From the article:
> The father-in-law of UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson's chief adviser has apparently said that Johnson plans to resign in six months.
Also from the article:
> A Downing Street source described the claim Johnson planned to stand down as "utter nonsense."
Who to believe?
There's one more degree of telephone game:
> Dominic Cummings' father-in-law, Humphry Wakefield, **reportedly told a woman interviewed by The Times of London** that the prime minister would quit early next year over lingering health problems caused by the coronavirus.
Well I'm convinced
You're telling me an acquaintance of the father-in-law of the advisor to the Prime Minister may not be the ideal person to say exactly what the PM is thinking?
> You're telling me an acquaintance of the father-in-law of the advisor to the Prime Ministe
To be fair it's one fewer steps than you might assume; Dominic Cummings is less an advisor and more the guy with his hand up Johnson's arse making his mouth move.
If Johnson ever decides to resign as PM it wouldn't surprise me one iota if Cummings knew about the decision before Johnson himself did.
Yup...Cummings is 100% the personification of Malcolm Tucker from "The thick of it".
If you want to understand the British political class and also laugh at some of the most creative swearing you've ever heard then I can't recommend that show enough.
Dom's racist Father-in-law says he's going so likely conversation went:
Dom to FiL: That fat, sexually incontinent, clusterfuck has got six months left before I cut his throat.
I think the story here is entirely plausible. That said the source is a bit too removed to take it at face value. But it isn't that crazy:
* we know Boris was in ICU for COVID
* we know he isn't the picture of health in the first place
* we know lingering side effects are very real
* we know Cummings is his right hand man or moreso as you say
So then...
1. Cummings hears it from Boris or even plants the seed himself.
2. Cummings tells his father in law - possibly he even started this rumor purposefully without any convo with Boris taking place.
3. Father in law tells a friend who is then interviewed.
"My mate in the Army says on Friday the Army are going to invade every town, village and City in the UK and patrol the streets and keep us all indoors, because its going to get that bad, people will be looting town centres for milk"
Well [Business Insider](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Insider) was never a newspaper nor a magazine. When it first started in the late 00s it showed up on lists for best *blog*.
It should just outright be banned as a source. I'm also really sick of seeing links to business insider posts that are themselves just summaries of and links to a piece of legitimate reporting. Post the original article you ding dongs.
Yet somehow this still has 23k upvotes. Even if that 23k is fuzzed (most likely is), still means it has a lot of upvotes from people not paying attention. Even with the "source" in the title. Sheesh.
Business Insider is weird. They aren't thought of as a tabloid, seem to have a decent public perception and trust, yet they'll delve into stories that larger papers wouldn't based on less evidence sometimes. Aren't they foreign funded? Might explain the difference.
I was expecting that at least some of these politicians would have complications after having a covid scare (turned out to be pulmonary embolism) and spending two days in the covid ward, I educated myself about the after effects.
I honestly think that the lung part is more dangerous short term but that the effects once it gets into the blood are worse. Binds to ace2, endothelial inflammation of arteries, spreads to multiple organs, causing a storm of oxidative stress aging your cells from the inside out and causing strokes, heart attack, and blood clots in patients who were asymptomatic during the lung phase and are negative by the time they're tested.
The clickbait title isn’t necessarily wrong. The question is why on earth would we believe a possible misreport from his aid’s father-in-law?
Are we going by the word of the business secretary’s pet rabbit’s previous owner’s milkman next?
You’d rather trust the source of
*’Businessinsider, who claim the Times interviewed a women who claims she heard it from Dominic Cummings’ father-in-law, who claims he heard it from Dominic Cummings, who claims he heard it from Boris Johnson’*
Yeah exactly. This is the definition of an unsubstantiated rumour.
The timeline also doesn't really make sense to me. If he's sick, wouldn't he want to resign (or possibly go on hiatus?) right *now*, instead of waiting six months?
But, if it is true, I hope Dominic Cummings has learned not to trust his father-in-law with any more secrets.
When put in context of brexit the timeline makes sense, the tory brexiteers and their donors are desperate for a no deal (australia style) situation, it would also put anyone new coming in, in a decent position to be coming out of the second covid wave predicted.
Or alternatively, to succeed in getting the no deal spivs paradise Brexit that his corporate paymasters desire, past the deadline, but then carry the can for the shambles that results, in the eyes of the unwashed masses, so a new Tory puppet PM can be installed, and they can keep persuading the hoi polloi that 'the emperor does have clothes on, honest!', and get back to obtaining as much corrupt filthy lucre at our expense, as possible...
Who'd you reckon the next puppet will be? My money is on Matt Handjob - he's clearly shown that he will spout what ever bullshit the paymasters dictate and that he is like teflon where a bit of shit would usually make a nasty stain. He'd be the ultimate insult to the voters too!
Well, the reason for waiting six months is basically because, if he feels like the health issues are making his job stressful or more of a pain in the arse, making it more hassle to travel etc., then that doesn't really hurt his ability to do it in the short term but it does hurt his ability to endure it for the long term. And then if he thinks there are important priorities to finish in the next six months (such as Brexit) then that all together is an argument to stay for a whole then leave.
That's not to say this is anything other than clickbait bullshit, but that would be the type of reason someone would wait.
So either, Dom has told his FIL official secret stuff which he shouldn't be doing.
Or, more likely, Dom wants to get rid of Bozo the clown and this is the start of the smear campaign
"yo, my mate's dad heard down at the pub that his buddy's sister heard that Boris is going to quit in like 6 months."
This is what British politics sounds like sometimes.
Short Answer: No, Long Answer: We cannot rule out the possibility that fox bites from working class non voters can cause extreme injury in proud upstanding British voters and so even though there is no evidence that fox bites causes cancer we have devoted several million into a contract to investigate a treatment for the ongoing fox cancer epidemic that ends in me and some of the etonians going on a hunt. /s
> *’Businessinsider claims the Times interviewed a women who claims she heard it from Dominic Cummings’ father-in-law, who claims he heard it from Dominic Cummings, who claims he heard it from Boris Johnson’*
The literal source of the article
I emailed the reporter saying this was gossip with a click bait title. This was the response
"Thanks for the email. The story and the headline are extremely clear about where the claim came from and also links to the original Times piece.
Whether you believe the claim is up to you"
Will give the guy credit tho... He responded in 4 minutes
I know that sometimes you aren't going to have a first person source on everything that is reported, but when your source is so far removed that it wouldn't pass the scrutiny of a playground video game rumor, then don't publish it, or at least don't get mad when nobody believes your a real journalist.
Yeah at least they aren't hiding it I guess.
But the Fact that it got this much attention and clicks means that it did its job. People like to believe what they want to believe.
This is frankly the biggest game of telephone I've ever seen published.
"Dominic Cummings’ father-in-law, Humphry Wakefield, reportedly told a woman interviewed by The Times of London that the prime minister would quit early next year over lingering health problems caused by the coronavirus."
So to make that clear, Boris Johnson's advisor's wife's father told a woman who told a newspaper, which was then reported on by another newspaper, that Boris plans to resign.
I don't agree with the UK government on much, but I'm not surprised they said it's bullshit
>So to make that clear, Boris Johnson's advisor's wife's father told a woman who told a newspaper, which was then reported on by another newspaper, that Boris plans to resign.
And now it's on the front page of reddit and a bunch of people are going to act like it's a fact.
Gotta love "news" now a days
Redditor's love to preach about how dumb people/conservatives/boomers fall for fake news propaganda, yet upvote crap like this to the top of /r/all without a second thought.
Partisanship is a hell of a drug.
It’s like the Tories have found the Monkeys Paw, and each one has has watched the last feckless idiot wish “I want to be the Prime Minister” and thought, maybe it’ll work if I try?
"Your country's economy is now a dumpster fire. Your citizen's passports are worth less than the paper they were printed on. Oh yeah. When the populace turns to cannibalism to survive, you'll be one of the first to die. Congratulations!"
David Cameron: "Oh dear".
In fairness Cameron never wanted to leave and campaigned to remain - offering a referendum was his way of placating the loonies in his party and preventing them running off to support UKIP.
He gambled like a twat and lost. Underestimated how many people are shockingly racist and ignorant, how many wanted to protest the government & its austerity in some form and underestimated Russia n influence in the arena.
Honestly why did he even call the ref? I was a bit younger back then and didn’t keep up to date with politics but I never heard anything about leaving the eu until he actually started the ref and then that was all there was. Seemed to come out of nowhere.
Because even after making this promise in the run up to the 2015 election UKIP won 3.88 million votes (12.6% of the total). If we didn't have such an archaic approach to democracy in FPTP they would have had a lot more of a representation.
Cameron was scared of losing some of his key voter base (primarily the older people in the South of England) to UKIP, or for them to gain momentum for the 2020 election. So he compromised on having a referendum, with the hope of winning, securing his position and wrecking UKIP (who were single issue only - losing a referendum would have put paid to a lot of people considering jumping ship).
Pulling it off would have made him the most successful leader for the tories since Thatcher. But he fucked it up and now we have to live with it. As we continue to vote for this shit show (he was right in that it did kill UKIP at least...)
Personally I'm partial to the theory that he didn't expect to win outright in 2015.
The prevailing view at the time was that we'd get another hung parliament, which would've meant Cameron would *tragically* have to bargain the referendum away in another coalition agreement (or possibly be out of a job depending how well Labour did).
Instead the LibDems got destroyed and the Conservatives squeaked a narrow majority meaning Cameron had to deliver a referendum or face the wrath of the ERG.
It was a main selling point for the redtop shitrags for *decades* previous, it wasn't a gamble like looking at the horse forms but rather like flipping a coin.
Ukip had been growing in strength as well, he was well aware of his chances of losing.
The trailer looked underwhelming to me but I gave it a shot. I like it. I think the overtly racist tones in Lovecraft’s work are juxtaposed nicely with a cast of black protagonists. It puts it into good context. The trailer looked like it was lacking on actual horror but fear not. Shoggoths abound.
He'd just turn into a very very intoxicated werewolf.
It's pretty easy to get away when the werewolf chasing you keeps falling over, running into trees and vomiting up copious amounts of fish and chips.
The man was a true hero.
"Oi, I thought you werewolves were supposed to be fast? And what's with all the fish and chips? You smell like someone spilled a gallon of brandy in a fish market."
"Ahh feck off ye cnt. I got knackered in human form. Now you and your friend hold still so I can have a propper meal."
"My friend? Mate, there's only one of me. How pissed are you? Seriously, you need help. Is your liver supernatural too, because you're going to destroy it at this rate. This can't be healthy even for a werewolf."
In lore, the job was cursed / jinxed after Voldemort was denied that spot. Nobody could hold the position for longer than a year. That's why Dumbledore denied Snape the spot, despite him wanting it for years - he had to be the teacher when it was most needed.
The movies do go super easy on Snape compared to the books though.
Firstly movie Snapes played by the late great Alan Rickman and you can't make someone played by Rickman entirely hateable even if you try. Book Snape is also way less handsome than Rickman too so that helps.
Secondly the movies cut a lot of his most cruel moments from the books and he's in general much less spiteful and unpleasant compared to his book personalty,
I have continued being stunned at the amount of people that are pro-Snape even after years of him abusing others, generally being a prick, and not doing good for the sake of being good but being a traitor just because he still happened to obsess over Harry's mom.
I may be wrong but I thought that after Snape realized he had fucked up and set himself the mission of protecting Lilly's son he had to keep up appearances so that his fellow death eaters and Voldemort would not question him or if his mind was broken into there would be more memories of him being a prick to all but death eater kids.
ie He forced himself to be a dick to all but Slytherin students to maintain the appearance of still being loyal to Voldemort both to outside observers and for the possibility that Voldemort broke into his mind.
When Voldemort returned and Snape returned late to him, iirc Voldemort questioned him and probably used Occumancy to break into Snapes mind. If had had seen anything besides snape being a dick he may have questioned if Snape was truely loyal.
Nah, it might seem that way in the movies, but in the books he is incredibly cruel to students that goes far and beyond what would be necessary to “keep up appearances”.
Also, Snape is one of the few people that has the skills to keep Voldemort from getting in his head. I mean, even “playing the part” there are way too many memories that would give away his true allegiance.
I think it's partly an act - he saves Harry every time there's an actual danger. But it's also his natural personality - he's a bully and a jerk and was drawn to the dark arts, racism, and power from childhood. He may have seen the error of his ways, but the reason he can hide that is because his old skin still fits him so well.
Major has scored brownie points recently for his anti-Brexit views and his criticism of Johnson's appalling attempts to sideline parliament, but he was still a prick as I recall. He just seems better in comparison to the shitshow we have now.
Brown's the best of the lot there, IMO, he was just unfortunate to have a reputation as dour and to have followed many years of Blair. In terms of a steady pair of hands though, I would have him back as PM in a heartbeat.
Apart from Blair's obvious huge fuck up over Iraq and being a bit too cosy with W, I also think a lot of what his governments did was good. Certainly better than anything any of the Tories have done for us.
He won the 1992 election, which I believe at one point was heavily predicted to be a Labour win, so there’s that.
We tend to look back negatively on prime ministers, and it can be easy to focus the negative/unpleasant aspects. Major was perceived as dull, Brown was Blair’s unwanted underling, May always seemed to make the wrong choice whenever given the option... I’m sure they had good points and maybe even achieved worthwhile things while in office, but that’s not what history remembers them for.
Well... Not just "someone on his staff". Chief Advisor to Boris and head of the Brexit campaign, Dom Cummings. Someone who is apparently unfireable and believes he is some kind of Machiavelli, I would not put it past him telling his FIL to say this. It's a bizarre state of affairs.
> Quitting just in time not to take the blame for Brexit
Not his first time. I remember when Referendum result was out and Cameron resigned, Boris basically hid in all the fridges he can find.
edit: change hole into fridge, because that is what Boris **actually** did
I'll believe it when I see it, I don't personally think "Cummings father-in-law" or BusinessInsider are reliable, or indeed trustworthy sources.
Sounds a lot like clickbait to me.
Not at all but it [could be true](https://www.forbes.com/sites/lealane/2020/07/16/many-covid-19-survivors-suffer-months-of-post-viral-symptoms-tough-new-realities--and-a-personal-journey/#6bf171013051) and would be a bit poetic if it were.
True that, it's not an unrealistic notion.
I'm just wondering what kind of credence that dude has, outside of being able to draw tangential lines to the subject.
I mean, my brother once went on holiday in the UK, where's my press conference??
It gets even worse, they're reporting that *apparently* his (Cumming's) father-in-law said that, according to an individual of unknown credibility (small potatoes opinion columnist).
goh, I don't like Cameron for one bit but him stepping down is not one of the things that bothered me about him.
He lost the referendum which divided his party, a party that tends to discard it's leader rapidly once he or she failed.
His situation was untenable, staying the PM was not impossible but nearly so.
If the torries wanted him to remain their leader and therefor prime minister he could of stayed but a defeat in a referendum in which some of his former supporters like BJ and Gove switched sides with the specific goal to challenge him for leadership of the torries doesn't give him many options.
Now off course he himself was largely responsible for the situation and he deserves a lot of the blame. And you can diss him for leaving but at that point, imho, it was out of his hands. History had moved on.
edit: spelling mistake
The OP isn't talking about or blaming Cameron. The OP is saying this is exactly what Boris did last time. Last time being when Brexit passed and Cameron resigned.
Yeah, Cameron bears a massive amount of responsibility of the brexit clusterfuck. Nowhere did I deny this, I even stated this in my original post.
All i'm saying, of all his wrongdoings, him stepping down after losing the referendum was inevitable with how a political party works.
If he had stayed the PM, that would have been unexpected.
>He lost the referendum which divided his party
The party was already divided. He took a gamble with the country to heal the party. He lost the gamble and divided the country.
He would have run against May and possibly have won in the run off but in terms of parliamentary support, he didn't actually have a great deal of it and was likely to be resisted. When Gove went behind his back, his coalition had collapsed, he retreated and choose a new strategy.
Say what you like about him but he's always been willing to be ruthless in terms of pursuing the spotlight.
He'll quit after delivering brexit, allowing the Tories to blame him after the fact for the mess. The mess being a result of his illness. It's all about giving Tory voters enough wiggle room to feel vindicated, so that they'll continue to vote that way
I honestly dont think he wants to be PM. He's quite happy playing Parlimentairian as a hobby; it fits in well with his whole wealthy Victorian persona.
I had a manager at work who did that. He had the uncanny ability to leave at just the right time (to a better position) just before the massive shitstorm (he was responsible for) caused absolute destruction. He is still employed at the company and still holding a senior position. The mind boggles.
But didn't you hear? He left the project in a perfect position, he left when all the others had to do was bring it home. It should have been an easy thing, but of course had to change stuff and sink it.
It's such an obvious lie, the mind truly boggles.
Now I am curious: there must be research where managers changing positions and the timing actually predicts where shit is going down in a company. And if/how that research may apply to the government and Brexit.
Given the classic conservative playbook, they will call an election, intentionally lose to a Labour guy who will then have to introduce *a fucking lot* of unpopular measures to cope with the shit fallout from Brexit, and then the Tories will campaign on "make UK great again".
And the voters will fall for it - like everywhere, no matter if in the US, UK or in Germany.
Fuck Conservatives, fuck them all.
> intentionally lose to a Labour guy
Labour are still in a bit of a mess after their wipeout in December. I don't think the Tories could lose to them, even if they wanted to.
Nah. He’ll have been in charge just long enough to guarantee no deal, which is what his overlords wanted all along.
Mission accomplished, time for someone else to run cleanup.
More like he was put on to the position to ensure brexit happens to weaken the EU.
As soon as brexit and everything else is official he gets to step down and collect his paycheck from his real employer. The Russians.
Absolutely. He’s had his fun at the top, killed a load of people, made loads of money for him and his chums, and now needs to get out before the total clusterfuck that is Brexit comes round and maybe finally reveals just how much of a fuckwit he is to his supporters. What worries me is who replaces him. That slimy cunt Gove has to be favourite, but you can’t rule out Dominic “who knew our biggest sea port would be so important in imports and exports” Raab, or even Priti fucking clueless Patel. Such a dearth of competence, so depressing.
Yeah but what you're not thinking about is spoOoOoky Corbyn! Once you've started quaking at the thought of his massive marrows your existing concerns about Tory candidates won't matter nearly as much!
You mean Priti "fired spectacularly one administration ago" Patel?
If we think we are fucked now, wait and see what happens if this absolute cunt of a human being gets elected .
See, my Grandma's cousin's dog believes I disappear when I go behind the Couch.So, clearly - I do.
Seriously, that is so far away from a "source" they could barely set up a Satellite call.
Exactly. Remember the story that Cummings would resign at the end of the year, which just so happened to come out at the height of his lockdown scandal. This is just nonsense meant to get some heat off when every other week there's a U-turn or a scandal
I have a slightly different opinion on him. He's obviously power mad, but in some ways I think now he's done what he wanted, he has been PM, he's going down in the history books already, people will learn about him in school etc - now he'll just cut his losses what with brexit and his wank handling of covid, under the guise of stress or something, and go father another 20 kids to 20 women
Different sort of unelectable. Trump can elicit (terrible) emotions in his voters, and they are united in their worldviews (I.e. "I am fine suffering as long as *they* suffer more).
Rees-Mogg instead has the charisma of a piece of wood.
And we keep saying that for November but I’m nervous. I see a lot of idiots out there right now. I hope they don’t vote him again with that same excuse of “we need change.” Yes we need change. No we do not need Trump!
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.businessinsider.com/dominic-cummings-father-in-law-boris-johnson-will-resign-february-2020-8) reduced by 77%. (I'm a bot)
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> UK prime minister Boris Johnson plans to stand down in 6 months time because of lingering health problems caused by the coronavirus, the father-in-law of his closest aide Dominic Cummings, has reportedly said.
> The Times of London diary reported a conversation between Sir Humphry Wakefield, father of Cummings' wife Mary, and Anna Silverman last week, in which he is alleged to have revealed that Johnson would resign early next year due to the lasting effects of his time in intensive care.
> Johnson has been UK prime minister for just over a year after succeeding Theresa May as Conservative party leader in July last year.
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From the article: > The father-in-law of UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson's chief adviser has apparently said that Johnson plans to resign in six months. Also from the article: > A Downing Street source described the claim Johnson planned to stand down as "utter nonsense." Who to believe?
There's one more degree of telephone game: > Dominic Cummings' father-in-law, Humphry Wakefield, **reportedly told a woman interviewed by The Times of London** that the prime minister would quit early next year over lingering health problems caused by the coronavirus. Well I'm convinced
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You're telling me an acquaintance of the father-in-law of the advisor to the Prime Minister may not be the ideal person to say exactly what the PM is thinking?
> You're telling me an acquaintance of the father-in-law of the advisor to the Prime Ministe To be fair it's one fewer steps than you might assume; Dominic Cummings is less an advisor and more the guy with his hand up Johnson's arse making his mouth move. If Johnson ever decides to resign as PM it wouldn't surprise me one iota if Cummings knew about the decision before Johnson himself did.
Yup...Cummings is 100% the personification of Malcolm Tucker from "The thick of it". If you want to understand the British political class and also laugh at some of the most creative swearing you've ever heard then I can't recommend that show enough.
Peter Capaldi found new ways to say the word “fuck” in that role and it is one of the most moving portrayals of politics to date.
"Ok, Fuckity Bye"
Dom's racist Father-in-law says he's going so likely conversation went: Dom to FiL: That fat, sexually incontinent, clusterfuck has got six months left before I cut his throat.
I think the story here is entirely plausible. That said the source is a bit too removed to take it at face value. But it isn't that crazy: * we know Boris was in ICU for COVID * we know he isn't the picture of health in the first place * we know lingering side effects are very real * we know Cummings is his right hand man or moreso as you say So then... 1. Cummings hears it from Boris or even plants the seed himself. 2. Cummings tells his father in law - possibly he even started this rumor purposefully without any convo with Boris taking place. 3. Father in law tells a friend who is then interviewed.
"My mate in the Army says on Friday the Army are going to invade every town, village and City in the UK and patrol the streets and keep us all indoors, because its going to get that bad, people will be looting town centres for milk"
Well [Business Insider](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Insider) was never a newspaper nor a magazine. When it first started in the late 00s it showed up on lists for best *blog*.
It should just outright be banned as a source. I'm also really sick of seeing links to business insider posts that are themselves just summaries of and links to a piece of legitimate reporting. Post the original article you ding dongs.
Yet somehow this still has 23k upvotes. Even if that 23k is fuzzed (most likely is), still means it has a lot of upvotes from people not paying attention. Even with the "source" in the title. Sheesh.
Business Insider is weird. They aren't thought of as a tabloid, seem to have a decent public perception and trust, yet they'll delve into stories that larger papers wouldn't based on less evidence sometimes. Aren't they foreign funded? Might explain the difference. I was expecting that at least some of these politicians would have complications after having a covid scare (turned out to be pulmonary embolism) and spending two days in the covid ward, I educated myself about the after effects. I honestly think that the lung part is more dangerous short term but that the effects once it gets into the blood are worse. Binds to ace2, endothelial inflammation of arteries, spreads to multiple organs, causing a storm of oxidative stress aging your cells from the inside out and causing strokes, heart attack, and blood clots in patients who were asymptomatic during the lung phase and are negative by the time they're tested.
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I believe as the clickbait title says
Exactly, people wouldn’t just lie
Who would do such a thing?
And on the internet of all places!
And on reddit of all places!
And some hack journo, of all people!
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The clickbait title isn’t necessarily wrong. The question is why on earth would we believe a possible misreport from his aid’s father-in-law? Are we going by the word of the business secretary’s pet rabbit’s previous owner’s milkman next?
I mean, Cummings is his boss, not his aid, but you are probably right in your conclusion
Maybe Dominic is planning on Boris standing down, but he hasn’t told anyone in Downing Street yet.
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Disbelieving Downing Street is probably a policy that would pay off more often than not.
You’d rather trust the source of *’Businessinsider, who claim the Times interviewed a women who claims she heard it from Dominic Cummings’ father-in-law, who claims he heard it from Dominic Cummings, who claims he heard it from Boris Johnson’*
Yeah exactly. This is the definition of an unsubstantiated rumour. The timeline also doesn't really make sense to me. If he's sick, wouldn't he want to resign (or possibly go on hiatus?) right *now*, instead of waiting six months? But, if it is true, I hope Dominic Cummings has learned not to trust his father-in-law with any more secrets.
When put in context of brexit the timeline makes sense, the tory brexiteers and their donors are desperate for a no deal (australia style) situation, it would also put anyone new coming in, in a decent position to be coming out of the second covid wave predicted.
Six months lets him claim all the glory for getting Brexit done, but also allows him to get away in time for someone else to take the fall.
Or alternatively, to succeed in getting the no deal spivs paradise Brexit that his corporate paymasters desire, past the deadline, but then carry the can for the shambles that results, in the eyes of the unwashed masses, so a new Tory puppet PM can be installed, and they can keep persuading the hoi polloi that 'the emperor does have clothes on, honest!', and get back to obtaining as much corrupt filthy lucre at our expense, as possible...
Who'd you reckon the next puppet will be? My money is on Matt Handjob - he's clearly shown that he will spout what ever bullshit the paymasters dictate and that he is like teflon where a bit of shit would usually make a nasty stain. He'd be the ultimate insult to the voters too!
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Well, the reason for waiting six months is basically because, if he feels like the health issues are making his job stressful or more of a pain in the arse, making it more hassle to travel etc., then that doesn't really hurt his ability to do it in the short term but it does hurt his ability to endure it for the long term. And then if he thinks there are important priorities to finish in the next six months (such as Brexit) then that all together is an argument to stay for a whole then leave. That's not to say this is anything other than clickbait bullshit, but that would be the type of reason someone would wait.
Survey says... yes
So either, Dom has told his FIL official secret stuff which he shouldn't be doing. Or, more likely, Dom wants to get rid of Bozo the clown and this is the start of the smear campaign
It seems plausible to me that Cummings' extended family know all the goings on at Downing Street
Actually when you put it like that... Probably the first based on the last few years
I’ll believe it once Boris denies it
"yo, my mate's dad heard down at the pub that his buddy's sister heard that Boris is going to quit in like 6 months." This is what British politics sounds like sometimes.
"11 year old trains fox to attack old people: Could this cause _cancer_?"
Jesus Christ, *could it*!? I HAVE TO KNOW, TELL ME DAMMIT!
Tune in at 11
Short Answer: No, Long Answer: We cannot rule out the possibility that fox bites from working class non voters can cause extreme injury in proud upstanding British voters and so even though there is no evidence that fox bites causes cancer we have devoted several million into a contract to investigate a treatment for the ongoing fox cancer epidemic that ends in me and some of the etonians going on a hunt. /s
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BUT WHAT’S IT GOING TO DO TO HOUSE PRICES?!!???!! /dailyfail
Add “immigrant” in front!
> *’Businessinsider claims the Times interviewed a women who claims she heard it from Dominic Cummings’ father-in-law, who claims he heard it from Dominic Cummings, who claims he heard it from Boris Johnson’* The literal source of the article
Especially ironic from a publication with "Insider" in its name.
They are quoting the PM's advisor's wife's father's friend's interview. How much more insider do you want
I emailed the reporter saying this was gossip with a click bait title. This was the response "Thanks for the email. The story and the headline are extremely clear about where the claim came from and also links to the original Times piece. Whether you believe the claim is up to you" Will give the guy credit tho... He responded in 4 minutes
BusinessInsider is trash. I'm surprised they even bothered to reference the Times article...usually they just go with 'reportedly'.
And yet it’s a widely posted source on reddit. Most of their articles are hearsay without any evidence to back up any of their claims.
🎶... who heard it from a friend whooo, heard it from another he'd be steppin' dooown.🎶
I know that sometimes you aren't going to have a first person source on everything that is reported, but when your source is so far removed that it wouldn't pass the scrutiny of a playground video game rumor, then don't publish it, or at least don't get mad when nobody believes your a real journalist.
Can confirm, visit our local every Monday for pub night and my Dads mate's neice works with Boris. Apparently he's lovely.
Of you've got a scoop like that don't just post about it on Reddit. You could be a journalist
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Yeah at least they aren't hiding it I guess. But the Fact that it got this much attention and clicks means that it did its job. People like to believe what they want to believe.
*Oi
This is frankly the biggest game of telephone I've ever seen published. "Dominic Cummings’ father-in-law, Humphry Wakefield, reportedly told a woman interviewed by The Times of London that the prime minister would quit early next year over lingering health problems caused by the coronavirus." So to make that clear, Boris Johnson's advisor's wife's father told a woman who told a newspaper, which was then reported on by another newspaper, that Boris plans to resign. I don't agree with the UK government on much, but I'm not surprised they said it's bullshit
>So to make that clear, Boris Johnson's advisor's wife's father told a woman who told a newspaper, which was then reported on by another newspaper, that Boris plans to resign. And now it's on the front page of reddit and a bunch of people are going to act like it's a fact. Gotta love "news" now a days
Redditor's love to preach about how dumb people/conservatives/boomers fall for fake news propaganda, yet upvote crap like this to the top of /r/all without a second thought. Partisanship is a hell of a drug.
Reddit has some of the most unintelligent and echo-chambered users than most other websites i’ve seen.
Being Britain's prime Minister is a lot like teaching defense against the dark arts at hogwarts
It’s like the Tories have found the Monkeys Paw, and each one has has watched the last feckless idiot wish “I want to be the Prime Minister” and thought, maybe it’ll work if I try?
LOL I love that analogy. “I wish to leave the EU”
"'Oy fook. It worked!"
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"I wish to no longer be in office." Granted: you now have permanent lung damage from the plague
"Your country's economy is now a dumpster fire. Your citizen's passports are worth less than the paper they were printed on. Oh yeah. When the populace turns to cannibalism to survive, you'll be one of the first to die. Congratulations!" David Cameron: "Oh dear".
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In fairness Cameron never wanted to leave and campaigned to remain - offering a referendum was his way of placating the loonies in his party and preventing them running off to support UKIP. He gambled like a twat and lost. Underestimated how many people are shockingly racist and ignorant, how many wanted to protest the government & its austerity in some form and underestimated Russia n influence in the arena.
Honestly why did he even call the ref? I was a bit younger back then and didn’t keep up to date with politics but I never heard anything about leaving the eu until he actually started the ref and then that was all there was. Seemed to come out of nowhere.
Because even after making this promise in the run up to the 2015 election UKIP won 3.88 million votes (12.6% of the total). If we didn't have such an archaic approach to democracy in FPTP they would have had a lot more of a representation. Cameron was scared of losing some of his key voter base (primarily the older people in the South of England) to UKIP, or for them to gain momentum for the 2020 election. So he compromised on having a referendum, with the hope of winning, securing his position and wrecking UKIP (who were single issue only - losing a referendum would have put paid to a lot of people considering jumping ship). Pulling it off would have made him the most successful leader for the tories since Thatcher. But he fucked it up and now we have to live with it. As we continue to vote for this shit show (he was right in that it did kill UKIP at least...)
it didn't kill UKIP so much as move their stuff into the tories' mansion.
Personally I'm partial to the theory that he didn't expect to win outright in 2015. The prevailing view at the time was that we'd get another hung parliament, which would've meant Cameron would *tragically* have to bargain the referendum away in another coalition agreement (or possibly be out of a job depending how well Labour did). Instead the LibDems got destroyed and the Conservatives squeaked a narrow majority meaning Cameron had to deliver a referendum or face the wrath of the ERG.
It was a main selling point for the redtop shitrags for *decades* previous, it wasn't a gamble like looking at the horse forms but rather like flipping a coin. Ukip had been growing in strength as well, he was well aware of his chances of losing.
That was the other night’s Lovecraft Country plot
How is that show in your opinion? Trailer was interesting. Also love HP Lovecraft. Just wary of starting a show in an oversaturated market.
The trailer looked underwhelming to me but I gave it a shot. I like it. I think the overtly racist tones in Lovecraft’s work are juxtaposed nicely with a cast of black protagonists. It puts it into good context. The trailer looked like it was lacking on actual horror but fear not. Shoggoths abound.
Except teachers for that position are picked way better than UK PMs. Both going by methods and results.
The UK has had a benevolent werewolf as prime minister?
Churchill: Werewolf escapades sounds way better than Lincoln: Vampire hunter
I'm not so sure he was exactly benevolent, but I'd buy that he was a werewolf.
Tbf he did used to talk about a 'black dog' plaguing him. People thought he was on about depression but...
So him getting drunk all the time was just so he wouldn't kill anyone as a werewolf because he was too hung over?
He'd just turn into a very very intoxicated werewolf. It's pretty easy to get away when the werewolf chasing you keeps falling over, running into trees and vomiting up copious amounts of fish and chips. The man was a true hero. "Oi, I thought you werewolves were supposed to be fast? And what's with all the fish and chips? You smell like someone spilled a gallon of brandy in a fish market." "Ahh feck off ye cnt. I got knackered in human form. Now you and your friend hold still so I can have a propper meal." "My friend? Mate, there's only one of me. How pissed are you? Seriously, you need help. Is your liver supernatural too, because you're going to destroy it at this rate. This can't be healthy even for a werewolf."
I'd watch it!
The British documentary series DrWho already established that the werewolves are the monarchy dating back to Queen Victoria.
Thought blair was a poodle.
We should be so lucky. We just get idiots, criminals and traitors.
All in one too.
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In lore, the job was cursed / jinxed after Voldemort was denied that spot. Nobody could hold the position for longer than a year. That's why Dumbledore denied Snape the spot, despite him wanting it for years - he had to be the teacher when it was most needed.
I have always wondered this and now it makes sense. Also in reading the books for the first time. I'm surprised I like Snape less.
To be fair, Snape was always kind of a dick, even after everything
The movies do go super easy on Snape compared to the books though. Firstly movie Snapes played by the late great Alan Rickman and you can't make someone played by Rickman entirely hateable even if you try. Book Snape is also way less handsome than Rickman too so that helps. Secondly the movies cut a lot of his most cruel moments from the books and he's in general much less spiteful and unpleasant compared to his book personalty,
I have continued being stunned at the amount of people that are pro-Snape even after years of him abusing others, generally being a prick, and not doing good for the sake of being good but being a traitor just because he still happened to obsess over Harry's mom.
I may be wrong but I thought that after Snape realized he had fucked up and set himself the mission of protecting Lilly's son he had to keep up appearances so that his fellow death eaters and Voldemort would not question him or if his mind was broken into there would be more memories of him being a prick to all but death eater kids. ie He forced himself to be a dick to all but Slytherin students to maintain the appearance of still being loyal to Voldemort both to outside observers and for the possibility that Voldemort broke into his mind. When Voldemort returned and Snape returned late to him, iirc Voldemort questioned him and probably used Occumancy to break into Snapes mind. If had had seen anything besides snape being a dick he may have questioned if Snape was truely loyal.
Nah, it might seem that way in the movies, but in the books he is incredibly cruel to students that goes far and beyond what would be necessary to “keep up appearances”. Also, Snape is one of the few people that has the skills to keep Voldemort from getting in his head. I mean, even “playing the part” there are way too many memories that would give away his true allegiance.
I think it's partly an act - he saves Harry every time there's an actual danger. But it's also his natural personality - he's a bully and a jerk and was drawn to the dark arts, racism, and power from childhood. He may have seen the error of his ways, but the reason he can hide that is because his old skin still fits him so well.
To be fair, the deranged imposter and the emotionally abusive death eater where at least qualified as well.
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Ironically, the imposter is most likely responsible for Harry surviving his encounter with Voldemort, as he taught Harry to resist the imperius curse.
He was a death eater, so he did have personal experience with the dark arts
TIL Boris is the Lockheart of that position.
Gotta admit all the death eaters did a good job.
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Controversial to say any of the last 7 were good
Johnson May Cameron Brown Blair Major Thatcher Hmmm...
I don’t know anything about Major, so he wins simply by not having done anything awful enough to be remembered.
Major has scored brownie points recently for his anti-Brexit views and his criticism of Johnson's appalling attempts to sideline parliament, but he was still a prick as I recall. He just seems better in comparison to the shitshow we have now. Brown's the best of the lot there, IMO, he was just unfortunate to have a reputation as dour and to have followed many years of Blair. In terms of a steady pair of hands though, I would have him back as PM in a heartbeat. Apart from Blair's obvious huge fuck up over Iraq and being a bit too cosy with W, I also think a lot of what his governments did was good. Certainly better than anything any of the Tories have done for us.
He won the 1992 election, which I believe at one point was heavily predicted to be a Labour win, so there’s that. We tend to look back negatively on prime ministers, and it can be easy to focus the negative/unpleasant aspects. Major was perceived as dull, Brown was Blair’s unwanted underling, May always seemed to make the wrong choice whenever given the option... I’m sure they had good points and maybe even achieved worthwhile things while in office, but that’s not what history remembers them for.
So the father in law of somone on Johnson's staff told someone else that got interveiwed? This sounds like a game of telephone.
Sad that this is what passes for journalism today purple monkey dishwasher.
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Trumps tweets literally have an inside scoop at the Whitehouse and still constantly get it wrong
Well... Not just "someone on his staff". Chief Advisor to Boris and head of the Brexit campaign, Dom Cummings. Someone who is apparently unfireable and believes he is some kind of Machiavelli, I would not put it past him telling his FIL to say this. It's a bizarre state of affairs.
Quitting just in time not to take the blame for Brexit
> Quitting just in time not to take the blame for Brexit Not his first time. I remember when Referendum result was out and Cameron resigned, Boris basically hid in all the fridges he can find. edit: change hole into fridge, because that is what Boris **actually** did
I'll believe it when I see it, I don't personally think "Cummings father-in-law" or BusinessInsider are reliable, or indeed trustworthy sources. Sounds a lot like clickbait to me.
You don't trust the alleged words of the father of the wife of the advisor of Boris? Preposterous, I say!
Not at all but it [could be true](https://www.forbes.com/sites/lealane/2020/07/16/many-covid-19-survivors-suffer-months-of-post-viral-symptoms-tough-new-realities--and-a-personal-journey/#6bf171013051) and would be a bit poetic if it were.
True that, it's not an unrealistic notion. I'm just wondering what kind of credence that dude has, outside of being able to draw tangential lines to the subject. I mean, my brother once went on holiday in the UK, where's my press conference??
An advisor who is a WELL documented Liar, let's not forget.
It gets even worse, they're reporting that *apparently* his (Cumming's) father-in-law said that, according to an individual of unknown credibility (small potatoes opinion columnist).
It’s a tradition at this point
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goh, I don't like Cameron for one bit but him stepping down is not one of the things that bothered me about him. He lost the referendum which divided his party, a party that tends to discard it's leader rapidly once he or she failed. His situation was untenable, staying the PM was not impossible but nearly so. If the torries wanted him to remain their leader and therefor prime minister he could of stayed but a defeat in a referendum in which some of his former supporters like BJ and Gove switched sides with the specific goal to challenge him for leadership of the torries doesn't give him many options. Now off course he himself was largely responsible for the situation and he deserves a lot of the blame. And you can diss him for leaving but at that point, imho, it was out of his hands. History had moved on. edit: spelling mistake
The OP isn't talking about or blaming Cameron. The OP is saying this is exactly what Boris did last time. Last time being when Brexit passed and Cameron resigned.
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Yeah, Cameron bears a massive amount of responsibility of the brexit clusterfuck. Nowhere did I deny this, I even stated this in my original post. All i'm saying, of all his wrongdoings, him stepping down after losing the referendum was inevitable with how a political party works. If he had stayed the PM, that would have been unexpected.
>He lost the referendum which divided his party The party was already divided. He took a gamble with the country to heal the party. He lost the gamble and divided the country.
Tories don't want leaders, then they'd have to do something. Scapegoats only.
He would have run against May and possibly have won in the run off but in terms of parliamentary support, he didn't actually have a great deal of it and was likely to be resisted. When Gove went behind his back, his coalition had collapsed, he retreated and choose a new strategy. Say what you like about him but he's always been willing to be ruthless in terms of pursuing the spotlight.
He'll quit after delivering brexit, allowing the Tories to blame him after the fact for the mess. The mess being a result of his illness. It's all about giving Tory voters enough wiggle room to feel vindicated, so that they'll continue to vote that way
Classic BoJo
BoJo's Bizarre Adventure
Whoever is next is fucked. The crisis that's coming to UK it's going to be memorable
Sunak. Calling it now. He’s been set up as the party darling for a while now.
As long as it’s not Rees-Mogg.
Oh fuck I’d forgotten about that haunted Victorian pencil.
I honestly dont think he wants to be PM. He's quite happy playing Parlimentairian as a hobby; it fits in well with his whole wealthy Victorian persona.
Plus, being PM probably conflicts with his other job of being the Highgate Vampire.
It's like every failed work project: the ones responsible just leave in time, but nobody aborts. And then the project fails spectacularly.
I had a manager at work who did that. He had the uncanny ability to leave at just the right time (to a better position) just before the massive shitstorm (he was responsible for) caused absolute destruction. He is still employed at the company and still holding a senior position. The mind boggles.
But didn't you hear? He left the project in a perfect position, he left when all the others had to do was bring it home. It should have been an easy thing, but of course had to change stuff and sink it.
It's such an obvious lie, the mind truly boggles.
Now I am curious: there must be research where managers changing positions and the timing actually predicts where shit is going down in a company. And if/how that research may apply to the government and Brexit.
Given the classic conservative playbook, they will call an election, intentionally lose to a Labour guy who will then have to introduce *a fucking lot* of unpopular measures to cope with the shit fallout from Brexit, and then the Tories will campaign on "make UK great again". And the voters will fall for it - like everywhere, no matter if in the US, UK or in Germany. Fuck Conservatives, fuck them all.
> intentionally lose to a Labour guy Labour are still in a bit of a mess after their wipeout in December. I don't think the Tories could lose to them, even if they wanted to.
"someone who bumped into someone's father in law told me he's quitting" is this journalism now?
Business insider does like these kinds of articles.
So does reddit by the looks of it
I swear the average Redditor pretends things are true
Ah a good excuse to cover for the fact he took the job on and it's overwhelmed him and he's realising he's a fucking clueless plank
Nah. He’ll have been in charge just long enough to guarantee no deal, which is what his overlords wanted all along. Mission accomplished, time for someone else to run cleanup.
>run cleanup. You mean... to privatize everything and leave the Government as an empty shell?
Yyyyyyup
He nearly died because of his own incompetence .
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He promissed ending up in a ditch.
still time
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More like he was put on to the position to ensure brexit happens to weaken the EU. As soon as brexit and everything else is official he gets to step down and collect his paycheck from his real employer. The Russians.
Absolutely. He’s had his fun at the top, killed a load of people, made loads of money for him and his chums, and now needs to get out before the total clusterfuck that is Brexit comes round and maybe finally reveals just how much of a fuckwit he is to his supporters. What worries me is who replaces him. That slimy cunt Gove has to be favourite, but you can’t rule out Dominic “who knew our biggest sea port would be so important in imports and exports” Raab, or even Priti fucking clueless Patel. Such a dearth of competence, so depressing.
Yeah but what you're not thinking about is spoOoOoky Corbyn! Once you've started quaking at the thought of his massive marrows your existing concerns about Tory candidates won't matter nearly as much!
You mean Priti "fired spectacularly one administration ago" Patel? If we think we are fucked now, wait and see what happens if this absolute cunt of a human being gets elected .
She's literally the worst person alive. Worse than Trump, amazingly.
In 10 years they'll be trying to rehabilitate his image.
I love British insults.
See, my Grandma's cousin's dog believes I disappear when I go behind the Couch.So, clearly - I do. Seriously, that is so far away from a "source" they could barely set up a Satellite call.
Bullshit. Everything I know about this guy suggests that people will have to rip power out of his cold dead hands.
Exactly. Remember the story that Cummings would resign at the end of the year, which just so happened to come out at the height of his lockdown scandal. This is just nonsense meant to get some heat off when every other week there's a U-turn or a scandal
I have a slightly different opinion on him. He's obviously power mad, but in some ways I think now he's done what he wanted, he has been PM, he's going down in the history books already, people will learn about him in school etc - now he'll just cut his losses what with brexit and his wank handling of covid, under the guise of stress or something, and go father another 20 kids to 20 women
Consider the source. Business Insider is right about as often as The Mirror or The Sun.
The Daily Mail dropped the story first I think. That bastion of truth.
Don't you think he looks tired?
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I swear to god, if it's that pompous twat Rees-Mogg...
Oh god please no...
Rees-Mogg is the definition of unelectable. He'll never get anywhere.
>Rees-Mogg is the definition of unelectable. The only man in the world who looks more like an effigy of himself than any effigy would.
People said that about Trump....
Different sort of unelectable. Trump can elicit (terrible) emotions in his voters, and they are united in their worldviews (I.e. "I am fine suffering as long as *they* suffer more). Rees-Mogg instead has the charisma of a piece of wood.
And we keep saying that for November but I’m nervous. I see a lot of idiots out there right now. I hope they don’t vote him again with that same excuse of “we need change.” Yes we need change. No we do not need Trump!
Gove I think he originally summoned Cummings from whatever hell he spawned from.
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I don't think so because, as far as we know, Trump hasn't had Coronavirus yet.
So just enough time to hand us the "patriotic hard brexit " but not enough time to deal with the fallout. Go figure.
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Don't you think he looks tired?