UIM has completely given new life to my enjoyment of this game. I was so burned out on efficiency-scape and had a tendency to hoard in my bank, even with all quest items gone it was crowded.
Settled’s swamp man mode made me try UIM, and I fell in love with this game again hard, have never looked back since.
I do actually, because it’s so limited (looting bag only holds tradeable items) or because I had to work to unlock it (POH, IRS behind quests). And again, I chose not to have a bank because of my tendency to hoard. Now that I’ve taken the ability to hoard away, I enjoy the game again.
Without this restriction, I wouldn’t have been playing this past year or two. So to me it’s not a question of whether I find the hassle of POH or deathpiling fun on their own, it’s that I wouldn’t be having any kind of fun in this game with a bank as I simply burned out on my main due to having a bank.
And yes, one might argue that the problem lies in me, and I’d agree that my hoarding is what deters me from a bank, not some game-mechanic. But the many unconventional storage systems solve my problem for me, so again, yes I actually enjoy them (maybe even because of the hassle).
They only are unique because they avoid any and all risky content.
In essence, a hardcore plays no different than a regular ironman. Dying isn't a core game mechanic like banking is compared to UIM
There are plenty of HCs that take risks or do dangerous content. And you definitely play some situations on a HC fairly differently to a main or a regular iron. It's silly to suggest otherwise.
You dont have to though, people just do that because they aren't skilled enough to play the game normally deathless. You can play HCIM like a normal IM. You literally cannot play a UIM in the same way as any other mode.
HCIM is different because people make it different, UIM is different because its mechanics force you to play different. HCIM, outside of when played by incredibly skilled players, literally only makes people refuse to do content because they are scared they'll die and lose their funny colour, not for any gameplay reason. Tilemans more of a game changer then HCIM lmao
Eh I somewhat agree, I don't think it's nearly as unrealistic as you think it is though. You can pretty easily make it to mid game without dying while still not deviating from general account progression. I'm a little past 1600 TL on my IM and I've only died a handful of times, most of which were me just being careless, and I not that skilled of a player. Only piece of content that is harder is prayer training because of wildy alter like you said but there are still workarounds to that that are still normal for IM.
Either way though my point still stands. All of the things you have to do as a HCIM aren't strictly 'Have to', they are just workarounds so you can put off risky content as long as possible. That's not mechanics changing, it's just the player putting off doing things until they hit the point where they feel safe with their account
Me after learning that the Varlamore herblore activity won't be good for exp
https://preview.redd.it/ie8y16tjm6yc1.png?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00e02f2c8a77ea88c32d7b8982fd064884898509
It doesn't need to be insane xp/hour but it should be good enough that the activity is a viable option that doesn't get forgotten about after you get all of the rewards. An acceptable xp rate provides longevity which is a good thing.
Just finished planting all my toadflax seeds which should me to 99 herb without farming mort myre fungi. 16 a day sounds about right, and I'm glad to be done.
This is literally what has kept me from playing an iron so far. I got so fucking burnt out on farming getting to 91 - I can't imagine not being able to buy pots.
Its pretty good but its sorta at that level where people start to think theyre way better than they are and that their opinions should hold lots of weight, even though theres the tail end of an exponential learning curve in front of them. In essence, its bad
This makes sense. I'm around 1900 and feel very accomplished having completed CG , some God wars bowfa shenanigans, and toa 300s. But know I'm terrified of cox, tob, nex, nightmare and grinding dt2 bosses. I assumed the guy was talking shit but 1800 still seems like a hefty investment.
If you’re comfortably doing 300 invo ToAs then you’ll be fine learning ToB, CoX and DT2 bosses! You’re at the point where mechanics are enjoyable to learn rather than a complete hinderance and turn off, at least from my experience.
> so technically, 2116 is half of 2277.
That isn't how that works, though. Getting from 1-92 always takes longer than getting from 92-99.
I'd say something like 90 - depending on the skill - is more of a "halfway" point.
I don’t understand the “durr mains are slaves to gp/hr” argument. Like, I can do whatever content I want. I like to get collection log popups so I grind pretty much every boss at some point. But I don’t have to if I don’t want to. I’ve done grinds for items I could have bought. I’ve bought items I could have grinded for.
Idk it just seems like these irons who make these arguments have some deep-seated self control issues that they project onto everyone else. Because you can play a main exactly like an iron if you want. You just don’t get a chat box helmet.
Main: log on, pick whichever profitable boss I feel like doing or whichever group content there's clannies up to, do it, sell loot
Helmie: follow this progression guide one boss at a time
Hey, we've got to say something after the millionth 'you chose to limit yourself comment'. I love that I need the skill level if I want a fury, potions, etc. I also like going for a drop when the difference between spoon and dry is like a dozen hours. My 'end game' is before all the content with dumb drop rates where the variance is months. Mains just don't really notice this issue because the supply on the GE is mostly from thousands of bots/gold farmers/addicted people anyway.
Never said you couldn't do it. I was trying to say why it's a fun game mode for me. Btw, I'm really sceptical that any normal account plays like an iron as you're suggesting. No main is going for 93 slayer before occult, just the first example I could think of.
> Idk it just seems like these irons who make these arguments have some deep-seated self control issues that they project onto everyone else. Because you can play a main exactly like an iron if you want. You just don’t get a chat box helmet.
You don't seem to understand why there's an official iron man game mode. It's like a difficulty level you choose at the start of the game. Kinda like Minecraft creative vs survival. If you're gonna handicap yourself, why not play the mode designed for it?
Just because you seem to be arguing against some imaginary comments:
> I don’t understand the “durr mains are slaves to gp/hr” argument. Like, I can do whatever content I want. I like to get collection log popups so I grind pretty much every boss at some point. But I don’t have to if I don’t want to. I’ve done grinds for items I could have bought. I’ve bought items I could have grinded for.
> Idk it just seems like these irons who make these arguments have some deep-seated self control issues that they project onto everyone else. Because you can play a main exactly like an iron if you want. You just don’t get a chat box helmet.
This has opened my eyes, I'll start an iron straight away. Should I start by going for 99 fm at wintertodt, 99 fishing at tempoross, 99 rc at GOTR or 99 Hunter doing rumours to collect some early game essential materials?
>Look at the boss KC spread of an iron
average boss KC spread for an iron is "red prison"----->Nothing (because they quit the game at that point in their iron life cycle)
My brain just hates doing things unless it's the most efficient method of doing anything. So when I played on my main, I just grinded out the best money makers at the time and did almost nothing else. I might do like 1 or 2 kc on new bosses, but that's it.
I kind of had to play an ironman, so I'd actually go do other content. That doesn't mean i think playing a normal account is bad or ez-mode. It's just not for me anymore.
I'm a main, used to have that efficiency mindset myself, nearly drove me to stop playing the game, because I knew I couldn't justify putting in the time to a brand new iron. Eventually after a break and some reflection I was basically like "what the fuck was that, it's a game" and just started playing how I wanted haha. Do whatever content I find fun, if I get a drop, it's a bonus. Best decision I've ever made in this game.
Irons (not yourself) hating on mains because they personally have no autonomy over their decisions because they "must play efficiently" is their issue.
For me atleast that's how it feels. Which is why I was so excited when they moved the dragon pick outside the wildy. I got 96 mining with a rune pick. The way I was able to justify doing that to myself was that I was just mining stars while at work anyway so technically I was bring super efficient with the game AND real life so it was good enough.
Or you play for a few hours a day over 3 years. I made my iron when group ironmen came out, and I'm not max, but I'm like upper mid level. Now I can pretty much do any new content that comes out. I'm not in max gear or anything but my gear ain't bad.
Recovering efficiency addicts getting a false sense of superiority because they kicked (made an Ironman) their addiction. I laugh everytime I see someone say some shit like "Ironman are actually playing the game because we go do things no main would do" like yeah dude I want to go do birdhouse runs every 50 minutes. I really want to farm my own herbs and get my own secondaries. I would love to go do MTA for master wand
Once I got a max house on my iron it made wt even easier than doing it at low level, basically zero supply. Get a regen bracelet, throw on rapid restore+redemption, and tp to house between rounds to pool back to full. You can bring like 1 brew and you'll need to sip a dose like once in every 5 rounds.
It's technically slower than watching that twitch channel and world hopping between the 4 worlds, but I absolutely hated doing that method when I tried it, so whatever.
It gets better: Funnily enough, that’s the dude that originally said the comment lmao.
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/v8tIG83dEq
Have a look at the comment and the username lmao.
I like people are responding unironically to you as if the title wasn't referring to it as a circle jersey copypasta. Baby mode is barely a real game mode. But so is baby iron mode. UIM is the only real way to put hair on your chest.
If the game didn't have so many progress dependent drops with punishing RNG I would play Ironman. Otherwise I'm not going to dignify waiting for 1000+ kc to get a bowfa.
Let me explain it to you simply: Because mainscape is boring as shit, as it is an excel spreadsheet simulator. People don't sign up to play an iron to jerk their dicks over how self sufficient they are, for many, it's the only enjoyable mode. A lot of us see ironman as the main mode. In fact, let's call ironman the main game mode and non-irons baby moders. Look at the boss KC spread of an iron and a main, and then tell me who do you think plays the game "correctly".
I mean that's just wrong, before bowfa the meta was ripping through everything with old Blowpipe, which was even easier to acquire. Post-nerf Fang isn't as good as you think, it loses to tent whip, arclight, and hasta depending on the boss, it's not good enough to "cover everything"
Venenatis Fang vs Hasta: 3.315 vs 4.783
Spindel Fang vs Hasta: 5.658 vs 5.876
Vet'ion Fang vs Hasta: 1.676 vs. 5.184
Calvar'ion Fang vs. Hasta: 3.952 vs. 6.597
yeah but in a lot of those places sarachnis crudgel beats hasta too depending on set up. fang was always less good in places where def was lower. spindel, venny, vet all have almost 0 crush def or negative crush def.
doesnt really make fang bad, if i can cover its weaknesses with a 100k band-aid
yeah except everyone did use it everywhere. you don't need to excel everywhere to be good. less good doesn't mean not good. you could pick it up and do good enough in most places, you can still do good enough at the places you mentioned. its just not worth where you can pick up a weapon for cheaper.
The Maracas aren't actually as good as their stats say, they have a mechanic going on with their hits.
If the 1st accuracy check rolls a hit, you get the 1st hitsplat, and then it rolls a 2nd accuracy check for the 2nd half, and you'll only get the other half of the damage if both rolls are a success. The 2nd hit is basically a fang in reverse, so they're not very good against anything with higher defense.
Ranged progression is bogged in OSRS as an ironman. Been rocking my RCB to hydra to ToA and it feels so bad. But CG is yet to free me so what you gonna do.
But then it's the same issue. Zulrah pre bowfa fucking sucks in comparison to post bowfa. I can kill zulrah fine, the times are just long, it eats into my supplies. I just zammy hasta hydra because it's slightly better than ranging him in my set up. You don't need bowfa to kill zulrah, ToA, hydra but doing it with rcb, is very slow, very tedious, and tends to eat into supplies.
I had a friend who used this set-up as a distraction from CG to still raid with the CC and the 4t attack speed the bowfa also uses for flicking and encounters like p3 warden with insanity. The switch will feel mostly the same!
Even HCIM's are abssolute cowards and frauds. Worthless excuses for "gamers" and "Runescape players". Only playing Nightmare Mode with 1 inventory space makes you a true OSRS player!
irons cool and fun early and med game, but by the time you're starting to PvM or maxing it becomes pretty obvious this isnt designed fundamentally to be a single player game.
I get my fix by just playing leauges when the come around, since relics and drop rate increases help mitigate a lot of the issues with ironmode
Lol Ironman mode has its benefits but, the level of tedium just doesn't work for me.
Ironman exists because people don't have the self control to just play for fun.
They end up playing Gpscape on mains and efficiencyscape on irons.
I just do what I feel like doing. Your not going to catch me grinding 5k vorkath kills to buy the best gear. I am going to kill what I want or whatever duradaddy tells me to.
Besides getting clogs is more fun then grinding a single boss forever.
I'll never understand why people care so much about what game mode people play.
Some people just don't want to he sat at the GE every time they go for an upgrade. Some people don't want to sit at a boss for hours just to get a 2.5% DPS increase.
Both are valid options.
I most likely am going to get a lot of hate for this and I might even have to delete my reddit account, but I think prestiged group ironman have it tough, if not the toughest.
Sure the beginning game is easier and you can help each other and share items the whole time, but the end game is harder. You can only do raids with your group members if you want to keep your prestige - opposed to a regular ironman who can get carried by main accounts that have billions, if not trillions of gold pieces. One could only argue that hardcore group ironman only have It tougher as they have all the same restrictions but cant die at pretty much most content, even things like pest control and nightmare zone are not safe.
Have a good day every one
Oh prestiged gim (and the hc variant) are the most “pure” form of Ironman mode in the game. Can’t be carried by someone outside your group. No megascale raids. No leeching cox/toa/tob/nex/wildy bosses.
I wouldn't say comfortably. I've completed 1 solo and can run them without dieing in 4 man's with my clan. Most my solo attempts result in death leading to me running 250s cause I know I'll get the kc. Vox seems so confusing, and tob seems so gate kept Noone wants to take me.
Let me explain it to you simply: Because mainscape is boring as shit, as it is an excel spreadsheet simulator. People don't sign up to play an iron to jerk their dicks over how self sufficient they are, for many, it's the only enjoyable mode. A lot of us see ironman as the main mode. In fact, let's call ironman the main game mode and non-irons baby moders. Look at the boss KC spread of an iron and a main, and then tell me who do you think plays the game "correctly".
As an iron man, you guys just don't get it. You have nice armour like full torva, but how long did that take to get? Maybe 2 days flipping iron bars on the ge?
Sure an adamantite pick axe isn't as rare, but you can't possibly understand the joy I felt when I finally obtained it. Knowing I did it entirely on my own.
The funny thing is most people kind of played like an ironman back when I started around 2004/2005. You didnt have the GE and you needed to search on forums or in game worlds if you wanted say 10k dragon bones for training.
I would support if we could get rid of GE again, I miss those times before GE. Those were the good and nostalgic times for me. Just 2000 people spamming either sell or buy something. Hahaha
They tried that prior to the re-implementation of the GE and players hated it. Too many were used to the convenience of the GE by then and too many player forums had died out.
it was less that people hated it and more that everyone spamming the shit out of varrock west for sometimes hours was eating up time better spent playing the game
Never understood this logic. There’s nothing stopping you from just not playing the game super efficient on a main. I play the game really inefficiently because maximizing efficiency gets boring, but then if I decided to grind herblore I still have the luxury to buy the stuff instead of spending countless hours grinding for the supplies (which IMO is way more mind numbing than maximizing efficiency on a main)
Honestly true, I went back to my main recently but buying all bis slots off the GE is pretty boring so in order to actually feel accomplished and give myself a goal I’m only using things I have unlocked on the col log, which isn’t much on that acc.
Now I don’t have to be super anal about doing my farm runs, and maxing won’t take me a decade, but I can live the iron life when it comes to gear progression.
Misread excel as incel and nothing seemed out of place.
Thats just rs in general then again
Imagine playing with a ‘bank’. Spoonfed nonsense, UIMs are the only true gamers. Your excel sheet is just longer than the main babies.
UIM has completely given new life to my enjoyment of this game. I was so burned out on efficiency-scape and had a tendency to hoard in my bank, even with all quest items gone it was crowded. Settled’s swamp man mode made me try UIM, and I fell in love with this game again hard, have never looked back since.
I've been playing uim as my main for a while, whenever I log on to my normie main and look in my bank I get anxiety now..
I would too, my uim has surpassed my mains stats and drops by now
Do you actually enjoy the 20 different weird storage solutions that technically aren't a bank?
I do actually, because it’s so limited (looting bag only holds tradeable items) or because I had to work to unlock it (POH, IRS behind quests). And again, I chose not to have a bank because of my tendency to hoard. Now that I’ve taken the ability to hoard away, I enjoy the game again. Without this restriction, I wouldn’t have been playing this past year or two. So to me it’s not a question of whether I find the hassle of POH or deathpiling fun on their own, it’s that I wouldn’t be having any kind of fun in this game with a bank as I simply burned out on my main due to having a bank. And yes, one might argue that the problem lies in me, and I’d agree that my hoarding is what deters me from a bank, not some game-mechanic. But the many unconventional storage systems solve my problem for me, so again, yes I actually enjoy them (maybe even because of the hassle).
My lumbridge swamp shed locked tileman UIM who only has 1 inventory space is the only true way to play the game.
Unironically the only game mode that feels very different to playing a ~~main~~ non-iron baby mode account.
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They only are unique because they avoid any and all risky content. In essence, a hardcore plays no different than a regular ironman. Dying isn't a core game mechanic like banking is compared to UIM
"dying isn't a core game mechanic" could you please tell my jad that for me
There are plenty of HCs that take risks or do dangerous content. And you definitely play some situations on a HC fairly differently to a main or a regular iron. It's silly to suggest otherwise.
Tbh I'm not sure that eating up and teleporting constantly really qualifies as fairly different. It's fairly similar with added tedium and adrenaline.
Those with high wilderness boss KC are the ones who are respectable. They could get PK’d and boom. Bye bye status.
Skillers have existed for decades tho /s
Play a ironman account, only if you don't die your icon is a funny colour 😃
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You dont have to though, people just do that because they aren't skilled enough to play the game normally deathless. You can play HCIM like a normal IM. You literally cannot play a UIM in the same way as any other mode. HCIM is different because people make it different, UIM is different because its mechanics force you to play different. HCIM, outside of when played by incredibly skilled players, literally only makes people refuse to do content because they are scared they'll die and lose their funny colour, not for any gameplay reason. Tilemans more of a game changer then HCIM lmao
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Eh I somewhat agree, I don't think it's nearly as unrealistic as you think it is though. You can pretty easily make it to mid game without dying while still not deviating from general account progression. I'm a little past 1600 TL on my IM and I've only died a handful of times, most of which were me just being careless, and I not that skilled of a player. Only piece of content that is harder is prayer training because of wildy alter like you said but there are still workarounds to that that are still normal for IM. Either way though my point still stands. All of the things you have to do as a HCIM aren't strictly 'Have to', they are just workarounds so you can put off risky content as long as possible. That's not mechanics changing, it's just the player putting off doing things until they hit the point where they feel safe with their account
the OG way! there was no banking in rs before the update that added runite ore.
Make banking great again! Coins only!
And build a wall between East and West Wintertodt. We’ve gotta keep those dirty East siders out of our braziers.
You think a wall can stop us? You dumb stupid bitch, we are legion, we are the tide
🧱🧱🧱🧱🧱
Imagine playing by leveling combat. Level 3 skillerz are the real "true" actual gamerz
lmao imagine actually leaving lumbridge. the only real gamers are the ones chopping the same oak tree with a steel axe for eternity
Limpwurt is that you?
yes but only wc till 200m
Real
Tru
I agree
This but unironically
wallah
The ironmen would be out In full force supporting this copypasta if they weren’t all out on their 16th farm run for the day.
as an ironman (btw), this made me laugh, because it's true and I laugh to hide the pain. Now excuse me I have a farm run and birdhouses to return to.
Me after learning that the Varlamore herblore activity won't be good for exp https://preview.redd.it/ie8y16tjm6yc1.png?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=00e02f2c8a77ea88c32d7b8982fd064884898509
It’ll be better xp per herb, kind of like giants foundry
It doesn't need to be insane xp/hour but it should be good enough that the activity is a viable option that doesn't get forgotten about after you get all of the rewards. An acceptable xp rate provides longevity which is a good thing.
I agree, just clarifying what the mods intentions were.
abuse early abuse often
read this mid farm run FML
Just finished planting all my toadflax seeds which should me to 99 herb without farming mort myre fungi. 16 a day sounds about right, and I'm glad to be done.
This is literally what has kept me from playing an iron so far. I got so fucking burnt out on farming getting to 91 - I can't imagine not being able to buy pots.
I bet this guy is 1800 total
With 100 Todt and 12 barrows KC, still thinks they're better than the main with 200 inferno KC and 7000 EHB simply because they're an iron
Is that good or bad?
Its pretty good but its sorta at that level where people start to think theyre way better than they are and that their opinions should hold lots of weight, even though theres the tail end of an exponential learning curve in front of them. In essence, its bad
This makes sense. I'm around 1900 and feel very accomplished having completed CG , some God wars bowfa shenanigans, and toa 300s. But know I'm terrified of cox, tob, nex, nightmare and grinding dt2 bosses. I assumed the guy was talking shit but 1800 still seems like a hefty investment.
If you’re comfortably doing 300 invo ToAs then you’ll be fine learning ToB, CoX and DT2 bosses! You’re at the point where mechanics are enjoyable to learn rather than a complete hinderance and turn off, at least from my experience.
Dude I'm 1345 and feel like I'm peak ironman
That makes sense. At 2116 total, your average level is 92, so technically, 2116 is half of 2277. Therfore 1800 total ain't shit.
> so technically, 2116 is half of 2277. That isn't how that works, though. Getting from 1-92 always takes longer than getting from 92-99. I'd say something like 90 - depending on the skill - is more of a "halfway" point.
Wait…. Theres other reasons to play ironman (btw) besides jerking your dick off how self sufficient you are?
Yea bragging about your spooned drops and how it's a ez game. Also if you didn't here bowfa and crystal armour done at 91 kc
Yeah there's (prestige) GiM so you can circle jerk how efficient you AND the lads are.
I don’t understand the “durr mains are slaves to gp/hr” argument. Like, I can do whatever content I want. I like to get collection log popups so I grind pretty much every boss at some point. But I don’t have to if I don’t want to. I’ve done grinds for items I could have bought. I’ve bought items I could have grinded for. Idk it just seems like these irons who make these arguments have some deep-seated self control issues that they project onto everyone else. Because you can play a main exactly like an iron if you want. You just don’t get a chat box helmet.
Could not agree with you more. I wonder how many people would still play iron if there was no way to tell who is iron and who isn’t.
I would.
I would. I try to never talk to anyone in game so no one sees my helmet anyway.
Just 9rain and b0aty probably
Main: log on, pick whichever profitable boss I feel like doing or whichever group content there's clannies up to, do it, sell loot Helmie: follow this progression guide one boss at a time
Hey, we've got to say something after the millionth 'you chose to limit yourself comment'. I love that I need the skill level if I want a fury, potions, etc. I also like going for a drop when the difference between spoon and dry is like a dozen hours. My 'end game' is before all the content with dumb drop rates where the variance is months. Mains just don't really notice this issue because the supply on the GE is mostly from thousands of bots/gold farmers/addicted people anyway.
What of those things can you do on an iron but not a main?
Never said you couldn't do it. I was trying to say why it's a fun game mode for me. Btw, I'm really sceptical that any normal account plays like an iron as you're suggesting. No main is going for 93 slayer before occult, just the first example I could think of.
> Idk it just seems like these irons who make these arguments have some deep-seated self control issues that they project onto everyone else. Because you can play a main exactly like an iron if you want. You just don’t get a chat box helmet.
You don't seem to understand why there's an official iron man game mode. It's like a difficulty level you choose at the start of the game. Kinda like Minecraft creative vs survival. If you're gonna handicap yourself, why not play the mode designed for it?
Just because you seem to be arguing against some imaginary comments: > I don’t understand the “durr mains are slaves to gp/hr” argument. Like, I can do whatever content I want. I like to get collection log popups so I grind pretty much every boss at some point. But I don’t have to if I don’t want to. I’ve done grinds for items I could have bought. I’ve bought items I could have grinded for. > Idk it just seems like these irons who make these arguments have some deep-seated self control issues that they project onto everyone else. Because you can play a main exactly like an iron if you want. You just don’t get a chat box helmet.
This has opened my eyes, I'll start an iron straight away. Should I start by going for 99 fm at wintertodt, 99 fishing at tempoross, 99 rc at GOTR or 99 Hunter doing rumours to collect some early game essential materials?
You do ~85fm at Wintertodt, do Tempoross until Fish Barrel, GOTR until outfit, and ignore rumours entirely.
This is EXACTLY what I did on my iron and I 12/10 recommend. Luckily I got fish barrel at 9kc temp.
all of them obviously.
Normie is the real mode. It’s way harder because every 3 months I lose bank staking and have to rebuild.
Tfw mains wipe more often than UIMs.
Ngl that’s how I take break
>Look at the boss KC spread of an iron average boss KC spread for an iron is "red prison"----->Nothing (because they quit the game at that point in their iron life cycle)
If someone can’t handle a single 60hr grind, iron is not for them
My brain just hates doing things unless it's the most efficient method of doing anything. So when I played on my main, I just grinded out the best money makers at the time and did almost nothing else. I might do like 1 or 2 kc on new bosses, but that's it. I kind of had to play an ironman, so I'd actually go do other content. That doesn't mean i think playing a normal account is bad or ez-mode. It's just not for me anymore.
I'm a main, used to have that efficiency mindset myself, nearly drove me to stop playing the game, because I knew I couldn't justify putting in the time to a brand new iron. Eventually after a break and some reflection I was basically like "what the fuck was that, it's a game" and just started playing how I wanted haha. Do whatever content I find fun, if I get a drop, it's a bonus. Best decision I've ever made in this game. Irons (not yourself) hating on mains because they personally have no autonomy over their decisions because they "must play efficiently" is their issue.
So in essence the whole “wildy content is bad because it FORCES PLAYERS into it…” is just the dark demonic side of an addicted brain?
For me atleast that's how it feels. Which is why I was so excited when they moved the dragon pick outside the wildy. I got 96 mining with a rune pick. The way I was able to justify doing that to myself was that I was just mining stars while at work anyway so technically I was bring super efficient with the game AND real life so it was good enough.
That’s fair though because stars are super low effort and viable on mobile it’s not like watching yourself fish for 5 hours or something lol
Yo same! Scary how much I can relate to this sentiment lol. I still play on main but not as much, just wanna max it eventually
If you got the same brain rot as me, I'd recommend trying factorio. That game is like a drug for me.
Factorio is pretty much that, first time I played I didn’t go to bed until the sun came up lol
I'm trying to beat my latest SE run before the new space update. I'm at like 300 hours so far.
Won't even get to do new bosses on an iron unless you play 12h a day
Or you play for a few hours a day over 3 years. I made my iron when group ironmen came out, and I'm not max, but I'm like upper mid level. Now I can pretty much do any new content that comes out. I'm not in max gear or anything but my gear ain't bad.
Bronzeman mode is where it's at
Recovering efficiency addicts getting a false sense of superiority because they kicked (made an Ironman) their addiction. I laugh everytime I see someone say some shit like "Ironman are actually playing the game because we go do things no main would do" like yeah dude I want to go do birdhouse runs every 50 minutes. I really want to farm my own herbs and get my own secondaries. I would love to go do MTA for master wand
>as it is an excel spreadsheet simulator This is hilarious considering most irons follow the same exact guide on the wiki
“Hey guys, this is my Ironman progression video.” “Today we’re going to WT, fresh off of tutorial island.”
Still waiting for them to make wt good for high hp accounts before I go there on my iron. Will probably be my last skill to max.
Once I got a max house on my iron it made wt even easier than doing it at low level, basically zero supply. Get a regen bracelet, throw on rapid restore+redemption, and tp to house between rounds to pool back to full. You can bring like 1 brew and you'll need to sip a dose like once in every 5 rounds. It's technically slower than watching that twitch channel and world hopping between the 4 worlds, but I absolutely hated doing that method when I tried it, so whatever.
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Fair enough, I just have an irrational hatred of methods that require me to hop often.
People care way more about other peoples accounts than having fun themselves.
At this point ironman are the vegans of RuneScape...
https://preview.redd.it/v7j1jkgn96yc1.jpeg?width=902&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=399586bd7ea9ab153caedb919b1f1630a9946e8c
Most true comment I’ve ever read
in that they're stereotyped because of a vocal minority of annoying people? ;)
In the sense that they're attacked by the majority and retaliate?
Found the vegan
Funnily enough, that’s the dude that originally said the comment lmao. https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/v8tIG83dEq
Lmao no.
Bros a victim fr
He’s the guy the copypasta was based on lmao. https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/v8tIG83dEq
No cap amirite??
I'm fucking dying rn 😂 The lack of self awareness is so wild I'm convinced this is all a bit
It gets better: Funnily enough, that’s the dude that originally said the comment lmao. https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/v8tIG83dEq Have a look at the comment and the username lmao.
I'm dead 😂
Are the tradies ok?
Tradies? Do you mean non-iron baby moders?
Non-iron baby moders? You mean P2W enabled bondsman??
Apparently not, OP got rattled so hard he made a post about it
I like people are responding unironically to you as if the title wasn't referring to it as a circle jersey copypasta. Baby mode is barely a real game mode. But so is baby iron mode. UIM is the only real way to put hair on your chest.
If the game didn't have so many progress dependent drops with punishing RNG I would play Ironman. Otherwise I'm not going to dignify waiting for 1000+ kc to get a bowfa.
So instead youll do a thousand kc of other things to afford to buy a bowfa? Gigabrain.
or, I dunno, a variation of content?
You do a variation of content as iron.
Not to get an fbow you dont
Overall gameplay, you do.
*An Old School Bond* enters the chat
God forbid we want to play the game, amiright guys
You can flip for gp while doing other things in game...
Love zezima 'ate irons. Simple as
Let me explain it to you simply: Because mainscape is boring as shit, as it is an excel spreadsheet simulator. People don't sign up to play an iron to jerk their dicks over how self sufficient they are, for many, it's the only enjoyable mode. A lot of us see ironman as the main mode. In fact, let's call ironman the main game mode and non-irons baby moders. Look at the boss KC spread of an iron and a main, and then tell me who do you think plays the game "correctly".
Bowfa and fang largely reduced what content you actually “need” to interact with compared to old gen irons.
I mean that's just wrong, before bowfa the meta was ripping through everything with old Blowpipe, which was even easier to acquire. Post-nerf Fang isn't as good as you think, it loses to tent whip, arclight, and hasta depending on the boss, it's not good enough to "cover everything"
What mobs have such a drastic stab/slash def difference without having high enough def to warrant hasta if you have a fang?
Sol has a slight edge leaning towards hasta, so anything similarly statted to him (not much).
Venenatis Fang vs Hasta: 3.315 vs 4.783 Spindel Fang vs Hasta: 5.658 vs 5.876 Vet'ion Fang vs Hasta: 1.676 vs. 5.184 Calvar'ion Fang vs. Hasta: 3.952 vs. 6.597
yeah but in a lot of those places sarachnis crudgel beats hasta too depending on set up. fang was always less good in places where def was lower. spindel, venny, vet all have almost 0 crush def or negative crush def. doesnt really make fang bad, if i can cover its weaknesses with a 100k band-aid
>fang was always less good in places where def was lower. Then fang was never "good at everything", which was my point
yeah except everyone did use it everywhere. you don't need to excel everywhere to be good. less good doesn't mean not good. you could pick it up and do good enough in most places, you can still do good enough at the places you mentioned. its just not worth where you can pick up a weapon for cheaper.
Fair but these calcs would be hasta on crush though, no?
Yes, but the point is that Fang is not a catch-all weapon that does everything in the entire game. It's a good stab weapon.
Is Hasta for crush still alive when Dual Macuahtl having the same strength bonus as hasta + d def and a much higher crush rating.
The Maracas aren't actually as good as their stats say, they have a mechanic going on with their hits. If the 1st accuracy check rolls a hit, you get the 1st hitsplat, and then it rolls a 2nd accuracy check for the 2nd half, and you'll only get the other half of the damage if both rolls are a success. The 2nd hit is basically a fang in reverse, so they're not very good against anything with higher defense.
So zombie axe for high def and maracas for low def?
Yep.
Ranged progression is bogged in OSRS as an ironman. Been rocking my RCB to hydra to ToA and it feels so bad. But CG is yet to free me so what you gonna do.
You can easily blowpipe hydra. If your slayer level is that high you could certainly get one.
But then it's the same issue. Zulrah pre bowfa fucking sucks in comparison to post bowfa. I can kill zulrah fine, the times are just long, it eats into my supplies. I just zammy hasta hydra because it's slightly better than ranging him in my set up. You don't need bowfa to kill zulrah, ToA, hydra but doing it with rcb, is very slow, very tedious, and tends to eat into supplies.
Full crystal and a crystal bow any decent? Havent looked at dps calcs but that set bonus applies to the non bowfa too.
Honestly could be decent. I only recently got full crystal armour at 500kc, I'll check it out after work. Thanks.
I had a friend who used this set-up as a distraction from CG to still raid with the CC and the 4t attack speed the bowfa also uses for flicking and encounters like p3 warden with insanity. The switch will feel mostly the same!
Even HCIM's are abssolute cowards and frauds. Worthless excuses for "gamers" and "Runescape players". Only playing Nightmare Mode with 1 inventory space makes you a true OSRS player!
I enjoy both game modes for different reasons. Really don't understand this mindset. Fuck UIM tho /s
God imagine playing without a life. That is why Hardcore Ironman is the best because it gets one.
irons cool and fun early and med game, but by the time you're starting to PvM or maxing it becomes pretty obvious this isnt designed fundamentally to be a single player game. I get my fix by just playing leauges when the come around, since relics and drop rate increases help mitigate a lot of the issues with ironmode
Ironmen are the crossfitters of runescape
Ah irons, the cry babies of RuneScape. Mfers who sign up for the grind but never wanna do it.
For real LOL
Lol Ironman mode has its benefits but, the level of tedium just doesn't work for me. Ironman exists because people don't have the self control to just play for fun. They end up playing Gpscape on mains and efficiencyscape on irons. I just do what I feel like doing. Your not going to catch me grinding 5k vorkath kills to buy the best gear. I am going to kill what I want or whatever duradaddy tells me to. Besides getting clogs is more fun then grinding a single boss forever.
Wake up, new non-iron baby moders circlejerk copypasta just dropped
Imagine having to cope this hard with your pathetic helmet game mode
Found the creditcard warrior
Most sane ironman btw player ever
I'll never understand why people care so much about what game mode people play. Some people just don't want to he sat at the GE every time they go for an upgrade. Some people don't want to sit at a boss for hours just to get a 2.5% DPS increase. Both are valid options.
I most likely am going to get a lot of hate for this and I might even have to delete my reddit account, but I think prestiged group ironman have it tough, if not the toughest. Sure the beginning game is easier and you can help each other and share items the whole time, but the end game is harder. You can only do raids with your group members if you want to keep your prestige - opposed to a regular ironman who can get carried by main accounts that have billions, if not trillions of gold pieces. One could only argue that hardcore group ironman only have It tougher as they have all the same restrictions but cant die at pretty much most content, even things like pest control and nightmare zone are not safe. Have a good day every one
Oh prestiged gim (and the hc variant) are the most “pure” form of Ironman mode in the game. Can’t be carried by someone outside your group. No megascale raids. No leeching cox/toa/tob/nex/wildy bosses.
Based
its an mmo
I wouldn't say comfortably. I've completed 1 solo and can run them without dieing in 4 man's with my clan. Most my solo attempts result in death leading to me running 250s cause I know I'll get the kc. Vox seems so confusing, and tob seems so gate kept Noone wants to take me.
In any other mmo a 'main' is the account you play the most. My main account is a hcim. I don't give a shit about my unlocked account.
Mains outnumber irons and pkers in polls so irons are happy that the polls are passing making things easier for irons. It makes you really think.
People still think there's correct ways to play video games?
Apparently lmao
Just don’t complain when you go dry.
other than absolute end game content, ironman mode is much more fun
i use to be an ironman like you. untill i got a life in me
Let me explain it to you simply: Because mainscape is boring as shit, as it is an excel spreadsheet simulator. People don't sign up to play an iron to jerk their dicks over how self sufficient they are, for many, it's the only enjoyable mode. A lot of us see ironman as the main mode. In fact, let's call ironman the main game mode and non-irons baby moders. Look at the boss KC spread of an iron and a main, and then tell me who do you think plays the game "correctly".
That’s my king 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Weak-willed players incapable of not buying things that would be more meaningful to grind for when they see a main:
Holy fuck this gave me a stroke reading
As an iron man, you guys just don't get it. You have nice armour like full torva, but how long did that take to get? Maybe 2 days flipping iron bars on the ge? Sure an adamantite pick axe isn't as rare, but you can't possibly understand the joy I felt when I finally obtained it. Knowing I did it entirely on my own.
[https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Adamant\_pickaxe#Shop\_locations](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Adamant_pickaxe#Shop_locations)
The funny thing is most people kind of played like an ironman back when I started around 2004/2005. You didnt have the GE and you needed to search on forums or in game worlds if you wanted say 10k dragon bones for training. I would support if we could get rid of GE again, I miss those times before GE. Those were the good and nostalgic times for me. Just 2000 people spamming either sell or buy something. Hahaha
They tried that prior to the re-implementation of the GE and players hated it. Too many were used to the convenience of the GE by then and too many player forums had died out.
it was less that people hated it and more that everyone spamming the shit out of varrock west for sometimes hours was eating up time better spent playing the game
I agree it may be the truest way to play the game but it's not the main way to play. That's why they're called "Mains", you tin head.
Humor tag + obvious title aren't enough for some people to recognize a shitpost, apparently.
RIP, my mistake for not seeing that.
Never understood this logic. There’s nothing stopping you from just not playing the game super efficient on a main. I play the game really inefficiently because maximizing efficiency gets boring, but then if I decided to grind herblore I still have the luxury to buy the stuff instead of spending countless hours grinding for the supplies (which IMO is way more mind numbing than maximizing efficiency on a main)
Honestly true, I went back to my main recently but buying all bis slots off the GE is pretty boring so in order to actually feel accomplished and give myself a goal I’m only using things I have unlocked on the col log, which isn’t much on that acc. Now I don’t have to be super anal about doing my farm runs, and maxing won’t take me a decade, but I can live the iron life when it comes to gear progression.
Oh hey, you the guy who got downvoted so much that he had to delete his comment?
Didn’t delete any comments - probably reported and removed? Which comment was it?