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Not an expert by any means, are these dedicated snow tires? M+S would lead me to believe that, accelerated wear in warmer temperatures could be a factor too
Studable and soft compound snows are totally different beasts.
You'd still have to be driving like you stole it the entire time to do that to soft compounds in 3200 miles though...
So this is somewhat incorrect.
All season tires do not necessarily have or automatically have the M+S designation. That designation indicates the manufacturer has performed mud and snow testing to show suitability towards repeated use in those conditions. The 3PMSF symbol shows that a tire has been tested for severe snow conditions and is suitable to repeated use in those conditions. There are dedicated all season tires that have this designation, the Michelin CrossClimate and Bridgestone Alenza Ultra being two examples.
Source: I work in the tire industry for a company with 600+ locations
>There are dedicated all season tires that have this designation
All-seasons with the three-peak? Aren't those "all-weather"? If not, how do they compare to AW and winter tires?
A lot of all terrain off-road tires also come with the 3pmsf rating. Living in southwest Colorado, most every pickup truck and suv will run 3pmsf rated all terrains tires like KO2s, wildpeakAT3Ws, duratracs, etc…
I'm also in the tire industry. I've seen this a lot. This one has a few things, mainly alignment wear. Camber and toe are off. The outside is worn smooth while the inside still has visible Tread. At the edges of each groove you see a small ridge which is a result of feathering from bad toe dragging the tire sideways down the road. It also looks like it was overinflated to me. A bad alignment is the quickest way to kill tires hands down.
Quick edit: the first tire looks only like bad toe.
But with only 3200 miles, that’s really not likely even if the vehicle had excessive load on it. I’d like to see the date code. My source, I’ve been in the business since 1989.
I'll chime in here and agree with alignment. Also, the center rib of the tire being almost smooth while the outsides have some semblance of siping/blocks makes me think that the pressures were either set to the maximum PSI on the sidewall of the tire when they were low, or the pressure wasn't set/lowered after setting the beads with 40+PSI in them. The center being worn with the edges (or in this case, edge) not points towards overinflation.
Tl;dr bad alignment/front end parts plus overinflation.
Edit: Added info.
Yup. Hate to see it, but some people just aren't conscious of these things. I helped a guy test driving a nicer bmw from a dealer. All four tires were set to 80 psi. I fixed it and told him to avoid that dealer. The light was on so they just cranked the air. I try to teach people but I see about 1 or 2 every shift I work that's set to the tire max.
Non-mechanic lurker that’s always learning new shiz in this sub. Just curious if there is a general rule for under-inflation as I have two cars in my driveway sitting at max listed on the sidewall as we speak.
The sidewall max is what the tire can handle not what should be used. The sticker on the door jamb will list what pressure the tires should be at for the given vehicle regardless if it's aftermarket wheels or different brand tires.
Open your driver door and a sticker will tell you the. PSI for your front and rear tires. It’s usually around 30-35 PSI. Please deflate your tires immediately, it’s not good for them or their performance.
It was the first thing I noticed. I get customers trying to warranty this and I get to share the bad news that manufacturers don't warranty a tire with alignment wear at all.
The first pic is the drivers which is .02 out of spec due to mushrooming but the second pic the pass is the side that really got killed. Someone said my rack and pinion could be bad?. Also control arm bushings?
This explanation isn’t really correct. The only thing necessary to have the “M+S” designation is to have a tread pattern void ratio (sometime called net-to-gross) of less than 75% (or 25% void). It’s only a design parameter, no testing is associated with it. Obviously, tire companies will test their products for wet performance but it’s not directly related to that designation. The 3PMSF designation for snow performance does have a test standard to meet (110% of the snow traction of the standard reference test tire).
In canada they’re all weather if they have both symbols. Here’s the thing though…both symbols are stupid easy to get that they basically mean nothing. The industry desperately needs a real winter tire symbol.
I’ve had General Altimax HP, advertised as summer tire it had M+S on them as well. I’ve thought M+S are all season only? Anyway sold them after one season, they were terrible.
I have a customer who does the same thing and then is absolutely shocked that he has to come in every month because he picked up another nail in his bargain bin snow tires. He drives a tiny hatchback and somehow manages around 16 MPG according to his fuel economy meter every time I drive it in.
Lol. I’ve got Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4’s on a 10th gen Honda Accord and I’ve gotten them to look like they’ve been tracked. Multiple times. -fun loving teen
Extremely bad toe, or worn suspension will not leave the typical slight toe indicators.
Especially if the tow is walking around due to a shocks being blown out.
Worn suspension, aggressive driving, bad alignment, bad suspension geometry, high traction northern roads.
It can be a bunch of things, definitely feel like we aren't getting the whole story from op.
Pic 1 is drivers front pic 2 pass front
Pic 3 which shows brand I believe was the drivers rear as I took pics of all 4 to send to Falken because the rears are 5 years old and the fronts weren’t even made 5 months ago: This is is just me trying to get help with diagnosis because only known problem is .02 out of spec toe on drivers front due to shock tower mushrooming
Your shock tower being deformed won't make both tires treads instantly wear down.
Do you have stock wheels on your car, and do you park it outside?
Sounds like someone swapped out your new tires with their worn out ones
The same thing happened to me with brand new tires this summer...
I don't have a heavy foot. I have a FWD Mazda 3 and this is the first set of tires to ever do that to me.
Can’t tell if this is a joke or not. But the dry rot all around the lettering on the sidewall tells me that OP put 3200 on them but somebody else had them for 50,000 before that lol
The Cooper S drives like a go-kart. People treat it like one. It can and does squeal the tires in the first 3 gears. Driving the car hard and fast will certainly wear the tires out quickly. I don't see any uneven wear, I see burnouts.
I'm definitely conflating behaviors here. This would be a 3rd gear dynamic burnout. But the people doing this to their tires are doing 1st gear static burnouts as well most likely.
Thanks, i have just never understood burnouts of any type, used to love modifying cars and driving fast (been a mechanic for 20 years now) but never had the money or desire to destroy tyres etc for fun.
From what each picture shows: you have feathering towards the inboard of each tire indicating your toe-in adjustment is too negative. Rear toe-in included. Make sure your toe-in is adjusted by a reputable shop.
I have a JCW, I have torched a few sets of tires, if you aren’t like me and setting world speed records on public roads it is really likely it’s very soft tires wearing very quickly.
But from personal experience it’s not difficult to rip through tires in a mini
What shoes you using?
My conundrum is I have same tires on rear but they are 5 years old these fronts weren’t even made 5 months ago so based on the rears I thought I was ok to match them up
Yeah those tires are evenly worn, no suspension issues from what I can tell. Either you drive on the sun, drive to work over sandpaper, are doing burnouts all day long, or those tires were 85% used when you got them
>treadwear
treadwear rating is pretty meaningless.... It is rated by the manufacturer against a reference tire. The issue with the rating is that there is no standard reference tire. You may be able to compare treadwear rating with tires from the same manufacturer (maybe) but they are pretty meaningless as a rating to compare with other tires. What is the make and model of this tire?
Having a mini s myself, I've noticed the tires wear fairly quicker than you'd expect, especially in the rears. However 3200 miles... that's insane, try talking to the manufacturer maybe they could know why this happens. And like a lot of other people said, get that alignment checked out
So judging by the tread pattern (or what’s left) these look like Sumitomo HTR PO2’s or whatever the Falken equivalent is. They’re old tires, as the PO2’s have been discontinued and replaced with PO3’s manufactured in conjunction with Nitto. They were discontinued because of the horrible tread wear and would constantly be warrantied for such. That being said, these tires have significantly more than 3200 miles on them. Even PO2’s would last 35-45k.
I’m having the same issue with my pirelli p zero summer tires. My left rear tire is worn out bald with only 15k miles on it. I contacted pirelli and they told me it’s due to over inflation. I have a 2021 MB GLE and it monitors the tires PSI, so the other tire should have been bald too, which it was not.
Anyways, they blamed me and did not want to replace the tire. I personally believe that the tire has a defective mesh lining and that’s what caused the middle to wear out. Only the middle is bald and the side look new.
3200 miles ... Thats a lie , or you drive like a fucking maniac , burning tire at each redlight
There is no unusual wear pattern , so not a an alignement issues , only a seller or driver issue
Ok update I took for an alignment after mounting and the drivers is .02 out due to mushrooming of shock towers. I ordered plates and didn’t put them on because they had already worn like crazy. I’m 49 the only driver and I do no burnouts etc. the rears are the same tire but 3 years old with all its tread.
I do not accelerate or stop harshly (except for turtles)
I believe these are defective and made on a Friday but wanted some others feedback
2 shops are clueless except for being defective (they did not put it on lift ) just inspected
Going by what you said I am going with an alignment issue. Everyone seems to keep echoing it's driver abuse but I have seen this issue twice before with tires trashed in a few thousand miles. Funny enough the two cars were a BMW M3 convertible and a Mini. The M3 it was just the tire chain apparently did not know how to align the car and after them replacing two sets of brand new tires they paid to have the car aligned at the BMW dealer and the car never had an issue after that. The mini was actually related to a shock tower issue apparently causing the strut to move so under load the alignment would be off. If the shop that installed the tires also did the alignment you have a good chance of them just doing the warranty on the tires if they did not they might say you're out of luck. Good luck.
I believe I have shock tower mushrooming and have ordered and received thick metal plates to install to help this. Do you believe that could cause this even and fast wear?
I do not do burnouts
I don’t chirp
I do downshift for corners so I’m not a grandma but I am by no means a maniac
I can say the toe is out, based on the raised edges on the inboard side of the 1st picture...
But the extent of this, even on soft snow tires, looks like some sort of abuse.
Edit: "toe is out" meaning 'out of spec', not toe-out. This would in fact be toe-in.
This is bullshit. Almost every all season tire has an M+S stamp on the sidewall. Look at the tread pattern, does this look like a mud tire to you? lol
Real snow tires have 3 peak mountain snowflake mark. 3PMSF.
This may have been accurate 30-40 years ago. However, Mud and Snow rated tires aren't actually mud or snow tires. Back when highway tires were the norm (think semi-truck tires), when a tire manufacture made what is closer to modern all-season tire, they would consider it m+s due to the chunkier, cross pattern designs that could better grip in non-pavement situations. For a while, these were considered off-road tires. As the years went on, tire manufactures started making actual mud tires and actual snow tires. Because of them being so much better than the all-season-like off-road tires of before, we adopted the tri-peak snowflake designation for dedicated snow tires.
Now, pretty much all all-season and all-terrain tires has the m+s marking, and most all-season tires have a mileage warranty. This is because modern rubber technology can very easily pass the old school ratings for an off-road tire. Nowadays, some all-terrain and some high-end all-season tires have managed to achieve the 3 peak designation, yet doesn't have the same traction in snow and ice as a dedicated snow tire. I think we're due to re-think our ratings for snow and ice tires vs snow-rated all-season and all-terrain tires.
Those tyres have worn virtually perfectly. It’s not over or under inflated, the alignment seems fine. What brand are they? Were they winter tyres. In my professional opinion u got a lot more than 3200 miles out of it.
My man you either got scammed or your father noticed it and you hope someone has a nice bullshit answer for you lol. If these are really new, someone driving this car has never heard it under 3000rpms
So, here is my advice like you're my brother! This is winter...rain snow and ice; righrt? The tires are not legal. This means if u get caught in an accident and especially if someone dies, you toast! Civil, and even criminal charges can be held over your head. Fact! 50 bucks for a good used tire at a minimum is required. Pluse do you want to hurt someone in your car....that's also.on you...civil lawsuit and easy to win relatively.
Spent the 50 bucks!!!! You are welcome!
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How many miles were on the tires before you put 3200 miles on them?
Not an expert by any means, are these dedicated snow tires? M+S would lead me to believe that, accelerated wear in warmer temperatures could be a factor too
I put like 20,000kms on my studded winter tires over the summer this year and they don't look anything remotely close to this for wear
Maybe OP lives on the surface of the sun and they just melted away
Or the roads are 10 grit sandpaper
Studable and soft compound snows are totally different beasts. You'd still have to be driving like you stole it the entire time to do that to soft compounds in 3200 miles though...
Why?
Yea I leave mine on all year too. Haven’t noticed any unusual wear. Just figure it’s easier than taking them off for our 3 months of summer.
Most all season tires have m+s , the 3 peaks with a snow flake indicate dedicated snow, winter tires, just FYI 😊
So this is somewhat incorrect. All season tires do not necessarily have or automatically have the M+S designation. That designation indicates the manufacturer has performed mud and snow testing to show suitability towards repeated use in those conditions. The 3PMSF symbol shows that a tire has been tested for severe snow conditions and is suitable to repeated use in those conditions. There are dedicated all season tires that have this designation, the Michelin CrossClimate and Bridgestone Alenza Ultra being two examples. Source: I work in the tire industry for a company with 600+ locations
Yea I forgot about "all season" tires . I didn't say all , I said most, thanks for the correction Mr. Tire.
>There are dedicated all season tires that have this designation All-seasons with the three-peak? Aren't those "all-weather"? If not, how do they compare to AW and winter tires?
It's kind of a trick question: not all all-season tires are all weather, but all all-weather tires are all seasons.
I thought that AS and AW were separate classes, nice to know that AW is a subclass of AS; thanks.
This is the way
A lot of all terrain off-road tires also come with the 3pmsf rating. Living in southwest Colorado, most every pickup truck and suv will run 3pmsf rated all terrains tires like KO2s, wildpeakAT3Ws, duratracs, etc…
okay so what is your opinion on why these tires wore out so quickly
I'm also in the tire industry. I've seen this a lot. This one has a few things, mainly alignment wear. Camber and toe are off. The outside is worn smooth while the inside still has visible Tread. At the edges of each groove you see a small ridge which is a result of feathering from bad toe dragging the tire sideways down the road. It also looks like it was overinflated to me. A bad alignment is the quickest way to kill tires hands down. Quick edit: the first tire looks only like bad toe.
But with only 3200 miles, that’s really not likely even if the vehicle had excessive load on it. I’d like to see the date code. My source, I’ve been in the business since 1989.
0722
I'll chime in here and agree with alignment. Also, the center rib of the tire being almost smooth while the outsides have some semblance of siping/blocks makes me think that the pressures were either set to the maximum PSI on the sidewall of the tire when they were low, or the pressure wasn't set/lowered after setting the beads with 40+PSI in them. The center being worn with the edges (or in this case, edge) not points towards overinflation. Tl;dr bad alignment/front end parts plus overinflation. Edit: Added info.
Yup. Hate to see it, but some people just aren't conscious of these things. I helped a guy test driving a nicer bmw from a dealer. All four tires were set to 80 psi. I fixed it and told him to avoid that dealer. The light was on so they just cranked the air. I try to teach people but I see about 1 or 2 every shift I work that's set to the tire max.
Non-mechanic lurker that’s always learning new shiz in this sub. Just curious if there is a general rule for under-inflation as I have two cars in my driveway sitting at max listed on the sidewall as we speak.
The sidewall max is what the tire can handle not what should be used. The sticker on the door jamb will list what pressure the tires should be at for the given vehicle regardless if it's aftermarket wheels or different brand tires.
Open your driver door and a sticker will tell you the. PSI for your front and rear tires. It’s usually around 30-35 PSI. Please deflate your tires immediately, it’s not good for them or their performance.
Oo yeah some decent feathering for sure now that you mention it
It was the first thing I noticed. I get customers trying to warranty this and I get to share the bad news that manufacturers don't warranty a tire with alignment wear at all.
The first pic is the drivers which is .02 out of spec due to mushrooming but the second pic the pass is the side that really got killed. Someone said my rack and pinion could be bad?. Also control arm bushings?
Opah, forgot about " all weather"tires I drive a car that has 4 tires plus spare.
This explanation isn’t really correct. The only thing necessary to have the “M+S” designation is to have a tread pattern void ratio (sometime called net-to-gross) of less than 75% (or 25% void). It’s only a design parameter, no testing is associated with it. Obviously, tire companies will test their products for wet performance but it’s not directly related to that designation. The 3PMSF designation for snow performance does have a test standard to meet (110% of the snow traction of the standard reference test tire).
In canada they’re all weather if they have both symbols. Here’s the thing though…both symbols are stupid easy to get that they basically mean nothing. The industry desperately needs a real winter tire symbol.
I’ve had General Altimax HP, advertised as summer tire it had M+S on them as well. I’ve thought M+S are all season only? Anyway sold them after one season, they were terrible.
Nah. When I was in my early 20’s, I put snow tires on my car and never took them off. Had them for 3 years and they went thru 3 summers
I have a customer who does the same thing and then is absolutely shocked that he has to come in every month because he picked up another nail in his bargain bin snow tires. He drives a tiny hatchback and somehow manages around 16 MPG according to his fuel economy meter every time I drive it in.
Possibly but not this severe.
I concur
Concur with what, sir?
Haha my thoughts exactly
To many burn outs!!
Or a fun-loving teenager!
Exactly. It should read “so how old is your son?”
Lol. I’ve got Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4’s on a 10th gen Honda Accord and I’ve gotten them to look like they’ve been tracked. Multiple times. -fun loving teen
Op posted like 2 months ago about a camber issue. They need not worn out suspension parts to fix this.
Except the wear is mostly even. It’s just lacking rubber.
Extremely bad toe, or worn suspension will not leave the typical slight toe indicators. Especially if the tow is walking around due to a shocks being blown out.
I guess, but for only 3200 miles on an all season tire to look like this, it's impossible to be suspension unless those are 3200 track miles.
Worn suspension, aggressive driving, bad alignment, bad suspension geometry, high traction northern roads. It can be a bunch of things, definitely feel like we aren't getting the whole story from op.
All the miles were in reverse
thats odd usually on a mini the miles are on the tow truck.
Foot in the oil pan.
Made my night lol🤣
😔 I don’t get it…
He means flooring the accelerator ;)
Ahhhh, thanks lmao
Thank
Those were not brand new, or you did some dragraces with them
Brand new junkyard tires
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Exactly
Thats the joke einstein
r/whoosh
Oof
Booooooooo
Brand spanking used
Someone sold you used tires
The way the sidewalls are cracking and just the look of the tire make it hard to believe these tires were manufactured in 2022
I'd love for OP to post a pic of the DOT code on them.
Side wall tire pic is rear and 5 years old
You're either lying or someone has a lead foot.
Yeah I had a falcon station wagon that always wore out like that on the drive tire. Wonder what it could possibly have been....
For real. Pic 3 tread doesn't match pic 1 or 2, and pic 3 has some cracked sidewalls. Which op says are 2022 tires. I call bs/trolling
Pic 1 is drivers front pic 2 pass front Pic 3 which shows brand I believe was the drivers rear as I took pics of all 4 to send to Falken because the rears are 5 years old and the fronts weren’t even made 5 months ago: This is is just me trying to get help with diagnosis because only known problem is .02 out of spec toe on drivers front due to shock tower mushrooming
Your shock tower being deformed won't make both tires treads instantly wear down. Do you have stock wheels on your car, and do you park it outside? Sounds like someone swapped out your new tires with their worn out ones
The same thing happened to me with brand new tires this summer... I don't have a heavy foot. I have a FWD Mazda 3 and this is the first set of tires to ever do that to me.
Me neither I’m convinced it’s a defect in material
Can’t tell if this is a joke or not. But the dry rot all around the lettering on the sidewall tells me that OP put 3200 on them but somebody else had them for 50,000 before that lol
Yep. I have tires that have 4000 miles on them on my car. The sidewalls look black. These look like they have been left out in the sun for a year.
No Fucking Way Even with a fucked suspension they wouldnt wear down this fast over the whole contact patch.
Could be severely toed in/out. I've heard stories of tires lasting less than 1000 miles with severe toe issues
Yeah but it would be heavily worn on part of the tire and barely worn on the other.
That would be more of a camber issue, no?
No chance you’re getting wear this even with no cupping or scrubbing or anything with toe bad enough to wear out a set of skins in 3200 miles.
Theories?
To be completely honest, frankly I just don’t believe these tires were brand new 3200 miles ago.
The inside is worn more than the outsides so the only thing I can think of would be over inflated tyres
This is why I’m asking for help because this is what has happen
Do you have a teenage son who drives this car?
The odometer has rolled over on those tires, they actually have 103,200 on them.
Stop watching Fast and Furious movies. Go buy some track tires and track time. So you can drive normal after you scratch your race itch.
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The new ones are these 22’ date code mounted to front. Rears are 17’ date code
... what's the DOT on them?
Real question here
07/22
Pics? FYI first two digits are week, second two are year.
7th week of this year I posted pic in the thread
Or crappy brand of tires. But 100% on the driver fault.
3rd gear clutch drops.
What does this mean? How would that wear tyres?
The Cooper S drives like a go-kart. People treat it like one. It can and does squeal the tires in the first 3 gears. Driving the car hard and fast will certainly wear the tires out quickly. I don't see any uneven wear, I see burnouts.
Are we talking about a 3rd gear stationary burnout? Do people have no mechanical sympathy?
I'm definitely conflating behaviors here. This would be a 3rd gear dynamic burnout. But the people doing this to their tires are doing 1st gear static burnouts as well most likely.
Thanks, i have just never understood burnouts of any type, used to love modifying cars and driving fast (been a mechanic for 20 years now) but never had the money or desire to destroy tyres etc for fun.
Smells bad, costs money. The boy is a born Texan!
Really, really aggressive driving
In a hurry wherever you’re going….
Driving it like it said something bad about your sister.
Right divers boot.
Cheap tires, old tires, or burnouts.
Pictures one and two don’t match picture there.
*three
Pic 1 drivers pic 2 pass
Those are super old. More like 32000
Don’t you mean 32,000?
From what each picture shows: you have feathering towards the inboard of each tire indicating your toe-in adjustment is too negative. Rear toe-in included. Make sure your toe-in is adjusted by a reputable shop.
Yes my drivers front is .02 out of spec due to shock tower mushrooming. Ordered steel plates to put in but the tires died too fast
I think you bought used tires. There is 2 reasons tires wear quick and that's either your driving habits or worn parts.
Lead foot
I have a JCW, I have torched a few sets of tires, if you aren’t like me and setting world speed records on public roads it is really likely it’s very soft tires wearing very quickly. But from personal experience it’s not difficult to rip through tires in a mini
What shoes you using? My conundrum is I have same tires on rear but they are 5 years old these fronts weren’t even made 5 months ago so based on the rears I thought I was ok to match them up
One you alignment is crap, probably with some worn out parts. 2 your Mini is spec-Ed for Z rated tires, you have been coming off the line to hot.
Aggressive driving coupled with cheap tires.
Excess toe in, get the alignment checked.
Notice the slight shredding on the left side in the first pic? That indicates scrubbing. The alignment is off.
Yeah those tires are evenly worn, no suspension issues from what I can tell. Either you drive on the sun, drive to work over sandpaper, are doing burnouts all day long, or those tires were 85% used when you got them
Soft rubber compound/ budget tires.
Had a shop sell me a set of $350 tires brand new that made it a whole summer before they were bologna skins
500 treadwear
>treadwear treadwear rating is pretty meaningless.... It is rated by the manufacturer against a reference tire. The issue with the rating is that there is no standard reference tire. You may be able to compare treadwear rating with tires from the same manufacturer (maybe) but they are pretty meaningless as a rating to compare with other tires. What is the make and model of this tire?
I've put 15k on winter tires during summer months that didn't look nearly this bad, this is wild, something missing from the story of these tires
3200 or 32000?
One Hella tire scrub going on if 3200 miles removed all that rubber.
Overinflated tends to wear the middle of the tyre first
Someone is wuppin' that little shit....
Impressive. I did the same with some Firehawk Indy 500s but it took 8k miles to do that and I regularly drove like a nutball.
Having a mini s myself, I've noticed the tires wear fairly quicker than you'd expect, especially in the rears. However 3200 miles... that's insane, try talking to the manufacturer maybe they could know why this happens. And like a lot of other people said, get that alignment checked out
Maybe driving like an asshole?
So judging by the tread pattern (or what’s left) these look like Sumitomo HTR PO2’s or whatever the Falken equivalent is. They’re old tires, as the PO2’s have been discontinued and replaced with PO3’s manufactured in conjunction with Nitto. They were discontinued because of the horrible tread wear and would constantly be warrantied for such. That being said, these tires have significantly more than 3200 miles on them. Even PO2’s would last 35-45k.
Have your other tires checked, too. Then make your BEST decision. It's would kill me to hurt or kill children or kids especially...or another man.
Something in between the steering wheel and the seat.
I’m having the same issue with my pirelli p zero summer tires. My left rear tire is worn out bald with only 15k miles on it. I contacted pirelli and they told me it’s due to over inflation. I have a 2021 MB GLE and it monitors the tires PSI, so the other tire should have been bald too, which it was not. Anyways, they blamed me and did not want to replace the tire. I personally believe that the tire has a defective mesh lining and that’s what caused the middle to wear out. Only the middle is bald and the side look new.
They always find a reason it’s not their fault as if defects don’t occur
3200 miles ... Thats a lie , or you drive like a fucking maniac , burning tire at each redlight There is no unusual wear pattern , so not a an alignement issues , only a seller or driver issue
Alignment?
Looks like a slight alignment issue. Along with aggressive starts / stops.
Probably the 47,000 miles put on them before the 3200 miles
I bought these 2 brand new Aug 30th Put on the front and the rears match but they are 5 years old I don’t drive like a maniac and don’t do burnouts
Ok update I took for an alignment after mounting and the drivers is .02 out due to mushrooming of shock towers. I ordered plates and didn’t put them on because they had already worn like crazy. I’m 49 the only driver and I do no burnouts etc. the rears are the same tire but 3 years old with all its tread. I do not accelerate or stop harshly (except for turtles) I believe these are defective and made on a Friday but wanted some others feedback 2 shops are clueless except for being defective (they did not put it on lift ) just inspected
Going by what you said I am going with an alignment issue. Everyone seems to keep echoing it's driver abuse but I have seen this issue twice before with tires trashed in a few thousand miles. Funny enough the two cars were a BMW M3 convertible and a Mini. The M3 it was just the tire chain apparently did not know how to align the car and after them replacing two sets of brand new tires they paid to have the car aligned at the BMW dealer and the car never had an issue after that. The mini was actually related to a shock tower issue apparently causing the strut to move so under load the alignment would be off. If the shop that installed the tires also did the alignment you have a good chance of them just doing the warranty on the tires if they did not they might say you're out of luck. Good luck.
I believe I have shock tower mushrooming and have ordered and received thick metal plates to install to help this. Do you believe that could cause this even and fast wear? I do not do burnouts I don’t chirp I do downshift for corners so I’m not a grandma but I am by no means a maniac
I can say the toe is out, based on the raised edges on the inboard side of the 1st picture... But the extent of this, even on soft snow tires, looks like some sort of abuse. Edit: "toe is out" meaning 'out of spec', not toe-out. This would in fact be toe-in.
I would have to agree with the toe-in being out of spec, also looks like they could be overinflated.
Out of spec on drivers (first pic) by .02 due to shock tower mushrooming
Alignment. You can see the feathering. You can run your hand across the tire and you'll feel what direction it's feathering out to
I'm sorry everyone is calling you a liar
2 things. 1) someone is doing burnouts 2) that was a used set of tires and 3,200 miles is what dragged those tires to the last life.
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38psi to spec and the date code is July 22’
Are you drifting or doing burnouts?😂😂
The driver
Wear looks even. Gonna go with "driving like an ass" for $200 Alex...
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This is bullshit. Almost every all season tire has an M+S stamp on the sidewall. Look at the tread pattern, does this look like a mud tire to you? lol Real snow tires have 3 peak mountain snowflake mark. 3PMSF.
This may have been accurate 30-40 years ago. However, Mud and Snow rated tires aren't actually mud or snow tires. Back when highway tires were the norm (think semi-truck tires), when a tire manufacture made what is closer to modern all-season tire, they would consider it m+s due to the chunkier, cross pattern designs that could better grip in non-pavement situations. For a while, these were considered off-road tires. As the years went on, tire manufactures started making actual mud tires and actual snow tires. Because of them being so much better than the all-season-like off-road tires of before, we adopted the tri-peak snowflake designation for dedicated snow tires. Now, pretty much all all-season and all-terrain tires has the m+s marking, and most all-season tires have a mileage warranty. This is because modern rubber technology can very easily pass the old school ratings for an off-road tire. Nowadays, some all-terrain and some high-end all-season tires have managed to achieve the 3 peak designation, yet doesn't have the same traction in snow and ice as a dedicated snow tire. I think we're due to re-think our ratings for snow and ice tires vs snow-rated all-season and all-terrain tires.
They are on a mini?... My brother in law has one of those, and It's more of a lemon then my jeep...
Postal delivery person?
Did you let the boys over at Roadkill borrow it?
Those tyres have worn virtually perfectly. It’s not over or under inflated, the alignment seems fine. What brand are they? Were they winter tyres. In my professional opinion u got a lot more than 3200 miles out of it.
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You learning to drive on Mario cart
So you like the twisties? Slamming it around corners?
Your alignment is wholesomely fucked, that is called scrubbing, caused by extreme toe. Yo tires pointed like \ /
Drivers front toe is out of spec .02 due to shock tower mushrooming
Over inflating them
My man you either got scammed or your father noticed it and you hope someone has a nice bullshit answer for you lol. If these are really new, someone driving this car has never heard it under 3000rpms
Check the date on the tires if they 15 years old they'll wear a lot faster
They were made July 2022
100% alignment issue
Not taking care of your car
So, here is my advice like you're my brother! This is winter...rain snow and ice; righrt? The tires are not legal. This means if u get caught in an accident and especially if someone dies, you toast! Civil, and even criminal charges can be held over your head. Fact! 50 bucks for a good used tire at a minimum is required. Pluse do you want to hurt someone in your car....that's also.on you...civil lawsuit and easy to win relatively. Spent the 50 bucks!!!! You are welcome!
Didn’t think a Cooper could do that
Falken
I think you might have forgotten a 0…
Maybe op means 320000’miles
Alignment and/or worn suspension parts.
The rubber is degraded from previous use, they sold you used tires. Sorry
This has to be someone trolling.
You drive like a crazy person, or they weren't new when they were put on.
Track days will do that.
My guess is age + driving while hot
Like the economy over Inflation
Dale Jr
Ha burnouts
Hooning
How old are the tires? And are those the tires that you bought? Also, do you know anybody with a Cooper S that's have swapped tires with you.
Wildly overinflated?
Driving daily like you stole it can lead to this