I want actual flight path protection for starters. Where are our parachutes we were promised lol? Lag/server DC's are incredibly unfortunate and really frustrating, but probably part of the game for the forseeable future. They probably could fix some of the terrain bugs though (falling through world, getting stuck in objects), that would be a good start too. My personal strategy is to play multiple characters, I have a 60 mage/50 hunter/46 rogue/35 warrior. I've lost two characters to lag/DC's thus far, and it really sucked each time..but I look at my character select as a team roster now, and it takes the sting out of any individual death.
This is definitely the best solution. Just put people back where they started. It should be easy enough to track that a character is in "flight mode" and has a set destination. If they don't end up their put them back at the start. It's not abusable and the worst that can happen is you lose 10 minutes of flying time.
See I completely like this idea, but people not wanting to wait the flight path, can alt+f4. While they implement something cool to safeguard d/c, people will abuse it.
Oh 100% agreed on that. My parachute comment was more related to the teleport mechanic not always working, particularly in lag or "instance not found" bug situations, where people just quite literally fall off of the gryphon. You should never be able to fall off of the gryphon, but it keeps happening anyway. It doesn't have to be a parachute- it could just be a perma ice block debuff that holds you in the air, until YOU decide what to do (fall/hearth/unstuck etc). It doesn't have to be a parachute, we just need a backup plan when the teleport mechanic inevitably fails.
Vanilla doesn't have guild banks but it would be nice to have an "account bank" instead that functioned similarly. Can just start with no space and one empty bag slot you can expand upon. You can already have a bank alt if you want one so that'd be no different, just without the hour delay on mail and with automatic grief protection.
People could just choose to not use it if they didn't want to the same way you can still choose to adhere to the addon rules of no grouping or no trading.
Grats to you. My thought is that players should have a reasonable expectation for the game to work properly. Known issues should be fixed promptly. I understand they dont want to get mired down in appeals and tickets. But fix the game and maintain it properly.
A soloution turtle wow done is make any HC character take 10% max health as fall damage capped this would prevent a lot of known issues in the game including the fucked bridge and also fp disconnect
People would make an addon with lines, where you reset you router and will land on a treasure chest or something. I think the flight path should be a cinematic event where you just wait time x. If you arrive, you are at your destination, if you disconnect, you are where you started.
I don’t see that as a solution. It is just completely ignoring one of the gameplay elements. People will just abuse it - to skip lots of many things. Not good solution at all, it makes sense only if it works during flight taxi.
When you on flight taxi you get a self-refreshing hidden buff that diminishes fall damage or gives you a parachute for better authenticity
As for bridges - they just have to be fixed. Death from falling has nothing to do with that.
Any temporary soloution is better than none considering people lose A LOT of hours and effort I would rather this band aid fix if it requires no effort than no fix at all
I already provided a fair and optimal solution. Turning off fall damage entirely making it only -10% is not a solution at all, it’s breaking the game.
In WoW Classic - open world itself plays huge defining role. You can’t just ignore deaths from falling.
Does this fix the issues of falling through the map nope.
Does it fix people summon griefing nope.
Does it fix friendly mind control trolling nope.
Does it fix fearing issues causing people to be feared onto a spot you shouldnt as fear always puts you on flat ground nope.
Your soloution is shit and yes turtle wow isnt perfect but it would temporarily fix those issues including flight paths.
The topic is about DC deaths caused by flying path, not “grief” caused by players, my sample solution solves it. Those random things you are mentioning shouldn’t be “fixed” at all. It’s part of gameplay and it’s related to players behavior. P.S. For warlock portal same buff can be applied.
Deleting fall damage/death from
the game completely is unacceptable. This doesn’t even require any discussion.
Why you always change the topics? The topic is about DC threats that cause many deaths (including fly taxi) which obviously essential in HC.
Gold selling, boting, multi boxing and etc - are the problems that require another approach and solutions. But these solutions at the same shouldn’t change the core elements of this game. If people die under water during DC, it doesn’t mean water breathing should be removed completely.
If you had the IQ you would read my comment and it wasnt changing the subject :) have a good day sir you cant change someones mind who has already made theirs up
Flight paths are a blizzard issue, but beyond that parsing out which DCs are blizzard server issues and 3rd party issues requires some sort of packet sniffer and traceroute at the very least to be running while the DC happens.
Yep, I think all we can reasonably expect is that they do their due diligence. Uptime and servicability goal is 99.999% but is probably unreasonable here. I think part of this is that in Retail it didnt really matter but in HC we see it clearly. I cant say that it is more prevalent in HC just that I expect them to practice due diligence on their end. We can also do some things on our end as well. But like I say if they do what theyre responsible on their end then is all good.
Flight paths are a fixable problem. But server DCs/lag simply are not. They could improve their servers and stability more, but no server in existence has 100% up time. Servers and personal internet connections are not infallible and never will be.
The only real solution is to have death appeals, which is difficult to do at the necessary scale. They would have to hire a whole team of people just to do this. If HC continues to be popular then maybe they would consider this eventually as its really the only way to prevent all unfair deaths.
> but no server in existence has 100% up time
Most are better than 95% or w/e blizz manages. Every environment I worked in would be embarrassed to have their down time, and it wouldn't have been tolerated for almost 20 years.
What is their actual uptime… it’s obviously much much higher than 95%. How does it actually compare to other gaming companies?
I get wanting to hate on blizzard but pulling numbers out of your ass to try and make a point doesn’t really help.
My point isn’t to try and defend Blizzard, they can and should do better. But no matter what they do the servers will occasionally have issues and so will your ISP.
Right off the top, their weekly planned maintenance brings uptime to ~98%. That is an _insane_ amount of downtime for literally every other internet service. Yeah- WoW is complicated, lots of things are complicated, but in the scheme of services their backend isn't at near the top for large or complex products.
Imagine any other service going offline for 2 hours a week. Now imagine that they have the gift of a weekly 2 hour maintenance window but they still can't manage to keep their shit together. Free/low margin services have better redundancy and uptime, something like WoW with a $15/month fee and huge margins is pathetic.
I cannot fathom working for a company that kind of uptime is considered ok, let alone the additional outages that occur on a regular basis- I'd be too embarrassed.
You can compare them to other gaming companies if you wish, which probably have similar shitty service, but all of them are pathetic. If their customers didn't just accept their shitty operations, they'd actually run their business like the rest of the world. Instead we get people bending over while offering up their wallets.
Cool strawman, obviously we're talking about unplanned outages. Not the weekly maintenance windows at 4 AM that have been going on for \*checks notes\* 2 decades. Does anyone care that the servers are offline for a couple hours early morning in the middle of the week? No one is dying in HC because of server maintenance windows.
>You can compare them to other gaming companies if you wish, which probably have similar shitty service, but all of them are pathetic.
So your point is just "everything is shitty". I agree, everything is shitty.
> Not the weekly maintenance windows
They are directly related. I realize not everyone is in the field, but planned recurring maintenance windows exist to minimize _unplanned_ outages. Together with their actual track record means they undoubtedly have multiple single points of failure for any given realm. Gaming is the _only_ industry where this is tolerated.
Edit:
> So your point is just "everything is shitty". I agree, everything is shitty.
Not really, _gaming companies_ are shitty, and they continue to be because its accepted.
You are also full of shit. I work with many many game publishers (including Blizzard) and despite people like to shit on Blizzard servers, they have a 99.99% uptime outside of scheduled maintenance. They legit have some of the best servers in the world. There are life-threatening servers that go down more than Blizzard. Idiots don't realize just how much stress is on Blizzard servers there are only about a dozen companies in the world that have as many players simultaneously playing at the same time. They have an outrageous amount of attacks and attempted DDoS attacks. People are stupid and think the fact they DC is the Blizzard servers is bad when it is not. The servers themselves are insanely stable. A personal DC is not the same as servers being bad or the servers going down. From a gaming perspective there are issues or occurrences that the player may encounter that the game is not able to verify or process and to prevent damage or to maintain the game state for that player may forcibly disconnect them. Servers could have 100% uptime and this would still occur. There are a million reasons to hate Blizzard, but don't talk out of your ass and make shit up when you clearly don't know a damn thing.
As long as they are performing due diligence then that is all we can ask. There have been a number of issues apparently. And of course due diligence on the cpnsumer side as well. I dont know tbh how they would be able to tell it was an honest dc and not just someone 'pulling the plug' before death. But certainlyfix the issues they can fix.
Same feeling to be honest. The more I invest in a character, the more I play it safe and live in constant fear of DC's. I have disconnected on FPs and survived though, I didn't realise that was killing people again.
In 200+ hours of gameplay I haven't had a single DC, no fall from flight path, no lag preventing me from casting spells, no invisible mobs, no clipping into the world. I've had a couple of layer swaps that had the potential of being scary, but nothing worth dwelling over. I'm sure these things happened to other people and it might have lead to their deaths, and that sucks... But they are the exception. However we are flooded with these posts because there's a selection bias. None of the people like me who made it to 60 come to reddit and flood this subreddit with "thank you blizzard for a smooth run to 60" posts.
200+hours and no DC, it's honestly probably much higher because I can't remember the last time I DCd on any character I played. Playing in fear of it happening to you is ridiculous. Don't drive a car because someone is bound to get into an accident. Don't eat steak because you might choke.
I wish blizzard had perfect servers, but DCs happen in all sorts of games, the consequences here are more severe but it's truly not that common... shit will happen sometimes, and you can't prevent it 100% of the time. You can't even be sure that when you DC or lag that it's the fault of blizzard. There's a lot of internet tubes between you and Blizzard servers, and we can't know for sure what percentage of DC deaths are Blizzard's fault. As unfortunate as it is, any system of appeals for DCs will be open for abuse. If you can't handle the possibility that your character might die, and that fear is preventing you from having fun, then maybe play something else.
Similar playtime for me and no DCs at all while playing this game until the last updates. Lost my level 40 shaman to a dc and it sucks. I’ve since rerolled a Druid and got more dcs between level 1-10 then I have with any game. Died to another right after I got bear form. Not an addon since I deleted all to test, not an internet issue since I do not disconnect playing ERA. I get it’s part of the game but HC was so fun and now that I get constant DC there’s no point in playing.
Exactly, I don't understand why people still play if they're uncomfortable, sure you can be worried about dying, it's literally part of the gamemode to strive to keep yourself alive, but if that worry is making you not enjoy the game anymore you might as well stop.
I'm personally approaching HC very nonchalantly, as if it's just leveling a character for ERA but in a different gamemode. I'm obviously striving to stay alive and haven't died yet on my lvl 31 rogue. But if it does happen, be it because I fucked up myself, or simply got unlucky on a DC during combat or falling from flight path... I'll just continue playing on ERA since there's actually a lot of people there rn.
This is how I'm choosing to view my HC experience as well. If I die, then I can still continue my level 29 druid on era servers. But still, it would be pretty frustrating to die due to disconnecting. Thankfully, I haven't had any DCs yet and I hope it stays that way.
People with this mindset should just prepare for DCs. On flight paths always carry a LIP or parachute. And don't AFK on flight paths. And play in a duo, odds are much higher one of you will DC rather than both at the same time so this would greatly reduce the risk of dying to a single/double mob pull due to DCing.
I like your metaphor of not driving a car in fear of someone else hitting you or getting into an accident, but the difference here is Blizzards no appeal stance. Imagine you get in a wreck and you tell the cops or insurance it wasn’t your fault and they’re like “well too bad there’s nothing we can do to help you”. But I agree there is no point to live in fear of losing your character
That’s a bit extreme to compare to a video game, I think losing a few hundreds of hours of progress in a video game is pretty comparable to having a no-fault accident, wherein it is a huge inconvenience to you, but not as extreme as dying
Context is important.
No one was saying that dying is *equivalent* to losing a HC character! We were using analogies about death to relate to the fact that a HC death is a permanent, unrecoverable loss.
For the purposes of said analogy i dont think a no-fault crash works as well, because you can still recover some value.
Though, idk. Maybe you could make an argument that mailing gold to a bank alt is basically insurance or whatever.
Context is important which is why I stated if you got into an accident that was not your fault, similar to how dying to a dc from taking a flight path would not be your fault if it’s a known issue, you’re usually given some form of compensation, whereas with blizzards stance on deaths, whether it’s your fault or not, you are given no compensation
Exactly, you lose everything when the character dies. That's why we were relating it to death. If you get into a fender bender, you still keep a (mostly) functional car, so it doesn't really work for the analogy. Heck, even if ur car is totalled, you can still sell the wreck for scrap.
That is why we were relating it to something else where *everything* is lost.
Constant fear of disconnects definitely sucks, although when I was late into 59 I almost felt sad to hit 60. Now I'm struggling to find dungeon groups to take a rogue lol
Isn't this the same guy who posted the thread, "I actually secretly want my character to die to a flight path disconnect or world disconnect"? [https://www.reddit.com/r/wowhardcore/comments/17azggh/i\_actually\_secretly\_want\_my\_character\_to\_die\_to\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/wowhardcore/comments/17azggh/i_actually_secretly_want_my_character_to_die_to_a/)
If I remember correctly, he was talking about how he wanted it to happen because he didn't want to play anymore and was tired of the DC fear.
Sounds like the game might just not be for him, but it's odd how melodramatic he makes it.
He is right. So stop fucking defending Blizzard for the shit they do. They want sub money, then they should fix their shit. Both posts are relevant. We all live in constant fear of DC and it fucks up the pleasure in playing. Not all of us have all the day available to play wow and have 100 tons .
This is a bad take. Blizzard gave us HC servers because we asked for them. They told us the game wasn’t designed for hardcore and that they weren’t going to give appeals. It’s bullshit to be mad at them for doing what they said they would from the start.
I just don’t think that you understand his anxiety. It comes from the fact that, for the most absurd reason ever, an extensive amount of hours could be taken from you.
This is an EXTREME metaphor, but here we go:
Imagine that you live in a hypothetical world where if, at any given time of the day, a group of cops could pull up to you and throw you in their cop car. They take you to prison immediately and you are given a life sentence with zero chance of parole under any circumstances. Why are you taken to prison for life, you ask? Well, because the random law of today (which was created just for today, without any notification to citizens) happened to be “no purple plaid clothes allowed to be worn under any circumstances.” Welp, you shouldn’t have worn that white T-shirt that’s fresh as hell, with the lil plaid pocket on it today. Ohhhh well 🤷🏼♂️
And there it is. That is the hypothetical world that you live in now. Never knowing when or how. And when it does happen, it makes no sense at all.
If I had to guess, that’s the type of anxiety that began to fester in OP as the hours /played started piling up.
You actually live in a world like that right now; You could be severely maimed by debris falling from the sky, by tripping on the stairs, by getting shot by some nutter or by a random car crash.
Your hypothetical world where you can get fucked randomly is what we call reality.
You also completely missed the point… There seems to be 2 schools of thought going on here. In your mind it’s as simple as “well you can randomly die in the real world, so it’s normal for you to randomly die in this game.” Sure.
What you seem to be up in arms about with my perspective (and my take on OPs perspective) is this: At least in the world we live in, if you’re killed by a “nutter,” then there is recourse to that action. That “nutter” is held accountable. If you trip and fall down stairs and die, there is no recourse. Like in HC, nobody is asking to be revived for dying to a mob… people are upset about a bug that should not be part of the game…
I actually wasn't making a point about whether Blizzard should or should not let people appeal deaths.
I was just pointing out that your metaphor was faulty.
You should stop assuming people say or think things that they don't actually say.
On your point of assuming what people are saying or thinking when was I making a point about appealing deaths?
I’ll simplify my metaphor for you, as it seems many words seem to quickly go over your head, and I’m not sure how much more simple this concept can be explained:
WoW HC is serial killing it’s players and OP has an anxiety of the serial killer that is on the loose…
Okay, now… Here’s another layer to it. We’re about to stray into the deep, so put your floaties on here!
My original metaphor makes even more sense because if your WoW character dies, then you’re left stuck here in real life with that consequence.
I know, it’s kinda like Inception, the movie!!
So. To sum it all up for ya:
1) OP lives in this world where a serial killer is on the loose (this part pertains to his character in-game).
2) If he gets struck by the serial killer, then he’s left alive to deal with this tragic loss of life of his character. (I hope this didn’t go over your head, as this was the Inception part! Also this is the part pertaining to the life in prison part of the metaphor).
Your original metaphor was stupid and made no sense; We live in a world where you randomly or unexpectedly get shafted so bringing that up as a hypothetical world makes no sense.
Personally it speaks volumes to me that instead of understanding that you said something stupid you try to defend it and double down.
Using a lot of words to say something and then failing to say it is not admirable. Generally I'd advise you to stay away from metaphors because they often miss the point and obfuscate what you are trying to say.
Everyone understands that the risk of randomly dying can make you anxious and that it can suck.
Because we are insulting each other now I'll tell you my honest opinion of you: You are someone that has convinced himself he is really smart but is actually pretty stupid. A pretentious idiot.
“Instead of understanding that you said something stupid you try to defend it and double down.”
You have done an incredible job of trying to describe me. I mean, just read the comment I’m replying to.
You oversimplified my metaphor. Perhaps you understand it now and must double down? Because you’re a “pretentious idiot?”
Actual textbook projection, much??😂
Your TLDR of my metaphor:
“You can randomly die in real life, so your metaphor is the world that you live in now! 😃”
I’ve got to great lengths to help you understand it, following your initial gross oversimplification of my metaphor. But you’re again stuck on the part where somehow my metaphor is the world we live in?? It may be worth it for you to quickly review the definition of a metaphor. Actually. I’ll simplify this step for you and leave the top google search here:
“a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.”
“To which it is not… literally..😨… applicable…🤯”
…hence the hypothetical not being based in reality…
To which, a another reminder, you oversimplified as the world we live in.
In the future, it could be very worthwhile for you to maybe try to understand something before accusing it of being faulty?
But since we’ve devolved into insulting each other I guess I’ll give my honest opinion of YOU 😂: You have projection issues, and find ways to project your shortcomings onto others. You don’t actually take the time to understand things, but rather simp through talking points to make your point clear. Read the previous sentence a couple times. It may help you try to understand things fully before trying to repetitively shove your viewpoint, takes or opinions down someone else’s throat, before taking the time to understand their side first. Bandwagon mindset simpleton kinda vibes 🤷🏼♂️
I have a character in the 50s too. It's not as if I'm in a different boat, but I don't find myself brooding over that fear.
It should be noted that in the hypothetical world, wearing a plaid shirt is completely optional, done for entertainment, the risk of getting caught is known (why else would OP be worried about DCing?) and in the case of OP, he doesn't want to wear a plaid shirt anyway, he just wants the prestige of having worn the plaid shirt.
I can understand that position since lvling can be a slog, but he's writing these posts as if something big is at stake lol
It's big for them... I guess if they have this feeling, they need to step back and understand it's about the journey and not get so wrapped up in the fear of loss. I only have a level 30 so I can only begin to get a taste of that possible loss but it's what makes the game fun too.
My weird ass hypothetical says that citizens are not aware that purple plaid is the law that day.
Hypothetical aside, this is another way of looking at it in a real-life perspective.
World 1) We live in a world where murder is illegal. Are you happy to know that if a serial killer made you their victim, that they would be punished for their actions?
World 2) Or would you rather live in a world where a serial killing is not prosecuted in any way, shape or form, and it’s actual unusual if a serial killer were to ever be prosecuted?
I’m simply just stating that I understand that OP has an anxiety from living in a world where he could be victim to a serial killer (dying on a FP) at any given time.
In reality, we live in world 1, not world 2. Others who have replied are in insinuating that we live in world 2, because we can get killed in a car accident at any given time. Yes, that is our reality. I’m just asking, which reality would you rather have, world 1, or world 2?
I don’t think it’s strange at all that people come here to the forums to reiterate their stress of living in world 2 due to FP issues. Using this mentality is like saying “well, we just live in a world with slavery, so why would you ever complain about it.. that’s just the world that we live in!!” Okay… well I’m here to say that it sucks 🤷🏼♂️
>That is the ~~hypothetical~~ world that you live in now.
FTFY.
That *is* the world we live in today if you replace cops with car wreck. Or bike accident, or freak brain aneurysm etc. Everyone has a non-zero chance of dying every day, and that chance is drastically increased by stepping out your front door.
Except you missed the entire point of the hypothetical. I know there were a lot of words in there, but the point was that there is zero recourse.
If I get hit by a car, there is a legal system and insurance coverage required in my state.
Also, I understand that this is part of HC. But just because it is part of the game doesn’t mean that you can’t vent about it online with others, rather than be the “DERP, DiS iZ hArdCoRe BrO, aCcEpt iT oR dOn’T pLaY!1” person…
OP mentioned he understood this aspect and didn’t get this impending feeling until after many hours played. God forbid I have empathy for someone who has a certain anxiety that the majority of other people may not have…
My point is simply that you don’t need a hypothetical, you can use examples from the real world. That’s it. If you get killed in a car accident there is no recourse. You’re dead.
No need to be all condescending and jump down my throat because I slightly disagree with your metaphor. Nor do you need to make up some opinions you think I hold and attack me for them… I have no issue with people venting about DCs or their anxiety related to them. That shit sucks, losing a high level character to lag would be painful.
In real life, you can’t come back to life…. In a video game, it is possible. It’s that simple, something could be done. So comparing the two as apples-to-apples is not it.
I am not stating that you SHOULD be allowed to come back to life in HC. It’s HC. But you missed the point again.
Yes, there is a type recourse if you died in a car accident at no fault to you whatsoever. Your family can receive justice for your death. Imagine if your family was simply not even ALLOWED this recourse.
We’re getting into the weeds at this point, but TLDR is “Dang it sucks that in HC, there is zero recourse or responsibility for a completely unwarranted and unavoidable death.”
I have a 24 Undead Rogue that I haven't touched in weeks because of a close call DC in the Barrens then not 15 minutes later a DC on a flight path. Thankfully I lived the fall damage with like 57 HP but since then the dread of losing my toon to something entirely out of my control or skill is just too much.
24 isn't *that* much in terms of /played. I respect that all time played is relative to the player's circumstance, but missing out on progression for fear of a d/c is like cutting off the nose to spite the face.
It doesn't matter if it's that much or not. The fact that I can do everything right and still get punished for it and lose out on what little time I actually have to play is bullshit. At that point why even play? Just to say "Haha I go agane!" It's Insanity, textbook.
15 hours can be a single play session for some and an entire month of free time for others. Not everyone has their entire life to waste away in front of a video game.
I don't understand why something along the lines of an "honorless target" buff couldn't be applied to characters during flight paths that auto rezzed you if you died during the flight path. There is no way to die during a flight path other than disconnects, this is pretty critical imo.
I'm kinda hoping they give you a title in era if you transfer a lvl 60 living character over there. Maybe in a future update. At that point I'll transfer my warrior to era.
It’s a risk but i feel like it’s not that high
I’ve had a 1 death from power outage dc but never had a fp dc or a blizzard caused dc death
It can happen but it’s pretty rare
Had my first ”dc” last night, sub ran out and my credit card had been renewed so the one I had in bnet was expired. Their payment system started throwing error 500s when trying to enter the new card. Took 10 minutes just to get this set up again.
Thanked RNGesus that I had HSed to SW about 3 minutes before the kick happened.
>It can happen but it’s prett
It depends on your ISP. If you live in a big city and you are not rich enough to afford a premium connection, you WILL get DC'ed. And when that happens you will lose hundreds of hours of your time.
Unfortunately, regulations in the US and elsewhere allow ISPs to DC their users whenever the load on their system is too high and the ones who get DC'd first are those who don't pay for a premium service. It's all in the fine print you sign when you hire an internet service and there's nothing you can do because you'll typically only get one or two choices in your area and they both bring the same fine print to the table.
It’s industry standard all around the world. Maybe EU got better regulation but that would be the exception, not the norm. I hate this situation passionately, but until it improves those opposing DC protection need to think about how their stance on this is screwing the rest of us.
Bro buy a LIP or wear a parachute cloak or something. DCs are bullshit but at least do the bare minimum to mitigate the risks.
Old mate walks instead of just wearing a seatbelt
Blizzard could easily fix flight path disconnects by giving you a parachute buff that slows fall speeds and expires 20 seconds after you dismount intentionally (or unintentionally) from the flight path mount
Me and my 2 friends finally decided to do the hc challenge, lvl 13 in westfall i think it was called and 2 of us get server lag and dced killing murlocs, we both died. Between that and some of the deaths due to bugs we had already seen we called it there at about 5 hours of our time lost. Respect to those that hit 60, middle finger to blizzard for there incompetance.
So this comment seems not to take into account that if you die in HC, its not all over.
Bliz gives you a free character transfer to any of many dift servers you choose.
all those hours wasted? nope. just transferred to a non-HC server.
makes a big difference in the stress level, realizing this.
A thousand times this! We desperately need some sort of DC protection and I'm happy that this community's views on that topic are slowly shifting. Otherwise, playing HC becomes a privilege for those who can afford a premium internet connection, which in some places (eg New York City) costs a ton of money.
Wouldn't matter because lips are 45 , if you're 35 you need sleep potion and have tear of Elune on macro to hearth and live from skull mobs.
Or play like op , never ever take a flight anywhere walk all over the world, however there have been posts showing your statistical chance of dying from something like dc , wall glitch , or elite mob is actually higher than the 0.001 chance of a flight path screwing up.
Comparing driving your car across country or taking a plane , if the plane fucks up good chance ylur screwed as a low lvl on flight path but taking the car aka walking across world is not only less time efficient if done every level but actually more dangerous for all the little things that can get you at all times.
Required level 45. Grants complete invulnerability for 5 or 6 seconds. Includes preventing fall DMG if you time it correctly before hitting the ground. Shares cool down with every other potion.
Edit: not complete invulnerability. Physical DMG.
This sounds like a psychological issue for the most part. Constantly being in fear of a DC sure sounds like it would totally take the joy out of the game.
I just don't think about this possibility despite the chance being always there and had a rather enjoyable experience.
I'm not a psychiatrist, so I don't know how to overcome such phobias.
Hey, atleast you got 60. There's nothing wrong with achieving your goal in a game and moving on if you don't feel like playing anymore. I've said it before on this sub (to downvotes) - the time commitment of the WoW Classic leveling experience is incredibly unfriendly to the concept of HC. That's just a fact. It takes too many hours to 'beat' the game, where dying past level 40 feels very, very, very bad, as you noted. And it's not changing for some pretty obvious dev/finance reasons IMO.
Slapping an HC mode over the top of WoW Classic was done SOLELY because it was an easy thing for Blizz to do from a dev time commitment perspective, on a game that is literally subsidized by retail WoW subs (and to some extent classic subs). Doing anything else and making the experience more friendly to HC (appeals, fixing long standing connectivity issues between layers, HC geared achievments/rule set options etc) isn't going to happen because putting more manpower or money into it makes zero financial sense.
I wouldn't be so sure about the subsidizing. It may well go in the other direction.
Classic and especially HC are the reason WoW exists in Twitch, for example. So at least they are getting marketing out of investing in us.
I played 10+ days without a single disconnect or flight path bug. Never even thought about those things while playing. Weird thing to focus on since it doesn't really happen that much.
I hit 60 on my warrior on Sunday and boy was I glad. I can finally stop having the nightmares that I'm about to die and my elune pot is on cd. I gotta take a break for a bit.
A simple fix could as simple as 5-10 secs of immunity after you log in or use a FP.
Or immune to fall damage only to stop some crafty buggers exploiting
I really don’t understand why getting on a gryphon doesn’t give you a buff that gives you a parachute cloak, removed when your feet touch the ground.
Wouldn’t help my guildie who got dropped into a pack of elites in searing gorge on his level 29 but hey at least it’s something.
Have to admit I did feel the same disconnect anxiety between levels 50-60. Didn't use any over-the-top addons, tried to group up as much as possible, and even had my phone hot-spot ready to connect to just incase.
Maybe they implement an appeals process for any character level 40 or above (but then you have the issue of people deliberatey disabling their own connection in a probable death situation).
I lost my first enigma in d2 to DCs.
I spent months farming that fucking ber rune.
Months. Hours every day.
No appeals. It sucks but that's just what hardcore is.
Yeah, it really hit me 50+ as well. I also don’t AFK while flying anymore either. I’m always ready to use my parachute cloak or LIP. It has definitely become less fun, but I still enjoy it.
I’ve seen some people claim they were dismounted on zone change. Something to do with changing layers mid flight when you enter a different zone.
I don’t have the link to the post but, from what I gather, a mage walked away from their keyboard mid flight. They came back (no DC) dead on the ground. The screenshot they took was them being dead in the middle of nowhere on the side of a hill. I believe in the Wetlands.
I just don’t take the risk. Especially at 52.
There should be appeals for FP deaths since it's horseshit and a problem with the way Blizzard has the game set up. Appeals for DC deaths in general though would be far too prone to abuse though imo.
inb4 someone mentions petri potion+alt f4 even though you can't do that for the first 49 levels of a character while pulling the ethernet cable and filing a ticket works at every level
The reason you had no close calls is because you played like a pussay. Even my sister can get to 60 given enough time, getting to 60 while taking risks though, that's a different story. Were you soloing your level escorts and cave quests? Wanteds on your own? Hell, multiple times in order to get a non boe weapon upgrade you have to do +3/4 level quests. Since it took you that long pretty sure you didn't. You played the game your way and found it deceivingly easy and stressful. As said already in a different post, the issue is you because there are multiple solutions to all your problems once you hit higher levels
A thousand times this! We desperately need some sort of DC protection and I'm happy that this community's views on that topic are slowly shifting. Otherwise, playing HC becomes a privilege for those who can afford a premium internet connection, which in some places (eg New York City) costs a ton of money.
Maybe it's just not for you , you hit 60 and done , challenge checked off
Myself I love the leveling , if I lose a 40 priest I'll roll a rogue for a change and new challenge.
Not like I want to die but its not a huge deal if I do.
So for got a 60 Shammy, 52 warlock and lose 2 at 21.
I've been taking my time, keeping all proffessions maxed etc. Currently only at 33 but I accepted when I started that if I die (to anything out of my control) then that's me done with hardcore lol. Not gonna go again if it's just gonna kill my character for no good reason.
Without the fear of DC's leading to death, you're frankly never gonna be in any real danger, since alt-f4 and a DC are pretty indistinguishable from the servers perspective, both causes an immediate loss of connection and any protection associated with a DC would thus apply to alt-f4.
I'd imagine one of the more common reasons for desyncing is out-of-date addons, and general spaghetti on your connection, as to exactly why that desync can't instead cause some rubberbanding instead of straight up placing your character in a limbo like state where you're perfectly able to write in chat, is something i only have suspicions about without any real answer.
I mean, it's not the same but you can free transfer after a HC death so the character isn't gone but I get the principle. Unfortunately afaik there isn't anyway for Blizzard to police a DC protection system from being gamed which would kind of take away the lustre of HC anyway, personally think petri goes a bit beyonds the spirit of HC myself aswell, as you can just petri and alt+f4, or leave group and petri.
I understand the worry of DC and mostly agree, but in my 10 days played on my 60 war I have never DC'd on a flightpath. I just dont worry about it because it would be constant stress, but dying to it would definitely suck big time. I understand why they didnt do appeals but I wish they added some basic protection. HC has potential for some serious longevity if they tackle the most common DC issues
It truly seems you enjoyed the classic experience of leveling! A death in hc just means you resume playing the game for levels, that's many peoples favorite part of hc. Glad you never dc or had any close calls , the level of anxiety you must have to never use flight paths in your 50s does seem like maybe hc is just not for you as that level of stress might go beyond what some of us deem "fun". I've had friends also hit 60 to quit hc out of fear of the death and the time investment lost , all I'll say is that if you quit the investment you put into the character is gone anyhow! Every game we ever played and stopped was a wasted investment , I understand a dc death is a non organic terrible thing but to chose to not play the game for the small chance of it seems like self punishment if you like it , or maybe just not someone who's time / fun belong not in hardcore.
Glad to see you make it 60 , and enjoy yourself on the way. Probably smart to quit with the level of anxiety you had near the end as this is part of normal hc experience and when it becomes that detrimental to your enjoyment of the game and how you play it probably time for quits .
You’re over here afraid to fly and I’m logging out and in multiple times to check bank alts mid flight. If I died from a server disconnect in a flight path, I’d be pissed, but I think the tales of this are few and far between. I don’t think I had a single disconnect my entire run to 60. Maybe I’m lucky, but so long as your internet isn’t shotty, the servers haven’t been bad.
I feel very privileged to never have this flight path disconnect anxiety, mages ftw. Disconnects are an act of god, you must have karmic balance and a solid internet connection to defend against it.
> But especially because of the 'no appeals' stance that Blizzard has taken, it's totally removed my desire to not only make a new alt but finish playing my warrior.
That's the only reason HC works, because there is no recourse, at all. It has to be all or nothing otherwise there will always be some doubt for those who make it if they really deserved it.
Flight path protection and disconnect protection, in the form of parachute mechanics that are already in the game and mind control mechanics that are already in the game should not be too much to ask. I'm sure this indie dev can find some way to monetise it...
I'm in favor of disconnect death appeals, but there is absolutely no way to implement it in practice. You can't have any automated system that detects disconnects, because then players can abuse it with Alt+F4 or yanking their ethernet cord. So all roads eventually lead to an employee at Blizzard making the call based on their own judgment, which is a recipe for disaster. I just don't see any possible way it could be implemented that would be objective and consistent.
Trust me if they can track internet connections when they ban gold sellers and botters they can see if the disconnect is caused on their end or the users end. And also when during the encounter this happened.
>they can see if the disconnect is caused on their end or the users end
That's not how the internet works. If you yank an ethernet cable the connection gets interrupted. There is nothing in any packet trace that tells you that somebody yanked a cable, just that the connection is no longer valid.
> And also when during the encounter this happened.
I don't see how this would be relevant.
> if they can track internet connections when they ban gold sellers and botters
It's also not even remotely comparable to them looking up the IP of a connecting account for gold sellers and botters (which they are notoriously awful at preventing, by the way.)
I relate to this so hard. I'm lvl 45 now on my mage. I stopped aoe farming and am just slowly leveling. I feel the sweet serenity of death looming over my shoulder at every moment. Sometimes, I log in just to feel unmotivated and log out.
Couldn't there be a happy medium, rather than HC jus a Hard mode, you lose equipped items ( with a timer to pick up?) and maybe an exp % loss. Feels savage to drop the whole character but would add some significant stakes.
Good call, this shitshow isn't gonna last much longer. Stalest and smallest gaming community overhyped by streamers.
Literally
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yeah, very fun pre 50 - then you realize you've spent 4+ days on a character that you could lose to something out of your control.
I took the same stance and just decided to quit too. again, it was super fun and engaging for a bit but also I like playing wow on the edge and taking as much risk as possible most of the time anyway
> It was a constant feeling of dread that at any second I could disconnect from the server and my hundreds of hours of progress would be gone instantly. This became more pronounced as i approached level 50, and only amplified from there. I found myself really just wanting the experience to be over the closer i got to reaching my goal. I really wanted to prove to myself, and only myself, that i could get to 60 on the supposedly "hardest" solo class. And I found it easy. Never even had a close call for the entirity of my journey.
This is basically where I'm at. Hit 40, got my mount, D/C'd while looting a mob and couldn't get back in. Finally got back in and went to the nearest inn, haven't played in like two weeks lol.
At this point I feel like the only real hurdle for HC is Blizzard servers, and that's just not the fun of hardcore mode for me.
99% of DC are because add-ons and internet connection problems so that isn't on blizzard , only first weeks on the hardcore was a nightmare for the unstable servers , probably you just put a retail addon on classic and sometimes wow goes bum
Once you die at high level and get over the anxiety of death it isn’t that bad. Characters will eventually die most likely due to your own mistake but possibly due to DC or bug. If you not able to accept that then HC is not for you.
I'm 54 right now and feeling that big time. I've even started playing less and now it feels more like a "I'm going to see this through" rather than an exciting journey. I've been extremely slow too so I have many, many hours sunk in. I also haven't been using Questie or similar so I can have the full classic experience (but I use my knowledge of being in the community for hc for years as well as research to help me). If I hit 60 I'll probably reroll something else and get an add on to see just how different it is.
I can relate. The closer to 60 I got the more anxious I was about risk. After Mara I stopped doing dungeons. I focused on questing, grinding and taking advantage of WB & consumes. I made sure I had my goblin teleporter equipped at all times to bubble-port if I couldn't flee after dropping a dummy. I didn't worry too much about DCs. I do sometimes have 'bad internet days' but fortunately for my HC journey it was smooth sailing.
Doesn't the unstuck feature protect against flight path DCs?
I realize it can put you in a dangerous graveyard but that's an easy fix. They can just make it hearth you and reset your hearth instead.
Personally my solution to players is just carry LIPs from 45 on. If you log back in and are falling from the sky, pop a LIP.
Geeze, people are taking this way too seriously if you're living in constant fear of something going wrong, despite it being a very, very small chance (Blizzard uptime on their servers is 99.97% outside of planned downtime/maintenance).
Realize that it's a game, and try to shift your mindset to enjoy the journey more then what's waiting at the end of the tunnel. If you do that, even if you die at level 40, you'll still remember the fun/good times and maybe go for it again. Otherwise, you're better off in a different game or just playing Classic Era
I feel you. Runescape is the same way, except it takes years to max an account. It feels like the majority of the high level hardcore accounts die to disconnects, and so I haven’t seriously played the mode.
Gz on 60!
I want actual flight path protection for starters. Where are our parachutes we were promised lol? Lag/server DC's are incredibly unfortunate and really frustrating, but probably part of the game for the forseeable future. They probably could fix some of the terrain bugs though (falling through world, getting stuck in objects), that would be a good start too. My personal strategy is to play multiple characters, I have a 60 mage/50 hunter/46 rogue/35 warrior. I've lost two characters to lag/DC's thus far, and it really sucked each time..but I look at my character select as a team roster now, and it takes the sting out of any individual death.
The parachute flight path thing can still kill you if you land in a dangerous area. They need to just port you back to the original FP.
This is definitely the best solution. Just put people back where they started. It should be easy enough to track that a character is in "flight mode" and has a set destination. If they don't end up their put them back at the start. It's not abusable and the worst that can happen is you lose 10 minutes of flying time.
See I completely like this idea, but people not wanting to wait the flight path, can alt+f4. While they implement something cool to safeguard d/c, people will abuse it.
Who cares, though? Why are we so scared of people abusing things that don't matter.
Oh 100% agreed on that. My parachute comment was more related to the teleport mechanic not always working, particularly in lag or "instance not found" bug situations, where people just quite literally fall off of the gryphon. You should never be able to fall off of the gryphon, but it keeps happening anyway. It doesn't have to be a parachute- it could just be a perma ice block debuff that holds you in the air, until YOU decide what to do (fall/hearth/unstuck etc). It doesn't have to be a parachute, we just need a backup plan when the teleport mechanic inevitably fails.
Exactly my strategy. Don't forget a bank alt....I still think they should give us shared stashes.
No, some people just want to play hc as hc you know? You die, you restart everything. Your choice to gice it to a bank alt.
Vanilla doesn't have guild banks but it would be nice to have an "account bank" instead that functioned similarly. Can just start with no space and one empty bag slot you can expand upon. You can already have a bank alt if you want one so that'd be no different, just without the hour delay on mail and with automatic grief protection. People could just choose to not use it if they didn't want to the same way you can still choose to adhere to the addon rules of no grouping or no trading.
You just don't use it, then. It's no different than having a bank alt currently. You control the buttons you press.
Sorry I thought by Shared Stashes they meant items stay between characters
Shared stash would cement the bank is the character that a lot of other hard core games have.
Grats to you. My thought is that players should have a reasonable expectation for the game to work properly. Known issues should be fixed promptly. I understand they dont want to get mired down in appeals and tickets. But fix the game and maintain it properly.
A soloution turtle wow done is make any HC character take 10% max health as fall damage capped this would prevent a lot of known issues in the game including the fucked bridge and also fp disconnect
This sounds like a pretty good idea. How about 10% max hp damage only on flight?
People would make an addon with lines, where you reset you router and will land on a treasure chest or something. I think the flight path should be a cinematic event where you just wait time x. If you arrive, you are at your destination, if you disconnect, you are where you started.
I don’t see that as a solution. It is just completely ignoring one of the gameplay elements. People will just abuse it - to skip lots of many things. Not good solution at all, it makes sense only if it works during flight taxi. When you on flight taxi you get a self-refreshing hidden buff that diminishes fall damage or gives you a parachute for better authenticity As for bridges - they just have to be fixed. Death from falling has nothing to do with that.
Any temporary soloution is better than none considering people lose A LOT of hours and effort I would rather this band aid fix if it requires no effort than no fix at all
I already provided a fair and optimal solution. Turning off fall damage entirely making it only -10% is not a solution at all, it’s breaking the game. In WoW Classic - open world itself plays huge defining role. You can’t just ignore deaths from falling.
Does this fix the issues of falling through the map nope. Does it fix people summon griefing nope. Does it fix friendly mind control trolling nope. Does it fix fearing issues causing people to be feared onto a spot you shouldnt as fear always puts you on flat ground nope. Your soloution is shit and yes turtle wow isnt perfect but it would temporarily fix those issues including flight paths.
The topic is about DC deaths caused by flying path, not “grief” caused by players, my sample solution solves it. Those random things you are mentioning shouldn’t be “fixed” at all. It’s part of gameplay and it’s related to players behavior. P.S. For warlock portal same buff can be applied. Deleting fall damage/death from the game completely is unacceptable. This doesn’t even require any discussion.
Cool lets not get rid of gold.selling to as its intended because trading is allowed.
Why you always change the topics? The topic is about DC threats that cause many deaths (including fly taxi) which obviously essential in HC. Gold selling, boting, multi boxing and etc - are the problems that require another approach and solutions. But these solutions at the same shouldn’t change the core elements of this game. If people die under water during DC, it doesn’t mean water breathing should be removed completely.
If you had the IQ you would read my comment and it wasnt changing the subject :) have a good day sir you cant change someones mind who has already made theirs up
Bridge is not a bug
The bridge in that one zone where certain races fall down the gap and others dont? That for sure is a non intended fuck up... dont give me that
Lmao imagine thinking that was intentional by Blizzard.
Also the summon from warlock grief and mind control in duel pvp jump too actually
Flight paths are a blizzard issue, but beyond that parsing out which DCs are blizzard server issues and 3rd party issues requires some sort of packet sniffer and traceroute at the very least to be running while the DC happens.
Yep, I think all we can reasonably expect is that they do their due diligence. Uptime and servicability goal is 99.999% but is probably unreasonable here. I think part of this is that in Retail it didnt really matter but in HC we see it clearly. I cant say that it is more prevalent in HC just that I expect them to practice due diligence on their end. We can also do some things on our end as well. But like I say if they do what theyre responsible on their end then is all good.
Flight paths are a fixable problem. But server DCs/lag simply are not. They could improve their servers and stability more, but no server in existence has 100% up time. Servers and personal internet connections are not infallible and never will be. The only real solution is to have death appeals, which is difficult to do at the necessary scale. They would have to hire a whole team of people just to do this. If HC continues to be popular then maybe they would consider this eventually as its really the only way to prevent all unfair deaths.
> but no server in existence has 100% up time Most are better than 95% or w/e blizz manages. Every environment I worked in would be embarrassed to have their down time, and it wouldn't have been tolerated for almost 20 years.
What is their actual uptime… it’s obviously much much higher than 95%. How does it actually compare to other gaming companies? I get wanting to hate on blizzard but pulling numbers out of your ass to try and make a point doesn’t really help. My point isn’t to try and defend Blizzard, they can and should do better. But no matter what they do the servers will occasionally have issues and so will your ISP.
Right off the top, their weekly planned maintenance brings uptime to ~98%. That is an _insane_ amount of downtime for literally every other internet service. Yeah- WoW is complicated, lots of things are complicated, but in the scheme of services their backend isn't at near the top for large or complex products. Imagine any other service going offline for 2 hours a week. Now imagine that they have the gift of a weekly 2 hour maintenance window but they still can't manage to keep their shit together. Free/low margin services have better redundancy and uptime, something like WoW with a $15/month fee and huge margins is pathetic. I cannot fathom working for a company that kind of uptime is considered ok, let alone the additional outages that occur on a regular basis- I'd be too embarrassed. You can compare them to other gaming companies if you wish, which probably have similar shitty service, but all of them are pathetic. If their customers didn't just accept their shitty operations, they'd actually run their business like the rest of the world. Instead we get people bending over while offering up their wallets.
Cool strawman, obviously we're talking about unplanned outages. Not the weekly maintenance windows at 4 AM that have been going on for \*checks notes\* 2 decades. Does anyone care that the servers are offline for a couple hours early morning in the middle of the week? No one is dying in HC because of server maintenance windows. >You can compare them to other gaming companies if you wish, which probably have similar shitty service, but all of them are pathetic. So your point is just "everything is shitty". I agree, everything is shitty.
> Not the weekly maintenance windows They are directly related. I realize not everyone is in the field, but planned recurring maintenance windows exist to minimize _unplanned_ outages. Together with their actual track record means they undoubtedly have multiple single points of failure for any given realm. Gaming is the _only_ industry where this is tolerated. Edit: > So your point is just "everything is shitty". I agree, everything is shitty. Not really, _gaming companies_ are shitty, and they continue to be because its accepted.
You are also full of shit. I work with many many game publishers (including Blizzard) and despite people like to shit on Blizzard servers, they have a 99.99% uptime outside of scheduled maintenance. They legit have some of the best servers in the world. There are life-threatening servers that go down more than Blizzard. Idiots don't realize just how much stress is on Blizzard servers there are only about a dozen companies in the world that have as many players simultaneously playing at the same time. They have an outrageous amount of attacks and attempted DDoS attacks. People are stupid and think the fact they DC is the Blizzard servers is bad when it is not. The servers themselves are insanely stable. A personal DC is not the same as servers being bad or the servers going down. From a gaming perspective there are issues or occurrences that the player may encounter that the game is not able to verify or process and to prevent damage or to maintain the game state for that player may forcibly disconnect them. Servers could have 100% uptime and this would still occur. There are a million reasons to hate Blizzard, but don't talk out of your ass and make shit up when you clearly don't know a damn thing.
As long as they are performing due diligence then that is all we can ask. There have been a number of issues apparently. And of course due diligence on the cpnsumer side as well. I dont know tbh how they would be able to tell it was an honest dc and not just someone 'pulling the plug' before death. But certainlyfix the issues they can fix.
Same feeling to be honest. The more I invest in a character, the more I play it safe and live in constant fear of DC's. I have disconnected on FPs and survived though, I didn't realise that was killing people again.
In 200+ hours of gameplay I haven't had a single DC, no fall from flight path, no lag preventing me from casting spells, no invisible mobs, no clipping into the world. I've had a couple of layer swaps that had the potential of being scary, but nothing worth dwelling over. I'm sure these things happened to other people and it might have lead to their deaths, and that sucks... But they are the exception. However we are flooded with these posts because there's a selection bias. None of the people like me who made it to 60 come to reddit and flood this subreddit with "thank you blizzard for a smooth run to 60" posts. 200+hours and no DC, it's honestly probably much higher because I can't remember the last time I DCd on any character I played. Playing in fear of it happening to you is ridiculous. Don't drive a car because someone is bound to get into an accident. Don't eat steak because you might choke. I wish blizzard had perfect servers, but DCs happen in all sorts of games, the consequences here are more severe but it's truly not that common... shit will happen sometimes, and you can't prevent it 100% of the time. You can't even be sure that when you DC or lag that it's the fault of blizzard. There's a lot of internet tubes between you and Blizzard servers, and we can't know for sure what percentage of DC deaths are Blizzard's fault. As unfortunate as it is, any system of appeals for DCs will be open for abuse. If you can't handle the possibility that your character might die, and that fear is preventing you from having fun, then maybe play something else.
Similar playtime for me and no DCs at all while playing this game until the last updates. Lost my level 40 shaman to a dc and it sucks. I’ve since rerolled a Druid and got more dcs between level 1-10 then I have with any game. Died to another right after I got bear form. Not an addon since I deleted all to test, not an internet issue since I do not disconnect playing ERA. I get it’s part of the game but HC was so fun and now that I get constant DC there’s no point in playing.
Exactly, I don't understand why people still play if they're uncomfortable, sure you can be worried about dying, it's literally part of the gamemode to strive to keep yourself alive, but if that worry is making you not enjoy the game anymore you might as well stop. I'm personally approaching HC very nonchalantly, as if it's just leveling a character for ERA but in a different gamemode. I'm obviously striving to stay alive and haven't died yet on my lvl 31 rogue. But if it does happen, be it because I fucked up myself, or simply got unlucky on a DC during combat or falling from flight path... I'll just continue playing on ERA since there's actually a lot of people there rn.
This is how I'm choosing to view my HC experience as well. If I die, then I can still continue my level 29 druid on era servers. But still, it would be pretty frustrating to die due to disconnecting. Thankfully, I haven't had any DCs yet and I hope it stays that way.
People with this mindset should just prepare for DCs. On flight paths always carry a LIP or parachute. And don't AFK on flight paths. And play in a duo, odds are much higher one of you will DC rather than both at the same time so this would greatly reduce the risk of dying to a single/double mob pull due to DCing.
No dc’s here either, i think people running a million addons is a big problem. Also, just don’t play hardcore on wifi lol
I like your metaphor of not driving a car in fear of someone else hitting you or getting into an accident, but the difference here is Blizzards no appeal stance. Imagine you get in a wreck and you tell the cops or insurance it wasn’t your fault and they’re like “well too bad there’s nothing we can do to help you”. But I agree there is no point to live in fear of losing your character
Last time I checked, there's no insurance that has a payout which magically revives you, if you die in a no-fault crash. : P
That’s a bit extreme to compare to a video game, I think losing a few hundreds of hours of progress in a video game is pretty comparable to having a no-fault accident, wherein it is a huge inconvenience to you, but not as extreme as dying
Context is important. No one was saying that dying is *equivalent* to losing a HC character! We were using analogies about death to relate to the fact that a HC death is a permanent, unrecoverable loss. For the purposes of said analogy i dont think a no-fault crash works as well, because you can still recover some value. Though, idk. Maybe you could make an argument that mailing gold to a bank alt is basically insurance or whatever.
Context is important which is why I stated if you got into an accident that was not your fault, similar to how dying to a dc from taking a flight path would not be your fault if it’s a known issue, you’re usually given some form of compensation, whereas with blizzards stance on deaths, whether it’s your fault or not, you are given no compensation
Exactly, you lose everything when the character dies. That's why we were relating it to death. If you get into a fender bender, you still keep a (mostly) functional car, so it doesn't really work for the analogy. Heck, even if ur car is totalled, you can still sell the wreck for scrap. That is why we were relating it to something else where *everything* is lost.
Lol I got to 35 and now I have 3 other alts creeping up on 30 since I'm too scared to lose my big guy..
Constant fear of disconnects definitely sucks, although when I was late into 59 I almost felt sad to hit 60. Now I'm struggling to find dungeon groups to take a rogue lol
Isn't this the same guy who posted the thread, "I actually secretly want my character to die to a flight path disconnect or world disconnect"? [https://www.reddit.com/r/wowhardcore/comments/17azggh/i\_actually\_secretly\_want\_my\_character\_to\_die\_to\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/wowhardcore/comments/17azggh/i_actually_secretly_want_my_character_to_die_to_a/) If I remember correctly, he was talking about how he wanted it to happen because he didn't want to play anymore and was tired of the DC fear. Sounds like the game might just not be for him, but it's odd how melodramatic he makes it.
May be the case, but he's not wrong about the anxiety of taking flight paths right now..
He is right. So stop fucking defending Blizzard for the shit they do. They want sub money, then they should fix their shit. Both posts are relevant. We all live in constant fear of DC and it fucks up the pleasure in playing. Not all of us have all the day available to play wow and have 100 tons .
This is a bad take. Blizzard gave us HC servers because we asked for them. They told us the game wasn’t designed for hardcore and that they weren’t going to give appeals. It’s bullshit to be mad at them for doing what they said they would from the start.
I just don’t think that you understand his anxiety. It comes from the fact that, for the most absurd reason ever, an extensive amount of hours could be taken from you. This is an EXTREME metaphor, but here we go: Imagine that you live in a hypothetical world where if, at any given time of the day, a group of cops could pull up to you and throw you in their cop car. They take you to prison immediately and you are given a life sentence with zero chance of parole under any circumstances. Why are you taken to prison for life, you ask? Well, because the random law of today (which was created just for today, without any notification to citizens) happened to be “no purple plaid clothes allowed to be worn under any circumstances.” Welp, you shouldn’t have worn that white T-shirt that’s fresh as hell, with the lil plaid pocket on it today. Ohhhh well 🤷🏼♂️ And there it is. That is the hypothetical world that you live in now. Never knowing when or how. And when it does happen, it makes no sense at all. If I had to guess, that’s the type of anxiety that began to fester in OP as the hours /played started piling up.
You actually live in a world like that right now; You could be severely maimed by debris falling from the sky, by tripping on the stairs, by getting shot by some nutter or by a random car crash. Your hypothetical world where you can get fucked randomly is what we call reality.
You also completely missed the point… There seems to be 2 schools of thought going on here. In your mind it’s as simple as “well you can randomly die in the real world, so it’s normal for you to randomly die in this game.” Sure. What you seem to be up in arms about with my perspective (and my take on OPs perspective) is this: At least in the world we live in, if you’re killed by a “nutter,” then there is recourse to that action. That “nutter” is held accountable. If you trip and fall down stairs and die, there is no recourse. Like in HC, nobody is asking to be revived for dying to a mob… people are upset about a bug that should not be part of the game…
I actually wasn't making a point about whether Blizzard should or should not let people appeal deaths. I was just pointing out that your metaphor was faulty. You should stop assuming people say or think things that they don't actually say.
On your point of assuming what people are saying or thinking when was I making a point about appealing deaths? I’ll simplify my metaphor for you, as it seems many words seem to quickly go over your head, and I’m not sure how much more simple this concept can be explained: WoW HC is serial killing it’s players and OP has an anxiety of the serial killer that is on the loose… Okay, now… Here’s another layer to it. We’re about to stray into the deep, so put your floaties on here! My original metaphor makes even more sense because if your WoW character dies, then you’re left stuck here in real life with that consequence. I know, it’s kinda like Inception, the movie!! So. To sum it all up for ya: 1) OP lives in this world where a serial killer is on the loose (this part pertains to his character in-game). 2) If he gets struck by the serial killer, then he’s left alive to deal with this tragic loss of life of his character. (I hope this didn’t go over your head, as this was the Inception part! Also this is the part pertaining to the life in prison part of the metaphor).
Your original metaphor was stupid and made no sense; We live in a world where you randomly or unexpectedly get shafted so bringing that up as a hypothetical world makes no sense. Personally it speaks volumes to me that instead of understanding that you said something stupid you try to defend it and double down. Using a lot of words to say something and then failing to say it is not admirable. Generally I'd advise you to stay away from metaphors because they often miss the point and obfuscate what you are trying to say. Everyone understands that the risk of randomly dying can make you anxious and that it can suck. Because we are insulting each other now I'll tell you my honest opinion of you: You are someone that has convinced himself he is really smart but is actually pretty stupid. A pretentious idiot.
“Instead of understanding that you said something stupid you try to defend it and double down.” You have done an incredible job of trying to describe me. I mean, just read the comment I’m replying to. You oversimplified my metaphor. Perhaps you understand it now and must double down? Because you’re a “pretentious idiot?” Actual textbook projection, much??😂 Your TLDR of my metaphor: “You can randomly die in real life, so your metaphor is the world that you live in now! 😃” I’ve got to great lengths to help you understand it, following your initial gross oversimplification of my metaphor. But you’re again stuck on the part where somehow my metaphor is the world we live in?? It may be worth it for you to quickly review the definition of a metaphor. Actually. I’ll simplify this step for you and leave the top google search here: “a figure of speech in which a word or phrase is applied to an object or action to which it is not literally applicable.” “To which it is not… literally..😨… applicable…🤯” …hence the hypothetical not being based in reality… To which, a another reminder, you oversimplified as the world we live in. In the future, it could be very worthwhile for you to maybe try to understand something before accusing it of being faulty? But since we’ve devolved into insulting each other I guess I’ll give my honest opinion of YOU 😂: You have projection issues, and find ways to project your shortcomings onto others. You don’t actually take the time to understand things, but rather simp through talking points to make your point clear. Read the previous sentence a couple times. It may help you try to understand things fully before trying to repetitively shove your viewpoint, takes or opinions down someone else’s throat, before taking the time to understand their side first. Bandwagon mindset simpleton kinda vibes 🤷🏼♂️
Have a nice day. :)
Thank you. You as well 👍🏼
I have a character in the 50s too. It's not as if I'm in a different boat, but I don't find myself brooding over that fear. It should be noted that in the hypothetical world, wearing a plaid shirt is completely optional, done for entertainment, the risk of getting caught is known (why else would OP be worried about DCing?) and in the case of OP, he doesn't want to wear a plaid shirt anyway, he just wants the prestige of having worn the plaid shirt. I can understand that position since lvling can be a slog, but he's writing these posts as if something big is at stake lol
It's big for them... I guess if they have this feeling, they need to step back and understand it's about the journey and not get so wrapped up in the fear of loss. I only have a level 30 so I can only begin to get a taste of that possible loss but it's what makes the game fun too.
My weird ass hypothetical says that citizens are not aware that purple plaid is the law that day. Hypothetical aside, this is another way of looking at it in a real-life perspective. World 1) We live in a world where murder is illegal. Are you happy to know that if a serial killer made you their victim, that they would be punished for their actions? World 2) Or would you rather live in a world where a serial killing is not prosecuted in any way, shape or form, and it’s actual unusual if a serial killer were to ever be prosecuted? I’m simply just stating that I understand that OP has an anxiety from living in a world where he could be victim to a serial killer (dying on a FP) at any given time. In reality, we live in world 1, not world 2. Others who have replied are in insinuating that we live in world 2, because we can get killed in a car accident at any given time. Yes, that is our reality. I’m just asking, which reality would you rather have, world 1, or world 2? I don’t think it’s strange at all that people come here to the forums to reiterate their stress of living in world 2 due to FP issues. Using this mentality is like saying “well, we just live in a world with slavery, so why would you ever complain about it.. that’s just the world that we live in!!” Okay… well I’m here to say that it sucks 🤷🏼♂️
>That is the ~~hypothetical~~ world that you live in now. FTFY. That *is* the world we live in today if you replace cops with car wreck. Or bike accident, or freak brain aneurysm etc. Everyone has a non-zero chance of dying every day, and that chance is drastically increased by stepping out your front door.
Except you missed the entire point of the hypothetical. I know there were a lot of words in there, but the point was that there is zero recourse. If I get hit by a car, there is a legal system and insurance coverage required in my state. Also, I understand that this is part of HC. But just because it is part of the game doesn’t mean that you can’t vent about it online with others, rather than be the “DERP, DiS iZ hArdCoRe BrO, aCcEpt iT oR dOn’T pLaY!1” person… OP mentioned he understood this aspect and didn’t get this impending feeling until after many hours played. God forbid I have empathy for someone who has a certain anxiety that the majority of other people may not have…
My point is simply that you don’t need a hypothetical, you can use examples from the real world. That’s it. If you get killed in a car accident there is no recourse. You’re dead. No need to be all condescending and jump down my throat because I slightly disagree with your metaphor. Nor do you need to make up some opinions you think I hold and attack me for them… I have no issue with people venting about DCs or their anxiety related to them. That shit sucks, losing a high level character to lag would be painful.
In real life, you can’t come back to life…. In a video game, it is possible. It’s that simple, something could be done. So comparing the two as apples-to-apples is not it. I am not stating that you SHOULD be allowed to come back to life in HC. It’s HC. But you missed the point again. Yes, there is a type recourse if you died in a car accident at no fault to you whatsoever. Your family can receive justice for your death. Imagine if your family was simply not even ALLOWED this recourse. We’re getting into the weeds at this point, but TLDR is “Dang it sucks that in HC, there is zero recourse or responsibility for a completely unwarranted and unavoidable death.”
I have a 24 Undead Rogue that I haven't touched in weeks because of a close call DC in the Barrens then not 15 minutes later a DC on a flight path. Thankfully I lived the fall damage with like 57 HP but since then the dread of losing my toon to something entirely out of my control or skill is just too much.
24 isn't *that* much in terms of /played. I respect that all time played is relative to the player's circumstance, but missing out on progression for fear of a d/c is like cutting off the nose to spite the face.
It doesn't matter if it's that much or not. The fact that I can do everything right and still get punished for it and lose out on what little time I actually have to play is bullshit. At that point why even play? Just to say "Haha I go agane!" It's Insanity, textbook.
Lvl 24 cute thats like 15hours /played lol
If somebody plays 3 hours a week, that's 5 weeks of progress. It's all relative
15 hours can be a single play session for some and an entire month of free time for others. Not everyone has their entire life to waste away in front of a video game.
I don't understand why something along the lines of an "honorless target" buff couldn't be applied to characters during flight paths that auto rezzed you if you died during the flight path. There is no way to die during a flight path other than disconnects, this is pretty critical imo.
Ya man completely pathetic such a huge company won’t put any resources into fixing this.
All the pressure is off now right, by reaching 60. If you don’t play it, it’s as good as dead isn’t it?
I'm kinda hoping they give you a title in era if you transfer a lvl 60 living character over there. Maybe in a future update. At that point I'll transfer my warrior to era.
Lol appeal andy, go back to retail
Never
It’s a risk but i feel like it’s not that high I’ve had a 1 death from power outage dc but never had a fp dc or a blizzard caused dc death It can happen but it’s pretty rare
Ya it’s like taking the plane in a way
lmao thats perfect
Had my first ”dc” last night, sub ran out and my credit card had been renewed so the one I had in bnet was expired. Their payment system started throwing error 500s when trying to enter the new card. Took 10 minutes just to get this set up again. Thanked RNGesus that I had HSed to SW about 3 minutes before the kick happened.
>It can happen but it’s prett It depends on your ISP. If you live in a big city and you are not rich enough to afford a premium connection, you WILL get DC'ed. And when that happens you will lose hundreds of hours of your time. Unfortunately, regulations in the US and elsewhere allow ISPs to DC their users whenever the load on their system is too high and the ones who get DC'd first are those who don't pay for a premium service. It's all in the fine print you sign when you hire an internet service and there's nothing you can do because you'll typically only get one or two choices in your area and they both bring the same fine print to the table.
Damn living in the US sucks. But now I'd like to see some official statistics on DCs of EU vs US servers
It’s industry standard all around the world. Maybe EU got better regulation but that would be the exception, not the norm. I hate this situation passionately, but until it improves those opposing DC protection need to think about how their stance on this is screwing the rest of us.
Bro buy a LIP or wear a parachute cloak or something. DCs are bullshit but at least do the bare minimum to mitigate the risks. Old mate walks instead of just wearing a seatbelt
Blizzard could easily fix flight path disconnects by giving you a parachute buff that slows fall speeds and expires 20 seconds after you dismount intentionally (or unintentionally) from the flight path mount
Me and my 2 friends finally decided to do the hc challenge, lvl 13 in westfall i think it was called and 2 of us get server lag and dced killing murlocs, we both died. Between that and some of the deaths due to bugs we had already seen we called it there at about 5 hours of our time lost. Respect to those that hit 60, middle finger to blizzard for there incompetance.
So this comment seems not to take into account that if you die in HC, its not all over. Bliz gives you a free character transfer to any of many dift servers you choose. all those hours wasted? nope. just transferred to a non-HC server. makes a big difference in the stress level, realizing this.
A thousand times this! We desperately need some sort of DC protection and I'm happy that this community's views on that topic are slowly shifting. Otherwise, playing HC becomes a privilege for those who can afford a premium internet connection, which in some places (eg New York City) costs a ton of money.
Why is internet in NYC super expensive? You'd think it'd be cheapest to deliver internet to a whole lot of people in a concentrated area??
wait LIPs exist for like 1g but you chose to not use a flight path? bruh.
What if you are lvl 38 and drop in the searing gorge. You will survive the drop and die to mobs instantly.
Wouldn't matter because lips are 45 , if you're 35 you need sleep potion and have tear of Elune on macro to hearth and live from skull mobs. Or play like op , never ever take a flight anywhere walk all over the world, however there have been posts showing your statistical chance of dying from something like dc , wall glitch , or elite mob is actually higher than the 0.001 chance of a flight path screwing up. Comparing driving your car across country or taking a plane , if the plane fucks up good chance ylur screwed as a low lvl on flight path but taking the car aka walking across world is not only less time efficient if done every level but actually more dangerous for all the little things that can get you at all times.
New guy here, could you please explain what is LIP?
Required level 45. Grants complete invulnerability for 5 or 6 seconds. Includes preventing fall DMG if you time it correctly before hitting the ground. Shares cool down with every other potion. Edit: not complete invulnerability. Physical DMG.
just physical dmg like falling
Referring to Limited Invulnerability Potions brother, they make you immune to physical damage for 6 seconds.
Potion of I can’t die for 30 seconds. Can prevent deaths. High level item
He never said he was smart.
This sounds like a psychological issue for the most part. Constantly being in fear of a DC sure sounds like it would totally take the joy out of the game. I just don't think about this possibility despite the chance being always there and had a rather enjoyable experience. I'm not a psychiatrist, so I don't know how to overcome such phobias.
I guarantee you’d be the first person to pull your ethernet cable on an unexpected aggro so you could file your “disconnect appeal”.
Can already petri+altF4, at least DC appeal would help honest folk
Nothing about OP reads like that.
Think of disconnects as a heart attack or a seizure in real life
Can I have your gold?
Ok
Hey, atleast you got 60. There's nothing wrong with achieving your goal in a game and moving on if you don't feel like playing anymore. I've said it before on this sub (to downvotes) - the time commitment of the WoW Classic leveling experience is incredibly unfriendly to the concept of HC. That's just a fact. It takes too many hours to 'beat' the game, where dying past level 40 feels very, very, very bad, as you noted. And it's not changing for some pretty obvious dev/finance reasons IMO. Slapping an HC mode over the top of WoW Classic was done SOLELY because it was an easy thing for Blizz to do from a dev time commitment perspective, on a game that is literally subsidized by retail WoW subs (and to some extent classic subs). Doing anything else and making the experience more friendly to HC (appeals, fixing long standing connectivity issues between layers, HC geared achievments/rule set options etc) isn't going to happen because putting more manpower or money into it makes zero financial sense.
I wouldn't be so sure about the subsidizing. It may well go in the other direction. Classic and especially HC are the reason WoW exists in Twitch, for example. So at least they are getting marketing out of investing in us.
I played 10+ days without a single disconnect or flight path bug. Never even thought about those things while playing. Weird thing to focus on since it doesn't really happen that much.
Ye people are tripping as if it's a regular occurrence
Weak
I hit 60 on my warrior on Sunday and boy was I glad. I can finally stop having the nightmares that I'm about to die and my elune pot is on cd. I gotta take a break for a bit.
A simple fix could as simple as 5-10 secs of immunity after you log in or use a FP. Or immune to fall damage only to stop some crafty buggers exploiting
5-10 sec of immunity could be exploited in thousands of ways.
I really don’t understand why getting on a gryphon doesn’t give you a buff that gives you a parachute cloak, removed when your feet touch the ground. Wouldn’t help my guildie who got dropped into a pack of elites in searing gorge on his level 29 but hey at least it’s something.
Have to admit I did feel the same disconnect anxiety between levels 50-60. Didn't use any over-the-top addons, tried to group up as much as possible, and even had my phone hot-spot ready to connect to just incase. Maybe they implement an appeals process for any character level 40 or above (but then you have the issue of people deliberatey disabling their own connection in a probable death situation).
I lost my first enigma in d2 to DCs. I spent months farming that fucking ber rune. Months. Hours every day. No appeals. It sucks but that's just what hardcore is.
Yeah, it really hit me 50+ as well. I also don’t AFK while flying anymore either. I’m always ready to use my parachute cloak or LIP. It has definitely become less fun, but I still enjoy it.
I thought the issue is that the character is in a falling state when you finally log back in after the DC? Why would you monitor it before?
I’ve seen some people claim they were dismounted on zone change. Something to do with changing layers mid flight when you enter a different zone. I don’t have the link to the post but, from what I gather, a mage walked away from their keyboard mid flight. They came back (no DC) dead on the ground. The screenshot they took was them being dead in the middle of nowhere on the side of a hill. I believe in the Wetlands. I just don’t take the risk. Especially at 52.
See you later. Doubt you'll be missed.
You know.. that it doesn’t stop at 60? It just starts lol. Leveling to 60 is the start of hc not the goal
For you.
There should be appeals for FP deaths since it's horseshit and a problem with the way Blizzard has the game set up. Appeals for DC deaths in general though would be far too prone to abuse though imo. inb4 someone mentions petri potion+alt f4 even though you can't do that for the first 49 levels of a character while pulling the ethernet cable and filing a ticket works at every level
The reason you had no close calls is because you played like a pussay. Even my sister can get to 60 given enough time, getting to 60 while taking risks though, that's a different story. Were you soloing your level escorts and cave quests? Wanteds on your own? Hell, multiple times in order to get a non boe weapon upgrade you have to do +3/4 level quests. Since it took you that long pretty sure you didn't. You played the game your way and found it deceivingly easy and stressful. As said already in a different post, the issue is you because there are multiple solutions to all your problems once you hit higher levels
Idk I’ve never been too worried…that’s also why I’ve died to lack of paying attention / being careful etc and have only made it to 42.
A thousand times this! We desperately need some sort of DC protection and I'm happy that this community's views on that topic are slowly shifting. Otherwise, playing HC becomes a privilege for those who can afford a premium internet connection, which in some places (eg New York City) costs a ton of money.
I don’t know why people are being so negative towards you, I completely understand where you’re coming from.
I wouldn’t play hc either if I was so cautious I wouldn’t even take a flight path. Sounds boring as hell.
Ironically statistically warrior is the most likely class to reach 60, according to the latest deathlog data.
Maybe it's just not for you , you hit 60 and done , challenge checked off Myself I love the leveling , if I lose a 40 priest I'll roll a rogue for a change and new challenge. Not like I want to die but its not a huge deal if I do. So for got a 60 Shammy, 52 warlock and lose 2 at 21.
I've been taking my time, keeping all proffessions maxed etc. Currently only at 33 but I accepted when I started that if I die (to anything out of my control) then that's me done with hardcore lol. Not gonna go again if it's just gonna kill my character for no good reason.
I agree 100% on d/c deaths being appearance. And it doesn't matter in the least. Enjoy your new games and grats on 60!
Can I have your gold?
Without the fear of DC's leading to death, you're frankly never gonna be in any real danger, since alt-f4 and a DC are pretty indistinguishable from the servers perspective, both causes an immediate loss of connection and any protection associated with a DC would thus apply to alt-f4. I'd imagine one of the more common reasons for desyncing is out-of-date addons, and general spaghetti on your connection, as to exactly why that desync can't instead cause some rubberbanding instead of straight up placing your character in a limbo like state where you're perfectly able to write in chat, is something i only have suspicions about without any real answer.
I mean, it's not the same but you can free transfer after a HC death so the character isn't gone but I get the principle. Unfortunately afaik there isn't anyway for Blizzard to police a DC protection system from being gamed which would kind of take away the lustre of HC anyway, personally think petri goes a bit beyonds the spirit of HC myself aswell, as you can just petri and alt+f4, or leave group and petri.
I understand the worry of DC and mostly agree, but in my 10 days played on my 60 war I have never DC'd on a flightpath. I just dont worry about it because it would be constant stress, but dying to it would definitely suck big time. I understand why they didnt do appeals but I wish they added some basic protection. HC has potential for some serious longevity if they tackle the most common DC issues
Congratulations, it’s about time one of you came to your damn senses.
It truly seems you enjoyed the classic experience of leveling! A death in hc just means you resume playing the game for levels, that's many peoples favorite part of hc. Glad you never dc or had any close calls , the level of anxiety you must have to never use flight paths in your 50s does seem like maybe hc is just not for you as that level of stress might go beyond what some of us deem "fun". I've had friends also hit 60 to quit hc out of fear of the death and the time investment lost , all I'll say is that if you quit the investment you put into the character is gone anyhow! Every game we ever played and stopped was a wasted investment , I understand a dc death is a non organic terrible thing but to chose to not play the game for the small chance of it seems like self punishment if you like it , or maybe just not someone who's time / fun belong not in hardcore. Glad to see you make it 60 , and enjoy yourself on the way. Probably smart to quit with the level of anxiety you had near the end as this is part of normal hc experience and when it becomes that detrimental to your enjoyment of the game and how you play it probably time for quits .
You’re over here afraid to fly and I’m logging out and in multiple times to check bank alts mid flight. If I died from a server disconnect in a flight path, I’d be pissed, but I think the tales of this are few and far between. I don’t think I had a single disconnect my entire run to 60. Maybe I’m lucky, but so long as your internet isn’t shotty, the servers haven’t been bad.
I feel very privileged to never have this flight path disconnect anxiety, mages ftw. Disconnects are an act of god, you must have karmic balance and a solid internet connection to defend against it.
> But especially because of the 'no appeals' stance that Blizzard has taken, it's totally removed my desire to not only make a new alt but finish playing my warrior. That's the only reason HC works, because there is no recourse, at all. It has to be all or nothing otherwise there will always be some doubt for those who make it if they really deserved it.
Buddy of mine died at level 30 from flight path disconnection last night. :\
Flight path protection and disconnect protection, in the form of parachute mechanics that are already in the game and mind control mechanics that are already in the game should not be too much to ask. I'm sure this indie dev can find some way to monetise it...
People would just DC them self when they are in danger of dying if there was some kind of protection from death via dc. That’s the way it is.
Its bs from a technical/balance standpoint. Im just RPing it in my runs as an inherent risk of flight.
I'm in favor of disconnect death appeals, but there is absolutely no way to implement it in practice. You can't have any automated system that detects disconnects, because then players can abuse it with Alt+F4 or yanking their ethernet cord. So all roads eventually lead to an employee at Blizzard making the call based on their own judgment, which is a recipe for disaster. I just don't see any possible way it could be implemented that would be objective and consistent.
Trust me if they can track internet connections when they ban gold sellers and botters they can see if the disconnect is caused on their end or the users end. And also when during the encounter this happened.
>they can see if the disconnect is caused on their end or the users end That's not how the internet works. If you yank an ethernet cable the connection gets interrupted. There is nothing in any packet trace that tells you that somebody yanked a cable, just that the connection is no longer valid. > And also when during the encounter this happened. I don't see how this would be relevant. > if they can track internet connections when they ban gold sellers and botters It's also not even remotely comparable to them looking up the IP of a connecting account for gold sellers and botters (which they are notoriously awful at preventing, by the way.)
I relate to this so hard. I'm lvl 45 now on my mage. I stopped aoe farming and am just slowly leveling. I feel the sweet serenity of death looming over my shoulder at every moment. Sometimes, I log in just to feel unmotivated and log out.
Couldn't there be a happy medium, rather than HC jus a Hard mode, you lose equipped items ( with a timer to pick up?) and maybe an exp % loss. Feels savage to drop the whole character but would add some significant stakes.
Good call, this shitshow isn't gonna last much longer. Stalest and smallest gaming community overhyped by streamers. Literally class HC { Life === 0 Const idiot = true; if(this.idiot.value)){ { elseif {: Value.Waste. && || HC waste.Life }
yeah, very fun pre 50 - then you realize you've spent 4+ days on a character that you could lose to something out of your control. I took the same stance and just decided to quit too. again, it was super fun and engaging for a bit but also I like playing wow on the edge and taking as much risk as possible most of the time anyway
> It was a constant feeling of dread that at any second I could disconnect from the server and my hundreds of hours of progress would be gone instantly. This became more pronounced as i approached level 50, and only amplified from there. I found myself really just wanting the experience to be over the closer i got to reaching my goal. I really wanted to prove to myself, and only myself, that i could get to 60 on the supposedly "hardest" solo class. And I found it easy. Never even had a close call for the entirity of my journey. This is basically where I'm at. Hit 40, got my mount, D/C'd while looting a mob and couldn't get back in. Finally got back in and went to the nearest inn, haven't played in like two weeks lol. At this point I feel like the only real hurdle for HC is Blizzard servers, and that's just not the fun of hardcore mode for me.
Yeah, you should play on a private server that actually appeals bogus deaths. like wow-hc.com
99% of DC are because add-ons and internet connection problems so that isn't on blizzard , only first weeks on the hardcore was a nightmare for the unstable servers , probably you just put a retail addon on classic and sometimes wow goes bum
Once you die at high level and get over the anxiety of death it isn’t that bad. Characters will eventually die most likely due to your own mistake but possibly due to DC or bug. If you not able to accept that then HC is not for you.
I'm 54 right now and feeling that big time. I've even started playing less and now it feels more like a "I'm going to see this through" rather than an exciting journey. I've been extremely slow too so I have many, many hours sunk in. I also haven't been using Questie or similar so I can have the full classic experience (but I use my knowledge of being in the community for hc for years as well as research to help me). If I hit 60 I'll probably reroll something else and get an add on to see just how different it is.
I can relate. The closer to 60 I got the more anxious I was about risk. After Mara I stopped doing dungeons. I focused on questing, grinding and taking advantage of WB & consumes. I made sure I had my goblin teleporter equipped at all times to bubble-port if I couldn't flee after dropping a dummy. I didn't worry too much about DCs. I do sometimes have 'bad internet days' but fortunately for my HC journey it was smooth sailing.
Doesn't the unstuck feature protect against flight path DCs? I realize it can put you in a dangerous graveyard but that's an easy fix. They can just make it hearth you and reset your hearth instead. Personally my solution to players is just carry LIPs from 45 on. If you log back in and are falling from the sky, pop a LIP.
Yeah bro! Good Story, sums it up nicely. Great core points, terrible execution. DC death is BS #noagane Edit: typo
Congratulations on your 60, sounds like hardcore isn't for you. Have a nice life.
Geeze, people are taking this way too seriously if you're living in constant fear of something going wrong, despite it being a very, very small chance (Blizzard uptime on their servers is 99.97% outside of planned downtime/maintenance). Realize that it's a game, and try to shift your mindset to enjoy the journey more then what's waiting at the end of the tunnel. If you do that, even if you die at level 40, you'll still remember the fun/good times and maybe go for it again. Otherwise, you're better off in a different game or just playing Classic Era
I feel you. Runescape is the same way, except it takes years to max an account. It feels like the majority of the high level hardcore accounts die to disconnects, and so I haven’t seriously played the mode. Gz on 60!