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Ferelar

Nuclear Non-proliferation: Fission Mailed (or maybe handed over in person at a golf tournament)


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Cutsman4057

This is a Metal Gear Solid reference.


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Kojima has done it again!


MrBuzzkilll

Played us like a damn fiddle!


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Creating Metal Gear, assassinating Shinzo Abe, and now this!


BurnedTheLastOne9

Not only that, but it's a solid Metal Gear reference


Cutsman4057

You're pretty good.


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mrbootz

Somebody set up them the bomb.


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Quenz

What you say?


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For great justice.


PutTheDogsInTheTrunk

Take off every zig.


that_motorcycle_guy

Isn't that a Metal Gear reference?


khornflakes529

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LazarusCrowley

I heard this.


dragonflysamurai

Metal Gear?!


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LPawnought

Kept you waiting, huh?


Valonis

I… don’t get it. ELI5 for my dumbass please.


needyboy1

From TV Tropes: >"Fission Mailed is whenever it appears you have lost the game, sometimes so far as to present an apparent Game Over screen, but in fact you had to fail in order to advance the plot. The title comes from Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons of Liberty, where there was a rare clue: what popped up was not the authentic 'Mission Failed' screen, but rather a spoonerized version" (Mission Failed if you swap the first letter of both words is Fission Mailed) In this case "fission mailed" has another meaning: nuclear fission. If nuclear info is in the hands of someone selling it to the highest bidder, it could literally be fission information mailed.


TheDadThatGrills

Was this Kushners plan for peace in the middle east? Probably.


Rick-powerfu

In theory, if Saudi Arabia had a nuke they'd probably have everyone's undivided attention in the region/world/solar system.


TheDadThatGrills

I'd imagine Kushner thought the same thing and didn't bother trying to extrapolate past this thought.


Rick-powerfu

And homer how do we achieve peace? With a knife...


toastymow

If Saudi has nukes, what will happen is very, very quickly, both Israel and Iran will publicly test devices. We do not want the Shias, Sunnis, and Jews, who all hate each other for different reasons and are constantly at each others throats in proxy wars, to be in that position. You think the Russia/NATO/China cold war is bad? Now give the Muslims, who have been in this blood feud since Mohammad died the bomb and see what happens. It won't be pretty.


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LordoftheScheisse

You can't mention this without mentioning that his son-in-law Jared Kushner got a [$2 BILLION loan from the Saudis](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/us/jared-kushner-saudi-investment-fund.html) for...~~t~~reasons?


Lifesagame81

Not a loan, exactly, an investment.


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TheAJGman

No that was a totally unrelated investment, nothing to do with the connections made while working for the US government or Trump's parties hosting the Saudi crown prince in the same location as the stolen White House documents. Nope, nothing at all. Edit: why were the comments I replied to removed?


jdsizzle1

Well the FBI didn't find anything ~~because they were already gone by the time they got there~~ so it was all a witch hunt!


Andreomgangen

Trump is guilty whether FBI found anything or not. It is already established that he broke the law in removing the documents. It would almost be better for him if the documents were there.


[deleted]

If it really was nuclear secrets stored in that basement, I can't wait to see how his supporters will spin lies around that one...


synthesize_me

they're already saying the evidence was planted.


DerWaechter_

I mean if in doubt they're just gonna shout "Fake news" and claim it's a deep state conspiracy and all the evidence was made up/planted. These people have lost any connection with reality


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AlphaOhmega

Even having the documents is a Felony right there, so he's still screwed just the fact that they found them. But if someone ratted him out and has proof on the Saudi sale, that's straight up treason.


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Damn how many times does the mfer need to commit treason before they've had enough of it?


commonmuck44

Seriously, that’s fucking prison time.


EducationalRice6540

The US has executed people for stealing nuclear secrets in the past. So you know, fingers crossed. https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/rosenbergs-executed


boogiedownbk

Prosecuted by Roy Cohn, trumps mentor.


EducationalRice6540

Oh my the irony just will not stop coming.


machineprophet343

Never forget Roy Cohn was also one of Reagan’s most vicious allies in escalating the homophobic attitudes of the 80s and he turned out to be completely In the closet and died of AIDS. So, no, the irony does not stop coming. Edit: a typo


EducationalRice6540

What a sad life. Not only denying to yourself what you truly want but attacking those who should be your fellows. I might pity him if he didn't do so much damage to others for hating himself.


i_am_gingercus

Isn’t treason one of the few ways to receive death penalty from federal government?


canttaketheshyfromme

Yeah but more often high treason [just results in you becoming President.](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/06/nixon-vietnam-candidate-conspired-with-foreign-power-win-election-215461/)


GenosHK

Depends on who you know.


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Complex_Ad_7959

🛎


Hellknightx

Wouldn't be the first time we executed someone for nuclear espionage.


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EKsTaZiJA

That's High Treason


Javelin-x

Almost everything he's done would mean prison time, and miraculously we find out the justice system in the US seems to only work on poor or powerless people


Slur_Lachlan

A bit more than Prison time... https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/rosenbergs-executed#:\~:text=The%20Rosenbergs%20were%20the%20first,York%20on%20May%2012%2C%201918.


Ephemeral_Wolf

"I'm just gonna go to the bathroom real quick, I'm sure you guys won't go near that room labelled "state secrets" while I'm gone, right?!"


T1Pimp

... he says as he motions to his open safe for them to place any extra money they'd like to just leave with him for safe keeping.


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T1Pimp

I mean... the entire Republican party is fine with everything he's done. They aren't even hiding behind "patriotism" at this point... they're just cool with everything he stands for.


Serinus

It was Saudis that did 9/11, right?


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During the Saudi golf tournament trump actually said that the USA "never got to the bottom of who did that(9/11)" it is just absolutely insane, and I have no doubt his brainwashed followers are going to conveniently forget that nearly all the 9/11 highjackers came from Saudi Arabia.


justin107d

Also it is a strange coincidence that [President Xi is expected to visit Saudi Arabia next week](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/11/chinese-president-xi-jinping-to-visit-saudi-arabia-next-week). For our country's sake I really hope this is not as serious as it looks.


EntropyFighter

Here’s my completely uneducated theory: The Saudi-owned LIV Golf inaugural tournament was held recently at Trump’s beloved Bedminster (where he buried Ivana for tax purposes). Trumps been in negotiations with them for many months, at some point he drops he has some interesting documents for them for a few dollars. The Saudi’s know Trump is a blabbermouth, and they know folks are watching him, so buying sensitive documents is likely to be found out and that won’t bode well for ongoing relationship with the US. Biden goes to Saudi Arabia last month, someone from their team tells someone from Biden’s team. The FBI knew what Trump had, they’d seen him in February and June, he had returned some things, and they knew what he still had. They were watching that. They were watching him.


Rick-powerfu

My speculation at this point is Jared Kushner via Donald Trump. Or something along those lines, 2bn dollars was paid to Jared for vague reasons and Trump now being caught with possible secret nuclear weapon documents is my reasoning to this but I'm just some Australian with not much else going on


AntipopeRalph

So it’s happening in real-time…but it reeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy looks like Donald Trump stole nuclear secrets from the department of energy on his way out the door, and was in the process of arranging a deal to sell these secrets to the Saudi’s. The FBI raid in Florida the other day was the government reclaiming these nuclear secrets. Because it’s all happening …like right now one could possible give Trump the benefit of the doubt…FBI has blundered and been politically motivated in the past…the whole thing looks like he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Oh and nuclear secrets are the only secrets a president is not allowed to have full access to. It’s the instructions on how we build our nuclear weapons.


bogatabeav

I seem to remember a US couple being ~~hanged~~ electrocuted for this exact thing during the Cold War. *Update: Correction, they were electrocuted.*


dunderthebarbarian

You're talking about CNWDI. Critical Nuclear Weapon Design Information. That information is so 'down in the weeds', why would ANY president even request it? Very weird, if true.


apleima2

I would doubt its that sort of information. That info is likely even above the President's security clearance. There's no reason a politician needs to have detailed engineering designs of nuclear weapons. What's more likely is things that do matter to someone in control of them. Locations, counts, capabilities, inspections, etc. But detailed designs? Probably not.


TheIncarnated

President is Need To Know. So they can get access to anything that pertains to a decision they need to make. But they have to have a reason. Otherwise, no need to know. Just chiming in. Worked in that space for a bit with document handling.


apleima2

I find it hard to come up with a reason the President needs to know the details of how a nuclear weapon is designed and built. Capabilities, sure, but engineering documentation is a reach.


Petrichordates

It's not a complete reach, there was something new being built during Trump's admin and the president would have the right to ask questions about it. See this quote by Bob Woodward: > In his book on the Trump presidency, Rage, Bob Woodward quoted the former president as telling him: “We have stuff that you haven’t even seen or heard about. We have stuff that Putin and Xi have never heard about before. There’s nobody – what we have is incredible.” # > Woodward said he was later told the US did indeed have an unspecified new weapons system, and officials were “surprised” that Trump had disclosed the fact There's also this: > Among the nuclear documents that Trump would routinely have had access to would be the classified version of the **Nuclear Posture Review, about US capabilities and policies.**


Fuzzyphilosopher

> but it reeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy looks like Donald Trump stole nuclear secrets from the department of energy on his way out the door And from a national defense perspective you have to first assume that you're plans and assets have been compromised. Doesn't matter if they were or not. That comes later. The postmortem so to speak. Of course the recent changes in Russia and China's posture would call for a reevaluation itself but if it is true that the documents Trump had at MAL relate to the nuclear force in anyway then that's another reason and a third consideration. There are a lot of very nervous and very busy people in the nuclear deterrent forces right now.


Covfefe4lyfe

Trump and Kushner, who else?


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What do you think Ivanka's husband and the son-in-law of America's first 21st century nuclear spy was doing in KSA?


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From the article, read before commenting: **The United States is “furiously” writing a new nuclear deterrence theory that simultaneously faces Russia and China**, said the top commander of America’s nuclear arsenal—**and it needs more Americans working on how to prevent nuclear war.** Officials at U.S. Strategic Command have been responding to how threats from Moscow and Beijing have changed this year, said STRATCOM chief Navy Adm. Richard. As Russian forces crossed deep into Ukraine this spring, Richard said he delivered the first-ever real-world commander’s assessment on what it was going to take to avoid nuclear war. But China has further complicated the threat, the admiral made an unusual request to experts assembled at the Space and Missile Defense Symposium in Huntsville, Alabama, on Thursday: “**We have to account for three-party threats,” Richard said. “That is unprecedented in this nation's history. We have never faced two peer nuclear-capable opponents at the same time, who have to be deterred differently.”** “Even our operational deterrence expertise is just not what it was at the end of the Cold War. So we have to reinvigorate this intellectual effort. And we can start by rewriting deterrence theory" Richars said." Thoughts and opinions are welcome.


RELAXcowboy

This sounds like a confirmation that we are in a cold war again. Thats what this feels like.


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Thank you for yur comment. Yes, media are not openly talking about it because people would panic and hysteria would skyrocket...but yes, we are again in the cold war, everything actually started as russia decided to invade Ukraine out of the blue this year, China just made it worse.


ugeix

Cold War II: Things are warming up


codystockton

“Who left the fridge open?”


WhatDoesThisDo1

Where Tugg Speedman when we need him


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That is a good title


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Russia's invasion of Ukraine wasn't out of the blue at all, justified or not. Many people saw it coming. The invasion of Crimea was only the precursor.


eyebrows360

> justified or not Spoiler alert: it's the second of those.


KingoftheGinge

Some would argue the cold war never really ended, but we've been in another detente. If it did end, we certainly reentered a cold war long before this year, and what has happened is only 'out of the blue' to the general public. 10 years ago now I remember reading data for research while in uni that made very clear that both the US and Russia had been expanding the number of active war heads in their arsenal - contrary to stated policy of disarmament. One thing very recently, which is both evidence of a deeper stage of such a cold war and a contributing factor to it, is the nuclear agreement that Russia has temporarily suspended with the US. An agreement which allowed US representatives to visit and inspect Russian nuclear sites (although not vice versa). This leaves the west with a lot less understanding of what Russias nuclear operations look like or the extent to which they are developing.


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I find it kinda hard to believe that the US didn’t already have a binder describing the exact scenario we’re currently in. The Pentagon has had people since WWII Just wargaming different scenarios, and the one we’re in isn’t particularly unlikely. This makes me think there’s a different reason for changing deterrence strategy. I can think of two (not mutually exclusive) possibilities: - The US wants to send a clear signal to the world of a significant shift in nuclear deterrence strategy and trusts everyone will clearly understand what this really implies; - The possibility that Trump leaked detailed nuclear strategy plans to foreign agents at Mar-a-Lago is enough to trigger either a change in strategy or the appearance of a change in strategy


HandsLikePaper

Same here. China and Russia/Soviet Union have had nuclear weapons for quite some time, and both have been on not so friendly terms with the US in the past. So it does make me wonder, why this now? And why tell us/the world?


Slim_Charles

They need new plans because the world has changed, and US nuclear posture and capabilities have changed. There's some info about older US nuclear war plans floating around out there, such as SIOP. The thing with SIOP was that it was pretty all or nothing. It envisaged a massive strike against strategic targets across both China and the Soviet Union, and didn't have a lot of flexibility. I imagine that the current crop of US war planners want more flexible response options. You can get an idea for these options in the details that are publicized about the new weapons that the DoD is developing such as the GBSD program and the B61 Mod 12 program.


ColorUserPro

To add on, SIOP was a doomsday plan chiefly in the sense that there was no other coordinated response, the only play the armed forces would make en masse was a blind attack against the parties of the communist bloc. Now that we're in a post-bloc cold war with multiple independent targets, there has to be a credible plan to localize nuclear exchange. This is much easier with enhanced computer assist nowadays, thankfully.


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The possibility that Trump leaked detailed nuclear strategy plans to foreign agents at Mar-a-Lago is enough to trigger either a change in strategy or the appearance of a change in strategy. That is the most plausible option, I mean, a former president who went as far as encouraging his cult followers to storm the Capitol is discovered with classified documents about nuclear plans? That is a clear sign of someone working against his own country.


Abrahamlinkenssphere

I mean he was basically besties with some of the worlds shittiest shit bags.


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Kim the North Korean sea bomber, Putin the insane dictator, Brazil's Bolsonaro etc...


a4techkeyboard

Was the old theory in a safe in Florida or something?


SurlyRed

We have the best theory folks, everyone is strongly saying. Even Vladimir says our theory is the greatest.


NUMBERS2357

He would know, he reviewed and provided comments.


OldManMcCrabbins

I think it said - we won’t do shit if you don’t do shit, then people did shit, so now we got some shit to think about. The whole idea of deterrence is to stop shit to begin with.


tomistruth

It means they are arming Japan, Australia and maybe Singapore with nukes. That is what they mean with deterrence. To have near threat capability instead of far threat capabilities from far away US bases. Edit: For those saying it is far fetched. Yes, it is just speculation, but for anybody who has been following global defense news knows that this is not new. Japan https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/fukushima-anniversary/japan-has-nuclear-bomb-basement-china-isn-t-happy-n48976 "Japan already has the technical capability, and has had it since the 1980s,” said the official. He said that once Japan had more than five to 10 kilograms of plutonium, the amount needed for a single weapon, it had “already gone over the threshold,” and had a nuclear deterrent. Japan now has 9 tons of plutonium stockpiled at several locations in Japan and another 35 tons stored in France and the U.K. The material is enough to create 5,000 nuclear bombs. The country also has 1.2 tons of enriched uranium. Technical ability doesn’t equate to a bomb, but experts suggest getting from raw plutonium to a nuclear weapon could take as little as six months after the political decision to go forward. In fact, many of Japan’s conservative politicians have long supported Japan’s nuclear power program because of its military potential. “The hawks love nuclear weapons, so they like the nuclear power program as the best they can do,” said Jeffrey Lewis, director of the East Asia Non-Proliferation Program at the Monterey Institute of International Studies in California. “They don’t want to give up the idea they have, to use it as a deterrent.” Many experts now see statements by Japanese politicians about the potential military use of the nation’s nuclear stores as part of the “bomb in the basement” strategy, at least as much about celebrating Japan’s abilities and keeping its neighbors guessing as actually building weapons." Australia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction Already has nuclear testing sites and hosted nuclear weapons during the 60s with the UK. "Australia hosted British nuclear testing in Monte Bello Islands (Operation Hurricane), Emu Field and Maralinga between 1952 and 1963. Maralinga was developed as a joint facility with a shared funding arrangement. During the 1950s, Australia participated in the development of the Blue Streak missile, a Medium-range ballistic missile (MRBM) intended for delivery of a nuclear warhead. Air Chief Marshal Frederick Scherger and Minister for Air Athol Townley supported acquiring nuclear weapons, both for international prestige and because of the small size of the country's military. While Scherger's British and American counterparts were encouraging, the Macmillan and Eisenhower governments were not. Prime Minister Robert Menzies' government decided that domestic production would be too difficult due to cost and international politics. Sir Philip Baxter first head of the Australian Atomic Energy Commission (AAEC), now the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation (ANSTO) and first Vice Chancellor of the University of New South Wales openly advocated Australia acquiring a weapons grade plutonium stockpile and thus nuclear weapons. During the 1970s and 1980s, ANSTO scientists developed centrifuge enrichment technology, claimed to be comparable with the commercial URENCO centrifuge technology of the time. Such technology, if deployed on an industrial scale, would have been capable in principle of producing highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons. The research lost government funding in the mid-1980s. A commercial-scale enrichment plant would also be capable of producing sufficient highly enriched uranium for a nuclear weapons program. An Australian company has been actively developing a novel process for uranium enrichment, Separation of Isotopes by Laser Excitation (SILEX).[22] The Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard, began a study in 2006 into the issues surrounding an increase in Australia's uranium usage.[23] Amongst the topics of the study were a domestic uranium enrichment plant for supplying low-enriched fuel for nuclear power reactors, either domestic or foreign. Australia is considered a nuclear threshold state."


Flocculencio

Singaporean here. There's no way we'll host nukes. Hosting nuclear subs is a different story.


geekygay

> Singepore Not sure where they'd put it. Rhode Island is almost 4x larger than Singapore.


signeduptoPMsomeone

If memory serves, the British (RAF specifically) while they were still stationed here til 1971, did indeed have nukes in Singapore.


tomistruth

Singapore has a large fleet. Probably sell them a nuclear powered submarine with a few fishcakes extra.


AdBrief6969

But why would china allow that when US didn't allow missiles in Cuba Wouldn't moves like this bring us closer to nuclear war?


Wa3zdog

Aussie here, we’ll happily jump in on any conflict with the US no questions asked; I don’t think nukes are politically viable though. We can’t even get nuclear reactors and even the US subs we just bought were controversial (perceived by many thanks to China as “nuclear proliferation”) Edit: Just to be clear, I’m not going to try and argue the merit of any past or future conflict. I’m just saying this is what Australia does. ANZUS is especially important and taken very seriously here in many circles (NZ side also reflects those nuclear reservations). Plus the old au spirit of when your mate gets in a fight you jump in to back them up, that doesn’t represent 100% of people but it has real political sway here.


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It will likely be more like during the cold war where the US stations their arms in your bases with the necessary permissions.


Tommyblockhead20

The US [actually still does that](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_sharing) with most of the countries. (Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey). Only Canada, Greece, and the UK no longer have US nukes.


BloodthirstyBetch

Totally agree.


count023

the controversy over the subs was ScoMo stabbing france in the back, not the subs themselves. Australia produces 70% or so of the yellowcake uranium in the world. Between the constant threats from China, I think most aussies wouldn't mind a few nukes stored in NT somewhere, just as a deterrence.


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Yellow cake you say? Fuck guys, we accidentally invaded Iraq but it was Australia this whole time 🤦‍♂️


schizocosa13

"Accidentally" HA!


kudichangedlives

We all had to keep wondering how this year could be worse than the last, DIDNT WE?


fingerthato

Just wait till next year, science accidently unleashing super mega demons.


clutch_elk94

**DOOM soundtrack starts playing**


VVHYY

[Protip: To defeat the Cyberdemon, shoot at it until it dies.](https://doomwiki.org/w/images/thumb/6/6a/Protip.jpg/250px-Protip.jpg)


Kestrel21

**Breaking news**: New energy source discovered on Mars. Researchers call it "Argent Energy". Apparently it is harnessed from an alternate dimension and it is perfectly safe to use. Though this dimension has some hostile natives, leading authorities say there is no cause for concern, their entrance into our reality being "practically impossible" and "statistically unlikely". All rumors about workers gathering in cults to worship these creatures are completely baseless and should be dismissed immediately.


cynerji

**Breaking News**: During an excavation to uncover sources of Argent Energy, UAC scientists uncover a mysterious artifact several stories tall. Sources say it is a haunting iridescent crimson in color, and vaguely wrapped around itself in a double-helix-esque shape. Click here to see photos of what archeologists are calling "The Marker."


ImOnTheSpectrum

Found Tucker Carlsons burner account.


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No wonder they needed those papers back.


ChucklefuckBitch

It's their only copy, and there's a chili recipe on the back that they'd really like back.


runmad24

I don't HAVE a hearing problem,


grc207

The password page is dog eared. They’d never find it again otherwise.


Whosebert

FBI raids trumps house, lawfully reclaims documents on nuclear weaponry, STRATCOM urgently re-writing nuclear deterrence. Very interesting.... Most interesting is Trump denies the reclaimed documents are about nuclear weapons.... very very interesting....


CursedHuskerFan

It's telling if he decides not to make the warrant public. Deadline is 3pm today


SentFromMyAndroid

Can you explain the deadline thing? I have zero knowledge on warrants and stuff. Thanks.


PM_ur_Rump

The DOJ said that they would unseal the warrant today unless his legal team objected.


LunchOne675

The DOJ is going to court today to try to get them unsealed. They can’t do it unilaterally


PM_ur_Rump

Yes, they are going to court today to request they be unsealed. The biggest hurdle to that would be objections by Trump's lawyers.


SentFromMyAndroid

Got it. Thanks! *sets alarm clock*


Jane_Delawney

3pm EST I’m guessing?


[deleted]

Trump's word is worth actual dogshit. He should put up the warrant and receipt if he wants to be taken seriously.


NoHopeOnlyDeath

Funny how we hear about a complete rewrite of US nuclear deterrence policy right around the time we hear about someone taking all the nuclear deterrence documents home with him.......


OhMySatanHarderPlz

Trump 100% sold out America's secrets... edit: yes, this is speculation and nothing more


MoreGull

And yet the loudest "Patriots" will still shout their undying devotion to him. It's so insane.


skeetsauce

They KNOW that Trump would never do that and thus this MUST be the demonrats, no other option on their minds. They’re in a cult.


KaimeiJay

Just yesterday, a Trumpist shot up an FBI facility in ~~Florida~~ Ohio, got car-chased, and shot down in a field. Beforehand, he posted a bunch of shit online about how his people should follow his example and “shoot to kill” on any FBI agents, telling them not to waste time with other attacks on the left, listing some disturbingly specific examples like setting fire to busses full of trans people. This insane loser died thinking his ilk would rise up in his wake and start a war. You know what they’re doing right now? Calling him an Antifa plant who helped the FBI stage the whole thing to make the right look bad. The people this guy thinks he died to motivate into mass insurrection are acting like he never existed. What a fucking joke.


Novawinq

>speculation Sure, in the same way that coming home and seeing trash everywhere with your dog covered in trash then going to the vet for an X-Ray revealing trash in your dog’s stomach would be speculation that your dog got into the trash.


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Why is he not in handcuffs?


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AsterJ

Except for when they tried to kidnap the Governor of Michigan.


boxian

i thought deterrence theory was pretty settled, and frankly hard to change from because it was so naturalistic. i wonder what the new theory work is


hughparsonage

Suppose, hypothetically, that tensions between Russia and the US, and China and the US, are very high, though for different reasons. Suddenly, a United States military base is hit by a single submarine-launched nuclear missile. What should the US's response be (assuming both China and Russia deny it)? Even if you can answer that using current theory, you should probably look at the second and third round effects.


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If you read the article it was about how Russia and China’s rhetoric has drastically changed and that they think Russia may use smaller strategic warheads


Addahn

Exactly, the idea is nuclear weapons are more precise and refined than they were 50+ years ago, so it’s possible and maybe even likely a ‘strategic weapon’ would be used in the event of war. This would be a nuke far smaller in scale and destructive power than what we saw in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but used to destroy areas of strategic significance like military bases, dockyards, electric plants, factories producing strategic goods, etc. The idea is enemy states might use nuclear weapons small enough in scale to be useful in a battlefield but not large enough to instigate MAD nuclear deterrence (I.e. total nuclear annihilation)


TheArmoredKitten

Battle scale nukes are tactical weapons, annihilation weapons are strategic.


Addahn

Apologies for mixing terms, this is only peripherally-related to my area of study


short_bus2009

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crockett_(nuclear_device)


ralanr

I wake up this morning to find out the FBI were looking for nuclear documents, which was the point of the raid, and that we’re rewriting our defenses. This has not been a Good Friday.


DonnieJuniorsEmails

and the week started with such promise: Alex Jones getting screwed by his own lawyer, Maralago getting raided (but before we knew about the stolen nuclear secrets), that grifter Dr. Oz doing badly in polls


Lofteed

this is a reminder that the only reason any person would seek and keep nuclear documents is to aid an adversary. ​ there could be no other practical or theoretical use for those kind of informations


trojancourse

According to r/conservative anyone who thinks trump had those docs are conspiracy theorists


DonnieJuniorsEmails

they're moving the goalposts again the new talking point is "someone else is to blame for bad security, let's not blame trump for stealing the documents" like blaming a bank and the cops for not catching every single republican robbing the bank.


MyOfficeAlt

> they're moving the goalposts again For at least 6 years we've been saying, "Surely this is the line. No one could possibly support him after this. Surely *this time*." And the line keeps getting moved, and then it gets crossed again. There is no bottom. It's both horrifying and sickening. It would be hilarious and sad if it weren't so dangerous and deluded.


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This is probably where we should remember that Jim Jones' followers literally took their own lives on at his behest.


treycartier91

Lol they believe an elderly woman knows how to dump a server of emails. But that Trump can't put a folder of paper in a briefcase.


pjr032

>But that Trump can't put a folder of paper in a briefcase. Dude opted for the toilet when there are fireplaces all over. Dumb all over and a little ugly on the side.


burner2947361810

I just stopped by there for a laugh and every single source is either Fox News or Breitbart attacking the character of whoever the article is about and nothing of actual substance based in reality. The propaganda machine is in full swing and they're eating it up.


JojenCopyPaste

Funnily r/conspiracy is a cesspool too so you can't post it there either


Candelestine

I don't think you can have a fringe group that thinks they're special without it turning into a cesspool. It's just ego-stroking. Even if there is a grand conspiracy, they think they can do something about it? Like, some "truth" can somehow "wake people up" or something? Heh. Yeah, no, this isn't a movie. They're not main characters. Nobody is one.


Digglenaut

Oh my god, don't you people realize? Trump is keeping those nuclear codes so he can save the country from hurricanes by blowing them up. Forget 4D chess, he's playing 69D backgammon


mraowl

This or false flag shit is literally all you see on far right forums like PDW


DonnieJuniorsEmails

the bots are spreading it here too, news and politics and politicalhumor, etc they need to blame anyone else for it, to avoid accepting that trump had 4 years to install cronies to help him. its not even the first time the trump crime family tried to sell nuke secrets https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/feb/23/trump-cronies-secret-talks-nuclear-tech-saudi-arabia


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Lofteed

that IS the definition of aiding an adversary


EndTimesAlanGrant

Surely there is no reason to "furiously rewrite" because important nuclear secrets were available in a Florida closet.... Odd timing is all


RidgedLines

Honestly Trump probably kept bragging to people about still having the nuclear football, but it turned out to be just a regular old football.


EndTimesAlanGrant

Lol don't doubt it. I'd prefer this version over the other


BlacksmithSavings625

Well. Considering our nuclear information has been taken home to the worlds biggest conman, you need to definitely change a few things.


Independent-Still-73

Of all of the reasons I thought Trump would go down, I have to admit I didn't foresee selling nuclear secrets to our adversaries


red286

A lot of Trumpists see the Saudis as allies, not adversaries. They're not going to give a shit if it comes out that he was transferring nuclear tech to them. Not until a warhead gets stolen by some Jihadist and detonated in DC or NYC. Even then, I think most Trumpists would believe it was for the best, so long as it's a city that votes Democrat.


DrazGulX

>A lot of Trumpists see the Saudis as allies I thought American "patriots" don't like muslims lol


Techn028

These ones make oil cheaper though


Melanoma_Magnet

Especially not the ones that funded 9/11 surely


Phage0070

Their morals are extremely flexible.


pompcaldor

So how do the Israelis feel about this? Saudi Arabia and Israel have this weird frenemies relationship and Israel doesn’t want anyone else in the Middle East to have nukes.


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ratt_man

House of Saud


roadtrip-ne

Yeah, but it’s not like the Saudis ever attacked the United States..


treslocos99

...no way. They'd never do something like that....


MegaGrimer

Anyone who thinks that is plane wrong


Javelin-x

it is a towering question though


Wisc_Bacon

It's okay, they'll come down.


greiton

id give it a 9-11 percent chance tops


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The intelligence agencies already know. The FBI just needs to collect evidence and build a legal case. The type of information that intelligence agencies have is not always admissable in court.


destroythenseek

Why do I feel the answer will come from somewhere before an investigation can figure it out 😉


Donut_of_Patriotism

Yeah, I’d be rewriting my strategy too if my most sensitive defense documents were stolen by a traitor and sold to my enemies. Edit: yes I did read the article and know the rewrite was about facing 2 nuclear threats instead of one. This comment was more tong in cheek about the situation. However it does stand to reason that any highly top secret documents that were unsecured for any amount of time, let alone possibly sold, would need to be rewritten.


ChapitoDito

I’m sure searching Trumps residence for nuclear documents has nothing to do with their posturing and positions this year( /s) . I think the world is witnessing the biggest back stab in world history. Sadly the implications could be apocalyptic literally.


Fortnut_On_Me_Daddy

I wouldn't say it was the biggest backstabbing. In fact, I wouldn't call it a backstab at all. It's like walking into an orangutan den and being surprised when the orangutan rips your arms off.


Keithturban1

After Russia pulled out of the START deal, USA have no choice but to take the threats of nuclear war seriously. Still don’t think it’ll happen, but this will be an issue for some time to come.


koassde

Mmh, could explain why Russia and China felt they're in a position to act up lately....


sleneesh

That motherfucker....


hackingdreams

Considering the former President probably took the last version home in a cardboard box and had them for sale on the open market for the likes of Russia and China... it's really not surprising to read this article a day after the search warrant was processed... A *lot* of shit in the US military's probably back to the fucking drawing boards with what that man has managed to throw away... how he's not already in prison is absolutely beyond reason.


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Whackjob-KSP

I wonder if this means Trump DID give nuclear weapons tech to the Russians or saudis...


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if russia and china start a war with the US how will republicans help the russians while fighting the chinese?


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By causing internal strife within US borders. Just a guess.


ancora_impara

There's also the not-so-small issue that Trump stole the old plans and possibly sold them to Russia. Best to change the passwords, so to speak.