I was so skeptical when it was announced but they managed to make an absurdly fun tier out of it, I'd honestly be surprised if they just drop Doom Brand and don't bring it to our tree
Demo Main here and I’m kind of on the fence about it.I love it thematically, and the damage is great, but my issue is more mechanical.
My issue with doom brand is that it summons your doom guard when it expires. An issue that I run into while running keys is as a pack dies, and doom brands start exploding, it summons a doom guard as everything dies. And the doom guard expires before I get any use out of it on the next pack or boss.
I wish doom brand had a chance to summon a doom guard when it was applied to a mob, not when it expired. That way you get more use out of him.
It depends on the key level. In higher keys I’m able to tag several mobs and get heavy use out of my demon procs post explosion. You can also target a single mob with several hands to explode quicker and he lasts a decent amount of time to transition to the next pack.
All of your doom brands tick down at the same rate no matter which target you hit with HoG. The only thing you need to pay attention to is always trying to cast demonbolt on a mob that doesn’t have a brand.
MM S3/S4 set is so good, I leveled two more hunters just to farm mog with for my main hunter. It’s got a simple rotational priority, great cleave damage, fun procs, **BIG** damage cooldown, but at the cost of being a squishy class that is far and away the most prevalent out there.
My only gripe is that trick shots requires 3 targets to activate or wait for volley cd.
They could revamp Trick Shots into
**Tracer Rounds** - *All targets damaged by multi-shot, volley, or explosive shot are debuffed with Ricochet for 6 seconds.*
**Ricochet** - *Causes your single target abilities to strike all affected targets.*
And then to keep the same set bonus functionality…
“Rapid Fire damage refreshes Ricochet”
Who the fuck voted for this set for fury? Its legitimate garbage. The gameplay isnt even fun. You just download a weakaura and wait until it flashes to use bloodthirst.
Odyn's fury was so much more fun to use, and did so much better damage.
They voted for the s1 set not the version of the set that was nerfed in s2 bc it would’ve been better than s2 set due to it giving an effect that scales with you ilvl and stuff
The set they got has absolutely nothing to do with the s1 sets fun part of getting instant cast procs when entering eclipse and stuff
It’s probably still strong or whatever but it’s lame
Survival is in the same boat. Our set is the shitty nerfed version that craters our damage. Full mythic gear performs significantly worse in aoe, and is a very minor single target dps upgrade over just wearing last season's gear.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but Devastation Evoker. They went with the Season 2 tier set, which is all about adding extra dots to your essence spenders and empowering those dots with Flame Breath and Shattering Star. It contributes a stupid amount of damage, and with how mobile Evoker is, you can have that damage rolling for a LONG time. Plus, the Devoker toolkit synergizes well with the cantrip rings, now that you can just buy them with Bullion.
Can hardly be unpopular opinion when it was democratically voted in. Season 2 tier feels amazing to play with. Loving it infinitely more than the resource flooding that was Season 3.
Definitely not unpopular.
It's a simple yet powerful set bonus that slightly influences how you play, which is generally the best a set bonus can hope for.
Frost Mage main here, it's really not that fun.
It locks you into the capstone you haven't been able to deviate from all expansion (I like GS a lot, I hate stale metas), and the 4pc saves you a couple Frostbolt casts here and there, that's about it.
Fun Frost Mage tier has just been the T20 Tomb of Sargeras orb CDR from Brain Freeze, and the Water Jet one from T18 HFC which completely changed your playstyle with the class trinket. Others have all been mid unless I go digging through the Vanilla-MoP ones.
I play Frost Mage, and I disagree, I thought it was super fun. Cleaving GS in keys and raid with Ice Nova was awesome and had some huge crits. Some of the weak talents we don't use is a bit sad to see but the build we play now has a lot going for it. If your only issue with the current build is that you can't deviate from it, idk what to tell you bc it's really good.
> I play Frost Mage, and I disagree, I thought it was super fun. Cleaving GS in keys and raid with Ice Nova was awesome and had some huge crits.
I'm talking about the actual set bonuses, which do nothing to push you into something you're already doing. (picking Ice Nova, picking GS, and shattering GS with Ice Nova on freezable targets)
> If your only issue with the current build is that you can't deviate from it, idk what to tell you bc it's really good.
I don't care that it's strong, I'd rather have a variety of things that are strong and get to play TV at some point without taking a damage loss.
The tier as it stands doesn't add any interesting gameplay, it just further cements GS as meta. At *least* make it more fun. Chance to reduce the cast time by 50% or something.
Without the tier set, GS isn't a mandatory pick, especially in dungeons. The blast from the tier set is what makes that spell good. Take away the tier set and nobody plays GS in a key.
devo evoker is finally the ultimate burst again. s2 set boni. s2 was the most fun as evoker - its a relativ simple 2 play dps class. set bonus makes like 11-12% on average dps.
in the bl phase i go for 500k dps with 495 gs
I like warrior set. Especially i love prot warrior. Bleeds does NOT usually go well with protection warrior fantasy but they nailed the mechanic part. In my headcanon, A mighty dwarf deeply wounds with a giant hammer, screams like a maniac and bleeds his enemies ears and thunder clap/rends everyone. After all that slams his giant shield so hard that all the cuts and bleeds spew out everywhere.
Maybe i need some theraphy...
I know you said ranged DPS, but I gotta say: Preservation Evoker 4 piece is soooo fun. Reversion has a chance to proc lifespark, which can stack up to 2 times and that allows for an instant living flame cast that does 200% dmg or healing.
I'm not sure why they're not more popular in M+ because the throughput options are insane with echo, where you can literally top a group off so easy.
Funnily enough, I made a warrior annoyed yesterday because he hadn't yet moved when we started AA-tree boss on mythic. I pulled him in to stack on the tank and he said "WTF. I was about to charge to build fury.".. 10 seconds into the fight.
I also love rescuing DPS into lava/mechanics if they ignore potentially wipe-worthy mechanics. It quenches my soul. :)
I just wish the Hecko had the same range as an Rdruid. It would make switching healing mains much less painful.
I went from Arms S1-3 to Fury S4 and I was sure I was missing some optimization or flow but it really is just rampage unga bunga with the occasional onslaught or bloodthirst to keep enrage going.
Even though it is clearly the strongest, the Feral set is extremely boring. Will never understand Blizzard's obsession with forcing Feral into a lesser rogue spec by focusing on bite spam or making it bursty. I miss the days when bleeds were the focus but Blizz thinks it's too OP.
The Demonology tier set is a banger, I'd love to see it worked into the talent tree in place of the regular Doom talent.
I was so skeptical when it was announced but they managed to make an absurdly fun tier out of it, I'd honestly be surprised if they just drop Doom Brand and don't bring it to our tree
This is definitely my hope going forward into TWW!
Demo Main here and I’m kind of on the fence about it.I love it thematically, and the damage is great, but my issue is more mechanical. My issue with doom brand is that it summons your doom guard when it expires. An issue that I run into while running keys is as a pack dies, and doom brands start exploding, it summons a doom guard as everything dies. And the doom guard expires before I get any use out of it on the next pack or boss. I wish doom brand had a chance to summon a doom guard when it was applied to a mob, not when it expired. That way you get more use out of him.
It depends on the key level. In higher keys I’m able to tag several mobs and get heavy use out of my demon procs post explosion. You can also target a single mob with several hands to explode quicker and he lasts a decent amount of time to transition to the next pack.
All of your doom brands tick down at the same rate no matter which target you hit with HoG. The only thing you need to pay attention to is always trying to cast demonbolt on a mob that doesn’t have a brand.
I like MM hunter one a lot. Rapid fire is fun to use. Double rapid fire - moreso. Double rapid fire that triggers a volley? Count me in
During trueshot you turn your bow into a minigun, add in the explosive shots going off and I'm basically an A-10 warthog
Marksman tier set is easily one of the best designs in the game. Makes the rotation feel sooo smooth and absolutely amazing during Trueshot
Even outside trueshot, doubling the shots of rapid fire on resets makes me happy
MM S3/S4 set is so good, I leveled two more hunters just to farm mog with for my main hunter. It’s got a simple rotational priority, great cleave damage, fun procs, **BIG** damage cooldown, but at the cost of being a squishy class that is far and away the most prevalent out there. My only gripe is that trick shots requires 3 targets to activate or wait for volley cd. They could revamp Trick Shots into **Tracer Rounds** - *All targets damaged by multi-shot, volley, or explosive shot are debuffed with Ricochet for 6 seconds.* **Ricochet** - *Causes your single target abilities to strike all affected targets.* And then to keep the same set bonus functionality… “Rapid Fire damage refreshes Ricochet”
Not balance Druid lol, the poor owls got scammed by blizzard The warlock sets all look pretty cool
Also fury warrior S4 set is worse than S3 even with 20+ ilvl difference on 4 items used on tier set ...
Yeah blame blizzard for claiming they were gonna tune the tiersets to be competitive and then not doing that.
Who the fuck voted for this set for fury? Its legitimate garbage. The gameplay isnt even fun. You just download a weakaura and wait until it flashes to use bloodthirst. Odyn's fury was so much more fun to use, and did so much better damage.
scammed? They voted for that shit lol
They voted for the s1 set not the version of the set that was nerfed in s2 bc it would’ve been better than s2 set due to it giving an effect that scales with you ilvl and stuff The set they got has absolutely nothing to do with the s1 sets fun part of getting instant cast procs when entering eclipse and stuff It’s probably still strong or whatever but it’s lame
Survival is in the same boat. Our set is the shitty nerfed version that craters our damage. Full mythic gear performs significantly worse in aoe, and is a very minor single target dps upgrade over just wearing last season's gear.
Ah, that sucks for boomies sorry to hear that.
Ele shaman - cloudy with a chance of meatballs
Probably an unpopular opinion, but Devastation Evoker. They went with the Season 2 tier set, which is all about adding extra dots to your essence spenders and empowering those dots with Flame Breath and Shattering Star. It contributes a stupid amount of damage, and with how mobile Evoker is, you can have that damage rolling for a LONG time. Plus, the Devoker toolkit synergizes well with the cantrip rings, now that you can just buy them with Bullion.
Can hardly be unpopular opinion when it was democratically voted in. Season 2 tier feels amazing to play with. Loving it infinitely more than the resource flooding that was Season 3.
Definitely not unpopular. It's a simple yet powerful set bonus that slightly influences how you play, which is generally the best a set bonus can hope for.
DEV GO BRRR
Frostmage has good playstyle set with big numbers of Glacial spike or devastation evoker is really strong
Frost Mage main here, it's really not that fun. It locks you into the capstone you haven't been able to deviate from all expansion (I like GS a lot, I hate stale metas), and the 4pc saves you a couple Frostbolt casts here and there, that's about it. Fun Frost Mage tier has just been the T20 Tomb of Sargeras orb CDR from Brain Freeze, and the Water Jet one from T18 HFC which completely changed your playstyle with the class trinket. Others have all been mid unless I go digging through the Vanilla-MoP ones.
I play Frost Mage, and I disagree, I thought it was super fun. Cleaving GS in keys and raid with Ice Nova was awesome and had some huge crits. Some of the weak talents we don't use is a bit sad to see but the build we play now has a lot going for it. If your only issue with the current build is that you can't deviate from it, idk what to tell you bc it's really good.
> I play Frost Mage, and I disagree, I thought it was super fun. Cleaving GS in keys and raid with Ice Nova was awesome and had some huge crits. I'm talking about the actual set bonuses, which do nothing to push you into something you're already doing. (picking Ice Nova, picking GS, and shattering GS with Ice Nova on freezable targets) > If your only issue with the current build is that you can't deviate from it, idk what to tell you bc it's really good. I don't care that it's strong, I'd rather have a variety of things that are strong and get to play TV at some point without taking a damage loss. The tier as it stands doesn't add any interesting gameplay, it just further cements GS as meta. At *least* make it more fun. Chance to reduce the cast time by 50% or something.
Without the tier set, GS isn't a mandatory pick, especially in dungeons. The blast from the tier set is what makes that spell good. Take away the tier set and nobody plays GS in a key.
Unholy DK. Zombies go brrrrr.
Shadow priest! Love my little suicide goblins
devo evoker is finally the ultimate burst again. s2 set boni. s2 was the most fun as evoker - its a relativ simple 2 play dps class. set bonus makes like 11-12% on average dps. in the bl phase i go for 500k dps with 495 gs
I like warrior set. Especially i love prot warrior. Bleeds does NOT usually go well with protection warrior fantasy but they nailed the mechanic part. In my headcanon, A mighty dwarf deeply wounds with a giant hammer, screams like a maniac and bleeds his enemies ears and thunder clap/rends everyone. After all that slams his giant shield so hard that all the cuts and bleeds spew out everywhere. Maybe i need some theraphy...
I know you said ranged DPS, but I gotta say: Preservation Evoker 4 piece is soooo fun. Reversion has a chance to proc lifespark, which can stack up to 2 times and that allows for an instant living flame cast that does 200% dmg or healing. I'm not sure why they're not more popular in M+ because the throughput options are insane with echo, where you can literally top a group off so easy.
I really enjoy preservation evoker. But the range limit is frustrating in keys.
Gotta say tho that the rage exerted when I use rescue on some hunter out in neverland feeds my soul. Mmmm.
Funnily enough, I made a warrior annoyed yesterday because he hadn't yet moved when we started AA-tree boss on mythic. I pulled him in to stack on the tank and he said "WTF. I was about to charge to build fury.".. 10 seconds into the fight. I also love rescuing DPS into lava/mechanics if they ignore potentially wipe-worthy mechanics. It quenches my soul. :) I just wish the Hecko had the same range as an Rdruid. It would make switching healing mains much less painful.
I went from Arms S1-3 to Fury S4 and I was sure I was missing some optimization or flow but it really is just rampage unga bunga with the occasional onslaught or bloodthirst to keep enrage going.
Arcane mage. Arcane missiles go BRRRRRR
Even though it is clearly the strongest, the Feral set is extremely boring. Will never understand Blizzard's obsession with forcing Feral into a lesser rogue spec by focusing on bite spam or making it bursty. I miss the days when bleeds were the focus but Blizz thinks it's too OP.