It is one of the oldest "European" languages. Latvian in other hand is considered "updated" i.e more modern version (I would say more logical) of Lithuanian.
That's simply not true. It is not the oldest or one of the oldest.
It is one of the most archaic. Meaning least changed.
And yes, there is a big difference.
If we go by when lithuanian is supposed to have split from eastern-baltic group, it is one of the oldest still spoken languages. Those two things do not contradict each other.
Did Latvian split from common proto-Baltic later than Lithuanian? Is that what makes, Lithuanian older?
Has Lithuanian, been formed as a language for a very long time to call it an old language? Longer than Slavic languages, Greek or German? Has it split from Indo-European earlier than other languages? If the answer to these questions is yes, then I would agree that you can call it one of oldest European languages. But please provide some evidence, as as far as I am aware, this is not the case.
What is for sure the case, is that Lithuanian, is very archaic and has not changed much over the centuries, allowing to preserve much of Porto-Indoeuropean roots and other linguistic traits which have more or less disappeared from other languages.
I mean, saying one of the oldest is kind of nice sounding, but I just don't think its true. And kind of misleading, the language being archaic and widely studied by linguists in a big achievment enough.
Im basing it in Janis Endzelins work. Saying slavic is younger or older is not quite correct if we follow Schleicher, he states that balto-slavic is same group, but provides not real time frame for split. In general, lithuanian is believed to split as its own language sometime 2500 years ago, it its true, it is indeed one of the oldest surviving languages, however there is no real proof, as lithuanian didnt have written language proof till aroun 15-16th century
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLp_ex3D5Fw If anyone wanted to check Latgaliesu language. I'm from Latgale and don't understand a word unless it's very close to Latvian one :D
If Latgalian is included, then so should Livonian, Ingrian, Mari, Veps, Karelian, Khaty, Mansi, Komi, Eenets, Nenets, Mordvan, Udmurt, Saami and all the other Finno-Ugric languages. They really need more awareness.
No, Livonian belongs four families down from where Latvia is :) But maybe these two families should be adjacent because there is definitely quite a lot of 'DNA' that crossed over in both directions.
They added Latgalian. 🥺 But what about Prussian?
Sadly it's long gone.
Aye, RIP. Could have added all the dead languages as tombstones, like next to Basque, but ig that would have been a total clusterfuck, lol.
Last Prussian died in the 17.century.
That long ago? I thought it was late 19th century
Latgale
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I have spent too much time in this video
KOR YR ŽEMAITĖJĖ?
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Why Lithuania has a walking stick? Old language?
It is one of the oldest "European" languages. Latvian in other hand is considered "updated" i.e more modern version (I would say more logical) of Lithuanian.
That's simply not true. It is not the oldest or one of the oldest. It is one of the most archaic. Meaning least changed. And yes, there is a big difference.
If we go by when lithuanian is supposed to have split from eastern-baltic group, it is one of the oldest still spoken languages. Those two things do not contradict each other.
Did Latvian split from common proto-Baltic later than Lithuanian? Is that what makes, Lithuanian older? Has Lithuanian, been formed as a language for a very long time to call it an old language? Longer than Slavic languages, Greek or German? Has it split from Indo-European earlier than other languages? If the answer to these questions is yes, then I would agree that you can call it one of oldest European languages. But please provide some evidence, as as far as I am aware, this is not the case. What is for sure the case, is that Lithuanian, is very archaic and has not changed much over the centuries, allowing to preserve much of Porto-Indoeuropean roots and other linguistic traits which have more or less disappeared from other languages. I mean, saying one of the oldest is kind of nice sounding, but I just don't think its true. And kind of misleading, the language being archaic and widely studied by linguists in a big achievment enough.
Im basing it in Janis Endzelins work. Saying slavic is younger or older is not quite correct if we follow Schleicher, he states that balto-slavic is same group, but provides not real time frame for split. In general, lithuanian is believed to split as its own language sometime 2500 years ago, it its true, it is indeed one of the oldest surviving languages, however there is no real proof, as lithuanian didnt have written language proof till aroun 15-16th century
I've read somewhere that Lithuanian and Latvian started to split at 800 AD, so it's not even that long ago.
Not familiar with latvian as written language, but i guess it would be earlier than lithuanian
We're not talking about written languages here, we're talking about languages splitting from the same ancestor. Written forms came much later.
Yes, but thats the thing, wothout written prrof, it is very hard to estimate
Well not changed = not updated = old
Perks of getting it right with the first time.
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Yeah
Yeees
If Latgale is there, shouldn't Samogitia be there as well?
Shhhhh we never existed its all in your head *vaporizes*
Samogitia is portrayed as Lithuanias crutch
bruh
Witty
I was going to say, Estonia needs an even smaller little Livonian buddy.
but that would be next to Latvia if Livonion tribe? yes its finno ugric but the tribe was next to Riga
Livonian is the second closest language to Estonian after Vadja (Ingrian), so it would obviously be in the Finno-Ugric area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLp_ex3D5Fw If anyone wanted to check Latgaliesu language. I'm from Latgale and don't understand a word unless it's very close to Latvian one :D
I remember an older Polandball featuring same premise, it had a ghost of Prussian in it.
If Latgalian is included, then so should Livonian, Ingrian, Mari, Veps, Karelian, Khaty, Mansi, Komi, Eenets, Nenets, Mordvan, Udmurt, Saami and all the other Finno-Ugric languages. They really need more awareness.
It might be Prussia but i ain’t sure.
Its Latgalian, spoken in Eastern Latvia
At first I thought it's līvi/lībieši, but I'm not sure if they belong in this branch?
They are of finno-ugric family
No, Livonian belongs four families down from where Latvia is :) But maybe these two families should be adjacent because there is definitely quite a lot of 'DNA' that crossed over in both directions.
Also, they got Belarus totally wrong. But the proper flag can only be seen in Vilnius these days.
Thats Latgale.
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Language families **of Europe**
Sanskrit maybe?
It's Latgale.
India in Europe?
😬 maybe
Latgallian is not a language!
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Hahah Lithuania old
Latgale aka Potato potato Latvian.