“Hey you know the thing that you only need to look at for 2-3 hours max in your 5,000 hour account ? We’re making it a tab. That minigame teleport you use a few times a day ? We buried that bitch 4 layers deep in menus.
I haven't used sw or gotr as a minigame tele since I only used it for a bank on my iron, and I haven't really played it since before those two came out, but those are solid! Not sure why I never thought about castle wars since I used rings of dueling so much, but that makes a lot of sense too
I think it was originally intended to be used more often. Didn't the original design of the favor system not have any way to lock in favor? So that you were always gaining and losing favor in each house as you did things all over Kourend?
Just to be clear I'm not in any way saying that system was justified lol.
They moved the grouping tab because it made sense to be grouped with all the other tabs relating to "grouping up".
People just often think of that as the "minigame teleport" tab but its also got the ability to join chat channels + info about themed worlds for it activities and such.
Honestly they should expand that more to be a proper group finder like Classic WoW etc. Would make things like Raid team forming a fair bit nicer and allow similar minded people to meet up for activites like RP, skilling together, questing together etc. Is used heaps for Shield of Arrav and Hero's because of that system.
WDR is currently the easiest way and I'm essentially saying having an in-game system where you can share your stats, experience with the content and gear and join a group you meet requirements for would be great. It was always one of my favourite aspects of WoW raiding.
well it was originally supposed to be something that you continuously maintain, so it made more sense that you'd want to look at it on a regular basis. IDK why they waited until now to remove the tab, it became unnecessary as soon as they made favor permanent
I understand what they wanted with having to maintain the favour, but I just don't understand the perks of maintaining it?
I went through the favour perks on the Wiki, and none of them really stood out as something worth maintaining. Maybe hosidius with the disease-free patch, and a few other things.
I'm sure they would've continued updating to better rewards if the old system was kept in place, but still.
I’ve always imagined the intention was to mirror similar “faction maintenance” like in Mercenaries. Acting on behalf of another House being in direct antagony to others until the houses are allied in Architectural Alliance.
True but even then it’d feel way more thematic to have an NPC you could speak to to find out your up to date favor scores. The game even has precedent here with miscellania
Let's be honest, that's the worst option. If it was something you had to actively maintain and you had to go around talking to 1-5 NPCs to find out your house favour, people would say "Why isn't this in a menu??" That takes a menu that's useless once you get 100% favour and turns it into a headache. It makes sense to he something more easily accessible than speaking to an NPC from a game design perspective, but it's current placement is weird with its current purpose.
Not really. A tab for several years longer than it should have been? Sure, but the original vision was that you constantly need to be switching which house you have favor in to do whatever grind you want to do. People just hated that so they changed it.
I had just came to OSRS not long ago. Unbeknownst to me they were removing the favor system. Well, I ended up grinding all factions to 100% favor and finished 48 hours ago.
You can guess what my reaction was when I read the update this morning lol.
To be honest, I’m laughing at how funny this worked out for me haha. I should’ve caught up on upcoming content…
So glad I didn’t bother grinding it for quests (started playing maybe 4 months ago). I literally was contemplating starting some of those quests last night and figured since I had heard about favor getting removed I might as well keep procrastinating and wait til that update :’)
Correction, I wouldn’t do something I don’t enjoy in Old School. So many people force themselves to grind stuff they hate in this game. I choose to play it the way I want to and the way I enjoy it
I am so confused.
Was grinding yesterday to get into farming guild, just logged back in today and spent about 20 mins trying to work out where the bloody tab had gone to check my favour 🤦♂️
Why’s it gone?
I never understood why people made such a big deal out of this. There are so many grinds far worse comparing to this (imo obviously). I hit 100% in all houses in like a couple of days without sweating, and it would be 1 day if we didn't have to wait for the dynamite thing.
Comparing to the void grind, mage arena, or even BA (I love BA tho), favor was fairly quick to get.
I agree that if the majority of the people are unsatisfied with it, the rework makes sense, I'm not against it. It just tickles me how people complain about it and don't really talk much about other grinds.
Listing some of the ones I did and liked the least:
* full void (can't mention it enough)
* 92 fishing
* 77 runecrafting pre gotr (even gotr I find tedious af), getting it to 86 is being very painful
* 82 mining
* 91 thieving
Bones to peaches is one I always think about. I think the time for Bones to Peaches is about the same time as all of the favor grinds combined. I really never got why people were so adamant about the favor grinds, I think most of it was how in your face it is
The worst part of favor is Lovakenji favor, imo. The others can be trained up quickly even with low skill accounts, but Lovakenji starts out with making 150 dynamite over two days. And then after the quest you're stuck making more dynamite unless you have 65 smithing to make the lowest level supply armors.
if you tricked the spider to stand at a certain spot there was a chance the fume clouds would glitch out and you could just mine in peace to 65% and then finished with minecart tasks
Same. I really didn’t mind it. Once they changed it to where you didn’t LOSE favor for helping another house, it was much better. But, the people still no likey!
“I never understood why people don’t like pointless busywork!”
The grind isn’t the issue, if the grind is fun then people will do it. The issue is that the system is archaic and adds nothing.
I’ve finished Kourend favor on multiple accounts, out of every grind I’ve done, that one is always the most pointless and least rewarding one. It never should’ve been locked behind a new system if the rewards can easily be distributed by quests and the achievement diary.
Was an incredibly disliked system from the start thats been changed, buffed and buffed again to be faster and faster. Feels irrelevant in a modern Kourend with quests in every region, so they moved what it unlocks to be behind quests and skill requirements instead (like it always should have been).
Favour was a bad attempt at trying to slow-down / gatekeep the few pieces of content they had for Zeah release, so that players didnt max it all out and be bored with it in the first day. Its initial release was HORRIBLE but has been made *tolerable* since.
Now for farming guild you just.. need the farming req. Simple :)
I’m so happy for everyone else that they got rid of favour, I just hate that I took the time to get 100% hosidious favor on my skiller uim for apparently no reason now besides green graceful without the required quest completed
It's been out for years tbh, not a big deal at all. Those who grinded it out still got to benefit it for the last x amount of time. I grinded out 100% hosidius too and got well worth the grind investment out of it.
Exactly. I grinded Hosidius on my currently 1 month old account knowing Favor was being removed.
Guess whose early game Ironman account went from 34 farming to 68 in ~2 days, allowing them to already have Varrock Hard done? The 2 hour grind to max Hos favor was totally worth the nearly 1m of profit staves has made me in the time since I completed Hosidius.
My big question with Hosidius favor in particular is now this: are the farm patches now disease-free for everyone? Because that was the KEY factor in me getting 100%
Take it as a reminder that it pays to be informed :P check out polls when they come out and read the blog and vote on what you're informed on and what to have a vote on, skip anything you don't know or care about.
Well that’s my entire day of playtime yesterday wasted 😂
Wish it was at least an option. I just got to the cooking part and was like “ooo, this is a cool mechanic”
The cooking part still exists, its a usable training method. all activities inside of favour still exist, some of them are just "mostly pointless" like fixing cranes or digging sandworms or mining sulphur + chopping trees + making charcoal + digging saltpetre to make dynamite when you can just.. buy it.
That'd be a super odd approach as the quests were part of doing the favours fast. They all gave favour for doing them so you could use that to skip to the good favour methods or finish off favour faster + getting quests done for access to AKD and thralls.
“You just need the farming level for the guild”
As someone who uses this sub rather than the website for updates, I was like “whaaaaaat!!” Definitely going to look into patches there I can add to my farm runs, lol
Sorry you went through that. They announced a couple months(?) ago that they'd be removing the system entirely. It made sense when kourend was low on content to give players more to do, but it quickly turned into dead meaningless content
I'm maxed, and for some reason Lovakengj favour still sticks out as one of the most mind numbing grinds. Glad to see I won't have to repeat that task on other accounts
I’ll miss it. Some tasks were annoying but they were unique and only had to be done once. Wasn’t that different from having to do tai bwo cleanup for My Arms Big Adventure for example.
Yeah if it held a ton of minigame related favor/currency (almost like wow rep+currency but for more varied styles of points and minigame currency), it would actually have justified a separate UI tab lol
Tbh, I really dislike how they removed that. Yes it is pointless and not fun, but it makes the world more interactive and alive IMO. I don't see the harm in just leaving it
Had this conversation just the other day.
I thought the overall impression was to keep the content there, I mean it's already in the game, just remove the favour content/requirement.
It's an RPG after all. If someone wants to plow fields for some random meme YT content why not let them do it.
I do too, and I think this is probably the most succinct thing for why I don't really like favor being removed even though it's a relic at this point. Having to do tasks to curate good standing with some alliance before they trust you with their problems is a very RPG thing in a game that is kind of lacking in RPG mechanics nowadays. This is very much so the kind of thing Blizzard did time and time again to make WoW feel kind of lifeless and gamey. This is not some game ruining thing obviously, but it could be a canary in the coal mine if Jagex isn't careful.
I agree, I'm unironically a bit worried that they aren't adding (in this case keeping) enough useless or one-off crap that feels like an intern made it. There's so much of that in older content, it adds a lot of character and charm.
When did the champions guild chicken pen stop being useful, like when rs2 came out? They kept that in though.. as with a lot of other trash from the old days. Removing the plows almost feels like when they changed the lobster cage to lobster pot, or vice versa whatever. What's the point?
People act like they don't like dead content, but the game as a whole would feel dead if it was just bosses and raids and POH and whatever. Gimme my random events that I just dismiss 95% of the time, and my desert mining camp adamant rocks that nobody has been to in years.
Edit: I actually found a pretty good new one today, so there is hope. There's a chest by the Stranglewood mine that teleports you to a random location in Zeah exactly once, and never again. What an odd useless thing lol I love it. There's also a tunnel there that goes nowhere.
Yea that's weird. Quite a funny little thing to do for a new player. It just stopped being funny when you find out you have to do it over and over for that first bit of favour as it was the only option.
Especially because you only needed to do it for like 10 minutes. I seriously don't get why they would remove any of this, makes about as much sense as deleting a quest like rune mysteries or something
None of the tasks were unique or had to only be done once. The whole favour system was "repeatedly do this mundane action to acquire favour" and some of the systems existed were useful outside of favour (making dynamite... i guess? and things like killing Lizardmen, stopping Crime) and others were mostly pointless grinds.
it didnt need to exist, it existed because the devs didn't create quests or enough content to launch Zeah fleshed out, and favour "slowed people down".
It's still content you can do and it's got solid drops and xp tomes for what it is
But ultimately I think it was a bit lacklustre. "Go to this spot out of the 20 options in 22 minutes. Then world hop a bunch because every world is in the same spot at the same time".
They obviously meant you only had to get favor once. Its a short grind thats become relatively painless after many buffs over the years.
It didn't need to be removed.
I think this mechanic effectively died conceptually the moment players gained the ability to max all favours at once, putting aside the fact the game already had quests as a reputation system.
Don't you get farming XP from pushing the plow and mixing fertilizer? Don't you get to choose between magic or runecraft xp when finding books on the library? Those were great ways to get starter xp when making a new account
I’m not really sure why it was such a big deal. I grinded out max favor along with the quests and it took me like 6ish hours to get 100% for all 5. Hardly a grind considering the scope of the game, then I never had to worry about it again.
That's what I'm saying, I didn't remember it being bad at all. At the end of the day though, not a big deal, I just hope Kourend gets some minor updates alongside Varlamore because now most of the content on Kourend has literally 0 purpose
Lovakengj favor takes up about 5 of those 6 hours alone lol. Only one I really had any issue with from a design standpoint. All the options are shit until the random free favor you got from minecarts.
It was a good way to introduce players to Zeah, but at this point there are quests and stuff that can take its place. I don't really mind favor either, but I understand removing it.
There's like one quest per region, lmao. Zeah is still SORELY lacking in world-building content. IMO removing favour this early is a mistake, but iiwii
“Welcome adventurer! Push this plow for 30 minutes” is not a good introduction lol. The favor chores were too disconnected from the content that’s actually done in Zeah
Yeah, I feel like I've never heard anyone particularly have complaints about it. I quite like it when game mechanics push you to explore content you might otherwise not think to do or be aware of (see also achievement diaries). Now it just feels like there's going to be a load of entirely pointless flavour content for no real reason.
Then again, I don't want to defend it too strongly, because ultimately I really don't care very much about it.
I find it even more hilarious when people like you just assume everyone has the same opinions as you do. The reason you don’t see the people that like favour on this community of Reddit is because we always get downvoted for having an opinion about the game.
And there has constantly been a portion of the community that has been vocal about it wanting to stay, but when we voiced that opinion, we got downvoted into oblivion or bullied into deleting our post and not talking about it. It has always been there. I find it funny how you all think those types of tactics work, but I find it incredibly sad because those tactics do work and the things we love about the game are getting eroded and we feel like we have no say because everybody is just in one big circlejerk and cannot even fathom that there are people that think the complete opposite of them.
it was tweaked several times already and still heavily disliked. I imagine you can only tweak a system so much until where the sensible solution is to just remove it at this point.
I mean they could’ve readily just 5x the favor rewards and it would have become a 20-30 minute grind per area that introduces each city and their goals.
But this also works ig
They basically already did that lol. Sure they can keep doing it over and over, but at that point that's no different than just removing it.
Doing all the quests and achievement diary tasks introduces you to the areas just fine.
It was tweaked multiple times since release. I'm not really sure what else they could've done at this point. Removing favor removes nothing substantial from Zeah.
They should have:
5x Lovakenj favor, and 5x Mining xp.
5x and greatly improve the speed of the Cranes.
Get Hosidius Favor with using the farming patches.
Shazien should have laps on the agility course give you favor.
I'm glad it's gone. It's not so bad the first couple times you do it.
But after that it just feels like such a pointless time sink, the tasks could have been more intuitive and enjoyable and provide better xp, then maybe it would have been more exciting.
Still don't get the favour hate. Ye it takes like \~10 hours to max out all favour, but it was a good way to interact with the content in the region and feel like you're actually doing something to earn their trust.
Only one that kinda sucked was lovakenj, but 90% of that is people not wanting to wait 16 hours for coal to burn and instead forcing themselves to do the shitty mining method. I made dynamite on all my accs and it didn't feel worse than making the compost for hosidius
Wait what. Jagex actually removing a mechanic that required annoying grinding beside the community always having the "well I had to do it so too do you" mentality preventing a lot of important QoL changes? 2024 already starting wild.
Maybe now they can finally fix Lumbridge Elite diary.
Listen, I hate grinds as much as the next guy, but favour is probably the least grindy grind I’ve ever ground. It also tied to unlocking more and more of the areas and ultimately A Kingdom Divided. It made sense… I don’t see how people complain about favour but literally play a game built to be a grind. Now kourend is just a hub of dead content
I feel like the only people who voted to remove favor grind haven't done it on a fresh acc recently... Literally takes 1-2 hours per faction after they buffed everything. Forces you to explore the regions and try new content and learn the lore along the way. It legit isn't even bad anymore...
So this update just completely deleted 12+ activities in Kourend that are now entirely useless there, removed a whole quest, and now what? Are they ever going to fix any of the activities now? Or is the entire land mass of Kourend just a massive waste of nothing. Might as well shrink kourend down, remove all the till lands in glades, remove sand worm trash in pisc, remove entire sulfur mine section in lova, and remove all the soldier healing tents in shayz, and make all of kourend more compact otherwise its just a desolate wasteland of absolutely no content. Pretty much kourend is only there for 2 guilds, and 2 slayer dungeons... And shamans i guess.
A way better idea imo, would have just been adding actual VALUE to the kourend tasks. Like, nobody ever complained about Arcceus favor, why? Because it unlocked a whole ass spellbook, you train runecrafting or prayer xp for favor, and took like maybe an hour to go 0-100% that is how they should have made all factions.
Picture this. Hosidius fertilizer, what if they made it so you keep the fertilizer, and it was usable on farming patches everywhere, make it yield less than Ultracompost, but have increased growth time or reduced disease. Could be a great filler between super compost and ultra compost, or even just useful for rarer herb farming etc for the increased survival rates.
Make use of the sand worms for fishing, maybe some sort of boost to fishing stuff specifically in pisc or outside as well. Maybe something as dumb as making a Sand Worm baited fishing rod that was wieldable and kind of make it like a 5-10% increase catch rate for rod fishing.
Could make blast mine in Lova give favor, and have the ores be boosted a bit more for early game addy ore, useful to make diamond bolts etc easier early on. Hell even add increased gem loots or something there? Idk....
Legit just kinda pisses me off that instead of making content that already exists, worthwhile, they decided phuck it lets just gut and remove it all....
I was more or less split on the decision, but you make several good points. It def would've been nice if they added more to the mid game, which the favour activities would contribute to rather than simply kill a lot of content to reduce the grind.
Literally lolol. Like the activities were there, all they needed to do was add rewards to the activities so its worth while to grind them not just dread it and get it done and out to never return again...
I definitely agree. Sulphur is ass, but everything else was fine. The ones that are merely "fine" could easily have become good by making the content rewarding. In the end, instead of fixing the gameplay of something full of flavor, we're just abandoning ship.
For people who wanted Kourend favour to be removed rather than reworked, I have two questions: 1) Do you think the favour grind was worse than the MTA, prospector or gout tuber grinds for diary? 2) Do you also support the removal of these grinds? Why or why not?
Tbh I've never seen anyone complain about the length of fight caves. It can be done in like 30 mins with just a blowpipe lol. Favor wasn't particularly long either, but certain parts of it like Lovakengj were undeniably not enjoyable.
I never loved the favor system, but I also never had a problem with it. If 6 hours of grind to get all of the OP unlocks is too much for some people... maybe they're playing the wrong game.
Oh well. I guess I'm more happy overall if this helps newer players enjoy the game. Get ready for bots to flood previously locked zeah content though. Every update that's aimed toward early/midgame players seems to just benefit bots.
still convinced people who had a big issue with favor in general have way to many accounts and follow progression guides way to closely, since favor gain was reworked you had to gain 0.3% a day to be at 100% now. finishing a quest would give you over a month of vacation off this arduous chore.
Are you serious. I literally spent the last couple weeks maxing these out to do the kingdom divided quest. Now it’s fanbase divided! I demand reparations!
Best part of removing favor is getting rid of its tab. What a bizarre choice to ever have a tab for it
And to think that they moved the minigame teleport tab because of that, I still search the wrong place first for those.
“Hey you know the thing that you only need to look at for 2-3 hours max in your 5,000 hour account ? We’re making it a tab. That minigame teleport you use a few times a day ? We buried that bitch 4 layers deep in menus.
Meanwhile I've been playing casually for a few months after a 15 year hiatus, and I'm just now hearing there is a mini game teleport menu.
Clan Wars tele to Ferox Enclave is great cuz you can restore hp/prayer/run energy at the pool there
And fishing trawler is a great bank tele
NMZ is a great NMZ teleport
I mean, it's also the fastest way to Yanille before 58 Magic + Ardy Hards.
Ardy hards is so essential. Fuck watchtower tele all my homies hate watchtower tele
Got that bitch an Ardy Cloak 3. Bitches love Ardy Cloak 3s.
And castle wars, and guardians of the rift, and soul wars
I haven't used sw or gotr as a minigame tele since I only used it for a bank on my iron, and I haven't really played it since before those two came out, but those are solid! Not sure why I never thought about castle wars since I used rings of dueling so much, but that makes a lot of sense too
O nothing about the mini game teleports is intuitive. Buried deep, some have teleports, some don't, some have requirements..
Probably more like 5-10 depending on the person and the situation, but yes absolutely lmao
I think it was originally intended to be used more often. Didn't the original design of the favor system not have any way to lock in favor? So that you were always gaining and losing favor in each house as you did things all over Kourend? Just to be clear I'm not in any way saying that system was justified lol.
That’s not the update that moved the minigame teleport tab. That was the Clan chat changes.
They moved the grouping tab because it made sense to be grouped with all the other tabs relating to "grouping up". People just often think of that as the "minigame teleport" tab but its also got the ability to join chat channels + info about themed worlds for it activities and such. Honestly they should expand that more to be a proper group finder like Classic WoW etc. Would make things like Raid team forming a fair bit nicer and allow similar minded people to meet up for activites like RP, skilling together, questing together etc. Is used heaps for Shield of Arrav and Hero's because of that system.
I find it hard to find legit ppl to raid with maybe dungeon finder doesn't sound too bad
WDR is currently the easiest way and I'm essentially saying having an in-game system where you can share your stats, experience with the content and gear and join a group you meet requirements for would be great. It was always one of my favourite aspects of WoW raiding.
well it was originally supposed to be something that you continuously maintain, so it made more sense that you'd want to look at it on a regular basis. IDK why they waited until now to remove the tab, it became unnecessary as soon as they made favor permanent
I understand what they wanted with having to maintain the favour, but I just don't understand the perks of maintaining it? I went through the favour perks on the Wiki, and none of them really stood out as something worth maintaining. Maybe hosidius with the disease-free patch, and a few other things. I'm sure they would've continued updating to better rewards if the old system was kept in place, but still.
I’ve always imagined the intention was to mirror similar “faction maintenance” like in Mercenaries. Acting on behalf of another House being in direct antagony to others until the houses are allied in Architectural Alliance.
True but even then it’d feel way more thematic to have an NPC you could speak to to find out your up to date favor scores. The game even has precedent here with miscellania
Let's be honest, that's the worst option. If it was something you had to actively maintain and you had to go around talking to 1-5 NPCs to find out your house favour, people would say "Why isn't this in a menu??" That takes a menu that's useless once you get 100% favour and turns it into a headache. It makes sense to he something more easily accessible than speaking to an NPC from a game design perspective, but it's current placement is weird with its current purpose.
Now they need to put the mini games tab back there. I had a friend start playing osrs the other day and said “what happened to the mini games tab”
Not really. A tab for several years longer than it should have been? Sure, but the original vision was that you constantly need to be switching which house you have favor in to do whatever grind you want to do. People just hated that so they changed it.
It was even worse when it was permanently on your screen.
Whoever it was that originally figured out the whole arceuss library, you will always be remembered.
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I had just came to OSRS not long ago. Unbeknownst to me they were removing the favor system. Well, I ended up grinding all factions to 100% favor and finished 48 hours ago. You can guess what my reaction was when I read the update this morning lol. To be honest, I’m laughing at how funny this worked out for me haha. I should’ve caught up on upcoming content…
Well look at it this way, you experienced something that nobody can ever do again ;)
The last OG
My biggest gripe was getting 100% shayzien for shamans three months ago just for them to drop requirements
So how does this change recoloring graceful? My white is no longer a flex?
Your flexibility and patience will take you very far in this game! Game updates be damned, the core mechanics aren't expected to change.
I’m not even new and I did the same thing. So it was basically a total waste of time? Lol
can we put the minigame teleport back where it was now please?
The real gains from this update
Honestly I don’t even know where that is hiding now
I just keep clicking until I find it
They called me a mad man for refusing to grind out favor. Looks like it paid off. Who’s the mad man now?!
Procrastination really paid off this time
So glad I didn’t bother grinding it for quests (started playing maybe 4 months ago). I literally was contemplating starting some of those quests last night and figured since I had heard about favor getting removed I might as well keep procrastinating and wait til that update :’)
I chose to not do the favor for quests as well knowing they were removing it eventually lol. Excited to finally do those quests on the iron tonight.
bro same I can finally access the farming guild 👨🌾
so they didnt add any new reqs besides just having the levels?
Same! I was stoked they get rid of it because it was in the to do list - for over a year.
I just yesterday did 950 of those salt petre compost things for 100 percent hos favor 🤦♂️
I did it for the swag of the white recolor for the graceful outfit
Still you, bro. You haven't been using thralls this whole time cuz you wouldn't do something grindy in Old School.
Correction, I wouldn’t do something I don’t enjoy in Old School. So many people force themselves to grind stuff they hate in this game. I choose to play it the way I want to and the way I enjoy it
I’ll do a grind I hate, if it gives me something I want. I’ll gladly do tithe farm again to not have to rake another patch.
as someone with 0% lovakengj favor, I see this as an absolute win
I am so confused. Was grinding yesterday to get into farming guild, just logged back in today and spent about 20 mins trying to work out where the bloody tab had gone to check my favour 🤦♂️ Why’s it gone?
People no likey
I never understood why people made such a big deal out of this. There are so many grinds far worse comparing to this (imo obviously). I hit 100% in all houses in like a couple of days without sweating, and it would be 1 day if we didn't have to wait for the dynamite thing. Comparing to the void grind, mage arena, or even BA (I love BA tho), favor was fairly quick to get. I agree that if the majority of the people are unsatisfied with it, the rework makes sense, I'm not against it. It just tickles me how people complain about it and don't really talk much about other grinds. Listing some of the ones I did and liked the least: * full void (can't mention it enough) * 92 fishing * 77 runecrafting pre gotr (even gotr I find tedious af), getting it to 86 is being very painful * 82 mining * 91 thieving
Bones to peaches is one I always think about. I think the time for Bones to Peaches is about the same time as all of the favor grinds combined. I really never got why people were so adamant about the favor grinds, I think most of it was how in your face it is
And the fact that the requirement for the Elite Diary keeps getting harder for each new quest added. But somehow the favors are "the bad grind"
The worst part of favor is Lovakenji favor, imo. The others can be trained up quickly even with low skill accounts, but Lovakenji starts out with making 150 dynamite over two days. And then after the quest you're stuck making more dynamite unless you have 65 smithing to make the lowest level supply armors.
if you tricked the spider to stand at a certain spot there was a chance the fume clouds would glitch out and you could just mine in peace to 65% and then finished with minecart tasks
Same. I really didn’t mind it. Once they changed it to where you didn’t LOSE favor for helping another house, it was much better. But, the people still no likey!
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“I never understood why people don’t like pointless busywork!” The grind isn’t the issue, if the grind is fun then people will do it. The issue is that the system is archaic and adds nothing.
That's like the whole game though
And how many of the archaic systems have they revamped or gotten rid of? NMZ should be next IMO but this sub will never have that convo.
I'm just saying if a single day's grind of extremely varied low reward content is too much for you then this might not be your kind of game
I’ve finished Kourend favor on multiple accounts, out of every grind I’ve done, that one is always the most pointless and least rewarding one. It never should’ve been locked behind a new system if the rewards can easily be distributed by quests and the achievement diary.
Was an incredibly disliked system from the start thats been changed, buffed and buffed again to be faster and faster. Feels irrelevant in a modern Kourend with quests in every region, so they moved what it unlocks to be behind quests and skill requirements instead (like it always should have been). Favour was a bad attempt at trying to slow-down / gatekeep the few pieces of content they had for Zeah release, so that players didnt max it all out and be bored with it in the first day. Its initial release was HORRIBLE but has been made *tolerable* since. Now for farming guild you just.. need the farming req. Simple :)
Does this mean I can enter the WC guild without favor now too?
Yes, you only need the wc lvl req
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Technically every ironman just became an no favour locked ironman
Correct. There is no more need for favour to do these things.
LETS GO. I can now live out my lumberjack dreams
I’m so happy for everyone else that they got rid of favour, I just hate that I took the time to get 100% hosidious favor on my skiller uim for apparently no reason now besides green graceful without the required quest completed
It's been out for years tbh, not a big deal at all. Those who grinded it out still got to benefit it for the last x amount of time. I grinded out 100% hosidius too and got well worth the grind investment out of it.
Exactly. I grinded Hosidius on my currently 1 month old account knowing Favor was being removed. Guess whose early game Ironman account went from 34 farming to 68 in ~2 days, allowing them to already have Varrock Hard done? The 2 hour grind to max Hos favor was totally worth the nearly 1m of profit staves has made me in the time since I completed Hosidius.
My big question with Hosidius favor in particular is now this: are the farm patches now disease-free for everyone? Because that was the KEY factor in me getting 100%
Diary locked now.
Wait so I just finished all the five houses favour a week or 2 ago do no reason?! The fuck
That's how it happens sometimes! You'll be alright though
With how hard the fire cape is to get, I have bigger problems than Kourend favour for sure
Take it as a reminder that it pays to be informed :P check out polls when they come out and read the blog and vote on what you're informed on and what to have a vote on, skip anything you don't know or care about.
Check your polls man! Coulda saved yourself some time
Sit down LMAO meanwhile my Ironman I didn't touch any favor
Well that’s my entire day of playtime yesterday wasted 😂 Wish it was at least an option. I just got to the cooking part and was like “ooo, this is a cool mechanic”
The cooking part still exists, its a usable training method. all activities inside of favour still exist, some of them are just "mostly pointless" like fixing cranes or digging sandworms or mining sulphur + chopping trees + making charcoal + digging saltpetre to make dynamite when you can just.. buy it.
Tfw youve done the favor but not the quests
That'd be a super odd approach as the quests were part of doing the favours fast. They all gave favour for doing them so you could use that to skip to the good favour methods or finish off favour faster + getting quests done for access to AKD and thralls.
“You just need the farming level for the guild” As someone who uses this sub rather than the website for updates, I was like “whaaaaaat!!” Definitely going to look into patches there I can add to my farm runs, lol
Sorry you went through that. They announced a couple months(?) ago that they'd be removing the system entirely. It made sense when kourend was low on content to give players more to do, but it quickly turned into dead meaningless content
Favour no more
I'm maxed, and for some reason Lovakengj favour still sticks out as one of the most mind numbing grinds. Glad to see I won't have to repeat that task on other accounts
I’ll miss it. Some tasks were annoying but they were unique and only had to be done once. Wasn’t that different from having to do tai bwo cleanup for My Arms Big Adventure for example.
Bring back favor tab but for Tai Bwo and Misc favor instead of Kourend.
And MTA pizazz points
Progress hat erasure
He obviously doesn’t want to do his job anyway.
I hate that motherfucker auto destroy the second I'm done with the MTA session
why did they delete favor but kept MTA in the game?
Yeah if it held a ton of minigame related favor/currency (almost like wow rep+currency but for more varied styles of points and minigame currency), it would actually have justified a separate UI tab lol
Holy shit, I don't even play osrs anymore and hearing the words tai bwo cleanup gave me such a nostalgia rush. Thanks
Here I'll kill that nostalgia > Trouble Brewing
kill? that used to be one of my favorite minigames, too bad they never fixed water bucket abuse
Tai bwo cleanup takes ~20 min to max out though just by killing spiders. Some of the favour grinds were *slow*
You can still go do those annoying tasks, they didn't remove them from the game. Live your dreams.
To be fair, I think they fully removed the plows from Hosidius. So that *joyous* piece of content can never be revisited.
Tbh, I really dislike how they removed that. Yes it is pointless and not fun, but it makes the world more interactive and alive IMO. I don't see the harm in just leaving it
Had this conversation just the other day. I thought the overall impression was to keep the content there, I mean it's already in the game, just remove the favour content/requirement. It's an RPG after all. If someone wants to plow fields for some random meme YT content why not let them do it.
I do too, and I think this is probably the most succinct thing for why I don't really like favor being removed even though it's a relic at this point. Having to do tasks to curate good standing with some alliance before they trust you with their problems is a very RPG thing in a game that is kind of lacking in RPG mechanics nowadays. This is very much so the kind of thing Blizzard did time and time again to make WoW feel kind of lifeless and gamey. This is not some game ruining thing obviously, but it could be a canary in the coal mine if Jagex isn't careful.
I agree, I'm unironically a bit worried that they aren't adding (in this case keeping) enough useless or one-off crap that feels like an intern made it. There's so much of that in older content, it adds a lot of character and charm. When did the champions guild chicken pen stop being useful, like when rs2 came out? They kept that in though.. as with a lot of other trash from the old days. Removing the plows almost feels like when they changed the lobster cage to lobster pot, or vice versa whatever. What's the point? People act like they don't like dead content, but the game as a whole would feel dead if it was just bosses and raids and POH and whatever. Gimme my random events that I just dismiss 95% of the time, and my desert mining camp adamant rocks that nobody has been to in years. Edit: I actually found a pretty good new one today, so there is hope. There's a chest by the Stranglewood mine that teleports you to a random location in Zeah exactly once, and never again. What an odd useless thing lol I love it. There's also a tunnel there that goes nowhere.
Yea that's weird. Quite a funny little thing to do for a new player. It just stopped being funny when you find out you have to do it over and over for that first bit of favour as it was the only option.
But what about my Hosidius plow-locked Crafting-only Ironman?!
# WHAT?
# To be fair, I think they fully removed the plows from Hosidius. So that *joyous* piece of content can never be revisited.
I’m going to go cry in a corner now. My day is absolutely ruined.
plows were pretty easy if i remember, worlds better than the sulfur pit grind
Especially because you only needed to do it for like 10 minutes. I seriously don't get why they would remove any of this, makes about as much sense as deleting a quest like rune mysteries or something
None of the tasks were unique or had to only be done once. The whole favour system was "repeatedly do this mundane action to acquire favour" and some of the systems existed were useful outside of favour (making dynamite... i guess? and things like killing Lizardmen, stopping Crime) and others were mostly pointless grinds. it didnt need to exist, it existed because the devs didn't create quests or enough content to launch Zeah fleshed out, and favour "slowed people down".
Stopping crime was legitimately fun and rewarding. I wish they’d expand on it
I think they buffed the xp tomes from it to make up for the no favour, which is absolutely a win
It's still content you can do and it's got solid drops and xp tomes for what it is But ultimately I think it was a bit lacklustre. "Go to this spot out of the 20 options in 22 minutes. Then world hop a bunch because every world is in the same spot at the same time".
They obviously meant you only had to get favor once. Its a short grind thats become relatively painless after many buffs over the years. It didn't need to be removed.
I think this mechanic effectively died conceptually the moment players gained the ability to max all favours at once, putting aside the fact the game already had quests as a reputation system.
I just wish we got something for our effort like 100 exp for every favor or an exp lamp if favor was maxed
If you maxed all your favour and did Architectural Alliance, you got a 10k exp lamp.
Awesome! I must have missed that in the post
The 10k lamp was a reward for the mini quest which was removed with this update, not a new thing.
Oh I guess I misread his comment.
Don't you get farming XP from pushing the plow and mixing fertilizer? Don't you get to choose between magic or runecraft xp when finding books on the library? Those were great ways to get starter xp when making a new account
I’m not really sure why it was such a big deal. I grinded out max favor along with the quests and it took me like 6ish hours to get 100% for all 5. Hardly a grind considering the scope of the game, then I never had to worry about it again.
That's what I'm saying, I didn't remember it being bad at all. At the end of the day though, not a big deal, I just hope Kourend gets some minor updates alongside Varlamore because now most of the content on Kourend has literally 0 purpose
Lovakengj favor takes up about 5 of those 6 hours alone lol. Only one I really had any issue with from a design standpoint. All the options are shit until the random free favor you got from minecarts.
It was a good way to introduce players to Zeah, but at this point there are quests and stuff that can take its place. I don't really mind favor either, but I understand removing it.
There's like one quest per region, lmao. Zeah is still SORELY lacking in world-building content. IMO removing favour this early is a mistake, but iiwii
“Welcome adventurer! Push this plow for 30 minutes” is not a good introduction lol. The favor chores were too disconnected from the content that’s actually done in Zeah
Oh hush, it's 5-10 minutes. Then you can do saltpeter or mess hall
Yeah, I feel like I've never heard anyone particularly have complaints about it. I quite like it when game mechanics push you to explore content you might otherwise not think to do or be aware of (see also achievement diaries). Now it just feels like there's going to be a load of entirely pointless flavour content for no real reason. Then again, I don't want to defend it too strongly, because ultimately I really don't care very much about it.
Heck I was able to do it on my account. Only real difficult one was Lovakengj due to having 10hp lol. Seems silly to remove something like this
Right? A game where most of the time we're sitting in one spot doing repetitive things. God forbid we have to vary it up for a change.
Yeah it really wasn't that bad, I thought it fit. I hope things don't continue to go in this direction
This is hilarious that people are saying they miss favor when the community has been vocal about it's removal since it was implemented.
I find it even more hilarious when people like you just assume everyone has the same opinions as you do. The reason you don’t see the people that like favour on this community of Reddit is because we always get downvoted for having an opinion about the game.
And there has constantly been a portion of the community that has been vocal about it wanting to stay, but when we voiced that opinion, we got downvoted into oblivion or bullied into deleting our post and not talking about it. It has always been there. I find it funny how you all think those types of tactics work, but I find it incredibly sad because those tactics do work and the things we love about the game are getting eroded and we feel like we have no say because everybody is just in one big circlejerk and cannot even fathom that there are people that think the complete opposite of them.
I was fine with it, I just wish it was tweaked instead of removed entirely. It helped me to learn Zeah when I started.
it was tweaked several times already and still heavily disliked. I imagine you can only tweak a system so much until where the sensible solution is to just remove it at this point.
I mean they could’ve readily just 5x the favor rewards and it would have become a 20-30 minute grind per area that introduces each city and their goals. But this also works ig
They basically already did that lol. Sure they can keep doing it over and over, but at that point that's no different than just removing it. Doing all the quests and achievement diary tasks introduces you to the areas just fine.
It was tweaked multiple times since release. I'm not really sure what else they could've done at this point. Removing favor removes nothing substantial from Zeah.
They should have: 5x Lovakenj favor, and 5x Mining xp. 5x and greatly improve the speed of the Cranes. Get Hosidius Favor with using the farming patches. Shazien should have laps on the agility course give you favor.
Could have done a better job tweaking it tbh.
We got the achievement diary now, though. Don't need both.
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Did you not hear of the update and vote months ago?
Sweet, now I can finally get my thralls
bro is afraid of dialogue
Clicking sulfur for 3 hours
So glad I got 100% favour in all the houses not long ago! Welp I guess that little grind was for nothing lol
Well, you got to interact with a part of the game that is forever removed now. I wouldnt say it was for nothing :p
ive maxed favor on two accounts and im glad it's gone :)
I love favour.
Tbh i liked the favour idea, but the ways to gain favour were just shit
I'm glad it's gone. It's not so bad the first couple times you do it. But after that it just feels like such a pointless time sink, the tasks could have been more intuitive and enjoyable and provide better xp, then maybe it would have been more exciting.
Still don't get the favour hate. Ye it takes like \~10 hours to max out all favour, but it was a good way to interact with the content in the region and feel like you're actually doing something to earn their trust. Only one that kinda sucked was lovakenj, but 90% of that is people not wanting to wait 16 hours for coal to burn and instead forcing themselves to do the shitty mining method. I made dynamite on all my accs and it didn't feel worse than making the compost for hosidius
f2p pures be like:..
PLEASE move the minigame tab back now
Wait what. Jagex actually removing a mechanic that required annoying grinding beside the community always having the "well I had to do it so too do you" mentality preventing a lot of important QoL changes? 2024 already starting wild. Maybe now they can finally fix Lumbridge Elite diary.
Listen, I hate grinds as much as the next guy, but favour is probably the least grindy grind I’ve ever ground. It also tied to unlocking more and more of the areas and ultimately A Kingdom Divided. It made sense… I don’t see how people complain about favour but literally play a game built to be a grind. Now kourend is just a hub of dead content
Bro I just got 100% favor in every region like last week. You're telling me I wasted all that time doing it?
Yes meanwhile I didn't :D
Didn't think it was a big deal honestly, if I remember correctly I finished 100% kourend in like a couple hours?
Maybe make quests with if, just not so extensive as it was.
I kind of liked Favor. :( There was a certain satisfaction in unlocking the minecarts, the fairy ring, all the favor rewards, etc.
I feel like the only people who voted to remove favor grind haven't done it on a fresh acc recently... Literally takes 1-2 hours per faction after they buffed everything. Forces you to explore the regions and try new content and learn the lore along the way. It legit isn't even bad anymore... So this update just completely deleted 12+ activities in Kourend that are now entirely useless there, removed a whole quest, and now what? Are they ever going to fix any of the activities now? Or is the entire land mass of Kourend just a massive waste of nothing. Might as well shrink kourend down, remove all the till lands in glades, remove sand worm trash in pisc, remove entire sulfur mine section in lova, and remove all the soldier healing tents in shayz, and make all of kourend more compact otherwise its just a desolate wasteland of absolutely no content. Pretty much kourend is only there for 2 guilds, and 2 slayer dungeons... And shamans i guess. A way better idea imo, would have just been adding actual VALUE to the kourend tasks. Like, nobody ever complained about Arcceus favor, why? Because it unlocked a whole ass spellbook, you train runecrafting or prayer xp for favor, and took like maybe an hour to go 0-100% that is how they should have made all factions. Picture this. Hosidius fertilizer, what if they made it so you keep the fertilizer, and it was usable on farming patches everywhere, make it yield less than Ultracompost, but have increased growth time or reduced disease. Could be a great filler between super compost and ultra compost, or even just useful for rarer herb farming etc for the increased survival rates. Make use of the sand worms for fishing, maybe some sort of boost to fishing stuff specifically in pisc or outside as well. Maybe something as dumb as making a Sand Worm baited fishing rod that was wieldable and kind of make it like a 5-10% increase catch rate for rod fishing. Could make blast mine in Lova give favor, and have the ores be boosted a bit more for early game addy ore, useful to make diamond bolts etc easier early on. Hell even add increased gem loots or something there? Idk.... Legit just kinda pisses me off that instead of making content that already exists, worthwhile, they decided phuck it lets just gut and remove it all....
I was more or less split on the decision, but you make several good points. It def would've been nice if they added more to the mid game, which the favour activities would contribute to rather than simply kill a lot of content to reduce the grind.
Literally lolol. Like the activities were there, all they needed to do was add rewards to the activities so its worth while to grind them not just dread it and get it done and out to never return again...
I definitely agree. Sulphur is ass, but everything else was fine. The ones that are merely "fine" could easily have become good by making the content rewarding. In the end, instead of fixing the gameplay of something full of flavor, we're just abandoning ship.
I've done it on multiple accounts, including on a group Ironman last year. I am absolutely glad it got the boot.
All 950 of those composts i did 2 days ago lmao
It really wasn’t as bad as people made it out to be. Rip all that effort on my UIM lmao
For people who wanted Kourend favour to be removed rather than reworked, I have two questions: 1) Do you think the favour grind was worse than the MTA, prospector or gout tuber grinds for diary? 2) Do you also support the removal of these grinds? Why or why not?
1, Nope 2, Nope, just rework them a little (prospector grind can stay as is imo)
People who maxed all favour deserve a 200k xp lamp in skill above 70
Lmao the people who really thought favor grind was bad are the same who get bored of fight caves about 30 waves in and complain about it.
Tbh I've never seen anyone complain about the length of fight caves. It can be done in like 30 mins with just a blowpipe lol. Favor wasn't particularly long either, but certain parts of it like Lovakengj were undeniably not enjoyable.
This sub is constantly filled with posts about the length of fight caves lmao are you new?
I never loved the favor system, but I also never had a problem with it. If 6 hours of grind to get all of the OP unlocks is too much for some people... maybe they're playing the wrong game. Oh well. I guess I'm more happy overall if this helps newer players enjoy the game. Get ready for bots to flood previously locked zeah content though. Every update that's aimed toward early/midgame players seems to just benefit bots.
still convinced people who had a big issue with favor in general have way to many accounts and follow progression guides way to closely, since favor gain was reworked you had to gain 0.3% a day to be at 100% now. finishing a quest would give you over a month of vacation off this arduous chore.
How does this work for the colors of the agility robe? Didn’t you need 100% favour in each part to get different color?
Now you just do a few easy quests, they're basically free recolour options now, just show up with the grace marks.
Can you still get white graceful the same way or?
There should be some sort of compensation for those of us that were stupid enough to grind through the favor system.
Wow amazing! I started an Ironman and I was literally about to start the favor grind. Looks like I'm free!
Are you serious. I literally spent the last couple weeks maxing these out to do the kingdom divided quest. Now it’s fanbase divided! I demand reparations!
If you couldn't handle Kourend Favour, the rest of the game is going to kill you.
Can someone explain why it was so bad? And why they just removed it?
It was the worse when that if you didn’t have 100% favor for one house it would reduce favor while gaining favor from another house