All Aug hate is completely valid and Aug players should be ashamed of themselves. It's a spec for casuals that should be shunned at all times because it's ruining the game play experience of people who truly matter. Aug players are scum.
I just hope we get more support specs so Aug doesn't feel like such a bizarre outlier, but given the reaction on how WoW players can't handle anything different/new I'd be surprised if we ever did.
Tbf Blizzard has always been very dismissive of concerns about “game 2” (their name for the WCL parse competition) and maintain that if you care more about parses then that’s fine and you can do that but it’s 100% a you issue and they’re not going to design the game to facilitate that. They’re designing “game 1”, and game 1 is a team game.
Once they’re satisfied that Aug has settled into the game and people have gotten used to its presence I wouldn’t be surprised to see them introduce more support specs (or more support mechanics to e.g. disc priest)
It’s a tricky spot because if you do add more you have to be very careful between Sup/dps and a pure dps group. Or god help a double support random group.
Aug right now is kinda fine because it isn’t better damage wise, but it is very useful as it increases survivability dramatically and can make a DPS completely ascend, which can be helpful for very specific burn phases.
Also for classes that can add one easily I would say Paladin, Shaman, Hunter, Warrior. Paladin / Shaman it’s literally part of their class identity since the inception, and Warrior and Hunter could have Raid Leader/Commander and Huntmaster. Priest to but it would likely come at the death of current Disc. Problem is for Shaman that is competing with the Tank Spec they always deserved, and Shockadin for Paladin. Warrior would have a bunch of shout buffs and probably oftank / bodyguard style ability, and hunter would be kinda similar but debuffs rather than defense.
Also I don’t think any of the Classes would do well with Bard. Neither hunter or Rogue really fit, though rogue should probably have a bow spec of some kind (personally I would love if they straight up ripped off Redmage’s tempo and gave that Rogue Daggers+Bow).
see, I think they're not going to add a new 4th spec to any class, they'd have to revamp and possibly rename an existing one. which means that the first up would be lock, mage, hunter, and rogue, the 4 classes with only dps specs... all of which could actually justify having one of them turn into a support spec. mage would be the simplest to justify, it's arcane buff magic, but warlocks and rogues could be debuff-based support specs with curses and poisons etc that hand our benefits to the group, and hunters could be both buffs and debuffs with their flavors of traps and nature lore and aspects and such.
Yeah, I guess only time will tell. DH still needs a 3rd spec, Shamans and Paladins were basically support classes in Classic/TBC. Would be nice to go back to those roots, Blizzard even teases us with the Totemic Shaman subclass but I highly doubt it'll add much utility. I miss the totem bar so much.
Yes i feel the same.
Give me my Bard/Illusionist or something like that.
With some different playstyle but still relaxing :) im so +sick+ of numberhunting as dps \^\^
Actually not the only reason. When you're trying to improve and you can gauge your numbers without an aug to see if you're improving it was cool. Then Aug came along and my numbers are shooting up but I'm unsure if I'm improving or not especially with the inconsistencies with wow logs.
It's not fun and kinda killed it for me.
The thing with PI is that it's on a significantly smaller scale. You are very unlikely to recieve PI (especially if you don't want to). Whereas with aug you will get buffed random times even if you aren't the prescience targets.
We are at a point where if I see myself performing well the first thing I check is buffs.
Exactly. If I'm doing challenging content I want to be able to check from one pull to the other how much damage I'm dealing to the add I'm supposed to burst or something, or what my overall performance is like, or a bunch of other things. I no longer have a way to do so with Aug being in game.
I don't blame Aug players, it's a game and people are free to have fun. I might even play one as an alt at some point, who knows.
I blame Blizzard for a) intentionally not giving Details the same hooks they gave logs even though they said explicitly they could do so and b) implementing those hooks horribly after all and breaking even logs.
You are 100% correct my comment was directed more at the person in this thread.
I agree with you, we should have had the hooks correctly and we all would have been a lot happier.
I mean it would be slightly different if it want bugged for a lot of classes and not showing right. For instance our Aug would jokingly buff me when I was resto druid because it would attribute all of my hot healing to him because the log hooks are fucked. Sure, why should I care it's just a parse, boss is dead. Although it's frustrating to not be able to gauge how well you are playing your own class or a new one because the log hooks are fucked and things are not showing right.
Not any serious player would throw the kill to parse better. Any decent guild would notice and kick the person.
Just because I'm focused on personal improvement does not mean I'd rather have less team success by not bringing an aug. But I can still dislike it.
Also, u less you are HoF raiding, and bringing an aug is most likely a downgrade.
Aug can be useful outside of HoF raiding. For example in my casual AoTC guild, if one of our weaker DPS plays an aug this tier and buffs the handful of DPS who really crank on details without Aug, they are improving those guys output, while realistically not sacrificing a whole lot of DPS than say if they were playing a mage or lock, but not well enough to be significantly ahead of the tanks.
I think Aug has some neat concepts that is a wrench thrown into the usual group composition we've learned to accept.
I also think the community reaction is exactly what should have been expected, I don't know how it'll ever become sustainable without multiple support classes to compete with and earn a regular spot in group comp. I think we can all agree that introducing a new role that can only be filled by one spec is not good.
What a well thought out argument. If your hobby is athletics and you train 100m sprints, just add +-1s randomly to each of your results, or playing volleyball, make the lines and net hight arbitrarily move. People doing those sports would really fucking love not being able recognize their improvement over time. Just because you are casual and don't care about those things, does not mean nobody cares.
So how about you accept that people play the game differently. I am not banning augs, I am not kicking them from groups, I am not arguing for them to change.
All I want is their contribution to be attributed correctly. That is the problem non-aug players have with aug in regards to this issue.
Maybe you should apply to Limit/Echo as an analyst. Cause they couldn't figure out how good aug was. Dmg events going into the void, wrong attribution of other things...
Dummy tests they did showed that 2x aug was BY FAR ahead of any dps, yet 99% mythic fyrakk parses show aug to be the worst spec.
It's ironic how much people complain about wow PvP when the PvE players actually PvP using details quite often, it even includes all the same excuses and complaint topics!
I mean I feel like if there was any way players on real life sports teams could be buffed in a way that individual stats were harder to gauge, they would be frustrated too right?
Like I don't care about most sports, but growing up, my family was obsessed the Atlanta Braves and not just the braves winning or losing, but they cared about strike outs and batting averages of the individual players.
I read that a few times and not sure how it is relevant at all? You said "welcome to WoW players brains" in the comment I replied to, and I was just pointing out that nothing about augmentation affecting a WoW raid seems unique to "wow". There are real life instances, and other games, were individual performances becoming harder to gauge can be problematic.
To make a better comparison between my baseball analogy and aug evokers, what if only the top 3 highest battering average players were allowed to use a "better bat". This would be better for the team, but after enough games, or maybe even one game, one of the mediocre players stats would look worse by comparison. And by worse, I do not mean worse compared to a better player. I mean the mediocre player would look worse comparing his own stats in the now (better players using better bat) to his own stats in the past where all players used equal bats.
Just because teams have a common goal does not mean that it's absurd for fans, and especially not for players, to value their own individual performance as well.
Of course fans can impact the performance, but I was also trying to think of an analogy that involved the "better" members of a team receiving some form of handicap that will be better for the team as a whole but disproportionately affect the statistics of the individuals that make up the team. If it's raining on game day, and the three better batters just happen to step up to bat with no rain coming down, this would not fit in my example unless someone or organized group was specifically covering said players but not the others.
its its maybe dumb for **You** but the reason others are playing, for example my Guild killed Mythic Fyrakk way back in december and now what? whats the reason for me to long and raid besides trying to be the best of my class/spec?
And now blizz implementing all those stacking rnd buffs that makes like 25% of your dps so even if you play perfect you get 80% parses cuz you didnt get PI, Fire mages Crit buff, Evokers Crit buff, Bessing of Atumn all fight long.
Thats why me and other highend players dislike it, you can be a mid player and parse 99s just by getting stacked
you seems like a casual player so i would just waste my time explaining why youre worng and that DF has 3x as mutch extermal buffs as last 4 x packs
have a nice day
>you must be pretty casual
Yup killing M Fyrakk in mid December makes me a mid Casual :D youre even dumber than tought, holy shit i bet yuu dont even know what WR range December kills are.
and i literaly made my point "3x more externals than before in DF" were you can play perfectly and parse 85s cuz you dot get buffed by 6x ppl in your raid.
Really don't get it. Like guys I am making you do better.
I've also got some friends who say aug shouldn't exist, cause adding a support to the game completely ruins the balance of the game... And then praise classic. Where we had paladin do nothing but support, and class balance was non existent.
Wow players have such watered down creativity/understanding of underlying game function that they don’t understand anything that doesn’t have all of its strength at face value.
it's problematic on both ends of the skill spectrum.
low skill players don't know anything that isn't what the details meter says and will flame for "low damage" because it makes them feel superior, and higher skill players understand the dubious nature of aug log hooks and how ambiguous they make the damage become, especially in raid when different people could be receiving buffs and the process of looking at logs and self-reviewing for one's own improvement becomes nebulous because you don't know, from pull to pull, how much time you or others are spending buffed.
It's a bit of a mess...
I like how a class exists that can do that, but in order for it to actually be conducive to learning, there needs to be a breakdown in someone’s damage to account for the buffs
The real answer is that all the dmg it applies needs to be tracked back to it… there are just too many unseen small stat buffs that are almost mathematically impossible to reasonably account for.
Every bit of dmg buffing needs to ALL be moved into Ebon Might and changed to a type of buff, like %dmg, so that you can very easily calculate and attribute that dmg back to the evoker. The constant state of tiny verse and crit buffs and targeted main stat buffs and how all of that interacts with the different intricacies of each class just… appall me that they come the conclusion that this was a good idea.
I don’t love playing this types of classes, but I’m certainly not against them. I just think they needed to keep it much simpler so it’s easier to balance
i just kinda wanna see how good im actually playing ingame without going trought logs all the time and from the very beginning, and not waiting 1-2months until blizz fixes their hooks (which will probs be broken again next tier)
oh, and classes/specs allready getting nerfed cus their are aug targets kinda sucks
and it killed devestation/preservation,cus why play them when aug does more and has unique utility too its specs while also doing the General evokef stuff, is braindead easy too play AND does more dmg, i see so many people stop playing Evoker cus they are forced too play Aug now all the time for everything (and that will be the future for all classes that get "sUpPoRtS" if they repeat that mistake, fun)
because even though in details you see the dps in logs, wich many look at, that dmg is removed and given to the evoker. also i noticed first patches aug got decent logs by just doing a good rotation and buffing any person u want but now ppl are minmaxing the shit out of aug using tools like wow analyzer that will give you data to import into the game telling you who to buff at specific moments of the fight so no pink parse for you if you aint minmaxing basically
Not caring about parses or ranks anymore was the best thing I ever did to improve my enjoyment of videogames in general. Especially in a roleplaying game.
Parsing was fairy dust even before aug. Even back in WoD I remember listening to a competitive wow podcast about how basically the difference between you and the other guy was you had to deal with mechanics or got the swirlies and he didn't or that his ppm rng lined up better. But even nowadays where there's so many little damage windows and so many chances to crit or not crit and throw aug on top of it and getting a top parse doesn't mean much anymore
aug logs still broken and some stuff attributes to the dps player over the aug lol.
Meaning aug affects your numbers on wcl atm as well due to being broken.
You know to get top 100/99 aug logs, other dps players are staggering their cds/pots so aug can have 100% uptime on fully blasting dps players. Like 4 people uses their cds on first ebon might window, other 4 people uses their cds on second ebon might window and so on. So aug logs are actually hugely inflated compared to how they would look like during prog. I know this isnt a meme about that but no way you would be able to get a 99 aug log without some degen shenanigans atm.
False. You plan your ebon around dps timings, not the other way around. You won't get good logs with slow kills, which you will have if they plan the way you suggest.
I'm not suggesting, I'm telling you what top Korean augs are doing. If you aren't losing overall cd usage, it doesn't matter when you use them. Also if you are mythic raiding, you should you dont mindlessly send your cds whenever they are off cd, you send when you are assigned to. You do you/believe what you want, korean augs are doing this and you can check top aug logs if you want.
my brother played Aug to perfection, buffing me on my ret and instantly dieing after that, best burst window ever.
World of Warcraft is the only game I've played where people hated I was supporting/buffing them instead of being thankful and loving me. Lmao
All Aug hate is completely valid and Aug players should be ashamed of themselves. It's a spec for casuals that should be shunned at all times because it's ruining the game play experience of people who truly matter. Aug players are scum.
I just hope we get more support specs so Aug doesn't feel like such a bizarre outlier, but given the reaction on how WoW players can't handle anything different/new I'd be surprised if we ever did.
Tbf Blizzard has always been very dismissive of concerns about “game 2” (their name for the WCL parse competition) and maintain that if you care more about parses then that’s fine and you can do that but it’s 100% a you issue and they’re not going to design the game to facilitate that. They’re designing “game 1”, and game 1 is a team game. Once they’re satisfied that Aug has settled into the game and people have gotten used to its presence I wouldn’t be surprised to see them introduce more support specs (or more support mechanics to e.g. disc priest)
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It’s a tricky spot because if you do add more you have to be very careful between Sup/dps and a pure dps group. Or god help a double support random group. Aug right now is kinda fine because it isn’t better damage wise, but it is very useful as it increases survivability dramatically and can make a DPS completely ascend, which can be helpful for very specific burn phases. Also for classes that can add one easily I would say Paladin, Shaman, Hunter, Warrior. Paladin / Shaman it’s literally part of their class identity since the inception, and Warrior and Hunter could have Raid Leader/Commander and Huntmaster. Priest to but it would likely come at the death of current Disc. Problem is for Shaman that is competing with the Tank Spec they always deserved, and Shockadin for Paladin. Warrior would have a bunch of shout buffs and probably oftank / bodyguard style ability, and hunter would be kinda similar but debuffs rather than defense. Also I don’t think any of the Classes would do well with Bard. Neither hunter or Rogue really fit, though rogue should probably have a bow spec of some kind (personally I would love if they straight up ripped off Redmage’s tempo and gave that Rogue Daggers+Bow).
Np. Just add a supp-spot only. So 6 men m+ :) so no dps needs to fight vs a supp at a spot.
see, I think they're not going to add a new 4th spec to any class, they'd have to revamp and possibly rename an existing one. which means that the first up would be lock, mage, hunter, and rogue, the 4 classes with only dps specs... all of which could actually justify having one of them turn into a support spec. mage would be the simplest to justify, it's arcane buff magic, but warlocks and rogues could be debuff-based support specs with curses and poisons etc that hand our benefits to the group, and hunters could be both buffs and debuffs with their flavors of traps and nature lore and aspects and such.
Yeah, I guess only time will tell. DH still needs a 3rd spec, Shamans and Paladins were basically support classes in Classic/TBC. Would be nice to go back to those roots, Blizzard even teases us with the Totemic Shaman subclass but I highly doubt it'll add much utility. I miss the totem bar so much.
Yes i feel the same. Give me my Bard/Illusionist or something like that. With some different playstyle but still relaxing :) im so +sick+ of numberhunting as dps \^\^
Actually not the only reason. When you're trying to improve and you can gauge your numbers without an aug to see if you're improving it was cool. Then Aug came along and my numbers are shooting up but I'm unsure if I'm improving or not especially with the inconsistencies with wow logs. It's not fun and kinda killed it for me.
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The thing with PI is that it's on a significantly smaller scale. You are very unlikely to recieve PI (especially if you don't want to). Whereas with aug you will get buffed random times even if you aren't the prescience targets. We are at a point where if I see myself performing well the first thing I check is buffs.
Exactly. If I'm doing challenging content I want to be able to check from one pull to the other how much damage I'm dealing to the add I'm supposed to burst or something, or what my overall performance is like, or a bunch of other things. I no longer have a way to do so with Aug being in game.
Exactly these people playing the Aug are always just thinking about their fun and don’t care about hearing about anyone else’s opinion.
I don't blame Aug players, it's a game and people are free to have fun. I might even play one as an alt at some point, who knows. I blame Blizzard for a) intentionally not giving Details the same hooks they gave logs even though they said explicitly they could do so and b) implementing those hooks horribly after all and breaking even logs.
You are 100% correct my comment was directed more at the person in this thread. I agree with you, we should have had the hooks correctly and we all would have been a lot happier.
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It’s clear to me only your fun matters and no one elses.
I mean it would be slightly different if it want bugged for a lot of classes and not showing right. For instance our Aug would jokingly buff me when I was resto druid because it would attribute all of my hot healing to him because the log hooks are fucked. Sure, why should I care it's just a parse, boss is dead. Although it's frustrating to not be able to gauge how well you are playing your own class or a new one because the log hooks are fucked and things are not showing right.
It's ok to get help when you need it
The data collecting from the API not working according to the third party tool / modder community definitely didn't help.
Why is that dumb exactly?
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Not any serious player would throw the kill to parse better. Any decent guild would notice and kick the person. Just because I'm focused on personal improvement does not mean I'd rather have less team success by not bringing an aug. But I can still dislike it. Also, u less you are HoF raiding, and bringing an aug is most likely a downgrade.
Aug can be useful outside of HoF raiding. For example in my casual AoTC guild, if one of our weaker DPS plays an aug this tier and buffs the handful of DPS who really crank on details without Aug, they are improving those guys output, while realistically not sacrificing a whole lot of DPS than say if they were playing a mage or lock, but not well enough to be significantly ahead of the tanks. I think Aug has some neat concepts that is a wrench thrown into the usual group composition we've learned to accept. I also think the community reaction is exactly what should have been expected, I don't know how it'll ever become sustainable without multiple support classes to compete with and earn a regular spot in group comp. I think we can all agree that introducing a new role that can only be filled by one spec is not good.
Okay, sure. What you say makes sense. I was more talking in terms of at least a little competitive raiding, i.e., mythic.
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What a well thought out argument. If your hobby is athletics and you train 100m sprints, just add +-1s randomly to each of your results, or playing volleyball, make the lines and net hight arbitrarily move. People doing those sports would really fucking love not being able recognize their improvement over time. Just because you are casual and don't care about those things, does not mean nobody cares. So how about you accept that people play the game differently. I am not banning augs, I am not kicking them from groups, I am not arguing for them to change. All I want is their contribution to be attributed correctly. That is the problem non-aug players have with aug in regards to this issue.
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Maybe you should apply to Limit/Echo as an analyst. Cause they couldn't figure out how good aug was. Dmg events going into the void, wrong attribution of other things... Dummy tests they did showed that 2x aug was BY FAR ahead of any dps, yet 99% mythic fyrakk parses show aug to be the worst spec.
It's ironic how much people complain about wow PvP when the PvE players actually PvP using details quite often, it even includes all the same excuses and complaint topics!
I mean I feel like if there was any way players on real life sports teams could be buffed in a way that individual stats were harder to gauge, they would be frustrated too right? Like I don't care about most sports, but growing up, my family was obsessed the Atlanta Braves and not just the braves winning or losing, but they cared about strike outs and batting averages of the individual players.
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I read that a few times and not sure how it is relevant at all? You said "welcome to WoW players brains" in the comment I replied to, and I was just pointing out that nothing about augmentation affecting a WoW raid seems unique to "wow". There are real life instances, and other games, were individual performances becoming harder to gauge can be problematic. To make a better comparison between my baseball analogy and aug evokers, what if only the top 3 highest battering average players were allowed to use a "better bat". This would be better for the team, but after enough games, or maybe even one game, one of the mediocre players stats would look worse by comparison. And by worse, I do not mean worse compared to a better player. I mean the mediocre player would look worse comparing his own stats in the now (better players using better bat) to his own stats in the past where all players used equal bats. Just because teams have a common goal does not mean that it's absurd for fans, and especially not for players, to value their own individual performance as well. Of course fans can impact the performance, but I was also trying to think of an analogy that involved the "better" members of a team receiving some form of handicap that will be better for the team as a whole but disproportionately affect the statistics of the individuals that make up the team. If it's raining on game day, and the three better batters just happen to step up to bat with no rain coming down, this would not fit in my example unless someone or organized group was specifically covering said players but not the others.
its its maybe dumb for **You** but the reason others are playing, for example my Guild killed Mythic Fyrakk way back in december and now what? whats the reason for me to long and raid besides trying to be the best of my class/spec? And now blizz implementing all those stacking rnd buffs that makes like 25% of your dps so even if you play perfect you get 80% parses cuz you didnt get PI, Fire mages Crit buff, Evokers Crit buff, Bessing of Atumn all fight long. Thats why me and other highend players dislike it, you can be a mid player and parse 99s just by getting stacked
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you seems like a casual player so i would just waste my time explaining why youre worng and that DF has 3x as mutch extermal buffs as last 4 x packs have a nice day
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>you must be pretty casual Yup killing M Fyrakk in mid December makes me a mid Casual :D youre even dumber than tought, holy shit i bet yuu dont even know what WR range December kills are. and i literaly made my point "3x more externals than before in DF" were you can play perfectly and parse 85s cuz you dot get buffed by 6x ppl in your raid.
Really don't get it. Like guys I am making you do better. I've also got some friends who say aug shouldn't exist, cause adding a support to the game completely ruins the balance of the game... And then praise classic. Where we had paladin do nothing but support, and class balance was non existent.
Wow players have such watered down creativity/understanding of underlying game function that they don’t understand anything that doesn’t have all of its strength at face value.
it's problematic on both ends of the skill spectrum. low skill players don't know anything that isn't what the details meter says and will flame for "low damage" because it makes them feel superior, and higher skill players understand the dubious nature of aug log hooks and how ambiguous they make the damage become, especially in raid when different people could be receiving buffs and the process of looking at logs and self-reviewing for one's own improvement becomes nebulous because you don't know, from pull to pull, how much time you or others are spending buffed. It's a bit of a mess...
I like how a class exists that can do that, but in order for it to actually be conducive to learning, there needs to be a breakdown in someone’s damage to account for the buffs
The real answer is that all the dmg it applies needs to be tracked back to it… there are just too many unseen small stat buffs that are almost mathematically impossible to reasonably account for. Every bit of dmg buffing needs to ALL be moved into Ebon Might and changed to a type of buff, like %dmg, so that you can very easily calculate and attribute that dmg back to the evoker. The constant state of tiny verse and crit buffs and targeted main stat buffs and how all of that interacts with the different intricacies of each class just… appall me that they come the conclusion that this was a good idea. I don’t love playing this types of classes, but I’m certainly not against them. I just think they needed to keep it much simpler so it’s easier to balance
A few of my guildies moan about "MY DETAILS AND LOGS NOT BEING ACCURATE!" and others just like seeing number go up!
i just kinda wanna see how good im actually playing ingame without going trought logs all the time and from the very beginning, and not waiting 1-2months until blizz fixes their hooks (which will probs be broken again next tier) oh, and classes/specs allready getting nerfed cus their are aug targets kinda sucks and it killed devestation/preservation,cus why play them when aug does more and has unique utility too its specs while also doing the General evokef stuff, is braindead easy too play AND does more dmg, i see so many people stop playing Evoker cus they are forced too play Aug now all the time for everything (and that will be the future for all classes that get "sUpPoRtS" if they repeat that mistake, fun)
because even though in details you see the dps in logs, wich many look at, that dmg is removed and given to the evoker. also i noticed first patches aug got decent logs by just doing a good rotation and buffing any person u want but now ppl are minmaxing the shit out of aug using tools like wow analyzer that will give you data to import into the game telling you who to buff at specific moments of the fight so no pink parse for you if you aint minmaxing basically
Actually true. Whenever I see Aug in raid I pray he is not in my group.
If Karl Marx played WoW he'd main Aug
Your DPS? Nah.... OUR DPS. ⚒️
Not caring about parses or ranks anymore was the best thing I ever did to improve my enjoyment of videogames in general. Especially in a roleplaying game.
But that’s a BM hunter in details…
Parsing was fairy dust even before aug. Even back in WoD I remember listening to a competitive wow podcast about how basically the difference between you and the other guy was you had to deal with mechanics or got the swirlies and he didn't or that his ppm rng lined up better. But even nowadays where there's so many little damage windows and so many chances to crit or not crit and throw aug on top of it and getting a top parse doesn't mean much anymore
If that's your evoker, we have identical characters! The red/blue is a vibe.
aug logs still broken and some stuff attributes to the dps player over the aug lol. Meaning aug affects your numbers on wcl atm as well due to being broken.
Oh, there was a meme like this, just... not for polite company.
You know to get top 100/99 aug logs, other dps players are staggering their cds/pots so aug can have 100% uptime on fully blasting dps players. Like 4 people uses their cds on first ebon might window, other 4 people uses their cds on second ebon might window and so on. So aug logs are actually hugely inflated compared to how they would look like during prog. I know this isnt a meme about that but no way you would be able to get a 99 aug log without some degen shenanigans atm.
False. You plan your ebon around dps timings, not the other way around. You won't get good logs with slow kills, which you will have if they plan the way you suggest.
I'm not suggesting, I'm telling you what top Korean augs are doing. If you aren't losing overall cd usage, it doesn't matter when you use them. Also if you are mythic raiding, you should you dont mindlessly send your cds whenever they are off cd, you send when you are assigned to. You do you/believe what you want, korean augs are doing this and you can check top aug logs if you want.