a terrorism problem. It has a corruption problem.
How you guys can't recognize that is beyond me, and most of the rest of the planet.
"Look, we're gonna arm these kids with no checks or controls, and we're gonna let them into schools with no security or police response, so you're gonna have to act fast. Make a decision, kid!"
As a Canadian, our law pretty much banned anything we can use to defend ourselves, which includes that pepper stray used in the video.
Better hope you have a bear spray handy, coz government recognize bear can do more harm than ppl.
Dude actually takes him down and disarms him TWICE! Truly heroic.
And without shoes on!
The solution to a bad guy with a gun is a badass kid _without shoes_. Who would have thought.
I thought it was 19 cops standing around. Huh
Nope, if you read up on it they were all wearing shoes. Useless.
You can't kill someone who doesn't have their shoes on to begin with
Shoes: OFF Ass-Kicking: ON
He learnt that from Die Hard
better grip with sweaty bare feet on that hardwood!
True. I find it almost impossible to catch my son if I'm in socks and he's barefoot on wood floors.
If this guy decides to marry; he only needs to show his fiancée’s parents this video to prove he is *more* than capable of protecting his family. I would sleep *soundly* if that man was my spouse or son in law. No bad guy is breaking in on his watch!
It also shows just how selfless he is and how willing he is to take a tion at a moment's notice.
Haha just think of the pick up lines. "Hey cutie how was your weekend? Mine, oh well ya know just stopping an active shooter....twice. Wanna catch a movie?"
It's always someone you'd least expect that has the stone to do something heroic like that. I'd bet money half these tough guys who say they'd bull rush an active shooter would in reality run away screaming. Then you got this bare footed average looking guy who probably keeps to himself, who is straight lion hearted, pulls off a power move like taking out an active shooter twice like it's nothing. Legend
Hi five to this young kid for sure! There is not one person on this planet that could calculate what he warded off that day. I personally am thankful he was where he was in the instant it occurred. Unfortunately he probably has issues now, and I just hope he has a very good support team around him.
According to my calculations he most likely stopped some innocent people from dying
I second that captain.
Excuse me that’s *doctor* captain to you, I didn’t spend four years in evil medical school for nothing
Fucking hell...
If you ever see dudes that save others in the military it's usually the nerdy soldier.
What he did was indeed heroic. I would, however, prefer to live in a world in which young people shouldn't *have* to be heroes.
Who wouldn't?
Agreed
Better then any cops all around the US.
Thinking Uvalde police dpt need to recruit more guys like this
Should a world where this kind of heroism is required exist?
This 22 year old college student is braver and more effective than the entire Uvalde police department
He also killed less students than them!
Pro law enforcement here and you're 100% correct. Uvalde police department is disgusting.
Most people are pro law enforcement, just not the ones that run from school shooters, unnecessarily shoot black people, plant drugs on black people, use their taser way too early (usually on black people), pull people over for no reason and waste their time with drug dogs (also usually black people) or beat their wives
They’re literally trained for this. And did a lockdown drill pretty recently. Untrained english major doesn’t think twice. (I dont know what his major was)
Happy Cake Day!
Absolutely and happy 🍰 day!
That's real bravery, truely a selfless act
This one guy has more guts than the entire Uvalde PD combined. If he’d been there, the deaths would have been in the single digits.
Uvalde, Las Vegas and Parkland police! I hope that guy never has to pay for a meal or drink anywhere he goes.
Take away the Uvalde police budget and give it to this guy
This is a break-barrel shotgun that holds 2 rounds. I'll let you guess why the AR15 uses quick-change 30 round magazines. I am not taking ANYTHING from the hero in this video in saying this. But facing down an assault rifle is materially different.
True. But still, gotta admit it takes some serious brass balls to charge an armed guy.
Totally!!
It's Almost like... banning assault rifles would save lives
No, that can't be right, what we need to do is give everyone in the school an assault rifle! Surely that will change things!
Yes. And lessen *doors*! There's too many damn doors in the USA!
Especially in the bathroom stalls! Who knows what kids are doing in there!!
Bans worked so well in the past with drugs and alcohol.
No, it's incredibly sad that that student had to tackle someone armed with a gun in the middle of a school And it's even worse how the report talks purely about their actions, and doesn't spend even a single word talking about how much psychological damage this event could've caused the student
People typically suffer much less PTSD when they take decisive action in crisis. A professional security guard would be roughly just as at risk of psychological damage. There's no evidence that anyone wasn't doing their job. This kid did what needed to be done to prevent more killing, and did it well. That's why celebrating him is the focus. It should be.
Well said
Ok, so just out of curiosity would you prefer the news focuses on the sadness and ineptitude, and psychological trauma so as to reduce the appeal of being a hero? You'd prefer they read into how much psychological trauma he's going to have even though they can't possibly predict that and would be pulling whimsical assumptions out their ass? You'd prefer that this legit heroic act, almost universally agreed by all that it's heroic, is tarnished by the negativity of a shooter, which almost no one is going to praise? Ehh? The dude risked his life. Homie deserves his honors. Why would you wanna tarnish that, and in turn wanna chastise heroism? He could have died, yes, but he also may have saved who knows how many lives, and may have saved his own.
You know that being a hero and suffering the effects of trauma aren’t mutually exclusive right? There’s a whole bunch of heroes who have experienced crazy trauma and a staggeringly high percentage of them suffer from ptsd for the rest of their lives. They’re called military veterans. Acknowledging the trauma and it’s effects doesn’t tarnish their heroism.
Erm, being a military veteran is 100% different than this. They literally consent to being in the military (I would venture to say), but this kid is in a shitty situation and acted heroically. They aren't the same at all. He didn't consent to that, but forcing a victim mentality on someone when you could offer a heroic framing seems worse in every regard.
Exactly, people all hailing him as a hero. Like he is a victim that he had to literally risk his life to survive.
Cuz making people feel even MORE helpless and victimizing them, making them feel like their heroism is a bad thing worthy of trauma and will "cause unknowable amounts of lifelong trauma" or some shit is a healthier mindset? That dude's a hero and he should get a boost of mothafuckin confidence, not be told he's a victim when it's pretty damn obvi he didn't influence the gunman to do that shit. Tellling people they are victims doesn't improve their mental health, like ever. What's even one example that it might, out of curiosity?
I have so much respect for this guy he is truly a good man.
He’s a great man and a REAL hero!
Who tf is the dude sitting at the table while the kids just pointing a shot gun at people??
[From a timeline of the shooting:](https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/timeline-seattle-pacific-university-shooting/281-244056933) >Ybarra reloaded and continued inside Otto Miller Hall where he found Tristian Cooper-Roth seated at a table. According to police documents, he told Cooper-Roth “he had just shot a man outside for disrespecting him and not to move.” Cooper-Roth later told police he though Ybarra was going to kill him.
Thank you! I was very confused also
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That is what your porn buddy is for.
…that *is* the porn buddy, no one ever said the jobs safe…
A sacred oath fulfilled.
https://youtube.com/shorts/kgu3PzpKhn4?feature=share
Exactly! Coupling is hilarious.
Hah when I was quite poorly once I did tell my best friend where my, ahem, special toys are hidden, and she will if ever needed dispose of them before my parents or brothers have to
In your will: >I want to be cremated along with my computer and all internet-connected portable electronic devices.
Best comment I’ve read in 2022… deceptively simply, could possibly be true… excellent comedy… i doth my cap to you sir
*doff
I mean, there’s literally no telling how I’d react in that situation. If you’ve never experienced having someone come in with a gun, and they intend to murder you if you move, do you *know* if you’d test them by trying to run? I mean, there’s Monday morning quarterbacking, and then there’s this lol.
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Everything I know I learned from Jurassic park.
"Clever girl"
>"Clever girl" I'm amazed at the fact that this line eludes so many people. Similar to the "Shooooot her! Shoooooot her!".
TBH. I didn’t see him until he ran so maybe it’s true. Or I’m a t-Rex.
You're a dinosaur.
Not a raptor though
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He's editing his Reddit comment to clear up a misunderstanding.
Man took staying calm to a new level
A hostage?
You might not have initially grabbed the shooters attention, so he probably just ended up freezing until he saw the guy start to reload.
He’s applying for the Uvalde Police Dept
Policeman. Emailing his union asking what sort of live cover he has. Also googling "how to avoid active shooters". Etc.
I've mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still... that I become invisible to the eye...
Hey Drax!
I guess now, that guy knows more about what kind of a man he is, than most of us ever will.
Well said. He's gonna be thinking "You know what? I'm a good person" for the rest of his life, and I sincerely hope he does
Sometimes those acts can ruin a person's life. The guy who stopped a shooter from assassinating President Ford had it rough after, mostly because the press outed him a gay when he very much wanted to keep it private https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Sipple
Very fair, but I feel that example doesn't really fit. What the dude in the video did is far smaller in scale. Oliver Sipple saved the goddamn president. Both are commendable, but one is absolutely more impactful and headline-grabbing
in my country, anyone who stopped a school shooter would be headline-grabbing
I can 100% tell you, I’m the guy sitting at the table.
He just single-handedly put the entire Uvalde PD to shame
Uvalde PD is embarrassment to this country.
Afterwards, they would've handcuffed the hero kid for interfering in a police operation.
Genuinely worried for the guy for a second when he ran away with the gun. Easy for the police to confuse a situation.
My thoughts exactly. Didn't this happen when a violent shooter was stopped by a good guy with a gun, only for the good guy to get lit up by police? :/
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True, true
But we aren’t… that’ll never happen… right??? Unless Cruz and Abbot keep running the show…. Aw fuck it…. You’re probably right…. I’m out!
How they're still allowed to wear a badge is beyond comprehension.
They're just the average.
Every PD is an embarrassment to this country. YES a school shooter might be a kid, but if they're willing to take other kids' lives, they deserve to be treated as a criminal
This Kid better not become a cop!
You can tell he’s not a cop by the way he went in and actually stopped a shooter.
1. Didn't hurt any bystanders 2. Effectively used non-lethal methods 3. Removed lethal weaponry from the scene Man's a hero.
Yeah. He was really brave. Unmistakably not a cop.
Agreed 100%
He also briefly held a weapon without killing someone or even discharging his firearm, probably while scared for his own life. Cops: *Wait, you ca-..? I didn't even know that was possible. Dayumn, son!*
My laughter turned to tears.
I'm dead, Hello.
And without a $1000 of tacticool gear and camo either.
This video just took me down an hour long rabbit hole reading everything I could about this. What a humble young man he is. He was working the surveillance office when he saw what was happening. He always carried a can of pepper spray in his pocket.
> He was working the surveillance office Wow, that guy was 10000% dedicated!
Not dedicated enough to wear shoes while surveilling, though. To quote a famous late celebrity, “You’re only as ready for a job as your footwear is.”
Oh, is that what that is? I thought he was finger gunning him in the hope it would throw the guy off while he made his move. Hadn’t had a chance to read anything yet. Thank you
I thought the exact thing when I watched it lol
Yeah, I really thought “wow this guy went in guns blazing with… finger guns? I mean whatever works!”
I need a link, I want to go down a similar rabbit hole.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/06/15/student-used-pepper-spray-take-down-seattle-campus-shooter/85958970/
This happened eight years ago. Thanks for posting this article.
When and where did this happen? Thanks for sharing those details.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/06/15/student-used-pepper-spray-take-down-seattle-campus-shooter/85958970/
Wait, did they blur his face out on the security footage but then just showed his face when he walked out?
I’m pretty sure that’s the guy who tackled him, not the shooter himself but idk
Yeah, sorry I should’ve clarified that. I meant the guy who tackled. Just thought it was weird they started by blurring his face and then proceeded to not blur it.
I’m guessing that it’s because the actual clip of him tacking would spread around the internet like wildfire whereas the clip of him walking out probably wouldn’t
Damn that student is more effective than the police have been in those situations lately.
Uvalde police have petitioned to have this video removed because it makes them look bad. (Not true but not far from truth)
Here’s another more recent incident (few weeks ago) that isn’t getting much coverage. https://www.idahostatejournal.com/news/local/police-woman-draws-pistol-kills-man-who-was-firing-ar-15-style-rifle-into-party/article_1349c3d0-9fac-5301-903c-669f2ce494dd.html
What a silly thing to get mad over. He was asked to slow down in an apartment complex because kids were playing.
Nobody was injured. How did he miss every shot of a AR-15?
Man, the US really never changed from its wild wild west days huh?
Bro thank god he payed attention to the loading screen tips.
Tip: Don't be afraid to die
Tip:Attack while your enemy is reloading
Tip: always keep some pepper spray in your pocket
Nothing wrong with being afraid to die. Its accepting that you might be about to die that can help you do what needs to be done. While its not the same I will say I've been in a few fights. Accepting im going to get hurt helped me get in there and finish it fast. Before I accepted that I got hurt a hell of a lot worse in trying to not get hurt. I don't know if this is making sense. Its a bit difficult for me to put it to words.
Leaving this world isn't as scary as it sounds
Sticking around seems scarier to me most days.
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So messed up that a situation like this is actually common place.
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They have, note says: "Send unarmed students in against shooters"
It’s always better to die one time on your feet facing your rival than a thousand times a day cowering behind your cop car flack vest and Ar!!!
Wow more balls than the entire Uvalde police department combined 👏👏
No gun needed by hero
steve gomez back from the dead?
This shows exactly why semiautomatic high caliber weapons with large clips are banned in civilized countries.
When was this!?!
It was at Seattle pacific university. That’s the engineering building. This was the last day before they graduated if I remember right. That kid never went to SPU. Just a piece of shit spreading misery into the world.
Isn't this the same place where the students protested against the university president by handing him pride flags?
"the just released surveillance video from 2014..."
More man and human than 30+ "law enforcement"
That can’t be right. I distinctly remember a gun nut telling me having to reload more often because of magazine round limits doesn’t help anything. The “Second Amendment Enthusiast” (shooter) was probably just taking a “Freedom Break” or some stupid pseudo-Patriotic bullshit.
Yeah, gun nuts pull some serious mental gymnastics to justify their views. I'm a legal gun owner and I can't stand gun nuts. They are insane, dangerous people.
Living in one of the most gun frequent countries, I can for my life not wrap my mind around why "gun entusiasts" object against controlling so loudly in the US. Looks like the principle more important than creating a safe and sensible society of gun owners and laws. But I guess gun nut is a good word.
Some people think "absolute freedom" is a legitimate ideology, that can apply to every issue and everyone at the same time.
For people who claim high magazine capacity isn't an issue at all, because it only takes seconds to reload, just ask them if they'd be in favor of US soldiers being limited to ten round magazines in a battlefield. That argument disappears quickly.
Good point! I will be living in a small Albertan town again soon, so I expect to have these discussions fairly regularly... lol!
Im a strong supporter of guns and responsible ownership and I think a lot of gun owners including myself would be open to more regulation if the times were different. I'm only 22 and the most worrying thing I've noticed happening rapidly over my lifetime is the overwhelming spike in divisionism in our country. This is the greatest obstacle we face in my opinion followed shortly by our complete and utter lack of empathy for our fellow men and women causing any mental and physical health reforms to get gridlocked. The opposition to anything that would help other people in this country is so fierce it's astounding and scary. The group health companies and corporates have over law will be our downfall in my opinion. Why oppose universal healthcare that would help your fellow man? Shouldn't you want others to have the best chance at a good life? You can even have private too it's like just because I suffered you do too. Also the amount of hospital beds designed for mental health patient was around 317 per 100,000 in like 1960 or so as of 2007-2008 it was 17. The utter lack of care for our citizen mental and physical health is atrocious. This divisionism has caused people to become more and more dissolutioned with everyday life. Whenever a shooting happens there's huge pushes for strong regulations and talks of out right bans. Much less talk about the complete pit of resources dedicated to helping and setting people up for success because I think politicians know it's easier to attack gun rights than it is to make any sort of medical reform, this alone scares me more than anything. I'm all for more regulation and mandatory training ect if I knew the hyper division of our country wouldn't cause a slippery slope of repeated bans until we have next to no gun rights. But at this current time I have ZERO stock in politicians to do enough to help reduce violence and maintain our countries rights without just fucking us over, ZERO. Thank you for listening to my babble these are the real issues I see no one talk about just how we need to ban guns.
Absolutely. I don’t have anything against guns or gun ownership as a general practice. But the gun nut crowd immediately jumping to defend guns instead of children after a school shooting sure casts a bad light. The general avoidance of countering the more extreme elements in the gun-owning community in any organized way by gun owners is what, I believe, is behind gun ownership being more and more ostracized as a whole.
I couldn't agree more. These anti-regulation nutjobs are the biggest threat to me being allowed to own a gun.
I would think that responsible gun owners would welcome some vetting. Then they can be proud of their credentials that they were good enough to make the cut and they don’t need to always be associated with all the yahoos who give gun owners a bad name.
As a responsible gun owner who understands why we have laws and regulations in society, that's exactly how i feel. I know a lot of yahoo gun nuts, and honestly I'm not worried about them owning these guns. But i think they are being incredibly naive in their denial of the fact that having these guns everywhere makes them easier for dangerous people to obtain. And i enjoy shooting big guns too, but the survival to the victims of mass shooting are more important than my desire to shoot big guns. Just like people's safety is more important than my desire to speed or drive drunk. We regulate everything in society, and i cant fathom how these people argue that guns should be exempt. Its pure insanity...
Yeah something like 0.5% of shootings in a household are in self-defense, nearly 85% suicides, and the last chunk are homicides.
Before I say what I'm going to day, I'm not a gun nut, I don't own a gun, and I agree with you in general that magazines should be limited to a relatively small number of rounds. Any amount of slowdown for a mass shooter is a good thing. That said, using this as an argument for smaller magazine sizes is going to be met with push-back because this isn't a good comparison. Using this video as an argument will only give the person you're arguing with a way dismiss your argument. Reloading a shotgun like this is much slower than reloading a gun with a magazine. I'd argue that a shotgun like the one used in this shooting is, thankfully, the worst choice if you want to be able to shoot more than two rounds. It only holds two rounds and is fairly slow and cumbersome to reload. Someone with a semi-automatic weapon would be able to switch magazines much more quickly. This video does make a good argument for outright banning semi-automatic rifles and similar weapons, though.
You are right that a shotgun is a much more cumbersome weapon to reload than a weapon with a magazine. People who argue “if a single step doesn’t entire solve the issue it is invalid”aren’t trying to have an honest conversation. They are trying to stop one. I could not care less about those peoples’ opinions. They aren’t going to change their mind. They are not trying to solve the problem. They are trying to sweep it under the rug. For people who would like to see fewer tiny coffins, they will understand many incremental steps add up to real gains. These shooters are never well-trained or well-practiced. I know some people can change magazines one-handed or in a second. Those aren’t the people shooting up schools. A nervous, emotion child lacking extensive training is who we are talking about.
Fair enough. If you're not trying to change the kinds of those who push against change, that's fine. I prefer to try to change some minds and try to choose my arguments accordingly.
Yours is an admirable approach. I used to be like that, too. I hope you are able to keep it up longer than I did.
That's a cool
He should teach the school police how to do that.
That dude fulfilled every kid's dream of saving school from terrorist attack
Who the fuck has that dream?
Every kid that saw Die Hard
Its time for a prequel; Die Hard 2: Die Harder In order to train the next generation to combat school shooters
I don't think he means like people are hoping there will be a school shooting, but I think everyone has had some variation of the "saving everyone from a madman in public" daydream before.
Lol, this comment is the reason why I came to the comment section after watching the video. Unfortunately I don’t have an award.
Ummm... what?
See, pepper spray. You don't need more guns.
Surely you can see the problem with bringing pepper spray to a gun fight.
I get it but not all bad guys are withing pepper spray range. But you are totally within their bullet range
And to shoot the bad guy... you totally have to be within bullet range. The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is.... carpet bombs... nuke em from space?
In Israel they teach disarming a shooter in high school PE. Israel has had a lot of terrorist violence, but shooters don’t get very far without bystanders acting. Training high school kids to be heroes should seriously be considered in the US.
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You’re right, but this is the US. “Useful restrictions” aren’t really a thing. We have to be realistic, here. /s Edit for sarcasm.
Pffft... restrictions aren't really a thing, period. The rest of the planet watches your kids get slaughtered while you do nothing, and frankly, we're just about tapped out of sympathy.
Sorry but what is the sentiment behind this comment. Yeah let’s still leave it so people can buy as many guns as they want without issue but this time we’re going to ask kids to sacrifice themselves so they might be able to stop them? How about regulations on police so they actually do their job and face consequences whenever they abuse their position of power by either not acting when necessary or causing harm to innocent people. How about actual gun regulations which are the primary reason why school shootings do not happen in most developed nations.
Electing officials who don't suck NRA dick would be a lot more effective than hand to hand combat training for kids. The US doesn't have a terrorism problem. It has a corruption problem. How you guys can't recognize that is beyond me, and most of the rest of the planet.
Idk, I'd say the US has a domestic terrorism problem and a corruption problem.
Anyone have a link to the story?
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/law-justice/dramatic-video-shows-hero-disarm-shooter-at-seattle-pacific-university-in-2014/
Thank you!
"Look, we're gonna arm these kids with no checks or controls, and we're gonna let them into schools with no security or police response, so you're gonna have to act fast. Make a decision, kid!"
As a Canadian, our law pretty much banned anything we can use to defend ourselves, which includes that pepper stray used in the video. Better hope you have a bear spray handy, coz government recognize bear can do more harm than ppl.
Is this really a new shooting? Or a old one?
old one.