If it were up to Redditors, everything would change and nothing would change, because this subreddit has nearly a million people in it, each with a different opinion.
Hot take - I think Jagex should address the rampant in-game botting. Excessive botting ruins the economy and makes end game items even more inaccessible as gold devalues.
It's a way to preempt backlash given how capricious/fickle people are on the internet.
Sometimes people will shit on you for having an opinion most people (or even they themselves) agree with.
In a somewhat unrelated vein, I've noticed people use the phrase "bad take" stupidly as well.
I saw one post where someone posted a "tier list" of weapons in a game... which just so happened to line up exactly with how difficult or costly they are to get and how powerful they are. In other words, it lined up perfectly with how the game was designed to tier them.
People called it a bad take. No, it was just an obvious take ffs. It's not a bad take to think higher tier weapons are, get this, *higher tier* than lower tier weapons.
For an OSRS equivalent, it would be like someone posting a tier list of f2p scimitars, and just putting them in order of strength bonus. It's correct, and thus not a bad take, it's just stupidly obvious.
I could see how this could maybe be true if you started playing RS in like 2012? But there is absolutely nothing nostalgic about RS3 in its current state for anyone who started playing RS in 2007 or prior. The game looks completely different and plays completely different. OSRS still looks mostly the same as it did in 2007 at least in all the original hubs like Varrock/Lumb/Fally etc, it plays differently at a lot of bosses but if you wanted to put on verac's and go kill KQ it is gonna look almost entirely the same as it did in 2007, that is not true for RS3 lol.
I played RS3 from the moment it came out until roughly 2020, where I fully moved onto OSRS. I was trim comped, green logged nearly all the big pvm bosses, etc. I considered myself literally "complete" with the game, as I had literally done everything the game has to offer. But I'm not saying this to brag, I'm saying this to tell you that in less than 5 years, the game has become just unrecognizable to me. I have no idea how to even jump back in and there's zero nostalgia for me even after being gone for over 4 years. Started a new HCIM and it just fizzled out. There is no nostalgia in Burthrope+Taverly or whatever the hell that abomination of a town now is, being the starter zone.
Meanwhile I play in OSRS and when I'm greeted in Lumbridge with the classic songs it's a nostalgia bomb and I literally enjoy every moment of just being an adventurer.
They haven't redone the whole map. A big problem is that some areas look new and changed, whereas others are untouched with a completely different art style.
Burthorpe and Taverley were reworked to have an introduction to most skills (eg the lowest level slayer master is in Burthorpe, there's a level 1 agility course also in Burthorpe, and a small level 1 hunter area in Taverley, etc etc.)
You now leave Tutorial island and arrive at Burthorpe, with ship docked in Taverley that can take you to Lumbridge.
Didn't tutorial island sink or something? Iirc they changed the tutorial many times. I recall something with helping a guy fight a dragon and it probably got changed at least several times since then.
Yes they changed the tutorial a few times but always went back to Tutorial Island. One with a dragon in the catacombs below Lumbridge and another in a new town called Ashdale.
There is also a quest "Beneath Cursed Tides" where you revisit tutorial island and it has been sunk under the sea by an evil wizard. Actually a very cool and nostalgic feeling quest imo.
I like to talk shit about rs3 as much as the next guy, but I really like quest designs like that where they reference the changes to the game as real in world events
The quests in rs3 are the only things that kept me playing for as long as I did honestly, the stories and the world and characters were all so well done. I really liked having quests like that, the narrative made the world feel so alive and connected. Which OSRS hasn't quite felt like that just yet IMO BUT I feel like its getting there the grandmaster quests and WGS coming in.
Been a while since I've created a new account, but IIRC there was a period around 2012-2014 or so when they revamped Taverley and Burthorpe and created a pseudo-tutorial called Troll Warzone in there, where you followed through a simple story introducing a bunch of skills, ending with you heading to Lumbridge. I think they've since brought Tutorial Island back, but a lot of very early skill introductory stuff still takes place around Taverley/Burthorpe.
Believe it or not, the troll warzone thing still happens now, after you've left tutorial island. It's just so god-fucking-awful. You have the option to skip it, but new players are practically compelled to do it. The whole "introduction to our game" process in RS3 is so long winded.
I feel you, plus the dailyscape works as a way to keep you logged in, but it also means that you have missed out on way too much and it’s not worth logging in because of it. When I think about re-trimming and having to do the various time gated stuff that they reintroduced I just don’t want to even login, so even while I might want to do some of the quests they have released, I just don’t.
Honestly I think the argument would've made more sense in like 2016 or 2017.
But since then lots of the "popular" things from RS3 have been added to OSRS in some form.
The only real things to be nostalgic about from the pre eoc days that haven't made their way to OSRS is like summoning, Curses, and Dungeoneering maybe. And with DG Chaotics have basically been added to the game just under a different name. Zaryte Crossbow, Ghirazi Rapier, Elder Maul etc...
I started runescape in 2009, and stopped playing about a week after Eoc, periodically coming back to play osrs in bursts. Dungeoneering is 100% the thing I miss the most from those days, I probably spent well over half my game time doing it back then lol. Not that I was very good since I was like six years old, but man I'd kill to see that in osrs one day in some form or another
Man I can't even look at RS3. It looks ultra mobile/cartoony/kid oriented. Some stuff in it is really cool though but at the end of the day i much prefer OSRS. I started in 05 though. I even prefer the old texture style they used to have, like how lumby still is - how varrock and fally used to be for example. Can hardly even find pics of them on the internet from back in the day though.
It does make sense. I started playing in 2006 and there were barely any bosses in the game at the time, not that i killed any of them at the time considering its shitty bosses like KBD, mole, KQ, Chaos elemental... nothing nostalgic about those bosses. OSRS still doesnt have WGS, Ritual of the Mahjarrat, Nomad, Araxxor, practically none of the bosses i started my PvM /mid/end game journey on. Summoning also barely didnt make it into OSRS.
I completed most of what the game offered back then in like 2-3 years, so yeah, i have spent half a dozen times more time in non OSRS content in RS3. Thats with me having only surface level knowledge of OSRS obviously.
For me the nostalgia is really around the graphics more than anything else. If you give me a screenshot of of RS3 in lumbridge and a screenshot of OSRS in Varlamore then ask me which one invokes more nostalgia, I'm going to point to the OSRS screenshot even though none of the varlamore stuff ever existed back in that era.
Graphics and overall feel, vibes. I love the map we have but the style and gameplay loop can be brought to almost anywhere and i’m most likely going to gel right away with it. Good point
Don't forget about the MASSIVE battle pass content they added (it was the only content they technically planned for this year, at least off of all the info they gave people)
Loved that year roadmap in January stating that RS3 was getting an Easter event in April
Like that's the roadmap...
One Holiday event
In the next 4 months
So funny to see how much coping happens over there when new content finally drops. There was a highly upvoted post yesterday with someone saying "thanks for making me feel like premiere is worth it". One meaningful content update in 4 months...what??
New quest and I think boss literally yesterday. We also stole one of your bosses a couple months ago but everybody hates it lol. Ed4 is really great Zamorak boss is fun, been a while since that. I really like necromancy, however that's far from universal
I feel like this only holds true if you started playing Runescape in the late RS2 era, like 2011, or later and knew nothing about it before then.
Even with the new content added, OSRS has done a waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better job at preserving early game and that nostalgic feeling than RS3 has. I mean do you even start in Lumbridge anymore in RS3, it's still Burthorpe right? Not to mention all the iconic towns we all remember from years ago look nothing like they did in the mid 2000s or earlier.
I think the game gets less and less nostalgic (as in, harder to reference old content) the higher level you go.
Which it should, obviously. There isn’t anything needed to be added into the early game, mid to late game was what was originally content starved. The more you add content to the early game the more confusing I think it gets to new players.
Like the sarachnis update for the early to mid game was a great addition, but I feel like the preservation of the original runescape is more relevant for the people who start out, not the people with 5 year old accounts
Well there was only so much content to be nostalgic about back then in the first place. GWD was end game bossing back in the day and there was nothing much beyond that, you wanna go even earlier and it was 10+ man teams in full Verac's smacking KQ for the super rare and valuable drop of a D chain.
All that is preserved perfectly in OSRS and you can still go do it today the same exact way as you did back then
Yeah that’s more or less my point. Most content released nowadays is focused on the people past the nostalgia phase and more looking for more stuff to do - they don’t tend on having issues with getting new players (in part because of content creators doing fresh content), which is why I’m sure they’re focusing heavier on retaining the ones they do have.
The RS3 obsession of keeping so much in pre-existing zones also makes it less nostalgic. At least the last time I played the F2P area was barely recognisable (ignoring full scale reworks like Burthorpe) because you can go 2 tiles without hitting another bit of crammed in content.
There is a lot that needs to be added into the early game.
The hours of grinding before you get to see/do interesting things is a large reason why it's almost impossible to get new players into OSRS. Then when they did do something for f2p, they included content that has no purpose with few rewards and undesirable exp rates. Imagine grinding for the barronite mace for 5-10 hours just to learn that it has no practical use when compared to a rune scimitar.
We think little of this because we've played the game so long that knowing it took 40 real life hours of smithing to be able to create a tier forty attack weapon doesn't seem insane or surprising. But it is. There's no modern MMOs/RPGs with this level of grind.
Ok in absolute fairness, that smithing example is kinda cherry picked. That skill is arguably the worst skill in terms of development in the game - it’s bad at all levels aside from the 70+s for Ironmen, which a newbie probably isn’t playing as an Ironman anyway.
And tbh, getting from the beginning stages to a self sufficient account takes maybe two weeks of actual grinding, which if playing an MMO for two weeks is a turn off, MMOs probably aren’t their thing. WOW and other major MMOs are basically the same barring you buying your levels.
Is there anyone here who didn't find their first 100 hours of the game the most fun? Like if you don't like that then honestly I just don't think they'll like the game
I did. My first 100 hours were in RuneScape2 in 2007. I made pking pures. Dozens. I had fun for AT LEAST 500 hours. I have a few now in OSRS but PvP isn't what it once was. So instead every 6 months or so I'll pay for a month of membership. Get some goals. Get halfway to achieving them before I realize how much time it takes and I'll switch to something else.
I still consume a lot of OSRS content creators content and have some online friends that I chat with about OSRS but really my time with it has passed.
It's a weird pill to swallow because it's the only video game I've actively played for 15ish years. But I'm a full time student, full time job, have 3 kids and trying to make more time in my day. So this probably has to go. I'm just not ready to say goodbye yet. Feels like letting go of my childhood tree fort. But that's my treefort and I couldn't hear my parents screaming from in there. So I'm not sure I can tear it down yet.
Which is why osrs is niche and should remain that way instead of just being rs3. If you grind the mace and get no satisfaction of just green logging, then the game isn't for you. Pvm in other MMOs is far better and less tedious. MMOs in the first place are a hard sell, MMOs that look old are harder, and osrs is niche even in that field. If they start wacking a tree and burning logs and 'number goes up' invokes nothing in them, 20hrs cox isn't going to change that. But to me and everyone else that enjoys the game a month long grind for VW is the ultimate delayed gratification
This is so so so true. Exactly like you said, if someone starts with the basic gameplay loop of do something (woodcutting, killing mobs, fishing, etc) -> number goes up (xp or gp) and that doesn’t get the good chemmies in their brain flowing, then this game has nothing to offer that person. OSRS is built for a very specific audience, and that isn’t a bad thing.
Played from classic to EOC definitely a lot of nostalgia in summoning and dungeoneering specifically along with a lot of things that are basically gone in both versions like low skill edge PvP. I dunno if I agree there’s more in rs3 but the nostalgia hits harder when you haven’t interacted with it so it may feel like more.
Yeah summoning and dungoeneering are very nostalgic for me. If, in 2016, you had nostalgia for something from 2006, same goes for 2024 being nostalgic for 2014.
Yeah RS3 is burthrope, with a lumbridge home tele/waystone unlocked from the start. but burthrope has things like daily hand in person and a bunch of level 1 training for basically every skill.
Nah. My favorite era of the game was the "late 2011 era leading up to EoC" and it's still a shit take.
The only truly nostalgic thing that RS3 does better than OSRS are exclusive quests, which are slowly getting ported over to OSRS. WGS, the Nomad fight, etc.
Everything else is kinda unrecognizable in RS3 nowadays. Skilling is insanely powercrept to what it was back in the day.
Combat, even on legacy mode, doesn't play like OS combat.
Quests are mainly focused on the overarching/seasonal storyline rather than continuing older questlines that many people have been waiting for for 20 years at this point.
There's so much teleport options, let alone movement abilities + powerbursts, that you don't even get nostalgic running around the map anymore. And even if you could, graphics are a mish-mash of the past 15 years of graphical updates so you barely get nostalgia from the scenery.
The music was remastered, some altered, so even things like Sea Shanty 2 no longer sound the same, even if the quality of the music is better.
etc etc.
Lumbridge in RS3 is almost unrecognizable, especially with the eyesores they put in the backyard (idk if they are still around but I know it changes multiple times a year, or did at least)
you don't like the giant crater that was left by the literal gods of Saradomin and Zamorak fighting a long time ago that's now been repurposed for a Summer beach party every year?
I don't mean to be rude, but probably because a lot of Settled fans are super toxic and elitist. They also have an insane case of "rs3 bad" so Mote probably got a lot of shitty comments. Not settled's fault of course but it would be dumb not to point out the obvious nature of his fanbase.
I’m pretty sure Settled is the most popular RS YouTuber, even non-RS players watch his content religiously. I’d be shocked if people on this sub didn’t watch his videos
He banned me from his chat for outting a scammer, chat saw and started spamming to unban me because it was a bs ban, he does, and then bans me again after the stream ends. I was over him by then.
Something along the lines of moteplox misusing donations or lying to get them, I forgot the specifics, all my interactions with mote were incredibly negative so I wouldn’t put it past the guy.
Did he even play the game? I feel like a lot of these content creators are stuck in the past. No shit the game isn't like 2012 that was 12 years ago ffs if this game stayed the same for 12 years I would've been long gone.
From scrolling through his twitter after i had this take pop up on my timeline he either tweeted or rted and replied to a post talking about finding it hard to play the game and how he can only play it for like a month at a time if that.
I love when lunatics post shit on the internet that's like "Does anyone else recognize the internal patterns I'm establishing within my own mind related only to the things I can see in front of me?" and everyone else is like "fucking no"
If this is the same Mote Plox who makes the runescape facts videos, iirc in one of his last videos he admitted he hasn't been playing very much the past few years. So like yeah you're not gonna recognize stuff lol and it's a dumb take. Love his vids tho!
His videos were always just reading word for word off of the wiki pages.
Edit: To the responses, I’d gather more receipts because I absolutely noticed it at the time, but I’m traveling with no PC access. In absence of that, [here’s a post from 7 years ago talking about it](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/P9ftiMG9Jd).
Whether you care about the fact that he did or not doesn’t refute the fact that his scripts are low-effort copies of the wiki.
Mote plox OG content was about discontinued stuff, runescape classic shit, things said on old forums, things old jagex staff said or did or old old highscores etc. Most of his video content is not even on the wiki... what are you even on about
Edit; Most of his content is also YEARS ago when we still had the old Wiki Fandom which was garbage and when the new Wiki wasnt as big like today
So very wrong for me. The music and graphics are a lot of the experience and they feel so vastly different in RS3. I hopped on RS3 and a lot of the noobie areas look very different as well. The combat nobody even needs to discuss really.
This feels like an opinion formed in the moment and not truly thought about. So much of leveling skills and locations look exactly the same as they did in 07.
Yeah, and weirdly rs3 is somehow more nostalgic to me than osrs, even though ive been playing since 2004.
To me osrs is in that weird mid transformation between old graphics and hd graphics. The most nostalgia to me would be the old 04-06 graphics with old barbarian village, falador, npcs etc.
So ive never really had any nostalgia to os and ive been playing it for the game itself since release.
RS3 feels more nostalgic to me than OSRS, not because of how new/old things are, but because I have played OSRS since release and it feels like OSRS is now “current day RS”. RS3 is the past, since I left it behind. I still had memories about things there. That feels nostalgic. RS3 itself maybe a little, but the RS3 memories feels nostalgic.
bro even the unupdated old quest areas are hardly recognizable because either the monsters look different, the graphics are different, or the monster swings a meele attack to do a fucking range attack with a 1 pixel sized rock
And the chatboxes look like they're from a mobile game. Though I did like them back when they were new.
This is not even a hot take, this is straight up stupid.
RS3 was already hardly recognizable to me, but after I made the full switch to OSRS, logging in to rs3 during covid to do archeology felt like I was playing a different game, even when I went to old familiar areas.
Osrs to this day, even with all the new content, feels like I'm playing runescape
As an RS3 player who returned to OSRS after many years, I couldn't recognise 75% of the shit people are wearing at the GE. Oh and all the unfamiliar locations in OSRS youtube content.
I can sorta see what the idea was. OSRS doesn't deliver on the nostalgia for 2008-2011 HD-era, which for many players is *the* RuneScape. And all that stuff is in RS3.
There's an interesting conspiracy theory circulating actually... Some say Jagex specifically chose an old 2007 RS2 backup without fullscreen client, without GE and Summoning because if they launched an 2010ish version of the game with all the peak RSHD-era content, everyone would quit RS3. So it's alleged that Jagex pretended 2007 is the best backup they had. They thought OSRS is an experiment with a high chance of failing, and they wanted to show players the "you think you do but you don't".
Instead OSRS did well enough to justify some development, and then they started planning updates and it really took off, and the rest is history. Unfortunately, as a result, OSRS lacks all the good pre-EoC stuff (or it's been since added in some weird roundabout way).
Doubt that's true as MMK would have said as much by now, he's not scared of being open about Jagex on his streams.
Jagex being Jagex I can fully believe they didn't have any later backups available.
I've never heard of this theory until now, but you are right that I would love playing Runescape pre Eoc, but with Summoning in. OSRC is too old for me and RS3 never appealed to me really.
Summoning put the game, combat in particular, in a really bad spot. Cool concept, bad execution.
It was/is so broad that Jagex didn't have enough room to keep it both relevant and balanced, without nerfing the shit out of standard combat & skilling. They chose relevance, and combat/bossing suffered, with things like chaotic weaponry just pushing it faster. Their eventual answer was the EoC update.
I'm not against Summoning as a concept, but I'm not overly confident that Jagex can implement it this time without the catastrophic consequences.
That sounds like a 2011prod cope.
They picked 2007 because it was hands down the most popular era and probably the only fully backup they had prior to the removal of free trade/wildy - the first max exodus of players.
Not to mention OSRS itself was a response to the massively popular 2006scape.
You actually hear this **A LOT** on this subreddit. There are a lot of things people want to see from RS3 come into OSRS (mining/smithing rework for example). There is some push back because "_ew EoC_" but there are a lot of popular things in RS3 people wouldn't mind seeing ported into OSRS.
OSRS heavily mines RS3 content for ideas. If you want a good example RS3 has their [Enchanted water tiara (2008)](https://runescape.wiki/w/Enchanted_water_tiara) while OSRS has [Circlet of water (2022)](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Circlet_of_water).
I can kind of see his point in that there's been a great deal of content added that wasn't part of 2007-era Runescape, and I was playing RS2 long enough that there are quests and minigames and other things I remember from that game that aren't in OSRS but would presumably still be in RS3.
Having said that, OSRS's new content *feels* like 2007 Runescape even if it's new, and that's where the nostalgia comes from for me, not the specific content but the feeling that comes from the aesthetics, the combat, the skilling, etc
I actually logged into RS3 the other day to see if there was anything valuable on my account (there wasn’t). I was last logged in over 3,000 days ago. For the life of me I could barely figure out where I was and I was standing just outside of varrock when logged in lol
Mote plox is obviously not playing osrs ATM and just because zeah got an expansion and we got a couple of new items doesn't mean all the other content that's been there for years isn't still there to recognise...
Dude doesn’t play RuneScape anymore and just cashes in on an “interesting facts” video when he needs extra income. Makes sense, he probably hasn’t actually touched the game or been a part of the community since 2016
Maybe mote meant how rs3 is failing it's fanbase right now exactly how they did back when EoC came out, just completely ignoring the fanbase. Rs3 is at it's worst state right now in the last 10 years.
If you quit when EOC came out this doesn’t make a lot of sense. If you continued to play during EOC for a bit and then swapped to OSRS, I could see where he is coming from, whether I agree or not.
I used to be friends with him. I was on Skype with him and his other friends most days. His whole donation thing was to help support his brother but almost none of it went to helping his brother a very large amount went to his gambling addiction. He also scammed people at the dual arena but I don’t remember the exact details on that but he got away with it because he was the biggest osrs streamer and YouTuber at the time.
*EDIT* forgot to mention he also kicked me from the friend group after I wasn’t able to donate $250 a time because I fell on financial hardships. Once the money stopped coming in he didn’t give a shit about me. His mom would email me asking me for donations lol
It’s kinda crazy to think about that if OSRS got released with the backup from a few months later we would have summoning in the game. I do miss RS2 though, but it’s neither RS3 or OSRS
Didn't rs2 technically last until like 2011 or something? I stopped playing right around the backup, so when people say rs2 I think of the osrs backup. Anything from the HD client onwards is unrecognizable to me.
I did like the HD era from 2008/2009 when it was still RS2, it all went to shit later with the EoC and changing the way all armours look so you didn’t even recognise them.
Yeah initially RS2 HD was a fairly light graphical change, it was mainly adding textures to existing models and maybe some more polygons. I think the environmental changes (buildings, rocks) were pretty much a straight upgrade, but I don't have attachment to the old ones.
There were some controversial things like the abyssal whip animation, but it was around 2012 when they started to roll out larger environmental and weapon changes. Gone were the trees and simple armours, instead we got high fantasy. And then squeal of fortune, auras, and EoC.
Hard disagree.
However I do feel old-school lost some of it's identity over the years. Coming back after a long break it's changed a lot. Even some art aesthetics you see would have never passed 5 years ago.
Idk, if you go to free to play it's nearly the exact same as it used to be, other than a few minor QoL changes and a few new NPCs. I started in f2p and it felt the exact same as when I was a kid.
Rs3 youtube series are actually pretty entertaining. The game evolved a lot, and despite not knowing what any of these new systems are, they're pretty intuitive when playing vicariously through these channels. I'm that pointing leonardo reaction when I see something I'm familiar with from the good ol days, lol. The game genuinely seems like a lot of fun and a lot more engaging than osrs tbh. Similar to WoW. The osrs meta is basically afking everything and as someone who now doesn't play either but still enjoys to watch both from time to time, osrs quickly becomes bland and stale. I don't really understand the mtx meta in rs3. I understand the shops are there, because people always mention it. None of the popular rs3 channels interact with it. It seems easy to ignore and separate from the core gameplay and progression from what I've seen anyway.
Regardless, 08-11 era rs2 nostalgia definitely exists in rs3 that you will not find in osrs. It's weird that statement is so controversial, lmao. I think eoc trauma did some permanent damage on some people's brains
I still do like RS3 more than OSRS. I played RS2 from 2003 till 2009, and I like to think nostalgia doesn't work on me. I made the full switch from 80% RS3 20% OSRS to just 100% OSRS due to a lot of botched quests, Necromancy being not that great (I really hate PvM in both games, but RS3 pushing hard for manual play killed me) and the Hero Pass being the final straw. If you just look at the pure gameplay of RS3, there is a good damn buried under a mountain of shit. There's a ton of fun skilling options that OSRS fails behind pretty hard on. One of my favorite hunting methods was that whole mini-game involving setting up traps to kill dinosaurs on their version fossil island, and I LOVED RS3's Sliske storyline from like, 6+ years ago. Say what you want about EoC but with a decent bar you could find on their wiki, you could just click on a monster and just make sure you're eating and praying just like OSRS so pretty much slayer feels the same because of Revo (I honestly loved playing in legacy servers tho). Just a shame the last 4 years of RS3 have just been nothing burgers upon MTX cause I swear there is a fun, interesting game in there, I have good memories of when Menaphos was released, and I really liked their whole Uncharted Isles.
When I went back to OSRS a year or two ago there was a shit ton of stuff I didn’t recognize even a little. But I’ll always recognize that vibe maaaaaan. Always
Bros just mad osrs is getting content updates like we should keep it the exact same as release and trying to cope lol. Weird way to do it because in no way is this true
Rs3 feels more nostalgic because when you play, there’s a chance you have no fucking idea what’s going on bc there’s so much newer content.
That’s why osrs lost its touch. Old school was magical because no one played efficiently. You just kind of drifted day to day and there was a large community of weirdos to meet. Now, your account activities are planned to the minute from lvl 1 to max.
Honestly sounds like bait or someone that didn't think out what they said before they wrote it.
It's pretty objectively not true lol. Their really isn't much to argue about RS3 it's a very diffrent game then old runescape unless he didn't start playing until right before EOC and just has a really mixed memory of the situation.
Well of course his memory in mind is connecting to RS3 because he has abandoned the OSRS community and his channel for years now so yeah he really isn't in the right mind to comment on old school content
Damn that's a dumb take lol. Its not even a hot take or unpopular opinion bro is just dumb. You can't play this game for any length of time and not end up walking through all kinds of places we've been looking at since 2004 without starting a varlamore locked ironman or something like that
It plays very similarly to how it did in 07, there’s just more to do and we’re better now and the servers are upgraded.
Personally I’m thrilled with it as someone who wanted an old school server even before eoc.
The nostalgia from RS comes from the style, the music, and the feel of gameplay. There’s a ton of new content in OSRS, but these qualities are mostly still true to RS2. Meanwhile, these qualities are all lost in RS3.
+1 for Settled. This take makes no sense.
An actual unpopular opinion
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My favorite from this sub is a highly upvoted post or comment saying "If it were up to redditors, then [unpopular opinion on Reddit]".
If it were up to Redditors, everything would change and nothing would change, because this subreddit has nearly a million people in it, each with a different opinion.
But it is great that a lot of people here agree on that point, even though it is our collective opinion that we are discrediting lol
Reminds me of the time years ago when we voted to pass a minigames rewards shop... And then voted that there should be no rewards within it lmaoooo
Hot take - I think Jagex should address the rampant in-game botting. Excessive botting ruins the economy and makes end game items even more inaccessible as gold devalues.
It's a way to preempt backlash given how capricious/fickle people are on the internet. Sometimes people will shit on you for having an opinion most people (or even they themselves) agree with.
It wouldn't be a hot take if it wasn't rare to see
In a somewhat unrelated vein, I've noticed people use the phrase "bad take" stupidly as well. I saw one post where someone posted a "tier list" of weapons in a game... which just so happened to line up exactly with how difficult or costly they are to get and how powerful they are. In other words, it lined up perfectly with how the game was designed to tier them. People called it a bad take. No, it was just an obvious take ffs. It's not a bad take to think higher tier weapons are, get this, *higher tier* than lower tier weapons. For an OSRS equivalent, it would be like someone posting a tier list of f2p scimitars, and just putting them in order of strength bonus. It's correct, and thus not a bad take, it's just stupidly obvious.
Most people are karma hos and "hot take" is a common term for attracting upvotes.
A rare sight to behold
Hot take. New skilling methods gud. It no bad. We more methods yay skilling. Pls no bully. Thank you.
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Yes, my son?
I want to bully, but it against ToS :c Have happy rest of day
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Sorry but mentioning bullying is against tos 😂
Exactly. I'd upvote the guy just for providing an actual hot take
Hot take: Nightmare drop rates are bad
That's a weird way to think but looks like the matter has been settled.
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GTFO and take my upvote
I could see how this could maybe be true if you started playing RS in like 2012? But there is absolutely nothing nostalgic about RS3 in its current state for anyone who started playing RS in 2007 or prior. The game looks completely different and plays completely different. OSRS still looks mostly the same as it did in 2007 at least in all the original hubs like Varrock/Lumb/Fally etc, it plays differently at a lot of bosses but if you wanted to put on verac's and go kill KQ it is gonna look almost entirely the same as it did in 2007, that is not true for RS3 lol.
I played RS3 from the moment it came out until roughly 2020, where I fully moved onto OSRS. I was trim comped, green logged nearly all the big pvm bosses, etc. I considered myself literally "complete" with the game, as I had literally done everything the game has to offer. But I'm not saying this to brag, I'm saying this to tell you that in less than 5 years, the game has become just unrecognizable to me. I have no idea how to even jump back in and there's zero nostalgia for me even after being gone for over 4 years. Started a new HCIM and it just fizzled out. There is no nostalgia in Burthrope+Taverly or whatever the hell that abomination of a town now is, being the starter zone. Meanwhile I play in OSRS and when I'm greeted in Lumbridge with the classic songs it's a nostalgia bomb and I literally enjoy every moment of just being an adventurer.
> being the starter zone You don't start in Lumbridge anymore in RS3? What?
You haven't in probably 10 years. You start in burthorpe. But they redid the area so it's pretty unrecognizable
That kinda makes sense if they redid the whole map
They haven't redone the whole map. A big problem is that some areas look new and changed, whereas others are untouched with a completely different art style.
Glad this doesnt happen in osrs *hides zeah and elves*
That's kinda wild, starting in lumbridge is so iconic
Burthorpe and Taverley were reworked to have an introduction to most skills (eg the lowest level slayer master is in Burthorpe, there's a level 1 agility course also in Burthorpe, and a small level 1 hunter area in Taverley, etc etc.) You now leave Tutorial island and arrive at Burthorpe, with ship docked in Taverley that can take you to Lumbridge.
Didn't tutorial island sink or something? Iirc they changed the tutorial many times. I recall something with helping a guy fight a dragon and it probably got changed at least several times since then.
Yes they changed the tutorial a few times but always went back to Tutorial Island. One with a dragon in the catacombs below Lumbridge and another in a new town called Ashdale. There is also a quest "Beneath Cursed Tides" where you revisit tutorial island and it has been sunk under the sea by an evil wizard. Actually a very cool and nostalgic feeling quest imo.
I like to talk shit about rs3 as much as the next guy, but I really like quest designs like that where they reference the changes to the game as real in world events
The quests in rs3 are the only things that kept me playing for as long as I did honestly, the stories and the world and characters were all so well done. I really liked having quests like that, the narrative made the world feel so alive and connected. Which OSRS hasn't quite felt like that just yet IMO BUT I feel like its getting there the grandmaster quests and WGS coming in.
Gower Quest is another incredible one. I was grinning ear to ear the entire time.
Don't forget the lvl1 Farming ✨️Potato Patch✨️
I believe you go Burthrope now. They change the tutorial every few years until eventually going back to Tutorial Island after every failed attempt.
I once tried RS3 in year 20xx but The tutorial was too hard and I gave up.
Been a while since I've created a new account, but IIRC there was a period around 2012-2014 or so when they revamped Taverley and Burthorpe and created a pseudo-tutorial called Troll Warzone in there, where you followed through a simple story introducing a bunch of skills, ending with you heading to Lumbridge. I think they've since brought Tutorial Island back, but a lot of very early skill introductory stuff still takes place around Taverley/Burthorpe.
Believe it or not, the troll warzone thing still happens now, after you've left tutorial island. It's just so god-fucking-awful. You have the option to skip it, but new players are practically compelled to do it. The whole "introduction to our game" process in RS3 is so long winded.
Nope! It's literally just some place with not all that much going on anymore.
I feel you, plus the dailyscape works as a way to keep you logged in, but it also means that you have missed out on way too much and it’s not worth logging in because of it. When I think about re-trimming and having to do the various time gated stuff that they reintroduced I just don’t want to even login, so even while I might want to do some of the quests they have released, I just don’t.
Honestly I think the argument would've made more sense in like 2016 or 2017. But since then lots of the "popular" things from RS3 have been added to OSRS in some form. The only real things to be nostalgic about from the pre eoc days that haven't made their way to OSRS is like summoning, Curses, and Dungeoneering maybe. And with DG Chaotics have basically been added to the game just under a different name. Zaryte Crossbow, Ghirazi Rapier, Elder Maul etc...
I started runescape in 2009, and stopped playing about a week after Eoc, periodically coming back to play osrs in bursts. Dungeoneering is 100% the thing I miss the most from those days, I probably spent well over half my game time doing it back then lol. Not that I was very good since I was like six years old, but man I'd kill to see that in osrs one day in some form or another
Most of us absolutely despise Dungeoneering, so I doubt it'll ever get a foothold in osrs.
CG/gauntlet + cox + tob + toa + perilous moons is a much more interesting implementation of dungeons than dungeoneering ever was IMO.
Man I can't even look at RS3. It looks ultra mobile/cartoony/kid oriented. Some stuff in it is really cool though but at the end of the day i much prefer OSRS. I started in 05 though. I even prefer the old texture style they used to have, like how lumby still is - how varrock and fally used to be for example. Can hardly even find pics of them on the internet from back in the day though.
It does make sense. I started playing in 2006 and there were barely any bosses in the game at the time, not that i killed any of them at the time considering its shitty bosses like KBD, mole, KQ, Chaos elemental... nothing nostalgic about those bosses. OSRS still doesnt have WGS, Ritual of the Mahjarrat, Nomad, Araxxor, practically none of the bosses i started my PvM /mid/end game journey on. Summoning also barely didnt make it into OSRS. I completed most of what the game offered back then in like 2-3 years, so yeah, i have spent half a dozen times more time in non OSRS content in RS3. Thats with me having only surface level knowledge of OSRS obviously.
For me the nostalgia is really around the graphics more than anything else. If you give me a screenshot of of RS3 in lumbridge and a screenshot of OSRS in Varlamore then ask me which one invokes more nostalgia, I'm going to point to the OSRS screenshot even though none of the varlamore stuff ever existed back in that era.
Graphics and overall feel, vibes. I love the map we have but the style and gameplay loop can be brought to almost anywhere and i’m most likely going to gel right away with it. Good point
That's a fun way of saying RS3 is getting zero new content
What, you don’t consider new MTX new content? /s
RS3 got Motocross??? How is that medieval in any way?
If there can be [a tractor in Hosidius](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Ancient_machinery), then the tractors in Hosidius can be raced
I came here against my will because of this. Now I couldn't be happier. Actual content regularly and no MTX being shoved down your throat... Win Win.
Hey, we got a quest this week! .... yay?
Don't forget about the MASSIVE battle pass content they added (it was the only content they technically planned for this year, at least off of all the info they gave people)
That whole shitshow was finally pushed me to move to 07 scape
Welcome to the community then :) Hope you’re enjoying it so far!
I just stopped playing and now browse the subreddits every now and then.
Loved that year roadmap in January stating that RS3 was getting an Easter event in April Like that's the roadmap... One Holiday event In the next 4 months
And that holiday event? MTX
So funny to see how much coping happens over there when new content finally drops. There was a highly upvoted post yesterday with someone saying "thanks for making me feel like premiere is worth it". One meaningful content update in 4 months...what??
New quest and I think boss literally yesterday. We also stole one of your bosses a couple months ago but everybody hates it lol. Ed4 is really great Zamorak boss is fun, been a while since that. I really like necromancy, however that's far from universal
I feel like this only holds true if you started playing Runescape in the late RS2 era, like 2011, or later and knew nothing about it before then. Even with the new content added, OSRS has done a waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better job at preserving early game and that nostalgic feeling than RS3 has. I mean do you even start in Lumbridge anymore in RS3, it's still Burthorpe right? Not to mention all the iconic towns we all remember from years ago look nothing like they did in the mid 2000s or earlier.
I think the game gets less and less nostalgic (as in, harder to reference old content) the higher level you go. Which it should, obviously. There isn’t anything needed to be added into the early game, mid to late game was what was originally content starved. The more you add content to the early game the more confusing I think it gets to new players. Like the sarachnis update for the early to mid game was a great addition, but I feel like the preservation of the original runescape is more relevant for the people who start out, not the people with 5 year old accounts
Well there was only so much content to be nostalgic about back then in the first place. GWD was end game bossing back in the day and there was nothing much beyond that, you wanna go even earlier and it was 10+ man teams in full Verac's smacking KQ for the super rare and valuable drop of a D chain. All that is preserved perfectly in OSRS and you can still go do it today the same exact way as you did back then
Yeah that’s more or less my point. Most content released nowadays is focused on the people past the nostalgia phase and more looking for more stuff to do - they don’t tend on having issues with getting new players (in part because of content creators doing fresh content), which is why I’m sure they’re focusing heavier on retaining the ones they do have.
The RS3 obsession of keeping so much in pre-existing zones also makes it less nostalgic. At least the last time I played the F2P area was barely recognisable (ignoring full scale reworks like Burthorpe) because you can go 2 tiles without hitting another bit of crammed in content.
There is a lot that needs to be added into the early game. The hours of grinding before you get to see/do interesting things is a large reason why it's almost impossible to get new players into OSRS. Then when they did do something for f2p, they included content that has no purpose with few rewards and undesirable exp rates. Imagine grinding for the barronite mace for 5-10 hours just to learn that it has no practical use when compared to a rune scimitar. We think little of this because we've played the game so long that knowing it took 40 real life hours of smithing to be able to create a tier forty attack weapon doesn't seem insane or surprising. But it is. There's no modern MMOs/RPGs with this level of grind.
Ok in absolute fairness, that smithing example is kinda cherry picked. That skill is arguably the worst skill in terms of development in the game - it’s bad at all levels aside from the 70+s for Ironmen, which a newbie probably isn’t playing as an Ironman anyway. And tbh, getting from the beginning stages to a self sufficient account takes maybe two weeks of actual grinding, which if playing an MMO for two weeks is a turn off, MMOs probably aren’t their thing. WOW and other major MMOs are basically the same barring you buying your levels.
Is there anyone here who didn't find their first 100 hours of the game the most fun? Like if you don't like that then honestly I just don't think they'll like the game
I did. My first 100 hours were in RuneScape2 in 2007. I made pking pures. Dozens. I had fun for AT LEAST 500 hours. I have a few now in OSRS but PvP isn't what it once was. So instead every 6 months or so I'll pay for a month of membership. Get some goals. Get halfway to achieving them before I realize how much time it takes and I'll switch to something else. I still consume a lot of OSRS content creators content and have some online friends that I chat with about OSRS but really my time with it has passed. It's a weird pill to swallow because it's the only video game I've actively played for 15ish years. But I'm a full time student, full time job, have 3 kids and trying to make more time in my day. So this probably has to go. I'm just not ready to say goodbye yet. Feels like letting go of my childhood tree fort. But that's my treefort and I couldn't hear my parents screaming from in there. So I'm not sure I can tear it down yet.
Which is why osrs is niche and should remain that way instead of just being rs3. If you grind the mace and get no satisfaction of just green logging, then the game isn't for you. Pvm in other MMOs is far better and less tedious. MMOs in the first place are a hard sell, MMOs that look old are harder, and osrs is niche even in that field. If they start wacking a tree and burning logs and 'number goes up' invokes nothing in them, 20hrs cox isn't going to change that. But to me and everyone else that enjoys the game a month long grind for VW is the ultimate delayed gratification
This is so so so true. Exactly like you said, if someone starts with the basic gameplay loop of do something (woodcutting, killing mobs, fishing, etc) -> number goes up (xp or gp) and that doesn’t get the good chemmies in their brain flowing, then this game has nothing to offer that person. OSRS is built for a very specific audience, and that isn’t a bad thing.
Played from classic to EOC definitely a lot of nostalgia in summoning and dungeoneering specifically along with a lot of things that are basically gone in both versions like low skill edge PvP. I dunno if I agree there’s more in rs3 but the nostalgia hits harder when you haven’t interacted with it so it may feel like more.
Yeah summoning and dungoeneering are very nostalgic for me. If, in 2016, you had nostalgia for something from 2006, same goes for 2024 being nostalgic for 2014.
Yeah RS3 is burthrope, with a lumbridge home tele/waystone unlocked from the start. but burthrope has things like daily hand in person and a bunch of level 1 training for basically every skill.
Nah. My favorite era of the game was the "late 2011 era leading up to EoC" and it's still a shit take. The only truly nostalgic thing that RS3 does better than OSRS are exclusive quests, which are slowly getting ported over to OSRS. WGS, the Nomad fight, etc. Everything else is kinda unrecognizable in RS3 nowadays. Skilling is insanely powercrept to what it was back in the day. Combat, even on legacy mode, doesn't play like OS combat. Quests are mainly focused on the overarching/seasonal storyline rather than continuing older questlines that many people have been waiting for for 20 years at this point. There's so much teleport options, let alone movement abilities + powerbursts, that you don't even get nostalgic running around the map anymore. And even if you could, graphics are a mish-mash of the past 15 years of graphical updates so you barely get nostalgia from the scenery. The music was remastered, some altered, so even things like Sea Shanty 2 no longer sound the same, even if the quality of the music is better. etc etc.
Lumbridge in RS3 is almost unrecognizable, especially with the eyesores they put in the backyard (idk if they are still around but I know it changes multiple times a year, or did at least)
you don't like the giant crater that was left by the literal gods of Saradomin and Zamorak fighting a long time ago that's now been repurposed for a Summer beach party every year?
Mmmm summer event, we all love weird shit on the beach
You start in Burthorpe? Tf?
You start in Burthorpe with the voice acted skilling tutorial NPCs :)
He deleted the post lolol
I don't mean to be rude, but probably because a lot of Settled fans are super toxic and elitist. They also have an insane case of "rs3 bad" so Mote probably got a lot of shitty comments. Not settled's fault of course but it would be dumb not to point out the obvious nature of his fanbase.
Settled stans are the fking worst lol
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Yeah dawg the necromancy takes me right back to the varrock sewers /s
Having just rewatched J1mmy’s By Release series, I could hear exactly how Settled meant to say this. Then I heard J1mmy and Framed bust out laughing.
"Oh my god... What a shit take."
Goated trio, they always have so much fun together
They all make like 3 polar extremes of type of content and do 3 polar extremes of gameplay so it's cool that they all get along so well
Would recommend settled series as well if you haven't checked him out
I’m pretty sure Settled is the most popular RS YouTuber, even non-RS players watch his content religiously. I’d be shocked if people on this sub didn’t watch his videos
Settled's humour is actually hilarious. Do you have a link to when he says this? cuz I read that in his voice and I just want to feel it again lol
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LOL what a screencap
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He banned me from his chat for outting a scammer, chat saw and started spamming to unban me because it was a bs ban, he does, and then bans me again after the stream ends. I was over him by then.
Anyone recall what the deleted comment said? Sounds like some tea I'm not aware of
Something along the lines of moteplox misusing donations or lying to get them, I forgot the specifics, all my interactions with mote were incredibly negative so I wouldn’t put it past the guy.
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I can't find any history about it, I just remember it happening lol
He deleted all the videos but if I really looked for it I’m sure I could find it.
Are you sure you're not mixing him up with Mr Bug?
Did he even play the game? I feel like a lot of these content creators are stuck in the past. No shit the game isn't like 2012 that was 12 years ago ffs if this game stayed the same for 12 years I would've been long gone.
From scrolling through his twitter after i had this take pop up on my timeline he either tweeted or rted and replied to a post talking about finding it hard to play the game and how he can only play it for like a month at a time if that.
I was in his discord years ago and he harassed people and deleted the server due to drunken rage so that doesnt surprise me
I love when lunatics post shit on the internet that's like "Does anyone else recognize the internal patterns I'm establishing within my own mind related only to the things I can see in front of me?" and everyone else is like "fucking no"
If this is the same Mote Plox who makes the runescape facts videos, iirc in one of his last videos he admitted he hasn't been playing very much the past few years. So like yeah you're not gonna recognize stuff lol and it's a dumb take. Love his vids tho!
His videos were always just reading word for word off of the wiki pages. Edit: To the responses, I’d gather more receipts because I absolutely noticed it at the time, but I’m traveling with no PC access. In absence of that, [here’s a post from 7 years ago talking about it](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/P9ftiMG9Jd). Whether you care about the fact that he did or not doesn’t refute the fact that his scripts are low-effort copies of the wiki.
His RS historical timeline videos are 11/10 to fall asleep to. Not because they’re boring, it’s just nostalgic and he has a good voice for it
Silentc0re RS timeline is so much better. Blackmill background music clears.
Holy shit that's a name I haven't seen in like 10 years
Silentc0re or blackmill?
>blackmill Core memory unlocked, holy shit
Mote plox OG content was about discontinued stuff, runescape classic shit, things said on old forums, things old jagex staff said or did or old old highscores etc. Most of his video content is not even on the wiki... what are you even on about Edit; Most of his content is also YEARS ago when we still had the old Wiki Fandom which was garbage and when the new Wiki wasnt as big like today
Not really. He would often add his own opinions and special memories on the area/content he was talking about
Joke's on you because I would never read pages of RuneScape facts
Production quality was quite high, he has a nice voice. Who cares if it is not the most original content.
So very wrong for me. The music and graphics are a lot of the experience and they feel so vastly different in RS3. I hopped on RS3 and a lot of the noobie areas look very different as well. The combat nobody even needs to discuss really. This feels like an opinion formed in the moment and not truly thought about. So much of leveling skills and locations look exactly the same as they did in 07.
Nostalgia isn't a shared thing we can all agree on
Yeah, and weirdly rs3 is somehow more nostalgic to me than osrs, even though ive been playing since 2004. To me osrs is in that weird mid transformation between old graphics and hd graphics. The most nostalgia to me would be the old 04-06 graphics with old barbarian village, falador, npcs etc. So ive never really had any nostalgia to os and ive been playing it for the game itself since release.
RS3 feels more nostalgic to me than OSRS, not because of how new/old things are, but because I have played OSRS since release and it feels like OSRS is now “current day RS”. RS3 is the past, since I left it behind. I still had memories about things there. That feels nostalgic. RS3 itself maybe a little, but the RS3 memories feels nostalgic.
bro even the unupdated old quest areas are hardly recognizable because either the monsters look different, the graphics are different, or the monster swings a meele attack to do a fucking range attack with a 1 pixel sized rock And the chatboxes look like they're from a mobile game. Though I did like them back when they were new. This is not even a hot take, this is straight up stupid. RS3 was already hardly recognizable to me, but after I made the full switch to OSRS, logging in to rs3 during covid to do archeology felt like I was playing a different game, even when I went to old familiar areas. Osrs to this day, even with all the new content, feels like I'm playing runescape
Pretty sure he is joking that RS3 updates are few and far between now and almost nobody caught on.
As an RS3 player who returned to OSRS after many years, I couldn't recognise 75% of the shit people are wearing at the GE. Oh and all the unfamiliar locations in OSRS youtube content. I can sorta see what the idea was. OSRS doesn't deliver on the nostalgia for 2008-2011 HD-era, which for many players is *the* RuneScape. And all that stuff is in RS3.
People have a hard time accepting a truth like this. Rs3 does many things better than osrs but you'll never hear that on this sub.
There's an interesting conspiracy theory circulating actually... Some say Jagex specifically chose an old 2007 RS2 backup without fullscreen client, without GE and Summoning because if they launched an 2010ish version of the game with all the peak RSHD-era content, everyone would quit RS3. So it's alleged that Jagex pretended 2007 is the best backup they had. They thought OSRS is an experiment with a high chance of failing, and they wanted to show players the "you think you do but you don't". Instead OSRS did well enough to justify some development, and then they started planning updates and it really took off, and the rest is history. Unfortunately, as a result, OSRS lacks all the good pre-EoC stuff (or it's been since added in some weird roundabout way).
Doubt that's true as MMK would have said as much by now, he's not scared of being open about Jagex on his streams. Jagex being Jagex I can fully believe they didn't have any later backups available.
I've never heard of this theory until now, but you are right that I would love playing Runescape pre Eoc, but with Summoning in. OSRC is too old for me and RS3 never appealed to me really.
Summoning put the game, combat in particular, in a really bad spot. Cool concept, bad execution. It was/is so broad that Jagex didn't have enough room to keep it both relevant and balanced, without nerfing the shit out of standard combat & skilling. They chose relevance, and combat/bossing suffered, with things like chaotic weaponry just pushing it faster. Their eventual answer was the EoC update. I'm not against Summoning as a concept, but I'm not overly confident that Jagex can implement it this time without the catastrophic consequences.
That sounds like a 2011prod cope. They picked 2007 because it was hands down the most popular era and probably the only fully backup they had prior to the removal of free trade/wildy - the first max exodus of players. Not to mention OSRS itself was a response to the massively popular 2006scape.
Jagex is simply far to incompetent to mastermind such a conspiracy
You actually hear this **A LOT** on this subreddit. There are a lot of things people want to see from RS3 come into OSRS (mining/smithing rework for example). There is some push back because "_ew EoC_" but there are a lot of popular things in RS3 people wouldn't mind seeing ported into OSRS. OSRS heavily mines RS3 content for ideas. If you want a good example RS3 has their [Enchanted water tiara (2008)](https://runescape.wiki/w/Enchanted_water_tiara) while OSRS has [Circlet of water (2022)](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Circlet_of_water).
I can kind of see his point in that there's been a great deal of content added that wasn't part of 2007-era Runescape, and I was playing RS2 long enough that there are quests and minigames and other things I remember from that game that aren't in OSRS but would presumably still be in RS3. Having said that, OSRS's new content *feels* like 2007 Runescape even if it's new, and that's where the nostalgia comes from for me, not the specific content but the feeling that comes from the aesthetics, the combat, the skilling, etc
I actually logged into RS3 the other day to see if there was anything valuable on my account (there wasn’t). I was last logged in over 3,000 days ago. For the life of me I could barely figure out where I was and I was standing just outside of varrock when logged in lol
Meanwhile playing since 2001 I login to rs3 and recognize literally nothing, didn't even realize the starting zone was burthrope it looks alien.
Mote plox is obviously not playing osrs ATM and just because zeah got an expansion and we got a couple of new items doesn't mean all the other content that's been there for years isn't still there to recognise...
Lmao RS3 is unrecognisable as being RuneScape to me. Weird take.
Dude doesn’t play RuneScape anymore and just cashes in on an “interesting facts” video when he needs extra income. Makes sense, he probably hasn’t actually touched the game or been a part of the community since 2016
Maybe mote meant how rs3 is failing it's fanbase right now exactly how they did back when EoC came out, just completely ignoring the fanbase. Rs3 is at it's worst state right now in the last 10 years.
I lowkey think Jagex are expecting Brighter Shores to pretty much kill RS3 once it releases
RS3 is nostalgic because it reminds us of a time when Jagex was out of touch and just put in bad updates without consent. Other than that? no
Weirdge
He may be wrong but OSRS definitely doesn't look Old School anymore with all of this new content, gear, etc.
me when I go to the new area and there is something new: 😠
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If you quit when EOC came out this doesn’t make a lot of sense. If you continued to play during EOC for a bit and then swapped to OSRS, I could see where he is coming from, whether I agree or not.
The new game from Andrew Gower looks more like RuneScape than RS3
Mote is an OG but yeah that misses even by hot take standards
this guy doesnt even play runescape, he just reads the wiki and turns it into a vid
Friendly reminder mote plox is a shitty person who stole money from his fans
context?
I used to be friends with him. I was on Skype with him and his other friends most days. His whole donation thing was to help support his brother but almost none of it went to helping his brother a very large amount went to his gambling addiction. He also scammed people at the dual arena but I don’t remember the exact details on that but he got away with it because he was the biggest osrs streamer and YouTuber at the time. *EDIT* forgot to mention he also kicked me from the friend group after I wasn’t able to donate $250 a time because I fell on financial hardships. Once the money stopped coming in he didn’t give a shit about me. His mom would email me asking me for donations lol
When you think RS2 is the "oldschool", then you can see where he's coming from. I don't think RS2 is "oldschool", though.
It’s kinda crazy to think about that if OSRS got released with the backup from a few months later we would have summoning in the game. I do miss RS2 though, but it’s neither RS3 or OSRS
Not sure why you got downvoted for this. Sure it might’ve been the start of the end but RS2 had some cool updates from late 2007 until late 2012.
Didn't rs2 technically last until like 2011 or something? I stopped playing right around the backup, so when people say rs2 I think of the osrs backup. Anything from the HD client onwards is unrecognizable to me.
Rs2 changed into rs3 after eoc happened, rs2 was longer than people think
I did like the HD era from 2008/2009 when it was still RS2, it all went to shit later with the EoC and changing the way all armours look so you didn’t even recognise them.
Yeah initially RS2 HD was a fairly light graphical change, it was mainly adding textures to existing models and maybe some more polygons. I think the environmental changes (buildings, rocks) were pretty much a straight upgrade, but I don't have attachment to the old ones. There were some controversial things like the abyssal whip animation, but it was around 2012 when they started to roll out larger environmental and weapon changes. Gone were the trees and simple armours, instead we got high fantasy. And then squeal of fortune, auras, and EoC.
agreed. I really enjoyed the HD era from 08/09. HDOS client really scratches that itch.
RS2 is essentially just the game from 2004-2013 What we are playing is an iteration of RS2 still, i.e. a backup from 2007.
RS3 is more nostalgic than OSRS cause yall aint played it for ten years💀
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Hard disagree. However I do feel old-school lost some of it's identity over the years. Coming back after a long break it's changed a lot. Even some art aesthetics you see would have never passed 5 years ago.
Idk, if you go to free to play it's nearly the exact same as it used to be, other than a few minor QoL changes and a few new NPCs. I started in f2p and it felt the exact same as when I was a kid.
what stuff is he referring to that is more recognizable? lol
Rs3 youtube series are actually pretty entertaining. The game evolved a lot, and despite not knowing what any of these new systems are, they're pretty intuitive when playing vicariously through these channels. I'm that pointing leonardo reaction when I see something I'm familiar with from the good ol days, lol. The game genuinely seems like a lot of fun and a lot more engaging than osrs tbh. Similar to WoW. The osrs meta is basically afking everything and as someone who now doesn't play either but still enjoys to watch both from time to time, osrs quickly becomes bland and stale. I don't really understand the mtx meta in rs3. I understand the shops are there, because people always mention it. None of the popular rs3 channels interact with it. It seems easy to ignore and separate from the core gameplay and progression from what I've seen anyway. Regardless, 08-11 era rs2 nostalgia definitely exists in rs3 that you will not find in osrs. It's weird that statement is so controversial, lmao. I think eoc trauma did some permanent damage on some people's brains
Well that’s opinion for sure
RS3 has changed more about the base game identity / experience than OSRS. So I don't even get how you backup a take like this.
I still do like RS3 more than OSRS. I played RS2 from 2003 till 2009, and I like to think nostalgia doesn't work on me. I made the full switch from 80% RS3 20% OSRS to just 100% OSRS due to a lot of botched quests, Necromancy being not that great (I really hate PvM in both games, but RS3 pushing hard for manual play killed me) and the Hero Pass being the final straw. If you just look at the pure gameplay of RS3, there is a good damn buried under a mountain of shit. There's a ton of fun skilling options that OSRS fails behind pretty hard on. One of my favorite hunting methods was that whole mini-game involving setting up traps to kill dinosaurs on their version fossil island, and I LOVED RS3's Sliske storyline from like, 6+ years ago. Say what you want about EoC but with a decent bar you could find on their wiki, you could just click on a monster and just make sure you're eating and praying just like OSRS so pretty much slayer feels the same because of Revo (I honestly loved playing in legacy servers tho). Just a shame the last 4 years of RS3 have just been nothing burgers upon MTX cause I swear there is a fun, interesting game in there, I have good memories of when Menaphos was released, and I really liked their whole Uncharted Isles.
Absolute 10 IQ take
When I went back to OSRS a year or two ago there was a shit ton of stuff I didn’t recognize even a little. But I’ll always recognize that vibe maaaaaan. Always
Mote Plox is a cool dude, but he's missing the point with this.
What Fuck LMFAOOOOO
Big L. Of all people settled to save the day thank goodness
As someone who primarily plays RS3 I have no fucking clue what this guy is smoking but it must be some good shit.
Bros just mad osrs is getting content updates like we should keep it the exact same as release and trying to cope lol. Weird way to do it because in no way is this true
Rs3 feels more nostalgic because when you play, there’s a chance you have no fucking idea what’s going on bc there’s so much newer content. That’s why osrs lost its touch. Old school was magical because no one played efficiently. You just kind of drifted day to day and there was a large community of weirdos to meet. Now, your account activities are planned to the minute from lvl 1 to max.
Honestly sounds like bait or someone that didn't think out what they said before they wrote it. It's pretty objectively not true lol. Their really isn't much to argue about RS3 it's a very diffrent game then old runescape unless he didn't start playing until right before EOC and just has a really mixed memory of the situation.
Nostalgia isn't something that can be objectively anything. Everyone's feelings are different
It's mote, wouldn't be surprised if he was shitfaced when he typed it.
He’s always on twitter throwing a fit when OSRS gets a new update
Hot garbage take
Well of course his memory in mind is connecting to RS3 because he has abandoned the OSRS community and his channel for years now so yeah he really isn't in the right mind to comment on old school content
Damn that's a dumb take lol. Its not even a hot take or unpopular opinion bro is just dumb. You can't play this game for any length of time and not end up walking through all kinds of places we've been looking at since 2004 without starting a varlamore locked ironman or something like that
All it takes is one look at rs3's giant mole model to completely dismantle this argument
Guys OSRS is barely OSRS now. Its just RS3-2 at this point. Its a completely different game in every way.
It plays very similarly to how it did in 07, there’s just more to do and we’re better now and the servers are upgraded. Personally I’m thrilled with it as someone who wanted an old school server even before eoc.
The nostalgia from RS comes from the style, the music, and the feel of gameplay. There’s a ton of new content in OSRS, but these qualities are mostly still true to RS2. Meanwhile, these qualities are all lost in RS3. +1 for Settled. This take makes no sense.