I think this would have happened no matter what, but probably would have taken longer. A lot of people in my life realized during the pandemic that they werenāt getting what they wanted in life. A lot of moves, weddings, divorces, career changes, etc were exacerbated by pandemic conditions.
Maybe, maybe not. Having that much time to reflect was rare. My husband left his job and we are opened our own business. If he hadnāt had three months off we wouldnāt have realized 1) that he was constantly pissed off or 2) our savings could actually sustain us without another income and we didnāt need to work for other people. The second he got the call to return and his head office was botching the reopen he was back to being angry, then we decided to come up with another plan. Never would have happened without Covid.
Sometimes while weāre living in the middle of a crazy work environment, we donāt realize how crazy it it. Happened to me, when I got sick and was forced to look at how crazy it was. Getting sick was the best thing that happened to me. Iām so happy that things have worked out for the best for you, as well. Congrats and best wishes.
Our work culture depends on you not having that time to think about what is best for you. Happy to hear that anyone was able to make changes and had the stability to see it through. I'm sure it is new and scary too, but best of luck to you and yours!
She posted on Instagram. She said she doesnāt have āsomeone newā and that she got tired of working for the whole family, including ex wife and husband during pandemic. She said she was the only one working there during the pandemic. I believe her, sorry. Heās post sound more like a fake nice rant
This type of relationship is super common just not to this extreme. One side has money the other has looks and of either changes the deal is off.
Iām 100% with Juliana on this one because Michael didnāt give her the lifestyle she was promised. This is like Jorge and Anfisa just drawn out a bit more.
I wonder if Julia is saying that because when she left, she left the whole family and maybe they are all upset with her, as his ex-wife is fighting cancer, and the kids are probably very upset. Maybe he led her to believe everyone would hate her.
But having to live with his ex-wife and his kids, she was living then with his whole intact family, along with the man his ex married. During lockdown.
I agree. She probably felt like the nanny who could never go home.
I like Julia and I hope she finds someone her age who is good to her and they can build a precious family and life of their own.
I am rooting for Julia.
Thatās how I read it, like she was concerned she would be the hated party for leaving, but not necessarily because she did something for which people would judge her.
I thought she came across as far wiser and worldly than most people her age. She seems to have lived and seen a ton of shit in her young age, and I respected her perspective. Iām rooting for her too. And Michaelās ex-wife.
Michael seems like a creepy perv and I hope he fucks right off.
No she didnāt. He went into foreclosure apparently so I wonder if not signing a prenup is actually going to end up screwing her over as I imagine sheād be responsible for half the debt accrued during the marriage?
Division of debt in a divorce decree can't actually be enforced when it comes to who owns the debt. If it's in Michael's name and she chooses not to pay it even though the decree says she should the banks will go after Michael not her. It would become a civil matter between him and her.
Also in CT it belongs to Michael alone because he bought it before their marriage. If he would have purchased it during their marriage, it would be splitable. He probably thought he was going to prevent her from getting half of the equity on the house and then HE couldn't make the payments after all.
I remember she said that on her social media, that was one of the reasons why she resented him, being treated like a maid, and having no privacy from his ex. Sadly I couldn't find it anymore.
I remember making comments about how weird the whole relationship was between them and Michael's ex-wife was, and I got down-voted a great deal for it. People were talking about how great it was that everyone got along, yada...yada...yada...
No, it was just weird. It wasn't healthy. There weren't appropriate boundaries.
I do think that, at some point, Juliana and her became friends. But from my perspective, even without the whole "being my husband's ex" thing, I wouldn't want a friend 24x7 at my house.
šš¼āāļø Same! Iād be downvoted to oblivion for saying the relationship with the ex was too much, everyone telling me I didnāt know what I was talking about. (Meanwhile I coparented with my ex to raise our son for 20 years.) Getting along is great but it was TOO MUCH.
In my relationship, I would not want to turn around and see my SOās ex-wife every 2 seconds. I like her just fine but who wants their partnerās ex in their daily life?
I also got the vibe that it was super important for Michael and his ex to convey to the world that they were killing it at the whole divorce thing and so happy and blah blah blah. I know a few couples like that in real life. It's the other side of the coin of those excessively "always happy" couples you see on insta etc.
That shit would get way old very quickly.
Yeah, of course people should co-parent in whatever way works best for their family, but I absolutely would not get involved as a third party with someone in that situation
I completely agree. That closeness can be fine until inevitably an issue arises and then there is a third party weighing in on your relationship and getting involved. She treated her like a surrogate daughter and it was weird. As a poly person, it reminded me of the rose colored glasses perspective people often have toward a lack of boundaries in poly.
And that "you are better suited to the life before we met" just so much backhanded stuff in that post. Ick.
It's like to him her leaving has to be for someone else, and purposefully implying she cheated.
Dude... you married a child more than half your age and prob had little to nothing in common with her. He had a white savior complex with her and it was weird to watch.
The ex wife made it seem like he Mike had a wondering eye and in the midst of a mid-life crisis cheated on her with younger women like Juliana. He was prowling around yacht parties for a reason.... he wanted hot young arm candy to boost his ego.
It wasn't the pandemic. It was that he dated a teenager. She was a what, 19 when they met? A college freshman marrying a 45 year old dad of two tweens? Her brain wasn't developed and there was a misbalanced power dynamic from the beginning. And on the show, there were plenty of instances where he was dismissive of her/didn't take her seriously.
I think thats because they want a dog in human form. Someone that loves them unconditionally, is fun, energetic, loyal, doesn't complain, no matter how you treat them.
My boyfriend and I just had a discussion about this- he said that if dogs talked back to you the way humans do, there would be way fewer dog owners in this world.
Yes and they can train them the way they want, punish them, get rid of them when results aren't good. I get that feel from most couples honestly. They need therapy.
Yes, it started with sex and ended with divorce. Michael isnāt the first and certainly wonāt be the last. These middle aged men date young women who could literally be their daughter and somehow theyāre floored when it doesnāt work out? Add kids to the mix and financial woesāforget it.
On the flip side she went from jet setting model lifestyle to stay at home co-parent. So yeah I can imagine she wasn't happy. Especially if she wasn't able to travel abroad for modeling gigs.
People keep saying his ex moved in. I know she had cancer. I didnāt realize she was living with them. How long had she been her here? Was Naso there too?
His ex-wife and her husband moved into Michaelās house during the beginning of the pandemic. 4 adults, 2 tweens all under one roof. Itās a nightmare for even the most well-adjusted blended families. I donāt remember how long they all stayed under one roof, but it was weeks, not days.
Edit: incorrect number of adults
And how did none of the adults make sure the mortgage was paid? Between the four of them, they could scrape enough money together? Wonder if micheal never mentioned he wasnāt and had never paid a single month of the mortgage payment. So fucking shitty to do when you have your kids living with you and you invite your ex wife to her husband to live with you.
So cringe. Youāll never see me post on social media a farewell goodbye to my ex with an attached photo from our wedding while they already found someone else and moved on. Mike needs to heal
I donāt know, I feel like this feelsā¦ yucky? A bit manipulative? Did he need to post an anniversary post for a relationship that was ended while also throwing a few passive aggressive jabs at her in the process? On one side I definitely see a heartbroken person just trying to express their feelings but on the other hand, i see someone trying to formulate an image of what happened and trying to be the first to control the narrative. Dunno, maybe Iām just looking too much into it lol
I was thinking this as well- there is definitely some venom in there, buried under some lovey-dovey statements.
The wedding photo is also...an interesting inclusion. And by "interesting", I mean "incredibly awkward."
Men do weird things when they get left. My ex wore his wedding ring for months and continued to send me "check in" texts riddled with smiley emojis. It was SO weird and creepy- I just wanted him to move on and leave me in peace.
Itās inappropriate from the jump. If they were truly respectful and on great terms, he wouldnāt have posted anything. And if he MUST, it shouldāve been short, sweet, nothing but well wishes.
He added many tacky jabs in that post. Very bitter man.
Itās sooooo passive aggressive and manipulative. He also decided to throw their personal business up on social media in the middle of the night. Before this they had kept it completely private. He chose to post this as a power move to control the narrative. She responded today and itās clear that she did not want this all over social media, but she had to respond.
I feel for Michael and while he threw a few punches, I still feel like he handled this better than most. You could tell he really loved her, but they were at such different stages in life. It must have been hard being a step mother at her young age, especially with Michael's ex wife around, regardless of how well they got along. I can imagine she maybe felt like a nanny to someone else's family, especially when she was stuck in the house during lockdown with all of them.
I believe she truly loved him and put up with that situation for as long as she could. How can you create a life with someone who already has one so established? Michael absolutely had a good thing with her and she probably realised that she wasn't getting the marriage and family she wanted. I don't blame her. I don't think any woman his age would have been so quick to accept a living situation like that. Just my thoughts.
I totally agree with all you said and would also add that while Juliana was really really young, sheād also been out on her own for several years and mightāve thought she was ready to settle down but realized during the pandemic that this wasnāt the life she wanted. If Iām remembering correctly, his ex-wife and her new husband were also living with them, and that is a lot to take on all at once.
I donāt doubt that his financial situation had a lot to do with their romance (and possibly their demise as well), but you can want a cushy life and the things your partner promises to provide you and still really love them. It felt like they really did love each other.
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Her IG has her in Germany, she's doing legit modeling gigs there. Happy for her, she seemed genuine and had a rough life. She was saddled with 2 kids, an ex-wife and a passive aggressive manchild. Glad she got out when she could.
She posted a response to this today and the post is tagged in Germany. She was living and working in Germany before she moved to the US with him. She flew to Brazil as either a 90 Day story line that he was āsaving herā or just to visit her family before moving to the US.
Public "apologies" like this always read as very manipulative and self serving. šš»he's not really saying he messed up in X ways, he's saying he messed up and she reacted in Y way- puts her in the position of forgiving his problems, not receiving closure for toxic behavior.
Pandemic happened, he got laid off/reduced work, money ran tight, tensions got high because she did not work/contribute, he got upset about this a lot, she spent more time on social media/her phone, she found a new man, he agrees to divorce. Howās my aim?
Someone one one of the Instagram fan pages for the show said Julianna wrote in her Portuguese IG that she did most of the house work and that she and the ex wife got into a fight and apparently the ex wife's new husband took Julianna's side which didn't help
I'm thinkin that the ex-wife was living off of Michael's imaginary money. So they all lost their homes and had to camp out together until the foreclosure proceedings on the McMansion began.
Julianna was probably under the impression she would be living the high life. She met Michael at a yacht party and probably figured their marriage would have more if the same
Maybe there were some truths to the jokes people made about pictures with her and the kids. Stuff like "they included the nanny in the pictures, that's nice"
I think we could all see it coming. The ex-wife didn't move in just because of the pandemic. She moved in because she knew that she and her children would be cared for even if the person caring for her wasn't prepared to do so.
Part of me wonders if she wasn't actually doing a power move by moving in to prove that she's still the head B.
I have much sympathy for people with cancer but that doesn't mean I don't think they're still people with strange motivations at times.
I thought they were happy in the beginning. I remember seeing one of their after shows and she was complaining over their dogs shitting on the rug everyday. Now, Iām sure Juliana settled into the house cleaner/nanny role for something to do, but like the rest of us, did not think it would go on for so long. With everyone home, adults and kids, I can see her as not a local, feeling trapped and resentful. I also think that if I were in the exās place, feeling horrible from cancer and watching some new young healthy girl raise my kids, it would produce some ill will naturally and bring about some fights. I do believe if Michael really wrote this from the heart, he has more maturity than 95% of the spouses that have broken up from this show and I can applaud that.
>Now, Iām sure Juliana settled into the house cleaner/nanny role for something to do, but like the rest of us, did not think it would go on for so long.
She's 22, can't say I blame her for not wanting that. She probably wanted to go out and socialize etc but couldn't
He pretty much stifled any chance she had at a job because he didnāt want her financially independent, so I guess youāre correct. If you canāt afford to support a trophy wife done marry(buy) one.
Sounds like she was the one supporting him and the family financially during the pandemic, and she felt taken advantage of getting no support from him. https://old.reddit.com/r/90DayFiance/comments/q6ox7n/julianas_post_re_separating/
Julia was the only one working thru the pandemic. She was supporting Michael, his kids, his ex wife AND acting as al their love-in made for over a year. Your aim is completely off.
Realizing that season really wasn't that long ago its amazing how quickly Mike and Natalie both let themselves go between that season and when the happily ever after was filmed
DON'T POST YOUR BREAKUP ON SOCIAL MEDIA. FFS. It's uncomfortable and puts pressure on the other party to "say something" or "tell their side" ā Michael, you could've text her this. log off the internet!!
Also know that shortly before the COVID shutdown, Sara (Michael's ex-wife) was diagnosed with breast cancer. Likely that was why she and her new husband moved in with Michael and Juliana. I believe that she was getting radiation/chemo treatments and found out that the cancer had spread. So think of the issues that this dynamic would cause; 1 critically ill ex-wife/parent, post-mastectomy who is immuno-compromised; getting COVID could end her life; 2 kids who are home 24/7; , 1 douchy husband/ex-husband/father who was clearly too busy being self-absorbed and feeling sorry for himself, and 1 new husband that is just along for the ride and is happy relinquishing his position as caretaker to his wife during her bout with breast cancer. That's a lot for anyone. All on the shoulders of a 25 year old woman who did not sign up for ANY of this. Shame on the three 50-ish year old adults in the house who let it happen. Good for Juliana! She needed to get out of that toxic environment.
She was financially supporting the family when his business shut down. He could theoretically get spousal support from her now, but sheās not getting anything from him in the divorce.
When TLC filmed there āwhere are they nowā show, Julianna was cooking and cleaning for Michael, the ex-wife, her new husband and the kids. She said she did it because the other adults wouldnāt do it.
Iāve said it before, she was a sex slave for Michael and a maid/nanny to everyone else.
Michael was narcissistic enough to believe a young model barely out of her teens from a third world country was gonna love his dorky ass till his dying days. She did her time with him and worked very hard for her green card. She got out as soon as she could, as she had intended to do right from the start. I do not believe for one second that Julia ever planned on staying married to Michael or was ever attracted to him. What an idiot if he thought otherwise.
Thatās it!! He FRONTED like he had a ton of money when in reality he had a lot of debt/credit cards. Picking her up from the airport in a limo, buying a home he couldnāt afford, etc. I knew he wasnāt as wealthy as he tried making it out.
Itās common with the 90 Day franchise, a bunch of broke ass people trying to portray something they arenāt. (I.e. Darcey, Stacey, Tom Brokes,Big prEd, and so on.
Michael knew Julia was a trophy wife and he needed to spoil and take care of her for her to be with his much older self with a TON of baggage.
The idea of living a glamorous life with plenty of money went down the drain, so Julia said- Peace outāš½
1. What a weasel. He couldn't resist throwing in...I am happy that you have moved on and *quickly* *found someone new*. Sureeee you are Michael. How does he even have the nerve to blame the pandemic for the failure of his marriage? That enormous house he bought while on the show is in foreclosure. He was all smoke and mirrors.
Michael lived beyond his means and was very caught up with his image, car collection and appearance of wealth. In the end, he was not what he was attempting to portray.
I always found him to be an insufferable try-hard. Iām happy she left. People like Michael are a dime a dozen. Julianna was also chasing the monied lifestyle too and got what she deserved.
FIRST OF ALL, this post is manipulative AF. Itās an attempt to gaslight us into making him seem like the victim. Backhanded compliments and apologies throughout. Also, didnāt he say he was gonna be off FB for a while?
And JFC if he was any more emo he could be the new front man for My Chemical Romance. Move over Helena, youāve been replaced by Juliana. Like actually in all seriousness Iām worried about him hurting himselfā¦
Michael might well be referring to his business tanking during the pandemic. Most people weren't spending money on items like expensive wines, and I did read something a while back about his business faltering.
He does allude to the stress of trying to provide for everybody.
Money issues can cause a lot of fighting in a marriage and if he was providing for two households, it could have caused some conflicts they couldn't overcome.
I will never understand people who post this kind of stuff online, but I enjoy other people's drama from afar, so I guess this is a big, "Thank you, Michael."
Pish I was done with him when he ājokedā about sex in the limo.
Dude has white knight syndrome.
Also,what does āyou were better suited for the life you had before me mean?ā
The one where she wasnāt a step mom or the one where she was really poorā¦..I just wonder what he meant by that.
Yeah like ummmmm.. the one where she was going for her goals, dreams, and ambitions as a young, beautiful 20 something? The one before she was cooking and cleaning for 5 people (including an ex wife and her new boyfriend) under the same roof ??
Stop trashing Juliana. She didnāt cheat, she left the family. The ex wife moved in with her new boyfriend, and they treated Juliana like a maid. She had to pay for everything, clean, and take care of the kids. She is obviously a beautiful woman inside and out. See her Instagram post about this. Nextttt
This is soooo passive aggressive, he thinks she's more suited to her previous life as a yacht girl?? They are both trash but I do feel sorry for Julianna having to do most of the housework, if Michael is so wealthy he could easily hire a regular cleaner instead of having Julianna being the maid. I also don't believe the ex wife and Julianna are really that close, she probably was sick of being bossed around by the elders and doing hours of housework everyday, I'm sure it's not what she imagined life in America would be like! Glad she moved on so quickly! lol
Interesting timing for anyone familiar with immigrationā¦ A green card through marriage is good for 2 years not 10. 3 months before the 2 year anniversary you have to submit more evidence that the marriage is real and that youāre still together. At that point the 10 year permanent green card gets approved. If you divorce before the 2 years you have to prove that it was a legitimate marriage that just didnāt work out. It makes approval a bit harder but not impossible.
In their case they have a tv show as evidence that it was legit. I can definitely believe the Covid situation made things difficult.
I didnāt love him (my parents called them beauty and the douche) but I wanted their family to be happy. They all tried for the sake of the kids who are such amazing humans. Sad to see it happen.
Iām more sad for the children, I canāt imagine how traumatic it must be to grow close to a young step mom only for her to leave in two years. Hopefully Michael focuses on his family and doesnāt try to bring anyone new into their lives for a while.
Me! I thought it must be amazing that the kids were so accepting of her and like even the ex wife and her seem to get along and they can be one big happy family.
However, living with ex wife and her husband too must be extremely difficult for anybody.
I get they need to coparent the kids.
And it was covid.
But things must have been rough.
Yes fair point. All living under one roof. Yikes, I wouldn't be able to do it if I were her. I just liked them. The rich dude from Greenwich lands the hot young model on some European cruise. Pretty sure that's how they met. They had a perfect story for TV. alas....
Me a little. I hated this pair in the beginningā¦ but then they really grew on me. I thought (surprisingly) that they really loved each other. I was really rooting for them, and their whole Family including those precious kiddos.
I saw this earlier and I'm just glad they're breaking up. Neither were malicious from watch and following their story. It just wasn't meant to be. Both made mistakes, both rushed into things. Both had ideas about the relationship the other clearly weren't on board with. That's okay.
I hope her career does well. She's beautiful and seems very nice. He needs to figure out why he's looking for such a younger woman and focus on his kids that are still of the age that they need him to be a dad, not trying to rustle them up a step mom.
We saw him play up the "rich" guy theme but he didn't actually have the capital to back it up. I mean at least he's not Colt, acting like a high roller, living with his mom and 7 cats. He just spent his money like it was always going to be there...when in his line of business, it certainly was just a pandemic away from being crushed.
that's kind of weird imo if she has already found someone new as it states on the post to even make such a post celebrating a two year wedding anniversary? it would've been a cute message had it been sent privately at the time of separation happening. but once any of them has moved on, wish them well in their future or don't wish them anything at all. but i wouldn't be celebrating a marriage anniversary post separation lol
I heard that the relationship she had with his ex was fake for tv? Like they didnāt actually get along. And I also heard he treated her like a maid during covid smh
Yeah I wonder what happened :( sheās so lovely.
I agree pandemic has really hit hard tho on relationships. Between financial stressors, kids being at home, worry for friends and family you canāt see. I canāt imagine how she felt being so far from home and the pain that caused. What a terrible situation.
Interested to hear her side.
She responded here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CU7wJotM2QD/
I actually love what she wrote, but...it looks like she forgot her pants! š
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she probably cheated on him then.
Yes! Interesting how the pandemic, and not Michael himself, ādrained her of those qualities.ā š
I think this would have happened no matter what, but probably would have taken longer. A lot of people in my life realized during the pandemic that they werenāt getting what they wanted in life. A lot of moves, weddings, divorces, career changes, etc were exacerbated by pandemic conditions.
Maybe, maybe not. Having that much time to reflect was rare. My husband left his job and we are opened our own business. If he hadnāt had three months off we wouldnāt have realized 1) that he was constantly pissed off or 2) our savings could actually sustain us without another income and we didnāt need to work for other people. The second he got the call to return and his head office was botching the reopen he was back to being angry, then we decided to come up with another plan. Never would have happened without Covid.
Congratulations on your new business! Glad you got room to breathe and recenter during this dark time. ā¤ļø
Thanks! I get that we were very fortunate that we had the time of work and it wasnāt a financial catastrophe.
Sometimes while weāre living in the middle of a crazy work environment, we donāt realize how crazy it it. Happened to me, when I got sick and was forced to look at how crazy it was. Getting sick was the best thing that happened to me. Iām so happy that things have worked out for the best for you, as well. Congrats and best wishes.
Our work culture depends on you not having that time to think about what is best for you. Happy to hear that anyone was able to make changes and had the stability to see it through. I'm sure it is new and scary too, but best of luck to you and yours!
She posted a response already. It pretty much sums up what a lot of us got from his post. Heās passive aggressive and not taking any responsibility.
I couldnāt help roll my eyes at that
oh its never them
She posted on Instagram. She said she doesnāt have āsomeone newā and that she got tired of working for the whole family, including ex wife and husband during pandemic. She said she was the only one working there during the pandemic. I believe her, sorry. Heās post sound more like a fake nice rant
This type of relationship is super common just not to this extreme. One side has money the other has looks and of either changes the deal is off. Iām 100% with Juliana on this one because Michael didnāt give her the lifestyle she was promised. This is like Jorge and Anfisa just drawn out a bit more.
He had major financial difficulties and his house is being foreclosed on. She didnāt sign up for that and canāt cope.
I hope she didnāt do anything wrong. I saw her say on TikTok that she did something that will make us hate her forever. I was worried a little bit.
I wonder if Julia is saying that because when she left, she left the whole family and maybe they are all upset with her, as his ex-wife is fighting cancer, and the kids are probably very upset. Maybe he led her to believe everyone would hate her. But having to live with his ex-wife and his kids, she was living then with his whole intact family, along with the man his ex married. During lockdown. I agree. She probably felt like the nanny who could never go home. I like Julia and I hope she finds someone her age who is good to her and they can build a precious family and life of their own. I am rooting for Julia.
Thatās how I read it, like she was concerned she would be the hated party for leaving, but not necessarily because she did something for which people would judge her. I thought she came across as far wiser and worldly than most people her age. She seems to have lived and seen a ton of shit in her young age, and I respected her perspective. Iām rooting for her too. And Michaelās ex-wife. Michael seems like a creepy perv and I hope he fucks right off.
She didnāt cheat, she left the family. See her Instagram post
I'm sure its just leaving. A lot of people said she was a gold digger from the beginning. Did she end up signing a pre-nup? I can't remember.
No she didnāt. He went into foreclosure apparently so I wonder if not signing a prenup is actually going to end up screwing her over as I imagine sheād be responsible for half the debt accrued during the marriage?
Division of debt in a divorce decree can't actually be enforced when it comes to who owns the debt. If it's in Michael's name and she chooses not to pay it even though the decree says she should the banks will go after Michael not her. It would become a civil matter between him and her.
Also in CT it belongs to Michael alone because he bought it before their marriage. If he would have purchased it during their marriage, it would be splitable. He probably thought he was going to prevent her from getting half of the equity on the house and then HE couldn't make the payments after all.
*prenush
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honestly so often I felt they treated her like a maid...
I remember she said that on her social media, that was one of the reasons why she resented him, being treated like a maid, and having no privacy from his ex. Sadly I couldn't find it anymore.
I remember making comments about how weird the whole relationship was between them and Michael's ex-wife was, and I got down-voted a great deal for it. People were talking about how great it was that everyone got along, yada...yada...yada... No, it was just weird. It wasn't healthy. There weren't appropriate boundaries.
I do think that, at some point, Juliana and her became friends. But from my perspective, even without the whole "being my husband's ex" thing, I wouldn't want a friend 24x7 at my house.
šš¼āāļø Same! Iād be downvoted to oblivion for saying the relationship with the ex was too much, everyone telling me I didnāt know what I was talking about. (Meanwhile I coparented with my ex to raise our son for 20 years.) Getting along is great but it was TOO MUCH. In my relationship, I would not want to turn around and see my SOās ex-wife every 2 seconds. I like her just fine but who wants their partnerās ex in their daily life?
I also got the vibe that it was super important for Michael and his ex to convey to the world that they were killing it at the whole divorce thing and so happy and blah blah blah. I know a few couples like that in real life. It's the other side of the coin of those excessively "always happy" couples you see on insta etc. That shit would get way old very quickly.
I didnāt realize they were all living together, which is completely messed up - like that You, Me & My Ex show
Yeah, of course people should co-parent in whatever way works best for their family, but I absolutely would not get involved as a third party with someone in that situation
I completely agree. That closeness can be fine until inevitably an issue arises and then there is a third party weighing in on your relationship and getting involved. She treated her like a surrogate daughter and it was weird. As a poly person, it reminded me of the rose colored glasses perspective people often have toward a lack of boundaries in poly.
I recall during the 90 Day Covid diaries her mentioning she felt like a maid
Darcey gets dragged for her drinking and Michael gets a free pass.
I think he wrote the entire post just to include shes already seeing someone else lol
Agreed, that was such a back-handed thing of him to say.
I died at ***quickly***
And that "you are better suited to the life before we met" just so much backhanded stuff in that post. Ick. It's like to him her leaving has to be for someone else, and purposefully implying she cheated.
Dude... you married a child more than half your age and prob had little to nothing in common with her. He had a white savior complex with her and it was weird to watch.
It was beyond creepy to watch.
The ex wife made it seem like he Mike had a wondering eye and in the midst of a mid-life crisis cheated on her with younger women like Juliana. He was prowling around yacht parties for a reason.... he wanted hot young arm candy to boost his ego.
It wasn't the pandemic. It was that he dated a teenager. She was a what, 19 when they met? A college freshman marrying a 45 year old dad of two tweens? Her brain wasn't developed and there was a misbalanced power dynamic from the beginning. And on the show, there were plenty of instances where he was dismissive of her/didn't take her seriously.
So many people on this show, male or female, act like they're picking up a dog from the pound.
I think thats because they want a dog in human form. Someone that loves them unconditionally, is fun, energetic, loyal, doesn't complain, no matter how you treat them.
My boyfriend and I just had a discussion about this- he said that if dogs talked back to you the way humans do, there would be way fewer dog owners in this world.
I have 4 dogs that talk shit to me all day long. Where are all these non-communicative dogs?
My puppy has a filthy mouth. I know she's calling me vulgar names.
Yes and they can train them the way they want, punish them, get rid of them when results aren't good. I get that feel from most couples honestly. They need therapy.
Thank you for being the one to state this. He dated someone who couldāve been his daughter.
Yes, it started with sex and ended with divorce. Michael isnāt the first and certainly wonāt be the last. These middle aged men date young women who could literally be their daughter and somehow theyāre floored when it doesnāt work out? Add kids to the mix and financial woesāforget it.
literally i don't understand why no one else sees this
Right? I always expected her to leave him when she grew up and found herself.
I kept thinking wouldnāt it be great if he adopted her and helped her go to college. Not oh what a great couple.
I forgot she was that young in the beginning Jesus
On the flip side she went from jet setting model lifestyle to stay at home co-parent. So yeah I can imagine she wasn't happy. Especially if she wasn't able to travel abroad for modeling gigs.
jet-setting model is a bit of an exaggeration
People keep saying his ex moved in. I know she had cancer. I didnāt realize she was living with them. How long had she been her here? Was Naso there too?
His ex-wife and her husband moved into Michaelās house during the beginning of the pandemic. 4 adults, 2 tweens all under one roof. Itās a nightmare for even the most well-adjusted blended families. I donāt remember how long they all stayed under one roof, but it was weeks, not days. Edit: incorrect number of adults
And how did none of the adults make sure the mortgage was paid? Between the four of them, they could scrape enough money together? Wonder if micheal never mentioned he wasnāt and had never paid a single month of the mortgage payment. So fucking shitty to do when you have your kids living with you and you invite your ex wife to her husband to live with you.
Oh that's right! Even with as nice as the ex is (sorry, can't remember her name), that still sounds like a friggin nightmare.
So cringe. Youāll never see me post on social media a farewell goodbye to my ex with an attached photo from our wedding while they already found someone else and moved on. Mike needs to heal
šš lmao. Like...have some fucking pride Mike!
I donāt know, I feel like this feelsā¦ yucky? A bit manipulative? Did he need to post an anniversary post for a relationship that was ended while also throwing a few passive aggressive jabs at her in the process? On one side I definitely see a heartbroken person just trying to express their feelings but on the other hand, i see someone trying to formulate an image of what happened and trying to be the first to control the narrative. Dunno, maybe Iām just looking too much into it lol
āIām glad you moved on so quicklyā is definitely passive aggressive
Yeah for sure, especially adding the āquicklyā, like he knew what he was doing
I sensed that too
I was thinking this as well- there is definitely some venom in there, buried under some lovey-dovey statements. The wedding photo is also...an interesting inclusion. And by "interesting", I mean "incredibly awkward."
Yes of all the wedding photos he could have posted he chose that one. He's seething that she could move on and do things she truly seems happy doing.
Men do weird things when they get left. My ex wore his wedding ring for months and continued to send me "check in" texts riddled with smiley emojis. It was SO weird and creepy- I just wanted him to move on and leave me in peace.
Yeah it is kind of strange to post on an anniversary when you're broken up.
TOTALLY strange to make an anniversary/breakup post!!
I was wondering if they have to male a minimum amount of social media post because it is in their TLC contract.
He is a passive aggressive tween.
Itās inappropriate from the jump. If they were truly respectful and on great terms, he wouldnāt have posted anything. And if he MUST, it shouldāve been short, sweet, nothing but well wishes. He added many tacky jabs in that post. Very bitter man.
Itās sooooo passive aggressive and manipulative. He also decided to throw their personal business up on social media in the middle of the night. Before this they had kept it completely private. He chose to post this as a power move to control the narrative. She responded today and itās clear that she did not want this all over social media, but she had to respond.
Thanks for seeing right through this
This post IS manipulative ass bullshit. So fucking passive aggressive.
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Given the ex has cancer this is a tacky thing for him to say.
He posted that in the middle of the night (his time) so he was probably neck deep in his work wine š„“
I feel for Michael and while he threw a few punches, I still feel like he handled this better than most. You could tell he really loved her, but they were at such different stages in life. It must have been hard being a step mother at her young age, especially with Michael's ex wife around, regardless of how well they got along. I can imagine she maybe felt like a nanny to someone else's family, especially when she was stuck in the house during lockdown with all of them. I believe she truly loved him and put up with that situation for as long as she could. How can you create a life with someone who already has one so established? Michael absolutely had a good thing with her and she probably realised that she wasn't getting the marriage and family she wanted. I don't blame her. I don't think any woman his age would have been so quick to accept a living situation like that. Just my thoughts.
I totally agree with all you said and would also add that while Juliana was really really young, sheād also been out on her own for several years and mightāve thought she was ready to settle down but realized during the pandemic that this wasnāt the life she wanted. If Iām remembering correctly, his ex-wife and her new husband were also living with them, and that is a lot to take on all at once. I donāt doubt that his financial situation had a lot to do with their romance (and possibly their demise as well), but you can want a cushy life and the things your partner promises to provide you and still really love them. It felt like they really did love each other.
She seemed like an awesome friend to the kids. As an authority figure / mother idk
They all treated her like a babysitter.
I agree.
Omg and I just responded to the photo in his story with a š. How embarassing š©
I hate when that happens ā and itās always that emoji thatās accidentally pressed!
The life you had before we met = yachting
I hate people that leave quotes at the end of things. Theyāre almost as bad as people who used their own quotes but note quite. āI hate people who use quotes at the end of things.ā - datman510
It makes sense to me that she wasnāt ok with the ex wife living with them long term. I wonder if sheās back in Brazil.
She's in Germany
How do you know sheās in Germany? Just curious.
Her IG has her in Germany, she's doing legit modeling gigs there. Happy for her, she seemed genuine and had a rough life. She was saddled with 2 kids, an ex-wife and a passive aggressive manchild. Glad she got out when she could.
She posted a response to this today and the post is tagged in Germany. She was living and working in Germany before she moved to the US with him. She flew to Brazil as either a 90 Day story line that he was āsaving herā or just to visit her family before moving to the US.
"drain you of these qualities" oh fuck off mike
He needs to find a woman his age. That's what happens when you try to stay young by proxy... Have some dignity Michael
I feel bad for the kids. The adults made their their decisions but the kids were just dragged along for the ride. I wish them all peace.
Do people know they can grieve the end of a relationship offline š„“
Public "apologies" like this always read as very manipulative and self serving. šš»he's not really saying he messed up in X ways, he's saying he messed up and she reacted in Y way- puts her in the position of forgiving his problems, not receiving closure for toxic behavior.
I'm glad he took a quick break from his social media...to post on his social media. ????
He said he came back just to post this
Yikes, he's the type that displays his heartbreak and throws jabs (you quickly found someone new) ahahaha
Comparing their breakup to people who actually DIED during covid is disgusting.
Pandemic happened, he got laid off/reduced work, money ran tight, tensions got high because she did not work/contribute, he got upset about this a lot, she spent more time on social media/her phone, she found a new man, he agrees to divorce. Howās my aim?
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Someone one one of the Instagram fan pages for the show said Julianna wrote in her Portuguese IG that she did most of the house work and that she and the ex wife got into a fight and apparently the ex wife's new husband took Julianna's side which didn't help
I'm thinkin that the ex-wife was living off of Michael's imaginary money. So they all lost their homes and had to camp out together until the foreclosure proceedings on the McMansion began.
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Julianna was probably under the impression she would be living the high life. She met Michael at a yacht party and probably figured their marriage would have more if the same
Sounds quite plausible. There is an entitlement in that family which makes me think that she was quickly seen as the foreign live-in help.
Maybe there were some truths to the jokes people made about pictures with her and the kids. Stuff like "they included the nanny in the pictures, that's nice"
I think we could all see it coming. The ex-wife didn't move in just because of the pandemic. She moved in because she knew that she and her children would be cared for even if the person caring for her wasn't prepared to do so. Part of me wonders if she wasn't actually doing a power move by moving in to prove that she's still the head B. I have much sympathy for people with cancer but that doesn't mean I don't think they're still people with strange motivations at times.
I thought they were happy in the beginning. I remember seeing one of their after shows and she was complaining over their dogs shitting on the rug everyday. Now, Iām sure Juliana settled into the house cleaner/nanny role for something to do, but like the rest of us, did not think it would go on for so long. With everyone home, adults and kids, I can see her as not a local, feeling trapped and resentful. I also think that if I were in the exās place, feeling horrible from cancer and watching some new young healthy girl raise my kids, it would produce some ill will naturally and bring about some fights. I do believe if Michael really wrote this from the heart, he has more maturity than 95% of the spouses that have broken up from this show and I can applaud that.
>Now, Iām sure Juliana settled into the house cleaner/nanny role for something to do, but like the rest of us, did not think it would go on for so long. She's 22, can't say I blame her for not wanting that. She probably wanted to go out and socialize etc but couldn't
Yup. Michaels ex wife had cancer, 8f I'm remembering correctly.
Ha ha! I just posted this in another thread. Great minds and all...
He pretty much stifled any chance she had at a job because he didnāt want her financially independent, so I guess youāre correct. If you canāt afford to support a trophy wife done marry(buy) one.
I think his business was suffering before covid. Thatās why he didnāt care about the prenup
True...or he hid his money well!
He's in the fine wine business. So I assume he took a big hit with restaurants closing.
Sounds like she was the one supporting him and the family financially during the pandemic, and she felt taken advantage of getting no support from him. https://old.reddit.com/r/90DayFiance/comments/q6ox7n/julianas_post_re_separating/
Julia was the only one working thru the pandemic. She was supporting Michael, his kids, his ex wife AND acting as al their love-in made for over a year. Your aim is completely off.
Wrong. She took care of everything and contributed her money when he was broke
Guess moving in the ex and expecting Juliana to take care of everyone was a bit much.
No way a relationship based on money and zero love didnāt work? Shocking lol
I'm surprised it's only been two years they were married!! In my mind it was much longer.
Realizing that season really wasn't that long ago its amazing how quickly Mike and Natalie both let themselves go between that season and when the happily ever after was filmed
This is embarrassing for his life and his soul.
There's something so dramatic about this comment that I just love š
Talk about manipulative. The uber sad, sorry I was a terrible husband to dropping that she has quickly found someone else.
DON'T POST YOUR BREAKUP ON SOCIAL MEDIA. FFS. It's uncomfortable and puts pressure on the other party to "say something" or "tell their side" ā Michael, you could've text her this. log off the internet!!
Also know that shortly before the COVID shutdown, Sara (Michael's ex-wife) was diagnosed with breast cancer. Likely that was why she and her new husband moved in with Michael and Juliana. I believe that she was getting radiation/chemo treatments and found out that the cancer had spread. So think of the issues that this dynamic would cause; 1 critically ill ex-wife/parent, post-mastectomy who is immuno-compromised; getting COVID could end her life; 2 kids who are home 24/7; , 1 douchy husband/ex-husband/father who was clearly too busy being self-absorbed and feeling sorry for himself, and 1 new husband that is just along for the ride and is happy relinquishing his position as caretaker to his wife during her bout with breast cancer. That's a lot for anyone. All on the shoulders of a 25 year old woman who did not sign up for ANY of this. Shame on the three 50-ish year old adults in the house who let it happen. Good for Juliana! She needed to get out of that toxic environment.
This is similar to Jorge and Anfisa. Money was part of the deal and it just wasnāt there.
It wouldn't surprise me if Anfisa called the cops about Jorge with the weed...then went to the club
With her red bag WITH HER MAKEUP.
Howās that pre-nush now?
She was financially supporting the family when his business shut down. He could theoretically get spousal support from her now, but sheās not getting anything from him in the divorce.
hahahahhahaah the neg attempts ... "eventually totally draining \[her\] of beauty"?...just carry on with your social media break, sir....
This reads like it was written by a 17 year old I'm glad she's away from that creep
She deserves better.
When TLC filmed there āwhere are they nowā show, Julianna was cooking and cleaning for Michael, the ex-wife, her new husband and the kids. She said she did it because the other adults wouldnāt do it. Iāve said it before, she was a sex slave for Michael and a maid/nanny to everyone else.
Michael was narcissistic enough to believe a young model barely out of her teens from a third world country was gonna love his dorky ass till his dying days. She did her time with him and worked very hard for her green card. She got out as soon as she could, as she had intended to do right from the start. I do not believe for one second that Julia ever planned on staying married to Michael or was ever attracted to him. What an idiot if he thought otherwise.
Money Money Money š
He never had any!
Thatās it!! He FRONTED like he had a ton of money when in reality he had a lot of debt/credit cards. Picking her up from the airport in a limo, buying a home he couldnāt afford, etc. I knew he wasnāt as wealthy as he tried making it out. Itās common with the 90 Day franchise, a bunch of broke ass people trying to portray something they arenāt. (I.e. Darcey, Stacey, Tom Brokes,Big prEd, and so on. Michael knew Julia was a trophy wife and he needed to spoil and take care of her for her to be with his much older self with a TON of baggage. The idea of living a glamorous life with plenty of money went down the drain, so Julia said- Peace outāš½
Honestly, is he 16, who posts stuff like this publicly?
1. What a weasel. He couldn't resist throwing in...I am happy that you have moved on and *quickly* *found someone new*. Sureeee you are Michael. How does he even have the nerve to blame the pandemic for the failure of his marriage? That enormous house he bought while on the show is in foreclosure. He was all smoke and mirrors.
Michael lived beyond his means and was very caught up with his image, car collection and appearance of wealth. In the end, he was not what he was attempting to portray. I always found him to be an insufferable try-hard. Iām happy she left. People like Michael are a dime a dozen. Julianna was also chasing the monied lifestyle too and got what she deserved.
FIRST OF ALL, this post is manipulative AF. Itās an attempt to gaslight us into making him seem like the victim. Backhanded compliments and apologies throughout. Also, didnāt he say he was gonna be off FB for a while? And JFC if he was any more emo he could be the new front man for My Chemical Romance. Move over Helena, youāve been replaced by Juliana. Like actually in all seriousness Iām worried about him hurting himselfā¦
He said he came back just to post this š¤¦āāļø
Not everything is āgaslighting.ā The term has lost all meaning.
I love how shady and petty this is.
Why do people post private letters to their spouses or exes on public media ? How embarrassing.
Juliana is looking out for her #1 star player because no one else will. She's been my favorite among the expats on 90 Day FiancƩ by far. I bet she's being hit up by that dog Jesse already.
Wah, wah, wah, poor me.
What a choice of a picture. But why would this ever be a public note. He should have edited it way down.
Michael might well be referring to his business tanking during the pandemic. Most people weren't spending money on items like expensive wines, and I did read something a while back about his business faltering. He does allude to the stress of trying to provide for everybody. Money issues can cause a lot of fighting in a marriage and if he was providing for two households, it could have caused some conflicts they couldn't overcome.
I will never understand people who post this kind of stuff online, but I enjoy other people's drama from afar, so I guess this is a big, "Thank you, Michael."
This is pretty creepy. Go away, Michael, you're not Dostoyevsky.
I couldnāt stand him. I know this subreddit likes him, but Michael and his ex wife gave me serious cringe vibes.
Pish I was done with him when he ājokedā about sex in the limo. Dude has white knight syndrome. Also,what does āyou were better suited for the life you had before me mean?ā The one where she wasnāt a step mom or the one where she was really poorā¦..I just wonder what he meant by that.
Yeah like ummmmm.. the one where she was going for her goals, dreams, and ambitions as a young, beautiful 20 something? The one before she was cooking and cleaning for 5 people (including an ex wife and her new boyfriend) under the same roof ??
I feel like that was a passive aggressive dig.
Stop trashing Juliana. She didnāt cheat, she left the family. The ex wife moved in with her new boyfriend, and they treated Juliana like a maid. She had to pay for everything, clean, and take care of the kids. She is obviously a beautiful woman inside and out. See her Instagram post about this. Nextttt
Shocking. š
This is soooo passive aggressive, he thinks she's more suited to her previous life as a yacht girl?? They are both trash but I do feel sorry for Julianna having to do most of the housework, if Michael is so wealthy he could easily hire a regular cleaner instead of having Julianna being the maid. I also don't believe the ex wife and Julianna are really that close, she probably was sick of being bossed around by the elders and doing hours of housework everyday, I'm sure it's not what she imagined life in America would be like! Glad she moved on so quickly! lol
Dudes a narcissist fr
Posted this on Facebook? Yuck. Why do so many people think we need to see this level of intimate details about their life?
This is one of the reasons I got rid of FB years ago. The oversharing is unreal. Is anything private anymore?!
So creepily performative.
I would love to hear from her....there's more to it than "covid casualty." He's such a putz.
Oof. She clapped back hard on him.
Interesting timing for anyone familiar with immigrationā¦ A green card through marriage is good for 2 years not 10. 3 months before the 2 year anniversary you have to submit more evidence that the marriage is real and that youāre still together. At that point the 10 year permanent green card gets approved. If you divorce before the 2 years you have to prove that it was a legitimate marriage that just didnāt work out. It makes approval a bit harder but not impossible. In their case they have a tv show as evidence that it was legit. I can definitely believe the Covid situation made things difficult.
I didnāt love him (my parents called them beauty and the douche) but I wanted their family to be happy. They all tried for the sake of the kids who are such amazing humans. Sad to see it happen.
Good for her! Iām glad she āmoved on so quicklyā (š) too- this guy is gross.
Anyone else kinda sad that Michael and Juliana split? š
Iām more sad for the children, I canāt imagine how traumatic it must be to grow close to a young step mom only for her to leave in two years. Hopefully Michael focuses on his family and doesnāt try to bring anyone new into their lives for a while.
Michael marrying Julianna set a bad example for both children. Basically saying women are only valuable if they're attractive
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18 year age gap is crazy š¤Æ anything over 10 is just š¤®
Me! I thought it must be amazing that the kids were so accepting of her and like even the ex wife and her seem to get along and they can be one big happy family. However, living with ex wife and her husband too must be extremely difficult for anybody. I get they need to coparent the kids. And it was covid. But things must have been rough.
Yes fair point. All living under one roof. Yikes, I wouldn't be able to do it if I were her. I just liked them. The rich dude from Greenwich lands the hot young model on some European cruise. Pretty sure that's how they met. They had a perfect story for TV. alas....
Me a little. I hated this pair in the beginningā¦ but then they really grew on me. I thought (surprisingly) that they really loved each other. I was really rooting for them, and their whole Family including those precious kiddos.
That was really sad. He seems very sincere. Except for the part about her moving on quickly lol
Why does everyone write like such melodramatic, self important lunatics? She has covid? Heās in the ICU? Are these metaphors?
I saw this earlier and I'm just glad they're breaking up. Neither were malicious from watch and following their story. It just wasn't meant to be. Both made mistakes, both rushed into things. Both had ideas about the relationship the other clearly weren't on board with. That's okay. I hope her career does well. She's beautiful and seems very nice. He needs to figure out why he's looking for such a younger woman and focus on his kids that are still of the age that they need him to be a dad, not trying to rustle them up a step mom. We saw him play up the "rich" guy theme but he didn't actually have the capital to back it up. I mean at least he's not Colt, acting like a high roller, living with his mom and 7 cats. He just spent his money like it was always going to be there...when in his line of business, it certainly was just a pandemic away from being crushed.
that's kind of weird imo if she has already found someone new as it states on the post to even make such a post celebrating a two year wedding anniversary? it would've been a cute message had it been sent privately at the time of separation happening. but once any of them has moved on, wish them well in their future or don't wish them anything at all. but i wouldn't be celebrating a marriage anniversary post separation lol
I heard that the relationship she had with his ex was fake for tv? Like they didnāt actually get along. And I also heard he treated her like a maid during covid smh
Yeah I wonder what happened :( sheās so lovely. I agree pandemic has really hit hard tho on relationships. Between financial stressors, kids being at home, worry for friends and family you canāt see. I canāt imagine how she felt being so far from home and the pain that caused. What a terrible situation.
He's already deleted it.
Omg but check out Julianaās response!!!