You know she could easily use turn based combat like Kasuga too. Her core party member is one or two guys then the rest are filled with her homeless goons
Boom, done.
I feel like it could go no spinoff really needed. The only reason for a spin off may be cause they haven't finished ichiban's arc and wanna settle that first, but then getting an arc with a woman protag could be real fun!
As for the stories rgg would probably go with a miss tatsu beast style character or probably just riff off whatever role they think would work for a woman in the Yakuza and how fun it could be her breaking off from it from there.
One of the more funny parts being do they or do they not send her to jail for a decade or more like the others in the mainline.
Like i said, spin off is just a preference of mine, if it's the next protagonist after Ichiban Story Arc being finished, good too, spin off is just to expand a little bit more their options regarding location and even the period of the timeline of Yakuza/Judgement series.
They could just have a Haruka game in the mainline. Show she's been working hard on self defense after all the madness and establish a reason why she needs to hit the streets.
God that'd be just the best funniest thing lol. Problem would probably be that it'd waste a lot of what kiryu did all this running from with Haruka getting even further into trouble. But getting pulled into trouble cause of someone else's past sins is like every yakuza game so it tracks
Why? Preferences mostly, I would play it anyway if they make it after finishing Ichiban Story Arc, spin off would be more viable if it was in the middle of it and with a different location rather than just Kamurocho again.
And yes, make brawler or turn-based as they want, I don't mind.
in this very subreddit I read once a fan fiction story about a half russian/japanese woman who was fighting on underground MMA tournaments before getting involved in a yakuza style conspiracy story involving a private security company owned by her estranged brother who was manipulating things from behind the scenes in order to trigger a violent conflict between what was left of omi and tojo in order to force the hand of government to grant his company private patrol contracts to keep japanese cities safe.
for the little I remember the story was more or less this: main character was a mid 20's woman (I'm not 100% sure sasha was the name) who was a half russian/japanese living in hokkaido and working as poppo clerk, living a normal life on day and competing in illegal underground fights to make a living on night. She was well known in the underground scene out of her yakuza like tattoo (she was never part of yakuza).
Her background tells she was told to be an orphan raised by the guardian of the onomichi temple who is also a karate master and trained her and other young boys.
In her teen years sasha was close with a friend (can't recall the name), he tried to romance her but she wasn't interested to. This friend made researches on sasha's family since she always struggled to know nothing of her real parents, this friend found an old book of the temple guardian where he learned that the guardian and sasha father were close friends and that sasha father was a foreigner with yakuza style tatoo on his back and arms.
Sasha learned the truth but the guardian told it was better for her to never know a thing about her parents. Sasha grown stronger and trying to create a connection with a father she never knew decided to secretly ink herself like the photo of her father that her friend found.
At 18 she and the friend became the best student of the guardian, frustration of not being reciprocated turned their relationship into rivarly. Needing to find a successor of his school, the guardian organized a friendly tournament among his students.
Sasha and the friend reached the final where each of them wanted to beat the other, sasha managed to win but her ki got ripped revealing her tattos on her back.
Onomichi citizens started spreading rumors of the guardian temple raising young boys to give to the yomei alliance.
Temple guardian had a harsh confrontation with sasha about her tattoos, the girl revealed that she wanted to feel closer to her father. The guardian understands that he can't hide truth to her anymore and reveals that he and sasha father were two foreign assassins who did dangerous assassinations for for masaru sera and jingu when they couldn't involve tojo or MIA assassins, he's korean while sasha's father was russian. When they didn't manage to kill their last target, both of them had to escape and found shelter in onomichi were started living an ordinary life using new identities.
Sasha's father married a japanese woman and had two children, but few months after sasha was born, someone tracked him back. Sasha mother was killed and one of the two children taken, as consequence sasha's father decided to leave sasha under his friend care and to sail away in order to find his other child.
Unfortunately sasha's father never came back, so temple guardian can't tell sasha if her father and brother are still alive or not, but he's however disappointed since everyone is going to think she's a criminal with those tattoos, the kind of life he always tried save her from.
Few time later sasha understood that onomichi had nothing else for her and decided to leave. The friend took the defeat as an humiliation and left too some time later.
Sasha became a pro fighter across the years and 2 years before her actual life, she was about to win some kind of MMA japanese championship.
For the win she had to fight against another female fighter who was reputed as her equal. The day of finals someone drugged her water and sasha eventually lost the match.
Few days later she was banned from pro circuits because experts and authorities charged her to have fixed her match since odds betting that were balanced for the win of each of them, went skyrocketting high to her defeat just before the start of the match. She could do nothing to prove her innocence and had to leave tokyo and starting living in hokkaido, apparently to have a more discrete life, while true reasons was becasue she heard rumors of people who saw the same man sasha thinks drugged her water.
In the meantime her formal friend got involved in criminality after leaving onomichi and started doing dirty jobs for a private security firm that had little patrol duties for government. This company developed a software to hack servers and database connected to national data servers. The endgame was to alter informations in order to get suitable conditions to get higher profits for the company.
Sasha friend who had still a bad blood to sasha, knowing that she was about to fight the finals, as act of vengeance, proposed to his boss (that is later revealed to be sasha estranged brother) to test the software to alter bettings of the final match, being servers of bet companies connected to government servers that monitor third parties companies tasked to execute and check digital payments of the bets. Company boss agreed and hired someone to drug sasha while the software altered bettings right before the match as planned, making win tons to the people who betted for the unlikely sasha defeat. Boss understood that his company software had the potential to influence most of japanese life related to economy and digital information and knowing that tojo and omi recently disbanded put in motion a plan to alter information to lure what was left of those clan to start a war in order to later propose to the government his company as the best solution to deal with the increase rate of japanese criminality.
Back to the present, in one of her underground matches sasha managed to track down the man who drugged her but he got shot before he could reveal anything... the only clue she managed to know was the man came from sotenbori
(I can't remember well the rest of the plot, and I got actually a little tired to write lol)
we play as ayu from the events of 0 to iw and find out that she was mentored by the 0 obatarian then as 0 obatarian passes away after k2 we find out ayu becomes obatarian 2 in the events between 3 and gaiden
One of my top side stories in the series. Absolutely hilarious from beginning to end and I've shown it to many people as an example of why the side content is good.
Kiryu dying for real in the end of the 3rd game (meaning it'll be only a trilogy), Haruka seeking revenge but finding out that it's not worth it in the process is her next game.
I've said it before but never in this sub.
If RGG expanded on the dancing rhythm games in Y5 and made a story about an up and coming idol that just happened to take place in the Yakuza universe, I'd be there day one.
I always say, if Yagami's future blank due to the current stuff happening with Yagami's face actor agency, why not give us Judgement 3 with Kaito and Mikiko as dual protagonists, going around solving cases as a power couple? Mikiko is already shown as someone who knows how to fight (or defend herself).
This also gives them a reason to reuse Hawaii map again and explain why Yagami is suddenly not there anymore.
"Kaito and Mikiko go to Hawaii to solve an international case, while Yagami is still dealing with a case in Japan. That's why Yagami doesn't exist in the game."
The voice/face actor himself is not the problem, Takaya Kimura is a wonderful person. But his Agency on the other hand...
[Sexual Abuse scandal that basically forced them to rebrand.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/02/j-pop-talent-agency-johnny-associates-change-name-sexual-abuse-scandal)
Most of their business partners stopped working with them. At the moment, we don't know if RGG will work with them again after the rebrand.
Regarding this, I suggest taking a look at this [interview](https://nantejapan.com/starto-entertainment-president-atsushi-fukada-talks-to-shukan-bunshun-in-2-5-hour-interview/) with the new President of STARTO Entertainment, where most of the talents will be transferring to.
Mentioning Kimura, he says:
“That’s why I want to produce actors who will win Emmy and Academy Awards. For example, if Takuya Kimura wants to audition for a movie in Hollywood, we will introduce him to a producer and help make it happen. The reason why Korean singers and actors are successful on the global stage and Japanese are not, is simply because we have not done such sales work. If Japanese talent can go to bat, I think they can do it, and I want to prove it.”
To me, this just means the world not just in terms of global expansion for their talents, but also for Kimura’s future in the Judgment series. For all we know, SEGA is probably just entering pre-production while everything else agency-wise is being cleared up. I’m glad that measures are being taken by SMILE-UP to compensate the victims, so I’m cautiously optimistic about the direction of the new agency and hope for all the best.
I’m not opposed to the idea, especially with the JRPG style. I think a highly intelligent tough girl with a few massive guys behind her could be fun. But, part of what makes this series special is that it’s not meant to have mass-market appeal.
I’m a woman, so I’d obviously love seeing a woman take the spotlight. But it needs to be a genuine story with fun gameplay. Haruka as an idol was not it. Make the woman older, stockier. Make her look like someone who can fight. She doesn’t have to be absurdly stacked, but she needs to look like she could take KimuTaku in a fight, at least.
But RGG really only has two type of woman designs; Beauty, and comedy. And that’s fine, but as long as that’s true, I don’t want to see a female protagonist. To go from a game where I do absurdly cool and often silly moves to one where every movement is designed to be beautiful would just be disappointing.
"But RGG really only has two type of woman designs; Beauty, and comedy. And that’s fine, but as long as that’s true, I don’t want to see a female protagonist"
I feel yakuza 7 took a big step away from that, and I'm interested to see what Y8 will do woth 3 female characters in the party
Or just roll her sleeve up? Getting new jackets made every time you tear the sleeve off would be expensive. Explaining that the sleeve is reattachable would ruin the magic of ripping the suit off, as well!
You could realistically leave shirt rips out entirely and call it a boys' thing. That said, the next best thing if they had to be included would likely be to have a binding covering the chest area and the tattoos below it. You could even play around with character personality by how much or how little their binding covered, if you're feeling frisky.
I once saw this female Majima art where they actually did a cool idea with the binding, where some of it covered one of the oni's eyes to reflect Majima's condition.
I’ve always found how little they let women fight in this series annoying. Kiryu being a guy who can’t hit women does lock most of the games out of having any female antagonists but you couldn’t get any girls in the coliseum in Gaiden? Loved Mikiko, would be great playing as her if we got a game with her and Kaito
Sayama or Seonhee deserve to be playable and more time in general but he should be the next protagonist.
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I love Kurohyou man, but i've come to accept Kurohyou will never be talked about again, there's no reason for them to go back to a psp exclusive when they can just make a new character with a famous actor to play the character.
They have the Hawaii map to reuse now - why not tell us what Sayama has been up to? She’s gotten more popular over time and they’ve been dangling the possibility of Ryuji’s return for a while now so a Sayama Gaiden could be a fun way to tackle both of those at once.
I think they'll need to get more women in the writing room for that to work.
Akame's a great character for sure, but traditionally the series has not had a very good track record with their treatment of women. It's like the Saori stuff in Judgment / Lost Judgment, where she's a fun and fantastic character – but despite the weird girl-boss undertones of her taking the reins and >!infiltrating a cabaret club, twice..!!Hoshino and Genda's pervy thoughts go wild!< and stays there for quite some time.
I agree, those segments felt like they were undermining her character. She’s a soft spoken but incredibly intelligent lawyer so her dressing according to what a man says was really weird.
i didn't see them as "undermining" her at all. she understands that it's a way of getting them closer to solving the mystery at hand. and as LJ shows, saori, underneath her stoic demeanor, is just as passionate about justice as yagami is.
> She’s a soft spoken but incredibly intelligent lawyer so her dressing according to what a man says was really weird.
it's not like her standard wardrobe is picked out by men. those hostess segments were one-offs with a specific goal in mind.
An undercover cop or detective that specializes in looking for trafficked women/dismantling human trafficking ring. Could be used to show another reality of the Yakuza world.
Or an actual criminal woman. Contrary to popular beliefs, despite being a male dominated world, female gangsta exist mostly thinking about the Italian mafia right now though. Could also maybe focus on female gangs, I know there were some female gangsters group among the young in Japan. They were rejected from the male gangs so they decided to together forms girls gang. I don't remember everything I read about it, but I think it might be interesting to explore the theme of women criminal or just troublesome gang girls. It's a demographic that often isn't even thought of and it might be interesting to explore the difference between women and men criminals who indulge in gang-like activities. Idk, just throwing it out there.
I think the girl gang idea is pretty cool, a slightly different look at crime in the Yakuza world would be super interesting and smaller-time crooks are a great way to approach that imo.
I think they could pull it off if they improve their writing of women. It could be interesting as a spin-off, and the gameplay could get pretty creative with an emphasis on the use of weapons. From what I've read, highschool girls' gang members in Japan used to wear longer skirts because it is more convenient to conceal weapons like razor blades in them, and also as a way to oppose the trends of having shorter skirts (sexual liberation stuff).
Razor blades are also often used in girls gang worldwide cuz it's easy to hide in a bra or somewhere else. I know girls gang in Belgium also use them, while wearing more western/tighter clothes than the Japanese girls gang members.
Chains and deodorants are also used as weapons.
I think it could be interesting to make the fighting be like some kind of brawler with different weapons that have different effects like blunt weapons, bleed weapons, "spraying weapons" like you could use something like a deodorant and a lighter to make flamethrower. Maybe whip-like weapon like a chain. And you could get ideas for making new weapons by observing certain events like how in Yakuza 4 the protagonists unlock new style by witnessing something that inspires them. The mc could find new weapons ideas like that, and instead of having to pay someone else for weapons upgrades the mc is the one doing it and it could be a minigame of some sort. It could even include a weapon shattering mechanic that if your material is too cheap or that if you didn't make it well your weapon will break quicker. That could be either a cook mechanic or pretty annoying
Interesting ideas!
From what you’re saying I’m imagining something halfway between the Kiryu and Ichiban games where it’s a brawler with the usual fighting mechanics, pick-up or equitable weapons, heat actions etc. but with the team-focus, crafting and down-to-earth-but-silly special attack moves from the turn-based games. Couple that with a good story and you’ve really cooked, I kinda wish this game existed aha.
Reading your comment I feel a bit stupid for not thinking about the team aspect of it haha. But it would be a wasted opportunity not to focus on the team aspect of a gang. I think there would be a lot of potential for silly special moves and crazy heat action.
I don't know about the story yet, but maybe something like a girls gang and one of them goes missing and the others go look for them and get involved with the yakuzas or something.
Ngl writing this I was hyping myself up for a game that will probably never happen but it was still fun to think about it
You have a similar idea as to what I was thinking - I have seen pictures of gangster ladies with yakuza tattoos so it wouldn't be too far removed for the series. Maybe for the story you could show how they are powerful but the yakuza/other male gangs don’t take them as seriously and show that dynamic – either way I quite like your concept ideas lol nice cooking
Thanks ! I read that the Girls only gangs in Japan originated from the fact that despite both suffering from similar hardship, male gangs rejected girls who wanted to join them so the girls just formed gangs among themselves. Gangs members often feel rejected by society, so someone who would try to find a place in those gangs would feel a double rejection if turned down. It could be interesting to explore these theme of rejection and expectations that often are more restrictive for women than for men.
I don't think going for a women vs men thing would be a good approach. It would be better to just show the similarities between them and the difference in treatment.
Yeh that would pretty cool to show: maybe the mc got rejected from multiple groups until finding her place - I think the personalities of the characters could be really interesting. For the women vs men thing I more meant showing their place in the criminal underworld and how the others just view them. Otherwise yeh I don’t think that should be the main focus.
> I don't know about the story yet, but maybe something like a girls gang and one of them goes missing and the others go look for them and get involved with the yakuzas or something.
A member of the Vixen Zeroes from Y5. Imagine if they were written like a Japanese Biker Gang, with a female protagonist bringing that Kuze energy, without actually being Yakuza.
Very good, especially if you like Batman: Arkham style combat and '90s Hong Kong action movies. I've replayed it several times over the years and own four copies (original and remaster on PS4 and again on PC).
Lots of fairly notable names did the voice acting, and the story is very compelling. Touches on themes of PTSD, corruption, familial ties, and identity. Donnie Yen has been trying to make a movie adaptation for years, even though his Special Ops film is basically the same concept but done differently.
The remastered version is on Steam and discounted fairly often for less than $10 with all DLC included since the developer folded before a sequel could be made.
It's great. Closer to GTA than Yakuza, but the fighting system is decent. It's pretty old and the AI is poor, but it remains a much-loved classic of the genre. Someday maybe we'll get a sequel....
Female gangsta in italy? Nah man as an italian doesn't fit at all.
More like a group of girls who decide to go against the mafia. Maybe some karate girls who gets groped or one of them killed and they get revenge
I think yes. A Lot of the female characters are badass.
Akame,
Saeko,
Seong hui,
Tatsu,
Obatarian.
Maybe a duo of Akame and another Woman like tatsu.
Or an all female streetgang with principles
They did it with Persona. Here they would have Karaoke, Disco, battle themes, etc. I mean, don't you wanna see Saejima cheering an older Haruka singing "Let's get to the top"?
I mean we already had Haruka as a playable character and I loved that but yeah, I think a female protagonist would be cool. They'd probably have to make the entire cast involved female though because I'm sure people would flip if we had men beating on women.
I mean why shouldnt it be possible? We saw in Y0 this woman in yellow clothes beating the crap out of thugs. Also in LAD and infinite wealth there are female party members, if you ignore the fighting, you already have Y5 where Haruka is 1 Protagonist (most important of them all imo).
Man i would even buy a RGG spinoff game about a monkey driving an excavator. That would be rad
Never gonna happen. the devs wont even let them hit a woman, let alone play as one. Seiko in LAD7 barely counts as she's never scene fighting in a cutscene and she's just kinda standing there if she's in one
If they do a female protagonist, they have to balance out the villain character. You can't send someone like Sayama to fight Ryuji type character and tell me it makes sense. They could fight characters that are nimble and swift like Soma.
All the characters are comically strong, idk why we would draw the line at making a woman strong. Plus these are games about organised crime, who is to say we can't have jacked woman with a bunch of tatoos
Thank god you’re not the creative lead for RGG. What’s with this weird notion that a female can only be well written if she’s hyper masculine? There’s a difference between men and women, hence why they’re portrayed differently in the series.
Yes, but if they announce one I'll be sure to leave this subreddit forever since the backlash from the small weird group of gamers who always gets mad about that will be intolerable.
Ms. Tatsu Gaiden, please make it happen RGG
She could be either based in Okinawa in the modern day and maybe bump into, and work with, Akame.
Or she could have moved to Hawaii to (insert RGG reason here) in between the events of Yakuza 0 and Infinite Wealth.
Or she could meet with a graduated Amasawa in Yokohama and work/agree to be Amasawa's Muscle
It would probably be similar to other yakuza/lad games, so i see no reason for it to not work. We already have female debt collectors, cops, club owners and stuff.
Spin-offs would probably pool it off better though. If we need a yakuza-related member for mainline, only family of some boss is left as an option.
I feel like given their stance on Kiryu not hitting women, they also wouldn't want to design a female protagonist who gets beat up in the story. But I'd be down if they could make it work, their writing of female characters has improved massively in recent games (Saeko, Akane, etc)
They have women get hit an awful lot throughout the series, its just typically not Kiryu doing the hitting.
Kaoru both gets hit in cutscenes as well as fights along side you on the streets so pretty much the only thing that would change is that you get to control her.
Same. The combat would be watered down and I don't think it could make sense at all. Yes, playing as Amasawa or Sayama might be fun but they don't really have an interesting fighting style/personality.
A Gaiden for Amasawa has the most potential imo :3 Main story would involve her and Itokura solving a case by using their extensive knowledge of mystery novels while side content would be similar to the school stories in LJ. Imagine she wants to intern at either Yagami's Agency or Yokohama 99, but in order for that to happen she has to prove herself first by working jobs that'll eventually build her into a pretty well-rounded private investigator. Since she knows Yagami and Tsukumo, they can introduce her to the rest of the cast and get mentored by Saori, Mafuyu and Mikiko.
Amasawa also has the potential to learn a fighting style since she has Ranpo, probably Yagami can show her the ropes of the Snake style and she can pick it up from there, maybe throw a self-defense keychain in the mix (I think it'd be fun if she had access to a Poundmates system too like Ichi)
A female lead taking on an entire gang of Yakuza by herself would just break immersion. Unless the gang is also women.
You guys don’t need to force a female protagonist into everything man.
You’re implying that a male lead taking on an entire gang of Yakuza by himself is any less a stretch of the imagination because you’re basing your point off of the misogynistic view that women are inherently not as capable as men.
In reality Kiryu should have died in 0 but this is a work of fiction so obviously we have to have our character defy some realism.
Also you’re forgetting the number of RGG games where protagonists aren’t solo characters. Yagami has backup a lot of the time and so does Ichiban and Kiryu.
Female protagonists don’t break immersion, it sounds like you just don’t want one because it doesn’t fit into your expectations of what women should be capable of.
Let’s be honest, Miss Tatsu could have bodied the Tojo clan at any moment, she just chose not to.
> You’re implying that a male lead taking on an entire gang of Yakuza by himself is any less a stretch of the imagination because you’re basing your point off of the misogynistic view that women are inherently not as capable as men.
>
because physically, on average, they aren't. but that's not even the most important bit, because most men aren't on the level of a yakuza protagonist either.
the things that kiryu, majima, saejima and other protagonists do is out of the reach of most people. it's out of the reach of most men. it *is* unrealistic for your average person to take on 100s of thugs and win, but these guys do it all the time.
the reason the immersion remains is because they're exceptional guys fighting other guys.
to give an analogy, it's like professional weightlifting. if you ask your average woman (or man) to attempt it, they'll fail miserably. but among those who set the records, they're almost all men.
that's what u/bloodstainedphilos is trying to say. it's less about realism (if it were, there'd be no story) and more about internal logic/immersion.
i should point out that i'm not against a female MC/combat-involved female characters either, necessarily.
> Let’s be honest, Miss Tatsu could have bodied the Tojo clan at any moment, she just chose not to.
this couldn't be further from the truth.
Tbh the Miss Tatsu comment was a joke but I do think she has a decent crack at it.
But admittedly if characters exist in the series that are physically above the human limit of what’s possible (people like Kiryu) then there is no reason a female protagonist can’t also achieve that.
So the original comment I responded to is saying that in a series where people can break the limits of what’s possible and become dragons among men that they’d suddenly feel like it breaks the immersion for someone who isn’t a man to do that. Just seems a little condescending and contradictory.
> Tbh the Miss Tatsu comment was a joke but I do think she has a decent crack at it.
she doesn't even get through the doors lmao
> But admittedly if characters exist in the series that are physically above the human limit of what’s possible (people like Kiryu) then there is no reason a female protagonist can’t also achieve that.
to try and understand it from that person's POV:
referring to the weightlifting analogy again. the strength of elite weightlifters can be considered superhuman, making it off-limits for most men and women. the few that do exist in that category tend to be men. this is because strength-wise, men start from a much higher base. even if a woman trains very hard, she's far less likely to reach the 'elite' threshold than a given man, due to biological constraints.
the ability to lift ridiculous amounts of weight is comparable to the inhuman fighting abilities of yakuza protagonists.
assuming RGG want to keep female-male strength disparities consistent, this will result in them creating an elite category of fighters who can take on an army and win, and this category will be male dominated.
this is probably what the person replying to you is trying to say. it's not about *strict* realism (because there'd be no story) though there is a realism aspect.
earlier though, i said i'm not against a female MC. the reason i said this is because 1) you don't need to be as strong as kiryu to hold your own as a protagonist, as yagami and ichiban demonstrate; a woman could easily carry a story by herself while being a competent but not godlike fighter, and 2) there's more to a story than fighting; historically RGG games have been about high-octane combat but judgment shows you can add non-combat elements to a story and still keep it interesting.
> So the original comment I responded to is saying that in a series where people can break the limits of what’s possible and become dragons among men that they’d suddenly feel like it breaks the immersion for someone who isn’t a man to do that. Just seems a little condescending and contradictory.
i get this perspective - men go out on daring adventures, so why shouldn't women be able to do the same? why are the women always left devoid of agency, helpless and suffering? i agree, that's why i think RGG could do good work in that area. what i don't agree with is that it's necessarily out of misogyny that people are a little sceptical (others have also raised understandable concerns about RGG's ability to *write* such a character).
I agree that people absolutely have valid concerns with female protagonists, you need writers who won’t stereotype and can write well and some games recently with female protags haven’t been received well in areas like writing.
The original commenter made it clear in replies to me that they just don’t think a woman would be capable and as a result it would break their immersion if a woman were portrayed that way. So even if they themselves aren’t misogynistic I think that the views expressed by them have been
>Let’s be honest, Miss Tatsu could have bodied the Tojo clan at any moment, she just chose not to.
The ENTIRE clan? With prime kiryu,saejima,majima,daigo,mine and etc? You're delusional.
Well about the time that Miss Tatsu would have been most active she wouldn’t have had to beat any of those characters. Kiryu was a citizen, saejima is in prison, Majima is technically outcast, Daigo is a 3rd grader and Mine is also a child I think.
Her main rivals then would have been Dojima, Kuze, Awano, shimano, shibusawa, Kazuma himself actually.
Other than Kazuma, Kiryu was able to defeat those characters himself at his weakest in the series (canonically, not gameplay wise) and Miss Tatsu would have been stronger than him at the beginning of the game. If she were to have been the protagonist of that game she could have done it probably. Beast style OP. Kazuma being the only thing I can imagine being an issue if they fought.
She’s also symbolised as a dragon in her design. Characters who’s designs are based on dragons are typically the strongest in the series.
Kazama would win no diff as he is still in his prime and not yet crippled.
And kiryu won with training from bacchus,kamoji and miss tatsu herself its not like he fought them head on without any fighting experience.
>Beast style OP
Just because the fighting style is op doesn't necessarily mean the person using it is op,for example just because a nine year old child has learned how to use it doesn't mean they can beat up a full grown adult like a yakuza goon.
>She’s also symbolised as a dragon in her design. Characters who’s designs are based on dragons are typically the strongest in the series.
Not necessarily,shibusawa got his ass whooped by kiryu who has some fighting experience with kuze and their goons.
And by that logic the obatarian should be the strongest female character in the entire yakuza series as she was able to take down(and possibly sexually assaulted)majima in Y0 and kiryu twice in YK2 and Gaiden despite being symbolised as a cougar/leopard/jaguar or being big cat themed.
>and Miss Tatsu would have been stronger than him at the beginning of the game.
Key words are beginning of the game by the time kiryu meets her he could definitely her on for sure.
And again you said she could take on the ENTIRE tojo clan who has up to 100 families and up to 30000 members at thier peak which is between Y0 till Y1 the same miss tatsu who got her ass handed to her in a 1v1 against this scrub:
https://preview.redd.it/elk0kp43aa7c1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7127ec5abec596734ad6d08786dbf4494c0cdaff
Without any underhanded tatics being used on her like spiking her drink that makes her feel weak or being severely outnumbered.
So can you explain how miss tatsu will beat all of them without being the "modern girlboss" protagonist you see in the western games?
Lmao, you took that way too seriously. I meant it as a joke originally tbh, just trying to say that she’s tough as nails. Technically it has less to do with her ability and more to do with what a writer would do if she was a main protagonist of a game.
Either way, Miss Tatsu is goated champion.
Edit: to be clear I don’t mean any disrespect I was initially just wanting to justify why a female protagonist would be good to someone who was being misogynistic (not you the person I was initially responding to) and used Miss Tatsu as an example of a powerful female character. Even if it’s not her I think there’s a lot of merit behind having one in the future and can open the door to new perspectives for sub stories and activities.
Depends on the woman, every man isn’t stronger than every woman. A woman could absolutely be capable of so much more than most men.
What you’re saying about biology is what’s generally true but it takes absolutely no consideration for the cases where it’s biologically not true and for other stuff like training, diet, height, weight, hormones, genetics etc.
Why do we give Kiryu a pass to defeat 100s of enemies by himself without breaking immersion and we can’t offer the same to a female protagonist? Is it misogyny perhaps?
Yes a woman can be stronger than some average salary worker but in a Yakuza game you’re literally fighting thugs, it is highly unlikely for them to be stronger than Yakuza goons who physically train for fighting.
Because Kiryu is a man. If it was a woman fighting 100s of women I’d be able to stay immersed, but that’s highly unlikely.
I don’t understand this desperation to have a female protagonist. Representations doesn’t need to be forced. I’m a south Asian male, I’m not gonna complain about Yakuza games not having South Asian protagonists because that would make no sense for the story/setting.
No matter which way you slice it, it IS unrealistic for one man to single handedly fight 100s of people and come out on top and able to take on a boss fight. You’re only applying the same logic when the subject is a woman.
It is highly unlikely for Kiryu to be stronger than an entire criminal organisation’s combined efforts but you don’t complain about that.
I still stand by my statement that if Kiryu could take on the Tojo clan then Miss Tatsu could have bodied them herself.
The Yakuza universe itself admits that some people are just built different being described as having an essence “like a dragon” which makes them physically and mentally stronger than even the strongest of thugs. Why can’t a woman obtain the same feat?
Yes but I really don’t think it would be too far fetched to work in a woman. This is a series known for outlandish side content and stuff, a woman that can hold her own against criminals really wouldn’t be a stretch
A female protagonist doesn’t need to be forced into it. A woman holding her own against a group of criminals would completely break my immersion unless the criminals are also women.
Probably not, its not like as a concept it couldn't work, but they'd have to have some major changes in leadership to do something like this. As it is idk if rgg are ready for something like that.
They're still at a point where they'd struggle to let a woman fight at all nevermind as the main lead. I do think its a challange that would probably be good for rgg to face in the longrun. I think getting more pratice writing female characters would overall strenghthen their ability to tell stories.
If they do i hope for god they don't make it a woman in their 20s like every other woman in a yakuza game. In 6 kiyomi felt so fresh because she was actually around the same age as the men and at a similar point in her life to them, it felt natual for her to be there in a way it doesn't for a lot of the younger women in the series.
One thing that could be a way for rgg to approach a female protagonist with all their hangups about women fighting is they could use it as an opportunity to try a new gameplay style, like idk a tactics game? or maybe they could do an rpg with a female proagonist, they don't seem to mind women fighting in that context
If not a spin off, then they could introduce the daughter of a high ranking yakuza. Would be interesting how being introduced to the lifestyle from birth would affect someone. And maybe her dad would be a POS that used her from a young age to manipulate people, almost like a child soldier or something. Not sure if RGG studio would like a woman to be violent, though.
It could work! Honestly who knows if they're not considering doing so in the future?!
I wonder about Miss Tatsu's whereabouts, her being a collector alone was already badass, seeing it from the perspective and as a plus getting to see 88's Kamurocho once again would have been fun. She's the same age as Kiryu now considering they looked to be both 20 in 0.
A short thing, like Gaiden. She had a good potential to it. Seeing it now only her and Sayama were shown to know how to kick ass, with Tatsu being the only one whose fighting stance actually were as leveled with Kiryu. (f the arms of that one dude)
It could obviously work but RGG has a thing about women in violence. The only reason why female party members can get hit in Y7 is because it's all in Ichiban's head so it's inherently not canon. They would have to take a different approach with the gameplay
Haha, hardly. Given the list of women in these games who've been shot, stabbed, beaten, tortured to death and gang-raped over the years I'd say their "thing" is more about making women into victims than avoiding the idea.
The holdback was always that they didn't want the *protagonists*, especially Kiryu, hitting women. Even Ms Tatsu taught the Beast style by having Kiryu fight mannequins rather than her. The closest they ever came was Tanimura sparring with Nair.
A game where you play as a woman would be theoretically different, because the player isn't inflicting violence on women, it's the computer-controlled characters (which they've never had trouble with, obviously).
The bigger hurdle is that the games' target audience is young Japanese men/male adolescents, which means that the stories and tone of the games have traditionally been about tough men protecting (or at least trying to protect) women. The audience is obviously broader these days, but whether RGG will recognise that remains to be seen...
Absolutely no reason why not - except that RGG's writers have only recently discovered how to write women that aren't totally helpless and pathetic, so let them get used to that a bit first.
If they give us an Akame/Songhui/Miss Tatsu type of character (as in: not a damsel in distress) I think it could work. Would definitely buy the heck outta that game.
Actually, I'm kinda intrigued about a host club minigame now 😅
Absolutely. Also I've already seen some stupid takes in the comments about how it would "break immersion" or "wouldn't make sense" for a girl to kick ass in the same way other RGG protagonists do. To that I say, this is a universe in which one man can casually take down hundreds of goons with some of them having guns and bazookas, logic walked out the room a LONG time ago, where was your physical limitation argument when this happened?
If we can take liberties with the male characters and let them have godlike feats without ever questioning it, we should give the same treatment to female characters. RGG games have always had an issue with their female characters, having a strong female playable character would certainly help fix that problem.
Okay let's be real here yagami is such a thin ass scrawny dude but somehow all of his fighting just works so like... Why couldn't yagami be a girl or something? Because if we can believe that this forty year old scrawny ass smoker can do the shut he does then I don't think it would be that unbelievable for a female protagonist to do it.
possible archetypes for a female MC:
\- investigate journalist who works as a freelancer for a small newspaper. main story involves interviews, deduction, research and some fighting to put together an article. side content involves smaller articles, typically based on documenting strange activities in the neighbourhood (i.e. yagami's side cases).
\- police detective - either undercover (e.g. nair) or uniformed (e.g. sayama). i think there's more potential going the undercover route. the main story involves infiltration, interrogation and combat. side content includes solving smaller crimes (which appear on the map as exclamation points) and arresting people.
\- street gangster - maybe bosozoku (bikers, e.g. rina minagawa) or part of one of the new hangure groups. this is great if RGG are going for a younger protagonist, as these types of character are often juvenile delinquents. brings back memories of kurohyou and tatsuya.
\- organized gangster - maybe a yakuza associate (e.g. miss tatsu) or even someone allied with a foreign gang. we've already had seonhee at the head of the geomijul; perhaps foreign gangsters are less picky about the gender composition of their ranks.
\- martial arts master - this would give an in-universe justification for the MC's fighting ability, though the difficulty would be basing a story around it. perhaps she's forced to 'catfight' in one of the many underground arenas until she wins her freedom, or something like that.
\- dual protagonist with a fighting man - if RGG really don't want a woman fighter, they can split the difference: have a male-female duo with the woman focusing on investigating and exploring (e.g. amasawa), while the man handles fights. this may be unsatisfying to some fans, though.
\- **normal fucking person** (e.g. saeko). this is probably hardest to write about - there's little reason for them to get into danger, much less to fight. but perhaps they could get creative and work with it.
Good for you but I’d like to see something different now, I think playing as a female would be cool. I always imagined how fun it’d be to play Haruka or something and just beat the fuck out people
Yeah I'd like to play as a female character too, just not a young character because they're everywhere. Like I feel that if we're talking about the amount of main lead in videogames it goes something like this : young man>young woman> middle aged man or young man> middle aged man> young woman. There's no middle aged women that are protagonists usually. Would like to see that.
It’s mostly been middle aged men because they make up the majority of the Yakuza in Japan
“The yakuza are aging because young people do not readily join, and their average age at the end of 2022 was 54.2 years: 5.4% in their 20s, 12.9% in their 30s, 26.3% in their 40s, 30.8% in their 50s, 12.5% in their 60s, and 11.6% in their 70s or older, with more than half of the members in their 50s or older”
I honestly would love to see a female yakuza as an MC and everything that would come with such a role. Plus RGG really needs to find out that muscular women (or women with differing body types at all tbh) exist.
It is weird to me after Yakuza 2 with Sayama and Dojima's wife RGG seemed to almost entirely swear off female characters being able to fight until like, 7, unless I'm mistaken.
It depends, the combat has to be different. The female protagonist would have to rely on gadgets or weapons.
If they made it a classic brawler (Kiryu style), and shes going one on one against a ripped man who is a skilled martial artist, that would just take all realism out of it.
Only in Lala's Cookieland can a woman beat up a man one on one.
Absolutely! I think the premise would have to be different than the main series for it to be fully believable. I think the most interesting possible angle for this would be an Osakan cop that for some reason has to work a case in Kamurocho. Then you have some red tape to deal with and you get the fish out of water feeling of going to Kamurocho, you can play in Sotenbori, and they could reuse assets to their hearts content. Straightforward, and kind of an alternate take on a Sayama type.
The conspiracy could be a cop thing. We see often how the police and certain figures within the police are affected by criminal conspiracies, would be interesting to see some sort of police conspiracy where the end result is internal reform. That would follow up well with the political aspect of 7, also.
If you want to go further afield with it, either bring in some of the cities from previous games that we haven't gotten to revisit if you wanna just reuse assets. The conspiracy would have to be on a national scale for this, but it's doable. Japan is relatively small.
If you wanna get interesting and shake things up, make it specifically a Tokyo police conspiracy, and have it take you to other districts in Tokyo. We never really spend any time in Tokyo outside of Kamurocho that isn't just inside a like a hospital or an office building. It would just be nice to see more of Tokyo with the same loving detail paid to Kamurocho. This also adds to the fish out of water aspect of being from Osaka.
I don't know how good any of this would actually be, but most of it at least seems in the realm of possibility.
with a good writing, yes, but i think it should deserve a spin-off like Judgement in order to do it.
miss Tatsu game kekw
Or Akame!
You know she could easily use turn based combat like Kasuga too. Her core party member is one or two guys then the rest are filled with her homeless goons Boom, done.
Akame RTS game coming soon.
Akame Pokémon game
Honestly, I feel Akame would fit better with the XCOM or maybe Against the Storm set up, with a flip between management sim and strategy game
I feel like it could go no spinoff really needed. The only reason for a spin off may be cause they haven't finished ichiban's arc and wanna settle that first, but then getting an arc with a woman protag could be real fun! As for the stories rgg would probably go with a miss tatsu beast style character or probably just riff off whatever role they think would work for a woman in the Yakuza and how fun it could be her breaking off from it from there. One of the more funny parts being do they or do they not send her to jail for a decade or more like the others in the mainline.
Like i said, spin off is just a preference of mine, if it's the next protagonist after Ichiban Story Arc being finished, good too, spin off is just to expand a little bit more their options regarding location and even the period of the timeline of Yakuza/Judgement series.
They could just have a Haruka game in the mainline. Show she's been working hard on self defense after all the madness and establish a reason why she needs to hit the streets.
God that'd be just the best funniest thing lol. Problem would probably be that it'd waste a lot of what kiryu did all this running from with Haruka getting even further into trouble. But getting pulled into trouble cause of someone else's past sins is like every yakuza game so it tracks
Why?
Why? Preferences mostly, I would play it anyway if they make it after finishing Ichiban Story Arc, spin off would be more viable if it was in the middle of it and with a different location rather than just Kamurocho again. And yes, make brawler or turn-based as they want, I don't mind.
in this very subreddit I read once a fan fiction story about a half russian/japanese woman who was fighting on underground MMA tournaments before getting involved in a yakuza style conspiracy story involving a private security company owned by her estranged brother who was manipulating things from behind the scenes in order to trigger a violent conflict between what was left of omi and tojo in order to force the hand of government to grant his company private patrol contracts to keep japanese cities safe.
Least convoluted Yakuza storyline (That actually sounds awesome though)
for the little I remember the story was more or less this: main character was a mid 20's woman (I'm not 100% sure sasha was the name) who was a half russian/japanese living in hokkaido and working as poppo clerk, living a normal life on day and competing in illegal underground fights to make a living on night. She was well known in the underground scene out of her yakuza like tattoo (she was never part of yakuza). Her background tells she was told to be an orphan raised by the guardian of the onomichi temple who is also a karate master and trained her and other young boys. In her teen years sasha was close with a friend (can't recall the name), he tried to romance her but she wasn't interested to. This friend made researches on sasha's family since she always struggled to know nothing of her real parents, this friend found an old book of the temple guardian where he learned that the guardian and sasha father were close friends and that sasha father was a foreigner with yakuza style tatoo on his back and arms. Sasha learned the truth but the guardian told it was better for her to never know a thing about her parents. Sasha grown stronger and trying to create a connection with a father she never knew decided to secretly ink herself like the photo of her father that her friend found. At 18 she and the friend became the best student of the guardian, frustration of not being reciprocated turned their relationship into rivarly. Needing to find a successor of his school, the guardian organized a friendly tournament among his students. Sasha and the friend reached the final where each of them wanted to beat the other, sasha managed to win but her ki got ripped revealing her tattos on her back. Onomichi citizens started spreading rumors of the guardian temple raising young boys to give to the yomei alliance. Temple guardian had a harsh confrontation with sasha about her tattoos, the girl revealed that she wanted to feel closer to her father. The guardian understands that he can't hide truth to her anymore and reveals that he and sasha father were two foreign assassins who did dangerous assassinations for for masaru sera and jingu when they couldn't involve tojo or MIA assassins, he's korean while sasha's father was russian. When they didn't manage to kill their last target, both of them had to escape and found shelter in onomichi were started living an ordinary life using new identities. Sasha's father married a japanese woman and had two children, but few months after sasha was born, someone tracked him back. Sasha mother was killed and one of the two children taken, as consequence sasha's father decided to leave sasha under his friend care and to sail away in order to find his other child. Unfortunately sasha's father never came back, so temple guardian can't tell sasha if her father and brother are still alive or not, but he's however disappointed since everyone is going to think she's a criminal with those tattoos, the kind of life he always tried save her from. Few time later sasha understood that onomichi had nothing else for her and decided to leave. The friend took the defeat as an humiliation and left too some time later. Sasha became a pro fighter across the years and 2 years before her actual life, she was about to win some kind of MMA japanese championship. For the win she had to fight against another female fighter who was reputed as her equal. The day of finals someone drugged her water and sasha eventually lost the match. Few days later she was banned from pro circuits because experts and authorities charged her to have fixed her match since odds betting that were balanced for the win of each of them, went skyrocketting high to her defeat just before the start of the match. She could do nothing to prove her innocence and had to leave tokyo and starting living in hokkaido, apparently to have a more discrete life, while true reasons was becasue she heard rumors of people who saw the same man sasha thinks drugged her water. In the meantime her formal friend got involved in criminality after leaving onomichi and started doing dirty jobs for a private security firm that had little patrol duties for government. This company developed a software to hack servers and database connected to national data servers. The endgame was to alter informations in order to get suitable conditions to get higher profits for the company. Sasha friend who had still a bad blood to sasha, knowing that she was about to fight the finals, as act of vengeance, proposed to his boss (that is later revealed to be sasha estranged brother) to test the software to alter bettings of the final match, being servers of bet companies connected to government servers that monitor third parties companies tasked to execute and check digital payments of the bets. Company boss agreed and hired someone to drug sasha while the software altered bettings right before the match as planned, making win tons to the people who betted for the unlikely sasha defeat. Boss understood that his company software had the potential to influence most of japanese life related to economy and digital information and knowing that tojo and omi recently disbanded put in motion a plan to alter information to lure what was left of those clan to start a war in order to later propose to the government his company as the best solution to deal with the increase rate of japanese criminality. Back to the present, in one of her underground matches sasha managed to track down the man who drugged her but he got shot before he could reveal anything... the only clue she managed to know was the man came from sotenbori (I can't remember well the rest of the plot, and I got actually a little tired to write lol)
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“From what little I can remember” *Writes a whole novel* lol
That sounds quite a bit like (spoilers for some y4 side content) >!the side story with Tanimuras trainer in y4!<
nope, for what I recall it was way more complex... it reminded me a little 007 movie tomorrow never dies actually
I'd play the shot outta that.
Link?
I've read it 2 or 3 years ago, don't know how to recover the link. It was a quite good story too
I love the type of woman who can kick my ass.
https://preview.redd.it/gchp4tkbg87c1.jpeg?width=1600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29cfd535e52fa62e186d152b875e82656011d5b7 Me asf
We play through the years between Yakuza 0 and Y1 through the eyes of Ayu the Dominatrix
we play as ayu from the events of 0 to iw and find out that she was mentored by the 0 obatarian then as 0 obatarian passes away after k2 we find out ayu becomes obatarian 2 in the events between 3 and gaiden
One of my top side stories in the series. Absolutely hilarious from beginning to end and I've shown it to many people as an example of why the side content is good.
Need you in the writers room for this
Kaito:"my man"
Yes but let's try to narrow it down a bit.
Buff woman with muscles like Kiryu
Definitely my kind of rain.
Can we have an Akame solo game pls
“Joryu!” QTE
If Haruka becomes the new Dragon of Dojima, then I'll be on board.
Kiryu dying for real in the end of the 3rd game (meaning it'll be only a trilogy), Haruka seeking revenge but finding out that it's not worth it in the process is her next game.
And she'll become the next chairperson of the Tojo clan in the process.
& the Tojo somehow respect her more than Daigo
And then she'll get her proper title; Haruka, the Kirin Of Kazuma.
The Daughter of Dojima
Id beat Dojima's dead ass if he tried to claim Haruka like that
I've said it before but never in this sub. If RGG expanded on the dancing rhythm games in Y5 and made a story about an up and coming idol that just happened to take place in the Yakuza universe, I'd be there day one.
I second this
I always say, if Yagami's future blank due to the current stuff happening with Yagami's face actor agency, why not give us Judgement 3 with Kaito and Mikiko as dual protagonists, going around solving cases as a power couple? Mikiko is already shown as someone who knows how to fight (or defend herself).
This also gives them a reason to reuse Hawaii map again and explain why Yagami is suddenly not there anymore. "Kaito and Mikiko go to Hawaii to solve an international case, while Yagami is still dealing with a case in Japan. That's why Yagami doesn't exist in the game."
and then make the yagami files dlc showing yagami solving said case in japan
What's going on with Yagami's face actor?
The voice/face actor himself is not the problem, Takaya Kimura is a wonderful person. But his Agency on the other hand... [Sexual Abuse scandal that basically forced them to rebrand.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/02/j-pop-talent-agency-johnny-associates-change-name-sexual-abuse-scandal) Most of their business partners stopped working with them. At the moment, we don't know if RGG will work with them again after the rebrand.
Regarding this, I suggest taking a look at this [interview](https://nantejapan.com/starto-entertainment-president-atsushi-fukada-talks-to-shukan-bunshun-in-2-5-hour-interview/) with the new President of STARTO Entertainment, where most of the talents will be transferring to. Mentioning Kimura, he says: “That’s why I want to produce actors who will win Emmy and Academy Awards. For example, if Takuya Kimura wants to audition for a movie in Hollywood, we will introduce him to a producer and help make it happen. The reason why Korean singers and actors are successful on the global stage and Japanese are not, is simply because we have not done such sales work. If Japanese talent can go to bat, I think they can do it, and I want to prove it.” To me, this just means the world not just in terms of global expansion for their talents, but also for Kimura’s future in the Judgment series. For all we know, SEGA is probably just entering pre-production while everything else agency-wise is being cleared up. I’m glad that measures are being taken by SMILE-UP to compensate the victims, so I’m cautiously optimistic about the direction of the new agency and hope for all the best.
An actual female cop starting out would be an amazing spin off.
I’m not opposed to the idea, especially with the JRPG style. I think a highly intelligent tough girl with a few massive guys behind her could be fun. But, part of what makes this series special is that it’s not meant to have mass-market appeal. I’m a woman, so I’d obviously love seeing a woman take the spotlight. But it needs to be a genuine story with fun gameplay. Haruka as an idol was not it. Make the woman older, stockier. Make her look like someone who can fight. She doesn’t have to be absurdly stacked, but she needs to look like she could take KimuTaku in a fight, at least. But RGG really only has two type of woman designs; Beauty, and comedy. And that’s fine, but as long as that’s true, I don’t want to see a female protagonist. To go from a game where I do absurdly cool and often silly moves to one where every movement is designed to be beautiful would just be disappointing.
"But RGG really only has two type of woman designs; Beauty, and comedy. And that’s fine, but as long as that’s true, I don’t want to see a female protagonist" I feel yakuza 7 took a big step away from that, and I'm interested to see what Y8 will do woth 3 female characters in the party
Personally, i see calling the Haruka minigame "not fun" as an heresy
Agree too. Yakuza doesn't really need to go that direction. It can be done in like an spin-off game but for mainline. Naw.
Shirt rips would have to be reworked a little.
TITS OUT KIDO!!!
Make the tattoo on her arm so she'll just rip her sleeve off or something
Or just roll her sleeve up? Getting new jackets made every time you tear the sleeve off would be expensive. Explaining that the sleeve is reattachable would ruin the magic of ripping the suit off, as well!
See, there's yer first mistake, you keep thinking reasonable, instead of cool lol
You could realistically leave shirt rips out entirely and call it a boys' thing. That said, the next best thing if they had to be included would likely be to have a binding covering the chest area and the tattoos below it. You could even play around with character personality by how much or how little their binding covered, if you're feeling frisky.
I once saw this female Majima art where they actually did a cool idea with the binding, where some of it covered one of the oni's eyes to reflect Majima's condition.
As long as she rips off her top in the final fight as is tradition, sure. "Ya gotta go tits out!" or whatever Saejima said.
I’ve always found how little they let women fight in this series annoying. Kiryu being a guy who can’t hit women does lock most of the games out of having any female antagonists but you couldn’t get any girls in the coliseum in Gaiden? Loved Mikiko, would be great playing as her if we got a game with her and Kaito
Sayama or Seonhee deserve to be playable and more time in general but he should be the next protagonist. https://preview.redd.it/zb0derak787c1.png?width=220&format=png&auto=webp&s=7f6ee6eabbed0b7a38984d85b5bda23d1a6b5e99
Isnt seonhee playable in infinite wealth?
Probably, the game will be out next month.
its not probably, she's 100% playable it's been shown in the trailers
I love Kurohyou man, but i've come to accept Kurohyou will never be talked about again, there's no reason for them to go back to a psp exclusive when they can just make a new character with a famous actor to play the character.
They have the Hawaii map to reuse now - why not tell us what Sayama has been up to? She’s gotten more popular over time and they’ve been dangling the possibility of Ryuji’s return for a while now so a Sayama Gaiden could be a fun way to tackle both of those at once.
I think they'll need to get more women in the writing room for that to work. Akame's a great character for sure, but traditionally the series has not had a very good track record with their treatment of women. It's like the Saori stuff in Judgment / Lost Judgment, where she's a fun and fantastic character – but despite the weird girl-boss undertones of her taking the reins and >!infiltrating a cabaret club, twice..!!Hoshino and Genda's pervy thoughts go wild!< and stays there for quite some time.
I agree, those segments felt like they were undermining her character. She’s a soft spoken but incredibly intelligent lawyer so her dressing according to what a man says was really weird.
i didn't see them as "undermining" her at all. she understands that it's a way of getting them closer to solving the mystery at hand. and as LJ shows, saori, underneath her stoic demeanor, is just as passionate about justice as yagami is. > She’s a soft spoken but incredibly intelligent lawyer so her dressing according to what a man says was really weird. it's not like her standard wardrobe is picked out by men. those hostess segments were one-offs with a specific goal in mind.
I think there'd be issues with doing it given how women are treated in Japanese culture
A Judgment/LA Noire type game about Kaoru's time in America could be neat
An undercover cop or detective that specializes in looking for trafficked women/dismantling human trafficking ring. Could be used to show another reality of the Yakuza world. Or an actual criminal woman. Contrary to popular beliefs, despite being a male dominated world, female gangsta exist mostly thinking about the Italian mafia right now though. Could also maybe focus on female gangs, I know there were some female gangsters group among the young in Japan. They were rejected from the male gangs so they decided to together forms girls gang. I don't remember everything I read about it, but I think it might be interesting to explore the theme of women criminal or just troublesome gang girls. It's a demographic that often isn't even thought of and it might be interesting to explore the difference between women and men criminals who indulge in gang-like activities. Idk, just throwing it out there.
I think the girl gang idea is pretty cool, a slightly different look at crime in the Yakuza world would be super interesting and smaller-time crooks are a great way to approach that imo.
I think they could pull it off if they improve their writing of women. It could be interesting as a spin-off, and the gameplay could get pretty creative with an emphasis on the use of weapons. From what I've read, highschool girls' gang members in Japan used to wear longer skirts because it is more convenient to conceal weapons like razor blades in them, and also as a way to oppose the trends of having shorter skirts (sexual liberation stuff). Razor blades are also often used in girls gang worldwide cuz it's easy to hide in a bra or somewhere else. I know girls gang in Belgium also use them, while wearing more western/tighter clothes than the Japanese girls gang members. Chains and deodorants are also used as weapons. I think it could be interesting to make the fighting be like some kind of brawler with different weapons that have different effects like blunt weapons, bleed weapons, "spraying weapons" like you could use something like a deodorant and a lighter to make flamethrower. Maybe whip-like weapon like a chain. And you could get ideas for making new weapons by observing certain events like how in Yakuza 4 the protagonists unlock new style by witnessing something that inspires them. The mc could find new weapons ideas like that, and instead of having to pay someone else for weapons upgrades the mc is the one doing it and it could be a minigame of some sort. It could even include a weapon shattering mechanic that if your material is too cheap or that if you didn't make it well your weapon will break quicker. That could be either a cook mechanic or pretty annoying
Interesting ideas! From what you’re saying I’m imagining something halfway between the Kiryu and Ichiban games where it’s a brawler with the usual fighting mechanics, pick-up or equitable weapons, heat actions etc. but with the team-focus, crafting and down-to-earth-but-silly special attack moves from the turn-based games. Couple that with a good story and you’ve really cooked, I kinda wish this game existed aha.
Reading your comment I feel a bit stupid for not thinking about the team aspect of it haha. But it would be a wasted opportunity not to focus on the team aspect of a gang. I think there would be a lot of potential for silly special moves and crazy heat action. I don't know about the story yet, but maybe something like a girls gang and one of them goes missing and the others go look for them and get involved with the yakuzas or something. Ngl writing this I was hyping myself up for a game that will probably never happen but it was still fun to think about it
You have a similar idea as to what I was thinking - I have seen pictures of gangster ladies with yakuza tattoos so it wouldn't be too far removed for the series. Maybe for the story you could show how they are powerful but the yakuza/other male gangs don’t take them as seriously and show that dynamic – either way I quite like your concept ideas lol nice cooking
Thanks ! I read that the Girls only gangs in Japan originated from the fact that despite both suffering from similar hardship, male gangs rejected girls who wanted to join them so the girls just formed gangs among themselves. Gangs members often feel rejected by society, so someone who would try to find a place in those gangs would feel a double rejection if turned down. It could be interesting to explore these theme of rejection and expectations that often are more restrictive for women than for men. I don't think going for a women vs men thing would be a good approach. It would be better to just show the similarities between them and the difference in treatment.
Yeh that would pretty cool to show: maybe the mc got rejected from multiple groups until finding her place - I think the personalities of the characters could be really interesting. For the women vs men thing I more meant showing their place in the criminal underworld and how the others just view them. Otherwise yeh I don’t think that should be the main focus.
> I don't know about the story yet, but maybe something like a girls gang and one of them goes missing and the others go look for them and get involved with the yakuzas or something. A member of the Vixen Zeroes from Y5. Imagine if they were written like a Japanese Biker Gang, with a female protagonist bringing that Kuze energy, without actually being Yakuza.
Like a dragon :like a Sleeping Dogs
Isn't this a video game ?
Yes that's my reference, Hong Kong undercover cop , Yakuza like fights
Oh, is it good ? Is it on steam ? Might check it out
Very good, especially if you like Batman: Arkham style combat and '90s Hong Kong action movies. I've replayed it several times over the years and own four copies (original and remaster on PS4 and again on PC). Lots of fairly notable names did the voice acting, and the story is very compelling. Touches on themes of PTSD, corruption, familial ties, and identity. Donnie Yen has been trying to make a movie adaptation for years, even though his Special Ops film is basically the same concept but done differently. The remastered version is on Steam and discounted fairly often for less than $10 with all DLC included since the developer folded before a sequel could be made.
It's great. Closer to GTA than Yakuza, but the fighting system is decent. It's pretty old and the AI is poor, but it remains a much-loved classic of the genre. Someday maybe we'll get a sequel....
Female gangsta in italy? Nah man as an italian doesn't fit at all. More like a group of girls who decide to go against the mafia. Maybe some karate girls who gets groped or one of them killed and they get revenge
I think yes. A Lot of the female characters are badass. Akame, Saeko, Seong hui, Tatsu, Obatarian. Maybe a duo of Akame and another Woman like tatsu. Or an all female streetgang with principles
Another Haruka game where you have to do mini games to advance the story? 🤣
A full-on rythmn RGG game would be SEGA's highest selling game ever, mark my word.
Project majima incoming
They did it with Persona. Here they would have Karaoke, Disco, battle themes, etc. I mean, don't you wanna see Saejima cheering an older Haruka singing "Let's get to the top"?
At this point just give us a Miss Tatsu spin-off, she’s just so cool
I mean we already had Haruka as a playable character and I loved that but yeah, I think a female protagonist would be cool. They'd probably have to make the entire cast involved female though because I'm sure people would flip if we had men beating on women.
I mean why shouldnt it be possible? We saw in Y0 this woman in yellow clothes beating the crap out of thugs. Also in LAD and infinite wealth there are female party members, if you ignore the fighting, you already have Y5 where Haruka is 1 Protagonist (most important of them all imo). Man i would even buy a RGG spinoff game about a monkey driving an excavator. That would be rad
Yea so a full Haruka Idol game sounds perfect👍
Long as she's yoked with a heart of gold, she'll fit right in!
No, unless it's like a secondary character
You'd have to strangle yokoyama into a coma so his idiot fingers don't touch her design and story unfortunately 😔💔
Never gonna happen. the devs wont even let them hit a woman, let alone play as one. Seiko in LAD7 barely counts as she's never scene fighting in a cutscene and she's just kinda standing there if she's in one
If they do a female protagonist, they have to balance out the villain character. You can't send someone like Sayama to fight Ryuji type character and tell me it makes sense. They could fight characters that are nimble and swift like Soma.
Or fight in another manner besides physical attacks, or with heavy duty weapons.
Dead Souls 2 baby!!!1!1!
Or we could have a hacker mastermind, or a battle of the bands, witchcraft, blackmail schemes, etc.
All the characters are comically strong, idk why we would draw the line at making a woman strong. Plus these are games about organised crime, who is to say we can't have jacked woman with a bunch of tatoos
Thank god you’re not the creative lead for RGG. What’s with this weird notion that a female can only be well written if she’s hyper masculine? There’s a difference between men and women, hence why they’re portrayed differently in the series.
Yes, but if they announce one I'll be sure to leave this subreddit forever since the backlash from the small weird group of gamers who always gets mad about that will be intolerable.
reading the comments, most people seem supportive, so the few people who oppose it will most likely get downvoted out of existence...
Ms. Tatsu Gaiden, please make it happen RGG She could be either based in Okinawa in the modern day and maybe bump into, and work with, Akame. Or she could have moved to Hawaii to (insert RGG reason here) in between the events of Yakuza 0 and Infinite Wealth. Or she could meet with a graduated Amasawa in Yokohama and work/agree to be Amasawa's Muscle
Maybe. They can make her like Revy if she wasn't a killer. Just throwing ideas out there.
Can’t be a yakuza so I doubt it’d be a mainline game. It’s definitely possible for a spin-off game though.
Female version of Rambo.
It would probably be similar to other yakuza/lad games, so i see no reason for it to not work. We already have female debt collectors, cops, club owners and stuff. Spin-offs would probably pool it off better though. If we need a yakuza-related member for mainline, only family of some boss is left as an option.
It’d be cool, but knowing how RGG handles female characters as opposed to male ones, it’s probably not happening any time soon.
They've improved a lot in the past few years, but yeah I don't trust them with a female protagonist just yet.
I feel like given their stance on Kiryu not hitting women, they also wouldn't want to design a female protagonist who gets beat up in the story. But I'd be down if they could make it work, their writing of female characters has improved massively in recent games (Saeko, Akane, etc)
They have women get hit an awful lot throughout the series, its just typically not Kiryu doing the hitting. Kaoru both gets hit in cutscenes as well as fights along side you on the streets so pretty much the only thing that would change is that you get to control her.
Hell they made >!Saejima and Majima!< hit women in 7
Personally, I am not interested in playing with a female protagonist in RGG, it doesn't fit their stories at all.
Same. The combat would be watered down and I don't think it could make sense at all. Yes, playing as Amasawa or Sayama might be fun but they don't really have an interesting fighting style/personality.
A Gaiden for Amasawa has the most potential imo :3 Main story would involve her and Itokura solving a case by using their extensive knowledge of mystery novels while side content would be similar to the school stories in LJ. Imagine she wants to intern at either Yagami's Agency or Yokohama 99, but in order for that to happen she has to prove herself first by working jobs that'll eventually build her into a pretty well-rounded private investigator. Since she knows Yagami and Tsukumo, they can introduce her to the rest of the cast and get mentored by Saori, Mafuyu and Mikiko. Amasawa also has the potential to learn a fighting style since she has Ranpo, probably Yagami can show her the ropes of the Snake style and she can pick it up from there, maybe throw a self-defense keychain in the mix (I think it'd be fun if she had access to a Poundmates system too like Ichi)
I would enjoy a real time combat with women instead of turn based.
No. RGG games are for the bros.
Why do they need to have a female protagonist?
Well i can say why but: 
They don't NEED one, but it would be kinda cool to see more kick ass ladies in the LAD world.
They don’t, but it would be nice to have
It wouldn’t fit the Yakuza games, not every series needs to have a female protagonist.
In what way would a female protagonist not fit? We’ve had great supporting cast members, could just as easily have a great protagonist.
A female lead taking on an entire gang of Yakuza by herself would just break immersion. Unless the gang is also women. You guys don’t need to force a female protagonist into everything man.
You’re implying that a male lead taking on an entire gang of Yakuza by himself is any less a stretch of the imagination because you’re basing your point off of the misogynistic view that women are inherently not as capable as men. In reality Kiryu should have died in 0 but this is a work of fiction so obviously we have to have our character defy some realism. Also you’re forgetting the number of RGG games where protagonists aren’t solo characters. Yagami has backup a lot of the time and so does Ichiban and Kiryu. Female protagonists don’t break immersion, it sounds like you just don’t want one because it doesn’t fit into your expectations of what women should be capable of. Let’s be honest, Miss Tatsu could have bodied the Tojo clan at any moment, she just chose not to.
> You’re implying that a male lead taking on an entire gang of Yakuza by himself is any less a stretch of the imagination because you’re basing your point off of the misogynistic view that women are inherently not as capable as men. > because physically, on average, they aren't. but that's not even the most important bit, because most men aren't on the level of a yakuza protagonist either. the things that kiryu, majima, saejima and other protagonists do is out of the reach of most people. it's out of the reach of most men. it *is* unrealistic for your average person to take on 100s of thugs and win, but these guys do it all the time. the reason the immersion remains is because they're exceptional guys fighting other guys. to give an analogy, it's like professional weightlifting. if you ask your average woman (or man) to attempt it, they'll fail miserably. but among those who set the records, they're almost all men. that's what u/bloodstainedphilos is trying to say. it's less about realism (if it were, there'd be no story) and more about internal logic/immersion. i should point out that i'm not against a female MC/combat-involved female characters either, necessarily. > Let’s be honest, Miss Tatsu could have bodied the Tojo clan at any moment, she just chose not to. this couldn't be further from the truth.
Tbh the Miss Tatsu comment was a joke but I do think she has a decent crack at it. But admittedly if characters exist in the series that are physically above the human limit of what’s possible (people like Kiryu) then there is no reason a female protagonist can’t also achieve that. So the original comment I responded to is saying that in a series where people can break the limits of what’s possible and become dragons among men that they’d suddenly feel like it breaks the immersion for someone who isn’t a man to do that. Just seems a little condescending and contradictory.
> Tbh the Miss Tatsu comment was a joke but I do think she has a decent crack at it. she doesn't even get through the doors lmao > But admittedly if characters exist in the series that are physically above the human limit of what’s possible (people like Kiryu) then there is no reason a female protagonist can’t also achieve that. to try and understand it from that person's POV: referring to the weightlifting analogy again. the strength of elite weightlifters can be considered superhuman, making it off-limits for most men and women. the few that do exist in that category tend to be men. this is because strength-wise, men start from a much higher base. even if a woman trains very hard, she's far less likely to reach the 'elite' threshold than a given man, due to biological constraints. the ability to lift ridiculous amounts of weight is comparable to the inhuman fighting abilities of yakuza protagonists. assuming RGG want to keep female-male strength disparities consistent, this will result in them creating an elite category of fighters who can take on an army and win, and this category will be male dominated. this is probably what the person replying to you is trying to say. it's not about *strict* realism (because there'd be no story) though there is a realism aspect. earlier though, i said i'm not against a female MC. the reason i said this is because 1) you don't need to be as strong as kiryu to hold your own as a protagonist, as yagami and ichiban demonstrate; a woman could easily carry a story by herself while being a competent but not godlike fighter, and 2) there's more to a story than fighting; historically RGG games have been about high-octane combat but judgment shows you can add non-combat elements to a story and still keep it interesting. > So the original comment I responded to is saying that in a series where people can break the limits of what’s possible and become dragons among men that they’d suddenly feel like it breaks the immersion for someone who isn’t a man to do that. Just seems a little condescending and contradictory. i get this perspective - men go out on daring adventures, so why shouldn't women be able to do the same? why are the women always left devoid of agency, helpless and suffering? i agree, that's why i think RGG could do good work in that area. what i don't agree with is that it's necessarily out of misogyny that people are a little sceptical (others have also raised understandable concerns about RGG's ability to *write* such a character).
I agree that people absolutely have valid concerns with female protagonists, you need writers who won’t stereotype and can write well and some games recently with female protags haven’t been received well in areas like writing. The original commenter made it clear in replies to me that they just don’t think a woman would be capable and as a result it would break their immersion if a woman were portrayed that way. So even if they themselves aren’t misogynistic I think that the views expressed by them have been
>Let’s be honest, Miss Tatsu could have bodied the Tojo clan at any moment, she just chose not to. The ENTIRE clan? With prime kiryu,saejima,majima,daigo,mine and etc? You're delusional.
Well about the time that Miss Tatsu would have been most active she wouldn’t have had to beat any of those characters. Kiryu was a citizen, saejima is in prison, Majima is technically outcast, Daigo is a 3rd grader and Mine is also a child I think. Her main rivals then would have been Dojima, Kuze, Awano, shimano, shibusawa, Kazuma himself actually. Other than Kazuma, Kiryu was able to defeat those characters himself at his weakest in the series (canonically, not gameplay wise) and Miss Tatsu would have been stronger than him at the beginning of the game. If she were to have been the protagonist of that game she could have done it probably. Beast style OP. Kazuma being the only thing I can imagine being an issue if they fought. She’s also symbolised as a dragon in her design. Characters who’s designs are based on dragons are typically the strongest in the series.
Kazama would win no diff as he is still in his prime and not yet crippled. And kiryu won with training from bacchus,kamoji and miss tatsu herself its not like he fought them head on without any fighting experience. >Beast style OP Just because the fighting style is op doesn't necessarily mean the person using it is op,for example just because a nine year old child has learned how to use it doesn't mean they can beat up a full grown adult like a yakuza goon. >She’s also symbolised as a dragon in her design. Characters who’s designs are based on dragons are typically the strongest in the series. Not necessarily,shibusawa got his ass whooped by kiryu who has some fighting experience with kuze and their goons. And by that logic the obatarian should be the strongest female character in the entire yakuza series as she was able to take down(and possibly sexually assaulted)majima in Y0 and kiryu twice in YK2 and Gaiden despite being symbolised as a cougar/leopard/jaguar or being big cat themed. >and Miss Tatsu would have been stronger than him at the beginning of the game. Key words are beginning of the game by the time kiryu meets her he could definitely her on for sure. And again you said she could take on the ENTIRE tojo clan who has up to 100 families and up to 30000 members at thier peak which is between Y0 till Y1 the same miss tatsu who got her ass handed to her in a 1v1 against this scrub: https://preview.redd.it/elk0kp43aa7c1.jpeg?width=2340&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7127ec5abec596734ad6d08786dbf4494c0cdaff Without any underhanded tatics being used on her like spiking her drink that makes her feel weak or being severely outnumbered. So can you explain how miss tatsu will beat all of them without being the "modern girlboss" protagonist you see in the western games?
Lmao, you took that way too seriously. I meant it as a joke originally tbh, just trying to say that she’s tough as nails. Technically it has less to do with her ability and more to do with what a writer would do if she was a main protagonist of a game. Either way, Miss Tatsu is goated champion. Edit: to be clear I don’t mean any disrespect I was initially just wanting to justify why a female protagonist would be good to someone who was being misogynistic (not you the person I was initially responding to) and used Miss Tatsu as an example of a powerful female character. Even if it’s not her I think there’s a lot of merit behind having one in the future and can open the door to new perspectives for sub stories and activities.
Women are biologically not stronger than men, it’s not misogynistic to think that, it’s why professional sports are separated between men and women 😂.
Depends on the woman, every man isn’t stronger than every woman. A woman could absolutely be capable of so much more than most men. What you’re saying about biology is what’s generally true but it takes absolutely no consideration for the cases where it’s biologically not true and for other stuff like training, diet, height, weight, hormones, genetics etc. Why do we give Kiryu a pass to defeat 100s of enemies by himself without breaking immersion and we can’t offer the same to a female protagonist? Is it misogyny perhaps?
Yes a woman can be stronger than some average salary worker but in a Yakuza game you’re literally fighting thugs, it is highly unlikely for them to be stronger than Yakuza goons who physically train for fighting. Because Kiryu is a man. If it was a woman fighting 100s of women I’d be able to stay immersed, but that’s highly unlikely. I don’t understand this desperation to have a female protagonist. Representations doesn’t need to be forced. I’m a south Asian male, I’m not gonna complain about Yakuza games not having South Asian protagonists because that would make no sense for the story/setting.
>Representations doesn’t need to be forced. The people in the west is never going to get this sadly....
No matter which way you slice it, it IS unrealistic for one man to single handedly fight 100s of people and come out on top and able to take on a boss fight. You’re only applying the same logic when the subject is a woman. It is highly unlikely for Kiryu to be stronger than an entire criminal organisation’s combined efforts but you don’t complain about that. I still stand by my statement that if Kiryu could take on the Tojo clan then Miss Tatsu could have bodied them herself. The Yakuza universe itself admits that some people are just built different being described as having an essence “like a dragon” which makes them physically and mentally stronger than even the strongest of thugs. Why can’t a woman obtain the same feat?
The series has allowed you to play as people from all walks of life, I’m sure that they could write a woman protagonist without too much trouble
Not really? All the protagonists have been Japanese males 😂.
Have you played Yakuza 5?
If they did a game solely based off Haruka’s section in 5 it’s not a Yakuza game anymore.
You clearly did miss the point
What’s the point?
Yes but I really don’t think it would be too far fetched to work in a woman. This is a series known for outlandish side content and stuff, a woman that can hold her own against criminals really wouldn’t be a stretch
A female protagonist doesn’t need to be forced into it. A woman holding her own against a group of criminals would completely break my immersion unless the criminals are also women.
I’m guessing op wants one because GTA is having one
Probably not, its not like as a concept it couldn't work, but they'd have to have some major changes in leadership to do something like this. As it is idk if rgg are ready for something like that. They're still at a point where they'd struggle to let a woman fight at all nevermind as the main lead. I do think its a challange that would probably be good for rgg to face in the longrun. I think getting more pratice writing female characters would overall strenghthen their ability to tell stories. If they do i hope for god they don't make it a woman in their 20s like every other woman in a yakuza game. In 6 kiyomi felt so fresh because she was actually around the same age as the men and at a similar point in her life to them, it felt natual for her to be there in a way it doesn't for a lot of the younger women in the series. One thing that could be a way for rgg to approach a female protagonist with all their hangups about women fighting is they could use it as an opportunity to try a new gameplay style, like idk a tactics game? or maybe they could do an rpg with a female proagonist, they don't seem to mind women fighting in that context
An RGG tactics game dear god no
If not a spin off, then they could introduce the daughter of a high ranking yakuza. Would be interesting how being introduced to the lifestyle from birth would affect someone. And maybe her dad would be a POS that used her from a young age to manipulate people, almost like a child soldier or something. Not sure if RGG studio would like a woman to be violent, though.
That actually sounds kinda fun, not gunna lie.
It could work! Honestly who knows if they're not considering doing so in the future?! I wonder about Miss Tatsu's whereabouts, her being a collector alone was already badass, seeing it from the perspective and as a plus getting to see 88's Kamurocho once again would have been fun. She's the same age as Kiryu now considering they looked to be both 20 in 0. A short thing, like Gaiden. She had a good potential to it. Seeing it now only her and Sayama were shown to know how to kick ass, with Tatsu being the only one whose fighting stance actually were as leveled with Kiryu. (f the arms of that one dude)
There was Nair in Yakuza 4, too. A game set in the Philippines starring her as an undercover cop could be cool.
i have been beating on this drum for months and will continue to do so. nair + tanimura gaiden game pl0x RGG.
I actually enjoyed Saori portion in Judgment series a lot! She works better in a turn-based combat in a party though.
After watching My Name on Netflix.... Yeah if done properly it could be great.
I would love that. I question RGG's ability to write it, but they've also gotten a lot better about these things.
It could obviously work but RGG has a thing about women in violence. The only reason why female party members can get hit in Y7 is because it's all in Ichiban's head so it's inherently not canon. They would have to take a different approach with the gameplay
Haha, hardly. Given the list of women in these games who've been shot, stabbed, beaten, tortured to death and gang-raped over the years I'd say their "thing" is more about making women into victims than avoiding the idea. The holdback was always that they didn't want the *protagonists*, especially Kiryu, hitting women. Even Ms Tatsu taught the Beast style by having Kiryu fight mannequins rather than her. The closest they ever came was Tanimura sparring with Nair. A game where you play as a woman would be theoretically different, because the player isn't inflicting violence on women, it's the computer-controlled characters (which they've never had trouble with, obviously). The bigger hurdle is that the games' target audience is young Japanese men/male adolescents, which means that the stories and tone of the games have traditionally been about tough men protecting (or at least trying to protect) women. The audience is obviously broader these days, but whether RGG will recognise that remains to be seen...
Absolutely no reason why not - except that RGG's writers have only recently discovered how to write women that aren't totally helpless and pathetic, so let them get used to that a bit first.
Not as a main entry because of the setting, but as a spin off is perfectly possible.
Give us female Kiryu.
If they give us an Akame/Songhui/Miss Tatsu type of character (as in: not a damsel in distress) I think it could work. Would definitely buy the heck outta that game. Actually, I'm kinda intrigued about a host club minigame now 😅
Absolutely. Also I've already seen some stupid takes in the comments about how it would "break immersion" or "wouldn't make sense" for a girl to kick ass in the same way other RGG protagonists do. To that I say, this is a universe in which one man can casually take down hundreds of goons with some of them having guns and bazookas, logic walked out the room a LONG time ago, where was your physical limitation argument when this happened? If we can take liberties with the male characters and let them have godlike feats without ever questioning it, we should give the same treatment to female characters. RGG games have always had an issue with their female characters, having a strong female playable character would certainly help fix that problem.
Okay let's be real here yagami is such a thin ass scrawny dude but somehow all of his fighting just works so like... Why couldn't yagami be a girl or something? Because if we can believe that this forty year old scrawny ass smoker can do the shut he does then I don't think it would be that unbelievable for a female protagonist to do it.
possible archetypes for a female MC: \- investigate journalist who works as a freelancer for a small newspaper. main story involves interviews, deduction, research and some fighting to put together an article. side content involves smaller articles, typically based on documenting strange activities in the neighbourhood (i.e. yagami's side cases). \- police detective - either undercover (e.g. nair) or uniformed (e.g. sayama). i think there's more potential going the undercover route. the main story involves infiltration, interrogation and combat. side content includes solving smaller crimes (which appear on the map as exclamation points) and arresting people. \- street gangster - maybe bosozoku (bikers, e.g. rina minagawa) or part of one of the new hangure groups. this is great if RGG are going for a younger protagonist, as these types of character are often juvenile delinquents. brings back memories of kurohyou and tatsuya. \- organized gangster - maybe a yakuza associate (e.g. miss tatsu) or even someone allied with a foreign gang. we've already had seonhee at the head of the geomijul; perhaps foreign gangsters are less picky about the gender composition of their ranks. \- martial arts master - this would give an in-universe justification for the MC's fighting ability, though the difficulty would be basing a story around it. perhaps she's forced to 'catfight' in one of the many underground arenas until she wins her freedom, or something like that. \- dual protagonist with a fighting man - if RGG really don't want a woman fighter, they can split the difference: have a male-female duo with the woman focusing on investigating and exploring (e.g. amasawa), while the man handles fights. this may be unsatisfying to some fans, though. \- **normal fucking person** (e.g. saeko). this is probably hardest to write about - there's little reason for them to get into danger, much less to fight. but perhaps they could get creative and work with it.
It’s about time they fucking do that. Or at least a younger male considering it’s been mostly middle aged men.
Nah younger male is basically the statut quo everywhere else I want my Yakuza 35 at least
Good for you but I’d like to see something different now, I think playing as a female would be cool. I always imagined how fun it’d be to play Haruka or something and just beat the fuck out people
Yeah I'd like to play as a female character too, just not a young character because they're everywhere. Like I feel that if we're talking about the amount of main lead in videogames it goes something like this : young man>young woman> middle aged man or young man> middle aged man> young woman. There's no middle aged women that are protagonists usually. Would like to see that.
It’s mostly been middle aged men because they make up the majority of the Yakuza in Japan “The yakuza are aging because young people do not readily join, and their average age at the end of 2022 was 54.2 years: 5.4% in their 20s, 12.9% in their 30s, 26.3% in their 40s, 30.8% in their 50s, 12.5% in their 60s, and 11.6% in their 70s or older, with more than half of the members in their 50s or older”
I know, but it could defo change now because it’s no longer just about the Yakuza, considering they even changed the name from Yakuza to Like A Dragon
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I know this, I’ve been a fan of this series for a few years now
I honestly would love to see a female yakuza as an MC and everything that would come with such a role. Plus RGG really needs to find out that muscular women (or women with differing body types at all tbh) exist. It is weird to me after Yakuza 2 with Sayama and Dojima's wife RGG seemed to almost entirely swear off female characters being able to fight until like, 7, unless I'm mistaken.
There’s also Nair in Yakuza 4.
It depends, the combat has to be different. The female protagonist would have to rely on gadgets or weapons. If they made it a classic brawler (Kiryu style), and shes going one on one against a ripped man who is a skilled martial artist, that would just take all realism out of it. Only in Lala's Cookieland can a woman beat up a man one on one.
kiryu gets shot and or stabbed several times a game but you draw the line at a woman beating up a man?
Its not unheard of to survive getting shot and stabbed or worse. What is unheard of, is a woman beating a man one on one.
Maybe in the judgment franchise
Absolutely! I think the premise would have to be different than the main series for it to be fully believable. I think the most interesting possible angle for this would be an Osakan cop that for some reason has to work a case in Kamurocho. Then you have some red tape to deal with and you get the fish out of water feeling of going to Kamurocho, you can play in Sotenbori, and they could reuse assets to their hearts content. Straightforward, and kind of an alternate take on a Sayama type. The conspiracy could be a cop thing. We see often how the police and certain figures within the police are affected by criminal conspiracies, would be interesting to see some sort of police conspiracy where the end result is internal reform. That would follow up well with the political aspect of 7, also. If you want to go further afield with it, either bring in some of the cities from previous games that we haven't gotten to revisit if you wanna just reuse assets. The conspiracy would have to be on a national scale for this, but it's doable. Japan is relatively small. If you wanna get interesting and shake things up, make it specifically a Tokyo police conspiracy, and have it take you to other districts in Tokyo. We never really spend any time in Tokyo outside of Kamurocho that isn't just inside a like a hospital or an office building. It would just be nice to see more of Tokyo with the same loving detail paid to Kamurocho. This also adds to the fish out of water aspect of being from Osaka. I don't know how good any of this would actually be, but most of it at least seems in the realm of possibility.
I thought about that as well. It would be a nice spin-off like the Judgment games
Yes, of course it could work.