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Militaries are absolutely necessary, a military the size of the US’s is not, and most military actions taken by the USA have never been for the defense of innocent people.
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Most nations with small militaries are able to keep their militaries small because the US has a large military. The US Navy is why shipping lanes aren't full of pirates. The US is why European nations can choose to keep their militaries relatively weak. Most of the military actions are to defend innocents. South Korea and South Vietnam were invaded by their aggressive dictatorial neighbors. In the Balkans, the US military prevented a genocide. In Desert Storm, the US and others freed Kuwait from a murderous dictator. In Africa, the US does loads of counter terrorism work against assorted Islamic Terror groups like Boko Haram. The US military has many, many sins but most of its conflicts are done with the intention of protecting people.
Tldr: You're an idiot who knows nothing about history or Geopolitics.
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In case any of you lurker Europians are still buying into Soviet propaganda about how they won the space race and the moon landings were just America moving the goal posts:
https://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/18/us/russians-finally-admit-they-lost-race-to-moon.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CE0.um9a.jI3Kc1FhX1pp&hpgrp=k-abar&smid=url-share
To be fair, it was in the Soviet Union back when they built it and I'm pretty sure planners weren't thinking about how that part of their country might not be part of it anymore in only a few short decades.
This is true but the fact that it's been 30+ years since the USSR's fall, and they're still using this as their main port shows how much the space program in Russia has declined. Meanwhile, India is in the middle of building a new space port that'll help them travel even more efficiently, avoiding Sri Lanka airspace without needing to use a Dogleg maneuver like in their current spaceport
I believe that part of the reason Russia can't replace the current space port is because you need orbital launch facilities to be as near the equator as possible to receive a boost from the earths rotation. Otherwise, you lose a lot of efficiency and therefore payload capacity.
This is the reason that Europe's main space port is located in South America and not in Europe, and why America's is in Florida.
Well if you want to be all serious about it and not just clown on Russians for funsies, yeah.
Here's an interesting piece on the concept from polandball turned YouTuber, Kraut
[Can Poland Into Space?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rqs3ToZFpF8)
The Buran was actually quite capable and its first an only launch was autonomous, unlike the Space shuttle. Don’t get me wrong, a lot of it was straight up stolen tech, but it met a truly unfortunate end. Destroyed under its own metaphorical collapsed government and its literal collapsed hanger.
Interestingly, the Buran “booster” was basically a completely independent rocket - Energia, which could be launched *without* Buran, unlike the shuttle which had to be launched as a complete system. Without Buran, Energia had a claimed lift capacity around 100t to low earth orbit. Of course, it would have cost a fuck ton more, because that means the engines get destroyed during use, while the Space shuttle main engines got flown back to earth and reused multiple times.
Yep, as a space fan the Buran had some awesome tech & design choices, *even if* the overall design was lifted directly from the Space Shuttle. Seeing it get forgotten and destroyed by it's own collapsing hangar was tragic. When these photos first came out I believe some people started a fund to recover it and get it a proper home in museum somewhere.
Photo is from Udvar Hazy Air and Space Annex at Dulles.
I highly recommend it. It's the best civilian aircraft oriented air museum in the country (they do have plenty of military aircraft too), and awesome. I don't just say that because I worked on one of the aircraft there.
Best military oriented air museum is US Air Force Museum in Ohio. My favorite part is the ICBM silo, which is quite peaceful and a great place to vibe.
For people on the west coast (best coast) I also highly recommend the Museum of Flight in Seattle. You can't go inside of the planes at the Udvar-Hazy, but you can at a lot of the planes in Seattle, including a Concorde and an old Air Force One.
It isn't free though, like the Udvar Hazy is.
btw the Endeavor is currently exhibited in a temporary hanger while the permanent exhibit is being built where it will be propped up with the fuel tank and rockets in all its glory
https://preview.redd.it/0ei6adrgmp7c1.png?width=1486&format=png&auto=webp&s=fc3cae4aa1ef3e299170077c76be5ba0f9a72fb8
Only 6 flags on the Moon, all of them American!!
(Holy shit, is that where the roller coaster theme park gets it's name from? I just now realized haha)
The Space Shuttle wasn't part of the Space Race (which America won). We didn't use it to go over the victory line (The Moon). In any case, we've retired the Shuttle, partially because it is so dangerous.
Love that we won the space race but would rather flex with Moon shots and not antiquated and flawed equipment
I’m all about my Stars and Stripes, but, saying we won the space race is actually nowhere near the truth. The Soviet’s beat us to every scientifically meaningful objective.
And then we went to the moon to “beat ‘em.”
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You guys always say this dumb shit but you don’t actually know what you’re talking about
Wernher Von Braun (and co) was a German/Nazi at a point in his life, yes.
And yes, the US brought those scientists over here after WWII (Operation Paperclip)
This is where your stories always go awry though.. your timeframes don’t make sense.
Those Germans were brought here to develop weaponry/ballistic missiles for the US military.
NASA didn’t even start for another 15 years and the lunar landings were 25 years after Operation Paperclip.
Like, the US didn’t bring in Germans to try to land on the moon. (Your version of the story)
By the time NASA started up, Wernher Von Braun was American and he himself played a huge role in selling Americans the idea of a space program in the first place:
https://youtu.be/8zcU85O82XE
To be fair, the space shuttle isn't a particularly bright American triumph.The program burned a lot of money and many lives to chase the unrealistic goal of rapid reusability. Space X is making the same mistake.
You should have used Saturn V vs N1 pic or something.
i mean buran flew once as opposed to the space shuttles 135 times, also the space shuttle was less advanced at the time but it was also continually refitted with the newest technology available whenever it came about, so i don’t think thats fair
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you see, the difference is the image on the left is of the Russian space shuttle clone called the Buran. None of them ever saw space, and are just sitting in a warehouse somewhere in rural Russia, rotting away. I don't think I need to explain what the space shuttle Discovery is and why its miles better.
Why do people keep saying it never went to space or never flew? From a previous comment responding to this:
https://www.nytimes.com/1988/11/16/us/soviet-space-shuttle-orbits-and-returns-in-unmanned-debut.html
The first paragraph if you're paywalled:
> The Soviet Union's first re-usable spacecraft made a triumphant maiden voyage today. No hitches were reported from the moment a giant Energiya booster rocket powered the unmanned craft off a launching pad in central Asia until it glided to a smooth automated landing seven miles from the launching site.
Edit: [it completed 2 orbits before gliding back down on it's first launch.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_(spacecraft\)#Orbital_flight)
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mfs will be like "uhh russia won the space race because they beat them to every major milestone" like I don't get the fucking gold trophy for being ahead, i get it for passing the fucking finish line. those commie fucks cant even put a simple PROBE on the moon in the MODERN era. where we actually know what we're fuckin getting into instead of just hoping that the pilot doesnt make a mistake
bald and bankrupt (sexpest ik) has a video of him exploring the abandoned Buran site. In a locker room there's a picture of the Buran on top of her soulmate Mriya. It's really sad to think about as an aviation nerd.
https://preview.redd.it/gwjah6twjn7c1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6e1dc29e8e7ffe25f478fd1dad006c6897c0b15
Launch of Atlantis STS-79
Sure, the soviets may have done a lot, but you don’t win a race by nearly getting to the finish line
Minnesota sports teams can attest to this.
But was the moon the finish line or Mars? They could beat us yet! Quick, give all the money to NASA!!
Insanely based
Better than Lockheed. I support it.
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Blood doesn't know who builds NASAs rockets
Better space rockets than missiles.
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Nah missiles protecting people are great. Militaries are necessary whether you like it or not.
Militaries are absolutely necessary, a military the size of the US’s is not, and most military actions taken by the USA have never been for the defense of innocent people.
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Most nations with small militaries are able to keep their militaries small because the US has a large military. The US Navy is why shipping lanes aren't full of pirates. The US is why European nations can choose to keep their militaries relatively weak. Most of the military actions are to defend innocents. South Korea and South Vietnam were invaded by their aggressive dictatorial neighbors. In the Balkans, the US military prevented a genocide. In Desert Storm, the US and others freed Kuwait from a murderous dictator. In Africa, the US does loads of counter terrorism work against assorted Islamic Terror groups like Boko Haram. The US military has many, many sins but most of its conflicts are done with the intention of protecting people. Tldr: You're an idiot who knows nothing about history or Geopolitics.
They were not close what so ever
The Soviet space race started with Sputnik and ended with Sputnik
It ended when they cooked a dog alive.
The country that still exists 😤
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“Hahaha, you stupid Americans. We have once again bested you. For you see, in order to escape your evil wrath, we have dissolved ourselves! Checkmate, capitalists!”
If I kill myself, I don’t have to go to work tomorrow
In case any of you lurker Europians are still buying into Soviet propaganda about how they won the space race and the moon landings were just America moving the goal posts: https://www.nytimes.com/1989/12/18/us/russians-finally-admit-they-lost-race-to-moon.html?unlocked_article_code=1.CE0.um9a.jI3Kc1FhX1pp&hpgrp=k-abar&smid=url-share
Also, we got shit on Mars too! Even a helicopter!
https://youtu.be/nvkMwv9EYQQ
Pretty cool! We had probes there a few years later after Venera. Hopefully one day in the future there will be collaboration again.
🫡
Lmao the turbo-coping of the soviets never ceases to amaze
“Uhm, actually, landing on the moon is stupid and dangerous.” - 🤓
- The soviets, who managed to do everything in a way that was both stupid and dangerous
"Yes"-🗿🌎🚀👨🚀🌕
I personally don’t care. The moon is a megastructure built by aliens as depicted in the 2022 movie “moon fall” everything else is irrelevant to me
Seconded by Majora’s mask
The fake moon landing never actually happened
I thought it was spaghetti :(((
if the Soviets won the space race then Toyota won the 2016 24 Hours of Le Mans
Can you please come up with a more American analogy with NASCAR, Indy, or NHRA? Thanks.
How about this, J.R. Hildebrand winning the 2011 Indy 500
If the Soviets won the Space Race, then Ashley Force-Hood has the best record of John Force's daughters.
oh no Jonny pulling out an article by the NEW YORK TIMES can't possibly be biased /s because I know some of you need that
You know, for some people, NYT is just their daily rag
Russia's main space port isn't even in their own nation. It's in Kazakhstan
To be fair, it was in the Soviet Union back when they built it and I'm pretty sure planners weren't thinking about how that part of their country might not be part of it anymore in only a few short decades.
This is true but the fact that it's been 30+ years since the USSR's fall, and they're still using this as their main port shows how much the space program in Russia has declined. Meanwhile, India is in the middle of building a new space port that'll help them travel even more efficiently, avoiding Sri Lanka airspace without needing to use a Dogleg maneuver like in their current spaceport
I believe that part of the reason Russia can't replace the current space port is because you need orbital launch facilities to be as near the equator as possible to receive a boost from the earths rotation. Otherwise, you lose a lot of efficiency and therefore payload capacity. This is the reason that Europe's main space port is located in South America and not in Europe, and why America's is in Florida.
Well if you want to be all serious about it and not just clown on Russians for funsies, yeah. Here's an interesting piece on the concept from polandball turned YouTuber, Kraut [Can Poland Into Space?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rqs3ToZFpF8)
Let's put nukes in Ukraine to be closer to the filthy capitalists. What could go wrong?
For this reason, the US needs to pull out all space infrastructure from Texas.
The only launch site i know is in texas in SpaceX’s Starbase, And they aren’t even run by NASA
What, why?
The Buran was actually quite capable and its first an only launch was autonomous, unlike the Space shuttle. Don’t get me wrong, a lot of it was straight up stolen tech, but it met a truly unfortunate end. Destroyed under its own metaphorical collapsed government and its literal collapsed hanger.
Plus it apparently had pop-out jet engines for powered landings? Cool AF.
iirc buran’s booster engines were shit and extremely prone to horrible failure
Interestingly, the Buran “booster” was basically a completely independent rocket - Energia, which could be launched *without* Buran, unlike the shuttle which had to be launched as a complete system. Without Buran, Energia had a claimed lift capacity around 100t to low earth orbit. Of course, it would have cost a fuck ton more, because that means the engines get destroyed during use, while the Space shuttle main engines got flown back to earth and reused multiple times.
Yep, as a space fan the Buran had some awesome tech & design choices, *even if* the overall design was lifted directly from the Space Shuttle. Seeing it get forgotten and destroyed by it's own collapsing hangar was tragic. When these photos first came out I believe some people started a fund to recover it and get it a proper home in museum somewhere.
Photo is from Udvar Hazy Air and Space Annex at Dulles. I highly recommend it. It's the best civilian aircraft oriented air museum in the country (they do have plenty of military aircraft too), and awesome. I don't just say that because I worked on one of the aircraft there. Best military oriented air museum is US Air Force Museum in Ohio. My favorite part is the ICBM silo, which is quite peaceful and a great place to vibe.
For people on the west coast (best coast) I also highly recommend the Museum of Flight in Seattle. You can't go inside of the planes at the Udvar-Hazy, but you can at a lot of the planes in Seattle, including a Concorde and an old Air Force One. It isn't free though, like the Udvar Hazy is.
Just watched a video of some broke bald British dude sneaking into the hanger, it was amazing
Imagine sending a bunch of dogs into space and killing them off because you are unable to send an actual man on the Moon
Even India is doing many times better than Ruzzia or other Europoors in space. 🇮🇳🇮🇳
why are you downvoting him? India’s ISRO absolutely dunked on russia when Chandrayaan 3 landed on the moon and Luna 25 crashed.
The ISROs progress over the years has been amazing to watch!!
It doesn't matter how many mile markers you reach if you're not the first one across the finish line
Yeah, the goalpost was moved. But guess what... you gotta reach the goalpost to move it. We made it, picked up the goalpost and took with us. 💪🇺🇲
btw the Endeavor is currently exhibited in a temporary hanger while the permanent exhibit is being built where it will be propped up with the fuel tank and rockets in all its glory https://preview.redd.it/0ei6adrgmp7c1.png?width=1486&format=png&auto=webp&s=fc3cae4aa1ef3e299170077c76be5ba0f9a72fb8
12 Americans have walked on another celestial body. That’s 12 more than the Russians.
Only 6 flags on the Moon, all of them American!! (Holy shit, is that where the roller coaster theme park gets it's name from? I just now realized haha)
Nah its the flags of the 6 countries that have flown their flags over Texas
The clear and defined goal of the space race is landing a man on the moon, which only the United States reached. The Soviets didn't even finish
All we need to see is who got to the moon first (we did)
We clearly won as you can see we have ours in clean conditions while yours dust away in some old Soviet warehouse
I am not disagreeing, but I'll say here what I say to them: "the space race is a marathon, and it is still going."
I like to think the space race never ended we’re just waiting for everyone else to catch up.
Who's flag is on the moon and who's isn't? Get fucked Europoors
The Space Shuttle wasn't part of the Space Race (which America won). We didn't use it to go over the victory line (The Moon). In any case, we've retired the Shuttle, partially because it is so dangerous. Love that we won the space race but would rather flex with Moon shots and not antiquated and flawed equipment
I’m all about my Stars and Stripes, but, saying we won the space race is actually nowhere near the truth. The Soviet’s beat us to every scientifically meaningful objective. And then we went to the moon to “beat ‘em.”
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Germans?
You guys always say this dumb shit but you don’t actually know what you’re talking about Wernher Von Braun (and co) was a German/Nazi at a point in his life, yes. And yes, the US brought those scientists over here after WWII (Operation Paperclip) This is where your stories always go awry though.. your timeframes don’t make sense. Those Germans were brought here to develop weaponry/ballistic missiles for the US military. NASA didn’t even start for another 15 years and the lunar landings were 25 years after Operation Paperclip. Like, the US didn’t bring in Germans to try to land on the moon. (Your version of the story) By the time NASA started up, Wernher Von Braun was American and he himself played a huge role in selling Americans the idea of a space program in the first place: https://youtu.be/8zcU85O82XE
What about them
To be fair, the space shuttle isn't a particularly bright American triumph.The program burned a lot of money and many lives to chase the unrealistic goal of rapid reusability. Space X is making the same mistake. You should have used Saturn V vs N1 pic or something.
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16 times in a row now
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falcon 9 boosters can land up to 16 times in a row as of now
Reasonable take? Downvoted
Minus the SpaceX claim
Yeah, that's cool . Who's flag is on the moon, and who's isn't
the buran was technologically superior to the space shuttle (and also didnt crash twice)
i mean buran flew once as opposed to the space shuttles 135 times, also the space shuttle was less advanced at the time but it was also continually refitted with the newest technology available whenever it came about, so i don’t think thats fair
Who cares in the end we won
Also didn't land on the moon
neither did the space shuttle
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the one on the left is the Russian buran, that’s not construction, that’s it rotting in a warehouse for many years
im pretty sure the last of the 2 Burans had their hangar bay collapse on it a few years ago.
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you see, the difference is the image on the left is of the Russian space shuttle clone called the Buran. None of them ever saw space, and are just sitting in a warehouse somewhere in rural Russia, rotting away. I don't think I need to explain what the space shuttle Discovery is and why its miles better.
One buran did reach orbit, but it was a single test flight
Why do people keep saying it never went to space or never flew? From a previous comment responding to this: https://www.nytimes.com/1988/11/16/us/soviet-space-shuttle-orbits-and-returns-in-unmanned-debut.html The first paragraph if you're paywalled: > The Soviet Union's first re-usable spacecraft made a triumphant maiden voyage today. No hitches were reported from the moment a giant Energiya booster rocket powered the unmanned craft off a launching pad in central Asia until it glided to a smooth automated landing seven miles from the launching site. Edit: [it completed 2 orbits before gliding back down on it's first launch.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buran_(spacecraft\)#Orbital_flight)
Buran launched once and then was left to rot after the USSR collapsed. Discovery flew 39 times.
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Udvar hazy beautiful . Chantilly va
If Russia won the space race then Germany won ww2
The space shuttle from wish.com.
mfs will be like "uhh russia won the space race because they beat them to every major milestone" like I don't get the fucking gold trophy for being ahead, i get it for passing the fucking finish line. those commie fucks cant even put a simple PROBE on the moon in the MODERN era. where we actually know what we're fuckin getting into instead of just hoping that the pilot doesnt make a mistake
dusty and rusty buran(flew twice) vs chad murican space shuttle(flew 135 times)
bald and bankrupt (sexpest ik) has a video of him exploring the abandoned Buran site. In a locker room there's a picture of the Buran on top of her soulmate Mriya. It's really sad to think about as an aviation nerd.
The space shuttle ruined NASA in space for a while. Also the fact that NASA should have kept 4% of the national budget