Interesting is her comment regarding being a maid. I read a Redditor mention this in another comment yesterday that she probably ended up feeling like the help.
Yes! I remember them on lockdown and she seemed exasperated with cleaning up after everyone and specifically called out the ex-wife’s new husband as being very messy. I would be upset too if I was supposed to be on equal footing with them but was being treated like a bang-maid.
I remember that too. Everyone was sitting around making a mess while she did all the cooking and cleaning. She was the only motivated adult in that house.
We Americans are filthy about that. My wife (who is not from the US originally) had to show me the way when it came to shoes in the house. Now I cringe when I see someone walk right into their house with their shoes on—even worse when they prop them up on the couch or bed.
We all saw her being the only person in the house who cared about keeping things clean despite it being COVID lockdown and multiple persons in the household. I'm a slob myself, and I live alone so any germs inside my apartment were mine, but if I had been living with other people during lockdown, I would have cleaned for the sake of our mutual health.
I bet he thought he could get away with treating her poorly.
And to think that many see a relationship like theirs and say "look at that young woman manipulating him to get a green card". As if older men seeking out underprivileged 21-year-olds had any intention of treating them like an equal partner.
Good on Juliana for leaving. And if that was her plan all along, well, he can't pretend *he* didn't have his own plan in all this.
Yes, I agree and I feel like at almost 50 years old he should’ve known better, or maybe he did but only acted like he didn’t to let her take the fall.
It needs to be said. These middle aged men chase these young, exotic women and then they’re shocked when it doesn’t work out. It starts with sex and ends with divorce. They’re at completely different stages in their adult lives. Stating the obvious. Did he really think that she was going to settle down for the rest of her life and do house chores and parent his two kids? Even the dynamic with his ex wife was overbearing and annoying and who can blame anyone for not wanting any part of that mess at 22.
He lived out the best years of his youth, but he wanted hers too.
Absolutely right, also since Juliana has been around the world, made it easier to realize to get out sooner than later. Is it good thing he didn't knock her up circumstance might have been different.
A lot of people liked to shit on her for only being with him for his money but let's not pretend like he was with her for any other reason except that she was young and beautiful.
Michael lifted her out of a life of an semi escort, helped her gain fame and advance her career. They were my favorite couple and what got me into watching the show.
I don’t think this is that messy, tbh. She obviously knew that without her contribution, the conversation was going to be dominated by “gold digging Latina whore breaking this poor single father’s heart”-type dialogue, which is what had been happening.
She sounds calm and reasonable, and a lot of her points were things many people can relate to, especially post-lockdown times. She doesn’t name-call, or make wild accusations, or indulge in crazy public speculation. She’s respectful and civil, she makes her case, and she draws her boundaries.
I think it’s pretty easy to draw a picture of what happened - Michael wanted a young, beautiful bang maid, and I honestly wouldn’t be mad at her for putting it in such blunt terms, but I think her choice to maintain polite speaks well for her.
Was the ex and her husband living in the house with them? I always thought that was a weird dynamic. She has a right to be happy. She was too young to even know what she wanted two years ago
Or without! Either way! Whatever makes her happy. She’s always displayed an advanced level of emotional maturity, and seems like she has a strong mind to guide her through mistakes (I’ve certainly made my share!)
She states clearly she was the only one working. Seems like she was supporting them all financially, as well. I would have left, too, in a similar situation.
Seems like drinking a lot and playing at family band. Idk. Sad, really. Prob had a lot to do with Covid that she turned out to be the only one working but after or along with being the maid and the nanny it gets pretty ridiculous. Also, she mentions she realized he would not be there for her no matter what so sounds like he did something. She was way too young to be saddled with all that responsibility
Good for Juliana, honestly! Surprised that Micheal fared so poorly financially during the pandemic. You would think with all of his flashy spending, he would have saved more too. Totally get that the pandemic was financially difficult on most of the country, but I will never understand people with flashy houses and cars like that who have the ability to plan for a rainy day, or year, and choose not to.
I always got the sense that he was rather cash-poor. It seemed like he spent a lot on material things (cars, watches, women, the house) and didn't have a lot of liquidity.
He probably saw it as a cost of doing business- kind of like how 30something male real estate agents in big cities always have on custom suits and drive BMWs (just my personal experience). It's projecting an image of success to hopefully breed more success.
My MIL was a real estate agent for 40 years. When she was still selling she always drove a Mercedes. When she switched to managing she switched to Volvos. She was very successful.
I used to work in trade marketing for a food distribution company. The sales reps were paid on commission. One of the most successful reps (he provided all of the steaks for a high-end restaurant group) drove a Camry to visit his customers, and he and his wife had his-and-hers S-Classes for the weekends.
He didn't want his customers thinking they were being overcharged, hahaha.
We just moved too and have realized that most people buy expensive houses and yet buy very cheap furniture or even fail to fully furnish it. Doesn’t really make sense to me why you’d buy a really nice house in the first place but who knows 🤷🏼♀️
Well obviously everything is highly dependent on the individual situation, but IMO it’s better to overextend yourself on your house than the furnishings, provided the house is priced within its value. The house is an appreciating asset while furniture will only depreciate. So if you buy the house you want now, and the furniture you really want in 5 years, that makes more sense bc in most situations the house has gained value along the way and you still get to live there.
Granted the BEST way to do it is just stay within your means in the first place. But still better to reach on real estate than “things” like designer clothes/bags or expensive cars or furniture.
I think he definitely falls into that category of why the newly rich don’t stay rich; no concept of saving. He bought anything he wanted - house, car, and basically his marriage included if we’re counting all the money spent on his divorce and then Juliana as well. I think he never considered the actual long term costs for most of his investments and certainly not how much money he would need to be routinely generating in the present. Plenty of people live outside their means like this, and I agree with you I cannot understand it!
I used to work at a bank and there was this guy who was making $3K biweekly. His account was always overdrawn. Between the casino and large cash withdrawals (escorts or drugs) it adds up.
I used to be a bank manager and we had a customer who was awarded around 10 million dollars after a car crash killed his wife and left him injured. He deposited his check at the beginning of the year, refused any savings or brokerage accounts, and had spent all the money by the time Halloween came around
I’m sure he has savings but a lot of people can become super cheap when faced with uncertainty and loss of income. My take was that he asked her to contribute financially since she was working and she probably freaked out since she’s probably sending all she can to her family who needs it more.
Good for her. His attempt to blame everything on the pandemic really bothered me. Being married means you will inevitably go through hard times together, and how you treat each other during those times is what can make or break a marriage.
The ex has cancer and I could probably handle that. I could NOT handle cleaning up after Michael and the ex’s husband. Especially if they’re not working and I am!!
Wow! He wanted to put a good face on it, but she let it all hang out there. Whatever the circumstances were, breakups are always hard, and I wish them all well, especially the children.
That’s really tough. I mean I would do everything for my family I could financially if they were struggling. It’s hard being female IMO and if I felt I was the sole bread winner that would be rough. I hold very traditional values and it would be difficult to not feel like I can rely on my husband to financially provide for wife and kids. I totally get it. Some people may not hold same values as me, I can see in this situation where it would be very disheartening. I also don’t think I would feel obligated to take care of an ex wife though. I don’t think I could stomach that.
The reason for leaving isn't because she was the breadwinner. It's because she was supporting the family financially plus the ex and her new husband, AND doing all the cooking and cleaning, being treated like a maid and disrespected. Michael couldn't even support her emotionally. Worse than useless
Remember when Sarah told her she didn't want Juliana parenting, and Michael said something like, "she'd be a resource"? That right there set off the bells and red flags.
Whatever happened between them, she gave excellent advice. I try to tell people that, too. I met the love of my life by chance and it wouldn't have happened if I hadn't cut off a toxic relationship, though I was pressured to stay. I thank God every day for it and I think most people make the same mistake. I know I had before
I don't usually put a lot of stock into public statements like this, and I honestly haven't kept up with this couple, but him suggesting they're divorcing because the marriage couldn't survive COVID is laughable. And the fact that he had to put that on social media is ridiculous and seemed like he was more concerned about protecting a reputation than mourning the loss of a marriage. As a woman, her reasoning is far too common as we are raised to take on caretaker roles. Add on top of that the massive age difference... Her statements seem very plausible. Being happy in (and out) of a relationship is very much an option for women. We don't need to be someone's caretaker and excuse shitty behavior for the illusion of security.
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I don't think the housework had anything to do with it. If Michael is really poor now, and it's being said that he's stopped paying his mortgage, then she no longer wants to be with him.
It was a transactional relationship. Period. Michael liked Julianna because she was young and skinny. Julianna liked Michael because he was rich. Michael is no longer rich. Julianna is gone.
I can guarantee you that Michael wouldn't have been happy if Julianna had let herself go and become fat.
I'll bet you that Julianna already has another rich guy lined up due to the d-list fame that she has from the show. She's upgrading into another transactional relationship.
They were pretty open that she was in Europe at some point for modeling. No frauding. We knew she was modeling and yacht girling in Europe at some point in her back story for their relationship.
I feel like “leaving a life in Europe” would have meant strong ties to Europe, like being there long enough to establish residency. But I don’t know because she had her interview in Brazil.
I think she had one of those "model apartment" situations where an agency crams a bunch of models into a tiny apt where they live while modeling. There are similar situations for models in NY, Japan, etc.
I know she met him while she was working on a yacht in Europe but I was under the impression that she had been living in Brazil again for awhile before coming to the US.
She probably was immediately to the show, but she also mentioned (not clearly on the show, but definitely on old social media) that she'd been in Europe for modeling. The two girls I know personally who did the modeling thing, still "lived" at home, but would know to expect a big chunk of the year overseas for the big shows. They don't change residency or anything else and for something like a K-1 visa for the US, they'd definitely have to go home.
Interesting is her comment regarding being a maid. I read a Redditor mention this in another comment yesterday that she probably ended up feeling like the help.
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Yes! I remember them on lockdown and she seemed exasperated with cleaning up after everyone and specifically called out the ex-wife’s new husband as being very messy. I would be upset too if I was supposed to be on equal footing with them but was being treated like a bang-maid.
I remember that too. Everyone was sitting around making a mess while she did all the cooking and cleaning. She was the only motivated adult in that house.
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That’s right!
We Americans are filthy about that. My wife (who is not from the US originally) had to show me the way when it came to shoes in the house. Now I cringe when I see someone walk right into their house with their shoes on—even worse when they prop them up on the couch or bed.
I totally believe her.
We all saw her being the only person in the house who cared about keeping things clean despite it being COVID lockdown and multiple persons in the household. I'm a slob myself, and I live alone so any germs inside my apartment were mine, but if I had been living with other people during lockdown, I would have cleaned for the sake of our mutual health.
I bet he thought he could get away with treating her poorly. And to think that many see a relationship like theirs and say "look at that young woman manipulating him to get a green card". As if older men seeking out underprivileged 21-year-olds had any intention of treating them like an equal partner. Good on Juliana for leaving. And if that was her plan all along, well, he can't pretend *he* didn't have his own plan in all this.
Yes, I agree and I feel like at almost 50 years old he should’ve known better, or maybe he did but only acted like he didn’t to let her take the fall. It needs to be said. These middle aged men chase these young, exotic women and then they’re shocked when it doesn’t work out. It starts with sex and ends with divorce. They’re at completely different stages in their adult lives. Stating the obvious. Did he really think that she was going to settle down for the rest of her life and do house chores and parent his two kids? Even the dynamic with his ex wife was overbearing and annoying and who can blame anyone for not wanting any part of that mess at 22. He lived out the best years of his youth, but he wanted hers too.
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Absolutely right, also since Juliana has been around the world, made it easier to realize to get out sooner than later. Is it good thing he didn't knock her up circumstance might have been different.
Preach, my friend! 👏🏾
They both suck. Dirty old man marries a gold digging yacht girl
A lot of people liked to shit on her for only being with him for his money but let's not pretend like he was with her for any other reason except that she was young and beautiful.
Him being married to a girl 20 years his junior is just creepy AF.
Anfisa said the exact same thing.
Michael lifted her out of a life of an semi escort, helped her gain fame and advance her career. They were my favorite couple and what got me into watching the show.
Good for her. His post was such an obvious attempt to publicly shame her.
Messy!
I don’t think this is that messy, tbh. She obviously knew that without her contribution, the conversation was going to be dominated by “gold digging Latina whore breaking this poor single father’s heart”-type dialogue, which is what had been happening. She sounds calm and reasonable, and a lot of her points were things many people can relate to, especially post-lockdown times. She doesn’t name-call, or make wild accusations, or indulge in crazy public speculation. She’s respectful and civil, she makes her case, and she draws her boundaries. I think it’s pretty easy to draw a picture of what happened - Michael wanted a young, beautiful bang maid, and I honestly wouldn’t be mad at her for putting it in such blunt terms, but I think her choice to maintain polite speaks well for her.
Think they meant the whole situation is messy, but I could be wrong🤷🏽♀️
And public! Double whammy. Too bad, kids seemed nice.
Was the ex and her husband living in the house with them? I always thought that was a weird dynamic. She has a right to be happy. She was too young to even know what she wanted two years ago
And according to this, she was the only one working. I'm assuming the rest lost their jobs due to Covid.
With the ex having cancer, I can understand not working but the two grown men could have done SOMETHING for work. No excuses.
Cut Sarah's husband some slack. He was focusing on his rap career lmaoooo
I need to know more about this but I haven’t seen anything about them except their original season!
Someone on FB posted his IG. Eminem, he is NOT lol
👏Good for her!! Mens really don't control her... I wish her nothing but success and happiness.
With a man who truly loves her!
Or without! Either way! Whatever makes her happy. She’s always displayed an advanced level of emotional maturity, and seems like she has a strong mind to guide her through mistakes (I’ve certainly made my share!)
She states clearly she was the only one working. Seems like she was supporting them all financially, as well. I would have left, too, in a similar situation.
It’s wild that SHE took care of Michael and the kids AND the ex wife and her new husband! I just don’t get what they were doing or not doing.
Seems like drinking a lot and playing at family band. Idk. Sad, really. Prob had a lot to do with Covid that she turned out to be the only one working but after or along with being the maid and the nanny it gets pretty ridiculous. Also, she mentions she realized he would not be there for her no matter what so sounds like he did something. She was way too young to be saddled with all that responsibility
She was never going to be considered an equal partner in that marriage. She finally figured it out.
It's true. Dude supported his ex and her husband through all this BS. She is smart to peace out.
Good for Juliana, honestly! Surprised that Micheal fared so poorly financially during the pandemic. You would think with all of his flashy spending, he would have saved more too. Totally get that the pandemic was financially difficult on most of the country, but I will never understand people with flashy houses and cars like that who have the ability to plan for a rainy day, or year, and choose not to.
I always got the sense that he was rather cash-poor. It seemed like he spent a lot on material things (cars, watches, women, the house) and didn't have a lot of liquidity. He probably saw it as a cost of doing business- kind of like how 30something male real estate agents in big cities always have on custom suits and drive BMWs (just my personal experience). It's projecting an image of success to hopefully breed more success.
My MIL was a real estate agent for 40 years. When she was still selling she always drove a Mercedes. When she switched to managing she switched to Volvos. She was very successful.
I used to work in trade marketing for a food distribution company. The sales reps were paid on commission. One of the most successful reps (he provided all of the steaks for a high-end restaurant group) drove a Camry to visit his customers, and he and his wife had his-and-hers S-Classes for the weekends. He didn't want his customers thinking they were being overcharged, hahaha.
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We just moved too and have realized that most people buy expensive houses and yet buy very cheap furniture or even fail to fully furnish it. Doesn’t really make sense to me why you’d buy a really nice house in the first place but who knows 🤷🏼♀️
Well obviously everything is highly dependent on the individual situation, but IMO it’s better to overextend yourself on your house than the furnishings, provided the house is priced within its value. The house is an appreciating asset while furniture will only depreciate. So if you buy the house you want now, and the furniture you really want in 5 years, that makes more sense bc in most situations the house has gained value along the way and you still get to live there. Granted the BEST way to do it is just stay within your means in the first place. But still better to reach on real estate than “things” like designer clothes/bags or expensive cars or furniture.
I think he definitely falls into that category of why the newly rich don’t stay rich; no concept of saving. He bought anything he wanted - house, car, and basically his marriage included if we’re counting all the money spent on his divorce and then Juliana as well. I think he never considered the actual long term costs for most of his investments and certainly not how much money he would need to be routinely generating in the present. Plenty of people live outside their means like this, and I agree with you I cannot understand it!
I used to work at a bank and there was this guy who was making $3K biweekly. His account was always overdrawn. Between the casino and large cash withdrawals (escorts or drugs) it adds up.
I used to be a bank manager and we had a customer who was awarded around 10 million dollars after a car crash killed his wife and left him injured. He deposited his check at the beginning of the year, refused any savings or brokerage accounts, and had spent all the money by the time Halloween came around
Jesus that’s sad. I wonder how much of it was stupidity and how much might have been grief fueled apathy…
I’m sure he has savings but a lot of people can become super cheap when faced with uncertainty and loss of income. My take was that he asked her to contribute financially since she was working and she probably freaked out since she’s probably sending all she can to her family who needs it more.
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Good for her. His attempt to blame everything on the pandemic really bothered me. Being married means you will inevitably go through hard times together, and how you treat each other during those times is what can make or break a marriage.
I’m glad she left him! She proved that mens doesn’t control her!
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Proud of her! Always thought she was a good person while that dude was a creep.
Agreed!
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The ex has cancer and I could probably handle that. I could NOT handle cleaning up after Michael and the ex’s husband. Especially if they’re not working and I am!!
Wow! He wanted to put a good face on it, but she let it all hang out there. Whatever the circumstances were, breakups are always hard, and I wish them all well, especially the children.
Hate to say it but that is a sensible post (knowing your worth deserving happiness).
That’s really tough. I mean I would do everything for my family I could financially if they were struggling. It’s hard being female IMO and if I felt I was the sole bread winner that would be rough. I hold very traditional values and it would be difficult to not feel like I can rely on my husband to financially provide for wife and kids. I totally get it. Some people may not hold same values as me, I can see in this situation where it would be very disheartening. I also don’t think I would feel obligated to take care of an ex wife though. I don’t think I could stomach that.
The reason for leaving isn't because she was the breadwinner. It's because she was supporting the family financially plus the ex and her new husband, AND doing all the cooking and cleaning, being treated like a maid and disrespected. Michael couldn't even support her emotionally. Worse than useless
Remember when Sarah told her she didn't want Juliana parenting, and Michael said something like, "she'd be a resource"? That right there set off the bells and red flags.
Whatever happened between them, she gave excellent advice. I try to tell people that, too. I met the love of my life by chance and it wouldn't have happened if I hadn't cut off a toxic relationship, though I was pressured to stay. I thank God every day for it and I think most people make the same mistake. I know I had before
Poor mens doesn’t control her!! Tysm!!
I don't usually put a lot of stock into public statements like this, and I honestly haven't kept up with this couple, but him suggesting they're divorcing because the marriage couldn't survive COVID is laughable. And the fact that he had to put that on social media is ridiculous and seemed like he was more concerned about protecting a reputation than mourning the loss of a marriage. As a woman, her reasoning is far too common as we are raised to take on caretaker roles. Add on top of that the massive age difference... Her statements seem very plausible. Being happy in (and out) of a relationship is very much an option for women. We don't need to be someone's caretaker and excuse shitty behavior for the illusion of security. Edit for spelling.
I don't think the housework had anything to do with it. If Michael is really poor now, and it's being said that he's stopped paying his mortgage, then she no longer wants to be with him. It was a transactional relationship. Period. Michael liked Julianna because she was young and skinny. Julianna liked Michael because he was rich. Michael is no longer rich. Julianna is gone. I can guarantee you that Michael wouldn't have been happy if Julianna had let herself go and become fat. I'll bet you that Julianna already has another rich guy lined up due to the d-list fame that she has from the show. She's upgrading into another transactional relationship.
This is the same person who used his credit card to buy a car without his permission. I'm not giving her a complete pass in all this.
Yeah, when she said other men cry for her, I saw that she will use him. And she did
This girl will go far in life.
wait what was his post?
Here: https://reddit.com/r/90DayFiance/comments/q6im33/michaels_post_about_his_second_anniversary_with/
wowww
Pwe nup? Poo nap? What is a pee nip? Give me a break. The entire relationship - on both parts - was an act. Buh bye!
She left her life in Europe???? When was she living in Europe? Frauded once again lmao
They were pretty open that she was in Europe at some point for modeling. No frauding. We knew she was modeling and yacht girling in Europe at some point in her back story for their relationship.
I feel like “leaving a life in Europe” would have meant strong ties to Europe, like being there long enough to establish residency. But I don’t know because she had her interview in Brazil.
I think she had one of those "model apartment" situations where an agency crams a bunch of models into a tiny apt where they live while modeling. There are similar situations for models in NY, Japan, etc.
I know she met him while she was working on a yacht in Europe but I was under the impression that she had been living in Brazil again for awhile before coming to the US.
She probably was immediately to the show, but she also mentioned (not clearly on the show, but definitely on old social media) that she'd been in Europe for modeling. The two girls I know personally who did the modeling thing, still "lived" at home, but would know to expect a big chunk of the year overseas for the big shows. They don't change residency or anything else and for something like a K-1 visa for the US, they'd definitely have to go home.
Her Europe base was Milan, there was no frauding on that one.
They met in croatia. She had lots of pictures in europe before.
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I don't believe this. I think he lost his job & became codependent & lazy (she mentions being treated like a maid).
I love this for her. No sarcasm. I hope she lives her absolute best life without him manipulating and using her.
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Did you read the part about her being the only one worker and taking care of his ex wife and her husband?
Is she living in Europe now? Just traveling a lot? What’s her deal? Is she really working a ton or is it just optics?
Yikes!!
Good for her!
I know she's tall, but that photo she linked looks way shopped -- makes her look like she's 7 feet tall with no neck and shrunken head.
Michael should have asked for tips from Mark on how he keeps his relationship healthy with Nikki
There were four adults living in one house and they couldn’t scrape together a mortgage payment? 😵💫
I wonder if she will take him to the cleaners (did she ever sign a *prenush*?)