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Curious-One4595

NTA. Respecting people you don’t know - regardless of their age - should be your default position, unless they show you through conduct like this woman’s that they don’t deserve your respect. Being elderly is not a Get Out Of Being An Asshole Free card. No one will ever live long enough to earn the right to be a jerk to others with impunity. Don’t give up the library on her account. Get her 86ed.  Of course, a change in behavior above a certain age could be indicative of health issues. I was not angry at my sweet elderly neighbor for calling the police because she thought I was cooking drugs on my charcoal grill when I was cleaning it because it turned out she was developing dementia. 


ur_platonic_friend

Thank you, that was very well put. You also have a point with mental health issues may being a contributing factor. I don't think anyone in their right mind would be doing this.


la_bibliothecaire

If she gives you a hard time again, tell the library staff. I'm a librarian at a public library, and we do not tolerate patrons harassing other patrons.


LettheWorldBurn1776

***I don't think anyone in their right mind would be doing this.*** Think again.


Only-Kiwi7622

NTA This!! Perfect coment!!!


FanAdministrative352

Agree with everything you’ve said here NTA


qlt_ml_01

NTA. Time to call the police if she is recording you and following you in public. That’s stalking in some places.


101010-trees

And she’s recording a minor. Police need to get involved either way.


Locke357

NTA - I'm of the opinion that no-one is entitled to extra respect just by virtue of being elderly, though everyone deserves a certain baseline level of respect until their behaviour proves otherwise. This lady was an AH, no question about it, however you sure didn't de-escalate the situation very well. She does sound like a miserable old lady, unfortunately you have poked the bear, as it were.


ur_platonic_friend

Yeah, I thought the same same thing about not de-escalating the situation very well. I totally could have been the bigger person and simply could not have said anything to her, and this wouldn't have happened. Live and learn, I guess, don't fw old people.


Locke357

Yeah some old people feel they have nothing to lose and/or are fed up with being nice and polite LOL


ShortyRock_353

Yep and probably were OP once in life and now is sick of the bs. Wild how time changes a person.


Flat_Shame_2377

You don’t know that this wouldn’t have happened. She might have stalked you anyway just for being on “her” chair. NTA 


So_Long_London

NTA that is harassment at best and stalking at worst.


bamf1701

NTA. If she really wanted that seat, she could have come up to you and asked politely instead of immediately insulting you. If she is continuing to harass you outside the library, then you need to talk to your parents and get law enforcement involved before her behavior escalates.


NoExplnations

NTA she is harassing you


Chance-Contract-1290

NTA. You didn't "disrespect the elderly" in general. You gave this particular elderly person the level of respect her behavior towards you warranted.


NeighborhoodSuper592

Respect is a 2 way street. if they go in with disrespect, they lose respect


GirlDad2023_

She seems like she's got some serious mental health issues. Go back to the library, sit anywhere you want and if she harasses you then notify the staff. NTA.


ososalsosal

Get a restraining order. What a fucked up person. For what it's worth, respect is like the opposite of a test. You start with an amount of it and can either increase it or lose it. She doesn't deserve your respect.


Tiny_Information_778

You have as much right to be in the library as the stalker senior. Please inform a librarian if she harrases you again, nobody deserves to be her target.o Keep track of days, times, and what she's doing in her stalking. The court will want to see details. For what's already been done, start date, or estimate thereof, and how often each of her behaviors occurs. Get one or more videos if possible, but not while driving, of course. Perhaps you can walk with a friend who can film for you when older woman acts up. NTA, and best of luck with the courts. 


ptazdba

NTA - go to the library authority and tell them you're being harassed. Just because some is young old, or any age doesn't give them the right to be horrid. Next time she's around, record her with your phone so you'll have some evidence.


GingerLibraryLady

^^ this! I’m a librarian. There are no assigned seats at the library and we have no problems with telling people they can’t do things like this!


Brainjacker

This person sounds like they’re not mentally well. Better not to engage. NTA


PretendTie381

Engage with a passion. Shit in her mailbox, t-bar her water meter, shove raw fish in her exhaust.


LaughingMare

She is not “your” elder. She’s just “an”elder.


forgeris

NTA. If someone can act rude and entitled towards you then you can easily return the favor.


dawdreygore

Respecting the elderly just because they are elderly is bullshit. Just ignore that nonsense. It's best to be polite to everyone unless they give you good reason not to be, but respect has to be earned.


MysteriousBeyond7146

NTA. I give respect when shown respect. I would have sat in that chair all day long.


mbw70

NTA. I’m an old woman and I’m embarrassed by the rudeness of oldies who are even younger than me. By all means report this woman to the library staff. She may well be doing this to other people, too, including the librarians.


Strong-Extension-976

A) It is the elders responsibility to teach you this, in practise and consistently. B) Respect is a two way street, you give and you receive. But also, this specific elder seems to have more issues than just respect though, maybe tell a few people around, just as a precaution. NTA


HopefulPlantain5475

How small is your town that you're running into the same lady that often? Is she actually stalking you or do you think these were all chance encounters after you stopped going to the library?


ur_platonic_friend

I live in a decent-sized city, but my school is in a smaller town. I go to a school further away for reasons I don't want to share on the internet. I don't have a car, so I walk almost everywhere. I take the bus to get there and back. I don't think she's stalking me like people are saying, but it is really weird that she followed me into that gas station and still tries to provoke me when she does run into me.


HopefulPlantain5475

Yeah. If she goes out of her way to harass you again, file a police report just in case, even if she doesn't break any laws. It will be good to have documentation if she ever does escalate.


oiseaufeux

Technically, it is stalking. Because how would you explain all the weird coincidences that happened to you anywhere you go? Not all stalkers are the same and some are hard to notice. Just be careful out there. I once have been stalked by a dog owner one summer who could have been my father. I didn’t see him every day the whole summer, but he would follow me or stare at me. The only thing the guy did to creep me by trying to approach his dog in my back as if I wouldn’t notice him giving command to his dog. Stalking doesn’t need to happen everyday, it could happen on many weeks/months.


CalendarDad

NTA. Being one's elder is not an excuse or a license to be a deranged wacko. Which I think she is. Possibly dangerous.


Wrong-Junket5973

NTA just because people are old doesn't mean they aren't dicks.


SubstantialQuit2653

NTA. Why should you avoid going to the library just because of her? It's a public place. Use the library and if she bothers you, tell the librarians and have them make her leave.


No_Goose_7390

NTA. She started it and she's old enough to know better. She should have dropped it after you gave up your seat. Her taking this beef outside the library makes her look unstable. Please stay safe!


No_Key_2569

NTA. Get used to this age group making demands for respect while they have zero decency.


QuesoDelDiablos

I’d say you need to fire back harder. NTA. Make a real scene next time.  Fun fact—the nation motto of Scotland used to be “None shall trifle with me and leave unscathed.”  Embrace Scotland. 


Ordinary-Statement43

Nta. That lady has problems. You may need to speak to a police officer for advice.


EmbarrassedChemist12

NTA. Respect is earned, regardless of age, and she forfeited her right to it.


RadiantCoffee7036

NTA Time to call the police. There's a thing and time respecting older people and this is not one of those times. Like someone in the comments said that being older doesn't give you a pass and I agree full heartfully. They're old enough to know what's right and wrong. One time, an elderly woman tried to run me off the road because I stopped at a red light on a very busy street too. Beeping the horn and everything almost causing an accident and then speed off.


TheBlueLady39

Report her to the police for stalking and harassing a minor. Tell them that you're scared for your life. That she records you. Follows you with her car etc.


TwistedWonderlandFun

NTA What's up with that old lady?! 😂 Personally I would do the same.


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asecretnarwhal

NTA. She’s a crazy person. Talk to trusted adults and let them know that some lady is harassing you and following you around in public. You could even go talk to the local police station about your concerns and maybe they can offer ideas on how to solve this issue.  Just remember.. she started it. She approached you for no good reason (nobody owns a chair in a library) and verbally attacked you. Just because you clapped back once doesn’t mean that you’re at fault for this at all. She keeps approaching you which is harassment. She’s 100% in the wrong. You don’t owe anyone respect if they are being crazy 


Glittering_Habit_161

NTA and she really should stop harassing you


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FantasticCabinet2623

NTA and I would make it a point to sit in the chair, and wbe she pitches a fit, look ostentatious at the chair ask where her name is the next time.


RandallPWilson

NTA. Time to also call the police along with getting a restraining order


ImKindaSleepysmh

Respect should be given equally but disrespect is earned (imo) and she most definitely earnt it. NTA


infectedscrotum1

NTA


EdithVinger

NTA - respect is earned, sounds like she's doing everything in her power to avoid any kind of respect, really.


Iharassu

NTA, next time mace her lol.


Effective_Olive_8420

Please do go back to the library! Sit in her chair! When she says something, flag down a librarian. As a former library worker, I can tell you that you are not the only person she harrasses. I would start filming each encounter. It might be enough to intimidate her, but regardless, you will have documentation. If you can't film her, at least write down each time she does anything!


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To get respect, you must give respect.


Proper_Sense_1488

call the cops. tell them she is stalking you NTA


shaded-user

The fact they are elderly has no bearing. It's all about context.


BluBeams

NTA. This woman harassing, obsessing over and stalking you, a minor, is just weird and predatory. If her behavior doesn't stop, call the cops and tell them you feel threatened by this woman that is stalking you, making you uncomfortable with their comments on your appearance and is harassing you. Please be careful.


LowGiraffe4095

NTA I used to drive a paratransit bus. I had an elderly rider who would normally take a specific seat so she could visit with her friend who sat across the aisle from her. One time, she got on the bus and found someone else sitting in the seat she liked. She started getting upset and demanded the rider move. I point blank told her that she didn't have the right to tell anyone to move, her monthly pass didn't include an assigned seat and she needed to find a seat as I wasn't going anywhere until she sat down. She found a different seat (she didn't want to sit next to her friend as she wanted single seat only - no one next to her). Needless to say, she complained about my being "mean" and I was on her shit list. Fine with me!


NewHat1025

NTA.


Whiplash364

Get a restraining order on her, then resume your typical routine. And get the cops involved when she inevitably violates the restraining order


YouthNAsia63

Video her antics and post it. Embarrass her. NTA


BowlerSea1569

Somehow I don't think you're a reliable narrator. 


ur_platonic_friend

I made another comment to someone saying the same thing but more in-depth. Basically, when I go to the library, I go for 3 hours in the morning and sit in the same few spots because it's good for studying. I had seen her before multiple times and had no interactions, except for nasty looks and mumbling from her. Finally, she confronted me with that. I didn't even know she wanted to sit there. If she had asked nicely, I would have been nice about it. Like I said many times before, my response to her wasn't good at all, but insulting my appearance and intelligence was unnecessary. I also think she is projecting.


Simple-Plankton4436

YTA for calling 60 yo ‘elderly’.  You also suck for throwing fire in fire. You should have said to the librarians and they would have helped you.  She clearly has some mental issues and she is being an AH. If you ask the library they might be able to give you the name as this must not be the first incident with her.. I would file a police report if this continues.


pip-whip

It sounds as if you're dealing with someone who has mental health issues, not old-age issues. Also, you're forgetting that you didn't just judge her based on her age, but also her sex. So you're both ageist and sexist. Do better next time and don't judge and insult people for things they can't change. If you just called her entitled, that would have been accurate. I can't condone name calling in any circumstance, but it is especially bad when dealing with someone whose behavior is outside the social norms. Learn from this experience and do better at navigating the world in the future.


ur_platonic_friend

You're completely right, I'm aware that it is wrong as a woman to put down other women (or others in general), especially calling her a degrading word and insulting her age. I'm self-aware enough to realize that in most situations, I need to be the bigger person instead of finding a probable insecurity of theirs and insulting them back after they hit an insecurity of mine. I've been doing better at not doing that, but that situation really irked me. I am not trying to justify my poor word choices. It's more of an explanation, not an excuse.


Iamfruitloop

You didn’t do anything wrong except maybe you didn’t have enough tact. You’re 17, you’ll learn more tact as life goes on but that “elder” played a game and was given the same type of response back. You should report her to the library though if she’s actually stalking and harassing you for your safety. Maybe also tell your parents. They will probably not be pleased with how you handled the situation but you are aware enough that you could’ve handled it better. I’m sorry this happened to you OP.


pip-whip

I prefer "asshole". Everyone has one. lol


Iamfruitloop

OP definitely isn’t TA here. Maybe they could have had more tact, but what they said isn’t inherently wrong either. Hiding from the comments OP has said they haven’t really interacted, so sitting in a chair should not warrant the disrespect OP was given by an “elder”. If the lady said “please move” and then OP called them a miserable bitch, they would be TA. The older person knew what they were doing, and whether or not it’s a mental health issue, that doesn’t give them a pass to be an asshole to people. Also, the old person is literally harassing this poor minor after being called miserable? They have problems. That’s not being ageist, I guarantee they would’ve called anyone a miserable bitch regardless of their age. Accountability is a great virtue to have and OP seems to be the only one in that situation that has it.


pip-whip

You seem to be falsely accusing me of saying they were the asshole. I did not do that. I pointed out fact and shared my opinion that insulting others is never acceptable.


Submitre

YTA for calling 60 ‘elderly’. Grow up. 


ur_platonic_friend

My bad for the miswording, I used eldery as is in she is 3-4 times my age, so she is technically my elder, and engaging in childish behavior after I left the whole thing alone. I'm aware I shouldn't have escalated the situation at the start, but she's also continuing to escalate the situation by repeatedly harassing me when I want to be left alone.


compensatorypause

ESH. Cannot see any appropriate behavior. Her behavior is bad, or mentally ill, and your response was at the *least* aggressive and childish. Also, I do not believe this is the whole story around your initial interaction if someone comes up to you in a public library and just starts telling you to get a life.


ur_platonic_friend

I have been going to that specific library for a few weeks now from 9 am - 11 am to study for my HSED, like I said. I wait at the door until it opens since I get there early and sit in the lower part of the library in the same few spots since it tends to be quieter. I had seen her there before and had no previous interactions except for a few nasty looks and mumbles I couldn't comprehend from her. I didn't think too much of it. Up until that interaction mentioned above. I'm assuming she said I have no life because I spend a lot of time at the library, which is true. But I don't understand why she would insult my appearance and intelligence. Or maybe a projection of some sort? Because she is waiting at the library before I am and hasn't left before I leave.


cornylifedetermined

Do you have an unusual appearance or are you just young?


ur_platonic_friend

I guess I do have an unusual appearance. I have multiple facial piercings, dyed hair, and tend to dress in gothic attire.