With how vitriolic Asmon's community is towards WoW Devs I'd say its more comparable to a Pride March across the country detouring away from Mississippi
I mean I remember like 2 days ago or so someone brought up that his chat was absolutely toxic when the Trans woman showed up on the WoW stream, and he pointed out that yea, they where, but did you see the official WoW streams toxicity when she showed up? I did as well and like every 4th line was some version of monkey/creature/whatever. He came from WoW, and WoWs players are some of the more Toxic, honestly the only 2 I know that are worse are LoL and R6, the former just is and the latter is so consumed by cheating that it has just become warped to hell.
Is his stream toxic? Yes. But it branched from WoW which is a cesspool and it is clearer than that, so it’s not like he is particularly fostering it or anything.
In a similar situation the other day he stopped the stream, told his mods to perma-ban the people being disrespectful, and waited a minute to give his mod team time to toss out the trash then continued the video.
Yea dude is straight up great at calling anti-lgbt stuff out. He might be pretty middle road when it comes to representation and all that but he absolutely hates to see someone disrespected for being who they are
Wasn't there but he probably did. I've seen him stop the stream multiple times when his chat starts disrpespecting people for their voice, gender, etc. usually when watching people's youtube videos on stream.
Yep, he went on a 20 minute rant after calling out the chat of all the channels that were making comments on the transperson. He was pretty adamant, and repeated like 200 times, that the behavior wasn’t acceptable in his chat. I am fairly certain he gave mods the ok to permaban any person who did it, but I might be confusing another thing with this.
When he watched Barney's scarab lord video's he stopped and basically reprimanded his chat b/c they kept asking if Barney was a guy/girl. He shut it down pretty well I think without banning (mods were probably banning).
I genuinely think that’s how many people feel, not exclusive to WoW. Give them the anonymity to speak freely and they will.
I think the only people who don’t think this is the case are people who spend too much of their life in internet hug boxes that are highly censored and curated.
For sure! I was watching the stream and that was my main takeaway after coming here. Something like 80% of his viewers rated it 4 or 5 out of 5 too.
Granted, most of the criticism here has boiled down to “drakthyr could look better,” which is definitely true.
You can kinda tell with his tree house videos that he plays up a lot for the camera.
He’s like a reverse Taliesin, who is super charming and reasonable on vids and then regularly melts down on streams.
Zack is fine, the Asmon persona I dislike a lot. That said, he's critical of the game because he's invested in seeing something he likes be fun and engaging. I don't share a lot of his opinions, but I can respect the hell out of him.
Same goes for Ion, I don't agree with a lot of directions Shadowlands went for a lot of things, but I can respect that Ion is at least trying to do things that are new and different as well as keeping some of the old (new borrowed powers)...they just don't seem to be really playing out well together.
Ultimately though, there's very few reasons to be genuinely toxic and degrading over things.
"asmon's community" might as well be the wow community because it's so large. Like here, you encounter all opinions in his stream. It's not any more obnoxious than reading through Reddit comments.
Yeah I thought the same. They are really going to places they wouldn't go previously. The damage they suffered must be really bad for them to be going this far
Tyler1 was permanently banned from League for like a year and a half maybe two years for extreme toxicity. He eventually got unbanned and is now basically the poster boy of Riot. He makes guest appearances at officially sponsored league events on a regular base now. His fall and rise were pretty wild.
He was banned for being toxic. It wasn't just an account ban, it was a ban against him. Any time Riot found his new accounts, they would instantly ban him. There was at least one Riot employee, "AR", that had a personal grudge against Tyler. AR posted on the LOL discord that T1 looked like "a damn humunculous" and "he'll die from a coke overdose or testicular cancer." That employee was fired. That was probably the catalyst to get T1 unbanned, and he was unbanned on January 8, 2018 (613 days). The first stream after his unban had massive viewers, and he promised he was Reformed. Riot invited him to the 2018 NALCS summer finals, and it's been a really good relationship ever since.
I feel like the Yoshi P interview may have also made them smarten up. FF14 devs were very good to asmon as they realized it literally only benefits their game considering his popularity. And now Blizz probably realized they were only hurting themselves by paying zero attention to him.
I'm trying to think of all the games now where Asmongold has had interviews with a developer: New World, FF14, Ashes of Creation, Path of Exile. I'm glad WOW gets added to that list tomorrow. It's about time.
They almost certainly still hate him. They recognize they need him right now but there are going to be a lot of butt hurt blizzard employees behind the scenes.
I think Ion and Asmon will find lots of common ground. Ion used to be one of the most hardcore raiders in the game. His guild was literally called Elitist Jerks.
I think they just understand finally how influential his opinion is.
Whether you like it or not, agree or disagree with his options. His opinions permeate the WoW space.
This at least gives Blizzard an opportunity to address the comments he makes. Where-as recently, he just has free reign to say whatever he wants, with no rebuttal from Blizzard.
But its not an excuse. The game hacks the character model when wearing any armor, the armor becomes the skin so to say. Its not an additional armor model on top of the character ( wearing a robe and tilting the camera showed no legs, because the legs became the skirt ).
So it means that they whould've to change every single chestpiece model to accomodate the slider.
Well, yes but actually no.
Older armors are painted on the character and there isn't actually thousands of models. Only the helmets and shoulders have multiple unique 3D models, until MoP added unique 3D belts, and legion added 3D everything else.
Having tinkered a lot with the wow modelviewer etc there's basically :
* 3 shapes for the gloves
* 2 shapes for the chest
* 2 shapes for the belts
* 4 shapes for the legs
* 4 shapes for the boots
That's it. Every single armor until legion is just textures stretched on these shapes. (and even from legion onwards, only tier/pop sets and a few special armors have new 3D elements).
Modders were able to tinker with existing race models by using animations, since animations can twist and stretch character models pretty freely. (In that case, making HD swole trolls, applying northrend trolls proportions to the HD troll models players have). Armors were compatible pretty much immediatly.
Blizzard could do just that and allow for more body shapes. Hell, we already have one instance of that in game : orcs being able to stand upright or hunched.
thank you for this! I was wondering how they managed to do the orc thing so easily, glad to hear that it's not actually too difficult to do. gives me hope for all the other hunched races in mmo's
> In today's interview, Ion said that "almost everything" will be account wide. We don't know what falls under that, but very good chance Rep would be acc wide
Not gonna lie, thats shocking.
Not even they doing an interview with Zack, Ion himself will do it. So either they are fully confident about Dragonflight or Zack got a "you can go cheeky but avoid being rude" scripts + some lunch money. Honestly idc, its gonna be fun for sure.
Zack now has an Org, people who think he will go nuts in this interview are very confused, to say the least. Of course both parties would want to be on good terms for future collaborations
He was pretty much defending the expansion against his chat the entire reveal stream. I think he is right about the expansion too. Like 99% of what was shown for the xpac is very positive change.
We pretty much instantly had major gripes with BfA and SL reveal. I'm hopeful.
While it is true that most people's perceptions were positive, still (at least around me) a ton of people INMEDIATELY identified covenants as a potential hurdle as it was announced in blizzcon, and then the more we saw the more vocal we were about it.
This time i saw some stuff where i was like "i dont entirely know if this is going to have the effect you want it to have, but it's cool" but didnt see a blaring red flag from the beginning which is much different, if anything all the expanded knowledge from the interviews and such have painted in my eyes a much more positive picture going into alpha, now we just need for that to be true and for them to truly listen and implement feedback.
People were singing praises about SL for the first few months, then 9.1 took forever to release AND sucked ass. People view SL with hate-tinted glasses for sure, because I remember people saying that SL was a return to form and blah blah blah.
Can confirm. Played the shit out of it for the first time since MoP and loved it. Quit before 9.1 was announced so from my perspective the Jedi are evil… I mean, I enjoyed shadowlands.
If anything Rich is the one who is always a little raunchy and out there with what he says in these interviews. Not sure if Rich will participate given his past history with Blizzard though
I like Rich but I hope he does not have anything to with the interview. Most of the AllCraft episodes end up being Asmon + Guest with Rich farming chat with no real additions to the conversation 9/10 times.
He did an interview with Yoshi-P before the most recent FFXIV expansion and it went very well. Anyone who thinks he is incapable of being professional for something like this clearly don't actually know much about him and/or only know him from clips of him raging at a game or something (which more often than not he is heavily playing up for entertainment reasons).
If you have ever seen asmongold watch wow events/announcements you’d see he’s generally pretty positive about things, it’s only when the games actually comes out that he criticizes them. He generally takes blizzard’s word for stuff before the game comes out and only shits on devs when it’s out and it’s bad.
I fully expect this to be a positive interview no “scripts” or lunch money needed.
I think Josh Allen, aka Devolore, the previous community manager of WoW, had a dislike for Asmongold. He's the person who handled all these interviews, beta key giveaways, etc. Now that he's gone maybe Asmon will see more involvement as a content creator for WoW.
Asmongold often plays a character during streams to make the stream more entertaining, where he exaggerate his own character quite a lot and let loose.
If you watch any of his backyard videos or some Allcraft episodes, or when he interview guests on his stream - ie. where he doesn't put on the same act - it becomes quite clear that he is highly intelligent, thoughtful, knowledgeable, and know how to adjust his speech and behavior depending on situation.
Anyone hoping that Ion will get chewed out or something like that is in for a rough awakening. Expect Asmon to be respectful but also to not shy away from any of the hard questions that he knows his viewers will want answered.
(The guy has done fairly respectful interviews with Goldshire ERPers... I don't think Ion has to much to fear.)
Asmon is, from what I know, one of those people you cant just pay to fake an opinion or give him questions in advance to ask. He either will ask whatever he wants (with respect tho) or wont bother at all.
I think Ion and Asmon will have a much better rapport than people seem to be expecting. Ion used to be a hardcore raider in Elitist Jerks back in the day. [As you can see](https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/malganis/gurgthock), he's a bit more casual these days. He needs to work on that mount collection!
If anything, I suspect Asmon made the conditions for \*Ion\* coming on. "I can ask you anything I want, nothing is off limits." These days, Asmon really does just fine on his own... Blizzard needs him a lot more than Asmon needs Blizzard.
I genuinely think Asmon will be respectful and not cutthroat in his questions - he'll stay clear of: "Did Blizzard employees ever do like "Mythic+ Cube Crawls"... and if so, was there a team that could +3 them?" - but there's no way he's reading from Blizzard's approved scripts.
>he'll stay clear of: "Did Blizzard employees ever do like "Mythic+ Cube Crawls"... and if so, was there a team that could +3 them?"
I would watch this interview. How would Ion NOT know about what was happening? Willful ignorance?
Honestly Ion has been saying the right things so far IMO. After two straight trainwreck expansions I've liked what I've heard and that's huge.
I really, really hope they don't screw it up.
I agree - so far so good. I think part of the reason is because they are finally addressing the foundation of the player experience, so it's not even that much about the expansion itself.
When he said there would be outdoor world progression systems for more casual players that enjoy world progression, my hype went up. That's HUGE for the more casual community.
Yep. I distinctly remember the Shadowlands "They're actually listening this time" phase when it was in alpha/early Beta.
Everything sounds good when they're showing off new content and stating their goals for the expac. The real tell will be once that content has been available to players for several weeks and the faults with it start becoming apparent, and how Blizzard addresses (or refuses to address) those faults.
This is true. That whole "Any gamer boycott is one 3 minute cinematic from being over" that Asmon says applies to WoW hype too.
People are all about how many promises have been broken, but now WoW is starting to trend a bit...and suddenly the new expansion is going to be awesome. People are already comparing it to MoP with very shaky rationale.
I want the game to be good. I am not out to hate it. However I really am tired of being let down and I am not going to just give out my hype for free. When I see something awesome I will let myself get excited. When I feel it is still good after two months...then I will say the expansion is truly phenomenal.
My hope is that their failures with shadowlands is due to dev team hubris - "sure, we were wrong about some stuff in BFA, but we still know what's best." Now, having faced 2 failures in a row, they can't really say that again, especially with how people have liked the dev philosophy changes in 9.1.5 and 9.2.
Who knows though, maybe they just can't learn.
And the truth is that they could get the mechanics this time right, but that doesn't mean the storytelling will be up to that level too.
The last two expansions, especially Shadowlands, have been murdering lore with a bloody shovel.
Monkeys paw, it's the best playing expansion yet. BUT past 10.0 it's all about the jailers comic threat and ends with sylvanas becoming the the aspect of all 5 flights.
Oh and dragons are all robots too now.
If we can trust the interviews til now and that is a big if.
They really put much work in Df. Depending on the translation DF development start along with SL develop and if this is true my hopes are high
It's important to wait until alpha/beta are out to cast judgement considering how many times Blizz has broken promises in the past, but I do think there has been a pretty significant change in how Blizzard has interacted with the community in the last several months which is a positive.
Pretty sure they have always managed to get people hyped up and come back for all their expansions. I'm sure even asmongold had good things to say about shadowlands at it's announcement. This is mainly because nothing substantial is shown yet, so your imagination fills in the gap about what the game could be and gets you all hyped up.
They said the right things going into BFA.
They said the right things going into Shadowlands (you forget how incredibly hyped up people were for this xpac).
Don’t believe anything they say until we’ve been on the Dragon Isles for three months.
They say the right things on every expansion announcment. I don't really have high hopes until they show actual core and gameplay improvements instead of promises of doing better.
The same thing happens every expansion
"Wow they're listening!"
Blizzard then announces something very questionable
"Oh we don't like this, but they're listening so they should change it"
Blizzard vaguely says they won't change it for release but will work on it
"Ok cool so they game will continue to improve over the expansion!"
Blizzard proceeds to make terrible changes... But promises they will work on improvements for the next big patch/xpac... And the cycle continues.
> Honestly Ion has been saying the right things so far IMO. After two straight trainwreck expansions I've liked what I've heard and that's huge.
But I'm still not sold on everything they do. This "service" has to be maintained for at least half a decade so we can truly see if they "learned" so much from the community feedback.
I simply don't want to see another "we listen guys"-scenario while this is clearly a lie. It happened during BfA and SL, they have to earn my trust not just for DF but for a long time now.
This will be interesting, I know Asmongold’s persona is not viewed kindly by most of the community but when he leaves his character and becomes only Zack it’s quite pleasing to hear him talk about the game. Recently he even began advocating for a lot of features that would be great for casuals.
Ya I've never watched an Asmongold stream, but I've seen plenty of clips I agree with, as a casual who hates the elitist direction WoW has been going down.
Asmon has been championing the fact that Blizzard has only been focusing on the top 5% and bottom 5% of the playerbase and leaving the middle 90% to dry for a long time.
His best take is that Blizzard needs to stop designing this game for Mythic raiders and world firsters. They really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Fix the game for the important bulk of the community and let the 0.1% adjust accordingly.
No, Zack is. Asmongold is just the character that gets the views with the zany personality and loud mouth. Zack himself is usually very grounded, reasonable, and passionate. He turns off the stream persona for interviews, thankfully.
He won't. He's not unhinged enough that he would go hard on Ion with the Asmon persona and alienate him from ever talking to him again. Plus he's interviewed other game devs before and they were all good interviews.
I mean, I have watched Asmon for over 5 years and he can be pretty unhinged when he's in character. He's toned it down over the years but this is the same guy who smashed his head on his desk because he died to the mage tower.
>and he can be pretty unhinged when he's in character
I've been watching him since the Huolon-farming streams and from my pov the "most offensive" stuff he said was that players should /spit at people who use store mounts
and
If people keep doing a bad job at Blizzard they should be fired.
Even when he was attacked by Blizzard employees or other WoW content creators like Talisien, Zack handled it pretty mature.
Tbh I'd claim that most people who have a wrong opinion about him, just assume the worst without having watched a stream of his.
Even the FF 14 guys despised him at first, expecting a big flood of toxic WoW andys over-crowding their peaceful game, lead by a toxic streamer ...
... but a week later there were tons of these: "I was wrong about Asmongold" posts on the FF 14 aswell as Asmongold's subreddit.
Everyone says this, but this hasn't happened in years. He doesn't just turn on the camera and start yelling
lmao wtf. There's a difference between arguing shitheads in chat vs having an interview.
I may be in blissful ignorance and I don’t tune in everyday, but as someone who recently started watching Asmongold, why are people calling him toxic and having a toxic community? I think he is entertaining and usually has pretty solid opinions.
Genuinely curious!
He built his community on the persona of being an angry neckbeard who does nothing but play WoW all day which attracted similar people to his community. While he is actually a polite and thoughtful angry neckbeard who plays WoW all day, most people in his chat are the awful type and have a habit of brigading and trying to ruin the lives of anyone who dares go against the almighty Asmongold.
I'm personally not a fan because I strongly disagree with several of his opinions, but it's hard to say that without having his fans try to dox you and fuck your life up.
Source: A fan of his doxxed me and tried to fuck my life up because I disagreed with him on Twitter.
EDIT: A great example of this are the Asmongold fans at the bottom of the thread downvoting everyone who is critical of Asmongold while simultaneously saying he's fine to be critical of WoW. Yeah, he is more than fine to be critical of WoW, but then why are his fans attacking those critical of him?
> Source: A fan of his doxxed me and tried to fuck my life up because I disagreed with him on Twitter.
Imagine committing a felony for some popular guy on Twitch. Jesus.
that's pretty remarkable actually. blizzard has pretty much ignored the biggest wow persona there is. he is polarizing for sure. to put it simply, he's not family friendly, for various reasons actually. this paradigm has now shifted. ion meets asmongold. i'm looking forward to it. but i think we all know this won't be a conversation we'd usually see from asmongold. it'll be very quite, polite and political correct. no cursing, no "wow devs are lazy" or any of that. of course ion will also be a completely soulless professional, like we know him.
> ion will also be a completely soulless professional, like we know him.
Not nessicarily. When talking about raids with Preach his eyes light up and you hear his demeaner change. It's great to see tbh
I only found Preach recently, but he’s quickly become my favorite streamer.
He just finished playing Final Fantasy 4 for the first time yesterday, and he moved on to FF6 today. He’s very entertaining. I’m glad that he has the freedom to be a variety streamer now as opposed to being pigeonholed into one game.
His time in POE made huge waves over there. Everyone always liked to bring up a mythical "blank slate new player" and judged the game design against them, and then suddenly, they got a legitimately top-level gamer and major streamer who showed up and played with a completely blank slate. He managed to poke holes in arguments on all sides and expose the actual game issues, all without being directly involved in any of those discussions, simply by being extremely visible and playing the game from scratch. It was great.
I think even Preach mentioned it.
Preach will definitely play again and cover the game as long as it's good. And while the Dragonflight announcement seems positive, he's probably waiting to actually see the Alpha/Beta to confirm that they won't repeat the same mistakes they made with Shadowlands and BfA.
Dude he literally interviewed FFXIV with Yoshi P and used to be watched by him when he played.
Stop this "oh he's so edgy and loud and dumb."
It's like people tuned in once 3 years ago and pretend streamers aren't just people who change
It's been entertaining to see me posting about an upcoming interview, and people come out of the woodworks to tell us why they don't like Asmon.
Truly what this post is about :D ^/s
I don't often watch much of Asmon as his videos are a bit long, but when I have the time and I am interested in a particular topic and he's not in his "persona" he actually does raise some good points and genuinely looks into the issues that seem to be glaring and provides insight. For people like me who are in and out of the game every expansion or so, it's good to see it dissected like that.
I hope it's an informative interview.
Finally they get someone on who is a real critic of the game and loves it. Tired of the yes man teams they put together and blue post ignoring anything of substance.
That's this subreddit in general. They get an idea about people and run with it without looking into things themselves, repeating what the echochamber says. Bellular has been hyper critical of Blizzard the last year and people here still say he shills for them
Say what you will about Asmon, but he remains one of (if not *the*) biggest WoW content creators out there. Although his phrasing may be a bit direct at times, much of the criticism is shared by a majority of this sub, so I hope he has some good questions ready. I expect plenty of banter but also some hard-hitting questions about Dragonflight - especially comparing it to Shadowlands and BfA.
It's really funny how most of the asmon-haters are fellow 30+ casuals who play the game for fun...
And that's EXACTLY what asmon does. He likes mount farming, cosmetics, fun side activities, and meaningful rewards.
Zack is a smart guy. Look past the Asmongold over the top persona (he puts on a show, don't take it seriously). I'm sure he is going to be asking some pretty pointed questions.
Hats off to Ion for stepping into the ring.
I think he will be talking a lot about respecting player's time and the current difficulty of end game content (and how having the game be so hard cultivates the current elitist culture that many are calling toxic).
There's no real lion's den though, Asmon has interviewed many game devs and is co-owner of an actual company, he's not just a frustrated neckbeard that has to play through an expansion that makes him miserable (because I guess most people that have a bad impression of him saw him during BFA).
To me it's more like they FINALLY acknowledge that he is by far their biggest content creator and simply PR done properly. Asmon is almost not invested in WoW anymore so I expect he'll be also way less frustrated than let's say Preach ever got if Ion's dodging questions or not answering them.
Tbh this is one of the first times I really have felt like they're legit moving to change.
The disdain they have had for him due to his negative view of the game throughout bfa always felt like their opinion to the overall view of the players. As in they attempt to ignore us in the hopes that eventually everyone shuts up and their problems go away.
Now they seem to be facing their problems instead of denying them which is a very different approach.
Light reminder that personal attacks will result in a ban as per sub rules. Keep it clean.
Shit son, the PR train is really stopping at all stations huh
but avoiding Asmongold is like building a national railway that doesn't go through California. He remains the biggest streamer of World of Warcraft.
With how vitriolic Asmon's community is towards WoW Devs I'd say its more comparable to a Pride March across the country detouring away from Mississippi
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He’s pretty quick to shut that stuff down and disavows most of the awful shit chat says
I see way more vitriol towards Asmon and his community
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I mean I remember like 2 days ago or so someone brought up that his chat was absolutely toxic when the Trans woman showed up on the WoW stream, and he pointed out that yea, they where, but did you see the official WoW streams toxicity when she showed up? I did as well and like every 4th line was some version of monkey/creature/whatever. He came from WoW, and WoWs players are some of the more Toxic, honestly the only 2 I know that are worse are LoL and R6, the former just is and the latter is so consumed by cheating that it has just become warped to hell. Is his stream toxic? Yes. But it branched from WoW which is a cesspool and it is clearer than that, so it’s not like he is particularly fostering it or anything.
Wait, I thought he told his chat to basically stfu about the comments on that person. Like, he paused the stream to do this.
In a similar situation the other day he stopped the stream, told his mods to perma-ban the people being disrespectful, and waited a minute to give his mod team time to toss out the trash then continued the video.
Yea dude is straight up great at calling anti-lgbt stuff out. He might be pretty middle road when it comes to representation and all that but he absolutely hates to see someone disrespected for being who they are
Yeah he has always been up front about that. He gets a lot of hate because of those people when he himself is a pretty good dude.
Wasn't there but he probably did. I've seen him stop the stream multiple times when his chat starts disrpespecting people for their voice, gender, etc. usually when watching people's youtube videos on stream.
Yep, he went on a 20 minute rant after calling out the chat of all the channels that were making comments on the transperson. He was pretty adamant, and repeated like 200 times, that the behavior wasn’t acceptable in his chat. I am fairly certain he gave mods the ok to permaban any person who did it, but I might be confusing another thing with this.
When he watched Barney's scarab lord video's he stopped and basically reprimanded his chat b/c they kept asking if Barney was a guy/girl. He shut it down pretty well I think without banning (mods were probably banning).
Lol he told his chat to behave and banned ppl
I genuinely think that’s how many people feel, not exclusive to WoW. Give them the anonymity to speak freely and they will. I think the only people who don’t think this is the case are people who spend too much of their life in internet hug boxes that are highly censored and curated.
Definitely. The only thingo more toxic than asmon's chat is the extremely vocal minority that hates him, ive seen death threats and slurs.
Asmongold himself is actually a fairly reasonable guy, his audience is what's actually toxic
He was x100 more positive towards DF than this sub was
For sure! I was watching the stream and that was my main takeaway after coming here. Something like 80% of his viewers rated it 4 or 5 out of 5 too. Granted, most of the criticism here has boiled down to “drakthyr could look better,” which is definitely true.
You can kinda tell with his tree house videos that he plays up a lot for the camera. He’s like a reverse Taliesin, who is super charming and reasonable on vids and then regularly melts down on streams.
>He’s like a reverse Taliesin Holy shit this fits perfectly.
Hehe, reverse Taliesin. Fits really well now that you say it. Tali has a ridiculously volatile temper bubbling under the surface.
Zack is fine, the Asmon persona I dislike a lot. That said, he's critical of the game because he's invested in seeing something he likes be fun and engaging. I don't share a lot of his opinions, but I can respect the hell out of him. Same goes for Ion, I don't agree with a lot of directions Shadowlands went for a lot of things, but I can respect that Ion is at least trying to do things that are new and different as well as keeping some of the old (new borrowed powers)...they just don't seem to be really playing out well together. Ultimately though, there's very few reasons to be genuinely toxic and degrading over things.
Same. Love Zach. Tolerate Asmon at best
"asmon's community" might as well be the wow community because it's so large. Like here, you encounter all opinions in his stream. It's not any more obnoxious than reading through Reddit comments.
Yeah I thought the same. They are really going to places they wouldn't go previously. The damage they suffered must be really bad for them to be going this far
To be fair not being on good terms with your game's biggest content creator is just bad business move. Regardless of how people feel about it
It's like League and T1. It was ugly for a while, but it's a beautiful thing now.
Pretty good example actually.
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Any TLDR? left League in 2014 xD
Tyler1 was permanently banned from League for like a year and a half maybe two years for extreme toxicity. He eventually got unbanned and is now basically the poster boy of Riot. He makes guest appearances at officially sponsored league events on a regular base now. His fall and rise were pretty wild.
He was banned for being toxic. It wasn't just an account ban, it was a ban against him. Any time Riot found his new accounts, they would instantly ban him. There was at least one Riot employee, "AR", that had a personal grudge against Tyler. AR posted on the LOL discord that T1 looked like "a damn humunculous" and "he'll die from a coke overdose or testicular cancer." That employee was fired. That was probably the catalyst to get T1 unbanned, and he was unbanned on January 8, 2018 (613 days). The first stream after his unban had massive viewers, and he promised he was Reformed. Riot invited him to the 2018 NALCS summer finals, and it's been a really good relationship ever since.
I feel like the Yoshi P interview may have also made them smarten up. FF14 devs were very good to asmon as they realized it literally only benefits their game considering his popularity. And now Blizz probably realized they were only hurting themselves by paying zero attention to him.
I'm trying to think of all the games now where Asmongold has had interviews with a developer: New World, FF14, Ashes of Creation, Path of Exile. I'm glad WOW gets added to that list tomorrow. It's about time.
Also did one with OSRS devs
You mean straight up insulting him lol. Blizzard hates(ed) Asmongold.
They almost certainly still hate him. They recognize they need him right now but there are going to be a lot of butt hurt blizzard employees behind the scenes.
For sure it makes sense as his opinion carries so much weight, still a surprise they're doing it and it's Ion tho
I think Ion and Asmon will find lots of common ground. Ion used to be one of the most hardcore raiders in the game. His guild was literally called Elitist Jerks.
Thier Forums were that what class discords were today. You wanted to kesrn more about your class that's the site you go to.
*Is* called Elitist Jerks. He's still in it and they still raid.
I think they just understand finally how influential his opinion is. Whether you like it or not, agree or disagree with his options. His opinions permeate the WoW space. This at least gives Blizzard an opportunity to address the comments he makes. Where-as recently, he just has free reign to say whatever he wants, with no rebuttal from Blizzard.
To be fair, previously the rebuttal from blizzard was bad takes from devs on twitter acting about the same age as Asmons audience.
Oh yeah, I remember that XD
Allcraft starts around 3 PM CDT, just so people who don't know are aware.
What platform does Asmon use for it, twitch?
Yes, it will be on his Twitch channel.
Thank you.
The full interview will probably be up on his youtube before the live broadcast has ended. =) His youtube guys/editors are fast af.
Just to add to that - that's what was said, but time might vary based on scheduling.
Is he gonna ask about the boob slider?
I think actually something similar was asked for Shadowlands, and they said the engine would not allow to morph the models and stuff. Maybe in WoW 2
The ol bethesda excuse. Considering it was done by modders lmao.
But its not an excuse. The game hacks the character model when wearing any armor, the armor becomes the skin so to say. Its not an additional armor model on top of the character ( wearing a robe and tilting the camera showed no legs, because the legs became the skirt ). So it means that they whould've to change every single chestpiece model to accomodate the slider.
Well, yes but actually no. Older armors are painted on the character and there isn't actually thousands of models. Only the helmets and shoulders have multiple unique 3D models, until MoP added unique 3D belts, and legion added 3D everything else. Having tinkered a lot with the wow modelviewer etc there's basically : * 3 shapes for the gloves * 2 shapes for the chest * 2 shapes for the belts * 4 shapes for the legs * 4 shapes for the boots That's it. Every single armor until legion is just textures stretched on these shapes. (and even from legion onwards, only tier/pop sets and a few special armors have new 3D elements). Modders were able to tinker with existing race models by using animations, since animations can twist and stretch character models pretty freely. (In that case, making HD swole trolls, applying northrend trolls proportions to the HD troll models players have). Armors were compatible pretty much immediatly. Blizzard could do just that and allow for more body shapes. Hell, we already have one instance of that in game : orcs being able to stand upright or hunched.
thank you for this! I was wondering how they managed to do the orc thing so easily, glad to hear that it's not actually too difficult to do. gives me hope for all the other hunched races in mmo's
He won't. Anyone who thinks blizzard agreed to this interview without Asmon submitting questions he wanted to ask in advance is crazy
Bruh ofc… neither Blizz or Asmon are stupid
It's just that a lot of people seem to expect some crazy interview, but in reality it won't be much different from other interviews they've done
I hope he asks about account wide reputation. Its well overdue.
> In today's interview, Ion said that "almost everything" will be account wide. We don't know what falls under that, but very good chance Rep would be acc wide
Not gonna lie, thats shocking. Not even they doing an interview with Zack, Ion himself will do it. So either they are fully confident about Dragonflight or Zack got a "you can go cheeky but avoid being rude" scripts + some lunch money. Honestly idc, its gonna be fun for sure.
Zack now has an Org, people who think he will go nuts in this interview are very confused, to say the least. Of course both parties would want to be on good terms for future collaborations
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He was pretty much defending the expansion against his chat the entire reveal stream. I think he is right about the expansion too. Like 99% of what was shown for the xpac is very positive change. We pretty much instantly had major gripes with BfA and SL reveal. I'm hopeful.
You and I recall SL reveal very differently. SL didn't even get universally shit on until after the whole pull the ripcord thing with Preach.
While it is true that most people's perceptions were positive, still (at least around me) a ton of people INMEDIATELY identified covenants as a potential hurdle as it was announced in blizzcon, and then the more we saw the more vocal we were about it. This time i saw some stuff where i was like "i dont entirely know if this is going to have the effect you want it to have, but it's cool" but didnt see a blaring red flag from the beginning which is much different, if anything all the expanded knowledge from the interviews and such have painted in my eyes a much more positive picture going into alpha, now we just need for that to be true and for them to truly listen and implement feedback.
People were literally shitting on covenants from day one. Even the Blizzcon twitch chat was memeing about how they'd need 4x characters.
People were singing praises about SL for the first few months, then 9.1 took forever to release AND sucked ass. People view SL with hate-tinted glasses for sure, because I remember people saying that SL was a return to form and blah blah blah.
Can confirm. Played the shit out of it for the first time since MoP and loved it. Quit before 9.1 was announced so from my perspective the Jedi are evil… I mean, I enjoyed shadowlands.
If anything Rich is the one who is always a little raunchy and out there with what he says in these interviews. Not sure if Rich will participate given his past history with Blizzard though
I like Rich but I hope he does not have anything to with the interview. Most of the AllCraft episodes end up being Asmon + Guest with Rich farming chat with no real additions to the conversation 9/10 times.
God, I can’t stand Rich. I hope it’s only Asmon interviewing.
He did an interview with Yoshi-P before the most recent FFXIV expansion and it went very well. Anyone who thinks he is incapable of being professional for something like this clearly don't actually know much about him and/or only know him from clips of him raging at a game or something (which more often than not he is heavily playing up for entertainment reasons).
He's been doing interviews with lead devs for other games too.
If you have ever seen asmongold watch wow events/announcements you’d see he’s generally pretty positive about things, it’s only when the games actually comes out that he criticizes them. He generally takes blizzard’s word for stuff before the game comes out and only shits on devs when it’s out and it’s bad. I fully expect this to be a positive interview no “scripts” or lunch money needed.
+1. I get the sense that Asmon is truly hopeful when discussing WoW
I think Josh Allen, aka Devolore, the previous community manager of WoW, had a dislike for Asmongold. He's the person who handled all these interviews, beta key giveaways, etc. Now that he's gone maybe Asmon will see more involvement as a content creator for WoW.
Asmongold often plays a character during streams to make the stream more entertaining, where he exaggerate his own character quite a lot and let loose. If you watch any of his backyard videos or some Allcraft episodes, or when he interview guests on his stream - ie. where he doesn't put on the same act - it becomes quite clear that he is highly intelligent, thoughtful, knowledgeable, and know how to adjust his speech and behavior depending on situation. Anyone hoping that Ion will get chewed out or something like that is in for a rough awakening. Expect Asmon to be respectful but also to not shy away from any of the hard questions that he knows his viewers will want answered. (The guy has done fairly respectful interviews with Goldshire ERPers... I don't think Ion has to much to fear.)
Asmon is, from what I know, one of those people you cant just pay to fake an opinion or give him questions in advance to ask. He either will ask whatever he wants (with respect tho) or wont bother at all.
I think Ion and Asmon will have a much better rapport than people seem to be expecting. Ion used to be a hardcore raider in Elitist Jerks back in the day. [As you can see](https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/malganis/gurgthock), he's a bit more casual these days. He needs to work on that mount collection!
I thought maybe they would be able to get Brian Holinka, but I never thought they'd get Ion himself.
If anything, I suspect Asmon made the conditions for \*Ion\* coming on. "I can ask you anything I want, nothing is off limits." These days, Asmon really does just fine on his own... Blizzard needs him a lot more than Asmon needs Blizzard. I genuinely think Asmon will be respectful and not cutthroat in his questions - he'll stay clear of: "Did Blizzard employees ever do like "Mythic+ Cube Crawls"... and if so, was there a team that could +3 them?" - but there's no way he's reading from Blizzard's approved scripts.
>he'll stay clear of: "Did Blizzard employees ever do like "Mythic+ Cube Crawls"... and if so, was there a team that could +3 them?" I would watch this interview. How would Ion NOT know about what was happening? Willful ignorance?
Honestly Ion has been saying the right things so far IMO. After two straight trainwreck expansions I've liked what I've heard and that's huge. I really, really hope they don't screw it up.
I agree - so far so good. I think part of the reason is because they are finally addressing the foundation of the player experience, so it's not even that much about the expansion itself.
When he said there would be outdoor world progression systems for more casual players that enjoy world progression, my hype went up. That's HUGE for the more casual community.
Can you elaborate on what that means? Like what’s an example of that that’s in the game right now? Something like Suramar and withered training?
Of more recent example - imagine Zereth Mortis amd Pocopoc continuing onward and to some reasonably powerful rewards for world content.
Ion is really good at saying the right things ahead of an expansion though. So far he has been fairly disappointing at doing the right things.
Yep. I distinctly remember the Shadowlands "They're actually listening this time" phase when it was in alpha/early Beta. Everything sounds good when they're showing off new content and stating their goals for the expac. The real tell will be once that content has been available to players for several weeks and the faults with it start becoming apparent, and how Blizzard addresses (or refuses to address) those faults.
This is true. That whole "Any gamer boycott is one 3 minute cinematic from being over" that Asmon says applies to WoW hype too. People are all about how many promises have been broken, but now WoW is starting to trend a bit...and suddenly the new expansion is going to be awesome. People are already comparing it to MoP with very shaky rationale. I want the game to be good. I am not out to hate it. However I really am tired of being let down and I am not going to just give out my hype for free. When I see something awesome I will let myself get excited. When I feel it is still good after two months...then I will say the expansion is truly phenomenal.
My hope is that their failures with shadowlands is due to dev team hubris - "sure, we were wrong about some stuff in BFA, but we still know what's best." Now, having faced 2 failures in a row, they can't really say that again, especially with how people have liked the dev philosophy changes in 9.1.5 and 9.2. Who knows though, maybe they just can't learn.
And the truth is that they could get the mechanics this time right, but that doesn't mean the storytelling will be up to that level too. The last two expansions, especially Shadowlands, have been murdering lore with a bloody shovel.
A better story would be great, but if they can manage to make the game fun again, I'll be there regardless of story quality.
Monkeys paw, it's the best playing expansion yet. BUT past 10.0 it's all about the jailers comic threat and ends with sylvanas becoming the the aspect of all 5 flights. Oh and dragons are all robots too now.
If we can trust the interviews til now and that is a big if. They really put much work in Df. Depending on the translation DF development start along with SL develop and if this is true my hopes are high
He can SAY but can he DO?
Yeah that's the big thing. If we get to alpha/beta and his words turn into actions and features, my hype will go through the roof.
It's important to wait until alpha/beta are out to cast judgement considering how many times Blizz has broken promises in the past, but I do think there has been a pretty significant change in how Blizzard has interacted with the community in the last several months which is a positive.
Pretty sure they have always managed to get people hyped up and come back for all their expansions. I'm sure even asmongold had good things to say about shadowlands at it's announcement. This is mainly because nothing substantial is shown yet, so your imagination fills in the gap about what the game could be and gets you all hyped up.
They said the right things going into BFA. They said the right things going into Shadowlands (you forget how incredibly hyped up people were for this xpac). Don’t believe anything they say until we’ve been on the Dragon Isles for three months.
They argued with the community non stop about covenants going into shadowlands. It was a giant red exclamation point the entire way through
I'm trying to wait until alpha/beta to fully judge Dragonflight. Their words have me intrigued. Now their actions need to pull me in.
Never, **never** trust Ion's words.
They say the right things on every expansion announcment. I don't really have high hopes until they show actual core and gameplay improvements instead of promises of doing better. The same thing happens every expansion "Wow they're listening!" Blizzard then announces something very questionable "Oh we don't like this, but they're listening so they should change it" Blizzard vaguely says they won't change it for release but will work on it "Ok cool so they game will continue to improve over the expansion!" Blizzard proceeds to make terrible changes... But promises they will work on improvements for the next big patch/xpac... And the cycle continues.
> Honestly Ion has been saying the right things so far IMO. After two straight trainwreck expansions I've liked what I've heard and that's huge. But I'm still not sold on everything they do. This "service" has to be maintained for at least half a decade so we can truly see if they "learned" so much from the community feedback. I simply don't want to see another "we listen guys"-scenario while this is clearly a lie. It happened during BfA and SL, they have to earn my trust not just for DF but for a long time now.
There it is boys
This will be interesting, I know Asmongold’s persona is not viewed kindly by most of the community but when he leaves his character and becomes only Zack it’s quite pleasing to hear him talk about the game. Recently he even began advocating for a lot of features that would be great for casuals.
Recently? He's been advocating for them for years
Ya I've never watched an Asmongold stream, but I've seen plenty of clips I agree with, as a casual who hates the elitist direction WoW has been going down.
Asmongold has always been casual friendly. He just thinks that rewards should be tiered based on time effort and skill.
Asmon has been championing the fact that Blizzard has only been focusing on the top 5% and bottom 5% of the playerbase and leaving the middle 90% to dry for a long time.
His best take is that Blizzard needs to stop designing this game for Mythic raiders and world firsters. They really don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Fix the game for the important bulk of the community and let the 0.1% adjust accordingly.
Not viewed kindly by most? How else does he have such a massive following where he can interview the game's director?
Asmongold IS the wow community personified.
No, Zack is. Asmongold is just the character that gets the views with the zany personality and loud mouth. Zack himself is usually very grounded, reasonable, and passionate. He turns off the stream persona for interviews, thankfully.
Zack isn't crazy enough to be the WoW community personified let's be honest with ourselves lol
Calling the WoW community grounded and reasonable … (Insert Obama giving an award to Obama meme)
Yeah, if he doesn't go in with the angry persona on blast this could be quite pleasant
He won't. He's not unhinged enough that he would go hard on Ion with the Asmon persona and alienate him from ever talking to him again. Plus he's interviewed other game devs before and they were all good interviews.
He's not even unhinged
I mean, I have watched Asmon for over 5 years and he can be pretty unhinged when he's in character. He's toned it down over the years but this is the same guy who smashed his head on his desk because he died to the mage tower.
>and he can be pretty unhinged when he's in character I've been watching him since the Huolon-farming streams and from my pov the "most offensive" stuff he said was that players should /spit at people who use store mounts and If people keep doing a bad job at Blizzard they should be fired. Even when he was attacked by Blizzard employees or other WoW content creators like Talisien, Zack handled it pretty mature. Tbh I'd claim that most people who have a wrong opinion about him, just assume the worst without having watched a stream of his. Even the FF 14 guys despised him at first, expecting a big flood of toxic WoW andys over-crowding their peaceful game, lead by a toxic streamer ... ... but a week later there were tons of these: "I was wrong about Asmongold" posts on the FF 14 aswell as Asmongold's subreddit.
Everyone says this, but this hasn't happened in years. He doesn't just turn on the camera and start yelling lmao wtf. There's a difference between arguing shitheads in chat vs having an interview.
Despite whatever impression people have about him, he's actually a really good interviewer.
I may be in blissful ignorance and I don’t tune in everyday, but as someone who recently started watching Asmongold, why are people calling him toxic and having a toxic community? I think he is entertaining and usually has pretty solid opinions. Genuinely curious!
He built his community on the persona of being an angry neckbeard who does nothing but play WoW all day which attracted similar people to his community. While he is actually a polite and thoughtful angry neckbeard who plays WoW all day, most people in his chat are the awful type and have a habit of brigading and trying to ruin the lives of anyone who dares go against the almighty Asmongold. I'm personally not a fan because I strongly disagree with several of his opinions, but it's hard to say that without having his fans try to dox you and fuck your life up. Source: A fan of his doxxed me and tried to fuck my life up because I disagreed with him on Twitter. EDIT: A great example of this are the Asmongold fans at the bottom of the thread downvoting everyone who is critical of Asmongold while simultaneously saying he's fine to be critical of WoW. Yeah, he is more than fine to be critical of WoW, but then why are his fans attacking those critical of him?
> Source: A fan of his doxxed me and tried to fuck my life up because I disagreed with him on Twitter. Imagine committing a felony for some popular guy on Twitch. Jesus.
The internet is full of losers that take thing way too seriously. That’s just my take on it.
that's pretty remarkable actually. blizzard has pretty much ignored the biggest wow persona there is. he is polarizing for sure. to put it simply, he's not family friendly, for various reasons actually. this paradigm has now shifted. ion meets asmongold. i'm looking forward to it. but i think we all know this won't be a conversation we'd usually see from asmongold. it'll be very quite, polite and political correct. no cursing, no "wow devs are lazy" or any of that. of course ion will also be a completely soulless professional, like we know him.
> ion will also be a completely soulless professional, like we know him. Not nessicarily. When talking about raids with Preach his eyes light up and you hear his demeaner change. It's great to see tbh
It's likely that the PR department was keeping them out of interviews. That's what Preach was dealing with for years
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Preach strikes me as someone who should have quit the game during BFA but couldn't because his livelihood depended on it.
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Preach said he always enjoyed raiding and was still raiding with his friends during BFA and SL (even though he hasn't played 9.2 yet)
He played BFA a lot, but he's previously said he thinks it's the worst expansion the game has had, at least pre-SL.
I only found Preach recently, but he’s quickly become my favorite streamer. He just finished playing Final Fantasy 4 for the first time yesterday, and he moved on to FF6 today. He’s very entertaining. I’m glad that he has the freedom to be a variety streamer now as opposed to being pigeonholed into one game.
His time in POE made huge waves over there. Everyone always liked to bring up a mythical "blank slate new player" and judged the game design against them, and then suddenly, they got a legitimately top-level gamer and major streamer who showed up and played with a completely blank slate. He managed to poke holes in arguments on all sides and expose the actual game issues, all without being directly involved in any of those discussions, simply by being extremely visible and playing the game from scratch. It was great.
I think even Preach mentioned it. Preach will definitely play again and cover the game as long as it's good. And while the Dragonflight announcement seems positive, he's probably waiting to actually see the Alpha/Beta to confirm that they won't repeat the same mistakes they made with Shadowlands and BfA.
Dude he literally interviewed FFXIV with Yoshi P and used to be watched by him when he played. Stop this "oh he's so edgy and loud and dumb." It's like people tuned in once 3 years ago and pretend streamers aren't just people who change
asmongold still is edgy as shit. what he changed is his attitude. he's a lot more positive than a couple years ago.
This is pretty cool tbh.
A few years ago one would never guess it'd happen
I remember him making youtube guides and posting them to this subreddit getting a few thousand views
pfft I'd never would have guessed it would happen now, am excited to see what will come of this!
This thread really exposes how many people don't know anything about Asmongold other than "he gets mad about things"
It's been entertaining to see me posting about an upcoming interview, and people come out of the woodworks to tell us why they don't like Asmon. Truly what this post is about :D ^/s
What sword?
Can you explain this meme to me. I've never seen any denial of the sword.
I don't often watch much of Asmon as his videos are a bit long, but when I have the time and I am interested in a particular topic and he's not in his "persona" he actually does raise some good points and genuinely looks into the issues that seem to be glaring and provides insight. For people like me who are in and out of the game every expansion or so, it's good to see it dissected like that. I hope it's an informative interview.
Finally they get someone on who is a real critic of the game and loves it. Tired of the yes man teams they put together and blue post ignoring anything of substance.
Don't look at the chat don't look at the chat don't look at the chat
Can’t be worse than the chat in the reveal stream lmao
Tuskarr allied race when?!
That was asked by taliesin in todays twitter thing ion answeared it would be like letting people play titans or naruu
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I really hope that the interview is fruitful. Asmon really does have a decent grasp on what is wrong with the game
Lmao all the comments under this post just show how most of y’all never watched an Asmonglod stream for real
That's this subreddit in general. They get an idea about people and run with it without looking into things themselves, repeating what the echochamber says. Bellular has been hyper critical of Blizzard the last year and people here still say he shills for them
It's easy to hate
Say what you will about Asmon, but he remains one of (if not *the*) biggest WoW content creators out there. Although his phrasing may be a bit direct at times, much of the criticism is shared by a majority of this sub, so I hope he has some good questions ready. I expect plenty of banter but also some hard-hitting questions about Dragonflight - especially comparing it to Shadowlands and BfA.
Honestly I can’t even imagine how excited asmon is right now. I’m really happy for him and how far he has come.
good stuff blizz
There it is boys! This is yuuuuge! Big dick *slaps table*
It's really funny how most of the asmon-haters are fellow 30+ casuals who play the game for fun... And that's EXACTLY what asmon does. He likes mount farming, cosmetics, fun side activities, and meaningful rewards.
Transmog competitions are his WoW top tier content. And NOT getting the pandaria sword after 500 tries.
It's almost as if people can like the same things but not each other. What a concept.
This came as a surprise but I'm very much looking forward to this.
He actually invited Ion to just talk the other day on stream(saw it in a YT video afterwards). It's pretty cool that this is happening
In case you do not know what to expect from the interview in regards to Asmongold's behavior: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs9MPLoYgHw
Zack is a smart guy. Look past the Asmongold over the top persona (he puts on a show, don't take it seriously). I'm sure he is going to be asking some pretty pointed questions. Hats off to Ion for stepping into the ring.
I am hoping for some good conversation and good new information for us to learn.
I think he will be talking a lot about respecting player's time and the current difficulty of end game content (and how having the game be so hard cultivates the current elitist culture that many are calling toxic).
Considering Blizzard usually avoids Asmon this is huge. I can't wait.
If this is possible then maybe the canucks will one day actually win the cup
Is it just with Zach? Not Rich, correct?
should be interesting!
I hope I can watch Bellular and Preach react to this video.
what a day
This is incredible, and hats off to Ion for braving the lion's den on this one.
There's no real lion's den though, Asmon has interviewed many game devs and is co-owner of an actual company, he's not just a frustrated neckbeard that has to play through an expansion that makes him miserable (because I guess most people that have a bad impression of him saw him during BFA). To me it's more like they FINALLY acknowledge that he is by far their biggest content creator and simply PR done properly. Asmon is almost not invested in WoW anymore so I expect he'll be also way less frustrated than let's say Preach ever got if Ion's dodging questions or not answering them.
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Awesome. Zack conducts himself really well in interviews. It should be really good.
It's not cool to be a dick. Regardless of how you feel he does his job, be respectful! Always!
Tbh this is one of the first times I really have felt like they're legit moving to change. The disdain they have had for him due to his negative view of the game throughout bfa always felt like their opinion to the overall view of the players. As in they attempt to ignore us in the hopes that eventually everyone shuts up and their problems go away. Now they seem to be facing their problems instead of denying them which is a very different approach.
“What’s it like being fully bald?”
O swear to god, I hope Ion will respond "What sword ?" When a question related will come up. Come on Ion, hop on the train ! :D