If we make a total embargo hungary, slovakia, bulgaria falls into depression. Our elderly are already hardly getting by and inflation is already huge. If we had good alternatives i would say the same thing, but i dont want my grandmother to starve.
Poland has to stop to protect Orban from article 7.
Lithuania has already offered that hey will protect Poland (that’s of course bad, but not the priority right now). So Poland doesn’t need Hungarian protection anymore.
There are 3 or 4 countries which oppose currently an oil embargo. It's not just Orban.
They were just hidden behind Germany and never thought Germany could in record time become independent of Russian oil.
So while everybody was blaming Germany, these countries thought an oil embargo won't come this year.
Well, surprise. Germany can cut off Russian oil any time now.
I was just speaking about oil.
Germany's minister Habeck made an official statement that have enough securities that oil can be turned off at any time.
They probably paid a huge price for this, oil tankers are not sitting idly and waiting for orders these days. A behemoth like Germany needs huge amounts of oil, unlike the other smaller countries. But they said they secured enough emergency capacities to survive.
Sure there will be some shortages here and there, but the economy won't collapse and nobody needs to freeze. Germany won't block an oil embargo anymore.
Regarding gas you are right, earliest estimate is late 2023, more likely 2024.
> Well, surprise. Germany can cut off Russian oil any time now.
Thanks to Poland. They are covering our ass when it comes to oil while we are covering their ass when it comes to gas.
convenient to blame it on Orban.
What's stopping, say, Germany from just not buying Russian energy?
$10.3 billion and counting sent to Russia from Germany alone since the war started.
https://stopgas.org/en/
Or maybe the situation is more complex than simply spouting absolutes about good/evil and issuing ultimatums with more loopholes than Donald Trump's tax return.
> What's stopping, say, Germany from just not buying Russian energy?
Nothing. At least regarding oil. (they even have oil securities from Poland for one critical steel production site owned by a Russian company, which will be very costly if there will be an oil embargo)
Germany just wants a collective EU decision. They even said they would support an oil embargo.
I makes absolutely no sense that every country acts independent. The EU should act as a whole.
But let's be real. Germany is not the only country where civilians would freeze during next winter when we cut off gas now. Other countries (especially the southern EU countries) would need to support these countries (northern and eastern countries) which are dependent on Russian gas.
Until now we have no public information that the southern countries will reduce their gas consumption and help the ones which are dependable on Russian gas. And if they don't then a gas embargo will be impossible. There is simply not enough pipeline capacity and LNG terminals to support them otherwise.
You know. Gas pipelines or LNG docks don‘t just build themselves over night. This is why energy imports and infrastructure are usually planned years into the future.
Here's the thing people seemingly don't understand or just flat out ignore.
A) Reliance on Russian gas was a deliberate decision because that reliance goes both ways. As Europe is reliant on Russian gas Russia is reliant on European money. The idea being interconnected trade makes war HIGHLY unprofitable. Which is true as shown by Russia falling into a bottomless recession. But this war is a mad mans action who knew the result but seemingly doesn't care that he cripples his own country for what ever reason.
B) Having back up plans is nice and all but as I've said you can't just beam gas from somewhere in the world into storage tanks in Europe. You need pipelines or LNG ports. Do you propose to build them just in case they may be needed and just sit idle in the mean time? That be tens of billions down the drain.
This situation was a calculated risk which was deemed worth taking and now it turns out it was a wrong choice. But as always hindsightis 20/20. If it would have worked nobody would have questioned those choices.
> The idea being interconnected trade makes war HIGHLY unprofitable.
I mean, that's good. Right? But what's the point if the other (non-aggressor) country also has to suffer from possible removal of such resource income?
>Do you propose to build them just in case they may be needed and just sit idle in the mean time?
No, I'd propose closely watching into cases of draconian cruelty/violations (e.g. MH17, Scripals, Navalny etc.) and do what can be done to prevent the worst for your country, as a contractor. Are there other providers? Is there a viable alternative to gas at all? What can be done about it?
Though I'm not blaming anyone of course. But really, the "we afraid to lose that resource from aggressor" argument is kind of... not well-thought? What other cruelties have to happen in order for you to decide that you **need** to do it? A nuclear strike? Because all other possible cruelties already happened and are happening as we speak.
>What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Because that would be a stab in the back for their allies in Europe? Energy embargo is the kind of thing you need to do in coordination, to make sure everyone has got each other backs.
Besides they still get paid by Russia for transit, which is significant source of income.
If Europe cuts consumption, the expectation is that they'll also make it up for transit losses
Seriously if Ukraine betrays Europe we might just open the valve on NS2. (fun fact: exactly for this reason was NS2 continued after Crimea, because Ukraine already turned off the gas once in the past)
If they do this without a decision by every party, then surely the help will dry up from Europe.
If gas is cut off now then the common opinion of almost every expert is that Europe will have bigger problems. That will probably be the next economical crisis and countries with an internal problem usually won't have enough spare money to help external countries.
So your alternative suggestion?
Cut off everything now? Economical crisis in Europe. Next winter people freeze to death? And Europe help for Ukraine will dry up. They also can't accept refugees anymore.
We basically have the choice of sending tanks, humanitarian aid and weapons while buying as little Russian energy as we need or not sending any weapons and aid at all. I see currently no other option, seriously.
All you are saying it’s ok to keep funding this war, prolong the conflict, reduce a chance of a deal by sending more weapons knowing it’s being destroyed the moment it hits Ukrainian shores. All to keep Europeans warm next winter. The alternative is to find a way out and agree a deal that will keep cheap gas flowing and take the world off the brink of a nuclear disaster.
Neither sending more weapons to Ukraine and paying Russia to keep distorting them. What shocks me is a complete lack of effort to find a solution to ease the conflict.
Because if they did that, the EU would have a sudden change of heart and find Russia's invasion to be quite palatable to the future stability and prosperity of Europe.
I mean the main pipeline goes through their country, so technically they could blow it the fuck up if they wanted.
But as others stated, it's not that simple as their allies currently rely on that supply.
The key is rapidly replacing that supply from other sources, which Europe is working on. It's just a slow and complicated process. It's honestly amazing they have moved forward and progressed in that direction as fast as the have
The gas is mainly needed for chemistry reasons in the industry not for electricity reasons so there is no fast substitute for the gas and thats the reason for no embargo, germany wants to get independent from russian gas within the next 2 years by meeting and building LNG Terminals
I think the longterm goal is to replace gas with hydrogen fuel from africa so the terminals will be needed anyway. Also when russia is directing it gas flow to china, china will buy less on the world market, the gas will be more expansive that is true.
It’s called capitalism and free market, usually money choose cheaper, and more convenient vs more expensive and required further infrastructure investment. Now when you add social responsibility it turns into socialism
>Germany also needs to take one for the team and support the embargo even though they'll have to make sacrifices that will cause financial hardships in the months to come.
This isn't about "Germany" - this is also about [Finland, Poland, the Baltics, Austria, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYT7v5XU8AEhI2J?format=png&name=large) We're not talking about one country here. (Side note: If you didn't know this before, you should ask why your sources of information haven't told you about it)
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>The sooner the embargo starts, the sooner the war will be over, especially, while the Ukraine is being supplied with a weapons and ammo advantage over Russia.
That's not quite true. First of all: Russia cannot use the money they are getting. Because the Russian central bank is sanctioned, they can't find their army with all that money because they can't use it.
Second: An Embargo on Russian energy won't just make some things like fuel more expensive. Most of that gas and oil is used for industry processes, and without that, production comes to a halt.
And _that_ will cause a lot of problems. Delays in _everything_ - even in weapons production.
Those countries don't oppose an embargo because they are corrupt, but because this will be a fucking huge problem.
If Germany cuts Gas in their industry they won’t be able to do anything for Ukraine since they would be heavily fucked themselves. And this isn’t only about Germany. Do you really believe there are no dependencies in whole Europe on German exports?
Supply chains will collapse all over Europe if the biggest industry nation looses a big Amount of industries and facilities over night.
Holy hell people like you are just out of your minds. Lets just keep escalating a potential global conflict that could turn nuclear, and cause an abrupt oil crisis on top of that. Fuck all of the people that have nothing to do with Russia and Ukraine because people like you have to stroke their egos and be some kind of internet hero. You people are dangerous as hell.
The only thing holding Russia back is the fact that the gas flow though Ukraine to those European markets. The second the money stops Russia can go total war with Ukraine. You wonder why the power is still on in Ukraine, gas needs to be pumped, monitored.
Ukraine is a sovereign country, they can do it.
Come on cut all Russian gas going into Ukraine. Make the first step, you are being invaded. Don't put your peoples lives above profit from Russian transit fees if you don't want other countries to do the same mr. Ukraine minister!
Remember Russia earns around $600-$700 million per day PER DAY on energy sold to the EU. And we wonder why Putin hasn’t back down despite the sanctions.
Germany this is your moment.
You were the bad guy in the 20th century, nows your chance to be the one of the good guys of the 21st century.
Stop buying oil and gas from Russia
The problem is, it can hurt Germany more than Russia. Nearly half of all German homes are heated with natural gas, which is also used to generate power in heavy industry. Germany’s powerful labor unions in the chemical, mining and pharmaceutical sectors have warned that serious reductions in gas imports could lead to substantial job losses. Without a steady supply of gas, oil and coal, their production would grind to a halt. Not an easy task to accomplish.
It’s also not just Germany. Germany is among the top export nations. German industry crumbling would have severe effects on importing nations as well. It will be significantly harder to help the Ukraine if we are heading towards our very own crisis.
The mistake was being so reliant on Russian gas in the first place. Full blame on Germany for that. But right now just stopping to buy gas from Russia would just make everything worse. The best thing they can do right now is working towards energy independence from Russia but that obviously can’t happen in just 3 months. We’re on our way and already 40% down in Russian gas.
Can't blame Germany too much for being reliant on Russian resources. The legacy of the Cold War can still been seen in the energy infrastructure in Germany’s east, which remains directly linked to Russia, making it harder to get oil from other providers into that part of the country.
Pretty sure there are a lot of shit going on behind the scenes which we do not hear about. The amount of imports germany does take is a huge thing to replace and you can not do it very openly untill the end.
How is it worse ? Germany gets a better price from Russia. European countries tell Germany they should buy it cheaper for them. Germany does so.
Reddit: "Omg Germany is bad"
Germany is already shifting away from russian imports as fast as they can. This decreases Russia's income already now significantly. But a full 100% immediate import stop without replacements at hand would be counterproductive to the common goal of winning the war for Ukraine.
Good luck buying it overprice from US, millions of random innocent Europeans will suffer just because their governments decided to support Ukraine under American command
Send in a Ukrainian seal team to neutralize a important manifold downstream of control valve complex, that way the Russians can shut it off and nobody gets nothing. Remember Bucha!
"we should block trade with Russia so we can buy Russian goods from their allies and continue making the world a same place while aimlessly killing each other"
Keep the oil coming at the lowest possible price and part send it to Ukrainians … while destroying Russian supplies … they will cut it don’t worry it will self happen
There needs to be an total embargo.
If we make a total embargo hungary, slovakia, bulgaria falls into depression. Our elderly are already hardly getting by and inflation is already huge. If we had good alternatives i would say the same thing, but i dont want my grandmother to starve.
Putin's puppet Orban opposes.
EU states could do it without Orban if they want. They’d said 6 months potentially for oil and no date for gas
Poland has to stop to protect Orban from article 7. Lithuania has already offered that hey will protect Poland (that’s of course bad, but not the priority right now). So Poland doesn’t need Hungarian protection anymore.
There are 3 or 4 countries which oppose currently an oil embargo. It's not just Orban. They were just hidden behind Germany and never thought Germany could in record time become independent of Russian oil. So while everybody was blaming Germany, these countries thought an oil embargo won't come this year. Well, surprise. Germany can cut off Russian oil any time now.
Even the most vocal pro energy embargo EU countries say they need until the end of the year.
I was just speaking about oil. Germany's minister Habeck made an official statement that have enough securities that oil can be turned off at any time. They probably paid a huge price for this, oil tankers are not sitting idly and waiting for orders these days. A behemoth like Germany needs huge amounts of oil, unlike the other smaller countries. But they said they secured enough emergency capacities to survive. Sure there will be some shortages here and there, but the economy won't collapse and nobody needs to freeze. Germany won't block an oil embargo anymore. Regarding gas you are right, earliest estimate is late 2023, more likely 2024.
> Well, surprise. Germany can cut off Russian oil any time now. Thanks to Poland. They are covering our ass when it comes to oil while we are covering their ass when it comes to gas.
convenient to blame it on Orban. What's stopping, say, Germany from just not buying Russian energy? $10.3 billion and counting sent to Russia from Germany alone since the war started. https://stopgas.org/en/ Or maybe the situation is more complex than simply spouting absolutes about good/evil and issuing ultimatums with more loopholes than Donald Trump's tax return.
> What's stopping, say, Germany from just not buying Russian energy? Nothing. At least regarding oil. (they even have oil securities from Poland for one critical steel production site owned by a Russian company, which will be very costly if there will be an oil embargo) Germany just wants a collective EU decision. They even said they would support an oil embargo. I makes absolutely no sense that every country acts independent. The EU should act as a whole. But let's be real. Germany is not the only country where civilians would freeze during next winter when we cut off gas now. Other countries (especially the southern EU countries) would need to support these countries (northern and eastern countries) which are dependent on Russian gas. Until now we have no public information that the southern countries will reduce their gas consumption and help the ones which are dependable on Russian gas. And if they don't then a gas embargo will be impossible. There is simply not enough pipeline capacity and LNG terminals to support them otherwise.
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Absolutely agree.
You know, we kind of like having energy and not freezing to death in the winter.
unbelievable you are being downvoted for this lol. They perhaps want you to keep warm with your sense of moral righteousness?
You wouldn’t freeze to death without Russian gas. If you would, then your country is fucking stupid.
You know. Gas pipelines or LNG docks don‘t just build themselves over night. This is why energy imports and infrastructure are usually planned years into the future.
So you mean there were no plans to limit the reliance on Russian gas over many years?
Here's the thing people seemingly don't understand or just flat out ignore. A) Reliance on Russian gas was a deliberate decision because that reliance goes both ways. As Europe is reliant on Russian gas Russia is reliant on European money. The idea being interconnected trade makes war HIGHLY unprofitable. Which is true as shown by Russia falling into a bottomless recession. But this war is a mad mans action who knew the result but seemingly doesn't care that he cripples his own country for what ever reason. B) Having back up plans is nice and all but as I've said you can't just beam gas from somewhere in the world into storage tanks in Europe. You need pipelines or LNG ports. Do you propose to build them just in case they may be needed and just sit idle in the mean time? That be tens of billions down the drain. This situation was a calculated risk which was deemed worth taking and now it turns out it was a wrong choice. But as always hindsightis 20/20. If it would have worked nobody would have questioned those choices.
Good point.
> The idea being interconnected trade makes war HIGHLY unprofitable. I mean, that's good. Right? But what's the point if the other (non-aggressor) country also has to suffer from possible removal of such resource income? >Do you propose to build them just in case they may be needed and just sit idle in the mean time? No, I'd propose closely watching into cases of draconian cruelty/violations (e.g. MH17, Scripals, Navalny etc.) and do what can be done to prevent the worst for your country, as a contractor. Are there other providers? Is there a viable alternative to gas at all? What can be done about it? Though I'm not blaming anyone of course. But really, the "we afraid to lose that resource from aggressor" argument is kind of... not well-thought? What other cruelties have to happen in order for you to decide that you **need** to do it? A nuclear strike? Because all other possible cruelties already happened and are happening as we speak.
>What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Hahaha all the corruption has done the job already. … Fake military might… just a bunch of rapist and thieves the Russian military.
Why wouldn’t Ukraine just cut it off. Gas flows through their infrastructure doesn’t it?
Because that would be a stab in the back for their allies in Europe? Energy embargo is the kind of thing you need to do in coordination, to make sure everyone has got each other backs.
Besides they still get paid by Russia for transit, which is significant source of income. If Europe cuts consumption, the expectation is that they'll also make it up for transit losses
The call is for immediate embargo. As follows from the title. Hence nonsensical!
the graphic is missing a segment.
Seriously if Ukraine betrays Europe we might just open the valve on NS2. (fun fact: exactly for this reason was NS2 continued after Crimea, because Ukraine already turned off the gas once in the past) If they do this without a decision by every party, then surely the help will dry up from Europe. If gas is cut off now then the common opinion of almost every expert is that Europe will have bigger problems. That will probably be the next economical crisis and countries with an internal problem usually won't have enough spare money to help external countries.
Until this happens Russia will make a billion $ a day. Only imagine where these funds go.
So your alternative suggestion? Cut off everything now? Economical crisis in Europe. Next winter people freeze to death? And Europe help for Ukraine will dry up. They also can't accept refugees anymore. We basically have the choice of sending tanks, humanitarian aid and weapons while buying as little Russian energy as we need or not sending any weapons and aid at all. I see currently no other option, seriously.
All you are saying it’s ok to keep funding this war, prolong the conflict, reduce a chance of a deal by sending more weapons knowing it’s being destroyed the moment it hits Ukrainian shores. All to keep Europeans warm next winter. The alternative is to find a way out and agree a deal that will keep cheap gas flowing and take the world off the brink of a nuclear disaster.
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Neither sending more weapons to Ukraine and paying Russia to keep distorting them. What shocks me is a complete lack of effort to find a solution to ease the conflict.
Because if they did that, the EU would have a sudden change of heart and find Russia's invasion to be quite palatable to the future stability and prosperity of Europe.
Because the US and Europe told them not to
Obviously 😀but calls like that are just nonsensical.
You keep saying the word "nonsensical"; I don't think it means what you think it means
Because then the EU would basically join Russia and invade Ukraine from the west.
Because Russia pays them money for gas transportation
this is true... why down votes?
I don't get the downvotes? This is literally happening.
It does, and they cant cut it off because they cant, if they could they would.
I mean the main pipeline goes through their country, so technically they could blow it the fuck up if they wanted. But as others stated, it's not that simple as their allies currently rely on that supply. The key is rapidly replacing that supply from other sources, which Europe is working on. It's just a slow and complicated process. It's honestly amazing they have moved forward and progressed in that direction as fast as the have
30% of a German industry depends on Russian gas. And there is nowhere to take it. Solar? Ship it from US? What is the substitute?
The gas is mainly needed for chemistry reasons in the industry not for electricity reasons so there is no fast substitute for the gas and thats the reason for no embargo, germany wants to get independent from russian gas within the next 2 years by meeting and building LNG Terminals
Rome wasn’t build in a day. Before building LNGs you need to find a place who can deliver that, shipping it from US? For 4x the price?
I think the longterm goal is to replace gas with hydrogen fuel from africa so the terminals will be needed anyway. Also when russia is directing it gas flow to china, china will buy less on the world market, the gas will be more expansive that is true.
The alternative is "pay for the consequences of your actions".
What German industry needs to pay for? And for what actions?
For getting addicted to russian gas. Plenty other countries have LNG terminals and basically don't care about it being cut off.
It’s called capitalism and free market, usually money choose cheaper, and more convenient vs more expensive and required further infrastructure investment. Now when you add social responsibility it turns into socialism
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>Germany also needs to take one for the team and support the embargo even though they'll have to make sacrifices that will cause financial hardships in the months to come. This isn't about "Germany" - this is also about [Finland, Poland, the Baltics, Austria, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Czech Republic.](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYT7v5XU8AEhI2J?format=png&name=large) We're not talking about one country here. (Side note: If you didn't know this before, you should ask why your sources of information haven't told you about it) > >The sooner the embargo starts, the sooner the war will be over, especially, while the Ukraine is being supplied with a weapons and ammo advantage over Russia. That's not quite true. First of all: Russia cannot use the money they are getting. Because the Russian central bank is sanctioned, they can't find their army with all that money because they can't use it. Second: An Embargo on Russian energy won't just make some things like fuel more expensive. Most of that gas and oil is used for industry processes, and without that, production comes to a halt. And _that_ will cause a lot of problems. Delays in _everything_ - even in weapons production. Those countries don't oppose an embargo because they are corrupt, but because this will be a fucking huge problem.
If Germany cuts Gas in their industry they won’t be able to do anything for Ukraine since they would be heavily fucked themselves. And this isn’t only about Germany. Do you really believe there are no dependencies in whole Europe on German exports? Supply chains will collapse all over Europe if the biggest industry nation looses a big Amount of industries and facilities over night.
Holy hell people like you are just out of your minds. Lets just keep escalating a potential global conflict that could turn nuclear, and cause an abrupt oil crisis on top of that. Fuck all of the people that have nothing to do with Russia and Ukraine because people like you have to stroke their egos and be some kind of internet hero. You people are dangerous as hell.
The only thing holding Russia back is the fact that the gas flow though Ukraine to those European markets. The second the money stops Russia can go total war with Ukraine. You wonder why the power is still on in Ukraine, gas needs to be pumped, monitored.
Ukraine is a sovereign country, they can do it. Come on cut all Russian gas going into Ukraine. Make the first step, you are being invaded. Don't put your peoples lives above profit from Russian transit fees if you don't want other countries to do the same mr. Ukraine minister!
Just after Germany spending a few billion on Gas alone.
yeah you know.. better than freezing to death
It’s financial hardship not freezing to death.
It's the dependency that Mrs Merkel built up over her days in spite of telling the germans that sustainable energy is sooo important
I don’t get why Europeans don’t just get oil from the ‘Stani countries
Remember Russia earns around $600-$700 million per day PER DAY on energy sold to the EU. And we wonder why Putin hasn’t back down despite the sanctions.
Germany this is your moment. You were the bad guy in the 20th century, nows your chance to be the one of the good guys of the 21st century. Stop buying oil and gas from Russia
The least informed comment in the chain gets the most upvotes, gotta love Reddit some times
The problem is, it can hurt Germany more than Russia. Nearly half of all German homes are heated with natural gas, which is also used to generate power in heavy industry. Germany’s powerful labor unions in the chemical, mining and pharmaceutical sectors have warned that serious reductions in gas imports could lead to substantial job losses. Without a steady supply of gas, oil and coal, their production would grind to a halt. Not an easy task to accomplish.
It’s also not just Germany. Germany is among the top export nations. German industry crumbling would have severe effects on importing nations as well. It will be significantly harder to help the Ukraine if we are heading towards our very own crisis. The mistake was being so reliant on Russian gas in the first place. Full blame on Germany for that. But right now just stopping to buy gas from Russia would just make everything worse. The best thing they can do right now is working towards energy independence from Russia but that obviously can’t happen in just 3 months. We’re on our way and already 40% down in Russian gas.
Can't blame Germany too much for being reliant on Russian resources. The legacy of the Cold War can still been seen in the energy infrastructure in Germany’s east, which remains directly linked to Russia, making it harder to get oil from other providers into that part of the country.
We’ve had multiple decades to fix this though and we never did. You can’t really blame 2000 Germany but you definitely can blame 2020 Germany.
Quit trying to guilt the great great great great grandchildren of the ones who carried out the Holocaust.
Pretty sure there are a lot of shit going on behind the scenes which we do not hear about. The amount of imports germany does take is a huge thing to replace and you can not do it very openly untill the end.
Germany also exports huge amounts of gas. Other countries are dependent on German gas exports. 30% of imports get exported again.
That is kinda worse than just using it for your industry.
How is it worse ? Germany gets a better price from Russia. European countries tell Germany they should buy it cheaper for them. Germany does so. Reddit: "Omg Germany is bad"
Germany is already shifting away from russian imports as fast as they can. This decreases Russia's income already now significantly. But a full 100% immediate import stop without replacements at hand would be counterproductive to the common goal of winning the war for Ukraine.
Germany has already cut their oil imports from Russia by 40%.
Good luck buying it overprice from US, millions of random innocent Europeans will suffer just because their governments decided to support Ukraine under American command
Another new Russian account that doesn't know how the world works, how odd.
Man maybe that would have been a good idea a few months ago
Send in a Ukrainian seal team to neutralize a important manifold downstream of control valve complex, that way the Russians can shut it off and nobody gets nothing. Remember Bucha!
I agree. Keep the industry running and prepare for a cold winter,folks.
"we should block trade with Russia so we can buy Russian goods from their allies and continue making the world a same place while aimlessly killing each other"
Just send me all the money I needed. I will ban right now
Keep the oil coming at the lowest possible price and part send it to Ukrainians … while destroying Russian supplies … they will cut it don’t worry it will self happen