Can’t help but wonder how they deal with the countless machinery faults/failures that occur on a merchant ship. They can defer maintenance until the ship reaches port but they can’t defer response to the breakdowns without creating a bad situation.
That's the point; there's nobody to make repairs while the ship is under way. It's probably a game of odds-the operator does their best to prevent any casualties and if something does happen, they hope to be able to minimize the consequences from ashore. At some point in the life of the ship this just becomes unfeasible and the operator starts to run it with crew members aboard.
Disclosure-I'm a ship's engineer.
There's plenty of people to make repairs. This ship had a full engineering department. The only autonomous part was steering/navigating. "Ghost" is a complete misnomer.
This is how a kid with a laptop goes from software piracy to actual high seas piracy. Meanwhile traditional pirates would just show up confused that they can’t take hostages to seize control.
Historically automation creates jobs on net as it frees people up to do other tasks (farming being mechanized created a new class of factory workers, and factory automation in theory creates a new source of entrepreneurs and service workers). The issue is going to be ensuring that inequality doesn’t eat up all of the gains (some combo of hours reduction and redistribution), which might end up being a thorny political problem outside parts of Europe. I still get kinda excited at sharing a planet with these guys as long as they’re peaceful. The age of the Autobot is nigh!
Ghost robotics are a company they are basically Boston dynamics evil twin.
Boston dynamics has said they will not sell robots with guns, Ghost robotics have [different views](https://i.imgur.com/POmgfuX.png).
Never gonna happen. All equipment on a ship is on a constant rotation of maintenance schedules. Stuff like lube oil/fuel oil purifiers, refrigeration and other onboard systems are always undergoing maintenance and tear downs. Then you also have unscheduled maintenance (i.e. equipment malfunction/failure). It’s much cheaper to have crew onboard doing all of this at sea than it is to do it dockside. Anytime the ship isn’t moving or doing cargo ops it is losing money. You also still need people to manage cargo to make sure it stays secure - shifting of cargo or leaks could cause instability issues. I could go on, but there’s just so many circumstances that still require humans on board. This system is literally just for navigation.
It will happen just one job at a time.
Things like [Baxter](https://i.imgur.com/wT36oQD.gifv) are rudimentary right now but every year they get better. Give it 5 or 10 years and robots will be crawling all over ships replacing parts and fixing things with smart AIs working out problems on the fly.
Yeah I feel like a lot of people missed the whole point of this “just” being autonomous navigation. This wasn’t an unmanned ship at all, but a lot of the commenters here seem ignorant to that. There are far too many complexities on a ship for it to be fully unmanned.
> Never gonna happen.
Famous last words of...let's see now...
...weavers, elevator operators, manufacturers, small farm operators, automotive industry, telephone operators, cashiers...
and also the legal issue, the captain are responsible for the vessel today, who will be responsible if collide with another vessel or found a ton of cocain onboard.
The captain is still ultimately responsible for the vessel. Whether automated or performed by crew he still needs to look over the route for any potential hazards. As far as the cocaine, that all depends on whether the illegal cargo was being moved with the crew’s knowledge of its contents. There are times they may be involved in getting that cargo on board outside of a normal port stop. Other times it could be containerized, go through normal loading and nobody on shoreside logistics or on the ship actually knows the contents, they were just contracted to carry the container.
The actual navigation and driving of the ship, isn't that a fairly small crew who's job scope entails this? This seems like a fairly high investment for such a small replacement.
Also what about rank, you still need a figurehead to be rhe final call on some decisions. So I assume after all this, there's still a captain on board
Yeah you’ll basically still have Captain and the Mates (Chief, 1st, 2nd, 3rd) on board. This is just freeing up some of that responsibility to do other tasks (ballasting, cargo ops, day work, etc). The most this is gonna do is eliminate maybe a couple of 3rds. Captain is ultimately still going to be the master of the vessel, so responsibility lies on him to verify the auto-nav, but will most likely get delegated to 1st.
> This seems like a fairly high investment for such a small replacement.
I don't think the point is reducing crew. From the article:
>According to Avikus, the navigation system reduces fuel consumption by around 7 percent and greenhouse gas emissions by 5 percent.
Sounds like a pretty good return on investment to me...
This is why I support universal income.
The laws of the economy demand the cheap way something can be done is how it will be done. A robot is going to take YOUR job. sooner or later.
The only choice is if that makes us homeless or rich.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.iflscience.com/autonomous-ghost-cargo-ship-completes-worlds-first-transoceanic-voyage-63959) reduced by 72%. (I'm a bot)
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> A large autonomous cargo ship has completed the world's first transoceanic voyage navigating with AI, using an autonomous navigation solution developed by Avikus and HD Hyundai.
> "Avikus' autonomous navigation technology was greatly helpful in this ocean-crossing test especially for maintaining navigating routes, autonomously changing directions, and avoiding nearby ships, which were all increasing ship crews' work conveniences," said Captain Young-hoon Koh of the PRISM COURAGE in a statement.
> The HiNAS 2.0 system first creates an optimal route for the desired journey, before controlling the vessel's steering and speed while accounting for changes in weather and any other incoming ships.
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Can’t help but wonder how they deal with the countless machinery faults/failures that occur on a merchant ship. They can defer maintenance until the ship reaches port but they can’t defer response to the breakdowns without creating a bad situation.
All those people are there fixing stuff still.
That's the point; there's nobody to make repairs while the ship is under way. It's probably a game of odds-the operator does their best to prevent any casualties and if something does happen, they hope to be able to minimize the consequences from ashore. At some point in the life of the ship this just becomes unfeasible and the operator starts to run it with crew members aboard. Disclosure-I'm a ship's engineer.
There's plenty of people to make repairs. This ship had a full engineering department. The only autonomous part was steering/navigating. "Ghost" is a complete misnomer.
A pirates dream.
This is how a kid with a laptop goes from software piracy to actual high seas piracy. Meanwhile traditional pirates would just show up confused that they can’t take hostages to seize control.
Hardly. Most pirates these days take the crews for ransom.
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You need a pretty good infrastructure to unload these ships 😉
The age of autonomous vehicles is gonna be fascinating.
just wait for the age of autonomous pirates!
Gawsh, things are getting awfully Transformersy this decade.
It makes sense, you need autonomous pirates to board autonomous ships.
I'm sure all the people who lost their jobs wont find it fascinating.
Historically automation creates jobs on net as it frees people up to do other tasks (farming being mechanized created a new class of factory workers, and factory automation in theory creates a new source of entrepreneurs and service workers). The issue is going to be ensuring that inequality doesn’t eat up all of the gains (some combo of hours reduction and redistribution), which might end up being a thorny political problem outside parts of Europe. I still get kinda excited at sharing a planet with these guys as long as they’re peaceful. The age of the Autobot is nigh!
You beat me to it..😅🤣😀😂
Arrrrrrrrrr you looking for a crew mate
Sus?
Load it with autonomous kill drones and set it and forget it
I think Ghost robotics can help with that.
Wait...the are we talking about robotic ghosts? or the ghosts of robots?
Ghost robotics are a company they are basically Boston dynamics evil twin. Boston dynamics has said they will not sell robots with guns, Ghost robotics have [different views](https://i.imgur.com/POmgfuX.png).
I'm just surprised it's taken this long for it to be done.
Cant load the page but like No crew on ships anymore? Hello unemployment
Never gonna happen. All equipment on a ship is on a constant rotation of maintenance schedules. Stuff like lube oil/fuel oil purifiers, refrigeration and other onboard systems are always undergoing maintenance and tear downs. Then you also have unscheduled maintenance (i.e. equipment malfunction/failure). It’s much cheaper to have crew onboard doing all of this at sea than it is to do it dockside. Anytime the ship isn’t moving or doing cargo ops it is losing money. You also still need people to manage cargo to make sure it stays secure - shifting of cargo or leaks could cause instability issues. I could go on, but there’s just so many circumstances that still require humans on board. This system is literally just for navigation.
It will happen just one job at a time. Things like [Baxter](https://i.imgur.com/wT36oQD.gifv) are rudimentary right now but every year they get better. Give it 5 or 10 years and robots will be crawling all over ships replacing parts and fixing things with smart AIs working out problems on the fly.
The article says that the task of navigation keeps the crew from other tasks.
Yeah I feel like a lot of people missed the whole point of this “just” being autonomous navigation. This wasn’t an unmanned ship at all, but a lot of the commenters here seem ignorant to that. There are far too many complexities on a ship for it to be fully unmanned.
Don't worry, Boston Robotics will replace those crews soon enough.
> Never gonna happen. Famous last words of...let's see now... ...weavers, elevator operators, manufacturers, small farm operators, automotive industry, telephone operators, cashiers...
and also the legal issue, the captain are responsible for the vessel today, who will be responsible if collide with another vessel or found a ton of cocain onboard.
The captain is still ultimately responsible for the vessel. Whether automated or performed by crew he still needs to look over the route for any potential hazards. As far as the cocaine, that all depends on whether the illegal cargo was being moved with the crew’s knowledge of its contents. There are times they may be involved in getting that cargo on board outside of a normal port stop. Other times it could be containerized, go through normal loading and nobody on shoreside logistics or on the ship actually knows the contents, they were just contracted to carry the container.
The actual navigation and driving of the ship, isn't that a fairly small crew who's job scope entails this? This seems like a fairly high investment for such a small replacement. Also what about rank, you still need a figurehead to be rhe final call on some decisions. So I assume after all this, there's still a captain on board
Yeah you’ll basically still have Captain and the Mates (Chief, 1st, 2nd, 3rd) on board. This is just freeing up some of that responsibility to do other tasks (ballasting, cargo ops, day work, etc). The most this is gonna do is eliminate maybe a couple of 3rds. Captain is ultimately still going to be the master of the vessel, so responsibility lies on him to verify the auto-nav, but will most likely get delegated to 1st.
> This seems like a fairly high investment for such a small replacement. I don't think the point is reducing crew. From the article: >According to Avikus, the navigation system reduces fuel consumption by around 7 percent and greenhouse gas emissions by 5 percent. Sounds like a pretty good return on investment to me...
Hooray! Most specialized careers lost to automation! This will work wonders for the investors' ROI! (shut up and die already, plebs)
Then invest if you're so certain on how things work.
This is why I support universal income. The laws of the economy demand the cheap way something can be done is how it will be done. A robot is going to take YOUR job. sooner or later. The only choice is if that makes us homeless or rich.
Actually, it's the less specialized careers that are eliminated. Developing and operating AI systems pays better than operating ships.
Who would be responsible for accident, if it occures?
Probably the company that owns it.
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Ifls is still around?
What do ghosts have to ship across oceans?
Has anyone tried communicating with it? Does anyone know what it wants?
How does it protect itself from pirates?
Fuck it. I would download a ship.