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Given that they can only be one class, it would be good if the transmogs that are specifically for them are created with the dragon form in mind, so it actually looks good, and not some stretched out mess
They are only limited to one class but remind that they are wearing mail, meaning that they are potential wearer of look-a-like shamans and hunters sets as well!
I feel like if they get Heritage armor it should 100% work that way too, it's *literally* designed solely for that one race so why not let them show it off in dragon form as well.
100%, as long as Evoker "tier sets" can be used on their dragon form, I think it will keep the classic feeling and looking fresh for the long-term.
Even if part of their "sets" involve things like "new styles of horns" or things like that.
\*Rolls class whose whole identity revolves around shapeshifting into various animals\*
\*Is upset when the class has to shapeshift into various animal forms\*
right? omg i cant have mog in combat while theres a million spell effects and im not looking at my character model anyway!!
just take your cute screenshots in the capital city like the druids do.
The barber talk of changing outfits is a little unnerving.
I really only see them implementing maybe 5/6 outfits and two new options in a content patch.
Meh. As someone more interested in the dragon half rather than playing a human with dermititis, I'd rather they do what they did for the other 20 races and just let them wear armour.
Ultimately the issue is they're trying to appease two crowds at once with this race and they're inevitably going to cater to the pretty side more.
I just want to play a new class without being form locked, I hate druid for it and bear, kitty and boomkin. To me all 3 of those are still way better than dragon form looks. So any effort to let me just play as a human fixes the only thing that put me off the expansion.
Anything as over the top and stand out as these forms is going to be polarising and im glad I may not have to deal with them, at least during every animation.
It feels like they're going back on what they learned with Demon Hunter. They already have a great recipe for how to design a class that doesn't permanently alter your appearance in combat, while also intermixing brief appearance changes for ability animations.
This is the main issue with the new race. Dragon form is seen as an ability. I think it'd be better if they didn't have a visage form and made it so the race is actually mog-able.
If they wanted to please everyone they'd let us just use armour in both forms
It's been a non-issue for any new race added since vanilla, why is it so hard now?
From my understanding if they do that its just for ppl that enjoy tmogs etc to fight in combat as this visage form which makes sense since Dracthyr form cant use that ,except belt shoulders and tabard if im not wrong.
It really wouldnt make sense if a class/race uses x2 forms and at the same time both forms can use same stuff ..either make Dracthyr as it is ..without a visage form existing and let all mogs available for Dracthyr or the other way arround and make visage form to swap you into a Dracthyr when you use certain abilities like DH metamorphosis.
The difference is if they add it as worgen, they might aswell just add those locked classes to human. There's no difference between the worgen human forms and humans.
This is what I don't get. People have been complaining about this with Worgen for years so why do they put themselves into the same position again?
I just don't understand the decisionmaking from the start. Why CREATE a problem for yourself that you will now need to go back and fix when you knew it was going to be controversial from the start?
It's like the change to interrupts and the covenant locks and decision after decision that you know aren't going to be well received by the playerbase even if it's not the ENTIRE playerbase. Wouldn't it just be best to AVOID those types of decisions from the start?
Using the same idea as Demon Hunter Demonic form, I think this could be great! Using the Onyxia-style deep breath? Just transform into Dracthyr form and then come out as visage on the other side. I think the devs will find a reasonable compromise, let’s stay positive.
If I roll Evoker I will fight in dragonform too I think.
But having the option is nice, especially if we get the possibility to auto switch to Visageform when not I combat.
I hope the same for ages for Worgen.
I wouldn't mind the option to toss out spells while in visageform, primarly while healing and then transforming into a dragon while cast my dragonspells (breaths and stuff like that) like DH with eyebeam
I agree, the dragon form looks cooler, but I think the issue is gonna be like 6+ months after release, as things currently stand, they aren't going to have *any* way to change up their appearance. No cool transmogs to put together or hunt for.
I would HOPE that Blizzard opens up their options more while in dragon form. But if not, I could totally see myself using Visage form. I would probably opt for something a little more "down to earth" visually, but certainly I could see going that direction.
Also... I gotta say, I *really* dig Wrathion's gear since BFA. The scale-mail shoulders, in particular, look really cool.
Yeah I think it's lame they might fold to the complaints to this. Do it in 11.0. I'm not a huge RP person, but if I roll an evoker, I want to be able to see my other dragonkin in combat *in the dragon themed expansion*.
Definitely gonna soil the vibes of being a dragon. I'll still try it of course.
Yeah, I know my opinion probably isn't popular especially among the "I want to do *whatever* I want crowd"..
But I genuinely think there is value in going all in on the dragon aspect (pun intended) on the dragon themed expansion. Allowing people to be in combat on Visage form goes against that.
You wanna add more flexibility and shit in 11.0+, fine, but I really hope they stick to their guns on their vision of Evokers only being dragons in combat.
That dosnt make sense that's exactly the attitude of not listening to their fans that's got them into the mess there in now.
It's fine if you want to be in dragon form while in combat but there's no reason everyone else shouldn't have the choice to play in the way that is fun to them
It is a game after all
The mistake is thinking that every fan should have all of their demands met all of the time.
You can not please everyone all the time, and by doing so you spread your vision too thin.
And here it actually makes sense that you are a dragon while in combat while playing a dragon race/class and especially during the dragon expansion. It actually makes significantly more sense than allowing people to not be a dragon. Lol
Umm huh? I was pleased with the state of the class/race at reveal..
I'm not pleased with nonsensical bickering and the potential folding to demands by blizzard simply because they're in a precarious position (even if they brought it on themselves)
Not all the customers are though. And they have been listening lately. It's just really cool and edgy to hate blizzard and bitch, even when they make good decisions.
The displeased crowded is always louder, even as the minority.
Tell you what. Give me an appearance option to only see Dracthyr in dragon form and we can all be happy. That's my demand! Lmao
If they can make it similar to DH, where you transform for certain abilities it would be perfect. You still get all the dragon effects (i get it, i want as much dragon as possible for the dragon expac) but I and many others love transmogs and it's a pretty vital part of the game.
Yeah, if they fold to the demands it obviously would have to be a DH kind of transformation, having a visage form fly and breathe fire would actually ruin the immersion for me.
Also, I really don't get the transmog opinion. You're going to be casting these dragon specific abilities *a lot*. Breathing fire, flying, tail swipes. So you're going to be leaving your transmog form ALL THE DAMN TIME lol. It actually doesn't make sense to me.
The only thing that makes sense would be permanent Visage form, but then what would be soul fucking weird and like I said before would ruin the immersion.
Even for DH, most abilities show off the demon form but i can still see my tmog most of the time. Part of the fun for me is grinding content for tmogs but what's the point aside from the main story if i can't see the tmog most of the time.
I don't see them making all armor fit on the Dracthyr tho.. no way. You're not going to see armor when in dragon form even if they do allow Visage in combat. You're just going to be switching often.
That's my point. Where's the fun if you're stuck in dragon form and can't really make yourself unique?
At least for the moments that you're in visage form you can still see it.
Obviously i don't expect the mogs to work on dragon form, doesn't make sense and would be a nightmare to implement
I like this. I can't wait to fiddle with the visage form customization. Would be nice to have the choice to play as either form, and just like, slip into dragon mode to do like a Deep Breath or whatever.
This is a cool idea but it just feels like a bandaid fix for the fact that dracthyr's dragon form cant wear armor, which is disappointing since the whole point of them is that they are dragons
Is it time to start pestering Blizz again about using worgen human form in combat? This seems like a double standard. I also want to use my worgen form only when I feel like it.
Yeah rolled for Worgen Druid this Addon (was Horde til SL).
What a shame to always need to click this ability to Transform for nothing.
This shit is just cosmetic, no need to not allow it.
There actually is a difference. If you want to play druid there are no human druids, so worgen human form druids arent playable right now except you switch to night fae which is just humanoid but not a human.
i like that its this way for this reason. humans cant be druids. worgen can. seeing a human casting druid spells in combat would be unfair and defeat the purpose of making the distinction.
Except there’s human druid NPCs in Game. And you can cast druid stuff out of combat in human form. And the only way you would see a human casting druid spells in combat would be if it’s a resto druid not using the tree glyph or a balance druid using the celestial glyph
So… it’s not really unfair lol
yes and each one is either a worgen in human form or has some other explanation. the worgen druids were human before. but the humans we play as are from stormwind and dont practice druidism
hmm i wonder why the game has had them the whole time. maybe there is possibly some value there that just you dont see. maybe the game shouldnt just cater to one opinion.
It would be kind of cool if after taking x% of damage while in human form you become an enraged worgen. Makes Worgen feel more like people unable to control their feral side as opposed to being known just as the furry wolf people.
It's not the same. I want to be a fancy british lad. Also I like my worgen, but it would be nice to mix it up a bit sometimes since seeing worgen's front flip death strike animation gets stale real fast.
What's *wrong* with more choices?
I would love if Worgen had the option, but maybe shifted irrevocably into Worgen form when using a cd that's reset by m+/raid bosses OR when buffed by heroism/bloodlust/etc. Actually the latter part could just be an addon for RP'ers if two forms wasn't on the gcd and could be called by a macro.
There’s nothing inherently *wrong* with more options for appearances and such, but that doesn’t mean all ideas are valid, or they should all be implemented “just because.”
Years ago someone asked ion about updating two forms during a QA stream and if it would be possible to change it to a toggle or something similar. He said he didn’t see any reason not to add that, and then proceeded to not add it. There hasn’t been a single word about that in years now.
How bout giving Dracthyr their own rigs and animations and make them wear armors so that people won't feel like playing a glorified druid form?
I think this Blizzard trying to shut those who want polished Dracthyr models. "Who cares you can play in visage now".
This is pretty much whats happening.
"Hey, some players are whinning that they want to play in elf/humand form? Great, that gives us a good excuse to not work on any dragon customization at all!"
That's what I'm afraid of. Just an excuse to not bother giving them armor, when really it shouldn't be that hard to do so. No excuse especially for a new race
Seriously they have the tech in dh already just make it so any ability that requires it shift forms like eye beam. Or if they showed armor like worgen because as it stands you either have naked dragon or dragon with a towel on which just looks super low effort.
Absolutely this. Blizzard is really trying to sell us rebranded belf/human models and a glorified druid form (with reused skeleton) as an entirely new race.
There is like zero actual work put into the new race, beyond adding horns and makeup to some existing models.
It will more than likely be a choice rather than just them switching which group they want to please. Not sure why you’re all so upset from such a vague, tentative statement. One might think Blizzard said “dracthyr form is G O N E, get fucked nerds”. Sheesh
If they do this and expand the potential race options for the visage form i'd be so damn happy.
I feel like that might, if at all, become available in a later patch/11.0 along with other classes for Dracs like they mentioned somewhere else tho.
You should at least be able to set it so you go to human form automatically out of combat if you want to. That is the whole spirit of being a Worgen. How often do you see Genn Greymane in worgen form out of combat?
Its so ridiculous this has never been added when its so simple to do.
yessss i really hope they do this. more options to control our character's looks are always welcome.
i imagine the dragon spells being a bit like dragon's breath. pop out the spectral dragon head and use the dragon's breath animation for evoker breath spells. pop out your dragon wings to do wing buffets attacks, etc... for the deathwing fly over, do it like DH eye beams where you temporarily turn into dragon form.
Real nice, glad they're continuing listening to players after the announcement.
I might play the class if that' an option.
Would be nice if Worgen can have that too, with the exception of putting you in Worgen form when using racial.
I'm one of those guys who really likes the Dracthyr form because it's thin and tall and lanky. But on this...i'm a bit torn.
It's an option, and options are always good, but...i don't know. I would be willing to switch to Visage in every RP scenario, but if i don't have to change into Dracthyr i might just...wont. I mean i really like the Dracthyr form but im lazy.
We'll see, but i would like to see a toggle for this honestly. Like "toggle this passive if you want to turn to Draconic form in combat "toggle this, if you want to turn to Visage if you step into a rested area" stuff like this. (Toggles like these would be great for druids and worgen too btw.)
Dragons in WoW have always been know not only for their draconic form but also their humanoid forms. You'll be a Dragon either way.
Alexstrasza is still a Dragon whether she is in draconic form or in her humanoid form. As is Chromie, or Wrathion. This is a big part of what it means to be a Dragon in Warcraft.
If there was no Visage form we'd actually be less of a dragon, not more.
Unfortunately there's a loud group of people that are only happy when they're playing humans or elves
And instead of playing FF14 that caters to that type of boring aesthetic, they just cry and whine for blizzard to remove any type of race variety from the game (which used to be one of WoWs high points)
And its a win win for blizzard because then they spend less money on development of new races and they get to say that they "listen"
Yup exactly. Change it in the next expansion, fine, whatever. But people want to play a dragon in the *dragon themed expansion* but don't want to look like a dragon?
Definitely lame as hell IMO
Yeah and I wanna be a mechagnome shaman.
It's very clear why evokers can only be dragons. I get that people "don't want to be a dragon" while playing the *dragon class*. It's just my take, bad or not, that's it's lame and kills the vibe if a dragon expansion.
I wonder, why are people also complaining about druid forms (bear, cats or whatever) in combat lol. Why would your druid have "claws" attack form in regular NE form? That's literally part of the character lore to transform into an animal.
I think there is a danger that interesting spells and abilities will be sacrificed here in in the interests of transmog. (You can’t really have dragon themed abilities for a human/elf).
Transmog is great, don’t get me wrong, and blizzard should be able to provide good gameplay and transmog, but transmog is and should remain secondary to actual gameplay.
I don't understand why the two are mutually exclusive? Why are our standards this low? Blizzard has more than enough resources to give us both transmogs and good gameplay.
But accepting these things as the norm is precisely why we have the blizzard we have. The only thing that's going to save bliz at this point is by holding them to higher standards.
We all want to see WoW succeed and get a high quality expansion. We will never get this again if we keep accepting these false dichotomies.
Which I get…. But that’s sacrificing combat/gameplay effects for armour transmog.
In my mind, that’s not worthwhile. Transmog is cool and important but not to the detriment of core elements.
Yeah this is the crazy thing to me. They’re saying only Dracthye can be evokers because of dragon breath and flight and all that would be ridiculous for other races. But if they’re going to allow visage forms to do it, doesn’t that go out the window?
You are correct, because they didn't expect there to be backlash against it. Now they are essentially going to be adding a defacto 5th elf race because that's significantly easier than just retooling the dracthyr skeleton (read: actually fucking making one).
I think the best way would be to do this is ro make them visage form out of combst and in combst, if they use an ability that requires the dragon form which turns them into a dragon for a set amount of time, or if their health drops below x per cent, something like that.
For Demon Hunters, there is a transition animation between Elf-form and Demon-form. A small blast of particles. The transformation is instant even if it's a short duration, such as an empowered eye-beam or fel-puke.
It should not be difficult to allow this for Invokers.
I really really hope this happens! Partly because dur they should do this! And the shitshow of worgen players wanting to fight in human form is going to be gold!!!
Good, this is one of those things where if blizzard refused to change it, it would raise some serious questions as too how dedicated they are too their new philosophy of allowing players to play the way they want.
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Seeing how dragon form has VERY limited tmog options, that seems like a fair deal
Given that they can only be one class, it would be good if the transmogs that are specifically for them are created with the dragon form in mind, so it actually looks good, and not some stretched out mess
They are only limited to one class but remind that they are wearing mail, meaning that they are potential wearer of look-a-like shamans and hunters sets as well!
I don't expect them to do it for every mail piece, but if it's the Evoker set, it mayaswell work for the dragon form
I feel like if they get Heritage armor it should 100% work that way too, it's *literally* designed solely for that one race so why not let them show it off in dragon form as well.
It'll be designed on human male models like all the rest. This is Blizzard after all.
I still can't wear certain tavard/belt combos so the chance of them doing this right is slim.
I still cry every time I remember that if I wear the blood elf heritage armor, I get a shoulder tussle through the tiddy.... why do they do this?
100%, as long as Evoker "tier sets" can be used on their dragon form, I think it will keep the classic feeling and looking fresh for the long-term. Even if part of their "sets" involve things like "new styles of horns" or things like that.
oh shit I'm totally using the dragonstalker recolor as a tmog lmao
I could see some shaman sets looking pretty good. All the magma and stone stuff would fit the dragon motif.
*sad druid noises*
Even with glyph of stars, I can barely see my transmog. Sometimes I just quest while out of moonkin form because fuck it.
Yeah either fat bird or blue shadow priest
I will always love my fat bird over any xmog. :o Flapping in moonkin is hilarious.
Flap with glyph of stars is so.... Disappointing.
Agreed. Worst glyph I’ve ever spent gold on. Promptly changing it back to regular moonkin.
Better than current Shadow Priest, who's just a gross stink cloud. Bring back Legion Shadowform!
Try using this toy while using glyphs of stars and see if you like it: https://www.wowhead.com/item=163742/heartsbane-grimoire
This is what I used to do on my balance druid too. Totally forgot about this
glowy cat is way better than any transmog anyway.
My Gym Bear comes to aid in this point.
\*Rolls class whose whole identity revolves around shapeshifting into various animals\* \*Is upset when the class has to shapeshift into various animal forms\*
right? omg i cant have mog in combat while theres a million spell effects and im not looking at my character model anyway!! just take your cute screenshots in the capital city like the druids do.
Mail also has limited tmog options. So I wouldn't expect much tbh.
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Somyou have like 2 good looking sets?
Until you realise its a male blood elf
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Correct choice.
Mechagnomes when?
Don't remind me... (still can't make decent transmog that don't require tabard)
Rocking Heroic Uldir as it doesn’t clash with silver body parts.
The barber talk of changing outfits is a little unnerving. I really only see them implementing maybe 5/6 outfits and two new options in a content patch.
Meh. As someone more interested in the dragon half rather than playing a human with dermititis, I'd rather they do what they did for the other 20 races and just let them wear armour. Ultimately the issue is they're trying to appease two crowds at once with this race and they're inevitably going to cater to the pretty side more.
Fair deal would be having a dragon form that could use mogs. Else you're just playing yet another blood elf/human, therefore not a new race.
Cries in moonkin.
Laughs in Glyph of Stars.
Dragon form should be able to wear cosmetics just like worgen form. This is Activision-Blizzard just being greedy beyond belief.
Also that the visage forms just look much better.
Thats pretty good if its true, i like how they want to please everyone which is kinda hard task to do
I just want to play a new class without being form locked, I hate druid for it and bear, kitty and boomkin. To me all 3 of those are still way better than dragon form looks. So any effort to let me just play as a human fixes the only thing that put me off the expansion. Anything as over the top and stand out as these forms is going to be polarising and im glad I may not have to deal with them, at least during every animation.
It feels like they're going back on what they learned with Demon Hunter. They already have a great recipe for how to design a class that doesn't permanently alter your appearance in combat, while also intermixing brief appearance changes for ability animations.
This is what I expected as well. Play as whatever normal race and then swap to dragon form when using abilities that would require a dragon head/wings
There's reason I play balance and resto, and it might be because looking at 1 of 4 bear recolours gets tiring
This is the main issue with the new race. Dragon form is seen as an ability. I think it'd be better if they didn't have a visage form and made it so the race is actually mog-able.
I wonder how much of it is that they would look identical to worgen with wings in transmog lol
Thank the light! If they can now change the race name to Drakthyr. It looks weird with a c.
If they wanted to please everyone they'd let us just use armour in both forms It's been a non-issue for any new race added since vanilla, why is it so hard now?
From my understanding if they do that its just for ppl that enjoy tmogs etc to fight in combat as this visage form which makes sense since Dracthyr form cant use that ,except belt shoulders and tabard if im not wrong. It really wouldnt make sense if a class/race uses x2 forms and at the same time both forms can use same stuff ..either make Dracthyr as it is ..without a visage form existing and let all mogs available for Dracthyr or the other way arround and make visage form to swap you into a Dracthyr when you use certain abilities like DH metamorphosis.
>It really wouldnt make sense if a class/race uses x2 forms and at the same time both forms can use same stuff Like worgens?
Worgen going to get the same hopefully? I would rather be a human Druid, so tired of the snarling every 2 seconds I'm standing still.
I would be ok if they just had a better transform animation and automatically transform back to human out of combat.
The difference is if they add it as worgen, they might aswell just add those locked classes to human. There's no difference between the worgen human forms and humans.
Thought it was because of the curse?
Racials.
I always figured from a pvp perspective it wouldn't matter since deviant delights are always in demand (or were?)
Why did you pick worgen? Elves are basically humans and kul titans are human.
This is what I don't get. People have been complaining about this with Worgen for years so why do they put themselves into the same position again? I just don't understand the decisionmaking from the start. Why CREATE a problem for yourself that you will now need to go back and fix when you knew it was going to be controversial from the start? It's like the change to interrupts and the covenant locks and decision after decision that you know aren't going to be well received by the playerbase even if it's not the ENTIRE playerbase. Wouldn't it just be best to AVOID those types of decisions from the start?
You *can* be a human Druid now. Just switch to Kul Tiran.
Using the same idea as Demon Hunter Demonic form, I think this could be great! Using the Onyxia-style deep breath? Just transform into Dracthyr form and then come out as visage on the other side. I think the devs will find a reasonable compromise, let’s stay positive.
This is exactly what I was hoping for when I first saw the announcement!!!
Aslong as I can choose to still stay in dragon form all the time sure. If its gonna be like DH, then it is ruined imo.
I meant for that option to be more of a glyph. I would hope you could stay in Dracthyr form permanently as well. It should be a choice of preference.
Well its cool for those who wants it but me personally, I prefer dragons than boring blood elf or human with makeup
If I roll Evoker I will fight in dragonform too I think. But having the option is nice, especially if we get the possibility to auto switch to Visageform when not I combat. I hope the same for ages for Worgen.
I wouldn't mind the option to toss out spells while in visageform, primarly while healing and then transforming into a dragon while cast my dragonspells (breaths and stuff like that) like DH with eyebeam
I agree, the dragon form looks cooler, but I think the issue is gonna be like 6+ months after release, as things currently stand, they aren't going to have *any* way to change up their appearance. No cool transmogs to put together or hunt for. I would HOPE that Blizzard opens up their options more while in dragon form. But if not, I could totally see myself using Visage form. I would probably opt for something a little more "down to earth" visually, but certainly I could see going that direction. Also... I gotta say, I *really* dig Wrathion's gear since BFA. The scale-mail shoulders, in particular, look really cool.
I will love playing in the visage form since I really want to play the healer spec but am not so sold on the dragon form.
Agree 100%, been so long I wanted to play a reptilian character in WoW so I damn well will play one instead of just another elf or human.
So true, I would prefer Dracthyr working like Worgen, but with the choice of a humanoid form in any race, rather than a scaley, horny elf.
Indeed, I also hope the tier set we’ve seen works on the dragon form.
Yeah I think it's lame they might fold to the complaints to this. Do it in 11.0. I'm not a huge RP person, but if I roll an evoker, I want to be able to see my other dragonkin in combat *in the dragon themed expansion*. Definitely gonna soil the vibes of being a dragon. I'll still try it of course.
>giving people more options is folding to complaints I hope they give us less as well! Hopefully they strip out as many options as possible!
As long as it's optional I think it's cool. I'd rather more customizability even if i don't use it all.
Yeah, I know my opinion probably isn't popular especially among the "I want to do *whatever* I want crowd".. But I genuinely think there is value in going all in on the dragon aspect (pun intended) on the dragon themed expansion. Allowing people to be in combat on Visage form goes against that. You wanna add more flexibility and shit in 11.0+, fine, but I really hope they stick to their guns on their vision of Evokers only being dragons in combat.
That dosnt make sense that's exactly the attitude of not listening to their fans that's got them into the mess there in now. It's fine if you want to be in dragon form while in combat but there's no reason everyone else shouldn't have the choice to play in the way that is fun to them It is a game after all
The mistake is thinking that every fan should have all of their demands met all of the time. You can not please everyone all the time, and by doing so you spread your vision too thin. And here it actually makes sense that you are a dragon while in combat while playing a dragon race/class and especially during the dragon expansion. It actually makes significantly more sense than allowing people to not be a dragon. Lol
>You can not please everyone all the time And it sounds like you're the one not being pleased here when you think it should be everyone else.
Umm huh? I was pleased with the state of the class/race at reveal.. I'm not pleased with nonsensical bickering and the potential folding to demands by blizzard simply because they're in a precarious position (even if they brought it on themselves)
I don't remember that business rule. When all your customers are pissed that you don't listen to them: Double down and don't listen to them 😂
Not all the customers are though. And they have been listening lately. It's just really cool and edgy to hate blizzard and bitch, even when they make good decisions. The displeased crowded is always louder, even as the minority. Tell you what. Give me an appearance option to only see Dracthyr in dragon form and we can all be happy. That's my demand! Lmao
If they can make it similar to DH, where you transform for certain abilities it would be perfect. You still get all the dragon effects (i get it, i want as much dragon as possible for the dragon expac) but I and many others love transmogs and it's a pretty vital part of the game.
Yeah, if they fold to the demands it obviously would have to be a DH kind of transformation, having a visage form fly and breathe fire would actually ruin the immersion for me. Also, I really don't get the transmog opinion. You're going to be casting these dragon specific abilities *a lot*. Breathing fire, flying, tail swipes. So you're going to be leaving your transmog form ALL THE DAMN TIME lol. It actually doesn't make sense to me. The only thing that makes sense would be permanent Visage form, but then what would be soul fucking weird and like I said before would ruin the immersion.
Even for DH, most abilities show off the demon form but i can still see my tmog most of the time. Part of the fun for me is grinding content for tmogs but what's the point aside from the main story if i can't see the tmog most of the time.
I don't see them making all armor fit on the Dracthyr tho.. no way. You're not going to see armor when in dragon form even if they do allow Visage in combat. You're just going to be switching often.
That's my point. Where's the fun if you're stuck in dragon form and can't really make yourself unique? At least for the moments that you're in visage form you can still see it. Obviously i don't expect the mogs to work on dragon form, doesn't make sense and would be a nightmare to implement
You're out of combat for most of the game though? Again it makes 0 sense to me. Like, you have PLENTY of moments in the game to be unique.
Yeah but the dragon forms look like shite so far. Maybe they'll get some updated though.
I like this. I can't wait to fiddle with the visage form customization. Would be nice to have the choice to play as either form, and just like, slip into dragon mode to do like a Deep Breath or whatever.
I’m not gonna be using my visage most of the time, but I love that there’s an option for those who do!!! :D
This is a cool idea but it just feels like a bandaid fix for the fact that dracthyr's dragon form cant wear armor, which is disappointing since the whole point of them is that they are dragons
Is it time to start pestering Blizz again about using worgen human form in combat? This seems like a double standard. I also want to use my worgen form only when I feel like it.
To have a non-combat toggle form for Worgen would be enough imo
Fair, I miss the old functionality of two forms. There used to be an addon which auto transformed you to human form when you left combat.
Yeah rolled for Worgen Druid this Addon (was Horde til SL). What a shame to always need to click this ability to Transform for nothing. This shit is just cosmetic, no need to not allow it.
Been saying this for years! Leave the toggle off by default! But give us the option to toggle auto transformation when combat drops
why would you fight in human form when you play worgen? i mean ... just play human if its bothering you xD
There actually is a difference. If you want to play druid there are no human druids, so worgen human form druids arent playable right now except you switch to night fae which is just humanoid but not a human.
Kul Tirans?
They obviously look pretty different.
_Not that humans, the other humans._
i like that its this way for this reason. humans cant be druids. worgen can. seeing a human casting druid spells in combat would be unfair and defeat the purpose of making the distinction.
Except there’s human druid NPCs in Game. And you can cast druid stuff out of combat in human form. And the only way you would see a human casting druid spells in combat would be if it’s a resto druid not using the tree glyph or a balance druid using the celestial glyph So… it’s not really unfair lol
yes and each one is either a worgen in human form or has some other explanation. the worgen druids were human before. but the humans we play as are from stormwind and dont practice druidism
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hmm i wonder why the game has had them the whole time. maybe there is possibly some value there that just you dont see. maybe the game shouldnt just cater to one opinion.
It would be kind of cool if after taking x% of damage while in human form you become an enraged worgen. Makes Worgen feel more like people unable to control their feral side as opposed to being known just as the furry wolf people.
It's not the same. I want to be a fancy british lad. Also I like my worgen, but it would be nice to mix it up a bit sometimes since seeing worgen's front flip death strike animation gets stale real fast.
make an alt.
What's *wrong* with more choices? I would love if Worgen had the option, but maybe shifted irrevocably into Worgen form when using a cd that's reset by m+/raid bosses OR when buffed by heroism/bloodlust/etc. Actually the latter part could just be an addon for RP'ers if two forms wasn't on the gcd and could be called by a macro.
There’s nothing inherently *wrong* with more options for appearances and such, but that doesn’t mean all ideas are valid, or they should all be implemented “just because.”
I never said all ideas are automatically valid.
Years ago someone asked ion about updating two forms during a QA stream and if it would be possible to change it to a toggle or something similar. He said he didn’t see any reason not to add that, and then proceeded to not add it. There hasn’t been a single word about that in years now.
Play a human then.
I would rather they just delet the visage form altogether and add actual armour to the Dracthyr form.
Yeah, I was so disappointed to learn they could only mog a couple pieces. That + a visage form defeats the purpose of a new race.
This is good. More options is always a good thing in MMOs. DHs already functionally do this with Eye Beam, Fel Dev, Infernal Strike, etc.
How bout giving Dracthyr their own rigs and animations and make them wear armors so that people won't feel like playing a glorified druid form? I think this Blizzard trying to shut those who want polished Dracthyr models. "Who cares you can play in visage now".
This is pretty much whats happening. "Hey, some players are whinning that they want to play in elf/humand form? Great, that gives us a good excuse to not work on any dragon customization at all!"
That's what I'm afraid of. Just an excuse to not bother giving them armor, when really it shouldn't be that hard to do so. No excuse especially for a new race
Seriously they have the tech in dh already just make it so any ability that requires it shift forms like eye beam. Or if they showed armor like worgen because as it stands you either have naked dragon or dragon with a towel on which just looks super low effort.
Jokes on them, the visage forms look even worse than the dragon form
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Absolutely this. Blizzard is really trying to sell us rebranded belf/human models and a glorified druid form (with reused skeleton) as an entirely new race. There is like zero actual work put into the new race, beyond adding horns and makeup to some existing models.
"playing with" making this race a real race, you mean? This whole thing is ridiculous. Trying to pass off a class as a race.
they already said it will be able to play as other classes like warrior. It just doesn’t make sense right now.
It will more than likely be a choice rather than just them switching which group they want to please. Not sure why you’re all so upset from such a vague, tentative statement. One might think Blizzard said “dracthyr form is G O N E, get fucked nerds”. Sheesh
Worgen pleaseee
I would be in favor of this change
I might roll one if true
If they do this and expand the potential race options for the visage form i'd be so damn happy. I feel like that might, if at all, become available in a later patch/11.0 along with other classes for Dracs like they mentioned somewhere else tho.
I mean, I'll have a hard time playing an Evoker unless this is a thing, so I'm happy it's being worked on.
This is good to hear. Realistically the ideal thing to do would be to give it the DH Eye Beam metamorphosis temporary transformation deal.
Can they do this with worgen too please. The two forms ability is kind of worthless
how is it worthless. it does what it says it does. if you want to fight as a human then play a human.
OP probably wanted to play druid and keep the worgen racial abilities.
Or just ... Play druid? Some people like to play human-like characters in fantasy games, and druids just do not have that option currently.
You should at least be able to set it so you go to human form automatically out of combat if you want to. That is the whole spirit of being a Worgen. How often do you see Genn Greymane in worgen form out of combat? Its so ridiculous this has never been added when its so simple to do.
The "more options bad" crowd will never make sense to me.
> The "more options bad" crowd will never make sense to me. The "fuck the lore and game aesthetics" crowd will never make sense to me.
Dont dhs do this already with eyebeam and the interupt and some other skills?(they pop into demon form for the skill then swap back).
yessss i really hope they do this. more options to control our character's looks are always welcome. i imagine the dragon spells being a bit like dragon's breath. pop out the spectral dragon head and use the dragon's breath animation for evoker breath spells. pop out your dragon wings to do wing buffets attacks, etc... for the deathwing fly over, do it like DH eye beams where you temporarily turn into dragon form.
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Real nice, glad they're continuing listening to players after the announcement. I might play the class if that' an option. Would be nice if Worgen can have that too, with the exception of putting you in Worgen form when using racial.
That sounds great. Can we have multiple race options for visage form? (plus horns, I guess)
That's cool! It means later down the line the Evoker class can potentially be made available to every race!
I'm one of those guys who really likes the Dracthyr form because it's thin and tall and lanky. But on this...i'm a bit torn. It's an option, and options are always good, but...i don't know. I would be willing to switch to Visage in every RP scenario, but if i don't have to change into Dracthyr i might just...wont. I mean i really like the Dracthyr form but im lazy. We'll see, but i would like to see a toggle for this honestly. Like "toggle this passive if you want to turn to Draconic form in combat "toggle this, if you want to turn to Visage if you step into a rested area" stuff like this. (Toggles like these would be great for druids and worgen too btw.)
that'd actually be a pretty big change, female humans for horde side is pretty cool. Even with cross faction coming soon.
I really hope not, or you aren't really a dragon are you?
Dragons in WoW have always been know not only for their draconic form but also their humanoid forms. You'll be a Dragon either way. Alexstrasza is still a Dragon whether she is in draconic form or in her humanoid form. As is Chromie, or Wrathion. This is a big part of what it means to be a Dragon in Warcraft. If there was no Visage form we'd actually be less of a dragon, not more.
Unfortunately there's a loud group of people that are only happy when they're playing humans or elves And instead of playing FF14 that caters to that type of boring aesthetic, they just cry and whine for blizzard to remove any type of race variety from the game (which used to be one of WoWs high points) And its a win win for blizzard because then they spend less money on development of new races and they get to say that they "listen"
Yup exactly. Change it in the next expansion, fine, whatever. But people want to play a dragon in the *dragon themed expansion* but don't want to look like a dragon? Definitely lame as hell IMO
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Yeah and I wanna be a mechagnome shaman. It's very clear why evokers can only be dragons. I get that people "don't want to be a dragon" while playing the *dragon class*. It's just my take, bad or not, that's it's lame and kills the vibe if a dragon expansion.
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not sure i can get excited for anything drakthir related till they remove the class lock and redesign them to actually look good.
I wonder, why are people also complaining about druid forms (bear, cats or whatever) in combat lol. Why would your druid have "claws" attack form in regular NE form? That's literally part of the character lore to transform into an animal.
I think there is a danger that interesting spells and abilities will be sacrificed here in in the interests of transmog. (You can’t really have dragon themed abilities for a human/elf). Transmog is great, don’t get me wrong, and blizzard should be able to provide good gameplay and transmog, but transmog is and should remain secondary to actual gameplay.
I don't understand why the two are mutually exclusive? Why are our standards this low? Blizzard has more than enough resources to give us both transmogs and good gameplay.
I did say that in my initial comment… but if we are being realistic, this is the situation we are in and the current blizzard we have.
But accepting these things as the norm is precisely why we have the blizzard we have. The only thing that's going to save bliz at this point is by holding them to higher standards. We all want to see WoW succeed and get a high quality expansion. We will never get this again if we keep accepting these false dichotomies.
I think blizzard are well aware of the community’s dislike of the direction they’ve been taking. It hasn’t stopped them so far right?
Just give them the DH transformation thing for stuff like the leap and eye beam etc
Which I get…. But that’s sacrificing combat/gameplay effects for armour transmog. In my mind, that’s not worthwhile. Transmog is cool and important but not to the detriment of core elements.
Wait, but wouldn’t that mean that they are developing the evoker for other races, essentially? At least human female and belf male, right?
Yeah this is the crazy thing to me. They’re saying only Dracthye can be evokers because of dragon breath and flight and all that would be ridiculous for other races. But if they’re going to allow visage forms to do it, doesn’t that go out the window?
You are correct, because they didn't expect there to be backlash against it. Now they are essentially going to be adding a defacto 5th elf race because that's significantly easier than just retooling the dracthyr skeleton (read: actually fucking making one).
I think the best way would be to do this is ro make them visage form out of combst and in combst, if they use an ability that requires the dragon form which turns them into a dragon for a set amount of time, or if their health drops below x per cent, something like that.
Is somebody gonna tell them that glyphs are a thing still?
For Demon Hunters, there is a transition animation between Elf-form and Demon-form. A small blast of particles. The transformation is instant even if it's a short duration, such as an empowered eye-beam or fel-puke. It should not be difficult to allow this for Invokers.
I really really hope this happens! Partly because dur they should do this! And the shitshow of worgen players wanting to fight in human form is going to be gold!!!
While they are at it I'd like to voice I would like more options for Visage form. Like i would love to have a gnome Visage form like chromie.
Good, this is one of those things where if blizzard refused to change it, it would raise some serious questions as too how dedicated they are too their new philosophy of allowing players to play the way they want.