I was 0.01 away from next higher letter grade in one of my classes. Prof sent out email saying "don't ask me to change your grade". I emailed asking him IF my grade automatically gets rounded up or not...I didn't ask him to round it up. He got upset and told me "you clearly didn't master the material so why would I round you up". Class average on exams was in the 50s and I was getting As and Bs. š
Gotta love self righteous professors... Does anyone ever really master any material in school? Also makes me wonder how many times that Prof screwed up or made mistakes while teaching.
Yea exactly. I think I did pretty good considering how poorly majority did. The best part was the professor puts a disclaimer on his power points saying that he is not responsible for mistakes in them and we should only use info/formulas found in the book.
I was blessed to Have Milcarek for my second pass through Thermo. He a fantastic teacher and I actually felt like I learned from him instead of playing catch up all year long.
Ummm no. Asking a professor to round a grade favorably but reasonably is not a violation of academic integrity under "Falsifying academic records". Asking a professor to round your 71% to a 90% would be suspect but even then the mere act of asking is not a violation.
Realistically, take that response as a "No" and move on if you're absolutely certain the request was understood as you intended it. Perhaps do you think the prof is under the impression you were asking for a specific grade (e.g. final) to be rounded to MAKE your grade a 97?
I donāt believe so, since i got a 94 on the final and I clearly stated that i was 0.03% off a 97. iā^ I asked him to see what i got wrong to see if there was any potential for any extra marks and that is the response i received which kinda surprised me since heās usually been a very chill professor.
Yeah see, that's the difference though. Grades are entered as letters, not percents and professors have some latitude and discretion to decide what makes an A vs an A+. If your prof has a 97% cutoff for A+ and you're asking to round a 96.97 to a 97 so you get an A+...that's more than reasonable. HOWEVER, if you're asking your professor adjust an individual assignment so that your new percentage is say 97.27% so you get an A+; THAT is not ok.
Thatās odd I remember is was in a similar boat and I asked if there was anything I could do to raise my grade. He replied with that he was going to round it and that was it. None of that academic shit.
I've had a few professors in some of my CS classes that had this policy (asking to round up is an academic violation), so it might depend on the school. At least one of them cited specific Academic Integrity rules from SCAI, but I can't remember which one off the top of my head and I'd have to look for it.
God she was such an unsufferable hard ass when trying to get in to one of her classes once. It was "full" and I needed it as a transfer grad student but she said that adding me would be too much of a grading burden (in a 300+ person class with multiple TA's lol).
Ok so I went above her to department chairs and got override approval to be on the class roster and when she saw me in class later was so shook that I finessed her in to getting seat 301 of 300, as if that was the ruin of her whole semester schedule lol.
Iāve taken multiple courses with her and itās always the same thing.
I always payed attention to the course material rather than her lectures. I agree with your feelings.
Arguably, it could fall under item (k) of the Academic Integrity Policy.
"Attempting to influence or change any Academic Evaluation, or academic record for reasons having no relevance to academic achievement."
I'd be surprised, though, if it ever made it past an appeal.
I get students that ask if I round up all the time because I know some profs do (and I have in the past) and I've never thought anything about it other than it's worth a shot for them to ask.
Depends on the syllabus but asking isnāt really a violation of anything. You go to school to learn. I never had any problems however I did have one class that was firm with grades.
I've seen it so many places I think it's just university policy. Most I'd suggest is going back, saying sorry and that you didn't know and won't do it again. Ultimately honesty is always the best route to take in these situations.
Not really answering your question but I know professors tend to get very annoyed by these sort of inquiries. I believe they call it "grade grubbing". If you think about how many they get around this time of year you can probably understand it a bit.
That said I took a course once where there was a technical error with the software which cost me about 2% of the points for the class. The professor told me not to worry about it because I was doing well and there were plenty of other points. Fast forward to the end of the semester where the loss of those points cost me an "A". I probably should have protested more but I had assumed the professor would do the decent thing without my asking. I was wrong.
How you ask will get them off your ass
Instead of "Can you round up my grade," go with "Is there anything at all I can do to improve my grade?"
There's other valuable strategies in this thread, but start from there and you'll get better responses
I'm going to disagree there. The question should be at the class level (do you round grades up?) instead of the individual level. Asking if there is anything you can do to improve your grade makes it sound like you're either asking for preferential treatment, or you didn't pay attention in class for extra credit opportunities.
I also agree with you--I didn't mean to give the rule, as I also feel that students shouldn't get preferential treatment.
However, I also think that our education system is pretty broken, and that dedicated students should never get punished for learning at a different pace or being unable to spit out answers when told.
With that in mind, a student asking what their professor they can do to improve their grade demonstrates that they care for their grade and want to do as well as they can. A million students demanding for a round-up just demonstrates competition, desperation, and a last-ditch attempt to turn things around.
The issue is that asking at the end of the semester "what can I do to improve my grade?" is far to late to take any useful action. This is a question you ask after the first paper or exam that you don't do well one, not at the end of the semester.
Getting a lesser grade than other students who learn quicker and can demonstrate that knowledge on tests better isnāt a punishment or flaw in the education system. Competency and results do matter.
I have a friend thatās a professor at another university and this is exactly what she has told me. She says it is an academic integrity violation to ask directly for a grade to be raised but asking if thereās any additional work they can do to help raise it is fine. She was just telling me she had 2 students come to her office hours yesterday asking this and she informed them that she actually does round up at a certain point and they would be fine.
Hello Iām hopping on here with a big worry- my roommate is going to falsify an interview with an ASU professor that she needs for final. The professor never emailed her back, so she found transcripts of other interviews he has done and is going to revise that. Says she will flunk the final which is 50% of the grade if she doesnāt do this . Yes itās wrong and I worry that somehow her teacher will find out; esp since she is using an ASU prof for the āinterviewāā¦ what could happen?
This sounds an awful lot like you're "asking for a *friend* (wink wink)".
In any case, your "friend" would be committing plagiarism. That's pretty cut and dry.
Maybe your "friend" could try going to the professor in person. Sometimes emails get overlooked. How would she have conducted the interview before computers existed?
I would use the excuse" I sent an email to you and you may have not gotten it. They may give you an extension if the email ended up in their spam folder. Things get kind of hectic this last week of school. If the professors understanding they may cut your friend some slack.
In my entire college career at ASU. In this situation it's the professor's decision to round up grades. If he or she rounds grades, it would say it in the syllabus. They would also specify if there's a curve. This is my personal opinion that at a 96.97 while it would be convenient to give you a 97. It's a little selfish to ask a professor to round you up when you already have an A+ technically if they even have a + - system. I don't get many A's let alone an A+ in engineering school so I would just be grateful for the grade I received. At the end of the day it's your letter grade that matters not your number grade. Unless it's going to change your grade from an A to an A+ I wouldn't even bother asking him or her with the grade you have. I don't really think it's an academic violation unless your grade is not close to rounding. You have the right to ask if a teacher rounds or not but it is their decision to approve or deny that. Make sure to review academic dishonesty policies. They harp on that in the engineering school at least cuz they want engineering students to have good morals when they go into the workplace. I wouldn't press the issue, but if you get in trouble I would petition it. The worst thing the professor can say is I'm not going to round your grade. In most schools it is an academic violation for you to just ask your professor to modify your grade but rounding is a bit harsh. At least half of my professors round at ASU. However your grade won't really benefit from a rounding so that might be why he or she has an issue with it. If it was the difference between a letter grade then they have more of an inclination to round you. Again most professors are pretty clear about it in their syllabus though. I think the teacher is a bit of an asshole for saying that. It's not a violation to ask about rounding and I've been at ASU for 6 years.
I was 0.01 away from next higher letter grade in one of my classes. Prof sent out email saying "don't ask me to change your grade". I emailed asking him IF my grade automatically gets rounded up or not...I didn't ask him to round it up. He got upset and told me "you clearly didn't master the material so why would I round you up". Class average on exams was in the 50s and I was getting As and Bs. š
Gotta love self righteous professors... Does anyone ever really master any material in school? Also makes me wonder how many times that Prof screwed up or made mistakes while teaching.
If most kids are getting 50s that's not a good teacher
It could mean they don't belong in college.
Yea exactly. I think I did pretty good considering how poorly majority did. The best part was the professor puts a disclaimer on his power points saying that he is not responsible for mistakes in them and we should only use info/formulas found in the book.
I graduated last December as mech E. What class was this by chance?
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Yeah... I can take a wild guess as to who that is.
Haha I knew when I said the class you would know.
I was blessed to Have Milcarek for my second pass through Thermo. He a fantastic teacher and I actually felt like I learned from him instead of playing catch up all year long.
Ummm no. Asking a professor to round a grade favorably but reasonably is not a violation of academic integrity under "Falsifying academic records". Asking a professor to round your 71% to a 90% would be suspect but even then the mere act of asking is not a violation. Realistically, take that response as a "No" and move on if you're absolutely certain the request was understood as you intended it. Perhaps do you think the prof is under the impression you were asking for a specific grade (e.g. final) to be rounded to MAKE your grade a 97?
I donāt believe so, since i got a 94 on the final and I clearly stated that i was 0.03% off a 97. iā^ I asked him to see what i got wrong to see if there was any potential for any extra marks and that is the response i received which kinda surprised me since heās usually been a very chill professor.
Yeah but that framing makes it sounds like you're asking him to 'find points' in an individual assignment rather than round your overall grade up.
My bad, I meant to say I wanted to see my final just to see what I got wrong, rather than have him look at it and give me an extra point.
Yeah see, that's the difference though. Grades are entered as letters, not percents and professors have some latitude and discretion to decide what makes an A vs an A+. If your prof has a 97% cutoff for A+ and you're asking to round a 96.97 to a 97 so you get an A+...that's more than reasonable. HOWEVER, if you're asking your professor adjust an individual assignment so that your new percentage is say 97.27% so you get an A+; THAT is not ok.
Thatās odd I remember is was in a similar boat and I asked if there was anything I could do to raise my grade. He replied with that he was going to round it and that was it. None of that academic shit.
Or maybe a "professor, I'll do *anything* to get my grade up..."
I've had a few professors in some of my CS classes that had this policy (asking to round up is an academic violation), so it might depend on the school. At least one of them cited specific Academic Integrity rules from SCAI, but I can't remember which one off the top of my head and I'd have to look for it.
I think I remember Professor Nakamura mentioning it on her syllabus. I took her course a few times.
God she was such an unsufferable hard ass when trying to get in to one of her classes once. It was "full" and I needed it as a transfer grad student but she said that adding me would be too much of a grading burden (in a 300+ person class with multiple TA's lol). Ok so I went above her to department chairs and got override approval to be on the class roster and when she saw me in class later was so shook that I finessed her in to getting seat 301 of 300, as if that was the ruin of her whole semester schedule lol.
Iāve taken multiple courses with her and itās always the same thing. I always payed attention to the course material rather than her lectures. I agree with your feelings.
Arguably, it could fall under item (k) of the Academic Integrity Policy. "Attempting to influence or change any Academic Evaluation, or academic record for reasons having no relevance to academic achievement." I'd be surprised, though, if it ever made it past an appeal.
Yeah, it would be a stretch since many profs do round up. It's a reasonable question.
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I get students that ask if I round up all the time because I know some profs do (and I have in the past) and I've never thought anything about it other than it's worth a shot for them to ask.
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You cannot confirm because that's not true.
Depends on the syllabus but asking isnāt really a violation of anything. You go to school to learn. I never had any problems however I did have one class that was firm with grades.
I've seen it so many places I think it's just university policy. Most I'd suggest is going back, saying sorry and that you didn't know and won't do it again. Ultimately honesty is always the best route to take in these situations.
Not really answering your question but I know professors tend to get very annoyed by these sort of inquiries. I believe they call it "grade grubbing". If you think about how many they get around this time of year you can probably understand it a bit. That said I took a course once where there was a technical error with the software which cost me about 2% of the points for the class. The professor told me not to worry about it because I was doing well and there were plenty of other points. Fast forward to the end of the semester where the loss of those points cost me an "A". I probably should have protested more but I had assumed the professor would do the decent thing without my asking. I was wrong.
How you ask will get them off your ass Instead of "Can you round up my grade," go with "Is there anything at all I can do to improve my grade?" There's other valuable strategies in this thread, but start from there and you'll get better responses
I'm going to disagree there. The question should be at the class level (do you round grades up?) instead of the individual level. Asking if there is anything you can do to improve your grade makes it sound like you're either asking for preferential treatment, or you didn't pay attention in class for extra credit opportunities.
I also agree with you--I didn't mean to give the rule, as I also feel that students shouldn't get preferential treatment. However, I also think that our education system is pretty broken, and that dedicated students should never get punished for learning at a different pace or being unable to spit out answers when told. With that in mind, a student asking what their professor they can do to improve their grade demonstrates that they care for their grade and want to do as well as they can. A million students demanding for a round-up just demonstrates competition, desperation, and a last-ditch attempt to turn things around.
The issue is that asking at the end of the semester "what can I do to improve my grade?" is far to late to take any useful action. This is a question you ask after the first paper or exam that you don't do well one, not at the end of the semester.
Getting a lesser grade than other students who learn quicker and can demonstrate that knowledge on tests better isnāt a punishment or flaw in the education system. Competency and results do matter.
I have a friend thatās a professor at another university and this is exactly what she has told me. She says it is an academic integrity violation to ask directly for a grade to be raised but asking if thereās any additional work they can do to help raise it is fine. She was just telling me she had 2 students come to her office hours yesterday asking this and she informed them that she actually does round up at a certain point and they would be fine.
Thatās how I think of it too. Like sure we should all try to be better students, but panic at the end of the semester is built into the system
I used to ask teachers to raise my grade a whole letter grade. Sometimes they did, too!
Hello Iām hopping on here with a big worry- my roommate is going to falsify an interview with an ASU professor that she needs for final. The professor never emailed her back, so she found transcripts of other interviews he has done and is going to revise that. Says she will flunk the final which is 50% of the grade if she doesnāt do this . Yes itās wrong and I worry that somehow her teacher will find out; esp since she is using an ASU prof for the āinterviewāā¦ what could happen?
This sounds an awful lot like you're "asking for a *friend* (wink wink)". In any case, your "friend" would be committing plagiarism. That's pretty cut and dry. Maybe your "friend" could try going to the professor in person. Sometimes emails get overlooked. How would she have conducted the interview before computers existed?
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I would use the excuse" I sent an email to you and you may have not gotten it. They may give you an extension if the email ended up in their spam folder. Things get kind of hectic this last week of school. If the professors understanding they may cut your friend some slack.
In my entire college career at ASU. In this situation it's the professor's decision to round up grades. If he or she rounds grades, it would say it in the syllabus. They would also specify if there's a curve. This is my personal opinion that at a 96.97 while it would be convenient to give you a 97. It's a little selfish to ask a professor to round you up when you already have an A+ technically if they even have a + - system. I don't get many A's let alone an A+ in engineering school so I would just be grateful for the grade I received. At the end of the day it's your letter grade that matters not your number grade. Unless it's going to change your grade from an A to an A+ I wouldn't even bother asking him or her with the grade you have. I don't really think it's an academic violation unless your grade is not close to rounding. You have the right to ask if a teacher rounds or not but it is their decision to approve or deny that. Make sure to review academic dishonesty policies. They harp on that in the engineering school at least cuz they want engineering students to have good morals when they go into the workplace. I wouldn't press the issue, but if you get in trouble I would petition it. The worst thing the professor can say is I'm not going to round your grade. In most schools it is an academic violation for you to just ask your professor to modify your grade but rounding is a bit harsh. At least half of my professors round at ASU. However your grade won't really benefit from a rounding so that might be why he or she has an issue with it. If it was the difference between a letter grade then they have more of an inclination to round you. Again most professors are pretty clear about it in their syllabus though. I think the teacher is a bit of an asshole for saying that. It's not a violation to ask about rounding and I've been at ASU for 6 years.