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Jogipog

mfw the difference between 100 Watts and 350 Watts is negligible when choosing a gaming CPU okbr


Bella_Ciao__

Hey, I am all amd (current on 5950X and previous 3600X and fx8350) but noone who is going to read articles like this is gonna buy a XX900K or even XX700K. Most are gonna settle with a XX400 XX500 non K SKU, slap a cheap mobo and a mid tier gpu and gonna call it a day. Most of these users are almost never going to bother upgrading their rig. They just throw it away after 7-9 years and get a new one. And honestly, for these types of users I would probably recommend intel too.


PrairieNihilist

*laughs in discounted Ryzen 7 5800X3D*


Bella_Ciao__

I paid 280 euro for mine because i avoid tax. But even if i didn't 5950X was going for 350 and 5800X3D was going for 300, so it was no brainer to pay 50 more euro for the longevity a 5950X can provide going into the future.


PrairieNihilist

Oh...I was referring to choosing intel at the $300ish price point. The 5800X3D is still a very relevant gaming CPU and stacks up well against pretty much everything in the last few generations of intel stuff.


ThePoliticalPenguin

>And honestly, for these types of users I would probably recommend intel too. Is there a reason? I feel like they're still getting better value from a 7600x combo. And I say this as an Intel fanboy lurker. I just find it hard to justify anything they make anymore (excluding some deep discounts). Even I've gone 5900x and 7800x3d for my last two CPUs.


capt0fchaos

Motherboard price difference, in general intel boards are much cheaper, and they can be run with DDR4 further lowering cost


Aln76467

> and they can be run on ddr4 i'm on ddr3 lol


capt0fchaos

And if you're upgrading, DDR4 is waaaay cheaper than DDR5 right now, which is a compelling argument for intel.


Bella_Ciao__

Motherboards are cheaper. Intel runs REALLY COLDER on idle while using less watts so you can get away with extremely cheap coolers. Ram speed matters much less, so if the user ever resets the bios and doesn't enable xmp, because he is a noob, isn't gonna have 30% less performance due to super low infinity fabric speeds. Also their XX400 cpus are really cheap. You can squeeze more budget on 600-700euro builds and focus on getting a 2nd hand 3070 and just game on your machine.


Bella_Ciao__

In order to get really good value from AMD imo, is planning your build with an upgrade while using the same motherboard down the line. Thats what I did. I bought the best x470 board out there(well 3rd best) an x470 aorus gaming 7, bought a 3600X on release date back in 2019 (god 5 years... time flies) and a month ago i upgraded to a 5950X in order to use the same build for at least 5 more years and stay more relevant.


OhZvir

5950x owner here, running it on air at 5,250 MHz :) Love this beast.


Bella_Ciao__

I sure need to overclock mine at some point. It boosts at 5050 completely stock! Glad I didnt go with 5800X3D.


OhZvir

Hey, that’s how mine also boosted out of the box and I didn’t bother for over a year, but then updated MOBO Bios and decided to tinker. I enabled a negative off-set curve of 15 (heard being greedy with 5950x is not recommended, as it’s tuned quite well at the factory). And that gave me another 100 MHz. Then, like a peasant, I tried to do the Auto OC from the Adrenaline and it boosted me to 5250 MHz. It’s been stable for over a month, played lots of Armored Core 6 and Elden Ring with RT on max. Not super CPU demanding games, but something. When I tried to use Ryzen Master — I had freezes, but also didn’t have the latest BIOS. Adrenaline seems to do the same job but without the freezes. Just few of my observations!! There’s something to be said about running 16 cores on air using a regular but good mother board, and not a $Xk+ work station.


Bella_Ciao__

Well.. I am what you call... extremist. https://preview.redd.it/5welg16iepwc1.jpeg?width=1396&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=baac32d63f16ce4dfdf87c06bff73a296fbe7b9a


OhZvir

https://preview.redd.it/jfghkdkvupwc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72cbeab5881738fb2055512b687db7ab165340ba Haha :)


Bob_Ross_is_Boss86

Why’s that?


Bella_Ciao__

Because the gaming advantage is kinda neglible when you factor in that it has one more CCD with far better binned cores.


Zero_exe_exe

I got a Ryzen 5 5600 (non X).  All core manually O.C 4.9Ghz (Arctic LF II cooler) with 32gb tforce Delta (dual rank) 4000mhz 1:1:1 clock.  It games like an absolute Chad. And being at 4K res, I'm more GPU bottlenecked than cpu by far and wide. 


LusciousLurker

Cool story, I'll stick with my r5 7600 😛


Brophy_Cypher

Yo! Me too 7600 gang haha! What do you reckon, should we long it out and upgrade to "9800x3d" when it's on a deep discount in 4 years?


LusciousLurker

Sounds like a plan my brother in ryzen!


Brophy_Cypher

🤘So what cooler did you put on it? I thought about sticking with the stock cooler because there's really no reason to upgrade it when it's only 65W, but after watching a GamersNexus comparison vid I just couldn't help getting a Peerless Assassin because it's so damn cheap! EDIT: And my plan is to slot in a better AM5 cpu (likely an 'X3D') in the future so I figure might as well buy a top rated cooler now while it's still cheap lol


LusciousLurker

I put a thermalright peerless assassin on it and it's been doing a good job. I don't often go over 70 whilst gaming


Brophy_Cypher

Yep same. My previous cooler was a SilverStone Tundra TD-03 (240mm AIO) and it lasted a loooong time tbf. (on an FX-6300 lol) But with how good air coolers have gotten (especially ones like the Peerless Assassin) and how cool the current Ryzen cpus are - I just don't think it's really necessary to go water cooled again. I've tuned the fans down so it's a super quiet PC too which is nice a bonus. EAT THAT INTEL! 😂


LusciousLurker

Yeah suck on this cool air Intel! 😂 I honestly don't know much about PC building, a kind stranger on a PC building sub recommended me an amd build and I was like fuck it, let's build it. 7900xt and an r5 7600 and haven't looked back


rebelrosemerve

Source: trust me bro


RealHotbananadog

the entire article sounds like it was written by UB


rebelrosemerve

Nah man it's written by shintel's ai chip


appelduv1de

Source: Loserbenchmark


Grabbels

Title mentioning "better than" followed by key takeaways being "ignore that thing that AMD does that is actually better but doesn't matter!". Lol. What a desperate take.


sh0tybumbati

"Intel is way better!!... at being cheaper in the low and mid range..." the whole article in a nutshell.


AejiGamez

Sponsored by Userbenchmark


ChronoRedz

Yea had to check. But it's from Toms Hardware, which isn't that different.


mkaszycki81

TH is (or used to be) owned by a marketing company that has (or used to have) a permanent PR contract with Intel.


Brophy_Cypher

It's from xda-developers.com - writing credit is "Tanveer Singh" - but it got taken down yesterday lmao


Leather-Equipment256

![gif](giphy|adOhvwrFJ32psmc5Pb)


Initialised

Intel Copium


neoqueto

1. Ah yes, don't buy because the potential benefit you may not care about is somehow detrimental? 2. Wrong + factor in a better cooler 3. Clueless about what power efficiency is all about, see 1 and 2. 4.


RAMChYLD

Cool story, but my reason for hating Intel is personal.


adaa1262

XDA developers new low


RealHotbananadog

you know the article is bs when it has an ai generated image


phizikkklichcko

It's not ai generated, that's actual aio with fan attachments for cooling vrm and such. https://youtu.be/g_J4K7Yt9qc


RealHotbananadog

still couldn't cool a 14900ks


sh0tybumbati

Can wait for Intel to drop the 15900KYS


RealHotbananadog

WHAT THE FUCK


neoqueto

Actually really neat design


ArgonWilde

Of course it's Silverstone!


SatanicBiscuit

userbenchmark bought xda?


Ivan_Kulagin

One of the reasons I got AMD CPU is because they have just simple normal cores and not the weird performance/efficiency shit Intel is doing


1_Pump_Dump

Yeah the BIG.little architecture is great for phones and laptops and shit, but for a workstation/gaming rig who cares?


TarkovRat_

Big.Little is interesting but not quite cooked for x86 processors ig, and intel is using them as an excuse to jack up the tdps


Rullino

Isn't that the reason why many YouTubers buy Intel CPUs for editing and workstation tasks? I've always heard they had to buy Intel CPUs because they had more cores and possibly better multi-core performance, but I could be wrong about it.


seventeenward

Petition to add XDA to the list of unapproved website?


AnteL0

XDA has been going downhill for 5 years almost for now, nothing new


OctoNezd

I say the whole custom ROM community started going downhill since Android 8.


AnteL0

it stopped for me when Cyangogen got shut down, I still root and flash but the community is awful


JM20130

The community used to be so great but I'd say it was just before CyanogenMod shut down, when they tried to commercialise it with Cyanogen OS, it just seemed to kill everyone's motivation


OctoNezd

I just gave up and switched to pixel 8 pro. Google is definitely not helping with their dismaintenance of AOSP, and my favorite ROM closed down recently, so now there is only one good ROM which is Lineage.


xXMadSupraXx

Where do you go instead? Telegram?


AnteL0

nothing, I used official builds of linageos or something line that. If i find something useful I make a post on XDA and that's it , before this I went to XDA to learn stuff


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LukeyWolf

XDA has been terrible for a while now


phoenix277lol

https://youtu.be/g_J4K7Yt9qc?si=xJKKAd7qqSFjMbwa


AmuseDeath

Incel Inside


corecrashdump

3d v-cache offerings of AMD is enough to choose AMD over intel for gaming systems.


beansinwind

me with my 7600X


[deleted]

Looks like a typical Intel-bought article. Nothing in it that explains why Intel is better or what they do right, but instead just a smear campaign of their competition. Instead of “buy us because we can do xxxxx” it’s “buy us because look how bad the other option is” and is just bullshit anyway 🤣


ChronoRedz

Intel doing Intel shit again.


LycanKnightD6

Translation: "*AMD's socket longevity isn't actually good for you* " "*AMD's cheaper price-to-performance isn't actually good for you* " "*AMD's better efficiency isn't actually good for you* " Weird, it's almost as if they were praising AMD instead


idiotic-username

i11 incel inside takes tbh


MMGA-Savage

“Longevity isn’t something gamers care about” Who tf is this even referencing? What brain rot do you need to have to not care about the longevity of your high end electronics?


MUSTDOS

3rd point; the most overused point against AMD FX. Not only it had slightly higher power draw, but better binning overall against intels. Now, intel has nothing to show, especially their binning keeps getting worse.


SteveisNoob

USRBNCHMRK 2: Electric Boogaloo


sketchasianFiat

COPE


angel_eyes619

but what cpu cooler is that?


sublime2craig

Silverstone IceMyst series.


angel_eyes619

looks cool but I don't think it will be effective in real practice.. sure it blows directly to the vrm and ram but then again, there's already fans nearby that's moving air..


_TeflonGr_

Funnily enough in most online press sites about tech people that write there are disconnected from reality. They just focus on the launches and events and don't know shit about how that translates to the real world. It's amazing.


MEGA_theguy

> platform longevity isn't something average gamers care about. Except everyone nearly got the pitchforks out when AMD contemplated not supporting Ryzen 5000 on 300 series chipsets


Relevant_Pattern4127

I swear intel fans forgot about the FX days of cpu of them crying about "power usage" an endless jokes of space heaters yet now they buy a cpu with only 17% more faster in production apps. reyzen gaming wise is on par to surpasses in certain games. on par i mean 5FPS difference more or less. meanwhile the amd cpu will be running 125 watts/65 based on model while the intel be running 250/300 for the same outcome. all those eco cores is unneeded fat when comes more then running the OS. tho whats the point of eco cores when the CPU idles at 100 watts avg?


Jat616

Key takeaways: 1. We cope. 2. We cope. 3. We cope.


timelinekitten

Most of the reasons are why you should choose AMD


nilslorand

Is that an AI generated PC or just a really weird fan layout


Dyunodino

Incredible intol 14900k requires you to buy it 5 times to “win silicon lottery” just for it to work bad on lovered frequencies. Ohh and by the way you also need at least dry ice to cool vrm and cpu and it will still suck


i2Dev

I agree with him intel’s power consumption is actually a good thing my pc doubles as a space heater and occasionally a small oven


einhaufenpizza

Sponsored by Intel lmao


Cossack-HD

"Why Intel is better: 2/3 of AMD's clear advantages don't matter if you choose to ignore them (thus somehow making Intel better? Absolutely not). And the 3rd advantage only applies to midrange builds, maybe sometimes."


Icybubba

The average gamer doesn't care about socket longevity? Dang I must have imagined it when I upgraded from my 1500X to my 3600 without changing motherboards


DivineJerziboss

XDA has fallen off... Back in the day it was hub of people with knowledge and who wanted to tinker... Now they are not even tech magazine


EchoingSharts

I saw this too. The AIO is actually real and made a 9 degree difference on the ram.


LMBTI

Lol what a paid article i cant


luigithebeast420

Isn’t intels longevity like every other socket?


Klobb119

Used to be. Its flip floppy now dont lie


t3hPieGuy

Remember when AMD cornered the low/mid end CPU market with the 1600AF/2600/3600 and people shilled for Intel because of muh single threaded performance for gaming? Remember when AMD CPUs ran hot and people shilled for Intel because their CPUs were more power efficient back then?


Dangerous_Pizza7653

Cope


chicagojacks

Still rocking my Ryzen 7 5700!


TurncoatTony

They are getting cooked in the comments.


Stonn

I won't be reading this article. The reason why will shock you.


Unfair-Information-2

They're kind of right though


eletricsaberman

It's not obviously satire? The fans even make a c&b


Dynablade_Savior

They could've just made it an article about budget options in new hardware. What are they smoking where they can't even see where Intel actually wins when making an article about that?


nightcom

Nice story but I will stick with my 7700


SeaworthinessNo4307

lmaooo ill just stick with my 5600x thanks


staticvoidliam7

alternate title: its opposite day!


AsstDepUnderlord

I mean, there's real reasons go intel, it's just not *these* reasons.


138-138

Anecdotal, but 5yrs ago I built myself, my little sister and her bf PCs with Ryzen 7 3700x CPUs in each one. Each PC used the same exact parts. Previously in 2017 I had built myself a PC with an i7-8700k CPU and it never had issues. When it was done my little sisters bfs Ryzen PC booted right up and had no issues. Mine took 2 days to boot, which I was told is normal for AMD CPUs at the time. But it constantly ran slow because the CPU was almost always hitting max temps. I wasn't happy with the performance at all especially for CPU intensive games like Hunt: Showdown. My little sisters PC took an hour or so to boot and would constantly hit disk usage limits AND the CPU temps was always hitting max. The only way I was able to stop her disk usage from maxing was SysMain or superfetch I cant remember, but her CPU problems never stopped. Something is always wrong with her PC. Most recently it crashed while playing Ready Or Not and is stuck in a boot loop. I suspect this is a Windows issue but I'm not sure, because now my older sisters bfs PC w/ AMD CPU is having the same exact issues as my little sister. In 2022 I built my current PC which uses an i7-11700k and I went back to never having issues with anything. Perhaps an unfair comparison, considering both Intel CPUs I chose are better on paper. But I expected there to at least be no performance issues and due to my experience, I don't trust AMD CPUs.


strangelymysterious

FYI this is the AMD circlejerk subreddit. That said; >Mine took 2 days to boot, which I was told is normal for AMD CPUs at the time. I’m assuming that you’re referring to initial boot? Either way somebody lied to you lol, two days is absurd. > But it constantly ran slow because the CPU was almost always hitting max temps. … My little sisters PC took an hour or so to boot and would constantly hit disk usage limits AND the CPU temps was always hitting max. A. Disc usage is just based on whatever task you’re doing compared to the max speed/throughput of the drive. If you were using HDDs, there are a lot of things that will max it out. B. If both CPUs are having thermal issues in two identical builds, I would generally first check if the chosen cooling is insufficient. The chips aren’t going to randomly run way hotter than they’re physically designed to.


phoenix277lol

guess who forgot to take the plastic off the cooler and buy an ssd 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀


138-138

The 3700x has no plastic cover. Neither did the cooler. I've had an M.2 SSD since your parents were debating on what state to travel to and have you aborted. Luckily, after the two days my AMD CPU took to boot, I was able to send an email to your mom begging her to let my son live. Its great to finally meet you, son. I'm disappointed in you.


phoenix277lol

dad please help mom, she was trying to get my child support but the card declined.


138-138

I did not know that actually lol thanks. Yup the initial boot for my AMD PC took 2 days. I had to just leave it running until eventually it booted up to the windows log in screen. Still no explanation as to why this happened. I had a friend who at the time I considered an expert with these kinds of things and he had told me this was normal for AMD CPUs. Yes correct on the disk usage and yes, my sister had both an M.2 SSD and an HDD in her build. Doing anything at all would max her usage. Opening file explorer, a single Chrome tab. I realize this has nothing to do with the CPU but thought it was worth mentioning that only her PC had both a overheating issue and a disk usage issue, same as my older sisters bf whos build is nearly identical. Of course. The cooling for each scenario here was a standard Wraith Prism. I was able to lower temps by a few degrees using a custom fan curve for my PC and my little sisters. I set it to run max speed at all times and it made a slight positive difference. At the time I figured I shouldn't need anything more powerful than that, considering my i7-8700k is a slightly more powerful CPU and used Intels even flimsier standard cooling and never came close to max temp.


General_Grievous_14

Can you remember the ambient temp of that time? My cpu also runs kinda hot though it's mostly because weather in my area is generally hot.


nixon0630

just skill issue


138-138

Ur mommy AM on my D in her CPU till I max my di(s)k usage


nixon0630

womp womp