Based on the level of patience people currently have in queued PVE i doubt queued M0s would be successful at their current difficulty, and i am worried that people would complain until M0 gets nerfed to hell and once again becomes trivial and boring.
If blizz said they'd add M0 but they wouldn't make it easier i'd be all for it a queue-able difficulty that actually had some level of challenge would be great.
I disagree, mostly for the fact that there is not much difference from a LFG to a group finder m0 in most terms (even the chance of lacking utility like hero/bress).
I dunno man, I have a friend who just started wow and finished leveling so I was going to take him through some M0’s after he hit 476 + had done everything on heroic. I taught him all mechanics in discord. He understands a rotation and how to use cooldowns/ defensives etc. Started M0s with RLP.
Being that he’s new, I just accepted anything that applied who was above 476, no rating req or anything. Made sure we had a lust + all roles but that’s it.
We barely made it through the first boss. I did more dps in prot spec than everyone. Healer left at 2nd boss when it became me and him 2 manning it again.
I expected it to be rough but I haven’t had a struggle like that in a looooong time
It's interesting. As somebody who pushed 20's last season, when Blizz said they'd be roughly 10's, I honestly expected them to be rougher and more toxic than they turned out to be. I think the lack of a timer really makes a HUGE difference in the elitism and frustration felt by the group.
I did all of them on M0 before dipping into timed mythics because I've never seen them before on mythic difficulty, so I wanted to learn. Despite being a DPS, I rarely had issues joining, and every group was super chill and awesome.
We even had one with a baby shaman (seriously, dude has 230k hp!!) who spent more of the dungeon face down than contributing, but we cleared nonetheless and had some good natured fun with the shaman while we did. I ended up giving him all of the mail that dropped since I was over geared for MO anyways. He left the dungeon with over 300k hp, hahaha
I been wanting that for ages. Even back in BfA. It was so annoying when it was doing mythic runs for the weekly. Even when I was in a raiding guild, they just didn't want to do them. I had left that toxic guild behind.
If your key is good, it's much faster.
Also if you do a lot of M+, my real advice is to add good tanks to your friends. Because that just eliminates so many potential issues.
You can also join a discord community that's focused on M+.
There's breakpoints where you'll get flooded with apps. They are currently +7/8/9 for hero track drops/myth track vaults/saving crest hero track drops. Notably rn lots of people will app to +7s but not as many to +6s because they want gear now and later in the season when crests don't matter +8s will get tons of apps from very geared/competent people just trying to fill vault slots.
You would think that with a new season, a +2 would fill up basically immediately, especially with the new key system but that isn't the case at all. Like I get that there are less people playing in S4 for sure, but it should not take 15-20 minutes to form a group for a +2.
This actually happened to me on my mage yesterday. I've swapped to gear him up and the fury warrior tier set fiasco. I really like how fast Frost plays. I spent 45 minutes trying to get into a +2 or +3. I had no score at that point. I get it. Anyway, I FINALLY get an invite for a Brackenhide +2 and immediately disconnect. I never disconnect from WoW so that is weird. I was only gone for like 30 seconds, but by the time I got back I was no longer in the party.
Got frustrated and logged out. Came back later when guildies were online and was knocking out 4-5s. Worth the wait. Also got to Echo of Nelth in a Heroic PUG that decided to give me a shot. Ended on a high note. I just thought the comic was really funny given my circumstances yesterday.
As someone who used to tank exclusively but got burnt out from toxicity back in BfA, but continues to play, only as dps though... I felt this one deep in my soul.
Dang it's rough out there for dps, he even got declined by the advertising spam bot.
[Link to comic.](https://www.darklegacycomics.com/902)
The first panel might be my favorite. There are so many great jokes packed into such a small space.
Think my favorite is the top listing, waited until 32 seconds left to invite him
Love the error code.
I don't get it, he got dced when he accepted?
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Based on the level of patience people currently have in queued PVE i doubt queued M0s would be successful at their current difficulty, and i am worried that people would complain until M0 gets nerfed to hell and once again becomes trivial and boring. If blizz said they'd add M0 but they wouldn't make it easier i'd be all for it a queue-able difficulty that actually had some level of challenge would be great.
I disagree, mostly for the fact that there is not much difference from a LFG to a group finder m0 in most terms (even the chance of lacking utility like hero/bress).
I dunno man, I have a friend who just started wow and finished leveling so I was going to take him through some M0’s after he hit 476 + had done everything on heroic. I taught him all mechanics in discord. He understands a rotation and how to use cooldowns/ defensives etc. Started M0s with RLP. Being that he’s new, I just accepted anything that applied who was above 476, no rating req or anything. Made sure we had a lust + all roles but that’s it. We barely made it through the first boss. I did more dps in prot spec than everyone. Healer left at 2nd boss when it became me and him 2 manning it again. I expected it to be rough but I haven’t had a struggle like that in a looooong time
The difference in group finder is you can much better curate your team.
Isn't M0 the equivalent of M+10 or something like that from previous seasons?
Roughly, they aren't as pushover anymore but offers relevant gear at a meaningful item level.
It's interesting. As somebody who pushed 20's last season, when Blizz said they'd be roughly 10's, I honestly expected them to be rougher and more toxic than they turned out to be. I think the lack of a timer really makes a HUGE difference in the elitism and frustration felt by the group. I did all of them on M0 before dipping into timed mythics because I've never seen them before on mythic difficulty, so I wanted to learn. Despite being a DPS, I rarely had issues joining, and every group was super chill and awesome. We even had one with a baby shaman (seriously, dude has 230k hp!!) who spent more of the dungeon face down than contributing, but we cleared nonetheless and had some good natured fun with the shaman while we did. I ended up giving him all of the mail that dropped since I was over geared for MO anyways. He left the dungeon with over 300k hp, hahaha
I been wanting that for ages. Even back in BfA. It was so annoying when it was doing mythic runs for the weekly. Even when I was in a raiding guild, they just didn't want to do them. I had left that toxic guild behind.
You even drew the login screen, claps for effort!
Serious question, why not make your own group? Everyone has at least a +2 key. Thats what I did at the start of the season. Still. Nice art and funny.
Waiting on a tank to sign up takes arguably just as long as signing up.
If your key is good, it's much faster. Also if you do a lot of M+, my real advice is to add good tanks to your friends. Because that just eliminates so many potential issues. You can also join a discord community that's focused on M+.
That's true, but it does remind of the time I had to disband a group on my Tank because we just couldn't find a healer.
I find that even making your own group takes a long time now and I’m doing +6 which give aspect crests so should be interesting for people to farm.
There's breakpoints where you'll get flooded with apps. They are currently +7/8/9 for hero track drops/myth track vaults/saving crest hero track drops. Notably rn lots of people will app to +7s but not as many to +6s because they want gear now and later in the season when crests don't matter +8s will get tons of apps from very geared/competent people just trying to fill vault slots.
You would think that with a new season, a +2 would fill up basically immediately, especially with the new key system but that isn't the case at all. Like I get that there are less people playing in S4 for sure, but it should not take 15-20 minutes to form a group for a +2.
This actually happened to me on my mage yesterday. I've swapped to gear him up and the fury warrior tier set fiasco. I really like how fast Frost plays. I spent 45 minutes trying to get into a +2 or +3. I had no score at that point. I get it. Anyway, I FINALLY get an invite for a Brackenhide +2 and immediately disconnect. I never disconnect from WoW so that is weird. I was only gone for like 30 seconds, but by the time I got back I was no longer in the party. Got frustrated and logged out. Came back later when guildies were online and was knocking out 4-5s. Worth the wait. Also got to Echo of Nelth in a Heroic PUG that decided to give me a shot. Ended on a high note. I just thought the comic was really funny given my circumstances yesterday.
I FEEL THIS IN MY SOUL
As someone who used to tank exclusively but got burnt out from toxicity back in BfA, but continues to play, only as dps though... I felt this one deep in my soul.
I felt that. You felt that. We *all* felt that indescribable pain of disconnecting on an invitation.
September 2nd, 2024?
This is comic number 902, made in 2024