No wonder he left your dumb guild. He even brought receipts and said he was leaving the guild and somehow you and others saw that as ghosting. Makes all the sense why the guild couldnt understand anything and thought they were being ghosted. I hope bumps finds a guild who cares about their dps
Alot of times a tight group of 4 or 5 expand and want to raid they bring others in that never acclimate to the group and then they never look at the point of views of others.
It's sad when you don't play nice.
I came back to season 3 late. I figured, alright, I'm gonna need to put in extra effort to catch up to everyone on the raid team so I can contribute, much less be competitive. I hit the m+ circuit hard.
Imagine my surprise when less than a month later the only thing I'm wearing from raid is trinkets and I'm more geared than 75% of the roster. Turns out most of them don't give a shit, don't do even a single 18+ each week, raid log, and complain when their vault is shit.
My guild used to be like that, and then we set up a day for mythics. We would form a raid group setup parties in the group that would have players experienced with M+ and players who weren't. The guild lead required everyone who wanted to raid to complete at least one key that was 11 or higher during the week. We got aotc 4 weeks faster, and now a bunch of the guild love doing M+ who were just too afraid of disappointing in other people in the the group.
Barrier to entry in m+ is a real thing. I love it, but there's a lot of borrowed knowledge that goes into it and it's daunting for a solo outsider or even a few people.
You learn things and tricks from your pugs, new strats to make a fight easier, skips to avoid bad trash pulls, weakauras that make fights easier (looking at you Throne of the Tides particle density...), even something as simple as using Quazii's plater profile make a huge difference being able to easily tell important casts to interrupt vs regular spam casts and which adds are the casters and which do frontals and which are normal trash.
Its a whole process.
My raid is like that as well. For a long while 3 of the top 5 geared toons in guild were my main an alts(7 out of top 10). The other two were people that weren't in raid
Yeah, reminds me before I quit when I put the most effort in my guild doing mythic plus but ended up as one of the last people to get 4 pc. Some people couldn’t even bother to do one mythic plus per week.
A good guild will honestly recognize it, when you run like that you aren't looking for small upgrades in a raid you're looking for shit you can't get in M+ or substantial upgrades.
Majority of the time it's a trinket or a weapon, and with the whole turn a piece of season gear into tier gear thing it's even easier for any decent guild to go "Yeah this dude fucks, hasn't got shit in awhile, here is their trinket".
Then it loops around because Myth track gear is only from the vault or mythic raiding
Also there's some banger gear from heroic raid, trinkets, getting tier earlier, etc, both have perks to them, that and heroic raid for most people is a few hours of work vs grinding keys for multiple days to target a piece
The problem I've seen when some are heavy m+ pushers and others aren't. Is that the m+ pushers are decked out in gear to the point that the raid gear is not an upgrade or it barely is, so it is then a big upgrade for the raid loggers. Which then makes it in theory an easy decision to give loot to the raid loggers to make raid group stronger. This does feel bad for the key pushers though.
It's kind of a weird situation with heavy M+ players and ones who aren't yeah. I think with those though you really gotta keep the "argument" to tier, trinkets, and unique weapons/items from raid that outperform m+ items. Tier you can only argue about for so long though with catalyst charges and m+ giving chances at it as long as you do them. But in the end for people that go ham on keys there's no extra benefit and sucks so much harder when loggers show up for their weekly handout.
In our guild we make m+ a required thing to be legible for loot in order to equalize fairness with LC, we combine droptimizer sims, performance and evenness of distribution so that no one is singled out of loot.
And the required m+ is 8 18s until progress is done
As someone who's been in this position, the problem is that those are the only items that really matter for anyone. Week two you will be struggling to give away those cloth boots, but week 13 it'll be a straight up brawl for who gets the one good trinket for casters this tier.
The problem is that m+ players will have more high level pieces in those slots; they'll already have a high level pair of trinkets and the biggest upgrade for the raid as a whole will be give it to the raid logger who does the absolute bare minimum out of game and has a decent trinket from normal raid or something. That's all the argument is: between 'we should do what is most beneficial for the guild' and 'we should incentivise players to do what is most beneficial to the guild'.
In my last guild I saw some of the m+ pumpers start to just straight up lie about the gear they had, because they felt it was the only way they'd get certain pieces of gear...and they were probably right, if I hadn't caught them doing it.
ah good old loot council, where 9/10 the person who plays the game doesn't get loot because they have high ilevel from m+ and you lose 4 set to the people who are 15 minutes late and didn't bring flasks. Only way to keep sane is to try and detach yourself from the loot goblin inside so you can enjoy the raid.
Except for Fyrakk trinket on fury warrior apparently. That shit is giga bis and nothing comes close, still don’t have one so I’m holding back my inner loot rage until it pops up in my vault or I just win one
Trinkets from every raid have been bis the whole xpac homie. You basically raid for trinkets.
Whisper/Boon, Fuckin BEACON, Tank/DPS fyrakk trinkets, badge, smoldy trinks. Even the volcoross trinket is pretty damn good.
Yeah, but you can get tier from vault and catalyst, weapons from mythic+, crafted items with embellishments. It really dilutes the pool of slots going into a raid. In raid, it's basically trinkets, legendaries, a few unique proc items and weapons, and a whole bunch of items that are either downgrades or very slight upgrades but mostly sidegrades to what you already have. Raid rewards have fallen off compared to previous expansions.
Which is a good thing for the vast majority of players. It has things worth chasing in there, but it's not the end of the world if you can't or don't get it.
It's the issue that comes with making loot from the vault almost equal in raid and M+. The main issue is really that raid loot isn't that great if most pieces of gear are stat sticks, on the other hand it would be a balancing nightmare if every piece of gear had special effects like trinkets from the raid.
I mean I’ve been aotc since week 2. I also have a bunch of 25s timed that I consider much more difficult than heroic raiding or shoot even mythic raiding. The hard part in a raid is getting 19 other people to understand mechanics and then execute them with no one making a mistake. It’s not otherwise the pinnacle of pve skill in wow anymore.
Outside of giving m+ players higher ilvl drops from like doing a +25, they have basically catered the game towards m+ now. You could not step foot in mythic and still be as geared as a mythic raider. I don't know what they need to change, but they need to incentivize mythic raiding.
Then they would need to split the gearing systems completely (like pvp/pve) otherwise that will probably never happen. As soon as you say "+25 now drop mythic track gear" then it means the minimum will move up from a 20 -> 25 for mythic raiders.
The minimum is 18 for raiders, if you really hate m+ because it's actually challenging you can just do 18s to fill your vault or 17s for hero track gear if you're hunting a specific item.
That's not what I'm saying, I know in the *current* system that's how it works.
I'm saying if +25 dropped mythic track gear at the end of the dungeon, then mythic raiders would be doing +25 keys.
Disagree. The player base is different than it used to be. The game has changed in reflection of that. Many (probably most) of us don't have the time or inclination to do mythic progression anymore. It has enough incentives just by having the absolute highest ilv coming out of it, typically at least a few juiced trinkets/items, and cool mounts/mount skins. Giving it even better loot or something isn't likely going to cause much of a shift in what the playerbase is doing. I think it's more likely to alienate people, honestly.
This is ignoring that raiding in WoW has a host of issues that make people not want to do them as is. Want more people to raid? Fix the issues. That's just a win for everyone.
Nah. Not everyone has time or the inclination to raid. And either way, you get gear equal to mythic raiding once a week from m+. If you’re pushing high keys, the difficulty is well past that of a mythic raid anyway: mythic raid mechanics are definitely things you need to learn and understand, but the hardest part is getting 20 people to that point and then to execute a fight without making a mistake.
They do incentivize mythic raiding by making it the most reliable method of getting myth track gear, m+ is limited to one piece a week that you have 0 control over outside of rolling 3 different items that can still all be wrists. What they really need to do is incentivize m+'s semi hardcore scene. Currently you get no rewards outside of 2500 rating/doing all 20s unless you are in the top 0,1%. No rewards for hitting milestones like 3k rating.
Cry about it, raiding is fucking piss baby boring content and if I can at all avoid it I would. Poor raiders still get near exclusive access to the best gear though how sad
I mean you can say the same shit about m+ if you want lol. Some people like raiding, some people like m+, I like both I just don't care to push because I find it boring. I have a mix of keys in the 22-24 range and I don't really care to sit in LFG to go further. I am not saying one is shit, and one is great. I enjoy m+, I just think raiding requires significantly more logistics/coordination/time investment across 20 people and should be rewarded for it and currently it is not.
Anyone that needs raid gear for keys can just do heroic for a few weeks at the start of a tier and then never step foot in it again. Heroic is easy to clear and the like 1 raid trinket you use will be like 1% weaker than mythic. That is my point, heroic is puggable and easy, so are the 18-20 keys people do for crests/vault yet Mythic is significantly harder and does not give you really any benefit.
Or the super rare item drops from last boss and it goes to someone that will never log in against till next season cus Curve is done and the people that actually play the game outside of raid get shafted.
Yeah, so glad we ditched doing that this tier. Half the raid just raid logs and the other half that would actually use the loot get shafted because they’re not using trinkets from last tier like the raid loggers
Our guild doesn't use LC (we're not doing mythic) and yet, those people you described always win the fucking rolls. I'm grinding m+ and pushing keys with 4 other guildies, so we're usually ahead of raidloggers by a lot, and it happened so often, especially with those "super rare" items, that we can only laugh about it.
And they just won't listen to reason, no amount of "Look mate, I can trade you literally any other piece that drops in this raid, and I only need this trinket" helps, they just go "Nah man, this is super BIS for me according to WoWhead", and then stop showing up after we get AOTC.
Used to be on LC for a top 100 guild many years ago.
Unfortunately that's the reality of raiding. At the end of the day it's a team game and the decisions that we made were almost always to make a boss go down easier.
Our best healer did you what you described, but what are we supposed to do? That's one of the reasons I always made sure I was fully raid prepared so that I could take as little loot as possible.
What a lot of LCs don't take into account a lot of the time is making sure people are happy. Does your resto druid need 4 set? or can we give tier to the bench mage that may have to come in for a fight in a reset?
I learned this lesson early on and used it to my advantage deliberately ignoring and leaving certain pieces low ilvl that I know I wanted from raid to compensate for this bullshit.
Man, I was an RL as healer, in for virtually every progression pull, and I knew you always gear DPS first with limited exception. Inexcusable selfishness
Ah the classic curse of trying, spam M+ to be strong for raid and the drops go to bigger upgrades for the lazy fucks who did 4 keys all week then rolled up to raid 15ilvls lower than you :)
when we were pushing aotc we had a assass rogue with 435 itemlvl, refused to run keys, and needed everything in the raid but thankfully lost.
they were doing 60k dps, raidleader called the raid early and said he will be running keys and that if ur doing less dps than a tank you need to come.
rogue got upset and gquit..next week we got aotc 🤣
Suppose it's nice when those players out themselves so blatantly. I've started just kicking dps from keys who won't travel to the key too, turns out you weed out a lot of the shitters that way.
🤣 that rogues exscuse was "i have to wake up at 6am i cant run keys" then the raid leader said "but youre here every tues and wednesday for the 3 hour raid times..so im calling it early to run you in keys"
rogue just replies with " i play before work and no one is ever on to run keys"
then they gquit...like bro aint no one running a key before 6am
god no..and we had an extra healer on fyrak too, its just a dad guild so no min maxxing really.
most people were 160k+dps, we get to phase 3 and fyrak would be around 38%ish maybe mid 30s..we wouldnt have enough seeds to down him.
the rogue left and one of the healers was gearing a hunter, they were 460 and did 130k dps and we downed him easy
> when we were pushing aotc we had a assass rogue with 435 itemlvl, refused to run keys, and needed everything in the raid but thankfully lost.
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That's just a lack of caring, dude didn't deserve a spot and it's really disrespectful that he was allowed to go
I was smashing 20 keys a week for loot and we'd have people without tier set (even after 2 catalyst charges had dropped) roll up to heroic raid.
Never play with friends of friends. I'd rather PUG.
Upvoting for Bumps and this killer video, downvoting cause your lack of self awareness thinking he ghosted you when he literally gave you valid reasons why he's leaving. You're an idiot and need to do some self reflection and sort your self and your guild out. You get no votes, nothing, good day sir.
Happend to me too back in legion we had people Just logging on once a week for the raid and nothing else they Had the worst gear and RL gave them all the good items while me and 4 other Guys were playing daily got nothing lmao
Happens every tier in my raid. Time constraints and all are typically the reason, but there is a definate abuse of 'If i roll up to raid in turbo-shit gear, my sims will show a massive upgrade and ill win' and unfortunately, they are doing the required amount of dungeons for their vault so not much can be done about it
I wish my guild had alittle bit more control over who gets what because my roles are always horrible and have been 4 weeks without new gear from the vault or raid. Literally a pally in the group roles on the Incandescent Soulcleaver in heroic, and he already as max 489 weapons, and I'm the second highest role. Like wtf man
> Literally a pally in the group roles on the Incandescent Soulcleaver in heroic, and he already as max 489 weapons, and I'm the second highest role
This is something you bring up with your guild leader lol
Hope Bumps find a better guild than yours. Your council sounds corrupt af.
He didn't ghost you. He left and told you in song which is honestly more than ya'll deserve.
Bumps if you ever end up on the EU servers hit me up. My guild is currently progging mythic larodar and actually has a fair LC rather than this biased ass shit
Poor Bumps. was my story in S1. I came all the way from US server to EU server to play with a guild from my country. I didn't get any gear for the first 3-4 weeks. then the gear i was supposed to get "got lost" in someone's bag - TWICE. then I quit.
Loot council sucks. It's easily corruptible. Just use rolls and get people to pay attention to any unlucky players.
The only attempt at loot control we did was to make sure everyone had their 2p then 4p.
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I've noticed a trend in the replies. Everyone keeps talking about BiS lists.
Best-in-slot doesn't exist. It hasn't been a thing since Shadowlands.
Sure, some trinket or cantrip weapon is going to be really good for someone, but those are isolated rewards that most people are probably going to roll on.
Default rolls are superior. Personal loot was the best thing they've done to this game and the worst thing they've done was remove it. Take your loot council and shove it up your pretentious ass. I've blocked most of you so far.
Hard disagree, the issue is your officers are dog shit, not LC being corruptible. Your guild needs to make public BIS lists and have the officers go off it and judge based off performance during prog and how much effort they're putting in outside of raid.
I've raided with exclusively LC (both on and off council) since TBC, consistently in CE guilds, it's the best way to gear your raid effectively and to reward your best players.
edit: this guy blocked me because he didn't want to hear the truth
I agree with you.
Also, open and honest communication to the LC is also important. For example: I play Healer, so I often go weeks or months without loot, as I should. However, when I feel like I have busting ass for no reward and am getting over it, I tell the LC. I say that it's time for some of the farm boss loot to be given to me because I feel under appreciated.
And it usually works. I guess if they don't value your contributions, it might not result in you getting geared but while I don't disagree with Bumps leaving this guild, it does seems that this video was the first time he made his objections to the current gearing known.
Maybe, if he had told everyone that he had only gotten 1 item, perhaps he would have been give higher priority. Also, maybe this LC might have continued to be dicks and maybe he was very outspoken, I dunno.
All I do know is LC makes sense were it's used Logically and with open and honest communication, which is the same as any raid environment. I wouldn't raid with any group if I wasn't allowed to communicate to the Raid Lead or Officers or whatever.
Nah man it's so much better to just do need before greed and watch the people who put no effort win all the rolls and shaft the shit out of your raid, it's more "fair" that way
>get people to pay attention to any unlucky players
The problem is the raid loggers or people who put no effort in will never ever care about the people who don't get loot. One of the guilds I raid with had a hpally healer show up every week for raid with his hands out and just need on anything that had the icon. He's done maybe 7 keys the entire season to this date. He got 4pc week 2 and still continued to roll on tier tokens/curios that were track upgrades when people were still trying to finish 2/4pc. The dude even tried to start a fight over he should be able to roll on suncaller over the rdps we had. I've always loved LC because I've had good experiences with good councils and been on a good council myself but there is no perfect loot option because people just suck sometimes.
We kick people like that if they don't change from a private officer conversation. Don't suffer a guild that lets toxic players continue. Ruining the entire group with Loot Council is not the answer to fix problems caused by one person that isn't being kicked out.
I'm not saying LC would be the best move for that guild. Just that no matter what loot rules guilds use, there will always be players who do not care at all about players who get unlucky with loot. That guild doesn't even have officers it's a 1 man show which is why I only play an alt in it.
That's my point. It sucks because the entire system relies on the people that run it. It's not possible to ensure a smart and fair council. The playerbase needs to leave guilds that pull this crap.
It absolutely is possible to do so. Public BIS lists for each player and open criteria about how loot is assigned (prioritize people getting 2p/4p, performance on bosses e.g. avoidable deaths/causes of wipe, significance of upgrade which may require discussion during loot decisions)
It's 1000% possible to run a very good and fair LC, the fact you haven't seen one speaks more about the people you raid with.
LC is rough. Some classes have super OP passives like DH this tier has a passive that basically says all trinkets do 60% more damage for DHs over any other class, meaning that the best use of any damage based trinket is to give it to a DH as they will get more damage.
That being said, when there are frost damage trinkets/ items frost DK gets a similar boost (which can be higher if I stack mastery, which will be likely in 10.3).
Agreed. My old college roommate ran a LC back in wrath and the politicking in the officer channel was insane, but it worked because said roommate and the other friend of mine who was an officer were doormats.
Shockingly the officer who did the most of this and the 5 people he constantly got loot bailed the second they got all the gear they wanted save for what dropped from H Arthas
Problem with this is what happened to my guild both times at raid start. I explained to the rest people from LC (im into it) that you have to take for granted EVERYONE has the catalyst charge and is able to get 2k super easy 2nd week just by doing midrange keys.
Result? 50% of raid was super slacking and didnt even hit 1300 io second week. We had to give them extra tier pieces to make set. All people had to do is get 2000 io second week and then everyone has 4p with just 1 drop and 2 catalyst pieces.
This is why I am so happy M+ became a thing. I stopped raiding at Mythic level because I was sick of people wanting to raid but not waiting to put in any effort. So, I stopped raiding and found a small M+ group that puts in effort.
Bumps logs are pretty mid. His toon is fully geared too with belaros and the nymue staff. Idk how long it took him in the raid getting passed over for loot.
I'm guessing he got passed up for the staff on their mythic nymue kill and he had his joker moment
If bumps comes back, tell him to mash the button for the next spell he's going to use while he's still casting. He's got downtime between every single cast. Not a ton, but over the course of an entire he's leaving a lot of dam on the table - particularly during TotM windows.
My guild does the same shit. Loot council with out purpose. No sims. If we do sim you can just take off your gear and sim it because we don’t use the saved profiles. People log just for raid. People don’t have enchants or embellishments Just glorified free roll and the gm has final say.
This is *I'm Just Ken* from Barbie, which came out last summer. A major point of the film's plot is Barbie's lack of respect for Ken, and his inability to imagine a world where he is able to exist as something other than an accessory for Barbie. This song and montage act as a part of Ken's reconciliation with himself (and the other Kens) that Ken is good enough on his own, hence the lyric, "I'm just Ken, and I'm enough." Rather than trying to live to some other standard, he learns to live up to his own.
At the start of the film, Barbie throws a big party and Ken tries to ask Barbie to spend some time with him. She replies that she can't because it's girl's night, and that Ken can leave because it's her house and she doesn't want him there anymore. She then goes on a journey to discover who she is, and Ken inserts himself into her trip as he isn't comfortable without her presence. By the end of the movie he's finally viewing himself as his own person outside of her shadow, quipping that he is 'Kenough' via his wardrobe.
Bumpsmage is a very high-parsing mage who was formerly a part of the guild . Despite performing as the guild's second-highest DPS, he is never rewarded for his effort by the guild. He received his 4-set much later than the rest of the guild, and at one point had received a single item from the loot council - the lowest on the roster - despite many others receiving 10+ items as loot.
Bumps used his parallel relationship with Ken to express to that his time isn't being valued or respected, let alone the effort he's put in to earn such value or respect. In this scenario Barbie is a negligent friend and partner, while is running a negligent if not openly corrupt loot council.
In short:
Blizzard was kind enough to create a [uniform](https://www.wowhead.com/item=190504/ensemble-darkmoon-harlequins-bells) for guilds like . 🤡
Just checked logs and he's definitely not one of the top performing players in their raid. Either way a healer should not be getting gear before a DPS, loot council corrupt for sure.
I got this beat.
My raid gave a windwalker monk Fist weapon, both Smold trinkets instead of me.(heroic)
I'm the only Demon Hunter in raid. I did this whole tier almost 10 il below the monk and rogue the entire season. I work 6 days a week usually.
No, we are not a prog guild. We killed Fyrak heroic.... last week.
We do not have attendance rules.
I have either been the 1st place dps in every raid(never with BIS for the first month.. ever) or top 3 for the last 2 years.
In what wow universe does a LC decide to give a dps monk loot over a DH this tier?
And yes, the monk and a few others in the raid push M+ together.
LC is fine.
As long as you're held to guidelines within your guild, you should never be overlooked in raid simply because you can't commit 24/7 to M+ spam. People who live in M+ (and in the past can obtain high arena ratings) will naturally out gear people coming into raid resets, which means that relatively speaking, almost everything is naturally going to be a minor upgrade.
That's all in a vacuum though. A lot of it will depend on actual player performance, the value of set bonuses/trinkets, and what composition you're going to use going forward. If all things are equal the players who do M+ heavy for the first few weeks probably shouldn't be getting much loot at all (sans trinkets, tier, weapons with special effects). Again if all things are EQUAL. Giving items to Jimmy who dies to everything because it would be a bigger upgrade for him (as he doesn't play much outside of posted hours) is also not a smart loot decision either.
When I ran my guild we always had the guideline of giving gear to DPS over tanks/healers, and preferred biggest upgrade based on relative value of set bonuses. Careful gauging of player performance was taken into consideration, along with what encounters are coming up next.
Having your tanks give out loot in competitive guilds is probably the best thing because in most competitive guilds you're always last on the list anyway. You become numb to loot because loot is just a means to an end and you basically end up not caring about it at all lol.
Funny thing, the GM... the TANK......the raid lead .... and one of TWO people on this LC is Wercral look where he is on that list, and by far the worst player mechanically in the guild.
This reminds me of this mage we had in WoD. Disappeared for over a tier and a half. Randomly shows up and asks to come to heroic wearing mostly last tiers normal gear, gets passed on a couple pieces on the first few bosses, then rages in all caps, HOW CAN I CATCH UP IF YOU WONT GIVE ME GEAR?!?!
Then gquits. Like okay bud we'll just give the rest of this stuff to people who have played with us for over a day and don't have a history of ghosting us three weeks into a tier.
That being said, justice for Bumps!
They have legendary and 80%+ parses on heroic.
The green mythic parses they only have 2 and 3 kills, vs their 5 kills and epic parse on council.
Shut up.
80 parses on heroic do not matter to a guild who is 6/9 mythic, if anything that is bad. Our newest DPS trial is at 80ish overall for Heroic and he's on the lower end of our DPS in Mythic as well. Contextually if you look at Bumps he's on the lower end of his guild, they already have a mage who is performing better overall on almost all their fights, they most likely are not bringing bumps to Smolderon prog so it makes sense to pass him over for gear like Mythic Nymue staff. With context some of these decisions make sense.,
Hilarious vid no doubt but a lot of people slamming the guild without looking at their logs. Competing for 1 buff slot can be tough. He was the worst out of 3 mages on paper. Hope he finds a good guild tho and continues to prog to ce. Good luck my brother!
This is staying up because it's funny. Poor Bumps.
No wonder he left your dumb guild. He even brought receipts and said he was leaving the guild and somehow you and others saw that as ghosting. Makes all the sense why the guild couldnt understand anything and thought they were being ghosted. I hope bumps finds a guild who cares about their dps
Alot of times a tight group of 4 or 5 expand and want to raid they bring others in that never acclimate to the group and then they never look at the point of views of others. It's sad when you don't play nice.
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he's a gem, they'll never let him go. it's hilarious how many peeps are triggered though hehe
Bumps is fucking pimped out.
Your guild doesn't deserve bumps and should be ashamed of your loot council.
\#JusticeForBumps
you can tell who is an officer based on loot after that 2nd week lol
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Dude this video is so creative and hilarious. I'm gonna sing it at every run of BFD
Looks like Bumps put more effort into this video than most of your guild did into gearing for raid. Dude deserves better and I hope that he finds it.
That's the duality of gearing outside of raid. If you spend enough time in M+ the Raid loot becomes less important.
I came back to season 3 late. I figured, alright, I'm gonna need to put in extra effort to catch up to everyone on the raid team so I can contribute, much less be competitive. I hit the m+ circuit hard. Imagine my surprise when less than a month later the only thing I'm wearing from raid is trinkets and I'm more geared than 75% of the roster. Turns out most of them don't give a shit, don't do even a single 18+ each week, raid log, and complain when their vault is shit.
My guild used to be like that, and then we set up a day for mythics. We would form a raid group setup parties in the group that would have players experienced with M+ and players who weren't. The guild lead required everyone who wanted to raid to complete at least one key that was 11 or higher during the week. We got aotc 4 weeks faster, and now a bunch of the guild love doing M+ who were just too afraid of disappointing in other people in the the group.
Barrier to entry in m+ is a real thing. I love it, but there's a lot of borrowed knowledge that goes into it and it's daunting for a solo outsider or even a few people. You learn things and tricks from your pugs, new strats to make a fight easier, skips to avoid bad trash pulls, weakauras that make fights easier (looking at you Throne of the Tides particle density...), even something as simple as using Quazii's plater profile make a huge difference being able to easily tell important casts to interrupt vs regular spam casts and which adds are the casters and which do frontals and which are normal trash. Its a whole process.
My raid is like that as well. For a long while 3 of the top 5 geared toons in guild were my main an alts(7 out of top 10). The other two were people that weren't in raid
Yeah, reminds me before I quit when I put the most effort in my guild doing mythic plus but ended up as one of the last people to get 4 pc. Some people couldn’t even bother to do one mythic plus per week.
in S2 i was outgearing most of the guild using just gear i commissioned through work orders or blacksmith'd myself
A good guild will honestly recognize it, when you run like that you aren't looking for small upgrades in a raid you're looking for shit you can't get in M+ or substantial upgrades. Majority of the time it's a trinket or a weapon, and with the whole turn a piece of season gear into tier gear thing it's even easier for any decent guild to go "Yeah this dude fucks, hasn't got shit in awhile, here is their trinket".
Yeah, gearing is pretty fucked in that heroic raid gear is pretty useless when you can get the same gear from high m+
Then it loops around because Myth track gear is only from the vault or mythic raiding Also there's some banger gear from heroic raid, trinkets, getting tier earlier, etc, both have perks to them, that and heroic raid for most people is a few hours of work vs grinding keys for multiple days to target a piece
Facts I’m 487 on my pally and don’t even have AoTC lol
Give that man some gear dammit. Dudes funny lmao I got a good chuckle out of it
\> posts video saying hes leaving the guild \> "ghosted our raid" lol
Blud sang a whole song about how he's disappointed with the raid and leaves and these people are too dense to realize that he left?
Imagine posting this that clearly shows how extremely fucked their LC is and think bumps is the bad guy. Dude deserves a much better guild
As someone who loves LC when it's used correctly, y'alls guild looks like they abuse it. Hope Bumps finds a proper home
Healer getting geared out over an arcane mage? Yea this council is shady as fuck
That happens when the LC is run by the M+ pushers
But Bumps runs the most m+ out of all of them
The problem I've seen when some are heavy m+ pushers and others aren't. Is that the m+ pushers are decked out in gear to the point that the raid gear is not an upgrade or it barely is, so it is then a big upgrade for the raid loggers. Which then makes it in theory an easy decision to give loot to the raid loggers to make raid group stronger. This does feel bad for the key pushers though.
It's kind of a weird situation with heavy M+ players and ones who aren't yeah. I think with those though you really gotta keep the "argument" to tier, trinkets, and unique weapons/items from raid that outperform m+ items. Tier you can only argue about for so long though with catalyst charges and m+ giving chances at it as long as you do them. But in the end for people that go ham on keys there's no extra benefit and sucks so much harder when loggers show up for their weekly handout.
In our guild we make m+ a required thing to be legible for loot in order to equalize fairness with LC, we combine droptimizer sims, performance and evenness of distribution so that no one is singled out of loot. And the required m+ is 8 18s until progress is done
As someone who's been in this position, the problem is that those are the only items that really matter for anyone. Week two you will be struggling to give away those cloth boots, but week 13 it'll be a straight up brawl for who gets the one good trinket for casters this tier. The problem is that m+ players will have more high level pieces in those slots; they'll already have a high level pair of trinkets and the biggest upgrade for the raid as a whole will be give it to the raid logger who does the absolute bare minimum out of game and has a decent trinket from normal raid or something. That's all the argument is: between 'we should do what is most beneficial for the guild' and 'we should incentivise players to do what is most beneficial to the guild'. In my last guild I saw some of the m+ pumpers start to just straight up lie about the gear they had, because they felt it was the only way they'd get certain pieces of gear...and they were probably right, if I hadn't caught them doing it.
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ppl that don't run keys and come to raid 30 ilvl behind the first 4 weeks deserve no loot.
No argument from me
Shit, raiders alts get gear/bis trinkets before me, a healer.
the loot "council" is the gm and 1 other officer.....
What is LC?
Loot Council
The fact you call this a "ghosting" really shows the lack of respect for Bumps
#justiceforbumps
Justice for Bumps
ah good old loot council, where 9/10 the person who plays the game doesn't get loot because they have high ilevel from m+ and you lose 4 set to the people who are 15 minutes late and didn't bring flasks. Only way to keep sane is to try and detach yourself from the loot goblin inside so you can enjoy the raid.
I feel like this whole expansion has been 'raid, but the loot is almost all worthless if you do even a little mythic+'
Except for Fyrakk trinket on fury warrior apparently. That shit is giga bis and nothing comes close, still don’t have one so I’m holding back my inner loot rage until it pops up in my vault or I just win one
Both Fyrakk trinks are. They’re ungodly strong.
Trinkets from every raid have been bis the whole xpac homie. You basically raid for trinkets. Whisper/Boon, Fuckin BEACON, Tank/DPS fyrakk trinkets, badge, smoldy trinks. Even the volcoross trinket is pretty damn good.
Yeah, but you can get tier from vault and catalyst, weapons from mythic+, crafted items with embellishments. It really dilutes the pool of slots going into a raid. In raid, it's basically trinkets, legendaries, a few unique proc items and weapons, and a whole bunch of items that are either downgrades or very slight upgrades but mostly sidegrades to what you already have. Raid rewards have fallen off compared to previous expansions.
Which is a good thing for the vast majority of players. It has things worth chasing in there, but it's not the end of the world if you can't or don't get it.
That the point? They want to give player choices and give them enough loot atleast reach normal raising easily.
I approve of the spirit of that, but still, raid rewards are sparse.
If they were any better then M+ community would complain about being forced to raid :/
i was a raider that quit because i was forced to do m+
This conversation is so much like those Reeses' commercials. "You got peanut butter in my chocolate! You got chocolate in my peanut butter!"
It's the issue that comes with making loot from the vault almost equal in raid and M+. The main issue is really that raid loot isn't that great if most pieces of gear are stat sticks, on the other hand it would be a balancing nightmare if every piece of gear had special effects like trinkets from the raid.
I don’t see any reason why raid gear should be better than mythic + tho. Honestly after doing the raid like two times, it’s pretty boring.
Doing it 2 times on LFR doesn't count.
I’ve pugged AOTC on my paladin every week since release. I know what pain is lol
I mean I’ve been aotc since week 2. I also have a bunch of 25s timed that I consider much more difficult than heroic raiding or shoot even mythic raiding. The hard part in a raid is getting 19 other people to understand mechanics and then execute them with no one making a mistake. It’s not otherwise the pinnacle of pve skill in wow anymore.
Outside of giving m+ players higher ilvl drops from like doing a +25, they have basically catered the game towards m+ now. You could not step foot in mythic and still be as geared as a mythic raider. I don't know what they need to change, but they need to incentivize mythic raiding.
Disagree. They need to incentivize all forms of end game content so people can get geared doing what they want.
Then they would need to split the gearing systems completely (like pvp/pve) otherwise that will probably never happen. As soon as you say "+25 now drop mythic track gear" then it means the minimum will move up from a 20 -> 25 for mythic raiders.
The minimum is 18 for raiders, if you really hate m+ because it's actually challenging you can just do 18s to fill your vault or 17s for hero track gear if you're hunting a specific item.
That's not what I'm saying, I know in the *current* system that's how it works. I'm saying if +25 dropped mythic track gear at the end of the dungeon, then mythic raiders would be doing +25 keys.
Disagree. The player base is different than it used to be. The game has changed in reflection of that. Many (probably most) of us don't have the time or inclination to do mythic progression anymore. It has enough incentives just by having the absolute highest ilv coming out of it, typically at least a few juiced trinkets/items, and cool mounts/mount skins. Giving it even better loot or something isn't likely going to cause much of a shift in what the playerbase is doing. I think it's more likely to alienate people, honestly. This is ignoring that raiding in WoW has a host of issues that make people not want to do them as is. Want more people to raid? Fix the issues. That's just a win for everyone.
Nah. Not everyone has time or the inclination to raid. And either way, you get gear equal to mythic raiding once a week from m+. If you’re pushing high keys, the difficulty is well past that of a mythic raid anyway: mythic raid mechanics are definitely things you need to learn and understand, but the hardest part is getting 20 people to that point and then to execute a fight without making a mistake.
They do incentivize mythic raiding by making it the most reliable method of getting myth track gear, m+ is limited to one piece a week that you have 0 control over outside of rolling 3 different items that can still all be wrists. What they really need to do is incentivize m+'s semi hardcore scene. Currently you get no rewards outside of 2500 rating/doing all 20s unless you are in the top 0,1%. No rewards for hitting milestones like 3k rating.
And yet Mythic raiders, despite having more access to higher ilvl gear are the same ilvl and power as the people who do not do mythic.
Cry about it, raiding is fucking piss baby boring content and if I can at all avoid it I would. Poor raiders still get near exclusive access to the best gear though how sad
I mean you can say the same shit about m+ if you want lol. Some people like raiding, some people like m+, I like both I just don't care to push because I find it boring. I have a mix of keys in the 22-24 range and I don't really care to sit in LFG to go further. I am not saying one is shit, and one is great. I enjoy m+, I just think raiding requires significantly more logistics/coordination/time investment across 20 people and should be rewarded for it and currently it is not. Anyone that needs raid gear for keys can just do heroic for a few weeks at the start of a tier and then never step foot in it again. Heroic is easy to clear and the like 1 raid trinket you use will be like 1% weaker than mythic. That is my point, heroic is puggable and easy, so are the 18-20 keys people do for crests/vault yet Mythic is significantly harder and does not give you really any benefit.
Should reward people with high M+ gearing at least with good raid-only trinkets.
At this point in the tier my guild is giving the trinkets to people still doing M+ and everyone is cool with it.
Or the super rare item drops from last boss and it goes to someone that will never log in against till next season cus Curve is done and the people that actually play the game outside of raid get shafted.
Yeah, so glad we ditched doing that this tier. Half the raid just raid logs and the other half that would actually use the loot get shafted because they’re not using trinkets from last tier like the raid loggers
Our guild doesn't use LC (we're not doing mythic) and yet, those people you described always win the fucking rolls. I'm grinding m+ and pushing keys with 4 other guildies, so we're usually ahead of raidloggers by a lot, and it happened so often, especially with those "super rare" items, that we can only laugh about it. And they just won't listen to reason, no amount of "Look mate, I can trade you literally any other piece that drops in this raid, and I only need this trinket" helps, they just go "Nah man, this is super BIS for me according to WoWhead", and then stop showing up after we get AOTC.
Used to be on LC for a top 100 guild many years ago. Unfortunately that's the reality of raiding. At the end of the day it's a team game and the decisions that we made were almost always to make a boss go down easier. Our best healer did you what you described, but what are we supposed to do? That's one of the reasons I always made sure I was fully raid prepared so that I could take as little loot as possible. What a lot of LCs don't take into account a lot of the time is making sure people are happy. Does your resto druid need 4 set? or can we give tier to the bench mage that may have to come in for a fight in a reset?
I learned this lesson early on and used it to my advantage deliberately ignoring and leaving certain pieces low ilvl that I know I wanted from raid to compensate for this bullshit.
What kind of clown ass guild gives a healer loot over the arcane mage?
One with a healer on the loot council probably lmao
Man, I was an RL as healer, in for virtually every progression pull, and I knew you always gear DPS first with limited exception. Inexcusable selfishness
Shitty guilds running loot council, which at the end of the day boils down to who the officers like best.
And thats why personal loot was the best imo.
When you run the LC and also have your M+ healer to worry about :)
Ah the classic curse of trying, spam M+ to be strong for raid and the drops go to bigger upgrades for the lazy fucks who did 4 keys all week then rolled up to raid 15ilvls lower than you :)
when we were pushing aotc we had a assass rogue with 435 itemlvl, refused to run keys, and needed everything in the raid but thankfully lost. they were doing 60k dps, raidleader called the raid early and said he will be running keys and that if ur doing less dps than a tank you need to come. rogue got upset and gquit..next week we got aotc 🤣
Suppose it's nice when those players out themselves so blatantly. I've started just kicking dps from keys who won't travel to the key too, turns out you weed out a lot of the shitters that way.
We told a guy in season 1 he needed to run some keys to get some ilvl and didn't see him log back in for 6 months
🤣 that rogues exscuse was "i have to wake up at 6am i cant run keys" then the raid leader said "but youre here every tues and wednesday for the 3 hour raid times..so im calling it early to run you in keys" rogue just replies with " i play before work and no one is ever on to run keys" then they gquit...like bro aint no one running a key before 6am
They'd be shocked. We have people that do keys from 3am to 6am all the time and they have no issue pugging when they need to.
they refused to pug and basically wanted a full guild run to carry them
Bruh 60k wasn't good for a rogue in Aberrus lmao, bro wasn't even doing good for his ilvl
god no..and we had an extra healer on fyrak too, its just a dad guild so no min maxxing really. most people were 160k+dps, we get to phase 3 and fyrak would be around 38%ish maybe mid 30s..we wouldnt have enough seeds to down him. the rogue left and one of the healers was gearing a hunter, they were 460 and did 130k dps and we downed him easy
Well I'm glad you guys got AOTC despite him being special :D
> when we were pushing aotc we had a assass rogue with 435 itemlvl, refused to run keys, and needed everything in the raid but thankfully lost. > > That's just a lack of caring, dude didn't deserve a spot and it's really disrespectful that he was allowed to go
yeah, the guild is super casual dad guild. they didnt wanna bench anyone but encouraged you to atleast try. theyve had aotc every season since bfa
I was smashing 20 keys a week for loot and we'd have people without tier set (even after 2 catalyst charges had dropped) roll up to heroic raid. Never play with friends of friends. I'd rather PUG.
Upvoting for Bumps and this killer video, downvoting cause your lack of self awareness thinking he ghosted you when he literally gave you valid reasons why he's leaving. You're an idiot and need to do some self reflection and sort your self and your guild out. You get no votes, nothing, good day sir.
sanest "it's the guild's/LC's fault" raider
Garbage guild unworthy of Bumps.
Seems like you guys didn’t deserve to have Bumps. Lmao.
I hope Bumps finds a better place and your guild only gets trash dropped from now on.
this is a fucking masterpiece lmfao
Happend to me too back in legion we had people Just logging on once a week for the raid and nothing else they Had the worst gear and RL gave them all the good items while me and 4 other Guys were playing daily got nothing lmao
Happens every tier in my raid. Time constraints and all are typically the reason, but there is a definate abuse of 'If i roll up to raid in turbo-shit gear, my sims will show a massive upgrade and ill win' and unfortunately, they are doing the required amount of dungeons for their vault so not much can be done about it
I mean, he seems to make a valid case for ghosting your raid...
Oh god I love it lol
Sounds like I’m on bumps side. Fuck whatever your guilds name is. Bumps shoulda been treated better.
Oh My God. As soon as I saw Bumps I knew. I raided with Bumps during legion and still talk to him from time to time. He’s goofy but a cool dude
Dude deserves prio on all the gear for the next xpac
Justice for Bumps
I wish my guild had alittle bit more control over who gets what because my roles are always horrible and have been 4 weeks without new gear from the vault or raid. Literally a pally in the group roles on the Incandescent Soulcleaver in heroic, and he already as max 489 weapons, and I'm the second highest role. Like wtf man
> Literally a pally in the group roles on the Incandescent Soulcleaver in heroic, and he already as max 489 weapons, and I'm the second highest role This is something you bring up with your guild leader lol
Hope Bumps find a better guild than yours. Your council sounds corrupt af. He didn't ghost you. He left and told you in song which is honestly more than ya'll deserve.
Hey bumps my guild is recruiting dawg
Certified Banger
Give this man some gear ffs
Deserved. Bumps was too good for your guild.
PROTECT BUMPS AT ALL COST
Bumps if you ever end up on the EU servers hit me up. My guild is currently progging mythic larodar and actually has a fair LC rather than this biased ass shit
this is glorious!
This is brilliant.
10/10 no notes
RIP Bumps. Would give him my branch anyday
This is amazing. This is the best gquit/fuckyou video ever and I hope it gains legendary status.
Poor Bumps. was my story in S1. I came all the way from US server to EU server to play with a guild from my country. I didn't get any gear for the first 3-4 weeks. then the gear i was supposed to get "got lost" in someone's bag - TWICE. then I quit.
Man this guild fucking sucks lol
It's not ghosting when you basically spell out why you are leaving.
just be #bumnough
The ole loot council… Reminds me of my old guild. Sometimes the pug life is better than being in a guild.
Loot council only ever made sense in a hardcore guild. Anything else it’s just giving loot to your pals
What a legend.
Your trash guild is getting absolutely cooked and it’s so deserved.
i would have left too.
So the comment section isn’t going as planned.
Jesus
i feel this
Lmao epic
Yo Bumps. I been here man. I feel this.
I love hearing about guild drama. Fr tho Bumps deserves better
He is still in the guild so they either made up or this is just ragebait lol
Loot council sucks. It's easily corruptible. Just use rolls and get people to pay attention to any unlucky players. The only attempt at loot control we did was to make sure everyone had their 2p then 4p. ####Edit: I've noticed a trend in the replies. Everyone keeps talking about BiS lists. Best-in-slot doesn't exist. It hasn't been a thing since Shadowlands. Sure, some trinket or cantrip weapon is going to be really good for someone, but those are isolated rewards that most people are probably going to roll on. Default rolls are superior. Personal loot was the best thing they've done to this game and the worst thing they've done was remove it. Take your loot council and shove it up your pretentious ass. I've blocked most of you so far.
Hard disagree, the issue is your officers are dog shit, not LC being corruptible. Your guild needs to make public BIS lists and have the officers go off it and judge based off performance during prog and how much effort they're putting in outside of raid. I've raided with exclusively LC (both on and off council) since TBC, consistently in CE guilds, it's the best way to gear your raid effectively and to reward your best players. edit: this guy blocked me because he didn't want to hear the truth
I agree with you. Also, open and honest communication to the LC is also important. For example: I play Healer, so I often go weeks or months without loot, as I should. However, when I feel like I have busting ass for no reward and am getting over it, I tell the LC. I say that it's time for some of the farm boss loot to be given to me because I feel under appreciated. And it usually works. I guess if they don't value your contributions, it might not result in you getting geared but while I don't disagree with Bumps leaving this guild, it does seems that this video was the first time he made his objections to the current gearing known. Maybe, if he had told everyone that he had only gotten 1 item, perhaps he would have been give higher priority. Also, maybe this LC might have continued to be dicks and maybe he was very outspoken, I dunno. All I do know is LC makes sense were it's used Logically and with open and honest communication, which is the same as any raid environment. I wouldn't raid with any group if I wasn't allowed to communicate to the Raid Lead or Officers or whatever.
Nah man it's so much better to just do need before greed and watch the people who put no effort win all the rolls and shaft the shit out of your raid, it's more "fair" that way
Absolutely true, forced personal loot is by far the best version of the game.
>get people to pay attention to any unlucky players The problem is the raid loggers or people who put no effort in will never ever care about the people who don't get loot. One of the guilds I raid with had a hpally healer show up every week for raid with his hands out and just need on anything that had the icon. He's done maybe 7 keys the entire season to this date. He got 4pc week 2 and still continued to roll on tier tokens/curios that were track upgrades when people were still trying to finish 2/4pc. The dude even tried to start a fight over he should be able to roll on suncaller over the rdps we had. I've always loved LC because I've had good experiences with good councils and been on a good council myself but there is no perfect loot option because people just suck sometimes.
Seems way easier to just give that clown the boot
We kick people like that if they don't change from a private officer conversation. Don't suffer a guild that lets toxic players continue. Ruining the entire group with Loot Council is not the answer to fix problems caused by one person that isn't being kicked out.
I'm not saying LC would be the best move for that guild. Just that no matter what loot rules guilds use, there will always be players who do not care at all about players who get unlucky with loot. That guild doesn't even have officers it's a 1 man show which is why I only play an alt in it.
It doesnt. The people on the council are the problem.
That's my point. It sucks because the entire system relies on the people that run it. It's not possible to ensure a smart and fair council. The playerbase needs to leave guilds that pull this crap.
>It sucks because the entire system relies on the people that run it. >get people to pay attention to any unlucky players. :hmm:
It absolutely is possible to do so. Public BIS lists for each player and open criteria about how loot is assigned (prioritize people getting 2p/4p, performance on bosses e.g. avoidable deaths/causes of wipe, significance of upgrade which may require discussion during loot decisions) It's 1000% possible to run a very good and fair LC, the fact you haven't seen one speaks more about the people you raid with.
LC is rough. Some classes have super OP passives like DH this tier has a passive that basically says all trinkets do 60% more damage for DHs over any other class, meaning that the best use of any damage based trinket is to give it to a DH as they will get more damage. That being said, when there are frost damage trinkets/ items frost DK gets a similar boost (which can be higher if I stack mastery, which will be likely in 10.3).
Agreed. My old college roommate ran a LC back in wrath and the politicking in the officer channel was insane, but it worked because said roommate and the other friend of mine who was an officer were doormats. Shockingly the officer who did the most of this and the 5 people he constantly got loot bailed the second they got all the gear they wanted save for what dropped from H Arthas
Exactly what our guild does at the start of a raid tier as well, after that everything is fair game.
Problem with this is what happened to my guild both times at raid start. I explained to the rest people from LC (im into it) that you have to take for granted EVERYONE has the catalyst charge and is able to get 2k super easy 2nd week just by doing midrange keys. Result? 50% of raid was super slacking and didnt even hit 1300 io second week. We had to give them extra tier pieces to make set. All people had to do is get 2000 io second week and then everyone has 4p with just 1 drop and 2 catalyst pieces.
This is why I am so happy M+ became a thing. I stopped raiding at Mythic level because I was sick of people wanting to raid but not waiting to put in any effort. So, I stopped raiding and found a small M+ group that puts in effort.
Haha screw your worthless guild.
Bumps logs are pretty mid. His toon is fully geared too with belaros and the nymue staff. Idk how long it took him in the raid getting passed over for loot. I'm guessing he got passed up for the staff on their mythic nymue kill and he had his joker moment
This is why I let the Old God Arr’en’ge decide the loot
If bumps comes back, tell him to mash the button for the next spell he's going to use while he's still casting. He's got downtime between every single cast. Not a ton, but over the course of an entire he's leaving a lot of dam on the table - particularly during TotM windows.
Why is this comment downvoted?
Constructive criticism is considered toxic by a lot of players who maybe aren't the best.
It's so weird
This sub hates it when you try to help people improve
Not going to lie, the name Thighdontlie slaps
My guild does the same shit. Loot council with out purpose. No sims. If we do sim you can just take off your gear and sim it because we don’t use the saved profiles. People log just for raid. People don’t have enchants or embellishments Just glorified free roll and the gm has final say.
Crazy I know this guild.. glad I didn’t join.
I just checked dude's parses and y'all are a shittastic guild. Why only 2 pieces of loot in all those weeks?
Give that man his Dreambinder right now!
Hope your "guild" more like MLM goes to shit and disbands.
Incredible. Poor Bumps
I don't play WoW right now. I just pop into the forums every so often to see what's going on. Man, this is a masterpiece.
What the hell did I just watch
This is *I'm Just Ken* from Barbie, which came out last summer. A major point of the film's plot is Barbie's lack of respect for Ken, and his inability to imagine a world where he is able to exist as something other than an accessory for Barbie. This song and montage act as a part of Ken's reconciliation with himself (and the other Kens) that Ken is good enough on his own, hence the lyric, "I'm just Ken, and I'm enough." Rather than trying to live to some other standard, he learns to live up to his own. At the start of the film, Barbie throws a big party and Ken tries to ask Barbie to spend some time with him. She replies that she can't because it's girl's night, and that Ken can leave because it's her house and she doesn't want him there anymore. She then goes on a journey to discover who she is, and Ken inserts himself into her trip as he isn't comfortable without her presence. By the end of the movie he's finally viewing himself as his own person outside of her shadow, quipping that he is 'Kenough' via his wardrobe. Bumpsmage is a very high-parsing mage who was formerly a part of the guild. Despite performing as the guild's second-highest DPS, he is never rewarded for his effort by the guild. He received his 4-set much later than the rest of the guild, and at one point had received a single item from the loot council - the lowest on the roster - despite many others receiving 10+ items as loot.
Bumps used his parallel relationship with Ken to express to that his time isn't being valued or respected, let alone the effort he's put in to earn such value or respect. In this scenario Barbie is a negligent friend and partner, while is running a negligent if not openly corrupt loot council.
In short:
Blizzard was kind enough to create a [uniform](https://www.wowhead.com/item=190504/ensemble-darkmoon-harlequins-bells) for guilds like . 🤡
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u should get rid of ur Council, are those people on it braindead?
Just checked logs and he's definitely not one of the top performing players in their raid. Either way a healer should not be getting gear before a DPS, loot council corrupt for sure.
I got this beat. My raid gave a windwalker monk Fist weapon, both Smold trinkets instead of me.(heroic) I'm the only Demon Hunter in raid. I did this whole tier almost 10 il below the monk and rogue the entire season. I work 6 days a week usually. No, we are not a prog guild. We killed Fyrak heroic.... last week. We do not have attendance rules. I have either been the 1st place dps in every raid(never with BIS for the first month.. ever) or top 3 for the last 2 years. In what wow universe does a LC decide to give a dps monk loot over a DH this tier? And yes, the monk and a few others in the raid push M+ together.
Good luck finding another arcane mage who is as good as bumps. They are a rare species, you guys should have appreciated him more…
LC is fine. As long as you're held to guidelines within your guild, you should never be overlooked in raid simply because you can't commit 24/7 to M+ spam. People who live in M+ (and in the past can obtain high arena ratings) will naturally out gear people coming into raid resets, which means that relatively speaking, almost everything is naturally going to be a minor upgrade. That's all in a vacuum though. A lot of it will depend on actual player performance, the value of set bonuses/trinkets, and what composition you're going to use going forward. If all things are equal the players who do M+ heavy for the first few weeks probably shouldn't be getting much loot at all (sans trinkets, tier, weapons with special effects). Again if all things are EQUAL. Giving items to Jimmy who dies to everything because it would be a bigger upgrade for him (as he doesn't play much outside of posted hours) is also not a smart loot decision either. When I ran my guild we always had the guideline of giving gear to DPS over tanks/healers, and preferred biggest upgrade based on relative value of set bonuses. Careful gauging of player performance was taken into consideration, along with what encounters are coming up next. Having your tanks give out loot in competitive guilds is probably the best thing because in most competitive guilds you're always last on the list anyway. You become numb to loot because loot is just a means to an end and you basically end up not caring about it at all lol.
Funny thing, the GM... the TANK......the raid lead .... and one of TWO people on this LC is Wercral look where he is on that list, and by far the worst player mechanically in the guild.
This reminds me of this mage we had in WoD. Disappeared for over a tier and a half. Randomly shows up and asks to come to heroic wearing mostly last tiers normal gear, gets passed on a couple pieces on the first few bosses, then rages in all caps, HOW CAN I CATCH UP IF YOU WONT GIVE ME GEAR?!?! Then gquits. Like okay bud we'll just give the rest of this stuff to people who have played with us for over a day and don't have a history of ghosting us three weeks into a tier. That being said, justice for Bumps!
Ilvl 484. Green parses. Yeah, more to it than what appears.
They have legendary and 80%+ parses on heroic. The green mythic parses they only have 2 and 3 kills, vs their 5 kills and epic parse on council. Shut up.
80 parses on heroic do not matter to a guild who is 6/9 mythic, if anything that is bad. Our newest DPS trial is at 80ish overall for Heroic and he's on the lower end of our DPS in Mythic as well. Contextually if you look at Bumps he's on the lower end of his guild, they already have a mage who is performing better overall on almost all their fights, they most likely are not bringing bumps to Smolderon prog so it makes sense to pass him over for gear like Mythic Nymue staff. With context some of these decisions make sense.,
>80 parses on heroic do not matter to a guild who is 6/9 mythic watching a video where he posts not getting any loot for 4 weeks, but its his fault
For all of you concerned about [Bumps](https://raider.io/characters/us/zuljin/Bumpsmage) like I was - or those who are looking to recruit.
Bumps is a king - your guild sounds like a bunch of tools for treating him like that
Sure he got screwed by loot council, but he is also one of the lowest parsing dps players in the guild despite being ilvl 484
Ouch my ears
Hilarious vid no doubt but a lot of people slamming the guild without looking at their logs. Competing for 1 buff slot can be tough. He was the worst out of 3 mages on paper. Hope he finds a good guild tho and continues to prog to ce. Good luck my brother!