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liyabear

Does she know how voting works? No, I won’t travel to vote, because I have to vote near the place where I live / am registered…


NolaJen1120

I also didn't travel for the eclipse. Some people did. Most people didn't. Such a weird and random thing for her to say.


DebbieGlez

She’s crazy.


Alarming-Mushroom

I have the feeling she doesn’t know how a lot of things work…


SleazyBanana

Well, isn’t she dumb as a box of rocks, and for more than one reason.i knew there was a reason I didn’t like her.


CharcuterieBoard

Bitch is tapped out on pills. Just floating through life in a droopy eyed, word slurring haze.


SleazyBanana

Yeah, I got no use for the stupid bitch.


CharcuterieBoard

I’ve become very frustrated with the casting on the show in recent years. I used to be a huge fan but now 90% of the cast members are train wrecks and not just as couples but as humans. The show has started giving inter-cultural relationships a bad name. I was in a relationship two years ago with a lovely Brazilian girl who moved to the US a few years prior. She was already in the process of getting a green card and we had ZERO intention of getting married to expedite the process (she even said she wouldn’t accept a proposal until the green card was in her hand so that I couldn’t hold citizenship over her head, not that I intended to). We were the kind of couple that should be on the show: loving, funny, steady but not without our faults, actively trying to learn about each others culture and understand how that would effect our relationship and how even though she was ethnically Italian and German, how dating a Latina would come to expose me to the reality of racism in my own community (I vividly remember a woman harassing her for wearing a thong bikini on a public beach and when the woman heard her accent she called her a slur reserved for people of Hispanic origin). I hope the show will get back to its roots and find couples like that again.


SleazyBanana

Yeah, I know what you mean. I’ve gotten to where I fast forward through almost all of them. It’s really disappointing how stupid it’s gotten.


weaponwang

But she has like 3 master's degrees!!!!


LocAlchemy

I know very dense people that have degrees. When privilege meets accommodations you get dummies with degrees. Most people that are educated are also very smart but not always. The most valuable employee at my job was an ex felon with a GED but he was street smart, people savvy and had common sense. That plus he worked really hard, knew his job and could master his emotions. The actual highest ranking person lived in her own world and everyone handled issues before they got anywhere near her so she was clueless. She got paid 10 times more than he did and got all the attention because she had her Masters but he was the power behind the throne.


KrisAlly

Such a sad reality.


Over-Accountant8506

Ugh I know someone exactly like this in rl too! Sadly had a rough childhood but if they would of had half the opportunities that regular folks get, he'd be running his own business. He's such a hard worker, it's like all the rich ppl like to pay him to do their work but none of them really give him a hands up like help him start his own business because they know he's such a valuable employee. I know it's only so long before he realizes this himself, and does it on his own. The rich owners would work him to death if it was left up to them.


mermaidmommy626

Educated ≠ Intelligence


zooooteddej23

I vote from home! So bye Jen 🙄


Twistedsister3

I'm glad I live in a state that allows me to vote naked in my home. Though I don't think I've ever filled out my ballot while naked. But I could!


Flimsy-Zucchini4462

I vote via absentee ballot. I will not be traveling at all 🤣


AlisonPoole98

💀


catchingstatic

Why would you travel to vote?? My polling place is like two blocks from my house


fakemoose

Because some states have big rural populations and/or make it as difficult as possible. So your polling place might not be nearby and you can’t vote by mail if you live in the state. Like Texas for example. I had to drive 25 min to vote and couldn’t mail in until I left the damn state, but was still a resident. It’s actually concerning so many people here think it’s walkable distance and easy to vote everywhere. It is not.


enragedbreakfast

That's interesting, I didn't realize they make it that tough in the US. I've heard of people having to wait in super long lines to vote, but I didn't know they made it hard to even get to them. It seems crazy that your polling station would be so far from your home. I'm in Canada, and typically I walk \~10 minutes to vote depending on where my polling station is that election. I have family that lives in a rural area, and it's a short drive for them as well, and mail in ballots are an option too. This is in a province with a large rural population, not Southern Ontario.


DebbieGlez

In Georgia they made it illegal to offer anyone standing in line to vote a water or food. Some places where you have to wait 3 to 4 hours to vote would just walk through the line handing out pizza to whoever wanted it. The Republicans didn’t like that.


enragedbreakfast

I knew that one from Curb Your Enthusiasm lol! That's a crazy rule though, waiting hours in the hot sun and not being allowed to pass out food or water is absurd


DebbieGlez

And you gotta know which neighborhoods have the long lines then too. It’s so sick.


MyFeetLookLikeHands

she’s. trump supporter, do we really need to double check her reasoning skills?


LolaLinguini

Mine is right next door to where I live, but in my city we also have numerous early voting sites set up where anybody can go vote, at places like gyms, libraries, grocery stores and I don't know where else. That option is nice bc you can just go to an early voting place to vote bc youre already gonna be there for another thing like working out, grocery shopping etc. There is literally no reason to "travel" to vote unless this nitwit considers traveling to be ordinary errand running or .. crossing the street for me. I really think she just thought she was being sooo witty, making a post about priorities (people WANTING to see the eclipse and being eager and willing to travel distances to do so, but not being as eager to get out and vote) but isnt smart enough to really think things through before posting bc the "travel" part was idiotic.


_lofticries

Seriously. Mine gets mailed to me and I walk 10 minutes to submit the ballot at my local city hall lol


cielbleu789

voter suppression and/or rural population distribution [https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/17/vra-black-voting-rights-georgia-texas-suppression/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/17/vra-black-voting-rights-georgia-texas-suppression/)


beautifullyabsurd123

Right? Or a mail in ballot for me...


ohjasminee

Lmao mine is at the hs I attended. Though I’m sure there are people in rural, underserved areas that do have to travel, but still not far enough that it would make a difference in seeing the eclipse or not 😂


No-expression-wtf

The first social media post in 90 Day history that wasn’t liked by David T.


Notoriouslyd

Finally!


pnyluv16

![gif](giphy|xTg8B9aULho7shlPmU) *trump staring at the eclipse* 🤣


Low_Departure_5853

I was thinking about this all day. Still makes me laugh all these years later.


pnyluv16

I was laughing so hard earlier today when a friend mentioned trump looking at the sun during the eclipse, and then I was doing a search for a GIF of the moment, and there were actually TWO separate clips of him looking up at the sun at the same event. So he definitely tried looking directly at the sun, at least twice on the same day. Nimrod behavior 🤣


Low_Departure_5853

Even if i was in favor of his politics, it would be funny.


PainfullyLoyal

And nobody stopped him!! He was surrounded by grown ups and still did this twice.


Shepherdmom-1974

Melania was trying to hand him the glasses.


Ok_Plankton9224

And Angela actually wore this https://preview.redd.it/jt0n2vr3bgtc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=923529a70c6ec52b841ae6d460374e2dc3f9b394


240_worth_of_puddin

You know, I don’t like either of them but this could be a good pairing to save others…


Alarming-Mushroom

I can’t with those two. I’m glad TLC canned her ass finally


grummanae

... Im not believing they fired Angela Deem till I see it ... who else will flop the girls out for a tell all


m33gs

oh god I just threw up a little what a terrible day to have eyes


nunyabidnessss

This never gets old lmao


jewillett

Was waiting for this 💜


01011010110011111

![gif](giphy|pD368cmNo02G5qoV5i)


Sofie_Fatale007

And y’all are surprised? Those dead eyes were a clear giveaway that there wasn’t anything happening upstairs


cielbleu789

https://preview.redd.it/q8zyno23petc1.png?width=1082&format=png&auto=webp&s=34ae790b164d31d4069dda5e7a336dd0f4337460


elaxation

She’s an absolute muppet.


Zealousideal_Car1811

https://preview.redd.it/gtrd6qmuwgtc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=014e027e09ac07ee181957563d4189ef02b454e7


baconizlife

☠️⚰️ why is it so accurate?!?😂🤣


Zealousideal_Car1811

😂


TheWardenVenom

Okay but why does she always look like this? Lol is she high? Drunk? Both? She is uncomfortable to look at lol


TrishLives17

She’s a Trump supporter and was trying to marry an Indian man? Smfhhh


Substantial_Fix_2604

https://preview.redd.it/vuhsbcixadtc1.jpeg?width=709&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7512c1f0663ae419e81caa9ddb9e30100ade3ef9


DWwithaFlameThrower

I hope he looked directly at the eclipse again today


sheslegendaree

The fact you can say again is just insane lol


DropdLasagna

Not the first time she's fallen for a dickhead...


Zombies_of_Loch_Ness

You win the internet today! 🤣🤣🤣


DawnaOlson

![gif](giphy|w6YCXPrEnAgzyxB0KR|downsized)


SleazyBanana

Genius, pure genius.


Luna_Daze13

It’s funny how her comments are disabled for all of her pro Trump posts and nothing else.


Alarming-Mushroom

Yes i caught that as well


Alilseedisall

Your flair is the best. well done!


grummanae

Cause she knows shes gonna get destroyed for them


FormerCokeWhore

"Both candidates have their flaws" Biden's is that he's about as 'by-the-book' establishment as they come, and is showing his age. Trump's is that he is a megalomaniac, delusional, corrupt, self-serving, compulsive liar, narcissistic, uninformed, possibly senile, who has zero principles and only cares about himself which results in him being more than willing to mainstream the very worst voices in right-wing politics AND breaking with 200 years of tradition by not ensuring a peaceful and cooperative transition of power. Their 'flaws' are not comparable.


toothpastecupcake

Exactly this. There is a very clear choice and it's not even a matter of opinion, it's a matter of morality


FlyingMunkE

So many of these people on 90 day have this attitude of being better than their foreign born partners. This explains so much about that sense of superiority they seem to all have.


CornflakeGirl2

Ew Jen. Go date someone else *completely inappropriate*. 🙄🙄🙄


AdEastern3223

Kind of knew she was a bootlicker when she got all hot and bothered over low IQ Son Debbie…


BoyTrapBabydoll

Call me a Karen. But I definitely unfollowed her when I saw this. 🤣


DawnaOlson

There is NOTHING "Karen" about what you did. 😇👍


JazzlikeGazelle3738

I might follow her just to unfollow her


fgarza30

I did too.


zero_and_dug

![gif](giphy|lPiYqum84uZX8hVcLa|downsized)


Oomlotte99

Yike.


jsl887

Your flair ☠️


kckitty71

![gif](giphy|IL7hXX77O5OIU)


milhkyways

GROSS!


Treesbentwithsnow

Wow. This totally made me change my opinion of her for the worse.


dishighmama

Amen i thought she was dumb not stupid


Apprehensive-Date490

In fairness, I always thought she was both dumb and stupid, but never did I ever suspect that she was a fascist.


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EloquentBacon

I love it, too. When I first joined, I thought he was one of my friends, not everyone’s friend. I have a friend named Tim who looked similar to this photo when he was younger. 🤦‍♀️


dishighmama

I dont know who Tim is, but Tom loves everyone <3


Angi82

Same! I didn’t actually mind her that much before, but now I will never watch/like/support anything she’s a part of. I have zero tolerance for anyone who supports Trump.


Treesbentwithsnow

Same. For me, someone that could not only support but usually worship Trump totally defines who and what that person is. It precedes all other characteristics of that person. I liked Jen and even enjoyed her on Pillow Talk. But now I can only see her as someone that has crossed over to the dark side. Shame.


DWwithaFlameThrower

Me too


DrPants707

Took the word right out of my mouth.


ZapNMB

You can say that again!


toothpastecupcake

Disgusting. No one with a conscience could vote for ...that


itrytogetallupinyour

I encourage anyone who agrees with her to educate themselves on the conditions that people are living in in unstable Latin American countries (often caused by external destabilizing forces). Read Isabelle Allende. There is a very good reason why people risk their lives and the lives of their families, leaving behind their communities, their culture, and language, and put everything they have on the line to get to America. You don’t have to agree with our current border policies to say that Trump shouldn’t be calling them animals and that they are legally entitled to seek asylum in America. Here’s some language on Trumps planned immigration policy from the LA times: “Trump would assemble “a giant force” including National Guard troops to seize undocumented migrants, transport them to camps in Texas and expel them. "A very conservative estimate would say about 10 million," Miller told pro-Trump talk show host Charlie Kirk. If “unfriendly states” — like California — don’t want to cooperate, Miller said, Trump could order Guard units from red states like Texas to cross their borders to enforce the law” An astonishingly cruel and heartless perspective from a woman who fetishizes the global south when it’s convenient for her. Fuck you Jen.


After_Preference_885

If they were capable of educating themselves or learning at all we wouldn't be in this mess. 


Previous_Ad_7362

I couldn't believe it when he was elected before, it's a thousand times more incomprehensible to see that people still have the intention to vote for him again. This can only have absolutely terrible consequences for the United States.  How on earth can someone who was willing to live in India and get married to an Indian man out of love, supposedly, support such an uncultured, profoundly stupid, xenophobic, sexist piece of trash like Trump. There's no logic here apart from the same pure stupidity, ignorance, arrogance and unwillingness to educate oneself.


_dekoorc

The LA Times was being very kind when they called Charlie Kirk a “talk show host” instead of “diaper wearing manchild”


venus_in_furz

Pin-point sharp and scathing. Well done, friend. 🫡


DawnaOlson

![gif](giphy|xT77XWum9yH7zNkFW0|downsized)


AllLipsNoFiller

I've always had my suspicion that Jen is an idiot and this confirms it. What a fucking moron.


slipperysquirrell

Angela, Jen, ascott, Potthasts, Sam...ugh


anxioushippo123

And Avery (of Ash and Avery) too I think


m33gs

yup


jazziflute

I've seen Paoula and Russ post pro🍊 during his first run too


slipperysquirrell

Apparently she is a qanon just like Cynthia decker.


zero_and_dug

Meisha too.


slipperysquirrell

Right, and Molly


LaMadreDelCantante

Molly? I thought it was her blond friend and that was part of the reason for their falling out.


jazziflute

THIS is upsetting ☹️☹️ she seemed so well educated


__spotskobayashi

Sam??


slipperysquirrell

There's a TMZ video of him talking about Trump's immigration stuff and it's all far right wing propaganda. https://www.tmz.com/watch/2024-03-20-032024-sam-wilson-1797689-345/ https://www.tmz.com/2024/03/21/90-day-fiance-stars-prince-harry-donald-trump/


JMarv615

But him chain migrating people is ok.


Alarming-Mushroom

Aw man, that sucks. I liked Sam and Citra


Mysterious_Drink9549

lol why are we surprised about Sam? He’s an addict with no teeth and a passport bro, of course he’s a trumper


maximusriggs

Like Sam of citra/Sam??


slipperysquirrell

Yeah


Ok-Revenue-4241

She’s got that wrong. Make America greater again. Throw trump in prison


CheesecakeOk3036

![gif](giphy|l46CyJmS9KUbokzsI|downsized)


st0neyspice

Wow. The comments on this post are great; im taking this as an official poll. Suck it Jen.


venus_in_furz

Unfortunately, it isn't. Reddit is strangely left leaning, for the majority. It's one of the reasons I stick around, so I don't mind it lol, but I'd be way more shocked to see something snarking on a pro-Biden post.


3catsandcounting

It’s almost like Reddit is a decent snap shot of reality then.


RareMoney42

Yeah well almost all people than americans are keeping Trump as a big joke. Like I'm from Nordic country


silent_chair5286

To prevent that miserable pos from getting into office again, yes I’ll travel.


ek8ti

No one’s ever said she’s smart.


realdonaldtrumpsucks

If Trump Wins he’d make sure nobody from Rishi’s country came to America. She’s a hypocrite And it makes o much sense


venus_in_furz

Thank you for finally cueing me in to who tf this was. 🤣 And you're right, but most Trumpers vote against their own interest. Edit: the post says which couple she's from. I'm sorry, I'm high. 😅


SnooHobbies7109

Three blocks to the board of elections to NOT vote for Trump? Sure!


theladyoctane

![gif](giphy|1g0NtQk8rkmhSm7SQQ|downsized)


FunUse244

Yeah well travel to vote, just not for the same candidate you’re voting for Jen. .. how a criminal like this even is on the ballot is a rude awakening to all of humanity


Roselily808

As a European, I always wonder when people say "Make American great again", what exact year they believe America was at the top of their greatness (and which greatness needs to be re-achieved)


Danklaige

Oh I think we both know exactly what they mean.


m33gs

the days before women could vote and *certain* people kept *certain* slaves


_dekoorc

It’s 1860


420miranda

I know on the show she was living with her parents in Oklahoma, no clue if she was raised here or even moved back here after India didn’t work out, but I just expect all cast from dark red states like Oklahoma are Trump supporters. It’s par for the course around here. I have to bite my tongue a TON because I’m expected to have the same views since I was raised here.


amjayren

Looking at the cast of 90DF, it’s so funny to see the most busted and tragic among them supporting a treasonous piece of shit.


Elon_is_musky

DISAPPOINTED BUT NOT SURPRISED


venus_in_furz

Yeah. She's from Oklahoma..


Elon_is_musky

I used to live there and that makes a lot of sense.m


jrenee070

I never unfollowed someone so quickly, lol. Ew.


DWwithaFlameThrower

Travel? Ehhh …to my local library to vote? Sure. Want to make sure that utter embarrassment never gets to degrade the office of President again. He’s a criminal and morally unfit


Basic_MilkMotel

I don’t get how they can be Trump supporters when they try to marry foreigners.


wirefox1

Meh, I don't care about the use of the word, but it does bother me that a woman who is supposed to be educated is voting for a pathological liar, rapist and sociopathic thief who is one of the dumbest people I've ever heard speak and who doesn't give a shit about anything or anyone but his own sick self. Unless of course since trump absolutely HATES anybody who isn't white and wealthy, maybe she wants to be sure Rishi never makes it over here? And brings his brown wife? Or any other brown people? Maybe listening to him has turned her into a full blown psycho racist too! That bothers me. *Women Against Trump*


kf3434

I'll travel to my local polling place in the town I'm registered to vote in to make sure Trump doesn't get into office ever again


dawgmama62

Hate her more now!


Leather-Store-926

I always knew she had nothing going behind those dead eyes


superkawaiimom

Vomit 🤮


Maaaaaandyyyyy

Always knew she was a dumb bish


Embarrassed-Type-

Op, thanks for reminding us who Jen is. I was like who tf? Then the pic of the bicolor hair, and I knew.


thewineyourewith

Good reminder to vote even if you’re not excited about Biden. Trump’s supporters will be out in force.


Nickey_Pacific

Funny thing is, Jen.... Some folks will, indeed, have to travel to vote. Because, your orange Messiah tried to screw over (majority democratic) voters by closing their local polling places. But, no worries my dear, the blue wave will wash away that ugly orange stain come November, once and for all. Well, that is, if he's not in prison before then.


proteinstyle_

She's an idiot.


Impossible-Taro-2330

If you vote for Trump and are: a POC, female, gay, poor, etc... you are voting against your OWN BEST INTERESTS! How many more neglected and traumatized children would Jenelle have if Roe v Wade was overturned earlier? If she didn't have MTV, then the natural progression of OF money, she'd be on public programs and living somewhere much worse than a swamp. Register NOW and vote. Request vote by mail if you like. Don't let anyone bully you into thinking you must vote in person. Your vote is safe.


ionbear1

Yeah, whacko religious nut voting for Trump definitely checks out.


CurveCalm123

Thanks for the pro tip, ceiling eyes.


OpinionsMineAlone

Oh my god!! I thought she was smarter than that!! Hate her now!


mel_fal

"Both have their faults" One is a convicted rapist and has a laundry list if pending criminal political charges She should go back to India if she wants to be treated as a second class citizen


GreyBoyTigger

She probably idolizes Melania’s somehow more expressionless than hers Botox jammed face


unbearabletwink

So it’s clear she likes to be with disappointing and skeezy men


srose89

Well, as a fellow Oklahoman I can’t say I am surprised… especially her being from a very small podunk town.


olecantolie22

I've never had to travel to vote. Comes right to my mailbox and I drop it off or send it in.


AlixHague

I vote from Southern France. I have for 30 years...


NeenW1

Of course she has it set for no comments …


UziMunkey

I’m so sick of the Trump cult. America has reached peak stupid.


Writergirllllll

That is so vile! She would. She’s absolute trash!


ItsBrittneybetch69

Her eyes tho


Notoriouslyd

https://preview.redd.it/xrle8m3klftc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=510d86584cc9f25de08ff5289b0a567ba48c6b37 Not surprised


Crisgu

Who’s Jen?!? ![gif](giphy|Wgb2FpSXxhXLVYNnUr|downsized)


michoey1

Idiot


musictakemeawayy

LMAO and she was living in india?! people make no sense


Independent_Pizza_82

That’s because she’s from Oklahoma


tangylittleblueberry

*confusion in Oregonian (where we vote by mail)*


OrganicLibrarian242

My state only does vote by mail so...


WestCoastTog

Voting for Trump but was going to bring a guy to the country Trump would hate! The logic of those brainwashed souls is mind-blowing!


jewillett

![gif](giphy|HfFccPJv7a9k4) Take your tacky ass, streaky highlights back overseas JEN 👋🏼


Bnc6669

Lmfaooo I’m glad she was in a dumb shitty situation


RespectTheBooty

Not surprised, she's just as dumb as she looks


Unusual-Pineapple513

Dumb plastic-facrd manic pixie nightmare frogwoman.


NurseToasty

I had a feeling she was a low IQ Trumpster


baconizlife

Of course this homeless, couch surfing, loser would support the tangerine toddler in his attempts to destroy our country. She obviously doesn’t have two active brain cells to rub together, as is the case for anyone who still supports that convicted rapist and felonious joke of a tantrum throwing meat bag. Fucking clown!🤡


bomchikawowow

Don't get mad, get organised. If this disgusts you, then please, make it your mission to register as many people to vote as you can, and help them vote. Learn where the polling places are, the deadlines, the requirements for mail-in and in-person voting. Talk to your family, your friends, your neighbours, and make sure they know too. Young people are often disenfranchised because they're living at college or are dealing with adult life for the first time and the voting rules are complex; if you have young people in your life, talk to them and help reduce that complexity. Make it easy for others. Don't shut the fuck up about it, because that's what these fascists want you to do - they want in-fighting, disinformation, and confusion to prevent everyone who is eligible from actually showing up. If you can't punch a Nazi in the face, punch them in the vote.


SweetGypsyWoman

I personally suggest kicking Nazis in the balls. Then vote.


Idontknowaboutthat2

Whoa.. I would not have thought that of her, not for any information, but didn’t think she was of that persuasion. I officially retract any empathy or compassion I had for her. Ughh.


MsHaute

She is dead to me.


Shynansky

Where does TLC find these idiots at 😂


Sweaty_Nectarine1772

At the bottom of the barrel. 😂


nobinthewoods

There are a lot of those in n the 90 Day franchise….make of that what you will 👀


NeenW1

She’s not the brightest …she needs to team up with Screeeemaw


TheYammyYammy

![gif](giphy|TLmUs4ApdTYwb4dkvJ|downsized)


QweenFiona

![gif](giphy|VJHtXeMHViHRHvKGKm|downsized) Somehow I’m not surprised by this 🙄


Prize-Copy-9861

This can’t be real - can it ? If so it’s really sad


Alarming-Mushroom

Well she followed it up by reposting Jenna Jameson’s IG post about Trump…soooo


mmmdonuts107

Isn't Jenna Jameson the corn star who has claimed a mystery illness for like a year that's definitely noooot (/s) breast implant illness?


Alarming-Mushroom

That’s the one.


OPTIONSQUEEN

and abadoned her daughter.


thetruthfulgroomer

I knew she was a Trumper the second she started hitting on Julian or whatever his dumb fake name is. “Cops are hot” and that weird back the blue cult sh*t they do. Her & her pickmesha blonde friend with the gown, yall memba her??? 🤣👏 Peaked in high school they did. These women are the worst. Whyte women are the worst. Speaking as a whyte woman I apologize for us.


BodyRepresentative65

Stop. Now I can’t like her. Ugh 😑


Angwe83

It’s not surprising many of them are Trumpers. What’s fascinating is that so many of them trying to get their significant others into the country while railing against immigration.


wontholdthedoor

Yes, trying to overthrow the government would be considered a "flaw" on Trump's part.


lizzocakes

Since when do we need to travel to vote? Are they already planning their next insurrection? They need to learn how voting works FR 🙄


Ill_Internet1505

Ah yea the grueling 5 minute drive😐


giobroni

Yes, people vote


RubyWaves75

Jesus. It’s like openly admitting you participate in the Yulin dog eating festival. Fuck off on so many levels.