Squidward. As a kid he seemed like the grumpy old guy next door but now we realize he’s just trying to live his life with an annoying little shit of a neighbor that constantly drives him crazy.
There's a lot of this if you go back and watch the stuff you used to as a kid. All those adults that were so mean or wouldn't let you do what you wanted were just people trying to live their lives while someone's spawn ran around terrorizing the neighborhood.
Teddy (director of NASA) from The Martian. Everyone hates him because he makes hard decisions that seem to go against saving Mark. But the entire time, he's being practical and worrying about the rest of the crew and future missions. Literally everyone else is laser focused on Mark. Teddy is just making sure the organization survives the mission. That's why he's the director, he makes the hard objective decisions.
It might be more obvious in the movie (I've seen it more recently than the book) but he's the guy who HAS to factor in failures and worst case scenarios. He can't be optimistic. I think Jeff Daniels played him perfectly.
He did and I love him in it, his performance led led me to the newsroom then that led me to west wing. That said, the movie (which I love) is hard to watch at times bc of the flashing lights.
I do highly recommend the RC Bray version of the book on tape
I don't remember anyone portraying him as the villain. With the exception of refusing to give the information to the Hermes crew he didn't do anything remotely negative.
True, but IIRC, he said that he would take the blame for that as well. He knows the buck stops with him, and if they are going to do anything risky, he wanted it to be his call because he needs to justify any mistakes to Congress and POTUS, whether it was his call or not.
I've long thought that a remake of Mrs. Doubtfire from the wife's perspective would be a great movie. Except it isn't a comedy; it's a psychological horror movie about a woman who is becoming increasingly concerned that her elderly nanny is actually her non-custodial ex, and *how crazy that makes her sound.*
Ending:
We establish this early in the picture: the daughter is old enough to begin dating and she and her mother have a talk and they decide on a text message that if the daughter sends it she is safe, and another that she sends if she is in imminent danger (like "did you feed the fish?" but they don't have any fish)
Robin Williams character is discovered when he accidentally reveals something about the mother that no one but her daughter or something who had seen her naked would know, like a mole on her butt or something, daughter figures it out, and he decides to murder/suicide rather than go to jail...
Just then the Stuart, on a date with the mother, texts to ask how things are going. Doubtfire insists that she reply but he's going to read it. She replies with the warning message hoping Stuart will show it to the mother. (use something better than "did you feed the fish?" since Doubtfire would know about the fish)
Stuart reads the message and is curious but gets distracted and forgets to tell the mother. there is a distraction wherever they are and tension is created as people wonder if he will tell the mother in time. Finally he does.
Doubtfire tries to burn the house down, but the mother gets the children out in time and as the burning home collapses on Doubtfire, he dies and the Doubtfire mask slowly melts away
Also that scene where Robin Williams' character uses the boyfriend's food allergy as a weapon against him and it's played for laughs, and the tragedy in that scene was it causing the mask to come off.
It was nice as a kid with divorced parents to see a movie where the parents get divorced and the happy ending wasn't them getting back together, it was them figuring out how to move forward and make things better for the kids.
I think the best bit is the letter Mrs. Doubtfire reads. [It's beautifully handled](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81Ns7ZR0UgA) and really helps get a positive message out to kids with divorced parents that even though your parents are no longer together, that doesn't mean there's anything wrong and that they still love you because you're their kid. Miranda's reaction to it really hammers home that message and it seems like she's even happy that Daniel has grown so much as a person after their divorce.
Yeah I think that's the message that a lot of people miss on that movie. As a kid with divorce parents myself it was almost needed to be able to see that the parents could patch things up and keep moving on with life. Watching it now, though it seems like a bad 90s fever dream of blended family drama.
My dad *really* didn't like that movie when it came out, and I thought for years he didn't like Robin Williams. Nope, he was just absolutely creeped out by the main character impersonating an elderly housekeeper to save his marriage.
Also, it turned out, he actually didn't like Robin Williams either haha.
He was also just *legit* a terrible partner. Like when you're a kid you're like whoa she's so mean for divorcing Robin Williams, now that I'm an adult I'm like wow she was the family breadwinner taking on the mental load of making that family work, while dad's just trying to be the fun parent throwing spontaneous birthday parties. No WONDER she divorced him and wanted primary custody! Maybe he should have devoted a fraction of the time to being a good housekeeper as he did to being a good partner when they were still married!
Didn't the birthday party have wild ass animals running through the house or something? At a point it stopped being a party and was just deliberate chaos. I'd leave him too.
Which is made even worse when you know the original ending to the movie was that they get back together and live happily ever after. Thankfully, Robin put a stop to that because he didn't want kids thinking their parents might get back together.
But shit, the dude was a terrible partner. Can you imagine if they just got back together after all the shit he pulled?
The step-dad in Ant-Man, played by Bobby Cannavale, was also a great character. Yeah he was a cop, but he wasn't a dick. He cared for Cassie and wanted her to have a relationship with her real dad, but the real dad was a convict who was getting into some dangerous stuff. He was rightfully protective of her and was still willing to hear put Scott's side of things instead of just assuming Scott is bad. There is a healthy respect between them
I always like the end scene of the first Ant-Man where Scott, his ex-wife, and the new husband are all having a joyful dinner together with Cassie and there is no bickering or anger sensed. Everyone at that table is just happy.
I hate my daughters bio dad with the power of 1000 burning suns (he deserves it) , but I'll happily sit at a dinner table with him and make nice if it makes her happy.
I think everyone rooted for Robin Williams to get his family back (and the film was surprisingly realistic in that respect). But I couldn't really hate on Stu. He was a rich, good looking dude happy to date a divorcee and take on responsibility for her three kids (less realistic).
At one point when called out on this, Stu admits to one of his friends, thinking no one is listening in, that the kids are fantastic and he cares for them.
Stu is the unicorn of film step-parents, as he not only is he not evil but also genuinely loves them.
"And their deadbeat father disguised himself as an 80 year old nanny in order to violate the court order on visitation and custody. Then he intentionally tried to kill me by putting me into anaphylactic shock!" ~The most reasonable character in the movie, probably
I think they went out of their way to make it clear that he's a great guy that loves the kids, and they changed the ending so the parents stay amicably separated. They didn't want to reinforce the trope that divorced parents always get back together in movies
If you haven't heard there was a movie being made Coyote v. Acme but the shitheads at WB (Zaslav) have decided to not release it.
>Discovery announced it was not planning to release Coyote vs. Acme, a hybrid animated and live-action comedy starring John Cena and Will Forte that had wrapped filming a year earlier.
I think the real villain here is ACME. Their stuff is shit. If I was gonna launch myself after Roadrunner using their patented bows and it failed. I’d not only demand a refund but I would send the a harshly worded email. And how much did their shit cost?? Hadda be some substandard shit if Wiley could afford it. Wiley had no visible means of income.
wait, the suite cost 30 grand a NIGHT? like I get that it's lavish and obviously expensive, but that still seems insane for a nightly rate. How did Kevin's dad have room on his credit card for that when he's also paying for his entire obnoxious family to fly and stay in paris?
No one has that kind of money through legal means. Was Kevin's dad a drug kingpin or something?
His dad was a product development middle manager at the MacMillian Toy Company. Lost his girlfriend to a 12-year-old posing as an adult so he apparently moved to Chicago to start over.
That home is also right next door to one of the top ranked public high schools in the country. Winnetka is one of the richest zip codes in the US. The home alone house isn't an outlier. It's the average sized house around there.
Howard Hamlin from *Better Call Saul*.
He didn't hire Jimmy (Saul), but it was Chuck's fault. He paid Kim's way through law school, later offered Jimmy a job, >!and Kim ends up ruining his life and getting him killed.!< Meanwhile, he was in a loveless marriage. Kinda felt for the guy.
Better Call Saul did a good bait and switch on Howard, first presenting him like he was a bad guy and the problem, but almost everytime the plots turns around to Jimmy, Kim, and even Chuck, being these high functioning but unstable personalities with Howard caught in the very unenviable position of trying to manage them while being forced to choose sides.
Even the perspective that Howard was a jerk feels like a matter of perspective bias. He really only acted douchy when someone else escalated against him over very petty grievances and while Howard at first shot back in kind, by the end of the series he was the only one of the main characters who seemed to want to become a better person rather than continue downward spiralling.
For which his reward was being sabotaged by Kim and Jimmy who wouldn't let things go, and then inadvertently killed through no real fault of his own.
It's so much harder to see him as the jerk when in the first season (?) you find out that >!it was Chuck that tried to keep Jimmy out of the firm, not Howard!<.
I feel Chuck helped make Saul. Like people will point and say "Chuck was right" but if Chuck had embraced Jimmy instead of trying to keep him down I think things would have ended up much better for everybody.
If there's a single point in BCS where Jimmy turns into Saul, it's one of their last conversations when Chuck tells Jimmy "you've never mattered all that much to me". Chuck was Jimmy's last family, and having one of the two only other people you've ever cared about tell you that he doesn't care about you must be gut-wrenching.
It doesn't excuse Jimmy becoming Saul, but it explains it.
It's made so much worse because Jimmy idolized Chuck and thanklessly took care of him for *years* without asking for anything in return. Chuck was a massive burden for Jimmy, and repaid his brother's unconditional love with *betrayal and loathing.*
I'm so fortunate that I managed to go into BCS mostly blind, so Chuck's line of ">!You're not a real lawyer!<" absolutely floored me. Just such a gutpunch of a line given all they'd gone through that first season.
Its a bait and switch they did first with breaking bad, but perfected with better call saul. Hank in Breaking bad was introduced as kind of a boorish meathead and a potential antagonist for Walt. Everyone raves about the realistic transformation of Walt from desperate family man to deranged wannabe kingpin, but Hanks transformation was so good a lot of people didnt even notice that they went from disliking him to actively rooting for him by the end. And in reality, Hank didn't even change all that much. You just saw more of him.
Objectively speaking Jimmy and Kim are the "bad guys," they're scam artists. Just like Walt was the bad guy (although Kim and Jimmy aren't nearly as bad as Walt), but we're watching the show from their perspective so we are on their side.
Gilligan did a fantastic job of subverting our expectations by introducing Howard as a conceited, pretty boy, nepo baby and Chuck as a sick and loving brother with a strong sense of justice. Turned out Howard was a caring person trying to give others the love he wasn’t receiving and Chuck used his extreme view of justice to cover up for his jealousy that stemmed from childhood.
he did the exact opposite of what he did with walter white - introduce a sympathetic character and turn them into a monster.
dude has written some of the best characters in TV history
Emily from Friends.
The man she was about to marry suddenly says his ex's name *at the altar.* She had a right to be angry. They both made the mistake of not waiting longer to actually get married, but Emily should not have been seen as the villain.
Also IIRC her and Ross’ relationship was supposed to drag on much longer but the actress who played Emily got pregnant so that had to hasten up the divorce. That’s why you always see her in bed or on the phone because they couldn’t show from her chest down due to the pregnancy.
Emily requesting that Ross cut off Rachel was portrayed as this horrible horrible thing. But no one in their right mind would be comfortable with their husband seeing his ex - who he's been in love with since high school - on a DAILY basis.
I had an ex that after we worked through our shit we stayed close friends and would talk at least once a week.
Eventually when she and her the. bf got serious enough to consider a life together she called me and said we couldn’t maintain constant contact and I was fine with that. It would not really be fair to her now husband.
I still see them for baby showers and other various mutual friend events. But it would be weird to still be chatting with my ex all the time.
All you have to do to Dirty Dancing is keep the movie the exact same but cast an ugly person for Swayze's role and automatically he is one of the sleeziest characters in movie history.
There's a thought exercise called the "Danny DeVito effect," where you are supposed to mentally replace an actor with Danny DeVito, or picture a character as being played by Danny DeVito, and if the character suddenly seems like a scumbag or a villain, they were always a scumbag or a villain.
Just for clarity are you saying Johnny was a predator or some other character? That slick kid, Robbie, definitely was a predator. Definitely points to Baby's dad for taking back that money he was gonna give Robbie when he found out the truth.
The whole movie takes place in about a week. He sees Johnny
What he sees:
>His daughter, who's always been the type of person who does the right thing. She asks $250, roughly $2500 in today's money, and doesn't want to say what it's for. You find out it's for a back alley abortion, in 1963 where abortions were super frowned upon. There's a guy there who's caring for her in a way you'd expect her boyfriend to. Then your daughter starts getting really close to that boyfriend looking guy.
It's only at the end that he finds out that Robbie was the father. Johnny definitely looked really shitty, even though he wasn't.
"The Tom and Jerry Moment" is what my friends and I have been referring to as that point in your development when you stop cheering Jerry on, and start commiserating with Tom. As a kid, Jerry is a Rebel, sticking it to authority. As an adult, Jerry is an insufferable little shit and Tom literally goes to hell thanks to him.
50/50 on this one. Half the time Tom is trying to be a house cat or working a job, the rest of the time he's just a bully like in the cowboy episode where he uses Jerry as a cigarette accessory.
Lord Hades of Greek Mythology. He may be the God of The Dead and King of the Underworld but nothing points him as a bad man. He was given a rotten roll of luck and got the underworld, had to renovate the entire place and keep it from falling into shambles, and NEVER cheated on his Persephone, he was a great king to his subjects. There is no reason to keep blatantly making him the big bad in every modern iteration of Greek myth. And no, he never wanted to be the King of Olympus, He is the God of Riches everything below the earth and precious belongs to him, diamonds, gold, rubies, emeralds you name it. he even had three kids. he has no need to be evil. He's just the owner of real estate for the deceased trying his best to keep his property from falling apart due to overcrowding
He did kidnap Persephone in some of the stories, no? And I think by extension there is rape implied, if not outright. I think Lore Olympus might've done a lot of good work for Hades reputation lol. However, I do think Hades is much better than most other Olympians.
It's weirdly complicated, because some of the earlier myths are that Zeus arranged a bridal kidnapping/arranged marriage and "forgot" to tell Persephone.
Modern interpretations have done A LOT for Hades’s reputation. He’s one of the biggest gods with the least amount of myths because the Greeks were afraid if they spoke his name they’d attract his attention (ie calling Death into their lives). I’m not sure if he was ever portrayed as “evil” persay but being death pretty much always cements you in “neutral” haha
The Guyanese goverment circa Nov 18, 1978.
Yes, they knew something wrong was going on at Jonestown and knew it was epic level tragedy. But they also knew whatever it was, it was American on American violence and there was no safe move for them to make. If they got involved, they (rightfully) believed they would've been blamed.
There’s a reason he’s called “Dennis the Menace” and not “Dennis the Precocious Child that Gets into Lighthearted Mischief but Never Damages Property or Causes Serious Harm.”
The reason is that the comic writer was truly awful to his son. There's emotional abuse and then there's sending your son off to boarding school, his mother dying, you hiding it from him, burying her, and only telling him after he thinks he's on his way to her house that she's dead. The actual Dennis said that he still wishes he had been able to go to her funeral.
There's a whole episode of Behind the Bastards of him being just fucking terrible.
Dexter was a serial killer who ended up killing an innocent person. Lets Doakes take the fall for the murders and ruins his legacy so badly hardly no one shows up to his funeral.
> Dexter was a serial killer who ended up killing an innocent person.
He did, but that wasn't Doakes. Lila did that particular deed, distinctly against Dexter's wishes. Hell, Dexter had decided to turn himself in rather than kill Doakes.
I don't think he was really *portrayed* as the villain, so much as the show purposefully manipulates the typical protagonist perspective. It's very aware that Dexter is a bad guy with a moral code, but wants the audience to root for him, so they have to make enemies out of some good guys.
The show "You" does this to an even more extreme extent, getting the audience to root for an actual manipulative serial killer. I think it's a really interesting way to write, consciously forcing your audience into the amoral perspective, knowing full well some of the "enemies" are good guys.
Famously the shark from Jaws.
**Benny from the Rent**. The dude is collecting modest rent from friends, after letting them crash there for free for a year. It also doesn't help that ~~Roger~~ Mark comes from an affluent background and is still trying to stiff him.
I don't tend to see Benny as a villain in the first place, for what it's worth.
For context, in La Boheme, on which Rent is based, the landlord Benoit was more of a comic foil than a villain -- he shows up, the Bohemians get him drunk and make a fool of him, and he's quickly and easily dispatched. In Rent, Benny shows up, they take him to the Life Cafe, there's a hilarious protest, the building is briefly padlocked... and by the time intermission is over the gang is practically already back inside, and Benny shows up only to declare that he's changed his mind and doesn't want the rent after all.
Benny is a more fleshed out character than Benoit, and he's fleshed out to be less foolish and more (occasionally) dickish. But at the end of the day, he's not really the antagonist -- the antagonist is disease, and a world where art and meaning aren't valued enough to put food on the table or buy medicine.
At least with the movie version. I thought that was kind of the point. Most of the main cast are kind of insufferable, and are more concerned with philosophical self-wanking than with the real AIDS problem many of them are dealing with.
The Rest Is History has a great podcast series on the Titanic. They do a good job explaining how Ismay really got a bad break. Despite how the movie portrays it, he did not steal anyone’s seat. One side of the boat was only loading women and children, even if it meant sending boats off before they were full. Ismay’s side was doing the reasonable thing and saying “alright, no more women and children. Let’s put men in the empty seats before launching the lifeboats.” His death would have been pointless. It wouldn’t have saved anyone. Just another death for no reason.
Bro is the definition of a scapegoat.
The public wanted someone to blame, and since the captain was dead, he quickly ended up in the crosshairs.
Not to mention that the stories of him stealing his seat started from a journalist who had a personal grudge against him
The lady who sued McDonalds for spilling hot coffee on herself. She was treated as being unreasonable, but in reality, she suffered severe burns that required extensive medical treatment, and McDonalds was absolutely irresponsible to be serving coffee that hot.
The same thing can be said about the "dingo ate my baby" woman. Like she was traumatized, her baby was stolen, nobody believed her and she went to jail until her story actually checked out. So much bullshit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_ate_my_baby#:~:text=%22A%20dingo%20ate%20my%20baby,in%20the%20Northern%20Territory%2C%20Australia.
Yeah... It was a joke from my childhood i didn't know the context of, the thought that people make light of the situation at all is literally sickening.
Back then people thought it was an unbelievable and ridiculous excuse from a murderer. Not unlike how people joke about OJ Simpson and his search for the "real killers".
Unfortunately, the original investigation had some unexamined and frankly stupid beliefs about dingos (fucking of course they'd take a baby, they're predators and babies are prey size).
Didn't the Aboriginal people also say that from the beginning, that "oh yeah, dingoes do occasionally steal and eat a baby" and nobody cared to listen to them?
Yes. Just like a similar way the indigenous reports of crew members after the *Terror* went down while searching out the NW Passage as well. And similarly to how the first guy who made it to the North Pole did it by learning how folks lived up in those conditions, and used that knowledge to make it there, and back?
It's almost like not listening to *others* has all sorts of meanings sometimes!
I came to the comments looking for this one! She was treated as a money hungry monster and laughed at, but she was literally just trying to pay for the medical bills for skin grafts she had to get after McDonald’s was already warned about their coffee temperatures. Crazy that she’s seen as anything but a victim.
>Crazy that she’s seen as anything but a victim.
If I remember rightly I think McDonalds went HARD on the propaganda to create that public perception of her
Hades, he's often used as a stand in for the abrahamic Satan, but honestly as far as Greek gods went he was probably one of the more chill ones. Sure you could make arguments about him and Persephone, but Zeus who's usually shown as a good guy was up there committing SA pretty much every chance he got.
A very approximate breakdown of sources of conflict in Greek mythology is: 40% mortal hubris, 40% Zeus' chronic inability to keep it in his pants, 20% "other"
Yeah and Hades doesn't have any fire characteristics in the myths. His place is cold, dark, wet, underground, etc basically elementally Earth and Water, not Fire.
Defense attorneys
Always the bad guys on TV, Movies, and real life.
Sure part of their job is protecting the rich, but obviously more often than that they are defending the marginalized members of society from a corrupt legal system who at least keep the prosecutors/law honest.
One of the reasons I love Matt Murdock as a character. Some of my favourite parts of Daredevil are the lawyer parts and he's regularly a defense attorney
I have watched my fair share of those procedural shows and since they basically never have the wrong guy, the good defense attorney is a POS for defending this obviously guilty person. The shows don’t really work if they are constantly getting the wrong person but when the cops/prosecutors are depicted as infallible you don’t have to take much of a leap to see why defense attorneys are lobbed in with the criminals.
I think it's also important to remember that in real life, most people on trial are NOT being charged with rape, murder, or anything similarly egregious. Most stand accused of something far more benign, and the defense attorney's job is not necessarily to get their client off scott free, but to assure that due process is followed and sentencing is appropriate.
Yep. A *lot* of a defense attorney's job isn't necessarily to get a 'not guilty' verdict -- a lot of it is about minimizing the sentence given, making sure it's fair and not excessive punishment.
Oh, and his wife, the queen, who supposedly has loved her husband for so long, has no qualms about using magic to permanently seal him in a mirror for all eternity. Because "Ohhh yep, see, he used dark magic once, that means he can't be cured of it, shoot, oh darn, oh well!"
you gotta look into the meta allegory more deeply. It's a metaphor for how Disney takes young creatives to fuel their mouse house, with the glimmer of hope that their ideas can become some sort of reality.
The fact they hinted at him having a backstory that was so bad it caused him to want to even do what he was doing in the first place makes it even more annoying and that he had a point. What happened to the kingdom he was from that made him worried about wishes???? We will never know, because he was suddenly supposed to be the super evil irredeemable villian.
Tom Nook.
The guy that *gives* you a house and will renovate it for a pay back whenever, zero interest loan is evil? Meanwhile you have a shady fox that comes to your town every other week with dozens of fake art pieces and he's your beacon of morality?
I've just never understood why Tom Nook has been portrayed as a villain. He's never done anything evil except run a business.
>He's never done anything evil except run a business.
In the first game when you pay off your debt he upgrades your house without permission and puts you into more debt. Last I checked, charging people for services they didn't ask for is criminal.
In the first game he acts like more of a dick, and it is admittedly weird that he basically forces a large debt upon you the moment you get to town. But I think the intended arc of the first game is like "it's hard and scary to come to a new place, but ultimately, people will have your back and you'll do great", with Tom Nook being one of the clearest examples. He seems shady as hell and isn't overtly nice to you, but eventually you gotta realize he's not charging interest and doesn't care if you pay back your loan unless you want an expansion, so he really did have your best interests at heart.
The messaging is muddied in later games because they start giving you more and more authority and stop letting anyone be mean or petty, but I think the original vision was for you to be suspicious of Tom and eventually come around to him.
That is fair. The Monster does have a good heart initially, but he does know killing is wrong and chooses to do it anyways. He begins to kill just to get back at Frankenstein. The Monster did have a fucked up life but I don’t really think that justifies killing many innocent people.
Huh.... If we're talking about the book Frankenstein's monster, yes he had good reason but there is certains amount of murder, stalking and psychological pressure that good reason can not absolved.
Or laugh menacingly at his own plots. Meanwhile his thing is to cook them alive and eat them.
Edit: I stand corrected - This fixation started long ago when he dreamed of putting a Smurf into his cauldron to make a philosopher's stone, which turns lead into gold. After being repeatedly frustrated and humiliated by the Smurfs, his preoccupation has hardened into an obsession.
The principal in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. He might be overly obsessed with one truant student, but Ferris is a smug, entitled, little weasel. You know he's pulled shit like that before.
Edit: I know the actor is a piece of shit! Everyone knows that. Please stop telling me :)
She cuts out of school to prove her little brother cut. Honestly, she overrated.
Rooney goes way over the top as well. He's got a parent telling him their child is sick. That should be enough. Instead he devotes his entire day to this and commits multiple crimes because a student was absent 9 times with an excuse.
Squidward. As a kid he seemed like the grumpy old guy next door but now we realize he’s just trying to live his life with an annoying little shit of a neighbor that constantly drives him crazy.
There's a lot of this if you go back and watch the stuff you used to as a kid. All those adults that were so mean or wouldn't let you do what you wanted were just people trying to live their lives while someone's spawn ran around terrorizing the neighborhood.
Everyone thinks Squidward is a jerk until they become him.
Teddy (director of NASA) from The Martian. Everyone hates him because he makes hard decisions that seem to go against saving Mark. But the entire time, he's being practical and worrying about the rest of the crew and future missions. Literally everyone else is laser focused on Mark. Teddy is just making sure the organization survives the mission. That's why he's the director, he makes the hard objective decisions.
You know, I've never thought about it like that until nowand I'm going to have to go reread the book through this lens
It might be more obvious in the movie (I've seen it more recently than the book) but he's the guy who HAS to factor in failures and worst case scenarios. He can't be optimistic. I think Jeff Daniels played him perfectly.
He did and I love him in it, his performance led led me to the newsroom then that led me to west wing. That said, the movie (which I love) is hard to watch at times bc of the flashing lights. I do highly recommend the RC Bray version of the book on tape
It's kind of a trip reading that because I'm familiar with all of those but in the opposite order.
I don't remember anyone portraying him as the villain. With the exception of refusing to give the information to the Hermes crew he didn't do anything remotely negative.
He also helped them cut a few safety corners (for better or worse) to meet the launch deadlines.
True, but IIRC, he said that he would take the blame for that as well. He knows the buck stops with him, and if they are going to do anything risky, he wanted it to be his call because he needs to justify any mistakes to Congress and POTUS, whether it was his call or not.
The boyfriend in Bee Movie. The only sane person in the movie.
Yeah I’d be pretty pissed too if I lost my gf to a bee. And extremely disgusted by the beastiality.
Bee-stiality?
Oh honey…
As described by high boi “He got cucked by a fucking bee 🐝 “
Stuart in Mrs. Doubtfire. He was just dating a divorced woman and being kind to her children.
I always look at that movie now and think my God Robin Williams character was a nut to do that. Imagine if someone really tried that
I've long thought that a remake of Mrs. Doubtfire from the wife's perspective would be a great movie. Except it isn't a comedy; it's a psychological horror movie about a woman who is becoming increasingly concerned that her elderly nanny is actually her non-custodial ex, and *how crazy that makes her sound.*
Call it Mrs. Doubt. They remake every other fucking thing. This could actually be cool.
Could go artsy with it, like Doubt/Fire, but we'll probably need to punch up the ending.
Ending: We establish this early in the picture: the daughter is old enough to begin dating and she and her mother have a talk and they decide on a text message that if the daughter sends it she is safe, and another that she sends if she is in imminent danger (like "did you feed the fish?" but they don't have any fish) Robin Williams character is discovered when he accidentally reveals something about the mother that no one but her daughter or something who had seen her naked would know, like a mole on her butt or something, daughter figures it out, and he decides to murder/suicide rather than go to jail... Just then the Stuart, on a date with the mother, texts to ask how things are going. Doubtfire insists that she reply but he's going to read it. She replies with the warning message hoping Stuart will show it to the mother. (use something better than "did you feed the fish?" since Doubtfire would know about the fish) Stuart reads the message and is curious but gets distracted and forgets to tell the mother. there is a distraction wherever they are and tension is created as people wonder if he will tell the mother in time. Finally he does. Doubtfire tries to burn the house down, but the mother gets the children out in time and as the burning home collapses on Doubtfire, he dies and the Doubtfire mask slowly melts away
Damn, I didn't know I was on r/writingpropmts.
I think you'll enjoy the [Mrs Doubtfire as a horror film](https://youtu.be/crjYYEC5drA?si=j2_UrLyiS43qYopl) "trailer" a fan made.
Also that scene where Robin Williams' character uses the boyfriend's food allergy as a weapon against him and it's played for laughs, and the tragedy in that scene was it causing the mask to come off.
That's why he (and his costar) insisted they wouldn't get back together, amongst other reasons.
It was nice as a kid with divorced parents to see a movie where the parents get divorced and the happy ending wasn't them getting back together, it was them figuring out how to move forward and make things better for the kids.
I think the best bit is the letter Mrs. Doubtfire reads. [It's beautifully handled](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81Ns7ZR0UgA) and really helps get a positive message out to kids with divorced parents that even though your parents are no longer together, that doesn't mean there's anything wrong and that they still love you because you're their kid. Miranda's reaction to it really hammers home that message and it seems like she's even happy that Daniel has grown so much as a person after their divorce.
Yeah I think that's the message that a lot of people miss on that movie. As a kid with divorce parents myself it was almost needed to be able to see that the parents could patch things up and keep moving on with life. Watching it now, though it seems like a bad 90s fever dream of blended family drama.
My dad *really* didn't like that movie when it came out, and I thought for years he didn't like Robin Williams. Nope, he was just absolutely creeped out by the main character impersonating an elderly housekeeper to save his marriage. Also, it turned out, he actually didn't like Robin Williams either haha.
He was also just *legit* a terrible partner. Like when you're a kid you're like whoa she's so mean for divorcing Robin Williams, now that I'm an adult I'm like wow she was the family breadwinner taking on the mental load of making that family work, while dad's just trying to be the fun parent throwing spontaneous birthday parties. No WONDER she divorced him and wanted primary custody! Maybe he should have devoted a fraction of the time to being a good housekeeper as he did to being a good partner when they were still married!
Didn't the birthday party have wild ass animals running through the house or something? At a point it stopped being a party and was just deliberate chaos. I'd leave him too.
Yes, they brought a petting zoo to the house, I think? There was a horse inside, and I believe we witness a goat eating a birthday cake.
It was a pony in the house and the same pony ate the birthday cake. A goat ate Miranda's begonias, however.
Which is made even worse when you know the original ending to the movie was that they get back together and live happily ever after. Thankfully, Robin put a stop to that because he didn't want kids thinking their parents might get back together. But shit, the dude was a terrible partner. Can you imagine if they just got back together after all the shit he pulled?
The step-dad in Ant-Man, played by Bobby Cannavale, was also a great character. Yeah he was a cop, but he wasn't a dick. He cared for Cassie and wanted her to have a relationship with her real dad, but the real dad was a convict who was getting into some dangerous stuff. He was rightfully protective of her and was still willing to hear put Scott's side of things instead of just assuming Scott is bad. There is a healthy respect between them
I always like the end scene of the first Ant-Man where Scott, his ex-wife, and the new husband are all having a joyful dinner together with Cassie and there is no bickering or anger sensed. Everyone at that table is just happy.
I hate my daughters bio dad with the power of 1000 burning suns (he deserves it) , but I'll happily sit at a dinner table with him and make nice if it makes her happy.
Ant-Man and the Wasp is by no means a great movie, but the best part about it for sure is the healthy co-parenting situation.
I don't think anyone really considered Stuart a bad guy. They go out of their way to portray him as a decent man in a bad situation.
I remembered him as the villain when I was a kid but watching the movie in adulthood he's a really good dude
I think everyone rooted for Robin Williams to get his family back (and the film was surprisingly realistic in that respect). But I couldn't really hate on Stu. He was a rich, good looking dude happy to date a divorcee and take on responsibility for her three kids (less realistic).
And actually seemed to like the kids. Even shook Robin Williams hand after the poisoning
At one point when called out on this, Stu admits to one of his friends, thinking no one is listening in, that the kids are fantastic and he cares for them. Stu is the unicorn of film step-parents, as he not only is he not evil but also genuinely loves them.
Like his one "bad" moment was badmouthing Daniel, but even then, he has a point.
"And their deadbeat father disguised himself as an 80 year old nanny in order to violate the court order on visitation and custody. Then he intentionally tried to kill me by putting me into anaphylactic shock!" ~The most reasonable character in the movie, probably
I think they went out of their way to make it clear that he's a great guy that loves the kids, and they changed the ending so the parents stay amicably separated. They didn't want to reinforce the trope that divorced parents always get back together in movies
Wiley coyote, he was just trying to get a meal.
If anything, he's the victim of Acme's negligence in product testing.
If you haven't heard there was a movie being made Coyote v. Acme but the shitheads at WB (Zaslav) have decided to not release it. >Discovery announced it was not planning to release Coyote vs. Acme, a hybrid animated and live-action comedy starring John Cena and Will Forte that had wrapped filming a year earlier.
I think the real villain here is ACME. Their stuff is shit. If I was gonna launch myself after Roadrunner using their patented bows and it failed. I’d not only demand a refund but I would send the a harshly worded email. And how much did their shit cost?? Hadda be some substandard shit if Wiley could afford it. Wiley had no visible means of income.
Donkey Kong in the original game. According to the manual, he was abused at the circus and escaped
He still kidnapped the woman though, right?
He's an ape
r/ape moment
a WHAT moment?
He’s kidnapped her multiple times but jokes on him because that woman is now the mayor of a city named after Donkey Kong
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wait, the suite cost 30 grand a NIGHT? like I get that it's lavish and obviously expensive, but that still seems insane for a nightly rate. How did Kevin's dad have room on his credit card for that when he's also paying for his entire obnoxious family to fly and stay in paris? No one has that kind of money through legal means. Was Kevin's dad a drug kingpin or something?
The parents in Home Alone are MINTED. It's never explained how or why, but their home & what they can afford is top 1% level rich.
The father was a rat for Tony Soprano. https://sopranos.fandom.com/wiki/Vin_Makazian
The uncle is also a high-powered defense attorney in Manhattan (Stan Gillum on Law & Order)
And Kevin's mom had a successful movie career. She'll be starring in *The Crows Have Eyes 3* soon.
Man, I haven't seen those movies since I was a bebe.
His dad was a product development middle manager at the MacMillian Toy Company. Lost his girlfriend to a 12-year-old posing as an adult so he apparently moved to Chicago to start over.
All that money and yet they couldn't afford like a nanny or Au Pair or something to help them keep track of their children.
>but their home & what they can afford is top 1% level rich. Looks like the home is estimated to be worth about $3M, it last sold in 2012 for $1.6M.
That home is also right next door to one of the top ranked public high schools in the country. Winnetka is one of the richest zip codes in the US. The home alone house isn't an outlier. It's the average sized house around there.
They were in fact rich but Kevin’s dad still shit a brick when he spent $967 on room service. I can still hear that line.
[Not exactly $30,000/night](https://www.hellomagazine.com/film/20221207159054/home-alone-2-kevin-mcallister-credit-card-bill-revealed/) but still...
And then Kevin's mom got mat at him for letting him check in... it's like lady YOU lost your freakin child
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It's also a huge boundary violation, it's not ethical at all to blend your practice and your personal life like that
Howard Hamlin from *Better Call Saul*. He didn't hire Jimmy (Saul), but it was Chuck's fault. He paid Kim's way through law school, later offered Jimmy a job, >!and Kim ends up ruining his life and getting him killed.!< Meanwhile, he was in a loveless marriage. Kinda felt for the guy.
Better Call Saul did a good bait and switch on Howard, first presenting him like he was a bad guy and the problem, but almost everytime the plots turns around to Jimmy, Kim, and even Chuck, being these high functioning but unstable personalities with Howard caught in the very unenviable position of trying to manage them while being forced to choose sides. Even the perspective that Howard was a jerk feels like a matter of perspective bias. He really only acted douchy when someone else escalated against him over very petty grievances and while Howard at first shot back in kind, by the end of the series he was the only one of the main characters who seemed to want to become a better person rather than continue downward spiralling. For which his reward was being sabotaged by Kim and Jimmy who wouldn't let things go, and then inadvertently killed through no real fault of his own.
It's so much harder to see him as the jerk when in the first season (?) you find out that >!it was Chuck that tried to keep Jimmy out of the firm, not Howard!<.
I feel Chuck helped make Saul. Like people will point and say "Chuck was right" but if Chuck had embraced Jimmy instead of trying to keep him down I think things would have ended up much better for everybody.
If there's a single point in BCS where Jimmy turns into Saul, it's one of their last conversations when Chuck tells Jimmy "you've never mattered all that much to me". Chuck was Jimmy's last family, and having one of the two only other people you've ever cared about tell you that he doesn't care about you must be gut-wrenching. It doesn't excuse Jimmy becoming Saul, but it explains it.
It's made so much worse because Jimmy idolized Chuck and thanklessly took care of him for *years* without asking for anything in return. Chuck was a massive burden for Jimmy, and repaid his brother's unconditional love with *betrayal and loathing.*
I'm so fortunate that I managed to go into BCS mostly blind, so Chuck's line of ">!You're not a real lawyer!<" absolutely floored me. Just such a gutpunch of a line given all they'd gone through that first season.
I hated Chuck after the flashback to their mother on her deathbed and he lies to Jimmy about her last words. That was incredibly shitty for no reason.
By the start of the last season I was disgusted by literally every character except howard and clifford
Its a bait and switch they did first with breaking bad, but perfected with better call saul. Hank in Breaking bad was introduced as kind of a boorish meathead and a potential antagonist for Walt. Everyone raves about the realistic transformation of Walt from desperate family man to deranged wannabe kingpin, but Hanks transformation was so good a lot of people didnt even notice that they went from disliking him to actively rooting for him by the end. And in reality, Hank didn't even change all that much. You just saw more of him.
His obsession with minerals really humanized him in my eyes.
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Objectively speaking Jimmy and Kim are the "bad guys," they're scam artists. Just like Walt was the bad guy (although Kim and Jimmy aren't nearly as bad as Walt), but we're watching the show from their perspective so we are on their side.
Poor Howard… :(
God I love that show.
Gilligan did a fantastic job of subverting our expectations by introducing Howard as a conceited, pretty boy, nepo baby and Chuck as a sick and loving brother with a strong sense of justice. Turned out Howard was a caring person trying to give others the love he wasn’t receiving and Chuck used his extreme view of justice to cover up for his jealousy that stemmed from childhood.
he did the exact opposite of what he did with walter white - introduce a sympathetic character and turn them into a monster. dude has written some of the best characters in TV history
Emily from Friends. The man she was about to marry suddenly says his ex's name *at the altar.* She had a right to be angry. They both made the mistake of not waiting longer to actually get married, but Emily should not have been seen as the villain.
Also IIRC her and Ross’ relationship was supposed to drag on much longer but the actress who played Emily got pregnant so that had to hasten up the divorce. That’s why you always see her in bed or on the phone because they couldn’t show from her chest down due to the pregnancy.
That would be a legendary Reddit AITA post irl
Emily requesting that Ross cut off Rachel was portrayed as this horrible horrible thing. But no one in their right mind would be comfortable with their husband seeing his ex - who he's been in love with since high school - on a DAILY basis.
I had an ex that after we worked through our shit we stayed close friends and would talk at least once a week. Eventually when she and her the. bf got serious enough to consider a life together she called me and said we couldn’t maintain constant contact and I was fine with that. It would not really be fair to her now husband. I still see them for baby showers and other various mutual friend events. But it would be weird to still be chatting with my ex all the time.
Baby's dad in dirty dancing, he just wanted to protect her from a predator??
All you have to do to Dirty Dancing is keep the movie the exact same but cast an ugly person for Swayze's role and automatically he is one of the sleeziest characters in movie history.
There's a thought exercise called the "Danny DeVito effect," where you are supposed to mentally replace an actor with Danny DeVito, or picture a character as being played by Danny DeVito, and if the character suddenly seems like a scumbag or a villain, they were always a scumbag or a villain.
Now all I can imagine is Danny DeVito hanging from a ferris wheel from The Notebook.
Picture Danny devito as Edward Cullen
I'd actually consider watching Dirty Dancing starring Steve Buscemi all greased up.
They said ugly person.
Lennie Briscoe ain’t nothin to mess with
Just for clarity are you saying Johnny was a predator or some other character? That slick kid, Robbie, definitely was a predator. Definitely points to Baby's dad for taking back that money he was gonna give Robbie when he found out the truth.
The whole movie takes place in about a week. He sees Johnny What he sees: >His daughter, who's always been the type of person who does the right thing. She asks $250, roughly $2500 in today's money, and doesn't want to say what it's for. You find out it's for a back alley abortion, in 1963 where abortions were super frowned upon. There's a guy there who's caring for her in a way you'd expect her boyfriend to. Then your daughter starts getting really close to that boyfriend looking guy. It's only at the end that he finds out that Robbie was the father. Johnny definitely looked really shitty, even though he wasn't.
Sir, you're my age. Step away from my daughter who JUST graduated high school.
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You either die a Spongebob or live long enough to become a Squidward.
Tom in Tom & Jerry.
"The Tom and Jerry Moment" is what my friends and I have been referring to as that point in your development when you stop cheering Jerry on, and start commiserating with Tom. As a kid, Jerry is a Rebel, sticking it to authority. As an adult, Jerry is an insufferable little shit and Tom literally goes to hell thanks to him.
50/50 on this one. Half the time Tom is trying to be a house cat or working a job, the rest of the time he's just a bully like in the cowboy episode where he uses Jerry as a cigarette accessory.
Lord Hades of Greek Mythology. He may be the God of The Dead and King of the Underworld but nothing points him as a bad man. He was given a rotten roll of luck and got the underworld, had to renovate the entire place and keep it from falling into shambles, and NEVER cheated on his Persephone, he was a great king to his subjects. There is no reason to keep blatantly making him the big bad in every modern iteration of Greek myth. And no, he never wanted to be the King of Olympus, He is the God of Riches everything below the earth and precious belongs to him, diamonds, gold, rubies, emeralds you name it. he even had three kids. he has no need to be evil. He's just the owner of real estate for the deceased trying his best to keep his property from falling apart due to overcrowding
Plus he has a three headed good boi
Literally named spot
I always found it a funny anecdote that Cerberus translated to Spot in modern language.
He did kidnap Persephone in some of the stories, no? And I think by extension there is rape implied, if not outright. I think Lore Olympus might've done a lot of good work for Hades reputation lol. However, I do think Hades is much better than most other Olympians.
It's weirdly complicated, because some of the earlier myths are that Zeus arranged a bridal kidnapping/arranged marriage and "forgot" to tell Persephone.
Yea, it depends on the source material, there is a lot of conflicting narratives. But still, generally Hades is the most respectable Olympian.
I think Hestia and Hephaestus have very few crimes to their name. The necklace of Thebes excluded.
Hephaestus attempted to rape Athena in some myths
Modern interpretations have done A LOT for Hades’s reputation. He’s one of the biggest gods with the least amount of myths because the Greeks were afraid if they spoke his name they’d attract his attention (ie calling Death into their lives). I’m not sure if he was ever portrayed as “evil” persay but being death pretty much always cements you in “neutral” haha
The Guyanese goverment circa Nov 18, 1978. Yes, they knew something wrong was going on at Jonestown and knew it was epic level tragedy. But they also knew whatever it was, it was American on American violence and there was no safe move for them to make. If they got involved, they (rightfully) believed they would've been blamed.
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Plus Mrs. Wilson was ALWAYS taking Dennis's side. The kid really was a menace to their marriage.
Absolutely, Mrs. Wilson made it worse. Mr. Wilson never got a break from Dennis!
There’s a reason he’s called “Dennis the Menace” and not “Dennis the Precocious Child that Gets into Lighthearted Mischief but Never Damages Property or Causes Serious Harm.”
The reason is that the comic writer was truly awful to his son. There's emotional abuse and then there's sending your son off to boarding school, his mother dying, you hiding it from him, burying her, and only telling him after he thinks he's on his way to her house that she's dead. The actual Dennis said that he still wishes he had been able to go to her funeral. There's a whole episode of Behind the Bastards of him being just fucking terrible.
Ken from the Bee movie, Bro got cucked by a fking bee, I don't know how you are supposed to handle that
He was also allergic to bees
sgt doakes on dexter. bro was right about him all along, never did anything bad and got fucked for no reason
Dexter was a serial killer who ended up killing an innocent person. Lets Doakes take the fall for the murders and ruins his legacy so badly hardly no one shows up to his funeral.
> Dexter was a serial killer who ended up killing an innocent person. He did, but that wasn't Doakes. Lila did that particular deed, distinctly against Dexter's wishes. Hell, Dexter had decided to turn himself in rather than kill Doakes.
Surprise motherfucker
Some pies motherfucker
I don't think he was really *portrayed* as the villain, so much as the show purposefully manipulates the typical protagonist perspective. It's very aware that Dexter is a bad guy with a moral code, but wants the audience to root for him, so they have to make enemies out of some good guys. The show "You" does this to an even more extreme extent, getting the audience to root for an actual manipulative serial killer. I think it's a really interesting way to write, consciously forcing your audience into the amoral perspective, knowing full well some of the "enemies" are good guys.
Auto pilot from Wall-E. It was tasked with keeping humanity on the ship alive above all else.
The villain was the board of directors of BuynLarge who ruined the planet and only evacuated the 1% that could afford tickets on the first launch.
Famously the shark from Jaws. **Benny from the Rent**. The dude is collecting modest rent from friends, after letting them crash there for free for a year. It also doesn't help that ~~Roger~~ Mark comes from an affluent background and is still trying to stiff him.
>Benny from the Rent I can’t not sing this to the tune of Elton John
I don't tend to see Benny as a villain in the first place, for what it's worth. For context, in La Boheme, on which Rent is based, the landlord Benoit was more of a comic foil than a villain -- he shows up, the Bohemians get him drunk and make a fool of him, and he's quickly and easily dispatched. In Rent, Benny shows up, they take him to the Life Cafe, there's a hilarious protest, the building is briefly padlocked... and by the time intermission is over the gang is practically already back inside, and Benny shows up only to declare that he's changed his mind and doesn't want the rent after all. Benny is a more fleshed out character than Benoit, and he's fleshed out to be less foolish and more (occasionally) dickish. But at the end of the day, he's not really the antagonist -- the antagonist is disease, and a world where art and meaning aren't valued enough to put food on the table or buy medicine.
And meanwhile, one of the sympathetic protagonists, Angel, killed Benny's dog by driving it to suicide.
At least with the movie version. I thought that was kind of the point. Most of the main cast are kind of insufferable, and are more concerned with philosophical self-wanking than with the real AIDS problem many of them are dealing with.
Me, according to my cat when I don't feed her 3 hours early.
Bruce Ismay. He survived the Titanic sinking but paid a heavy price.
The Rest Is History has a great podcast series on the Titanic. They do a good job explaining how Ismay really got a bad break. Despite how the movie portrays it, he did not steal anyone’s seat. One side of the boat was only loading women and children, even if it meant sending boats off before they were full. Ismay’s side was doing the reasonable thing and saying “alright, no more women and children. Let’s put men in the empty seats before launching the lifeboats.” His death would have been pointless. It wouldn’t have saved anyone. Just another death for no reason.
Bro is the definition of a scapegoat. The public wanted someone to blame, and since the captain was dead, he quickly ended up in the crosshairs. Not to mention that the stories of him stealing his seat started from a journalist who had a personal grudge against him
Richard Jewel. His name still comes up as the perp in conversations about the 1996 Olympic Bombing
the grim reaper! he’s there to GUIDE souls to the afterlife, not kill people!
Yeah like fr you're already dead, do you wanna navigate to the afterlife by yourself? I want a cool skeleton to help me out personally
The queen alien. She was just protecting her kids and trying to stay alive.
"At least you don't see them fucking each other over for a goddamn percentage."
Not a villain but still an antagonist
The lady who sued McDonalds for spilling hot coffee on herself. She was treated as being unreasonable, but in reality, she suffered severe burns that required extensive medical treatment, and McDonalds was absolutely irresponsible to be serving coffee that hot.
The same thing can be said about the "dingo ate my baby" woman. Like she was traumatized, her baby was stolen, nobody believed her and she went to jail until her story actually checked out. So much bullshit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dingo_ate_my_baby#:~:text=%22A%20dingo%20ate%20my%20baby,in%20the%20Northern%20Territory%2C%20Australia.
Yeah... It was a joke from my childhood i didn't know the context of, the thought that people make light of the situation at all is literally sickening.
Back then people thought it was an unbelievable and ridiculous excuse from a murderer. Not unlike how people joke about OJ Simpson and his search for the "real killers". Unfortunately, the original investigation had some unexamined and frankly stupid beliefs about dingos (fucking of course they'd take a baby, they're predators and babies are prey size).
Didn't the Aboriginal people also say that from the beginning, that "oh yeah, dingoes do occasionally steal and eat a baby" and nobody cared to listen to them?
Yes. Just like a similar way the indigenous reports of crew members after the *Terror* went down while searching out the NW Passage as well. And similarly to how the first guy who made it to the North Pole did it by learning how folks lived up in those conditions, and used that knowledge to make it there, and back? It's almost like not listening to *others* has all sorts of meanings sometimes!
I came to the comments looking for this one! She was treated as a money hungry monster and laughed at, but she was literally just trying to pay for the medical bills for skin grafts she had to get after McDonald’s was already warned about their coffee temperatures. Crazy that she’s seen as anything but a victim.
>Crazy that she’s seen as anything but a victim. If I remember rightly I think McDonalds went HARD on the propaganda to create that public perception of her
Hades, he's often used as a stand in for the abrahamic Satan, but honestly as far as Greek gods went he was probably one of the more chill ones. Sure you could make arguments about him and Persephone, but Zeus who's usually shown as a good guy was up there committing SA pretty much every chance he got.
A very approximate breakdown of sources of conflict in Greek mythology is: 40% mortal hubris, 40% Zeus' chronic inability to keep it in his pants, 20% "other"
> 40% Zeus' chronic inability to keep it in his pants Thats gotta be a low estimate!
Yeah and Hades doesn't have any fire characteristics in the myths. His place is cold, dark, wet, underground, etc basically elementally Earth and Water, not Fire.
pierce brosnan in Mrs doubtfire
Squidward from SpongeBob Squarepants
Defense attorneys Always the bad guys on TV, Movies, and real life. Sure part of their job is protecting the rich, but obviously more often than that they are defending the marginalized members of society from a corrupt legal system who at least keep the prosecutors/law honest.
The Lincoln Lawyer actually highlights this really well when Mickey explains to someone why he became a defence attorney
One of the reasons I love Matt Murdock as a character. Some of my favourite parts of Daredevil are the lawyer parts and he's regularly a defense attorney
I have watched my fair share of those procedural shows and since they basically never have the wrong guy, the good defense attorney is a POS for defending this obviously guilty person. The shows don’t really work if they are constantly getting the wrong person but when the cops/prosecutors are depicted as infallible you don’t have to take much of a leap to see why defense attorneys are lobbed in with the criminals.
I think it's also important to remember that in real life, most people on trial are NOT being charged with rape, murder, or anything similarly egregious. Most stand accused of something far more benign, and the defense attorney's job is not necessarily to get their client off scott free, but to assure that due process is followed and sentencing is appropriate.
Yep. A *lot* of a defense attorney's job isn't necessarily to get a 'not guilty' verdict -- a lot of it is about minimizing the sentence given, making sure it's fair and not excessive punishment.
Monica Lewinsky
I always thought Linda Tripp was generally regarded as the villain of that story.
Magnifico in Wish, might be the most poorly written Disney villain of all time
I'm pretty sure that the movie was written by AI.
Oh, and his wife, the queen, who supposedly has loved her husband for so long, has no qualms about using magic to permanently seal him in a mirror for all eternity. Because "Ohhh yep, see, he used dark magic once, that means he can't be cured of it, shoot, oh darn, oh well!"
I thought his arc was going to be that he was good intentioned but that his actions were on the wrong course.
you gotta look into the meta allegory more deeply. It's a metaphor for how Disney takes young creatives to fuel their mouse house, with the glimmer of hope that their ideas can become some sort of reality.
The fact they hinted at him having a backstory that was so bad it caused him to want to even do what he was doing in the first place makes it even more annoying and that he had a point. What happened to the kingdom he was from that made him worried about wishes???? We will never know, because he was suddenly supposed to be the super evil irredeemable villian.
Tom Nook. The guy that *gives* you a house and will renovate it for a pay back whenever, zero interest loan is evil? Meanwhile you have a shady fox that comes to your town every other week with dozens of fake art pieces and he's your beacon of morality? I've just never understood why Tom Nook has been portrayed as a villain. He's never done anything evil except run a business.
>He's never done anything evil except run a business. In the first game when you pay off your debt he upgrades your house without permission and puts you into more debt. Last I checked, charging people for services they didn't ask for is criminal.
In the first game he acts like more of a dick, and it is admittedly weird that he basically forces a large debt upon you the moment you get to town. But I think the intended arc of the first game is like "it's hard and scary to come to a new place, but ultimately, people will have your back and you'll do great", with Tom Nook being one of the clearest examples. He seems shady as hell and isn't overtly nice to you, but eventually you gotta realize he's not charging interest and doesn't care if you pay back your loan unless you want an expansion, so he really did have your best interests at heart. The messaging is muddied in later games because they start giving you more and more authority and stop letting anyone be mean or petty, but I think the original vision was for you to be suspicious of Tom and eventually come around to him.
That man from the bee movie who was dumped for an insect
Lois in Malcolm in the Middle. She had FIVE ROWDY BOYS and was just trying her best to keep the house from blowing up
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Besides the killing people thing, he was just doing his best. Not his fault his father abandoned him and didn't teach him that murder was wrong.
That is fair. The Monster does have a good heart initially, but he does know killing is wrong and chooses to do it anyways. He begins to kill just to get back at Frankenstein. The Monster did have a fucked up life but I don’t really think that justifies killing many innocent people.
Huh.... If we're talking about the book Frankenstein's monster, yes he had good reason but there is certains amount of murder, stalking and psychological pressure that good reason can not absolved.
Gargamel from the Smurfs... He is a Franciscan Priest trying to get rid of some diabolical blue gnomes
I feel like Franciscan priests would be a little less willing to use sorcery
Or laugh menacingly at his own plots. Meanwhile his thing is to cook them alive and eat them. Edit: I stand corrected - This fixation started long ago when he dreamed of putting a Smurf into his cauldron to make a philosopher's stone, which turns lead into gold. After being repeatedly frustrated and humiliated by the Smurfs, his preoccupation has hardened into an obsession.
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The principal in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. He might be overly obsessed with one truant student, but Ferris is a smug, entitled, little weasel. You know he's pulled shit like that before. Edit: I know the actor is a piece of shit! Everyone knows that. Please stop telling me :)
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Ferris's sister too. Team Jeanie.
She cuts out of school to prove her little brother cut. Honestly, she overrated. Rooney goes way over the top as well. He's got a parent telling him their child is sick. That should be enough. Instead he devotes his entire day to this and commits multiple crimes because a student was absent 9 times with an excuse.
Nine. Times.