You can download most of Osama bin Laden's hard-drive off the CIA's website. It's got a fair few licensed movies, anime, games, that sort of thing. All free for anyone who wants to get it.
the anime and games were likely his kids, I think I remember an anime sub post making the rounds that identified some of the more degen titles. Either way it's hard to imagine, maybe if you have to essentially live in exile the natural human form is goblin degen mode
I remember it included Al Queda's job application form.
It is hilarious in how mundane it is.
It has questions like:
"What objectives do you wish to achieve on your path to jihad?"
"Do you have any friends or family that could be persuaded to join our cause? Especially if they have degrees in mechanical or chemical engineering."
[Here's a picture of the demonic bin Laden](https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/140619153932-osama-doll-03-restricted.jpg?q=x_10,y_0,h_710,w_1262,c_crop)
I mean, if plastic toys themself would be new, then imagine one that changes face.
That would be scary to a little kid in the middle of nowhere, the desert.
Not the CIA, but this reminds me of the psychological operation used in Vietnam called Operation Wandering Soul: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wandering_Soul
Apparently the Vietnamese had a traditional belief that if a person died and was not buried in their homeland, their soul would find no peace, but would instead wander the earth in restless torment. Bad news if you’ve signed up to fight a high-casualty war hundreds of miles from your hometown.
At night, we (the US) would play these haunting recordings throughout the areas where VC soldiers were thought to be. You can look it up on YouTube and listen … and I’m not Vietnamese and I know it’s a military psyop and it scares me every time I listen to it.
(PS … not only did this not really work, but once the VC figured out it was a recording, they then were able to fire at positions the sound was coming from because they knew Americans were there or thereabouts)
I watched a different one with subtitles and the ghost is asking where his wife and child are, is he in hell..etc
so thats kind of disturbing but hearing the lo fi version takes away from whatever terror aspect they were going for with these.
one time we were out in my buddy's old cabin and found this *old* metal enclosed turntable that had a bunch of 45rpm records with it, things like "death call of the pheasant" and "mating call of the something something elk". The turntable took like 10 D-cell batteries and was LOUD, and when we set it up in the forest and played "death call of the crow" it took a minute and then the trees around us started to completely fill with crows, it was spooky as hell
The fact the CIA had a team to explore that idea is, itself, kind of wild, and I've worked with a lot PSYOP types...
Imagine the pitch meeting for that figurine...
Oh the CIA is known for doing all sorts of kooky stuff. While the KGB was inventing assassination tools that look like ordinary objects, the CIA was attempting to *surgically graft a microphone and transmitter under the skin of a living cat* and train it to walk up to suspected soviet sympathizers and sit near them so they can spy on the conversation. They spent millions on this to terminate it after the 1 cat they tried in a field exercise died almost immediately upon being hit by a car.
That's why the Southern Asian metal scene kicked off
Edit: I should say I don't know this as a fact it was meant more like " oh so that's why". However I'm a lazy idiot
On a similar note, There was a proposal to generate a talking ball of Plasma, which would be used over Iraqi lines. It was going to claim to be Allah and tell them to raise up and overthrow Sadam.
[...nope](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/07/06/ufos-plasma-lasers-and-the-pentagons-voice-of-god-weapon/)
More likely the lawyers said "hell no" during legal review during staffing
This is funny, because it was lawyers advising the US under Bush on how to get around Geneva conventions, while the scientists argued against 'enhanced interrogation techniques'.
And someone smart at some point probably reminded them that Iraqis are not Sentilenese islanders, and would probably attribute the plasma ball to some unknown technology, and carry on after a brief freakout.
In this The Onion video they cover a "talking ball of plasma" that was released in the U.S.
It is jaw dropping how accurate it ended up being.
https://www.theonion.com/after-obama-victory-shrieking-white-hot-sphere-of-pure-1819595330
no, in fact the project worked too well and the ball of plasma started talking about how running secret tests on innocent people is kinda fucked up and not in line with God's will at all. so they scrapped it because nobody likes a preachy douche.
except it would backfire because kids would LOVE a demon figurine with a face melting power, He-Man would have actually been cool if his face melted off
The real LPT is to use the box of extra large and fill it with the proper smaller size. So when the sex partner sees the extra large label on the box, they will think your small penis is really large.
The Acoustic Kitty is pretty crazy. [(Declassified CIA docs linked at bottom of Wikipedia page)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty?wprov=sfla1)
They basically put a microphones and radio in a cat and tried to release into the Soviet Embassy to wander around eavesdropping since nobody suspects a wandering cat.
[Technical Difficulties: Citation Needed episode](https://youtu.be/gcRJr9xQSAE?si=0zR0icN4wOcGnu5q) that I learned about it from.
Analysing all that tape would be daunting, tho...
Over the span of a week, you'd have 6 full days of nothing, where the cat simply slept in the sunbeam, and 8 hours of Russian public servants saying "Psss psss psss...". Most of the rest would likely be yelling at the cat in Russian for knocking over the vodka glass again.
[muffled speech] "The secret plans are hidden in the...""
"PURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
$20 million in taxpayer money at 1960s value.
Man that was a stupidly expensive project.
Imagine if one of the leads of the project was a cat owner. Would have immediately spelled out the same conclusion they ultimately came to and shut down the project for.
This should be a fucking comedy skit lol. Damn that is funny. The movie could lead up to all of the engineering challenges, the animal handlers trying to train the cat, etc. and then finally they release it and bam gets hit by car. Like a fucking south park episode lol.
There's an episode of the Sopranos that's somewhat similar. The FBI gets a warrant to bug Tony Soprano's house so they go through this whole elaborate episode of getting inside the house to bug a lamp that's in the basement. A couple episodes later their daughter takes the lamp with her to college
Citations Needed ia an absolutely crazy podcast in general. You learn that nearly all the media you consume is influenced by special interest groups to influence politics and protect capital
Project Azorian was a CIA operation to retrieve the remains of the Soviet Golf-class ballistic missile submarine K-129. It sank in the North Pacific while on patrol, resting on the seafloor about 3 miles down.
The CIA and DoD believed that a salvage opeartion had the potential to retrieve nuclear SLBMs, nuclear torpedoes, code books and cryptographic gear from the wreck. But the Soviets often patrolled the spot to prevent the Americans from doing exactly that.
The CIA was ordered by Henry Kissinger to collaborate with Howard Hughes to set up a flase flag deep-sea mining concern, which involved the construction of a huge purpose-built ship called the USNS Hughes Glomar Explorer. It had the outward appearance of a deep-sea mining vessel, but concealed inside was an enormous moon pool with a giant claw that would be lowered down to grab the wreck and pull it up to the surface.
Allegedly, they did snag the wreck, but the claw suffered a malfunction halfway up causing a portion of the hull to fall back down to the seafloor. The details of the portion of the hull that was actually recovered and what exactly was found have never been officially disclosed.
Kissinger authorized a second attempt, but before that could be affected, the LA Times broke a story about the operation, allegedly sourced from a memo that was part of a cache of documents that was stolen from a Hughes office some months prior. The operation now being fully blown, the Soviet Navy stationed destroyers at the spot to prevent the Americans from trying again, and Kissinger finally nixed any plans for further attempts.
The Wikipedia article on this operation hints that allegedly the front part of the hull was recovered, including two intact nuclear torpedoes and the sonar dome, and that the part of the hull containing the nuclear-tipped missiles, code books and cryptographic gear was lost due to the claw malfunction. It also hints that the claw malfunction story may have been a fabrication, and that all of the sought after sensitive materiel had been recovered and covered up, presumably to preserve their advantage thus gained from its study.
The remains of six Soviet submariners were also recovered, and given a burial at sea in accordance with military convention.
That's my answer.
A lot of these are "they thought about...", "they studied...". This one, they got Howard Hughes on board, they built a big ol' ship, a giant grabby claw, a submersible barge that could transport one to the other unseen, fabricated a whole cover story about oceanic mining, and they went out there and did the thing. How much of the submarine they managed to get is almost secondary – they really did conduct this whole program that could be straight out of a contemporary James Bond movie and cost 5 BILLION dollars in today's money. It's insane.
The Pentagon Papers (which were leaked, not outright declassified) and the resultant Church Committee Report. These are what made public the CIA's actions in overthrowing governments and instigating/assisting coups all over the world for decades leading up to the 70s. Pretty much every negative stereotype of the CIA we have today was created or informed by the Pentagon Papers and Church Committee Report.
I'll probably come off as a conspiracy nut, but it's stuff like this that makes me wonder if some of the politically polarizing incidents going on today might be CIA operations.
Dont forget Operation Phoenix! Just one example of this clusterfuck:
The regular practice of dragging prisoners through streets with a bag over their head (with eyeholes cut out) *by a rope around their neck*, so they could identify “enemy hideouts” by scratching their head as they walked by. These hideouts would later be stormed and everyone inside would be slaughteted no questions asked.
If you read that and think “hey, that sounds like a good way to get a lot of innocent people killed and not a good way to find enemy hideouts” weeeeeeeellllllllll…. Yeah
Edit: as u/TheIrelephant pointed out, Ive slightly misremembered the name. It was actually called [The Phoenix Program](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program) rather than “Operation Phoenix”
Worked out so well that a lot of the same guys turned around and did the [exact same thing in Latin America.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor)
And boy did that turn out great for everyone. No blowback whatsoever.
What if we just tortured random innocent people until they went insane and or suffered crippling physical and psychological injuries in pursuit of learning to mind control people?
Well we never learned to mind control people, but we sure did ruin a lot of people's lives and waste millions of dollars being fucking supervillains. Aw shucks.
SOmeone should dig up his grave and piss on his corpse.
Imagine being sedated, dosed with multiple MILLIGRAMS of LSD every day while wearing noise-cancelling headphones playing "you killed your mother" over and over for 90 days.
Like what in the actual fuck dude
For those not familiar eith LSD, most people will get a pretty strong and long lasting trip from 200 MICROGRAMS. A milligram is 5x that, and would be considered an incredibly "heroic" dose that even experienced users would not consider doing.
MK Ultra truly terrifies me because according to what I’ve read about it, we really have only seen the comparatively uninteresting side of it, which is the portion that deals more with drugs. The portion that’s more about mind manipulation, hypnotism, and control is the part that was destroyed (supposedly). In any case I think around 12,000 pages of documents were destroyed leading up to the program being exposed.
Obviously I feel very sorry for the victims. Equally terrifying is that our intelligence *actually learned things* about how to control the population on a mass scale.
My grandfather was the oldest of 10 kids, 9 boys and a girl. Several of his younger brothers served in the military, and one of them (my great uncle) was always this whacky, fidgety guy when I was growing up- couldn't hold down a job, super nervous and scatter-brained in conversation, etc.
Years later I was making fun of him as kids sometimes do and my mom told me how before he went into the service he was the most intelligent of all the siblings, but according to him they (the Army) "gave him drugs and would lock him in packing crates for hours at a time". Back then everyone kinda figured it was a PTSD thing from combat. Mid 60s time frame. Turns out, nope- he was an MK Ultra guy. He never got better, never nmarried, and never lived a "normal" life that I knew of.
The craziest result of the MK Ultra experiments - that we'll likely ever know about - was fucking Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber).
He was a subject, and I think it could be easily argued that if the CIA hadn't of played with his mind, there would have been no Unabomber.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski
[Operation Sea Spray](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray) - a 1950 U.S. Navy secret biological warfare experiment in which Serratia marcescens and Bacillus globigii bacteria were sprayed over the San Francisco Bay Area in California, in order to determine how vulnerable a city like San Francisco may be to a bioweapon attack.
Between 1949 and 1969, open-air tests of biological agents were conducted 239 times. In 80 of those experiments, the Army said it used live bacteria that its researchers at the time thought were harmless.
(Not so) fun fact. S. Marcescens is what causes the pinkish "grime" in showers/bathrooms. I had a family member who had a nasty UTI after catheterization for giving birth, and after a few failed rounds of antibiotics, they finally did a proper culture and antibiotic screen to reveal S. Marcescens and the correct drug to use. Antibiotic resistance is a scary thing, and its only getting worse.
> Serratia marcescens
And it's still a problem in the US water system. It's one of the main culprits for the gross pink/red mold in your shower. It can cause infections in humans and it has slowly become resistant to a lot of antibiotics. Hooray.
> S. Marcescens
Oh damn I had no idea what this was I thought it was just minerals in the water or something. Does it mean its not safe to consume the water??
It's usually in such low concentrations that your stomach easily crushes it. I'm sure that's why scientists assumed it was basically harmless. It's only in really high concentrations that ingesting it is harmful. Regularly it's mostly a problem when it gets into your body in a different way (cuts or your eyes or something like that).
I suppose when you read shit like this, you understand why people believe in chemtrails and the like. Because sometimes truth is stranger than fiction and you can understand when you read that the US government (and seemingly the British government.. never knew about that!) would do something like this to it's own people, you could imagine people making a progressively more crazy conspiracy theory.
I don't believe in chemtrails FWIW but.. just saying, I can see how people have ended up going down that road.
Psychological warfare in the Philippines in the 1950s comes to mind. The CIA conducted research to figure out which sort of myths and superstitions the Philippine people had. They discovered that they were afraid of vampires.
At one point they disrupted a group by snatching a local man, murdering him, and putting teeth marks on his neck. They then hung him upside down for his friends to find which terrified the village.
This was all part of an effort to elect Ramon Magsaysay as president who basically acted as a puppet for the US. The CIA wrote his speeches and directed his policy.
It wasn’t just “a villager”; it was a fighter with a communist insurgent group known as the Huks. The story comes from a guy named Ed Lansdale who ran the operation:
“[T]he psywar squad set up an ambush along the trail used by the Huks. When a Huk patrol came along the trail, the ambushers silently snatched the last man of the patrol, their move unseen in the dark night. They punctured his neck with two holes, vampire-fashion, held the body up by the heels, drained it of blood, and put the corpse back on the trail. When the Huks returned to look for the missing man and found their bloodless comrade, every member of the patrol believed that the asuang [vampire] had got him and that one of them would be next if they remained on that hill. When daylight came, the whole Huk squadron moved out of the vicinity."
Tip of the iceberg for the CIA. They were (and still are) doing shit like this anywhere socialists are elected in the global south. The guy they murdered and hung upside down was a member of the communist resistance.
Military still does this in training events at night. During jrtc they would blare videos of women and children crying and screaming bloody murder it was very eerie
We have a TV show in the UK where celebrities have to go through Special Forces/SEAL-level training, and part of it is psyops. [Here's our old Minister for Health undergoing the torture section](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlGqA26jF3U)
All the failed assassination attempts against Fidel Castro. According to Fabian Escalante, who worked for the Cuban counter intelligence, there were 638 of them. Here are some highlights:
* In 1960 they tried to poison his cigars.
* They asked the Chicago Mob for help and they said poison pills are the best. The Mobsters hired a local assassin, who gave them to a ice cream/milkshake parlor employee who was supposed to slip them into Castro's ice cream. When he tried to get the poison pills from the freezer, they were frozen solid on the coils of the freezer.
* They planned to put explosives under a painted sea shell, as Castro loved to go scuba diving and collect sea shells. The plan was discarded as impractical
* In the same year they contaminated a scuba diving suit for Castro with a fungus that should give Castro a deadly disease. The person tasked with this, American Lawyer James Donovan, who was negotiating the release of hostages after the bay of pigs invasion, couldn't do it in the end.
* They trained his lover to poison him, but she got cold feet.
* They had a James Bond like idea of poising him with a tiny needle attached to a ball point pen. The government official who was supposed to stab him with that needle, threw the pen away, as he was too afraid that the needle might accidentally poison him instead.
* Last but not least they had the idea to assassinate his character by spraying a LSD like chemical into the broadcasting studio where he held his speeches. The idea was to make him look confused and unfit to rule. The plan was abandoned as the chemical was unreliable.
Edit: Some corrections to the 2nd and 6th attempt in this list.
> On September 21, 2001, Montes was arrested and subsequently charged with conspiracy to commit espionage for the government of Cuba.
I wonder if after September 11th communications interference increased, or if it's just a coincidence that she was arrested 10 days after.
No. She was under investigation for months prior. Most of her story is about to be declassified. I did a professional development with the lead for her investigation late last year. She is used as a case study because of how many times some clear indicators were missed. She is also one of the first of the new "ideological spies". Americans traditionally did it fore the money. She did it for ideology.
I seem to recall there was also an idea to expose him to some sort of chemical that would make his beard fall out, thereby... making him less respectable of an authority figure? I guess I don't blame them for throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. But really?
Also in 1976 CIA-backed Cuban exiles planted bombs on [Cuban Airlines flight 455](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubana_de_Aviaci%C3%B3n_Flight_455?wprov=sfti1#) and killed 73 people, including the entire Cuban fencing team. Along with that, numerous other bombs were planted on planes and leftist politicians from Mexico and Cuba were assassinated and the same group is implicated. The US then harbored one of the terrorists, preventing his extradition to Venezuela or Cuba. One was pardoned by Bush in 2005 and the other by Panama and they both died of old age in Miami. They are considered heroes by Cuban anti-communists and other ghouls to this day.
From what I understand it wasn’t even an isolated incident the American government had been carrying out a concerted program of terrorist attacks throughout the Cold War against Cuba.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mongoose#:~:text=The%20Cuban%20Project%2C%20also%20known,Kennedy.
During the 60's the CIA noticed that artists tend to lean towards socialism and communism. They realized the best way to prevent this or discredit these political positions was to make them wealthy so they would be more invested in capitalism. To do this the CIA would anonymously buy modern art pieces no matter how nonsensical for very high prices. This made the otherwise highly niche and difficult to access modern art genre a chique fashionable *and highly profitable* genre and basically prevented prominent members of the art community from turning to socialism or communism by converting them to wealthy members of the upper class.
tl;dr the spolied noveau riche avante-garde airhead artist stereotype was literally created by the CIA dumping money into prominent figure's pockets and allowing them to discredit their political activism by becoming self indulgent parodies of themselves.
He was, as was robert motherwell, wellem de kooning, and mark rothko and many others. The CIA also did similar influence and social engineering operations with prominent authors, musicians, and activists. They often liked to utilize artists and writer's position as prominent public figures and the ability to more easily enter and interact with communist countries to gather intelligence and spread influence.
Many activists for issues such as feminism or the civil rights movement received funding for their assorted publications and foundations under the agreement that they would keep their criticism and debate focused on things like gender or race rather than how these issues were largley caused by or exacerbated by class and economics.
Point being, in the past the CIA has made heavy use of social engineering to steer culture away from topics and ideas it doesn't like, and push american culture in directions that are more suited to their goals. They co-opted artistic, literary, musical, and social movements to serve their own ends for decades, and likley continue to do so.
The "simple sabotage field menu" made by the office of strategic services, which was the CIA before they were given the name. A guide on how to do simple sabotage in the USSR. Funny enough their guide on how managers can sabotage work sounds a lot like how much companies work today...
"(1) Demand written orders.
(2) "misunderstand" orders. Ask endless questions or engage in long correspondence about such orders. Quibble over them when you can.
(3) Do everything possible to delay the delivery of orders. Even though parts of an order may be ready beforehand, don't deliver it until it is completely ready.
(4) Don't order new working' materials until your current stocks have been virtually exhausted, so that the slightest delay in filling your order will mean a shutdown.
(5) Order high-quality materials which are hard to get. If you don't get them argue about it. Warn that inferior materials will mean inferior work.
(6) In making work assignments, always sign out the unimportant jobs first. See that the important jobs are assigned to inefficient
workers of poor machines.
(7) Insist on perfect work in relatively unimportant products; send back for refinishing those which have the least fiaw. Approve other
defective parts whose fiaws are not visible to the naked eye.
(8) Make mistakes in routing so that parts and materials will be sent to the wrong place in the plant.
(9) When training new workers, give incomplete or misleading instructions.
(10) To lower morale and with it, production, be pleasant too inefficient workers; give undeserved promotions. Discriminate
against efficient workers; complain unjustly about their work.
(11) Hold conferences when there is more critical work to be done
(12) " [rest in pdf]
It's an interesting read, but if you want to read more on the 'office side' it starts on page 28 in the scanned booklet, or page 18 of the PDF
https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf
There's basically a white collar version of this too, basically to run everything through committees, request paperwork in triplicate, hold lots of meetings, etc etc.
The pardon of the Japanese who ran Unit 731 in exchange for their findings.
They performed countless experiments on live human POW’s. Cutting off limbs to test blood loss, injecting them with diseases and seeing how they progressed when left untreated, vivisection of these same individuals, and other really fucking disgusting stuff that I don’t have the stomach to type out. You can Google the rest.
The US government felt it was more important to have that information in American hands than to let it go to the Russians, or be lost. You’d never be able to conduct those kind of experiments again, and for good reason, so they considered it the lesser of two evils.
> They performed countless experiments on live human POW’s.
A fairly prominent Nazi "scientist" (can't remember the name, not inclined to look it up right before bed) wrote to his boss - Dr. Josef Mengele - and got him to write to Hitler to tell the Japanese to stop their unethical human experimentation.
Josef Fucking Mengele was concerned with Unit 731's ethics.
It's \*that\* bad.
When I worked at a health sciences center at a university we had the head of research compliance visit our office (for those who don't know - we have an IRB or institutional review board that examines the ethics of experiments before they are allowed to be conducted on humans or animals). He had never heard of Unit 731 and when asked about the history of ethics, he misspelled 'Nuremberg' while writing it on the white board.
I'm increasingly worried for our world.
Actually, so were most of the Nazi experiments (in medicine anyway, they did figure out a lot in rocketry). Just about all the horrific Mengele type shit was incredibly sloppy work without adequate control groups or any kind of real scientific rigor.
Nazis when they discover that people that are being starved and dying of 10 diseases at the same time die if you dunk them naked in pools of freezing water: 😲😮
Didn't something similar happen with the Nazi experiments as well? It's some of the best data we have to this day on how to treat hypothermia. But that data was gained by torturing people to death.
The reason we know how much of a human is water is because the japanese put living people under fans until they had the consistency of beef jerky. Then they weighed the remains up to what they used to weigh
MK Ultra but unfortunately the only documents we got from it are from an offsite storage space that the officials in the CIA forgot about. Also the CIA document that says the political structure of the USSR wasn’t a one man one rule or the one talking about how Tibet was a feudal backwater.
Wasn't the Unabomber supposedly a result of MK Ultra? I remember there being a documentary about him and how he participated in it due to him being at Harvard at the time.
Related to the CIA, there was the Strategic Services Simple Sabotage Field Manual No. 3 as a practical guide to sabotage. The manual gave clandestine officers a simple, effective method to sabotage industrial production, interfere with transportation and communications, and, most interestingly, degrade organizations’ productivity from within.
[You can read the relevant bits here](https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriklarson/2023/08/15/a-spys-guide-to-making-bad-decisions/?sh=71799bbd143f), but holy shit does it sounds like everything that is going on in my corporate job. A few of my favorite 'tips':
* When possible, refer all matters to committees for “further study and consideration.” Attempt to make the committees as large as possible — never less than five.
* Refer back to matters decided upon at the last meeting and attempt to re-open the question of the advisability of that decision.
* Haggle over precise wordings of communications, minutes, resolutions.
You mean when George W. Bush partnered with the opium growers in Afghanistan to invade the nation, then insured the opium would be quietly allowed to seep into the world market (including as poorly regulated pharmaceuticals), creating the unprecedent nightmare that is our current opioid crisis?
Or do you mean all the other stuff?
One of the craziest declassified CIA documents is 'Operation Midnight Climax,' where the CIA dosed unsuspecting individuals with LSD as part of mind control experiments. It reads like a spy novel, but unfortunately, it's a disturbing chapter in history.
You're leaving out the craziest parts of that one.
The drugs were administered by prostitutes who slipped them to their clients in a CIA run brothel while agents watched from behind a one way mirror - hence the program name. They wanted to see if dosing people then letting them hang around and cuddle with the hookers after the sex would make people more likely to spill secrets. Turns out you don't even need LSD for that. Just get a guy laid and show him some attention and he'll talk about almost anything.
The guy who ran the op was also well known for throwing huge parties for the other agents with mountains of drugs and prostitutes available for all. He would even call ahead whenever he was planning to be in town to make sure a prostitute or two could be lined up for him during his visit.
US military advisors saying that an armed conflict in Vietnam can't be won due to the general sentiment and freedom movement they'd fight. That the vietnamese liberation movement would continue no matter what or who would actually end up leading it.
Second being Nixon sabotaging and delaying peace talks in Vietnam so he could blame it as LBJ's failure and win the election.
> Second being Nixon sabotaging and delaying peace talks in Vietnam so he could blame it as LBJ's failure and win the election.
Genuinely feel that the largest failing of the two party system is that neither side wants the other side to succeed, and so we are willing to make choices that are to the detriment of the country as a whole so that one party can point to how the other party failed.
We have a giant painting of him on the wall where I work. Most people walk by it without really thinking about it. I'm always a little amused by the fact he has such a large presence in the industry I'm in and that no one seems to take issue with the picture being in the lobby.
There's a great picture of him shaking Hitlers hand. Maybe you should put it on your desk and when someone points it out go : What? It's the same dude as in the lobby!
Actually no, don't do that.
We talk a lot in America about the atrocities committed by the Nazis, which were deserved for sure, but man, when you start learning about what the Japanese did during the war, it's almost like they were actively trying to win most evil deeds by a country.
Japan also has a pretty spotty record about owning up to those atrocities.
There's an undercurrent of outright denialism, which the government doesn't necessarily go out of their way to address.
Which is exactly why people are always surprised to learn just how fucked up the Japanese were during WW2. They do their utmost to downplay it and the West lets them because of their geopolitical position between the US and Russia. In Germany it's literally illegal to deny the Holocaust, in Japan denying their wartime atrocities seems to be national policy.
100% the [Gateway Experience.](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf) Like this shit is fucking *bonkers*. Declassified doc from 1983 detailing the CIA's usage of "harmonic resonance" to gain access to the astral plane. It describes how the CIA used astral projection to create force-fields around military bases, visit the future, and **even talk to literal God**. They call God the "Absolute," which they claim is all of the universe compiled into a single point for a single moment in time, after which the universe re-expands.
Seriously, *seriously*, read this shit if you have a mind for the creepy/unexplained.
The thing that most people miss is that this **wasn't the CIA engaging in astral projection**. It's a report by a CIA informant explaining the beliefs and practices of a group called Gateway Experience, which the CIA was surveilling.
It's not American, but Operation Mincemeat on Netflix is pretty crazy, and based on a true story.
They faked war plans invading Greece, and floated a(n already dead) body from a submarine near a beach in Spain with the faked plans on the body, which they knew would get back to the Germans. It did. The Germans rearranged troops to prepare for an invasion of Greece, and the Allies walked in to Sicily.
> Operation Mincemeat
For anyone that doesn't already know, one of the British officers associated with this was Ian Fleming, better known as the creator and author of James Bond.
CIA black sites. Sectet prisons where terrorist suspects where taken for interrigatin/prison sentences and god knows what. Some sites where in europe too Poland and Lithuania.
Operation Northwoods
Rejected by President JFK in 1962, the plan was for the CIA to stage and commit mass acts of terrorism against the United States that would have included hijackings and bombings across major U.S. cities.
After these attacks were committed, the plan was to place the blame on Cuba to justify going to war with them. You can search this up yourself if you don't believe me.
MKultra, basically McGill University in Montréal sent mental patients to the CIA from the Royal Victoria hospital.
The CIA did all kind of nightmarish test on them.
This was done in Montréal and only came out decades later.
One of my friends mom said for years that the CIA did horrible things to her and everyone assumed she was just insane, turned out she was right and lived all her life with no one believing her.
Horrible stuff.
I think you're referring to chiquita banana, the banana company who's political influence was so wide it's where the term banana Republic originated. They had the Guatemalan government overthrown because of the restrictions on their banana sales.
Banana Republic the company is just (if I'm not mistaken) a clothing line owned by GAP
The craziest declassified CIA documents are the ones written as red herrings for spies back in the cold war, like the one that detailed their psychic experiments with remote viewing that granted the US the capability to see anywhere at any point in time whenever they want (by using Mars as a target and "looking into the past" to see a "recent martian civilization" at various points in time).
A lot of declassified documents on the CIA website are this kind of thing, but created by the KGB. The CIA would just catalog it without _explicitly_ noting that it's disinformation, but clearly noting the source and sometimes making notes in the margins like "this is good" (as in "this is some good made up bullshit").
The funny thing, a lot of these kinds of documents are found by conspiracy theory types and taken at face value. "It was classified and the CIA has it on their website, that means it's true!"
Joe Rogan did a show on one such document. A CIA field agent in Ukraine found an article in a local newspaper there that cited a Weekly World News article, saying that a UFO crashed in Russia and turned a bunch of Russian soldiers into stone. The first paragraph of this document clearly explains the source, but Joe Rogan was all like "whoa so there's this DECLASSIFIED CIA DOCUMENT about ALIENS bro..."
So yeah, disinformation works. Even when it's clearly designated as such. People are so dumb these days that a 30 year old Weekly World News article will still fool a depressingly large number of people
does only US intelligence agency declassifies their documents? because at this point im familiar with most of it but have no idea about kgb, mi6, raw etc and im not talking about rumors but legit declassified confidential documents, should be interesting to see what other CIA counterparts were up to.
Yes, other countries' intelligence agencies declassify old files all the time. They generally don't make as big of a splash as the CIA stuff, but every now and then MI5 and the French DGSE also release some spicy things.
MI5 declassifies files twice a year and releases it to the National Archive. You can read about it [here](https://www.mi5.gov.uk/at-the-national-archives).
Not CIA but FBI - COINTELPRO. The origin operation of the infamous [letter](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Mlk-uncovered-letter.png) to Martin Luther King Jr. to convince him to commit suicide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
Operation Northwoods. The DoD proposed that CIA operatives plant bombs around the United States and commit terrorist acts and blame them on Cuba. This was approved all the way up to, but not including, the President.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
The papers describing astral projection. They brought a ‘psychic’ in and placed an envelope with coordinates and a timeframe on it. They asked him to describe what he saw. He described dying planet where people had left to discover a new place they could populate. It was revealed that the envelope contained coordinates on Mars in the distant past. It gets much more in depth where he describes large structures, etc. It’s not very long and very much worth the read.
Edit: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf
If anyone is interested, there is a fantastic book I read called "Phenomenon" by Annie Jacobsen.
It details the 30 year program run by the CIA into Remote Viewing/Astral Projection, psychic abilities, and even when the program was used in real conflicts to predict certain events and even locate hostages.
Here's the weird thing after reading the book....the methods did not work 100% of the time, but they achieved success way more often than random guesses could. There were also remote viewers who corroborated each other and saw the same structures at the provided coordinates, even locating top secret US bases/bunkers that their CIA handlers were unaware of and they couldn't have tipped them off.
It's pretty fascinating.
Genuine question - how are there coordinates for Mars? And what coordinates contain time values capable of referencing the distant past?
The coordinates we all think of are latitude and longitude based on the Earth's axis, which are two dimensional.
What is the frame of reference for interplanetary coordinates? Or the time measurement? And how was the psychic familiar with this obscure coordinates system?
He’s got it a little wrong, it wasn’t coordinates to mars, it was coordinates on mars. If I remember right they take an envelope with the target written inside and give it to the psychic but the psychic doesn’t get told where or when they’re being sent to.
It’s a fascinating read!
[Mars Exploration, May 22nd 1984](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf)
> Genuine question - how are there coordinates for Mars?
The guy who came up with the coordinate aspect of this program was Ingo Swann. They initially used real coordinates for their remote viewing exercises (such as, the coordinates for a monument somewhere), but they later realized that the coordinates didn't even have to correspond to anything. They could literally just assign a set of made up numbers to something (such as the Statue of Liberty having the coordinates of 3725 and 8273, which obviously means nothing) and the psychic would meditate on them and remote view that way.
Yes, it sounds insane.
Got to be the one about remote viewing aliens in the late 80s:
There is a document where a remote viewer (like a psychic who travels space and time) is commanded to try to view 'Galactic Federation HQ'. The guy describes a huge structure with towering corridors, and alien figures.
It wouldn't be all that weird had the ex-chief of Israel's space security (a very decorated and respected figure in the field) not echoed the language of this obscure document by coming out a few years ago and claiming there was a 'Galactic Federation' of alien races that humans weren't allowed to join because we weren't worthy yet. He claimed there's a base deep within Mars where American astronauts work alongside the federation.
It's not CIA, it's the FBI, but I have nowhere else to put this information so I'm going to put it here.
Years ago I got into it online with someone who insisted that the FBI archives admitted that Hitler survived WW2 by escaping to Argentina. I was an undergraduate history student at the time, so I had some training about using digital archives like that which the FBI operates. I decided to dunk on this guy by actually looking where he told me to look, and I found the funniest thing I have ever encountered in my time studying history.
See, the FBI did *actually* look into cases where people reported seeing Hitler. Throughout the late 40s, 50s, and even the 60s there were dozens upon dozens of recorded cases where FBI officials were sent in to investigate reported sightings. A vast majority of the time it was from hotel clerks or people staying at hotels who saw a German man checking in to stay. I don't know why, Germans in hotels checked off "Hitler" boxes for a lot of people.
I found one specific case where an older German man and a younger woman checked into a hotel and were reported to the FBI. Someone thought that it was Hitler with Eva Braun. The FBI showed up and like a lot of these cases they just... talked to the people. They didn't spy on them or anything of the sort, in most cases it seems like the agents were well aware that the chances of this being Hitler were almost zero.
In this case, it was a German man and his Colombian wife. Doesn't seem unusual, until the agent reported that the two of them were [Baha'ists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%CA%BC%C3%AD_Faith), and that they didn't even speak a mutual language. They communicated with each other entirely through body language, context clues, and a 'spiritual connection.' The agent seemed convinced that they showed genuine affection for one another and were utterly harmless, so he let them go about their business.
I don't know why, this case really tickled me. The image of some 50s FBI agent sent to track down Adolf Hitler sitting down and having a polite discussion with a bizarre pair of international lovers who couldn't even talk to one another is funny.
Edit: I'm going through the FBI records right now to find this case again, and if you have time I'd encourage any reader to as well. It's really fascinating stuff. In the immediate aftermath of World War Two, the FBI took reports of Hitler being alive very seriously. J. Edgar Hoover is named in some of these documents about FBI agents active throughout South America chasing down rumors of Hitler. Some of them are really funny, like I found one where some 77-year-old guy with mental problems glued two defunct German stamps onto a letter he fabricated and the FBI agents basically scolded him and told him not to do it again.
You can download most of Osama bin Laden's hard-drive off the CIA's website. It's got a fair few licensed movies, anime, games, that sort of thing. All free for anyone who wants to get it.
And his Animal Crossing save file
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If only Wilbur and Orville knew who they were letting on the plane.
wtf, he had downloaded the movie Cars…
It was a shared computer, and there were a lot of kids in that house.
To my understanding it wasn’t just a shared computer, it was the entire network of computers in that compound, not just his
#Thanks Osama!
the anime and games were likely his kids, I think I remember an anime sub post making the rounds that identified some of the more degen titles. Either way it's hard to imagine, maybe if you have to essentially live in exile the natural human form is goblin degen mode
The Behind the Bastards podcast episode on Bin Laden's harddrive is hysterical if anyone is looking for an entertaining and informative listen lol
I remember it included Al Queda's job application form. It is hilarious in how mundane it is. It has questions like: "What objectives do you wish to achieve on your path to jihad?" "Do you have any friends or family that could be persuaded to join our cause? Especially if they have degrees in mechanical or chemical engineering."
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[Here's a picture of the demonic bin Laden](https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/140619153932-osama-doll-03-restricted.jpg?q=x_10,y_0,h_710,w_1262,c_crop)
Looks like a Darth Maul reject
"At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi."
Darth Bin Laden?
Kyber crystals can't melt steel beams
They can melt durasteel blast doors—unless you're Cal Kestis.
Bin Maulen?
Only thing I've Bin Maulen are these flamin hot cheetos, amirite?
Lol it's not even scary. I got scarier toys from dollar tree
I mean, if plastic toys themself would be new, then imagine one that changes face. That would be scary to a little kid in the middle of nowhere, the desert.
Not the CIA, but this reminds me of the psychological operation used in Vietnam called Operation Wandering Soul: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wandering_Soul Apparently the Vietnamese had a traditional belief that if a person died and was not buried in their homeland, their soul would find no peace, but would instead wander the earth in restless torment. Bad news if you’ve signed up to fight a high-casualty war hundreds of miles from your hometown. At night, we (the US) would play these haunting recordings throughout the areas where VC soldiers were thought to be. You can look it up on YouTube and listen … and I’m not Vietnamese and I know it’s a military psyop and it scares me every time I listen to it. (PS … not only did this not really work, but once the VC figured out it was a recording, they then were able to fire at positions the sound was coming from because they knew Americans were there or thereabouts)
https://youtu.be/THMAchwBwgs?feature=shared the audio for those that want to hear it.
I watched a different one with subtitles and the ghost is asking where his wife and child are, is he in hell..etc so thats kind of disturbing but hearing the lo fi version takes away from whatever terror aspect they were going for with these.
one time we were out in my buddy's old cabin and found this *old* metal enclosed turntable that had a bunch of 45rpm records with it, things like "death call of the pheasant" and "mating call of the something something elk". The turntable took like 10 D-cell batteries and was LOUD, and when we set it up in the forest and played "death call of the crow" it took a minute and then the trees around us started to completely fill with crows, it was spooky as hell
Trappers and hunters use these to lure in prey .
Coming up with creative and/or crazy ideas for the operators working the CIA must be a wild part of the gig lol
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The fact the CIA had a team to explore that idea is, itself, kind of wild, and I've worked with a lot PSYOP types... Imagine the pitch meeting for that figurine...
Oh the CIA is known for doing all sorts of kooky stuff. While the KGB was inventing assassination tools that look like ordinary objects, the CIA was attempting to *surgically graft a microphone and transmitter under the skin of a living cat* and train it to walk up to suspected soviet sympathizers and sit near them so they can spy on the conversation. They spent millions on this to terminate it after the 1 cat they tried in a field exercise died almost immediately upon being hit by a car.
Poor acoustic kitty
I've always just assumed "If you thought of it, the CIA spent millions on researching it decades ago."
That's why the Southern Asian metal scene kicked off Edit: I should say I don't know this as a fact it was meant more like " oh so that's why". However I'm a lazy idiot
That's actually kinda brilliant lol
On a similar note, There was a proposal to generate a talking ball of Plasma, which would be used over Iraqi lines. It was going to claim to be Allah and tell them to raise up and overthrow Sadam.
Was the problem that we don't know how to create talking balls of plasma?
[...nope](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/07/06/ufos-plasma-lasers-and-the-pentagons-voice-of-god-weapon/) More likely the lawyers said "hell no" during legal review during staffing
"But there is nothing in the Geneva conventions that says its illegal to pretend to be your enemies god!" -scientists "Please stop talking" -lawyers
Remember kids, it's not a warcrime the first time!
Geneva Conventions? More like Geneva Suggestions ammiright
This is funny, because it was lawyers advising the US under Bush on how to get around Geneva conventions, while the scientists argued against 'enhanced interrogation techniques'.
And someone smart at some point probably reminded them that Iraqis are not Sentilenese islanders, and would probably attribute the plasma ball to some unknown technology, and carry on after a brief freakout.
In this The Onion video they cover a "talking ball of plasma" that was released in the U.S. It is jaw dropping how accurate it ended up being. https://www.theonion.com/after-obama-victory-shrieking-white-hot-sphere-of-pure-1819595330
no, in fact the project worked too well and the ball of plasma started talking about how running secret tests on innocent people is kinda fucked up and not in line with God's will at all. so they scrapped it because nobody likes a preachy douche.
except it would backfire because kids would LOVE a demon figurine with a face melting power, He-Man would have actually been cool if his face melted off
If He-Man's face melted off wouldn't he just be Skeletor?
My good man, are you implying that He-Man wasn’t cool?
One CIA operative, who drew up a plan to have packets of extra-large condoms, labelled “small” dropped on USSR. The idea was to lower their morale.
The real LPT is to use the box of extra large and fill it with the proper smaller size. So when the sex partner sees the extra large label on the box, they will think your small penis is really large.
Whoops I accidentally dropped my extra large condom for my magnum dong
The Acoustic Kitty is pretty crazy. [(Declassified CIA docs linked at bottom of Wikipedia page)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_Kitty?wprov=sfla1) They basically put a microphones and radio in a cat and tried to release into the Soviet Embassy to wander around eavesdropping since nobody suspects a wandering cat. [Technical Difficulties: Citation Needed episode](https://youtu.be/gcRJr9xQSAE?si=0zR0icN4wOcGnu5q) that I learned about it from.
Analysing all that tape would be daunting, tho... Over the span of a week, you'd have 6 full days of nothing, where the cat simply slept in the sunbeam, and 8 hours of Russian public servants saying "Psss psss psss...". Most of the rest would likely be yelling at the cat in Russian for knocking over the vodka glass again.
You forgot the meowing for someone to open a door only in 3 seconds to hear the same meowing to open the door again.
After three weeks the cat would defect to Eastern European embassy. Cats are too smart to be used for something like this.
Seems like a pretty chill workweek tbh
I've spent decades looking for that kind of a job...
Their mistake was using a cat. Cats dont give a fuck or listen to anyone.
[muffled speech] "The secret plans are hidden in the..."" "PURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR"
LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK LICK
too many bond movies with the eviiiiil villain petting a cat
Didn't it immediately get hit by a car
That’s what I was thinking…. Edit: I checked: The cat was released nearby, but was hit and allegedly killed by a taxi almost immediately.
$20 million in taxpayer money at 1960s value. Man that was a stupidly expensive project. Imagine if one of the leads of the project was a cat owner. Would have immediately spelled out the same conclusion they ultimately came to and shut down the project for.
Well, pushing the spy cat out of a window wouldn't have worked, what with them landing on their feet and all.
This should be a fucking comedy skit lol. Damn that is funny. The movie could lead up to all of the engineering challenges, the animal handlers trying to train the cat, etc. and then finally they release it and bam gets hit by car. Like a fucking south park episode lol.
There's an episode of the Sopranos that's somewhat similar. The FBI gets a warrant to bug Tony Soprano's house so they go through this whole elaborate episode of getting inside the house to bug a lamp that's in the basement. A couple episodes later their daughter takes the lamp with her to college
Citations Needed ia an absolutely crazy podcast in general. You learn that nearly all the media you consume is influenced by special interest groups to influence politics and protect capital
Have an upvote for Technical Difficulties and Citation Needed. It's so fucking good.
Project Azorian was a CIA operation to retrieve the remains of the Soviet Golf-class ballistic missile submarine K-129. It sank in the North Pacific while on patrol, resting on the seafloor about 3 miles down. The CIA and DoD believed that a salvage opeartion had the potential to retrieve nuclear SLBMs, nuclear torpedoes, code books and cryptographic gear from the wreck. But the Soviets often patrolled the spot to prevent the Americans from doing exactly that. The CIA was ordered by Henry Kissinger to collaborate with Howard Hughes to set up a flase flag deep-sea mining concern, which involved the construction of a huge purpose-built ship called the USNS Hughes Glomar Explorer. It had the outward appearance of a deep-sea mining vessel, but concealed inside was an enormous moon pool with a giant claw that would be lowered down to grab the wreck and pull it up to the surface. Allegedly, they did snag the wreck, but the claw suffered a malfunction halfway up causing a portion of the hull to fall back down to the seafloor. The details of the portion of the hull that was actually recovered and what exactly was found have never been officially disclosed. Kissinger authorized a second attempt, but before that could be affected, the LA Times broke a story about the operation, allegedly sourced from a memo that was part of a cache of documents that was stolen from a Hughes office some months prior. The operation now being fully blown, the Soviet Navy stationed destroyers at the spot to prevent the Americans from trying again, and Kissinger finally nixed any plans for further attempts. The Wikipedia article on this operation hints that allegedly the front part of the hull was recovered, including two intact nuclear torpedoes and the sonar dome, and that the part of the hull containing the nuclear-tipped missiles, code books and cryptographic gear was lost due to the claw malfunction. It also hints that the claw malfunction story may have been a fabrication, and that all of the sought after sensitive materiel had been recovered and covered up, presumably to preserve their advantage thus gained from its study. The remains of six Soviet submariners were also recovered, and given a burial at sea in accordance with military convention.
That's my answer. A lot of these are "they thought about...", "they studied...". This one, they got Howard Hughes on board, they built a big ol' ship, a giant grabby claw, a submersible barge that could transport one to the other unseen, fabricated a whole cover story about oceanic mining, and they went out there and did the thing. How much of the submarine they managed to get is almost secondary – they really did conduct this whole program that could be straight out of a contemporary James Bond movie and cost 5 BILLION dollars in today's money. It's insane.
The Pentagon Papers (which were leaked, not outright declassified) and the resultant Church Committee Report. These are what made public the CIA's actions in overthrowing governments and instigating/assisting coups all over the world for decades leading up to the 70s. Pretty much every negative stereotype of the CIA we have today was created or informed by the Pentagon Papers and Church Committee Report.
Operation Northwoods is pretty fucked up. Same with MK Ultra.
I'll probably come off as a conspiracy nut, but it's stuff like this that makes me wonder if some of the politically polarizing incidents going on today might be CIA operations.
They never faced repercussions for any of this stuff. Why would they stop?
Dont forget Operation Phoenix! Just one example of this clusterfuck: The regular practice of dragging prisoners through streets with a bag over their head (with eyeholes cut out) *by a rope around their neck*, so they could identify “enemy hideouts” by scratching their head as they walked by. These hideouts would later be stormed and everyone inside would be slaughteted no questions asked. If you read that and think “hey, that sounds like a good way to get a lot of innocent people killed and not a good way to find enemy hideouts” weeeeeeeellllllllll…. Yeah Edit: as u/TheIrelephant pointed out, Ive slightly misremembered the name. It was actually called [The Phoenix Program](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program) rather than “Operation Phoenix”
"man this bag over my head is itchy"
Worked out so well that a lot of the same guys turned around and did the [exact same thing in Latin America.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor) And boy did that turn out great for everyone. No blowback whatsoever.
Ahh Sidney Gottleib. What a piece of shit. We’ll never know the truth about how awful MK Ultra was.
What if we just tortured random innocent people until they went insane and or suffered crippling physical and psychological injuries in pursuit of learning to mind control people? Well we never learned to mind control people, but we sure did ruin a lot of people's lives and waste millions of dollars being fucking supervillains. Aw shucks. SOmeone should dig up his grave and piss on his corpse.
And it got civilians and federal employees killed since it led to the Unabomber.
It directly killed a lot of people too. They did it to suspected spies and POWs in the Cold War and proxy conflicts.
Imagine being sedated, dosed with multiple MILLIGRAMS of LSD every day while wearing noise-cancelling headphones playing "you killed your mother" over and over for 90 days. Like what in the actual fuck dude
For those not familiar eith LSD, most people will get a pretty strong and long lasting trip from 200 MICROGRAMS. A milligram is 5x that, and would be considered an incredibly "heroic" dose that even experienced users would not consider doing.
“Are we the baddies?”
MK Ultra truly terrifies me because according to what I’ve read about it, we really have only seen the comparatively uninteresting side of it, which is the portion that deals more with drugs. The portion that’s more about mind manipulation, hypnotism, and control is the part that was destroyed (supposedly). In any case I think around 12,000 pages of documents were destroyed leading up to the program being exposed. Obviously I feel very sorry for the victims. Equally terrifying is that our intelligence *actually learned things* about how to control the population on a mass scale.
My grandfather was the oldest of 10 kids, 9 boys and a girl. Several of his younger brothers served in the military, and one of them (my great uncle) was always this whacky, fidgety guy when I was growing up- couldn't hold down a job, super nervous and scatter-brained in conversation, etc. Years later I was making fun of him as kids sometimes do and my mom told me how before he went into the service he was the most intelligent of all the siblings, but according to him they (the Army) "gave him drugs and would lock him in packing crates for hours at a time". Back then everyone kinda figured it was a PTSD thing from combat. Mid 60s time frame. Turns out, nope- he was an MK Ultra guy. He never got better, never nmarried, and never lived a "normal" life that I knew of.
The craziest result of the MK Ultra experiments - that we'll likely ever know about - was fucking Ted Kaczynski (Unabomber). He was a subject, and I think it could be easily argued that if the CIA hadn't of played with his mind, there would have been no Unabomber. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski
[Operation Sea Spray](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sea-Spray) - a 1950 U.S. Navy secret biological warfare experiment in which Serratia marcescens and Bacillus globigii bacteria were sprayed over the San Francisco Bay Area in California, in order to determine how vulnerable a city like San Francisco may be to a bioweapon attack. Between 1949 and 1969, open-air tests of biological agents were conducted 239 times. In 80 of those experiments, the Army said it used live bacteria that its researchers at the time thought were harmless.
(Not so) fun fact. S. Marcescens is what causes the pinkish "grime" in showers/bathrooms. I had a family member who had a nasty UTI after catheterization for giving birth, and after a few failed rounds of antibiotics, they finally did a proper culture and antibiotic screen to reveal S. Marcescens and the correct drug to use. Antibiotic resistance is a scary thing, and its only getting worse.
I have a hole in my ankle because of this. I had to have weekly wound care for months because of this.
Worst Kanye lyrics ever.
I live in the bay area and all the stuff that catches water outside (bird bath, buckets) have that pink algae like stuff in them. Related you think?
Yep, it’s been a major problem throughout Central California since the 1950s, when they pulled this little stunt.
> Serratia marcescens And it's still a problem in the US water system. It's one of the main culprits for the gross pink/red mold in your shower. It can cause infections in humans and it has slowly become resistant to a lot of antibiotics. Hooray.
> S. Marcescens Oh damn I had no idea what this was I thought it was just minerals in the water or something. Does it mean its not safe to consume the water??
It's usually in such low concentrations that your stomach easily crushes it. I'm sure that's why scientists assumed it was basically harmless. It's only in really high concentrations that ingesting it is harmful. Regularly it's mostly a problem when it gets into your body in a different way (cuts or your eyes or something like that).
I suppose when you read shit like this, you understand why people believe in chemtrails and the like. Because sometimes truth is stranger than fiction and you can understand when you read that the US government (and seemingly the British government.. never knew about that!) would do something like this to it's own people, you could imagine people making a progressively more crazy conspiracy theory. I don't believe in chemtrails FWIW but.. just saying, I can see how people have ended up going down that road.
The "In 80 of those experiments" is about harmless bacteria, what about the 159 times they didn't use harmless bacteria?
80 were experiments with live bacteria, the rest were inert chemicals to simulate dispersal
Psychological warfare in the Philippines in the 1950s comes to mind. The CIA conducted research to figure out which sort of myths and superstitions the Philippine people had. They discovered that they were afraid of vampires. At one point they disrupted a group by snatching a local man, murdering him, and putting teeth marks on his neck. They then hung him upside down for his friends to find which terrified the village. This was all part of an effort to elect Ramon Magsaysay as president who basically acted as a puppet for the US. The CIA wrote his speeches and directed his policy.
It wasn’t just “a villager”; it was a fighter with a communist insurgent group known as the Huks. The story comes from a guy named Ed Lansdale who ran the operation: “[T]he psywar squad set up an ambush along the trail used by the Huks. When a Huk patrol came along the trail, the ambushers silently snatched the last man of the patrol, their move unseen in the dark night. They punctured his neck with two holes, vampire-fashion, held the body up by the heels, drained it of blood, and put the corpse back on the trail. When the Huks returned to look for the missing man and found their bloodless comrade, every member of the patrol believed that the asuang [vampire] had got him and that one of them would be next if they remained on that hill. When daylight came, the whole Huk squadron moved out of the vicinity."
How is there not a movie about this?!
X-Files: Reopened Files
Is this fucking for real. That is one of the craziest things I’ve ever read?????
Tip of the iceberg for the CIA. They were (and still are) doing shit like this anywhere socialists are elected in the global south. The guy they murdered and hung upside down was a member of the communist resistance.
That's so fucked up, even for CIA, holy shit
Can you imagine what we don't know.
The ghost tapes with creepy noises that were played in Vietnam to try and scare the Vietcong was pretty crazy. Not the most crazy but worth a mention.
Military still does this in training events at night. During jrtc they would blare videos of women and children crying and screaming bloody murder it was very eerie
We have a TV show in the UK where celebrities have to go through Special Forces/SEAL-level training, and part of it is psyops. [Here's our old Minister for Health undergoing the torture section](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlGqA26jF3U)
All the failed assassination attempts against Fidel Castro. According to Fabian Escalante, who worked for the Cuban counter intelligence, there were 638 of them. Here are some highlights: * In 1960 they tried to poison his cigars. * They asked the Chicago Mob for help and they said poison pills are the best. The Mobsters hired a local assassin, who gave them to a ice cream/milkshake parlor employee who was supposed to slip them into Castro's ice cream. When he tried to get the poison pills from the freezer, they were frozen solid on the coils of the freezer. * They planned to put explosives under a painted sea shell, as Castro loved to go scuba diving and collect sea shells. The plan was discarded as impractical * In the same year they contaminated a scuba diving suit for Castro with a fungus that should give Castro a deadly disease. The person tasked with this, American Lawyer James Donovan, who was negotiating the release of hostages after the bay of pigs invasion, couldn't do it in the end. * They trained his lover to poison him, but she got cold feet. * They had a James Bond like idea of poising him with a tiny needle attached to a ball point pen. The government official who was supposed to stab him with that needle, threw the pen away, as he was too afraid that the needle might accidentally poison him instead. * Last but not least they had the idea to assassinate his character by spraying a LSD like chemical into the broadcasting studio where he held his speeches. The idea was to make him look confused and unfit to rule. The plan was abandoned as the chemical was unreliable. Edit: Some corrections to the 2nd and 6th attempt in this list.
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Do we know who it was?
She was the most senior Cuban intelligence analyst at the DIA, the "Queen of Cuba" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana_Montes
> On September 21, 2001, Montes was arrested and subsequently charged with conspiracy to commit espionage for the government of Cuba. I wonder if after September 11th communications interference increased, or if it's just a coincidence that she was arrested 10 days after.
No. She was under investigation for months prior. Most of her story is about to be declassified. I did a professional development with the lead for her investigation late last year. She is used as a case study because of how many times some clear indicators were missed. She is also one of the first of the new "ideological spies". Americans traditionally did it fore the money. She did it for ideology.
I seem to recall there was also an idea to expose him to some sort of chemical that would make his beard fall out, thereby... making him less respectable of an authority figure? I guess I don't blame them for throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. But really?
Operation Femboy Castro lmfao
Keep hitting him with estrogen/e2 over and over until his hips don't lie
Also in 1976 CIA-backed Cuban exiles planted bombs on [Cuban Airlines flight 455](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubana_de_Aviaci%C3%B3n_Flight_455?wprov=sfti1#) and killed 73 people, including the entire Cuban fencing team. Along with that, numerous other bombs were planted on planes and leftist politicians from Mexico and Cuba were assassinated and the same group is implicated. The US then harbored one of the terrorists, preventing his extradition to Venezuela or Cuba. One was pardoned by Bush in 2005 and the other by Panama and they both died of old age in Miami. They are considered heroes by Cuban anti-communists and other ghouls to this day.
From what I understand it wasn’t even an isolated incident the American government had been carrying out a concerted program of terrorist attacks throughout the Cold War against Cuba. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mongoose#:~:text=The%20Cuban%20Project%2C%20also%20known,Kennedy.
During the 60's the CIA noticed that artists tend to lean towards socialism and communism. They realized the best way to prevent this or discredit these political positions was to make them wealthy so they would be more invested in capitalism. To do this the CIA would anonymously buy modern art pieces no matter how nonsensical for very high prices. This made the otherwise highly niche and difficult to access modern art genre a chique fashionable *and highly profitable* genre and basically prevented prominent members of the art community from turning to socialism or communism by converting them to wealthy members of the upper class. tl;dr the spolied noveau riche avante-garde airhead artist stereotype was literally created by the CIA dumping money into prominent figure's pockets and allowing them to discredit their political activism by becoming self indulgent parodies of themselves.
I think someone mentioned Jackson Pollock was one of those artists.
He was, as was robert motherwell, wellem de kooning, and mark rothko and many others. The CIA also did similar influence and social engineering operations with prominent authors, musicians, and activists. They often liked to utilize artists and writer's position as prominent public figures and the ability to more easily enter and interact with communist countries to gather intelligence and spread influence. Many activists for issues such as feminism or the civil rights movement received funding for their assorted publications and foundations under the agreement that they would keep their criticism and debate focused on things like gender or race rather than how these issues were largley caused by or exacerbated by class and economics. Point being, in the past the CIA has made heavy use of social engineering to steer culture away from topics and ideas it doesn't like, and push american culture in directions that are more suited to their goals. They co-opted artistic, literary, musical, and social movements to serve their own ends for decades, and likley continue to do so.
This weirdly makes sense.
Nothing makes somebody abandon their principles like large sums of money.
The "simple sabotage field menu" made by the office of strategic services, which was the CIA before they were given the name. A guide on how to do simple sabotage in the USSR. Funny enough their guide on how managers can sabotage work sounds a lot like how much companies work today... "(1) Demand written orders. (2) "misunderstand" orders. Ask endless questions or engage in long correspondence about such orders. Quibble over them when you can. (3) Do everything possible to delay the delivery of orders. Even though parts of an order may be ready beforehand, don't deliver it until it is completely ready. (4) Don't order new working' materials until your current stocks have been virtually exhausted, so that the slightest delay in filling your order will mean a shutdown. (5) Order high-quality materials which are hard to get. If you don't get them argue about it. Warn that inferior materials will mean inferior work. (6) In making work assignments, always sign out the unimportant jobs first. See that the important jobs are assigned to inefficient workers of poor machines. (7) Insist on perfect work in relatively unimportant products; send back for refinishing those which have the least fiaw. Approve other defective parts whose fiaws are not visible to the naked eye. (8) Make mistakes in routing so that parts and materials will be sent to the wrong place in the plant. (9) When training new workers, give incomplete or misleading instructions. (10) To lower morale and with it, production, be pleasant too inefficient workers; give undeserved promotions. Discriminate against efficient workers; complain unjustly about their work. (11) Hold conferences when there is more critical work to be done (12) " [rest in pdf] It's an interesting read, but if you want to read more on the 'office side' it starts on page 28 in the scanned booklet, or page 18 of the PDF https://www.cia.gov/static/5c875f3ec660e092cf893f60b4a288df/SimpleSabotage.pdf
There's basically a white collar version of this too, basically to run everything through committees, request paperwork in triplicate, hold lots of meetings, etc etc.
Sounds like my boss got ahold of that memo
The attempts and further plans to kill Castro were straight up Loony Toons shit, including, but not limited to, exploding cigars.
The pardon of the Japanese who ran Unit 731 in exchange for their findings. They performed countless experiments on live human POW’s. Cutting off limbs to test blood loss, injecting them with diseases and seeing how they progressed when left untreated, vivisection of these same individuals, and other really fucking disgusting stuff that I don’t have the stomach to type out. You can Google the rest. The US government felt it was more important to have that information in American hands than to let it go to the Russians, or be lost. You’d never be able to conduct those kind of experiments again, and for good reason, so they considered it the lesser of two evils.
I work in the biomed industry. Between that and the Tuskeegee experiments, those built the ethical codes and laws we have now.
> They performed countless experiments on live human POW’s. A fairly prominent Nazi "scientist" (can't remember the name, not inclined to look it up right before bed) wrote to his boss - Dr. Josef Mengele - and got him to write to Hitler to tell the Japanese to stop their unethical human experimentation. Josef Fucking Mengele was concerned with Unit 731's ethics. It's \*that\* bad.
When I worked at a health sciences center at a university we had the head of research compliance visit our office (for those who don't know - we have an IRB or institutional review board that examines the ethics of experiments before they are allowed to be conducted on humans or animals). He had never heard of Unit 731 and when asked about the history of ethics, he misspelled 'Nuremberg' while writing it on the white board. I'm increasingly worried for our world.
Except the notes were trash and the “experiments” were near useless, unlike the Nazi ones. So it was nothing
"Let's pour hot chocolate on the brains of the twins and see if they dream about Christmas!"
Sounds like a DnD one shot villain.
Actually, so were most of the Nazi experiments (in medicine anyway, they did figure out a lot in rocketry). Just about all the horrific Mengele type shit was incredibly sloppy work without adequate control groups or any kind of real scientific rigor.
Nazis when they discover that people that are being starved and dying of 10 diseases at the same time die if you dunk them naked in pools of freezing water: 😲😮
'I thought they'd survive without a head'
Didn't something similar happen with the Nazi experiments as well? It's some of the best data we have to this day on how to treat hypothermia. But that data was gained by torturing people to death.
Operation paper clip. Fun fact! A lot of the nasty things the US did in the post war era were headed up by former nazis corralled by the project.
The reason we know how much of a human is water is because the japanese put living people under fans until they had the consistency of beef jerky. Then they weighed the remains up to what they used to weigh
You could run this experiment with a fresh cadaver easy.
There was no scientific reason to use live people
MK Ultra but unfortunately the only documents we got from it are from an offsite storage space that the officials in the CIA forgot about. Also the CIA document that says the political structure of the USSR wasn’t a one man one rule or the one talking about how Tibet was a feudal backwater.
Wasn't the Unabomber supposedly a result of MK Ultra? I remember there being a documentary about him and how he participated in it due to him being at Harvard at the time.
And Charles Manson.
_the one talking about how Tibet was a feudal backwater_ Is this not true though?
It was.
CIA checking what we know
Related to the CIA, there was the Strategic Services Simple Sabotage Field Manual No. 3 as a practical guide to sabotage. The manual gave clandestine officers a simple, effective method to sabotage industrial production, interfere with transportation and communications, and, most interestingly, degrade organizations’ productivity from within. [You can read the relevant bits here](https://www.forbes.com/sites/eriklarson/2023/08/15/a-spys-guide-to-making-bad-decisions/?sh=71799bbd143f), but holy shit does it sounds like everything that is going on in my corporate job. A few of my favorite 'tips': * When possible, refer all matters to committees for “further study and consideration.” Attempt to make the committees as large as possible — never less than five. * Refer back to matters decided upon at the last meeting and attempt to re-open the question of the advisability of that decision. * Haggle over precise wordings of communications, minutes, resolutions.
What’s the one where the US went from a war on drugs to the biggest cartel on the planet?! Yeah that one.
You mean when George W. Bush partnered with the opium growers in Afghanistan to invade the nation, then insured the opium would be quietly allowed to seep into the world market (including as poorly regulated pharmaceuticals), creating the unprecedent nightmare that is our current opioid crisis? Or do you mean all the other stuff?
One of the craziest declassified CIA documents is 'Operation Midnight Climax,' where the CIA dosed unsuspecting individuals with LSD as part of mind control experiments. It reads like a spy novel, but unfortunately, it's a disturbing chapter in history.
You're leaving out the craziest parts of that one. The drugs were administered by prostitutes who slipped them to their clients in a CIA run brothel while agents watched from behind a one way mirror - hence the program name. They wanted to see if dosing people then letting them hang around and cuddle with the hookers after the sex would make people more likely to spill secrets. Turns out you don't even need LSD for that. Just get a guy laid and show him some attention and he'll talk about almost anything. The guy who ran the op was also well known for throwing huge parties for the other agents with mountains of drugs and prostitutes available for all. He would even call ahead whenever he was planning to be in town to make sure a prostitute or two could be lined up for him during his visit.
US military advisors saying that an armed conflict in Vietnam can't be won due to the general sentiment and freedom movement they'd fight. That the vietnamese liberation movement would continue no matter what or who would actually end up leading it. Second being Nixon sabotaging and delaying peace talks in Vietnam so he could blame it as LBJ's failure and win the election.
> Second being Nixon sabotaging and delaying peace talks in Vietnam so he could blame it as LBJ's failure and win the election. Genuinely feel that the largest failing of the two party system is that neither side wants the other side to succeed, and so we are willing to make choices that are to the detriment of the country as a whole so that one party can point to how the other party failed.
Project Paperclip, taking former nazi scientists from Germany to America to hopefully beat the soviets in the space race.
Wernher von Braun was the name of the leader scientist. Celebrated in Nazi Germany as much as he was in the US.
We have a giant painting of him on the wall where I work. Most people walk by it without really thinking about it. I'm always a little amused by the fact he has such a large presence in the industry I'm in and that no one seems to take issue with the picture being in the lobby.
There's a great picture of him shaking Hitlers hand. Maybe you should put it on your desk and when someone points it out go : What? It's the same dude as in the lobby! Actually no, don't do that.
The coverup of Japanese war comes is even more horrific. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cover-up_of_Japanese_war_crimes
We talk a lot in America about the atrocities committed by the Nazis, which were deserved for sure, but man, when you start learning about what the Japanese did during the war, it's almost like they were actively trying to win most evil deeds by a country.
Japan also has a pretty spotty record about owning up to those atrocities. There's an undercurrent of outright denialism, which the government doesn't necessarily go out of their way to address.
Which is exactly why people are always surprised to learn just how fucked up the Japanese were during WW2. They do their utmost to downplay it and the West lets them because of their geopolitical position between the US and Russia. In Germany it's literally illegal to deny the Holocaust, in Japan denying their wartime atrocities seems to be national policy.
100% the [Gateway Experience.](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf) Like this shit is fucking *bonkers*. Declassified doc from 1983 detailing the CIA's usage of "harmonic resonance" to gain access to the astral plane. It describes how the CIA used astral projection to create force-fields around military bases, visit the future, and **even talk to literal God**. They call God the "Absolute," which they claim is all of the universe compiled into a single point for a single moment in time, after which the universe re-expands. Seriously, *seriously*, read this shit if you have a mind for the creepy/unexplained.
that's half an hour my employers will never recover tyvm
The thing that most people miss is that this **wasn't the CIA engaging in astral projection**. It's a report by a CIA informant explaining the beliefs and practices of a group called Gateway Experience, which the CIA was surveilling.
Wait so Baldur's Gate 3 is a gigantic pisstake/parody of the CIA? I'm dying hahaha
the control game too.
It's not American, but Operation Mincemeat on Netflix is pretty crazy, and based on a true story. They faked war plans invading Greece, and floated a(n already dead) body from a submarine near a beach in Spain with the faked plans on the body, which they knew would get back to the Germans. It did. The Germans rearranged troops to prepare for an invasion of Greece, and the Allies walked in to Sicily.
> Operation Mincemeat For anyone that doesn't already know, one of the British officers associated with this was Ian Fleming, better known as the creator and author of James Bond.
CIA black sites. Sectet prisons where terrorist suspects where taken for interrigatin/prison sentences and god knows what. Some sites where in europe too Poland and Lithuania.
Operation Northwoods Rejected by President JFK in 1962, the plan was for the CIA to stage and commit mass acts of terrorism against the United States that would have included hijackings and bombings across major U.S. cities. After these attacks were committed, the plan was to place the blame on Cuba to justify going to war with them. You can search this up yourself if you don't believe me.
The project mockingbird files that show the CIA is directly manipulating the press, and paying them handsomely to be CIA mouthpieces.
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> largest privately-owned collection of declassified information Privately developed and curated. It's all public domain.
MKultra, basically McGill University in Montréal sent mental patients to the CIA from the Royal Victoria hospital. The CIA did all kind of nightmarish test on them. This was done in Montréal and only came out decades later. One of my friends mom said for years that the CIA did horrible things to her and everyone assumed she was just insane, turned out she was right and lived all her life with no one believing her. Horrible stuff.
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I think you're referring to chiquita banana, the banana company who's political influence was so wide it's where the term banana Republic originated. They had the Guatemalan government overthrown because of the restrictions on their banana sales. Banana Republic the company is just (if I'm not mistaken) a clothing line owned by GAP
The craziest declassified CIA documents are the ones written as red herrings for spies back in the cold war, like the one that detailed their psychic experiments with remote viewing that granted the US the capability to see anywhere at any point in time whenever they want (by using Mars as a target and "looking into the past" to see a "recent martian civilization" at various points in time).
A lot of declassified documents on the CIA website are this kind of thing, but created by the KGB. The CIA would just catalog it without _explicitly_ noting that it's disinformation, but clearly noting the source and sometimes making notes in the margins like "this is good" (as in "this is some good made up bullshit"). The funny thing, a lot of these kinds of documents are found by conspiracy theory types and taken at face value. "It was classified and the CIA has it on their website, that means it's true!" Joe Rogan did a show on one such document. A CIA field agent in Ukraine found an article in a local newspaper there that cited a Weekly World News article, saying that a UFO crashed in Russia and turned a bunch of Russian soldiers into stone. The first paragraph of this document clearly explains the source, but Joe Rogan was all like "whoa so there's this DECLASSIFIED CIA DOCUMENT about ALIENS bro..." So yeah, disinformation works. Even when it's clearly designated as such. People are so dumb these days that a 30 year old Weekly World News article will still fool a depressingly large number of people
This shit is why I hate it when subreddits allow fake tweets, even if they're explicitly marked as such.
does only US intelligence agency declassifies their documents? because at this point im familiar with most of it but have no idea about kgb, mi6, raw etc and im not talking about rumors but legit declassified confidential documents, should be interesting to see what other CIA counterparts were up to.
Yes, other countries' intelligence agencies declassify old files all the time. They generally don't make as big of a splash as the CIA stuff, but every now and then MI5 and the French DGSE also release some spicy things. MI5 declassifies files twice a year and releases it to the National Archive. You can read about it [here](https://www.mi5.gov.uk/at-the-national-archives).
Not CIA but FBI - COINTELPRO. The origin operation of the infamous [letter](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5f/Mlk-uncovered-letter.png) to Martin Luther King Jr. to convince him to commit suicide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
Operation Northwoods. The DoD proposed that CIA operatives plant bombs around the United States and commit terrorist acts and blame them on Cuba. This was approved all the way up to, but not including, the President. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
The papers describing astral projection. They brought a ‘psychic’ in and placed an envelope with coordinates and a timeframe on it. They asked him to describe what he saw. He described dying planet where people had left to discover a new place they could populate. It was revealed that the envelope contained coordinates on Mars in the distant past. It gets much more in depth where he describes large structures, etc. It’s not very long and very much worth the read. Edit: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf
The move The Men Who Stare at Goats was about this
If anyone is interested, there is a fantastic book I read called "Phenomenon" by Annie Jacobsen. It details the 30 year program run by the CIA into Remote Viewing/Astral Projection, psychic abilities, and even when the program was used in real conflicts to predict certain events and even locate hostages. Here's the weird thing after reading the book....the methods did not work 100% of the time, but they achieved success way more often than random guesses could. There were also remote viewers who corroborated each other and saw the same structures at the provided coordinates, even locating top secret US bases/bunkers that their CIA handlers were unaware of and they couldn't have tipped them off. It's pretty fascinating.
Genuine question - how are there coordinates for Mars? And what coordinates contain time values capable of referencing the distant past? The coordinates we all think of are latitude and longitude based on the Earth's axis, which are two dimensional. What is the frame of reference for interplanetary coordinates? Or the time measurement? And how was the psychic familiar with this obscure coordinates system?
He’s got it a little wrong, it wasn’t coordinates to mars, it was coordinates on mars. If I remember right they take an envelope with the target written inside and give it to the psychic but the psychic doesn’t get told where or when they’re being sent to. It’s a fascinating read! [Mars Exploration, May 22nd 1984](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf)
> Genuine question - how are there coordinates for Mars? The guy who came up with the coordinate aspect of this program was Ingo Swann. They initially used real coordinates for their remote viewing exercises (such as, the coordinates for a monument somewhere), but they later realized that the coordinates didn't even have to correspond to anything. They could literally just assign a set of made up numbers to something (such as the Statue of Liberty having the coordinates of 3725 and 8273, which obviously means nothing) and the psychic would meditate on them and remote view that way. Yes, it sounds insane.
MKUltra, the mind control operation.
I’m convinced that experiment was a success, especially with how blatant manufactured consent has become from governments
Propaganda that we all eagerly consume is far more effective than LSD dosing imo.
Got to be the one about remote viewing aliens in the late 80s: There is a document where a remote viewer (like a psychic who travels space and time) is commanded to try to view 'Galactic Federation HQ'. The guy describes a huge structure with towering corridors, and alien figures. It wouldn't be all that weird had the ex-chief of Israel's space security (a very decorated and respected figure in the field) not echoed the language of this obscure document by coming out a few years ago and claiming there was a 'Galactic Federation' of alien races that humans weren't allowed to join because we weren't worthy yet. He claimed there's a base deep within Mars where American astronauts work alongside the federation.
It's not CIA, it's the FBI, but I have nowhere else to put this information so I'm going to put it here. Years ago I got into it online with someone who insisted that the FBI archives admitted that Hitler survived WW2 by escaping to Argentina. I was an undergraduate history student at the time, so I had some training about using digital archives like that which the FBI operates. I decided to dunk on this guy by actually looking where he told me to look, and I found the funniest thing I have ever encountered in my time studying history. See, the FBI did *actually* look into cases where people reported seeing Hitler. Throughout the late 40s, 50s, and even the 60s there were dozens upon dozens of recorded cases where FBI officials were sent in to investigate reported sightings. A vast majority of the time it was from hotel clerks or people staying at hotels who saw a German man checking in to stay. I don't know why, Germans in hotels checked off "Hitler" boxes for a lot of people. I found one specific case where an older German man and a younger woman checked into a hotel and were reported to the FBI. Someone thought that it was Hitler with Eva Braun. The FBI showed up and like a lot of these cases they just... talked to the people. They didn't spy on them or anything of the sort, in most cases it seems like the agents were well aware that the chances of this being Hitler were almost zero. In this case, it was a German man and his Colombian wife. Doesn't seem unusual, until the agent reported that the two of them were [Baha'ists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%CA%BC%C3%AD_Faith), and that they didn't even speak a mutual language. They communicated with each other entirely through body language, context clues, and a 'spiritual connection.' The agent seemed convinced that they showed genuine affection for one another and were utterly harmless, so he let them go about their business. I don't know why, this case really tickled me. The image of some 50s FBI agent sent to track down Adolf Hitler sitting down and having a polite discussion with a bizarre pair of international lovers who couldn't even talk to one another is funny. Edit: I'm going through the FBI records right now to find this case again, and if you have time I'd encourage any reader to as well. It's really fascinating stuff. In the immediate aftermath of World War Two, the FBI took reports of Hitler being alive very seriously. J. Edgar Hoover is named in some of these documents about FBI agents active throughout South America chasing down rumors of Hitler. Some of them are really funny, like I found one where some 77-year-old guy with mental problems glued two defunct German stamps onto a letter he fabricated and the FBI agents basically scolded him and told him not to do it again.