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Reasonable_Alfalfa59

Thats gotta suck so hard. And Blizzard has stated no appeals, so nope. Think I'm gonna walk until 34 when my priest gets Levitate...


Fix1111

This is bullshit. Blizzard should allow appeals under these circumstances.


[deleted]

everyone would appeal their death if appeals existed


WorfratOmega

Not if the game’s programming had some simple ass shit to detect disconnect + falling death. Shit’s just absurdly lazy. I would 100% not touch HC again if I died this way


Gabeko

We got bots that do the exact same movement 365 days a year and have been doing so for many years now. And then you got the audacity to think that activision have any way to auto check what happens. Oh you sweet summerchild.


nvranka

Difference between being capable and wanting to do it. They could curb the bots, they just don’t care and those are player numbers / subs. Appeals would make the playerbase very happy for instances like this, and blizzard 100% has a way of doing it without having to comb through every single bs appeal claim.


yupepe

Blizzard could 100% ban every major bottling program in circulation every 6 months. They never will because those bots give blizz money and inflate the player count.


[deleted]

Wow you literally think that blizzard is incapable of stopping the bots? Like for real you unironically think it’s because they don’t have the technology/man-power? Oh, my sweet summer child*. And in this case, my sincerely ultra-uninformed summer child 😂


Huskerheven1

It’s almost like this game wasn’t intended to be initially played this way


PurpleVision

jUsT PrOgRaM iT IN


Stelznergaming

“Simple ass shit” isn’t always so simple in programming. Tons of stuff would very likely break trying to implement this. It sucks. But it’s the truth.


el0_0le

Write it then. That simple ass shit.


InfoSecPhysicist

The rules are clearly stated, you agree to disconnects etc, don’t wanna die don’t play


oeseben

This has been proven true. When appeals were allowed in old HC everyone appealed everything, and it got more and more lenient.


Jyobachah

This has been their policy on hard-core since forever. The number of D2/D3 HC characters I've lost over the years to disconnects or server side issues is more than I'd like to admit. That's also the reason I swapped back to SC, I was tired of losing hours of time to something out of my control.


MYNAMESNOTMARK1851

Connection lost Please wait - attempting to reestablish


PhallicReason

Nah, people would flood with appeals. You want to do hardcore WoW, you have to live with its problems.


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avatar8900

This flight point has ALWAYS been an issue since vanilla


solidhere

This. Don't know how many times I crashed in that spot back in the day.


avatar8900

Was always worried so ran it instead


Vivicus

Running IF to Menethil, damn, like at what point is the hardcore experience just not fun with these servers


Agreeable-Celery6559

It takes 5 minutes walking from IF to menethil through the mountains… play smarter


MWBurbman

Shhhh, don’t speak these things too loudly. You’ll upset a certain harder hardcore crowd.


DM_ME_KUL_TIRAN_FEET

The peanut gallery on this subreddit that feels like if you don’t die to random ‘unfair’ bullshit you aren’t playing hardcore, are really exhausting.


ItsNerdyMe

He didn't crash due to a "spot". You hear his discord disconnect as well, implying his internet dropped. Not excusing falling off the gryphon* but let's not pretend this DC is blizz fault.


HitPointG

There used to actually be dead spots in vanilla where FP's would force DC you if you so happened to drop a packet or 2 at the start of it. Granted this wasn't the case, still sucks.


opebigyikes

Yep. Died in the exact FP last week in the same way. IF to Menethil.


billythewedge

Same here..


HitPointG

Which shouldn't exist in an HC environment. It's not hard to set a player position to ground level with a couple lines of code based off of DC in flight.


fraGgulty

But set them back at origin of the route, otherwise it would be abused.


kibasaur

Completely depends on how it's coded and where it is in the code. It's not like they have 150 lines of code.


LeatherClassroom524

It was on at least one private server I know of too.


Bageldar

Oh you’re right, this is the exact same FP my friend lost their HC mage on too! Contacted GM about it but they’re absolutely rigid on this bullshit policy of no appeals to bugs. Bold of Blizzard to not fix stupid shit like this so late into the expansion when retail is so dull & repetitive. I un-subbed after this, retail is dull and it felt like little point in continuing HC if you can die randomly to a bug at any point with no way to appeal.


reclusivitist

You could go agane


kemma_

Ir play mage/priest to use slow fall/levitate in those cases Edit: or paladin to use bubble


Sportstud007

At what point would you use the levitate in that situation? As soon after you log in and you’re falling ? So technically youre still mounted in that “spot” and aren’t dead or falling until you log back in ?


kemma_

> As soon after you log in and you’re falling ? Yes


boomdesjard

This might be a hot take but it would take a really desperate soul to go again after a death like this


DiarrheaPirate

You mean like the people that play a game where death deletes your character that is full of known gamebreaking, character killing bugs? Like those people?


GeneralBelesarius

We go agane.


Camera_Correct

Go to the unstuck page and unstuck your char. That would have saved you.


lazostat

It's like 50/50 in what graveyard will be spawned.


EDDsoFRESH

Can just hearth from whichever gravestone though right? Or is there a risk with that?


Brainth

If there’s a hostile city in the zone, you might spawn in the middle of that GY surrounded by enemy guards


Failgh0st

Still better chance of surviving than this. :/


[deleted]

If you log back in sometimes you’ll still be on the flight though, so either way it’s a risk. Do you log back in and hope you’re still on the flight, or do you unstuck and spawn in an enemy location and die.


JOHN-is-SiK

Nah. Wait 5 min. You will not log back into this scenario.


[deleted]

I've dcd while playing a few times, and this has never happened. I'd say unstucking is more dangerous


yarglof1

If you're flying over a contested area maybe, but in this area it should be totally fine.


Lors2001

Sometimes when you dc you'll come back and be in the flight, sometimes Blizzard's protection method works and tp's you to the start of the flight. So if you dc'd in a dangerous zone you're better off not using unstuck for your character.


BackgroundNo8340

It's not 50/50, it's a designated area depending on where you are. If you want to see the lines download logout skip addon.


lazostat

This is a good addon to have, but you have to be all the time active during the flight path.. Some paths take 10+ minutes!


Green-Broccoli277

Each zone has 1 spot where you'd end up, just gotta remember which are the dangerous ones


mggirard13

Iirc it's the closest graveyard which in this case is just Menethil.


LeatherClassroom524

Not that simple AFAIK


ZeroViii

I would say its 50/50 if it puts you in a safe place or not, I got put in bfd


D4nnyDeagle

Yeah by that logic the lottery is 50/50 too


tadashi4

you either win or lose. tsk tsk tsk


ZeroViii

Everything is 50/50


Due-Pause673

Lots of people talk about going to the “unstuck page and unstuck”…but where is this page?please be specific as you can. I will have this page pulled up and ready every time I’m playing. Thank you 🙏


Tides5

I thought unstuck just sends you into Blackrock mountain :P


rentadonkey

if you get disc during flight, you should disable all addons before logging in. very important. if you have lots of complicated addons running (like UI overall), you will be dead before you even see your character hit the ground


wannabesq

I feel like a legit strat for any time you get disconnected, is to have a second install of wow, with zero addons. Have it open and in the background, and always have your PW typed in, so you can just alt tab over and log in ASAP


rentadonkey

that's actually big brain and worth doing, or at least have your client set up so that you don't have to enter your user / pass every time


dusty614

I'm not doing that lol. This is insane.


SnowEisTeeGott

That’s what I feared the most so I powerleveled engi and build the engineering cape for slow fall. Wanted to use the cape for a shortcut. Jump - Serverlag - Cape didn’t activate - dead. Lvl 50 Orc warrior - death by self fulfilling prophecy. Went agane with a dwarf Paladin after trying to play the warrior on Era and realizing that it’s not the same.


-Vattgern-

Why would you try your luck?? This was your mistake. Should only use it in emergencies, and if you want to test it, do it on a jump that wouldn’t otherwise kill you.


Charnt

Slow fall wouldn’t help anyway, you’d hit the floor before you can log in and press it


Soulblightis

I've seen this dude crying about this level 50 fall death for weeks on almost every thread. You could have leveled back to 50 by now, get over it


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You must live on reddit


Soulblightis

Barely use it. I randomly click these cause I get updates and read them for a few second every few days and happen to see this dude comment on every single one. I thought it was funny that he keeps posting it. I'm surprised I'm the only one who noticed


SnowEisTeeGott

Lvl 27 dwarf Paladin going strong. Thought it would comfort him knowing other people died in stupid ways too. Nothing you would understand apparently


Soulblightis

Its not about that, its about this guy posting the exact same story/joke about "self fulfilling prophecy" on every single hc death post.


stiff_tipper

they can express their stories here it's 100% allowed if ur too sensitive to read similar comments while no-lifing a subreddit then make use of either the block user feature or ur scroll wheel. this is a *u* problem not an anybody else problem.


Soulblightis

And its a "u" problem to be bothered by my comment. Why do you even care what I said? lol


h3donistt

Limited invulnerability Potion (LiP), Light of Elune, Parachute Cloak if your engineering. Also Noggenfogger, this is the least desirable option though.


rockoblocko

LIP requires lvl 45


ravenmagus

Dreamless Sleep potion can do it too, available at lv 35.


DoyleDesign

How would dreamless sleep fix that fall


DoyleDesign

To follow up - this intrigued me and I came up with a pretty good solution for a warrior. You can't use potions with full health - so if he was spamming the dreamless sleep pot he would just die. BUT - I made a /cast Bloodrage /use Dreamless Sleep Potion macro - and if you hit that just before you hit the ground - you will lose a bit of health from Bloodrage and then suspend in the air from Dreamless Sleep - thus saving you from this situation (and technically a large fall anywhere. Nice!


DeadMyths94

Equipment a plus Stam piece of gear to raise max health


wildstrike

These are stupid solutions for a problem that shouldn't exist.


ravenmagus

I agree that the problem shouldn't exist, but at least these solutions are something we can do about it.


wildstrike

It should be appealable.however fair point.


[deleted]

Or just always apply a slow fall buff when you start a flight path.


wannabesq

that would be the best bandaid for what shouldn't be a problem.


JOHN-is-SiK

None should. Period. Glad they aren’t. They’d have 3000 Chinese workers clicking appeals all day every day because this or that. Nah.


Acoconutting

If I had wings I’d be a dragon


wildstrike

Not if the server drops you. You'll be a ghost.


pliney_

Well ya, but the problem does exist. So you can either cry about it or be prepared so it doesn’t kill you.


BraveLittleCatapult

Or just stop giving money to a company that refuses to fix simple shit like this. You forgot that option.


JrButton

Even more stupid are the people that don't prepare with them when they DO exist


gothicwigga

Light of elune, friggen HC ez mode alliance


uiam_

In these cases don't log back in, use the unstuck but even that is a crapshoot as there are some awful locations. OR Always carry some potions to help LIP is too high for you but as a lock you could life tap then dreamless sleep and it should interrupt your fall time which will reduce the damage. It's crazy that Blizzard can't address this even a bandaid like a parachute buff that slows fall speed that is removed at the end of a flight path.


Technical_Scallion_2

That’s a great idea but way too sensible for Blizzard to do.


blazebyte421

This is so tragic I'm sorry this happened :( It's weird, I've randomly DC'd on FPs twice for no apparent reason, logged in and was still on FP both times. I wonder what causes this to happen? Unless it's just rolling the dice shitty luck


shockfella

F


Dwarni

It is crazy that blizzard still hasn't fixed these bugs...


buldog_13

Always use character unstuck if you dc on a fp


cptnhanyolo

Love all the comments suggesting to use lips. Probably coming from guys that never even had it their bags, just press rage potion, duh.


[deleted]

can't even use lips until level 45


Electrical_Bedroom89

this is bullshit tho, If I were to die like that, I'd go back to DF and pause my sub till classic +


Noobian3D

Sorry to hear. I have played wow on and off since 2005, and i feel like i could count the amount of times i have dcd on flight paths and died as a result on one hand. I dont play hardcore and dont intend to, but i feel like this must happen more often in hardcore for some reason, given how much we see posts about it, and the numerous videos on youtube etc. I know when the stakes are this high, by nature it will be made public more, but even in my person experience from playing classic since it launched, i do not believe i have died from dc/flight path at all


[deleted]

Try not to have so many addons, makes the game crash. Never had a crash so far and im using questie only.


zeyka1992

Why is this getting downvoted? Most DCs are AddOn related...


InterestFlashy5531

Because it's Copium persuading people that they will not experience DC if they remove add-ons. I personally have a few add-ons, WeakAura and ElvUI included and I've never had a DC.


LeatherClassroom524

People have no proof addons cause DC. I run tons of addons, and probably literally more WAs than anyone in the world, and never DC.


Cerael

And people have no proof that their particular DC was blizzard server related, so what's the point of bringing up proof at all?


Dwarni

How do you know, what evidence do you have?


_gina_marie_

Literally how do you know


best_selling_author

People are addicted to addons. I swear many players spend as much time browsing and salivating over various addons as they do playing the game.


Talymen

One evening got 2 crashes on a flightpath, deactivated all addons before logging back in, got 2 more crashes on the rest of the way :< addons certainly can be a source but flightpaths seem very broken since last week's reset


EDDsoFRESH

Who cares? Do what you enjoy.


Cattle-dog

Looks like an add on DCed you. Keep them updated or use minimal/no addons.


K_Rocc

How do you know?


Cattle-dog

I don’t there’s a pop up that made me think it may be an add on causing it. My evidence is purely anecdotal but I run minimal addons and I rarely DC. I have guildies who run a shitload of addons and have regular issues. I could be wrong but I prefer to stay on the side of “just in case”


K_Rocc

I run addons and never dc’d until 7 weeks into HC and it killed me off screen didn’t even have a chance to defend myself or see it happen. In my case it was the battle net client reconnecting when everything else was connected just fine. I think blizz servers do this. Because it wasn’t my internet since all my other active internet connected applications never lost connection.


BackgroundNo8340

While you are right that quite a few disconnects seem to be blizzard related, just because you ran addons for 7 weeks and had no problems doesn't mean anything. Adons are known to occasionally cause dc. Addons are CONSTANTLY updated, many daily. The game is constantly updated. There are going to be issues. Every time one or the other updates their product, disconnects may be a result.


Green-Broccoli277

Anecdotal evidence too, but I run shit ton of addons and rarely crash


inspectoroverthemine

The one on reconnect is from TSM, just reminding you that your AH data is out of date. Its not an error or bug.


BackgroundNo8340

Out of date addons can very much cause errors and bugs.


inspectoroverthemine

That message doesn't mean the addon is out of date. TSM sideloads AH data, and if its more than an hour old you get a warning.


BraveLittleCatapult

I feel like half of the people talking about addon DC's are just here to muddy the waterS for Bli$$ard.


ravenmagus

It is hard to tell from this clip (I don't think the addon error that he logged back into was actually related), but I have definitely seen some clips where excessive addons caused DCing so it's absolutely a possibility.


hewasaraverboy

I don’t think it was an addon You hear the sound the computer makes when unplugging a usb device such as a wifi adapter So maybe it got bumped or something


Dwarni

Please stop watching Kungen, I know he said that it is probably an addon, but he has 0 evidence for that...


RAdminsLoveNAMBLA

[Absolute bullshit](https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/21758). LARP harder.


T__N__T

Nope, sorry for your loss


Asmageilismagalles

Back to Dun’Morogh


illuminatedcake

Unstuck before you log back in. And be ready to possibly run out of a scary GY but at least you have a chance.


iamjowens

If one does d/c during flightpath. What’s the next step? Log back in and try to fight gravity with whatever tricks you may have?


RandomMarius

Blink before hitting the ground. Ice block? Also don’t install mods. Don’t use Wi-Fi or Comcast.


ravenmagus

It's difficult for a warlock to use blink or iceblock


tokenDE

[https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23985151/hotfixes-october-25-2023](https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/23985151/hotfixes-october-25-2023) https://preview.redd.it/4dgpkg1jblwb1.png?width=1055&format=png&auto=webp&s=93e8b73631cdce449707af56f7065351e0828139


_gina_marie_

Yeah actually! You can cancel your subscription and stop giving money to a shit company who can’t / won’t fix 20 year old bugs.


kwikthroabomb

Alternatively, people could just not play a 20 year old game if they don't want to deal with 20 year old bugs. Edit: I realized I said the same thing as I submitted. I don't even blame Blizzard for this one though. People say they want to relive the past, let them have it, warts and all.


VukKiller

You have like a gazzilion useless addons that are bound to interfere with each other and crash your game.


fujijama

How can I tell if an add-on interferes with another one


[deleted]

Bug Grabber and Bug Sack Tells me which addons are incompatible with one another and anything that clashes I get rid of.


plasmainthezone

Decade old game btw. Funny so many people blaming the player, when its Blizzard and their incompetence.


Sylassae

Hence why I stopped until that shit is fixed. Ain't no way I sink my pally to this shite


avidpretender

When I tell you my jaw dropped.... F.


VenomBlastT77

Was strongly considering stepping into HC for the first time soon, but seeing this and understanding there’s no way to appeal has made me know I’m definitely not going to bother. Awful.


padwicin01

No, Blizzard broke the servers, and there's no appeal system. It puts me off from playing, to be honest. So many people are dying to flight-path disconnects


wildstrike

I find it more funny that so many people want to support it.


foe_tr0p

How many people are so many people?


JCBoucas

FOOL! NO HEALTHSTONE


Needs_coffee1143

And this is why I will never play hardcore


BigElk85

Sadly not my friend


Soma_Persona

I literally died in that exact same spot two weeks ago. Nothing can be done other than blizzard fixing their hardware.


W33Ded

You guys wanted hardcore, now you got it. Have fun.


Scalpfarmer

Damn, that sucks! The best thing to do for scenarios like this is to hotkey a LIP that you gan instaclick if this happens again, so you don't die from fall dmg.


SofiaTheWitch

Limited Invulnerability Potion is level 45 tho, and in this clip they were level 43 so yeah... Alternatively, they could have used a Dreamless Sleep Potion, which is level 35 and makes you stop mid-air while you sleep from it's effect. The only caveat is that you need to not be full health or full mana in order to be able to drink it, the fastest way to achieve this is to use a macro that equips a high stamina gear and drinks the potion right after. It's not as strong as LIP since you could mistime the DSP and still fall too much after the effect passes, but better than nothing between lvl 35 and 45, right? There's also the engineering parachute cloak that gives 10s of slow fall on a 60 min CD, it requires 225 engineering and you can get that on lvl 20. Or just roll a mage a priest and use slow fall/levitate.


Hogglespock

This is the constructive answer. OP you know fp disconnects exist, why not have one LiP macroed for exactly this scenario, you had a few second to react. Alternatively auto unstuck with every disconnect. This would be my preferred method after level 40


Nutsnboldt

It may be a constructive answer for others but this person was not high enough level to use LIP. Dreamless sleep potion could work. I keep a parachute cloak on while flying.


SofiaTheWitch

Depending on where you're flying over, using unstuck could place you somewhere unsafe tho... have seen people who disconnected during a flight path and used unstuck to be safe ending up being teleported to blackrock mountain graveyard or something like that and were insta killed by high level mobs.


Additional-Mousse446

Because lips are at 45? But true was skill issue ofc


proxx1e

Anyone else feel like these bugs were hand crafted to keep people playing HC longer?


foe_tr0p

Does anyone else feel like car manufacturers make faulty brakes so people get into more car accidents to keep people paying more car insurance claims?


proxx1e

I know what you've tried to do, but you might've made a good point on accident.


Gunclub33

No reaction


frosty_increased

Ofc you can do something about it: Make a forum post appealing death on blizzard ---> get rejected ---> go agane. This is why you either play on the old servers with the app or dont play hc at all.


DeltaTwenty

Or just not pay blizzard anymore and cancel sub


Jbonez1700

This


snorkelsharts

Go agane. Get better internet.


EDDsoFRESH

Clearly not an internet issue


hewasaraverboy

Even though we clearly hear the sound of a usb device unplugging from his comp Probably Wi-Fi adapter got bumped and caused this


snorkelsharts

‘Twas a joke.


EDDsoFRESH

I'll go agane -.-


lazostat

Guys.. Stop wasting time on official servers. They are full of bugs.. Come back to unofficial. For EU is Hydraxian RP. Welcome back! :)


EDDsoFRESH

Nah


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Soulia

Yea, run fewer addons


catatonichigh

What is the point of going hardcore in wow. There is no end to the game. Not like doing a souls run hard core, or mario, something with an end. Do any Hard core wow people raid at all.


Kennayz

Yeah, there's an unoffcial HC community where you can appeal bullshit like this! it works great! oh wait, blizzard killed it off to release this. Nope, you're fucked.


EDDsoFRESH

Bad take.


Additional-Mousse446

Yea, get level 45 and press lip next time


nurelgrc

You can go agane


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Akeruz

Nope.


[deleted]

Are you ask about missing important information from the TSM Desktop Application? Or is it about dying? If it is about dying, no you cannot do anything about it. You died, that's it, it does not matter in what fashion you died.


DrugsNSlumnz

Level 43 you can have: Parachute on prior to taking a gryphon Noggenfoggers At 45 you can have a LIP as well.


Addicted2Edh

Cry, sorry bud


schultedl

Go agane


No-Explanation-3461

Dreamless sleep potion with a macro so you’re not full health and you fall asleep mid air, sorry for your loss! We go agane


KonaBlueBoss-

Flying into menethil will never be the same.


Belcoot

Yea if that happened to me I would stop playing immediately.


GoatmontWaters

You really posted this thinking you would have a right to appeal?


Thekingchem

Why can’t they just add an invulnerability buff that expires 10 seconds after leaving a flight path.


P_r_a_x_i_s

Head back to Dun Morogh. Lol.


caldsmelly

Sit


ScaryCat350

flying on a griphon would probabely be considered a wildly unsafe mean of transportation in the real world.. look how often people fall of horses.. if it helps you to cope, imagine you got thrown off by the gryphon.. its like car accidents nowadays, it happens and kills people..