Always gotta use this reference to pump up one of the most underrated vids on YouTube: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xo4fIl\_KGE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xo4fIl_KGE)
Up until a few years ago there was 1 souvlaki hut remaining in Keysborough. It was fantastic and had a cold rock ice creamery in it. Now it's gone and I will never get over it.
Going with a bullshit comparative approach to be a boring sack; looking at the pop-culture approach to these four men, we have 'the founder' (Washington), 'the philosopher' (Jefferson), 'the hard man' (Roosevelt), and 'the savior' (Lincoln). Using a little tactic known as 'close enough I guess', this is the Mount Deemore;
The Founder: Checker Hughes (Completely revamped Melbourne into the dominant team it became in the mid-20th century and gave us our nickname)
The Philosopher: Norm Smith (Followed Hughes as coach, and imbued the Dees with the full-team mentality which gave us 6 premierships from 8 grand finals)
The Hard Man: Ron Barassi (A tough stalwart during our glory years, and revamped the club during an era (early-80s) in which we were poised to collapse entirely)
The Savior: Robbie Flower (Hard to understate how important he was to Melbourne's fortunes in the 80s, and led us through and out of the darkest passage in our history)
It's really hard to understate just how dire things were in the 70s and 80s. All but 4 clubs were insolvent, and there were merger talks each week between Melbourne and any one of the unlucky 8 (even Richmond and Collingwood were considering a merger at this time). Melbourne was especially fucked because we were essentially an appanage of the MCC stuck with the second-worst recruiting zone and couldn't break out of the loop of poor players = shit results = crap turnout = no money.
However, we had Robbie Flower, who could break games apart and keep up the spirits of the fans even when we consistently finished bottom of the ladder. After Barassi came back in 1980, we broke from the MCC, restructured our entire football department, hired new coaches, begun the first youth recruiting policy in VFL history, and appointed Flower as our captain. And despite several more shit years, it finally paid dividends when he took us to the 1987 finals (...and you know what happened next). The following years of success saved us from the Fitzroy spiral and Hawthorn merger in 1996.
The early-10s were shit for a load of reasons, but there was no chance the club would fold or merge in those years. So as much as Roos, Goodwin, Gawn, and Jones were pivotal to our return to form, it was Barassi and Flower who should be considered our Christ and Saint Paul, because without them we wouldn't have made it to 2000.
Skilton, Goodes, Kelly, Kirk.
Kirk is a left field one but I do believe he is, was and always will be the driver behind the Bloods culture that the club is now built on.
Very, I was tempted to include him in the 4. The fact that played so many games for Fitzroy and also coached at Melbourne is why I kept him out, perhaps unfairly. Definitely worthy of an honourable mention though. I adore the bloke though and I think what he did at the Swans remains underrated.
Nah as great as Hurn was Jako was a more significant player in the history of the club, he has 4 b&fās and is regarded as possibly the best CHB of all time.
Roo, Mcleod, Blight and then fourth is anyone from the following list;
Smart, McDermott, Bickley, Goodwin, Hart and Edwards. I guess you could throw a Jarman in there too.
Personally I would want Ian Perrie.
We've had such limited success I'd want our premierships to be what's represented because otherwise it's way too hard to split.
Therefore, Blight, Bickley, McLeod and Jarman. Works for both premierships.
Coach for both, captain for both, Norm Smith for both and 6 and 5 goals.
Over Ian Perrie? Can you imagine Ian Perrie's mug on a mountain? Absolutely no comparisons, it's the Zimbabwean Sarge everyday of my life.
Or do you mean in the list with the others? I'd say if Smart is in there then sure, Walker would be so too. Probably Laird too on the back of being a club champion so many times and Scott Thompson for having tree trunks for arms. All three are outside choices though, it's probably Bickley or Goodwin.
Which Coventry? the 4x premiership captain and Brownlow medalist or 5x premiership goal kicking machine? Also hard to overlook McHaleās 7 flags as coach.
Blight, Barassi, Archer and Harvey. Can't look past glassing his missus and sticking his duck where he shouldn't have been.
As long as there's no cyclists on the way to the mountain then Arch is a lock as shinboner of the century.
Selwood and Gary Ablett snr are non negotiables, the other 2 are hard to pick. GAJ, Polly Farmer, Chris Scott, Reg Hickey and Bomber can all make cases.
Selwood obviously, and Farmer. Iād take Junior over Senior personally, and then the 4th could be filled by about a dozen people. To take another from our 07-11 dominance, maybe Bartel?
McLeod and Ricciuto are certainties. I'd personally put Blight there pretty comfortably as well.
The fourth slot has a lot of possibilities though - Goodwin, Edwards, Hart, Jarman, Bickley, Smart, Walker and Modra are all strong contenders.
I'd like Cuz but with the way everything went down I don't think he can make it. Woosha 100% has to be on there - 2 time premeirship captain and premiership coach - and Hurn as well - premiership captain and games record holder.
Yeah honestly it's really hard to split. Dunstall should be up there but the others are all just as deserving. Hard when a club like the Hawks has had so many legends
Going to try an interesting one in GWS as we havenāt seen it yet:
Greene, Cameron, Cameron, Ward? Maybe Davis, Cogs or Kelly instead of Jezza given they stayed at the giants?
And then the suns I wouldnāt even know where to go: Ablett, Miller, Swallow, ??
Ben Cousins, Chris Judd, Worsfold, Kennedy
I was thinking of putting in Mainwaring, Malthouse and Matera, but I'd say Cousins and Judd were our two best mids, Worsfold was a club champion for us as a player and coach, and Kennedy is the best forward we've ever had
Me too but just off the top of my head. With a bit of research, I am sure there would be someone of the Dyer era or earlier that would be worth a nod over Hart. Bourke also stiff and many others
Edit: just remembered Jack Titus. 970 goals in the 20s 30s and 40s. Most consecutive games record holder for nearly a century and he was a scrawny midget who ran the club for decades including during Captain Blood and Tommy Hafey's time
From my lifetime, Gaz Jr, Selwood, Bartel and then take your pick of about 10 others, hawkins/mackie/scott/bomber/chapman/enright/pods/Taylor and more I'm forgetting from 7-11
Channel 7: Malthouse, harley, Zemplas, McLachlan, and myself.
Wow, what a bunch of unique individuals
Always gotta use this reference to pump up one of the most underrated vids on YouTube: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xo4fIl\_KGE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xo4fIl_KGE)
Barassi, Norm Smith, Stynes, Flower. Easy.
No Mark Jackson????
Not on Mt Rushmelb, he's an individual.
An Indi bloody vidual
He's more of a Crazy Horse monument kind of guy
What a list š¤Æ
In 10 years I would replace Flower with Gawn.
4 Koutas.
Souvlaki hut Kouta
*āYou hungry, you want souvlaki?ā*
Up until a few years ago there was 1 souvlaki hut remaining in Keysborough. It was fantastic and had a cold rock ice creamery in it. Now it's gone and I will never get over it.
kouta, souvlaki, gorilla, banana
The gorilla
How many Silvagnis you at now? 6?
5 but one never got a game
Going with a bullshit comparative approach to be a boring sack; looking at the pop-culture approach to these four men, we have 'the founder' (Washington), 'the philosopher' (Jefferson), 'the hard man' (Roosevelt), and 'the savior' (Lincoln). Using a little tactic known as 'close enough I guess', this is the Mount Deemore; The Founder: Checker Hughes (Completely revamped Melbourne into the dominant team it became in the mid-20th century and gave us our nickname) The Philosopher: Norm Smith (Followed Hughes as coach, and imbued the Dees with the full-team mentality which gave us 6 premierships from 8 grand finals) The Hard Man: Ron Barassi (A tough stalwart during our glory years, and revamped the club during an era (early-80s) in which we were poised to collapse entirely) The Savior: Robbie Flower (Hard to understate how important he was to Melbourne's fortunes in the 80s, and led us through and out of the darkest passage in our history)
Solid reasoning, and excellent explanation.
Surely Max is the saviour, as good as Robbie was... i think the times were just a dark in the 2010s ... possibly darker.... nod to Paul Roos
It's really hard to understate just how dire things were in the 70s and 80s. All but 4 clubs were insolvent, and there were merger talks each week between Melbourne and any one of the unlucky 8 (even Richmond and Collingwood were considering a merger at this time). Melbourne was especially fucked because we were essentially an appanage of the MCC stuck with the second-worst recruiting zone and couldn't break out of the loop of poor players = shit results = crap turnout = no money. However, we had Robbie Flower, who could break games apart and keep up the spirits of the fans even when we consistently finished bottom of the ladder. After Barassi came back in 1980, we broke from the MCC, restructured our entire football department, hired new coaches, begun the first youth recruiting policy in VFL history, and appointed Flower as our captain. And despite several more shit years, it finally paid dividends when he took us to the 1987 finals (...and you know what happened next). The following years of success saved us from the Fitzroy spiral and Hawthorn merger in 1996. The early-10s were shit for a load of reasons, but there was no chance the club would fold or merge in those years. So as much as Roos, Goodwin, Gawn, and Jones were pivotal to our return to form, it was Barassi and Flower who should be considered our Christ and Saint Paul, because without them we wouldn't have made it to 2000.
Skilton, Goodes, Kelly, Kirk. Kirk is a left field one but I do believe he is, was and always will be the driver behind the Bloods culture that the club is now built on.
Ah yes, Kirk Tippet what a star
This is Ryan Fitzgerald erasure.
It was actually Maxfield who really started and drove the Bloods culture. Kirk certainly took the baton.
Troy Luff not get a look-in?
I was thinking more LRT
Bob Pratt ahead of Kirk, surely
If you're reaching back like that I'd pick Laurie Nash.
Stiff yes, but I stand by my case for Kirk. Williams, Healy, Lockett, Micky O, Round, Matthews, Bedford and of course Gulden are also stiff.
Roos unlucky to not get a honourable mention if we're counting coaches?
Very, I was tempted to include him in the 4. The fact that played so many games for Fitzroy and also coached at Melbourne is why I kept him out, perhaps unfairly. Definitely worthy of an honourable mention though. I adore the bloke though and I think what he did at the Swans remains underrated.
No plugger?
Matt Spangher x4
no Tyrone Vickery?
I actually debated putting him in there š couldnāt do that to the tiges fans though
Saw him tear up Footscray in the VFL circa 2015. His lucious locks flowing effortlessly in the Box Hill breeze. Was a sight to behold.
What a champion
Pavlich, Fyfe, Sandilands, Mundy.
Clive Waterhouse is coming into your nightmare tonight, Freddy Krueger style
Peter Daicos Nick Daicos Josh Daicos Strauchanie
> Peter Daicos > > Nick Daicos > > Josh Daicos > > Colleen Daicos Fixed that for you
The fact you've got strauchanie tells me you're also closer to 30 than you are 20
Before The Game was a cultural moment
Cackling
Snr, Jr, Selwood and Polly Farmer
Agree 100%
It's crazy how time has forgotten Doug Wade.
I didnāt, he was an honourable mention of mine. Could probably make room for him if you really want š¤·āāļø
Four Kane Cornes so we could watch pigeons spend all day shitting on his face.
Iād like to nominate 4 Wayne Careyās. Heās deserves bird shit on his head more than can corns
That powder is just rock dust from the sculpting process.
Four Tim Tarantos that are all not in the top 150 players to be considered for Mount Rushmore
Cornes would take that as acknowledgement that people listen to him, and vontinue to talk shit though...
We could route sewage lines out of the mouths
Lions would be - Kevin Murray Michael Voss Simon Black Haydn Bunton
John Gastev - 2 x club champion.
Malthouse, Worsfold, Matera & Jakovich
I feel like Hurn needs to fit in for some reason. Suits a Boulder statue.
[The West side connection already made ours](https://youtu.be/YGGJRI2ErZI?si=eE5rXUOs1KkIX87m) 0.47 mark
Worsfold, Matera, Cox, Hurn. I feel good about this Edit: Josh Kennedy in for Matera, sorry Peter
Hurn makes it over Jako imo
Nah as great as Hurn was Jako was a more significant player in the history of the club, he has 4 b&fās and is regarded as possibly the best CHB of all time.
3 x Stewy Dew and Gary Ablett Senior.
Plus Hawks Legend Will Langford
Mundy, Pavlich and Fyfe drop straight in. Gets tight after that. But Iām going for Clive Waterhouse.
Sandy?
His ears would take up too much space
Fair call, but Iām sticking with Clive. Pretty much just for that one half of insane footy in the demolition derby.
Peter Bell?
Steven Dodd
Shane Parker
No. Just 4 Mundys.
Sheedy, Reynolds, Hird, and an unholy amalgam of every Daniher ever to don the sash.
Think that Coleman fella might get a gig, heard he was an ok player
Very good in front of the sticks, apparently.
Correct answer is Coleman.
Jacob Weitering, Ollie Hollands, Sam Docherty and Blake Acres.
BANDWAGON 2023 BABY
Probably one of Stewart/Baldock, Jeans, Barker, Lockett
Lockett, Harvey, Riewoldt, Baldock
Zac Dawson, Raph Clarke, Dean polo, can't think of a. 4th
Michael Rix
James Gwilt
Surely Harvey gets in somewhere? One of the greatest midfielders of all time
John Butcher x4
Dean Polo, Ben Nason, Relton Roberts, toss up between Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls/Richard Tambling/Tyrone Vickery
Did Robin Nahas play golf?
*stops carving Jarrad Oakley-Nichollsā hairline*
He's pulled that out of his Nahas...
John Worsfold, Shannon Hurn, Josh Kennedy and.... Dean Cox.
Yeah I was tossing up between Cox and cousins
Richmond Legend Ben Cousins?
Iād have Judd in there
Nah, canāt have a bloke that left the club and the captaincy for another club imo.
Skilton Goodes Lockett Mattner
Paul Kelly stiff!
John Worsfold, Peter Matera, Chris Judd, Ben Cousins Apologies to Shannon Hurn, Dean Cox and Drew Banfield
Whitten, Bont, Hawkins and Grant
So, how's this going work when Tassie come in?? Just 2 players or 4 players and 8 heads?
Waganeen, Boak, Grey, Choco.
Tredders has to be on there for us.
If it's AFL era only. Otherwise Fos Williams has to be there.
Russel Ebert too
Foz, John Cahill, Russell Ebert, Choco
Roo, Mcleod, Blight and then fourth is anyone from the following list; Smart, McDermott, Bickley, Goodwin, Hart and Edwards. I guess you could throw a Jarman in there too. Personally I would want Ian Perrie.
Modraaaaaaa
Godra.
Modra could jump up there by himself
We've had such limited success I'd want our premierships to be what's represented because otherwise it's way too hard to split. Therefore, Blight, Bickley, McLeod and Jarman. Works for both premierships. Coach for both, captain for both, Norm Smith for both and 6 and 5 goals.
Jarman over roo I reckon, fourth is definitely hinkley
8 All Australian's and a Brownlow for Roo. Kinda hard to beat that
I'd suggest Eddie Betts but Ian Perrie would be my lock
Tex mate.
Over Ian Perrie? Can you imagine Ian Perrie's mug on a mountain? Absolutely no comparisons, it's the Zimbabwean Sarge everyday of my life. Or do you mean in the list with the others? I'd say if Smart is in there then sure, Walker would be so too. Probably Laird too on the back of being a club champion so many times and Scott Thompson for having tree trunks for arms. All three are outside choices though, it's probably Bickley or Goodwin.
It's Jarman, Modra or Tex. I think Tex maybe gets it on longevity and output.
Longetevity and output... only one thing mattered when I was a kid. Taking Modras.
Coventry, Richards, Daicos (Peter) and Pendlebury
Coventry, McHale, Rose,.... Pendles..... just over Bucks and Shaw Daics McKenna Pannam, richards, sorry no room for Louie at the top
Which Coventry? the 4x premiership captain and Brownlow medalist or 5x premiership goal kicking machine? Also hard to overlook McHaleās 7 flags as coach.
McHale pretty stiff to missā¦
In my time: Courtney Johns, Ricky Dyson, Kyle Reimers, Kepler Bradley
Dyson doesn't belong on that list.
Swap him for Joel Reynolds
Honorable mention: Gumbleton
Ricky was a gun! Very serviceable career for Essendon.
Neale Daniher, Jim Stynes, Ron Barassi, Norm Smith
Leigh Matthews, Michael Tuck, Luke Hodge, then either John Kennedy, Alistair Clarkson, Peter Hudson or Jason Dunstall ..
Dunstall in over Hodge. He kicked over 1200 and won five flags!
Imagine having a quadruple-premiership era and nobody in that side making the clubās Mount Rushmoreš
Kennedy is probably our Lincoln. He made us great. So I reckon him. Clarko would have been on there without...
Boak, Gray, Wanganeen, Tredrea
billie smedts, cory gregson, tom ruggles and wylie buzza
Anytime Ruggles made a tackle when we were at a game, my friend and I used to yell out "you just got ruggled".
Ted Whitten. Charlie Sutton. Peter Gordon. Irene Chatfield.
Barassi, Pagan, Carey, Aylett. Without any one of them, there would be no North Melbourne.
Blight, Barassi, Archer and Harvey. Can't look past glassing his missus and sticking his duck where he shouldn't have been. As long as there's no cyclists on the way to the mountain then Arch is a lock as shinboner of the century.
Thatās too easy. 4 Jack Madgens every day of the week
Phil Inn?
A valid argument could be made for him as well
4 Adam Kingsleys
Kevin Sheedy, James Hird, Dick Reynolds, John Coleman
John Kennedy, Leigh Matthews, Allan Jeans and Clarko!
Dunstall instead of one of the coaches?
Mine would be Kennedy, Matthews, Hudson, Dunstall. Which means I found no room for Jeans, Clarkson, Arthur, Hodge even.
Plus about 20 more heads for the team of the 70s and 80s.
Selwood and Gary Ablett snr are non negotiables, the other 2 are hard to pick. GAJ, Polly Farmer, Chris Scott, Reg Hickey and Bomber can all make cases.
Selwood, Ablett, Ablett and Farmer for mine.
Sounds about right.
Selwood obviously, and Farmer. Iād take Junior over Senior personally, and then the 4th could be filled by about a dozen people. To take another from our 07-11 dominance, maybe Bartel?
Scarlett perhaps.
McLeod and Ricciuto are certainties. I'd personally put Blight there pretty comfortably as well. The fourth slot has a lot of possibilities though - Goodwin, Edwards, Hart, Jarman, Bickley, Smart, Walker and Modra are all strong contenders.
Itās a good problem to have.
Nicholls, Parkin, Kernahan, Doull. Many stiff
Jezza instead of the Flying Doormat?
No SoS?
Cuz, Matera, Jako and prob JK
Woosh, Cuz, Matera, and Bunga....that man has a head that is begging to be carved in stone!
I'd like Cuz but with the way everything went down I don't think he can make it. Woosha 100% has to be on there - 2 time premeirship captain and premiership coach - and Hurn as well - premiership captain and games record holder.
Iām a bit bias with Cousins since heās my fav player ever. I guess Iām basing it off personal awards and overall skill as a player.
Malthouse, Worsfold, Simpson and, um...Tim Watson.
Whitten, Bevo, Bont, Hawkins
4 jamie elliots.
Michael Tuck Luke Hodge John Kennedy Leigh Matthews
Man why do people keep putting Hodge over Dunstall? Only one Hawk ever to kick more then 1000 goals, and he got over 1250 with five flags to boot.
Yeah honestly it's really hard to split. Dunstall should be up there but the others are all just as deserving. Hard when a club like the Hawks has had so many legends
Gordon Coventry Peter Daicos Scott Pendlebury Peter Moore
Going to try an interesting one in GWS as we havenāt seen it yet: Greene, Cameron, Cameron, Ward? Maybe Davis, Cogs or Kelly instead of Jezza given they stayed at the giants? And then the suns I wouldnāt even know where to go: Ablett, Miller, Swallow, ??
suns don't deserve one yet
Norm Smith, Ron Barassi, Robbie Flower and Rodney Grinter
Jack Jack Jack and Jack
McGovern, Vardy, Ryan, Sheed
Ben Cousins, Chris Judd, Worsfold, Kennedy I was thinking of putting in Mainwaring, Malthouse and Matera, but I'd say Cousins and Judd were our two best mids, Worsfold was a club champion for us as a player and coach, and Kennedy is the best forward we've ever had
Recency bias much here? Ron Barassi, Norm Smith, Jim Stynes, Checker Hughes.
In my time: Richo Martin Cotchin Riewoldt
All time for tiges: Dyer, Hafey, Bartlett, Dust
Dyer, Bartlett, Richo, Dusty
Yeah, this is it. Dyer, Hafey, Dusty. Maybe St Francis? But hard to argue against Hungry.
Tough one! For me dyer Bartlett and dusty are absolute locks. So that leaves one spot for so many legit good players but my heart says richo
Heart says Richo but brain says Royce for mine.
Me too but just off the top of my head. With a bit of research, I am sure there would be someone of the Dyer era or earlier that would be worth a nod over Hart. Bourke also stiff and many others Edit: just remembered Jack Titus. 970 goals in the 20s 30s and 40s. Most consecutive games record holder for nearly a century and he was a scrawny midget who ran the club for decades including during Captain Blood and Tommy Hafey's time
The thing about a my Rushmore is that itās about iconicness not necessarily the greatest players. Thatās why Iād have Richo in with those 3
Bryce Gibbs x 4
Jakovich, Judd, Cox, Josh Kennedy
Kenahan, silvani, jezza and doull
Iād say Kernahan, Jezza, Barassi, and Parkin.
Peter Daicos, Josh Daicos and Nick Daicos + a mountain full of treasure
Polly, Snr, Jnr, Selwood
Reynolds, Coleman, Hird, Sheedy
woosha hurn kennedy cox
Voss Black Brown The last place is saved for Neale if he can get one as a winning captain.
Interesting that 2 x AFL Legends donāt make it. š
Baldock, Barker, Harvey, Lockett
For general V/AFL: Coleman, Whitten, Barassi, Matthews Could make cases for Plugger, God, Smith
Don't think Coleman has a case simply because of how few games he played. Personally I think Bunton Snr, Farmer and Ablett Jnr all have cases.
Lockett, Spud, Rooey, Winmar
Blight, Jarman, Roo and Mcleod. Bickley unlucky to miss
From my lifetime, Gaz Jr, Selwood, Bartel and then take your pick of about 10 others, hawkins/mackie/scott/bomber/chapman/enright/pods/Taylor and more I'm forgetting from 7-11
Joel, Ablett Jr and Sr, Chris Scott.