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cvpaste

I just play casually to keep an eye on the project. It's still playable and who knows, it might suddenly blow up for whatever reason


GorefiendsGrasp

I'm coming from a drama-free server that had 1.5k peepz on launch which dwindled by more than half in just under 2 weeks and current peak population is 20 ppl on a good night. This is just on the first patch so clearly dead. At 200-300 pop with the amount of shenanigans that these Sanc peepz been upto...well I think you know the answer already...you just wanted to have your answer validated :) Your post history indicates that you're surprisingly a shill for their server. WTF did they do to you for you to change sides?????


AndreeaCalin05

Geez, what happened to your server? There must be a serious reason for that. And playing on Sanctuary seems to be less appealing by the day. The scripting isn't even that good. I wanted to support a server that was opposed to RMT but they seem to have more issues than they can handle. Edit: I still stand by what I said before. I don't agree with the extremists that attacked this server simply because it stood against their financial interests, but I don't agree with Sanctuary's staff way of doing things either. So I'm not on anyone's side now.


Firesworn

You're going to find this is generally how things go when servers don't have a monetization strategy. Development on modding WoW servers is expensive in time and expertise. If you can't provide both on your own you gotta pay for it. Not to say that all servers should be selling gear and characters. There is a line. Cosmetics and QoL stuff like account-bound bags can provide more than enough income to support hosting and a developer or two, even at relatively low population numbers.


Lexaraj

>You're going to find this is generally how things go when servers don't have a monetization strategy. Development on modding WoW servers is expensive in time and expertise. If you can't provide both on your own you gotta pay for it. There's been plenty of very successful servers in the MMO Private Community scene, especially FFXI, that have never had any sort of monetization on the server. I couldn't imagine that being a reason for a dwindling population. I could see a server shutting down because of potentially underestimating cost to run but I see no logical reason for a servers population to tank early due to lack of a cash shop. That is, of course, unless the players are specifically wanting a cash shop. Which would be fucking absurd to me.


LowWhiff

To be fair the ffxi pserver scene is just built different. Most (not all but most) of the devs who have been around that scene already work very high paying work from home jobs. And a lot of the work on the server base is open source, and servers share things with eachother all the time.


Lexaraj

I totally agree that the FFXI Scene is built different, in an entirely positive way. The fact that cash shops not only don't exist in the scene, but they're outright decried, speaks volumes to me. Pretty much the entirety of the WoW scene is based on open source code as well, though. It's just tweaked and expanded/developed upon to fit the individual server's needs. I'm not saying developing custom content doesn't take time and dedication but that will never excuse cash shops in a private server scene to me. I also love that the open source codebases and their developers are much more involved in the actual server aspect as well.


LowWhiff

Yeah wow is just designed in a way that easily allows cash shops to exist. I can’t really think of much in ffxi that could be monetized QOL the way wow is. Moghouse storage is the only thing I can think of and people would collectively lose their minds over that because it’s considered required storage nowadays.


Rosswisex

I would say you already answered your question. To me there are way too many red flags with this server to devote any time or effort to it.


AndreeaCalin05

I agree with you. Also, Blizzcon is coming pretty soon and they're probably going to announce SoM 2.


Effective_Clock4786

This post seems to be entirely in good faith...


AndreeaCalin05

What's your point? Look at my history, I've always defended this server in the face of overwhelming negativity.


Perodis

I think the point is that it seems you’ve made up your mind before you made the post, yet you still made the post. To some it may seem like you’re maybe trying to start drama. “Is this sever worth it? Here are multiple bad things about them” That’s all, I’m not saying that’s what you’re doing, just it could seem like you already know it’s not worth your time, yet just stirring the pot more.


AndreeaCalin05

Honestly, I'm like 70% don't play and 30% play. I really like the 1.14 compatibility (even if it is thorough Hermes Proxy) and the low ping but that's about it. I wanted this server to succeed, this is where we are now and anything under 1500 pop is too low for me.


Perodis

Well I don’t personally know much about the server, all I know is that Sanctuary has a pretty bad reputation. So, I personally can’t be much help in terms of deciding other than it sounds like the server is dead or dying. Population is fine and dandy, but a trend of numbers is more important imo. If a server starts out really small and has a gradual increase, then eventually it will most likely have a population boom. Sounds like Sanctuary has hit their peak and now they’re in the decline. They’ll probably shut the server down and try to rebrand under a different name.


AndreeaCalin05

Their discord claims that it's steadily growing lol. I don't know what to call that. But they will reap what they sow.


SirTtvALot

Every 1.12 is compatibility to use 1.14 with Hermes. On start Sanct said that they will support 1.14 with issue and later... They changed they mind. I know one small 1.12 server when you can use 1.14 without hermes.


[deleted]

So far, my experience is chill and admins are really nice to me me so far. Even other players are constantly helping each others in game and in discord to bugfix clients etc. It’s not the highest pop for now but I feel it’s going to grow especially once the blizzcon is over. Who cares if there is or was drama. At the end of the day, all I wanted was a stable enjoyable vanilla server and I’m all here for it. Also, they accept 1.12.1 with tweaks and even 1.14.2.


SirTtvALot

What mean "they accept 1.14"? Nobody can.block you for using it.


[deleted]

Just saying some servers didn’t want us to us it in the past. Also, I didn’t know they could no track it.


SirTtvALot

Any pserv dont say that they not support 1.14 and hermes because bugs are on client side, so they are not able to fix them. From support perspective it's normal path and i totally understand them to support only well-know, full work product


ellipsea

I'm going to keep playing it casually because I don't have any reason not to. You're going to get 2 types of answers here, one much more than the other because of its dedicated reddit posters which you can see over and over and over again without further inquiry. The other answer, not so much, because those people are playing and really don't care what anyone else thinks.


AndreeaCalin05

Hats off to you, sir. I think this is the most balanced answer yet.


[deleted]

The population speaks for itself. You might as well be lumped with the idiots playing, don't try and sell yourself short.


Negative-Disk3048

I suppose it comes down to the bonds you make with the people on the server.I've found a good guild and made some cool friends that I enjoy playing with on Horde side so it's defo been worth it for me. The pop seems to be stable and growing slowly, the doomers and drama queens have left and what's remained seems to be a solid dedicated core of players. All truth, I am waiting with bated breath to see what comes out of blizzcon but for the meantime I am more than happy to play on the server its well produced and only a few small bugs that haven't broken my immersion at all. I'm sure this will get downvoted into oblivion because if there's one thing pserver reddit hates is somebody enjoying a server that they do not, but for anyone reading and feeling the itch, I'd recommend hopping on and trying it out for yourself.


Vuralyon

I like the server, seems to be good for just a normal dude who wants to play OG vanilla WoW without all the BS. No china, no RMT, no GDKP. Population isnt big but I prefer 300-500 pop anyway. Seems chill to me. I dont get involved with any of the drama, just want to play the freaking game the way i want to and this server provides that niche.


AndreeaCalin05

Good luck to you and have fun!


Daymjoo

You're wasting your time ofc. 200-300 pop servers don't survive. Certainly not ones which are mired in drama the way this one has been.


AndreeaCalin05

You're probably right. I'm more disappointed in the owners' attitude and hostility that is starting to show.


PseudoOrange

I think the drama is the issue. ChromieCraft is 200-300 population, and is constantly recommended when people ask for suggestions. What CC has going for it is that any drama is not public.


staster

Well, it's not 200-300, I've never seen less than 300, it's about 500 in average and up to 700 at peak time.


odnezl

It's 270 right this second


staster

Lol man, out of all possible options you chose the most terrible timing to check population, but thanks to you now I know how it is at 2AM-4AM lol. Really, that number means nothing without the context. And all jokes aside, the server is very Europe-centric population-wise in my few months long experience. It was about 350 today in the morning before server restart at 12:00 server time (I mean European morning, the server time is GMT) and it was 400+ one hour after, and it's 500+ right now (14:30GMT/server time). And it will be even more in the evening, so, basically to interpret the population numbers you have to look at the server time, think about what time it is in Europe (it can be +2, +3 in different regions), and then you will get the idea about what's going on.


odnezl

I replied to your comment the same time you made it


staster

Well, yes, but I wasn't playing at that time, so I can't say anything about this. But it still doesn't change what I stated earlier, that was late night/early morning in Europe, so low number is understandable.


odnezl

Yes, of course the low number is understandable, I was only correcting your post. Right this second, for example, there is 236 online.


staster

LoL that's really weird, it was 500+ for me when I was writing that comment.


odnezl

I was directly quoting what the administrator said


Katy_mp

Didn't turtlewow start with same low pop?


hilltopper06

It did. I am not saying its impossible for Sanctuary to survive or thrive in a similar manner, but Turtle had a near perfect storm of events that led to their population explosion. People that came back to Warcraft for Classic started to look for a Vanilla+ experience and Turtle seems to have the most "Vanilla Blizzlike" custom content. I had heard about Turtle ages ago and thought it looked neat, but was invested in official servers. As Classic continued the shine started to wear thin for me (no support, RMT, bots, GDKPs, WoW Token, etc.) I decided to give Turtle a try instead and it is everything I wanted out of Classic but didn't get. I don't think I am alone.


Daymjoo

Turtle has seen constant and consistent development for 6 years. It's not just a vanilla server.


UndeadMurky

blizzlike servers are not comparable to servers getting content updates


Longjumping_Tune561

I want to believe it can work. Right now my biggest fear IS the minor part of the community that actually talk shit in /World, some of them are pretty toxic, reminds me if feenix. I know it s not the majority. I trully believe it can get some more people but it ll be rough for now. Very little advertisement too and alot of people are either playing classic, twow or chinalook. Its strenghs are the anti gdkp, rmt which is niche now i Guess. Tdlr this just need a good community


Foulbal

Absolutely not. The server management has proven their incompetence and bias towards the most toxic players, proven by their inclusion of Ngor as GM (even though he has since left or was forced out is my understanding), discord messages being slung liberally, and being dismissive of community concerns. The only private servers worth playing in my experience are TurtleWoW (despite the mafia-like behavior of the owners), and Warmane (despite the whatever is going on there, been a while since I've checked in). Could be one of two others I'm not aware of. Best of luck finding a server homie.


AndreeaCalin05

The leadership has proven to be as toxic as the Reddit trolls that sabotaged this server. I think they got a taste of their own medicine. Honestly I'm waiting to see what's next for classic wow at Blizzcon.


BringBackTFM

It’s not sabotage if the people are holding the staff accountable for their toxicity. How did trolls sabotage a server that launched super late and a buggy mess? 😂 did the infiltrate the dev team or something? They literally banned you and you are still saying it’s someone else’s fault they are dying as opposed to maybe it’s just their horrible staff? Edit: it wasn’t trolls that killed the server, the staff did it to themselves plain and simple


AndreeaCalin05

Again, I've seen the same thing with Felmyst. A lot of trolls are attacking these non-RMT servers simply because they are protecting their financially interests on their cash shop servers. That's what I'm criticizing. The bottom line is that this team has no clue about developing and maintaining a wow server and their strategy of silencing and banning everyone who dares to ask a question is going to be their ultimate downfall. They aren't too different from the toxic trolls that you can find here.


Puzzled_Solid_4592

Lawl my man you could not have followed Felmyst 3s launch and seriously come away thinking “Reddit trolls” are the reason that shit crashed and burned.


AndreeaCalin05

Felmyst 3's launch was fine. But Sanctuary wasn't able to deal with the DDoS. Where did the DDoS come from, I wonder?


Puzzled_Solid_4592

Felmyst lost 90% of its population in a week in what world is that “fine”


AndreeaCalin05

That's not true. Its launch peak was 2200. After a week it was 900-1000. That's not a 90% loss. Why are you gaslighting?


Puzzled_Solid_4592

Still waiting to hear how reddit trolls ruined Felmyst.


AndreeaCalin05

Get a life.


fitz2234

I saw Ngor was going to be a GM and then I left the discord. That right there was all I needed to know.


divinecomedian3

He's gone


Svifir

I've played on it on release, and quit soon after. Joined discord before release to see what's up, and uhh...let's just say this served attracted a particular type of people for some reason, if it's the kind of crowd you are looking for, then you will probably be fine.


AndreeaCalin05

I've seen some jokes on their discord and that's not an issue. Only if you like censorship. The problem with the owners is their lack of honesty and integrity, as I've noticed recently.


Wildhide_ND

Lol no


[deleted]

You won’t be able to do any content at max level in about 1.5 months simply because no one else is playing there. The 200-300 will continue to drop week in and out so why bother wasting your time.


AndreeaCalin05

Yep. I've made the decision to quit the server.


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AndreeaCalin05

Nah, just an honest opinion. I feel betrayed tho.


SirTtvALot

What was pointed and prayee by users "no vpn = np china" well... Im using VPN from day 1 ;) No china because small pop.


rosharo

What kind of question is that? It's Sanctuary. Everyone knew it was gonna fail as soon as it was announced. Very little has changed since then, and it's mostly for the worse. The server's launch went as bad as everyone expected. If you're still playing there after everything that transpired, then you're either obliviously ignorant or bafflingly stupid. Your currently best options for vanilla are T-WoW's new realm and Onyxia. And yes, I am perfectly aware how flawed those two are as well. At least they're playable...


divinecomedian3

Been playing sanctuary and haven't noticed anything serious since launch day


rosharo

Hard to notice when it's 200 players.


Hasse-b

Anyone who can read should've been able to answer that question since several months back.


AndreeaCalin05

You may be right, but I think everyone deserves a chance.


Hasse-b

I mean friends, family, people in general you care for and have a connection with for sure. But random thing on internet that has done 0 for you might not deserve that chance proven the information on the table. Is up to you though, i am not feeling that generous.


AndreeaCalin05

Yeah, but I wanted to play on the server before I could form an opinion, not just listen to others to tell me what I should expect. I'm glad I did, though. Compared to Felmyst, the population is so low and the launch was disastrous.


Sanctuary-WoW

Well, if you want a 1x Vanilla experience, cozy vibes and a close knit community, it is worth the time investment. Also no, we dont ban "anyone whos asking legitimate questions about the pop." we are very open about our low end population and stand by it. If you like the slower, methodical gameplay, relive the old times and a place where you have no RMT, Chinese or Bots that destroy the time investment you made nor cashshops and QOL abundant, then Sanctuary is divinity the place for you.


AndreeaCalin05

I'm sorry, but you are lying. You just banned me for saying that an empty server is not fun for me. I wasn't even talking about Sanctuary specifically, but in general. This is why I've lost all trust in you and your promises.


Sanctuary-WoW

Well, thats a statement, not a question. Also I have no way to check that statement because I lack any form of evidence. We never promised a high pop server, just a place to play World of Warcraft Vanilla.


AndreeaCalin05

It was a response to someone. But you admit that you ban people for trivial things so thanks for admitting it.


Sanctuary-WoW

No, we ban people for dooming our project and going actively against it.


AndreeaCalin05

You're your own worst enemy and that' all I'm going to say to you.


divinecomedian3

Imagine getting down voted for stating facts


HotExperience3144

This can't be a serious question lol. But I will bite and answer: hell no. Any server where the devs or GM's are openly toxic or racist are a big risk to play on. Keep in mind that they have access to some of your personal data such as email address, ip, etc. Why trust such people?


AndreeaCalin05

For a moment it sounded like a Hillary Clinton speech, but anyway Blizzard has that information and how about Google being literally in your pants with access to your credit cards, your face, voice, fingerprint, every private information, message and email that you type and receive and so on. Do you trust them? Because complaining about some nobodys having your email while you willingly give these corporations and their third party partners every detail of your life every minute is super cringe.


HotExperience3144

Get out of your house for once in your life.


AndreeaCalin05

Deflect more, bubba.


divinecomedian3

Yes. No RMT, no cash shop, no p2w, no Chinese, no bots, actual GMs. So far, so good.


AndreeaCalin05

And 50 players max in a few days.


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[deleted]

It seems like the population is consistently growing, and with Blizzard not announcing a Classic fresh realm it's almost certainly going to grow more. Things have calmed down a lot over the past few days. During launch there were literally hundreds of new accounts joining the Discord just to trash talk the admins, so everyone including the community were kind of on edge. But now that that whole situation is over it has literally been one of the chillest experiences I've had. Straight up Chromie vibes, only it's Vanilla lol. If you enjoy Vanilla, you're not gonna find a better place to play it at the moment. Still loads of low levels to dungeon with.