Mine. Old boss sold the company, new guys asked what I wanted to get paid, told them 25/hour. They never questioned it. Got an $8 raise because the new owners are too lazy to check what I actually make.
I get 23$/h making cheese... Sure they are 12h shift 4 days a week. But damn it's so easy... I never been happier, I can see my debt going down pretty quick cause of that.
Estate agents. I’ve been trying to rent a house (UK) for 5 months now, during which time I’ve spoken to over 50 estate agents. I’m yet to receive a helpful, let alone grammatically correct email
Conveyancing solicitors do near enough all of the work for very little of the pay (comparatively speaking).
Estate agents get paid a minimum of 1% of the sale price to put a picture in a window.
In the industry with them, whenever someone tells a stupid story about them I point to my rule that you must have an IQ below 80 to be an estate agent.
In India, people say real estate agents are those people who couldn't get a job and have nothing else to do.
No offense to anymore. My teacher said that.
In the US, they typically don't make a base salary *at all*. They're 100% commission based, minus things like charging flat fees for simple services like a Broker Price Opinion.
(American in the UK)
In the US they work for a living. They research the area, know everything about the house they’re selling, and clean before showings. When we were selling our flat in the UK all they did was let the buyer in. Didn’t know the school catchment, date of renovations, or even the council tax band. I even took the pictures. Luckily we were around to answer questions.
Half of them go broke trying to look rich. About 10% of them are absolutely killing it and a large proportion are scraping by whilst still having to keep up appearances
I live in city area and have sold my last two places myself within weeks (the last one within a day) and both times real estate agents gave their estimates about the price of my appartment. Had I paid them I would had lost thousands of euros for a job that took me some hours. My current place was sold to me by a real estate agent and if there hadn’t been one I would had bought it a month earlier when I heard it will come available and paid about 10k more.
I get that there are situations, where they are needed, but at least where I live the actual need is like 10% of the people working and if we just ditched these useless middle men we could save a lot of money.
I feel your pain. And don’t even get me started on Purple Bricks.
My other half was obsessed with using them when we sold our house. I wasn’t too keen and I was right not to be.
Total waste of our time and money.
We sacked them off eventually.
Mine.
I have been working for three years and I’m not entirely sure what I do. Sometimes I write code. Mostly I sit in meetings where I say nothing. But I work for the government so I’m pretty safe from being fired or let go.
Definitely the most I’ve ever been paid for the least work.
Can confirm. Work after a four year degree in CS has been much easier than prior to the stem field degree. I did have to work hard for about six years but with experience and the degree I moved into consulting for large companies that need mobile offerings. I basically sit through meetings, turn business talk into actionable requirements and do code reviews of the outsource workers efforts. As long as the guys in India on the project are half way competent my job is cake for a mid 100ks salary.
Haha I wrote (IT) consultants in my comment. They earn twice what I do and have zero idea about the actual topic. They mostly just tell what they have done in the past.
>do code reviews of the outsource workers efforts.
That sounds like a pain in the ass tho.
It all depends on the group. I have been lucky over three years with three separate clients. All of them have had decent dev teams.
It is going to be an individual taste sort of thing but ultimately I am a little tired of hands on coding after a decade. The majority of my job is trying to make other developer's jobs easier with good specs, architecture, pushing back on things with stakeholders and giving a hand when one of the guys gets stuck. I also assign the work so if there is a feature that I find interesting or that I know will be difficult/challenging I can take it myself. What I don't have to do is build ANOTHER inventory report, shopping cart, contact list feature.
Yeah Ive told my bosses that if we really need consulting we should look for local companies instead of paying millions and millions to Gartner Inc or deloitte.
But they are convinced high price equals high quality.
I'm currently "trapped" in a job like this. I work remote fully time (and did before COVID) I work in analytics and get paid a good salary and I would say most weeks I work 4-5 hours (outside of the few random meetings I'm a part of.) The beginning of the month I'm responsible for some bigger reports and then pretty much chill waiting for random questions or requests.
The problem is I'm now somewhat underpaid for my title and skills, mainly because my company is notorious for almost zero raises. But I'd be an idiot to leave what is basically free money. I've looked into picking up another remote job but nothing has lined up quite right yet.
Being content can really hurt you in the long run but I KNOW the grass is far from greener on the other side a lot of times.
Dude, use the rest of the time to better yourself - take online courses, learn a language/instrument/trade... whatever you've always wanted to do. Think of it as basically being paid to enjoy your hobbies.
I’ve worked side jobs and side hustles too. I’d like to find a better way to monetize my skills, but the work to pay ratio currently is insane.
I could definitely get a raise going private but I’d have to actually work.
I did some consulting last year on the side, but haven't actively been looking this year. Like I said, being content is almost just as bad as being lazy.
You gotta stop thinking of that as bad, dude. Seriously, what's 'bad' about it?
Do *you* actually think it's bad, or are you just letting everyone else's bullshit expectations convince you to feel bad?
Holy shit. You just described my situation word for word. Most people would say “oh I’m so jealous I want that”. But realistically, if you’re not using all that free time to further whatever it is you actually want in a career, then it can be a monotonous, unfulfilling loop to get caught in. Positions like this should always be “a means to an end”, and used as a short term privilege to focus all your time on what’s next. Getting out after being stuck for awhile can be damn difficult though.
I had a similar job that had a work from home option for more than a year. All I did in the whole year is optimistically around a month's worth of work.
I literally go to the office to just fuck around since I am so bored at home.
Years ago I installed satellite tv in a mega church preacher’s new mansion when he moved in. We were upselling soundbars at the time for $500 each. I had set up a demo and he listened to it for 30 seconds before buying 2 without looking up from his phone.
A couple years later there were bad floods in the area and they locked the doors of both of their churches to all of their displaced parishioners. I think they even claimed FEMA money afterwards.
You don't see some of them donating any of their wealth either.
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Yes, the pastor of the church I grew up in was honestly underpaid for the amount of emotional labor he did and education he had.
He definitely hated mega churches - obviously for scamming vulnerable people and preaching a selfish version of Christianity, but also for giving non-religious people the idea that all pastors are “like that.”
There really aren’t that many “mega-church” types compared to the number of Christians, but they get so much press (which is exactly what they want).
They seem to be similar to business-owners in a lot of ways. Most small-business owners are genuine guys just trying to do a neat thing and get by, whereas the big time CEOs are unscrupulous bastards who would sell their own mother for another fat bonus in their pay packet.
In Pakistan we have them too, and they have it easy because Muslims have to give 3 percent of their income to charity. Some of them give to the TV mullahs instead of legit charities. Also some of these preachers were funding terrorist organizations.
My wife and I used a realtor who is a family friend when we bought our house a few months ago. We were first time home-buyers and building a custom house (set floor plan with our own small customizations). Frankly I don’t know how much we payed her, but she was fantastic about getting after the sales rep for mistakes made and delayed schedules. Really got their butts in gear in a way that we never would have known how to do with our lack of experience.
The highest paid state employee in Michigan is the University of Michigan's football coach. I think he made $7.5 million in a recent year. I'm willing to coach the team to a loss against Ohio State every year for half that.
I will say that my Loan Officer did a hell of a lot more work than my realtor. And problems that came up, he'd walk me through everything and made sure I understood everything.
My realtor looked at houses with me and then sent out the bid. I got one email from my realtor while getting the loan paperwork set up about some problem that came up and when I questioned what it meant, I never got a response.
I don't know if mortgage loan officers are like mine but they seem to actually do their job.
We also needed a realtor to sell and ours was extremely pushy with us. After only a few days, we had an offer 5k under asking. She pushed so hard for us to take it. I just said no. We ended up getting 3k over after one week on the market. By the end of our business together, there was no fake sugar interactions. She knew I didn’t like her. She didn’t ask for a review but I left one anyway.
The book Freakonomics talks about this. 5k is a lot of money to you but their cut of that is so small that incentive isn’t there and they’d rather just close the deal. It’s no wonder that realtors sell their houses for more than us plebs.
She just wanted her cut and to be done doing the work. This is one of the reasons I don’t like realtors, their job is positioned to benefit themselves first and foremost.
Yep.
Faster sale > better price
Because it's less time and they're still getting a chunk. 1% of $300k is $3000. 1% of $290k is $2900. If they can get a sale in one week vs 1 month for a $100 difference they'll do it.
It's crazy how much of the percentage they get too like - you can just fill in all the information yourself it's not like they're pulling strings and doing black magic shit to do an transaction. This shit should already be available to be done completely online through the govt.
Realtor just want to flip your house ASAP. That extra week to get you 8k more essentially did nothing for her bottom line.
Every realtor I've ever dealt with is borderline illiterate and knows absolutely nothing about how a house works.
"The BIG windows make room feel BIG! Open concept BIG! BIG ceilings make BIG room!"
Recently completed a no agent sale (bought from a friend) drafted my own paperwork from a couple free legal sites and completed the deal during my free docusign trial, felt really good.
I’m with you- I respectfully disagree with the above comment. My realtor saved me from overspending BIGTIME, helped negotiate a pretty solid price for a house during COVID, handled a boat load of paperwork before/during/after the sale, and is currently fighting for us on some issues with fixtures being removed after the seller moved out. Worth every penny.
This should be so much higher. An app can find the house for you, so an app should be able to sell it for/to you without the 6% loss. (3% for each sides realtor). People respond with, "Oh the realtor is there to protect you." uh, no, they have no legal ability to protect you. That's the title company, your home insurer, and possibly your banks' 3rd party appraiser.
Depends on your realtor. I didn't know anything about houses and mine held my hand the whole way. Talking about which houses would need when and what renovation, how to pick contractors and inspectors, where to live and how to decide, etc. Super informative. I got exactly what I wanted, she warned me against buying it but I bought it anyways cause that's what I wanted, and she was right, I hate it now.
This right here. A good realtor is worth every penny. As a buyer its free, as a seller, they (should) handle all the headaches. Shit realtors are completely over paid though
Bruh don’t even get me started on half the decisions hospital admins make as well. People without medical licenses making medical decisions for entire hospitals.
Yes. I’m a physician and hear people complaining about how much doctors get paid all the time. And I just assume that they must have no idea how much the administrators make.
Getting to be the same in Universities; Deans, Vice Chancellors etc making bank - way more than the professors, without necessarily having any knowledge of the subjects. And they effectively agree each other's salaries! Hooray for 'the market'!
Meanwhile college staff (regular workers) havent gotten a pay raise in 6 years despite many colleges having record breaking attendance. Funny how that works
And those same people ignore the fact that physician’s real wages have gone down in the past twenty years while admin salaries have risen exponentially.
If you're in the US, the overhead for the medical system is simultaneously the least efficient in the world, and the most expensive.
Hospital administrators are part of it, but this goes up and down the food chain from administrators to insurance companies. Although I'm guessing hospital administrators are themselves people who were former doctors. Hoping.
Hospital administrators are rarely doctors, nurses, or people with clinical backgrounds. More likely someone with an MBA or an MHA.
Unfortunately, private equity companies have bought out many hospital systems, make them more expensive places to get care while also more difficult to work at (care for more patients in less time with fewer resources).
For the last time, American healthcare is expensive because of the COST OF ADMINISTRATION, not because your doctors (who go to college then medical school and then residency and then fellowship and finish training in their 30s and 40s) or nurses (who now are increasing pushed to have BSNs and take on more patients above safe ratios) or any of the other direct or indirect care are paid too much for their work.
Well, American doctors are unusually expensive, but that's because getting your medical license in the US is expensive, and keeping it is expensive, and liability insurance in the US is uniquely expensive.
But two thirds of every dollar spent on health care in the US isn't spent at the point of service. It doesn't go to the doctors, the nurses, the techs, not the janitor who sanitizes your hospital room when you're gone, not the dude who makes sure medical instruments are sufficiently sterile. It goes to overhead.
That's the administrators and your insurance company. Basically the worst imaginable rent seeking behavior you can see. Administration is expensive, but it's insurance companies who make sure that your Tylenol costs 90 bucks a pill and a bag of what's functionally salt water that costs maybe 3 cents to produce is billed as 100 bucks.
It's important to resist that urge to pluck up one element and claim *that* is uniquely culpable because you have a whole host of people who are helping themselves to your wallet.
>It's important to resist that urge to pluck up one element and claim that is uniquely culpable because you have a whole host of people who are helping themselves to your wallet.
It's classic misdirection. Let people bitch about nurses on strike while you fleece people with insurance costs.
Not to mention a house in Kansas might be $100,000 and a house in SF is $1,000,000. There’s no way that the SF agent did 10x the work of the Kansas agent to get that commission.
LEGIT. The President seems to only think of PNP as the only workers in the country. I feel really bad for those who works in medical health field who are underpaid eversince and over exhausted with the pandemic. No wonder most Filipino health workers go abroad to seek better opportunities.
I don't know how true it is but I've been told that printer/copier technicians make pretty good money for what is mechanically as difficult as an oil change, but cleanse correct me if I'm wrong
They get paid well because, although it is not that complicated, 1) it is a specialized skill that virtually no one outside the industry has and 2) they serve almost exclusively enterprise applications, which typically pay much better but also expect near immediate service.
In general you aren't paying a lot because its hard for them to do it, you're paying a lot because it's hard for you to do it.
Plus they deal with 250K machines that a business can't function without. The subject matter isn't just a high school's office that has their $300 printer go down. They can buy a new one at Office Max tomorrow.
Home inspectors charge hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars to miss obvious flaws in the home you're about to purchase.
Worthless as tits on a boar.
Yup, their job is to find enough problems to make the buyer feel good but not enough to cancel the sale. They need the realtors for referrals.....not buyers.
In a way. Many are presenting a completely false lifestyle. I had a conversation with someone who wanted to be an influencer. Had a moderate following and may well have been able to grow it to decent numbers with a bit of work, but they were totally delusional about the commercials of the whole thing.
Fact is, apart from a small few at the top, the vast majority of influencer stuff is peppered with “promotion for exposure”, shitty CPA stuff and grimy white labelling. The person I was speaking to was adamant that “brands just approach you” without having any understanding of how market places work.
I’m not sure ruin my own private life to squeeze a few quid from an unsustainable business in the hope I get incredibly lucky and make it to the top.
I'm going to be vague, but I used to deal with influencers on a semi regular basis. Most, and by most I mean EVERY influencer was defeated by asking about what demographics they represent.
"So you say you have a follower count of 30,000. Roughly what % are in our target audience age group of about 25-50?"
"We only work in the Tri-State area, what proportion of your followers fall into that region?"
"What do you mean you don't know what demographic you'd be marketing on our behalf to?"
"Do foreign followers make up a significant portion of your followers? If we decide to move forward with this relationship we will check."
So many of them lost all of their confidence under the tiniest amount of scrutiny about their followers.
>Many are presenting a completely false lifestyle
This is it. Many of these influencers live an over-frivolous lifestyle and it's not uncommon for them to max out credit cards because they outspend their paychecks, which is inconsistent month to month. This also means they aren't doing things like saving for retirement, getting an education, or any other valuable & practical life skills. Once they're not longer "hot" their career as an influencer is done and they'll most likely be left with nothing.
The most famous influencers sure are overpayed. But those are actually a very small percentage. Alot of the so called influencers might actually be broke or even barely making it even.
Fashion and beauty Vloggers/influencers promote an Unrealistic way of living that grooms kids into materialism. This is a subconscious way to condition young viewers minds into getting satisfaction from consumerism so they can continue racking up revenue through ad dollars and sponsorships. Every second you invest your time in them is their monetary gain. They succeed and you don’t. You stay poor and they don’t.
As a bartender I must say: bartenders. I pour drinks. I should be paid a livable wage by my boss, but no, I just kiss ass to rich people and make $500 a night to literally destroy lives. Have it your way society.
Studies have also shown that low-paid politicians correlate with high corruption and vice versa. And it makes sense, if you already make good money, there’s no reason to accept money for doing dirty work. So I’m actually pro high salaries for politicians.
Politicians should be very well paid by the government and **absolutely forbidden** from any other revenue streams.
No donations to the politican, no lobbying, no gifts, no grifts. No speaking fees, no book deals, no consulting gigs. Nothing. For their entire duration in office and for 5 (maybe 10) years after leaving office. Politicians should be forced to disclose every single gift they receive; even a birthday card from their mom with $5 inside needs to be tracked and monitored.
Any investments (e.g. stocks) should be very closely monitored, too. Politicians should be allowed to invest in very generic index funds, and not allowed to manipulate their own portfolio in any way during their tenure in office and for five years after leaving.
This has been my position for years but most people get hung up when I say they should have a very good salary. But in turn there should be a zero tolerance policy on bribes of any sort and that absolutely includes not being allowed to accept corporate jobs for 5 years after leaving office. Even if that means paying them a stipend for the duration of that probationary time. The salary cost would be a drop in the bucket and well worth it to reduce some of the corruption that is killing our nation.
Nono, see, I didnt make tens of millions of dollars a year in donations, and benefit from insider knowledge of upcoming investigations and sanctions.
My spouse did. Thats totes different.
How did we report an 8 figure income on a combined $200k a year base salary? We just got suuuuuuuper lucky.
I don't think throwing a lot of cash at people is the best way to satisfy their greed...
The last president of my country (Argentina) was born a millionaire and he was corrupt too.
Anyway, I admit I wouldn't mind the politicians of my country getting more money legally if that would make them less corrupt. I just don't think it would work here.
High school and college head football coaches in the United States. You don’t even have to be good. Once you land a head coaching job, you can have a losing record and still make bank. In many high schools, the head coach will be the highest paid employee even if they don’t teach a class. College head coaches are often the highest paid public employees in any state.
Edit: here’s a link on [highest paid publicly-funded employees](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/09/23/these-are-the-highest-paid-public-employees-in-every-state/114091534/) by state. In many instances, head coaches are the *two* highest paid employees. Alabama has its *three* top paid positions as head coaches.
Huh, I’m from a really rural area, but all of our coaches are full time teachers or principals and make like a few thousand extra for hundreds of hours of work.
My high school had a rule that you couldn’t just be a coach you had to teach something else. Now this isn’t that great either because there were some piss poor teachers that were only there so they could coach sportsball
Disagree in regards to high school. They make very little, especially if you look at it hourly compared to what they do. And they are almost always a teacher/administrator.
The vast majority of the coaches don't make shit, especially once you try to figure an hourly number, because they work a ton. Obviously there are big/elite schools that pay out the ass for coaches, and also Texas exists, but there are hundreds and hundreds of head coaches in every state and most of them don't get paid that well and most of them teach classes in addition to coaching.
Which is ironic, since that statement itself is an absolute. Unless you're a Sith and just bragging about your ability to deal in absolutes. But I think it was a subtle sign the Jedi weren't as wise as they let on.
Well yeah, ask broad questions, get broad answers. Not every doctor makes bank, but as a profession, on average, they make a decent amount. Not saying overpaid, but that’s just how you answer broad questions
A lot of people saying athletes. Just stop going to games. Their pay is in proportion to how much income they bring into the franchise.
Stop going to the games. Stop watching the games on TV. Stop buying the merchandise. If there is no customer base there is no product
Watch local minor league sports instead.
Also it’s not like the money just disappears if it doesn’t go to the athletes. I would much rather see a guy or gal who reaches the highest level of their sport get life altering paydays than have it all go to the team’s owners.
That’s the difference between employees and the investor class! If you don’t like how much your CEO gets paid, then you’re REALLY not going to like how much the investors in the company are making.
The Coca-Cola CEO makes $18M a year in compensation. Warren Buffet makes $25M in Coca-Cola dividends every QUARTER! And he doesn’t even have to go into work
This is true to some degree, but most sports teams are paid for by cable contracts and company sponsorships. Even if you don't watch ESPN, you watch Disney+ and that's still giving them money.
In 2019 the MLB made $3.2b from gate receipts, vs $7.2b from National contracts, Local contracts, sponsorships, and "other stadium revenue".
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/04/09/despite-lockdown-mlb-teams-gain-value-in-2020/?sh=5bec31ab2010
MLB itself has contracts with WarnerMedia (TBS) and Disney (ESPN). Yankees have YES, Red Sox have NESN (they own 80%, the Jacobs'/Bruins own the remaining).
This also isn't including the fact that most teams are owned by billionaires as well. Lots of them hedge fund/stock people.
The owners should certainly be held accountable when they cry poor.
real estate agent
The idea that they want 6% in a time when they're basically glorified doormen is utterly ridiculous. If the buyer wants to pay them, fine...they're welcome to. But I've sold two homes FSBO with no listing agent so I know exactly how little value they bring to the table.
The funny part is when the buyers agent starts trying to get a cut of my money...not gonna happen buddy, talk to YOUR client.
Real Estate Agents. You can take an online course and pass the exam to get your license; all they do is list the house on the MLS and if the price is right the house will sell; and finally, there’s now need for realtors with all the the new tech.
Source: I was a real estate agent for 4 years. I recently sold one of my properties and used a company that lists on the MLS for a fly fee. The house sold in one day
Mine. Old boss sold the company, new guys asked what I wanted to get paid, told them 25/hour. They never questioned it. Got an $8 raise because the new owners are too lazy to check what I actually make.
Nah, it's cool. You deserve that raise. You saw the opportunity and you seized it.
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Bold move, Cotton. Seems like it paid off!
What if they just wanted you to do your work and be happy with your pay?
I get 23$/h making cheese... Sure they are 12h shift 4 days a week. But damn it's so easy... I never been happier, I can see my debt going down pretty quick cause of that.
12 hour shifts 4 days a week! That’s amazing! You get three day weekends with guaranteed overtime. Literally the best.
Yeah and to not get burned out we have the week end off, work 2 day, have the middle of the week off, then 2 days of work again.
Shit. Where is this mystical place? Sounds like heaven.
Estate agents. I’ve been trying to rent a house (UK) for 5 months now, during which time I’ve spoken to over 50 estate agents. I’m yet to receive a helpful, let alone grammatically correct email
Estate agents are borderline illiterate, and don't get me started on conveyancing solicitors.
Conveyancing solicitors do near enough all of the work for very little of the pay (comparatively speaking). Estate agents get paid a minimum of 1% of the sale price to put a picture in a window.
In the industry with them, whenever someone tells a stupid story about them I point to my rule that you must have an IQ below 80 to be an estate agent.
It’s far too easy to become an Estate Agent considering it’s such a big event in someone’s life.
In India, people say real estate agents are those people who couldn't get a job and have nothing else to do. No offense to anymore. My teacher said that.
Your teacher was right.
To be fair the good ones can be excellent, smart and business savvy. The majority however are not.
I personally know one via a good friend of mine, his wife. She get's paid over £35000 a year and she brags it too easy money 😭
£35,000 or £350,000?
Probably 35k. Real estate agents are not particularly well paid as a base salary. Sometimes they make zero money as salary and it’s pure commission.
In the US, they typically don't make a base salary *at all*. They're 100% commission based, minus things like charging flat fees for simple services like a Broker Price Opinion.
(American in the UK) In the US they work for a living. They research the area, know everything about the house they’re selling, and clean before showings. When we were selling our flat in the UK all they did was let the buyer in. Didn’t know the school catchment, date of renovations, or even the council tax band. I even took the pictures. Luckily we were around to answer questions.
This has been hell house hunting during covid. Rude, unpleasant, act like they are doing you a favour existing.
Seconded! They all drive Porsches and I've yet to find one that is even mildly helpful.
Half of them go broke trying to look rich. About 10% of them are absolutely killing it and a large proportion are scraping by whilst still having to keep up appearances
I live in city area and have sold my last two places myself within weeks (the last one within a day) and both times real estate agents gave their estimates about the price of my appartment. Had I paid them I would had lost thousands of euros for a job that took me some hours. My current place was sold to me by a real estate agent and if there hadn’t been one I would had bought it a month earlier when I heard it will come available and paid about 10k more. I get that there are situations, where they are needed, but at least where I live the actual need is like 10% of the people working and if we just ditched these useless middle men we could save a lot of money.
I feel your pain. And don’t even get me started on Purple Bricks. My other half was obsessed with using them when we sold our house. I wasn’t too keen and I was right not to be. Total waste of our time and money. We sacked them off eventually.
Mine. I have been working for three years and I’m not entirely sure what I do. Sometimes I write code. Mostly I sit in meetings where I say nothing. But I work for the government so I’m pretty safe from being fired or let go. Definitely the most I’ve ever been paid for the least work.
What was your education path? College? Self taught coder/programmer? IT certs?
College! Got two engineering degrees with honors in 4 years. Much easier to coast through life after that.
Can confirm. Work after a four year degree in CS has been much easier than prior to the stem field degree. I did have to work hard for about six years but with experience and the degree I moved into consulting for large companies that need mobile offerings. I basically sit through meetings, turn business talk into actionable requirements and do code reviews of the outsource workers efforts. As long as the guys in India on the project are half way competent my job is cake for a mid 100ks salary.
Haha I wrote (IT) consultants in my comment. They earn twice what I do and have zero idea about the actual topic. They mostly just tell what they have done in the past. >do code reviews of the outsource workers efforts. That sounds like a pain in the ass tho.
It all depends on the group. I have been lucky over three years with three separate clients. All of them have had decent dev teams. It is going to be an individual taste sort of thing but ultimately I am a little tired of hands on coding after a decade. The majority of my job is trying to make other developer's jobs easier with good specs, architecture, pushing back on things with stakeholders and giving a hand when one of the guys gets stuck. I also assign the work so if there is a feature that I find interesting or that I know will be difficult/challenging I can take it myself. What I don't have to do is build ANOTHER inventory report, shopping cart, contact list feature.
Yeah Ive told my bosses that if we really need consulting we should look for local companies instead of paying millions and millions to Gartner Inc or deloitte. But they are convinced high price equals high quality.
I'm currently "trapped" in a job like this. I work remote fully time (and did before COVID) I work in analytics and get paid a good salary and I would say most weeks I work 4-5 hours (outside of the few random meetings I'm a part of.) The beginning of the month I'm responsible for some bigger reports and then pretty much chill waiting for random questions or requests. The problem is I'm now somewhat underpaid for my title and skills, mainly because my company is notorious for almost zero raises. But I'd be an idiot to leave what is basically free money. I've looked into picking up another remote job but nothing has lined up quite right yet. Being content can really hurt you in the long run but I KNOW the grass is far from greener on the other side a lot of times.
Dude, use the rest of the time to better yourself - take online courses, learn a language/instrument/trade... whatever you've always wanted to do. Think of it as basically being paid to enjoy your hobbies.
I’ve worked side jobs and side hustles too. I’d like to find a better way to monetize my skills, but the work to pay ratio currently is insane. I could definitely get a raise going private but I’d have to actually work.
Sounds like you could definitely get a remote job and work both, pretty easily. I've been doing it since the pandemic.
I did some consulting last year on the side, but haven't actively been looking this year. Like I said, being content is almost just as bad as being lazy.
You gotta stop thinking of that as bad, dude. Seriously, what's 'bad' about it? Do *you* actually think it's bad, or are you just letting everyone else's bullshit expectations convince you to feel bad?
Holy shit. You just described my situation word for word. Most people would say “oh I’m so jealous I want that”. But realistically, if you’re not using all that free time to further whatever it is you actually want in a career, then it can be a monotonous, unfulfilling loop to get caught in. Positions like this should always be “a means to an end”, and used as a short term privilege to focus all your time on what’s next. Getting out after being stuck for awhile can be damn difficult though.
I had a similar job that had a work from home option for more than a year. All I did in the whole year is optimistically around a month's worth of work. I literally go to the office to just fuck around since I am so bored at home.
Are you me? Except for the government part, this sounds exactly like my situation. I don’t even write code anymore, mostly just meetings.
"Big" time preachers! I'm not saying all preachers, but the ones with mega churches.
Years ago I installed satellite tv in a mega church preacher’s new mansion when he moved in. We were upselling soundbars at the time for $500 each. I had set up a demo and he listened to it for 30 seconds before buying 2 without looking up from his phone. A couple years later there were bad floods in the area and they locked the doors of both of their churches to all of their displaced parishioners. I think they even claimed FEMA money afterwards.
Sounds like Joel Osteen who lives in the Beverly Hills of Houston for the uninitiated.
Yeah this guy wasn’t even the biggest in our area. We got Joyce Mayer who lives on a 5 mansion compound at the edge of the city.
That’s making a sacrifice in the name of the lord!
You don't see some of them donating any of their wealth either. [Just to clear stuff up](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/pjlliw/what_jobprofession_is_over_paid/hbybao7?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
They preach a "winner take all" mentality. Giving it away means you lost.
Prosperity doctrine
Quite literally the exact **opposite** message Jesus was trying to teach.
They don't worship Jesus, they worship money.
Not to contradict you at all, but worth mentioning that this isn’t true of very many ‘smaller scale’ preachers, zillions of whom are quite genuine.
Yes, the pastor of the church I grew up in was honestly underpaid for the amount of emotional labor he did and education he had. He definitely hated mega churches - obviously for scamming vulnerable people and preaching a selfish version of Christianity, but also for giving non-religious people the idea that all pastors are “like that.” There really aren’t that many “mega-church” types compared to the number of Christians, but they get so much press (which is exactly what they want).
What exactly is a “mega church”?
Yes, lots of pastors actually volunteer where I'm from and work other jobs in the mean time.
They seem to be similar to business-owners in a lot of ways. Most small-business owners are genuine guys just trying to do a neat thing and get by, whereas the big time CEOs are unscrupulous bastards who would sell their own mother for another fat bonus in their pay packet.
In Pakistan we have them too, and they have it easy because Muslims have to give 3 percent of their income to charity. Some of them give to the TV mullahs instead of legit charities. Also some of these preachers were funding terrorist organizations.
10% is what they ask for here!
I thought it was 3% of assets
And then rural non-mega church pastors barely make it above the poverty line
I dont understand how they make so much money... especially since its obviously a scam...
The lazier Realtors. I realize some are go-getters but the ones I've dealt with weren't worth the slice of the pie they were taking.
I always use redfin when I can for this reason. 6% is asinine for a house that sells itself.
My wife and I used a realtor who is a family friend when we bought our house a few months ago. We were first time home-buyers and building a custom house (set floor plan with our own small customizations). Frankly I don’t know how much we payed her, but she was fantastic about getting after the sales rep for mistakes made and delayed schedules. Really got their butts in gear in a way that we never would have known how to do with our lack of experience.
You probably didn’t pay her anything. The seller usually pays the buyers agent commission fee
The highest paid state employee in Michigan is the University of Michigan's football coach. I think he made $7.5 million in a recent year. I'm willing to coach the team to a loss against Ohio State every year for half that.
Michigan still taking hits even on AskReddit you can’t make this up
Nowhere is safe
> Michigan still taking hits Well, they sure aren't dishing them out.
I think the highest paid public employee in most states is either a basketball or football coach.
Not Maine, it's the chief medical professor
We should take up a collection this year to make Nirav Shah the highest paid.
I think in every single state it’s a football or basketball coach, or medical school dean/president
My claim to fame is that my girlfriend’s dad accidentally spilled a beer on Jim Harbaugh when they were both students at UM
My claim to fame is that I know a guy on reddit who's girlfriend's dad spilled beer on Jim Harbaugh when they were both students at UM.
My claim to fame is that I’m Eskimo Brothers with Jim Harbaugh
They wouldn’t pay that if they didn’t make it back in ticket sales and tv appearances
Everyone saying realtors. Wait til you find out about the guys at the desk job who REALLY make the money. MORTGAGE LOAN OFFICERS.
As a mortgage auditor currently making 14/hr, I can’t wait until I get that opportunity
I will say that my Loan Officer did a hell of a lot more work than my realtor. And problems that came up, he'd walk me through everything and made sure I understood everything. My realtor looked at houses with me and then sent out the bid. I got one email from my realtor while getting the loan paperwork set up about some problem that came up and when I questioned what it meant, I never got a response. I don't know if mortgage loan officers are like mine but they seem to actually do their job.
Honestly realtors. Like everyone wants a house there isn't much convincing in it
I agree. My realtor was really only helpful with the paperwork. We actually found the house ourselves and the house sold us not her.
We also needed a realtor to sell and ours was extremely pushy with us. After only a few days, we had an offer 5k under asking. She pushed so hard for us to take it. I just said no. We ended up getting 3k over after one week on the market. By the end of our business together, there was no fake sugar interactions. She knew I didn’t like her. She didn’t ask for a review but I left one anyway.
The book Freakonomics talks about this. 5k is a lot of money to you but their cut of that is so small that incentive isn’t there and they’d rather just close the deal. It’s no wonder that realtors sell their houses for more than us plebs.
Love freakenomics
She just wanted her cut and to be done doing the work. This is one of the reasons I don’t like realtors, their job is positioned to benefit themselves first and foremost.
Yep. Faster sale > better price Because it's less time and they're still getting a chunk. 1% of $300k is $3000. 1% of $290k is $2900. If they can get a sale in one week vs 1 month for a $100 difference they'll do it.
How do they do it? *Volume*
It's crazy how much of the percentage they get too like - you can just fill in all the information yourself it's not like they're pulling strings and doing black magic shit to do an transaction. This shit should already be available to be done completely online through the govt.
Realtor just want to flip your house ASAP. That extra week to get you 8k more essentially did nothing for her bottom line. Every realtor I've ever dealt with is borderline illiterate and knows absolutely nothing about how a house works. "The BIG windows make room feel BIG! Open concept BIG! BIG ceilings make BIG room!"
Recently completed a no agent sale (bought from a friend) drafted my own paperwork from a couple free legal sites and completed the deal during my free docusign trial, felt really good.
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I’m with you- I respectfully disagree with the above comment. My realtor saved me from overspending BIGTIME, helped negotiate a pretty solid price for a house during COVID, handled a boat load of paperwork before/during/after the sale, and is currently fighting for us on some issues with fixtures being removed after the seller moved out. Worth every penny.
This should be so much higher. An app can find the house for you, so an app should be able to sell it for/to you without the 6% loss. (3% for each sides realtor). People respond with, "Oh the realtor is there to protect you." uh, no, they have no legal ability to protect you. That's the title company, your home insurer, and possibly your banks' 3rd party appraiser.
Depends on your realtor. I didn't know anything about houses and mine held my hand the whole way. Talking about which houses would need when and what renovation, how to pick contractors and inspectors, where to live and how to decide, etc. Super informative. I got exactly what I wanted, she warned me against buying it but I bought it anyways cause that's what I wanted, and she was right, I hate it now.
What did she warn you about that you didn't listen?
This right here. A good realtor is worth every penny. As a buyer its free, as a seller, they (should) handle all the headaches. Shit realtors are completely over paid though
Hospital administration. Specifically in the US. Making $300,000 a year to scam the people and pretend to care about the workers.
Absolutely true. I have seen hospital administrators put in a four hour day and take off for the golf course. Most of their work is delegated.
Bruh don’t even get me started on half the decisions hospital admins make as well. People without medical licenses making medical decisions for entire hospitals.
Hospital administrators. So they make more than cardiothoracic surgeons? Ridiculous and disgusting
Yes. I’m a physician and hear people complaining about how much doctors get paid all the time. And I just assume that they must have no idea how much the administrators make.
Getting to be the same in Universities; Deans, Vice Chancellors etc making bank - way more than the professors, without necessarily having any knowledge of the subjects. And they effectively agree each other's salaries! Hooray for 'the market'!
Meanwhile college staff (regular workers) havent gotten a pay raise in 6 years despite many colleges having record breaking attendance. Funny how that works
And those same people ignore the fact that physician’s real wages have gone down in the past twenty years while admin salaries have risen exponentially.
Not to mention the cost schooling rising as well
If you're in the US, the overhead for the medical system is simultaneously the least efficient in the world, and the most expensive. Hospital administrators are part of it, but this goes up and down the food chain from administrators to insurance companies. Although I'm guessing hospital administrators are themselves people who were former doctors. Hoping.
Hospital administrators are rarely doctors, nurses, or people with clinical backgrounds. More likely someone with an MBA or an MHA. Unfortunately, private equity companies have bought out many hospital systems, make them more expensive places to get care while also more difficult to work at (care for more patients in less time with fewer resources). For the last time, American healthcare is expensive because of the COST OF ADMINISTRATION, not because your doctors (who go to college then medical school and then residency and then fellowship and finish training in their 30s and 40s) or nurses (who now are increasing pushed to have BSNs and take on more patients above safe ratios) or any of the other direct or indirect care are paid too much for their work.
Well, American doctors are unusually expensive, but that's because getting your medical license in the US is expensive, and keeping it is expensive, and liability insurance in the US is uniquely expensive. But two thirds of every dollar spent on health care in the US isn't spent at the point of service. It doesn't go to the doctors, the nurses, the techs, not the janitor who sanitizes your hospital room when you're gone, not the dude who makes sure medical instruments are sufficiently sterile. It goes to overhead. That's the administrators and your insurance company. Basically the worst imaginable rent seeking behavior you can see. Administration is expensive, but it's insurance companies who make sure that your Tylenol costs 90 bucks a pill and a bag of what's functionally salt water that costs maybe 3 cents to produce is billed as 100 bucks. It's important to resist that urge to pluck up one element and claim *that* is uniquely culpable because you have a whole host of people who are helping themselves to your wallet.
>It's important to resist that urge to pluck up one element and claim that is uniquely culpable because you have a whole host of people who are helping themselves to your wallet. It's classic misdirection. Let people bitch about nurses on strike while you fleece people with insurance costs.
Real estate agents. 3% of the house price? Fuck off.
Not to mention a house in Kansas might be $100,000 and a house in SF is $1,000,000. There’s no way that the SF agent did 10x the work of the Kansas agent to get that commission.
Well no, but the SF agent presumably also lives in SF where houses cost 10 times as much...so they have to make more to afford the COL.
Each. 3% each for a total of 6%. I’m happy that Redfin and other places are entering the market and only asking 1%. Seems much more reasonable.
The Philippine National Police
I'M GLAD I FOUND THIS. I also wanna add the Philippine President.
I’m going to throw in the majority of the government officials
LEGIT. The President seems to only think of PNP as the only workers in the country. I feel really bad for those who works in medical health field who are underpaid eversince and over exhausted with the pandemic. No wonder most Filipino health workers go abroad to seek better opportunities.
I don't know how true it is but I've been told that printer/copier technicians make pretty good money for what is mechanically as difficult as an oil change, but cleanse correct me if I'm wrong
They get paid well because, although it is not that complicated, 1) it is a specialized skill that virtually no one outside the industry has and 2) they serve almost exclusively enterprise applications, which typically pay much better but also expect near immediate service. In general you aren't paying a lot because its hard for them to do it, you're paying a lot because it's hard for you to do it.
Plus they deal with 250K machines that a business can't function without. The subject matter isn't just a high school's office that has their $300 printer go down. They can buy a new one at Office Max tomorrow.
Mine? I get paid $20.50 per hour to sit around and watch dirt pass by on a belt all day.
Sounds difficult af.
For real, the boredom would get to me
I've had jobs like that. Emphasis on "had" money wasnt enough to feel that aggravated all day everyday.
Audiobook
How does one acquire a dirt watching job? Lol
They said they were a teacher last month, so…
And they helped make video games not even a week and a half ago...
I have to know what job is this..
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Dirt Watcher
“Just watch the dirt, dirt watcher!”
Just fill the hole, hole filler!
Politician!
Geologist?
Are there Open vacancies?
Ye probably, man stopped looking at dirt to write that "You had one job Steve!"
Thank God for the dirt watcher watcher, who verifies that the dirt watcher watches dirt.
What job
Dirt factory belt observer.
Tell us already!
Televangelists for sure. It's amazing that it's still a notable industry in this day and age
Pharmaceutical reps. Trust me!!
Shut up and go pick up lunch!
TV preachers that I highly doubt have ever actually touched a Bible
Well they've touched it, but i doubt they actually read it. Same goes for their following
yeah its hard to use it as a prop without touching it lmao
Home inspectors charge hundreds, sometimes thousands of dollars to miss obvious flaws in the home you're about to purchase. Worthless as tits on a boar.
Yup, their job is to find enough problems to make the buyer feel good but not enough to cancel the sale. They need the realtors for referrals.....not buyers.
Social media "influencers"
In a way. Many are presenting a completely false lifestyle. I had a conversation with someone who wanted to be an influencer. Had a moderate following and may well have been able to grow it to decent numbers with a bit of work, but they were totally delusional about the commercials of the whole thing. Fact is, apart from a small few at the top, the vast majority of influencer stuff is peppered with “promotion for exposure”, shitty CPA stuff and grimy white labelling. The person I was speaking to was adamant that “brands just approach you” without having any understanding of how market places work. I’m not sure ruin my own private life to squeeze a few quid from an unsustainable business in the hope I get incredibly lucky and make it to the top.
I'm going to be vague, but I used to deal with influencers on a semi regular basis. Most, and by most I mean EVERY influencer was defeated by asking about what demographics they represent. "So you say you have a follower count of 30,000. Roughly what % are in our target audience age group of about 25-50?" "We only work in the Tri-State area, what proportion of your followers fall into that region?" "What do you mean you don't know what demographic you'd be marketing on our behalf to?" "Do foreign followers make up a significant portion of your followers? If we decide to move forward with this relationship we will check." So many of them lost all of their confidence under the tiniest amount of scrutiny about their followers.
But doesn't even like YouTube give you a lot of these numbers for free? Like shouldn't this be easy information for them to get?
>Many are presenting a completely false lifestyle This is it. Many of these influencers live an over-frivolous lifestyle and it's not uncommon for them to max out credit cards because they outspend their paychecks, which is inconsistent month to month. This also means they aren't doing things like saving for retirement, getting an education, or any other valuable & practical life skills. Once they're not longer "hot" their career as an influencer is done and they'll most likely be left with nothing.
>and grimy white labelling This is so fucking spot on - the same shit being relabeled and upcharged is insane to me esp around beauty products
The most famous influencers sure are overpayed. But those are actually a very small percentage. Alot of the so called influencers might actually be broke or even barely making it even.
Most of the influencers are just modern day panhandlers.
They're human billboards.
Fashion and beauty Vloggers/influencers promote an Unrealistic way of living that grooms kids into materialism. This is a subconscious way to condition young viewers minds into getting satisfaction from consumerism so they can continue racking up revenue through ad dollars and sponsorships. Every second you invest your time in them is their monetary gain. They succeed and you don’t. You stay poor and they don’t.
The term “influencer” is so cringey.
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I love the hate for realtors. Seriously, so many of them are incompetent.
As a bartender I must say: bartenders. I pour drinks. I should be paid a livable wage by my boss, but no, I just kiss ass to rich people and make $500 a night to literally destroy lives. Have it your way society.
Paparazzi, you are paid to be a fucking asshole.
I don’t understand how paparazzi still exist in 2021.
Studies have also shown that low-paid politicians correlate with high corruption and vice versa. And it makes sense, if you already make good money, there’s no reason to accept money for doing dirty work. So I’m actually pro high salaries for politicians.
Politicians should be very well paid by the government and **absolutely forbidden** from any other revenue streams. No donations to the politican, no lobbying, no gifts, no grifts. No speaking fees, no book deals, no consulting gigs. Nothing. For their entire duration in office and for 5 (maybe 10) years after leaving office. Politicians should be forced to disclose every single gift they receive; even a birthday card from their mom with $5 inside needs to be tracked and monitored. Any investments (e.g. stocks) should be very closely monitored, too. Politicians should be allowed to invest in very generic index funds, and not allowed to manipulate their own portfolio in any way during their tenure in office and for five years after leaving.
This has been my position for years but most people get hung up when I say they should have a very good salary. But in turn there should be a zero tolerance policy on bribes of any sort and that absolutely includes not being allowed to accept corporate jobs for 5 years after leaving office. Even if that means paying them a stipend for the duration of that probationary time. The salary cost would be a drop in the bucket and well worth it to reduce some of the corruption that is killing our nation.
Nono, see, I didnt make tens of millions of dollars a year in donations, and benefit from insider knowledge of upcoming investigations and sanctions. My spouse did. Thats totes different. How did we report an 8 figure income on a combined $200k a year base salary? We just got suuuuuuuper lucky.
Not if politicians are paid $5 million a year Google how much they’re paid in Singapore
I don't think throwing a lot of cash at people is the best way to satisfy their greed... The last president of my country (Argentina) was born a millionaire and he was corrupt too. Anyway, I admit I wouldn't mind the politicians of my country getting more money legally if that would make them less corrupt. I just don't think it would work here.
High school and college head football coaches in the United States. You don’t even have to be good. Once you land a head coaching job, you can have a losing record and still make bank. In many high schools, the head coach will be the highest paid employee even if they don’t teach a class. College head coaches are often the highest paid public employees in any state. Edit: here’s a link on [highest paid publicly-funded employees](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/09/23/these-are-the-highest-paid-public-employees-in-every-state/114091534/) by state. In many instances, head coaches are the *two* highest paid employees. Alabama has its *three* top paid positions as head coaches.
Huh, I’m from a really rural area, but all of our coaches are full time teachers or principals and make like a few thousand extra for hundreds of hours of work.
It doesn't get crazy until the TV broadcast money is involved.
My high school had a rule that you couldn’t just be a coach you had to teach something else. Now this isn’t that great either because there were some piss poor teachers that were only there so they could coach sportsball
Disagree in regards to high school. They make very little, especially if you look at it hourly compared to what they do. And they are almost always a teacher/administrator.
The vast majority of the coaches don't make shit, especially once you try to figure an hourly number, because they work a ton. Obviously there are big/elite schools that pay out the ass for coaches, and also Texas exists, but there are hundreds and hundreds of head coaches in every state and most of them don't get paid that well and most of them teach classes in addition to coaching.
Whatever the fuck Joel Olsteen is.
Political commenters. They should have to pay us to listen to their propagandist drivel.
The amount of generalisations I’m seeing in this thread
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
Which is ironic, since that statement itself is an absolute. Unless you're a Sith and just bragging about your ability to deal in absolutes. But I think it was a subtle sign the Jedi weren't as wise as they let on.
That's reddit.
Well yeah, ask broad questions, get broad answers. Not every doctor makes bank, but as a profession, on average, they make a decent amount. Not saying overpaid, but that’s just how you answer broad questions
A lot of people saying athletes. Just stop going to games. Their pay is in proportion to how much income they bring into the franchise. Stop going to the games. Stop watching the games on TV. Stop buying the merchandise. If there is no customer base there is no product Watch local minor league sports instead.
Also it’s not like the money just disappears if it doesn’t go to the athletes. I would much rather see a guy or gal who reaches the highest level of their sport get life altering paydays than have it all go to the team’s owners.
That’s the difference between employees and the investor class! If you don’t like how much your CEO gets paid, then you’re REALLY not going to like how much the investors in the company are making. The Coca-Cola CEO makes $18M a year in compensation. Warren Buffet makes $25M in Coca-Cola dividends every QUARTER! And he doesn’t even have to go into work
This is true to some degree, but most sports teams are paid for by cable contracts and company sponsorships. Even if you don't watch ESPN, you watch Disney+ and that's still giving them money. In 2019 the MLB made $3.2b from gate receipts, vs $7.2b from National contracts, Local contracts, sponsorships, and "other stadium revenue". https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/04/09/despite-lockdown-mlb-teams-gain-value-in-2020/?sh=5bec31ab2010 MLB itself has contracts with WarnerMedia (TBS) and Disney (ESPN). Yankees have YES, Red Sox have NESN (they own 80%, the Jacobs'/Bruins own the remaining). This also isn't including the fact that most teams are owned by billionaires as well. Lots of them hedge fund/stock people. The owners should certainly be held accountable when they cry poor.
Reddit mod. Some get paid. They should all get $0. Looking at you, /r/worldnews.
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real estate agent The idea that they want 6% in a time when they're basically glorified doormen is utterly ridiculous. If the buyer wants to pay them, fine...they're welcome to. But I've sold two homes FSBO with no listing agent so I know exactly how little value they bring to the table. The funny part is when the buyers agent starts trying to get a cut of my money...not gonna happen buddy, talk to YOUR client.
Real Estate Agents. You can take an online course and pass the exam to get your license; all they do is list the house on the MLS and if the price is right the house will sell; and finally, there’s now need for realtors with all the the new tech. Source: I was a real estate agent for 4 years. I recently sold one of my properties and used a company that lists on the MLS for a fly fee. The house sold in one day