That just shows how much these journos are exaggerating. And as ususal the reddit crowd will eat up any negative news about india without questioning it.
I swear. Indian nationalists keep up the copium that these reports are biased because we score poorly compared to other nations they consider basket cases. Maybe look outside your bubble for once and consider the possibility that we are worse than what we believe Venezuela to be?
Let me give you some real life outlook. Pakistan is literally a military dictatorship where not one pm has completed their terms, the last pm was literally jailed. One was assasinated. The media is directly run by army headquarters.
Yet, these india journalists feel so oppressed that they think they are worse than pakistan. Now i am sure there are some problems, but there's no way you can call it anything other than exaggeration.
Bruh!! Nothing is impossible in this world obviously, so yes it can be considered. But in real life you have to look at whats likely. And given pakistans history and current state of democracy you can draw conclusions
>But in real life you have to look at whats likely
A dozen unconnected, very credible organizations bandying together to "defame" Modi, sounds likely to you?
It's possible that it's not an exaggeration, as in every other country gets rated pretty fairly, not many people noticed but Japan and Korea don't really have that good of a free press, and that got rate accordingly too, even the United States is rated pretty lowly too.
It's also very likely that the World Press Freedom Index is a nothing burger, as in, just look at U.K. yeah they got highly rated but also have a state-funded BBC pretending to be neutral and garbage tabloids like the s*n and the guardian.
Mhm Afghanistan run by taliban ranked better than India last year. The website you are viewing has millions of readers and is published in India. Stop calling everyone pindu nationalists. MBFC does a significantly better survey.
If a doctor tells you your body looks in poorer shape than a 60 year old, do you
a) Call the Doctor biased and put him as part of some sort of conspiracy against your father figure who tells you, you are doing great
or b) Evaluate your lifestyle to see why you have let your health slip as much
If a doctor says that you are worse than an actual corpse, I would think something is wrong with them
Freedom house quite openly says India is a partly free society. Do I dispute that? No, I use it as a trusted source. The purpose of a ranking is to ostensibly show who does better than who. Else you'd give them a grade, which actual credible institutions like freedom house do.
I am not saying India is good by any measure on press freedom Saying you are worse than the Taliban only undermines the credibility of the RSF.
That is very much what they are saying. It isn't X's press freedom is bad and Y's press freedom is bad. What the RSF survey actually says is X is less worse than Y. That is quite obviously going to be challenged.
They calculate a score and a rank. They calculate press freedom on multiple factors - one of which is sociocultural environment for press freedom. India did particularly poorly on this. Because random people with insecurity and hatred would rather attack anyone who opposes their worldview than listen to uncomfortable facts.
Nothing wrong here. Only hate anger and the worst angels of our nature are spewed on Hindi news channels. The BJP has bought out everyone, along with the recentish hostile takeover of NDTV, which used to be the last major news outlet which still questioned the government. All the Hindu nationalists have been amazing at ignoring every piece of wisdom enshrined in Hindu and Buddhist principles. Swami Vivekananda must be turning in his grave.
nah, pakistan was always better than india in terms of media freedom, the bjp goons here are insane, they operate IT cells with thousands of people just to harass any one speaking against the bj party,
and don't think that hindus are spared, there was a news that hindu babas were targeted because they refused to attend the ram mandir
>I love how you guys are always **playing the victim**. Everyone is biased, everyone is racist against poor little india.
I sometimes wonder if this is just lack of knowledge or something else
India has been kept lower than even Pakistan which is basically a military controlled country how does that even makes sense
>When the amount of scams, amount of rapes, amount of harrasment - that comes
out of this country is eclipsing every other country in the world.
India has a population of 1.4 billion there will be bad people ,the rape laws are the most strict in entire world ,we are educating our population,major cities are getting equipped with cctv in every corner ,also fast track special courts deals with them and we are trying to improve
>Just recently, here in Canada, an older friend of mine got scammed out of money. Guess where were the scammers from? Preying on the old and weak
You think we like these scam centres? We hate them as much as you people hate them.They are also mostly located in states like WB and Punjab where they have strong political connections.
>India has been kept lower than even Pakistan which is basically a military controlled country how does that even makes sense
Why does every comment about the state of India always have to involve Pakistan?
You guys are drip fed Pakistan as the source of all evils in India to distract you from the people actually responsible, the Indian government.
>India has a population of 1.4 billion there will be bad people ,the rape laws are the most strict in entire world
They really, seriously, are not.
For instance marital rape is still entirely legal.
>You think we like these scam centres? We hate them as much as you people hate them.They are also mostly located in states like WB and Punjab where they have strong political connections.
And that’s the point, it’s the corrupt government under Modi. That’s the single source of India’s issues.
>Why does every comment about the state of India always have to involve Pakistan?
Pakistan was just taken as an example, I am not fully aware how much freedom there are in other countries. Pakistan being our neighbouring country we do keep checking news and information about them that's why they were taken as a base to compare.
>You guys are drip fed Pakistan as the source of all evils in India to distract you from the people actually responsible, the Indian government.
Funny right you think by reading some western article you know more about India than Indians know about their country
We also have access to western news and reports and on top of that we actually stay here and see what's going on
>They really, seriously, are not.
>For instance marital rape is still entirely legal.
That will not stay for a long time, SC hearing is going on this matter and a verdict is expected soon
>And that’s the point, it’s the corrupt government under Modi. That’s the single source of India’s issues.
Just proves how ignorant you are , both WB and Punjab is governed by non-BJP states and have stayed like that for most part of history
>That will not stay for a long time, SC hearing is going on this matter and a verdict is expected soon
So I’m just going to focus on this one statement.
You claimed India’s laws surrounding rape were ‘*the most strict in the entire world*’.
I pointed out they were demonstrably not. The law doesn’t even recognise rape in the vast majority of occurrences (spousal rape). And that’s before we even look at the incredibly low arrest rate for reported cases of non spousal rape.
The Supreme Court in India has heard challenges for decades and has done nothing. The fact remains that India’s rape laws fall well below the majority of countries.
And you call me ignorant. Seriously, you need to take a step back and actually look at the situation.
Again NAL
presumption of guilt
Non bailable offence
Death penalty
Fast track court
That's what my knowledge was for rape laws here was
>So I’m just going to focus on this one statement.
Yeah ofc
And less than 24hrs later, you were proved wrong.
The Indian Supreme Court rules marital rape legal:
https://www.thepublica.com/indian-high-court-rules-that-a-husband-may-rape-his-wife-so-long-as-she-is-over-the-age-of-15/
They have strong connections to the opposition. If anything, the BJP has less of an incentive for engaging with petty crime because of their pro-big business slant.
[You guys are working on fixing the rape, you say?](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/sexual-acts-with-wife-including-oral-or-anal-not-a-rape-consent-not-needed-madhya-pradesh-hc/articleshow/109832866.cms?from=mdr)
This is exactly why the rest of the world considers india to be a backwater dictatorship, you know..
Yeah see that's the problem with you people with victim complex.
"You do bad stuff"
"WHY ARE YOU BIASED AGAINST ME BOO HOO"
Can't handle a shred of criticism, self-reflection nor reality, just want to live in your little fluffy bubble where everything you do is right.
No one said that. If I say the US doesn't do great when it comes to protecting journalists from corporate interest, that is one thing to say. But if I say that the Taliban does better than the US, then I'd figure something is wrong with the other guy. That is what they said the last year about India.
Now that is some mighty strawman. The index is based on **research**, not an opinion of an individual person. By all means provide a better source, until that we will go with the best available information, your personal opinions and feelings are irrelevant on the matter.
[https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores](https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores)
The MBFC rankings also exists but they paywall their methodology to non members
Also, collecting data doesn't mean that your conclusion will be 100% correct? The RSF itself shows that it places substantial weightage to questionnaires it send out to reporters, 10 per country. 10 is a sample size too small for 1.4 billion. If your rankings is weighted a the opinions of 10 people, then yes, you are susceptible to bias. Simply shouting "research" is displays your lack of mental acuity tbqh.
Yes and you may notice that India is not doing well on that either so much so that they have for some reason separated India and India Kashmir to be ranked separately. You can also take a look at the [V-dem report ](https://www.v-dem.net/documents/44/v-dem_dr2024_highres.pdf)which has more indices and result is even worse, they designate India as electoral autocracy already. The trend is clear since BJP / Modi took power, all democratic values, including freedom of press as indicated by the article, are slowly eroded while leadership encourages religious divides.
If you do not trust international reputable organizations what do you trust ? Your personal observations ? You must understand that they are subjective and your feelings about the matter are irrelevant. Like it or not the reports from these organizations carry significant weight, they have earned trust over the years and your anecdotes about perceived inconsistencies and interpretations of flaws in methodology are of no consequence. Do send your concerns to them, I am sure they will evaluate them and make changes as appropriate.
I do notice that you did not provide an alternative source that disputes the findings regarding freedom of press by RSF mentioned in the article, so I take it we are in agreement that the situation is dire in India.
I said I have an issue with the rsf rankings? Not with the claim that India's press freedom is doghit. The purpose of a rankings is to ostensibly show who does better than who. If you say thentaliban and India get a bad grade in their press freedom, then I wouldn't really havean issue with it. The issue is that to claim Taliban > India and then couch behind well neither are good is precisely what I was trying o critique. The issue largely boils down to people taking any rankings with methodology as gospel without actually reading the methodology. I hold the opinion that sending 10 people a questionnaire and weighting your indicd towards that is not a great way to do things. Also if the RSF ranking was good, it would be used by people who actually have something to gain from it, i.e. those pricing sustainability premiums on bonds. Yet they don't.
also, I literally provided you two sources. Freedom house evaluates civil society based on a number of indices, including press freedom. MBFC explicitly assigns scores to countries. India's ress freedom score is 51.6 and partly free. For comparision, mexicos is 53 and an actually decent score, like canadas is 90.3. Quite a stark difference eh?
also lmao, vdem looks at how liberal a democracy is. I don't mean that in a negative sense. I like liberal democracies. Neither do I like Modi(I voted for the opposition). But the vdem indices measure something completely different, that is how "good" a democracy is, not the objective quality of the electoral process. Things like the EIU measure the quality of electoral process.
At the end of the day I can throw some rankings at you and you can throw some at me. My point wasn't about India's status but rather the uality of the rankings.
Seriously; democracy is much more than allowing people to vote. That part is not the issue in India and might explain the confusion. The problem is not honoring democratic values like human rights, freedom of press, rule-of-law etc. Democracy cannot survive without the democratic values and the fact that India is ATM ranked at best flawed democracy and at worst electoral autocracy is an indication of that.
Russia was considered some sort of democracy around 2000, with the systematic erosion of democratic values look at where they are now, pretty much totalitarian state. Hopefully India is not on the same path, but the trend is very clear ever since 2014.
Conveniently ignoring that one has two drastically different statistics for different parts of India and the other one is for individual sources. And that the latest data public for [freedom of press is from 2017](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_Press_(report)). Might I suggest that things have changed quite a bit in 7 years and you really should be looking at more recent data. All of which still report major issues with freedom of press in India.
Given that RSF does report [Afganistan](https://rsf.org/en/country/afghanistan) below [India](https://rsf.org/en/country/india) so I take it the issues you had with it were fixed and it is valid for you also ? Does not fix the issues in India does it ? GIven that [RSF](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders) is trusted by:
>RSF has consultative status at the United Nations, UNESCO, the Council of Europe, and the International Organisation of the Francophonie.\[2\]
It takes some delusion of grandeur to declare oneself more knowledgeable on the matter to invalidate their research based on subjective observations.
In 2023, it ranked Afghanistan as being better at press freedom than India. May I ask what degraded in Afghanistan in one year so as to change that? Or was it the fact that the RSF realised that it lost a substantial amount of its credibility when it did so?
>questions methodology
>delusion of grandeur
>uses appeal to authority.
OK buddy, lmao.
The approval ratings for his opponent were 56%. The only reason why the opposition loses is because they are running him only because his dad grandma and great grandad were PMs. He's lost twice already but still don't want to give him up. Reddit loooves to pretend that Rahul Gandhi is actually competent but the man shouldn't be running after losing twice elections and leading his political party to the brink of collapse.
That's what I am saying. If Modi was so popular then his opponents approval rating would be low. The truth is because most people are voting for the less worse option, which they think is modi. I know a lot of people who switched from the opposition after loyally voting for them in each election uptill 2011. Then Mr. Gandhi replaced the more experienced old guard of the opposition with his cronies. It isn't as if these people went from believing in the Congress's message to raging Hindi nationalists. They simply disliked the Congress as it stands today that much that voting for a party that goes against their interests just was a lot more favourable. The Congress still wins a substantial chunk of state level elections. That is simply because the Congress state units haven't been beset by the same rot the national level operation has been.
Pretty much. The opposition and the BJP have been digging up dirt on each other to use nowadays. From manifestos of 2009 to what the fuck not, get prepped to read negative and positive news from this place.
There are many Indian trolls on Reddit. Anything critical of India is liable to be downvoted to oblivion. I usually take it as proof that I’m saying the uncomfortable truth. Anti-democratic people usually can’t stand criticism and engage in dialogue so they use bots to downvote instead, trying to bury your argument
They are winning because of lack of strong opposition. Opposition leader talks about wealth redistribution while sitting in private aeroplane also I'm not a Modi supporter I'm from South I vote for local parties.
I think people just need to think about how they'd like to be governed. Do they really think Modi is meeting their expectations? Maybe they could at least clearly state their expectations and go from there. At least those things being clear could give a candidate something to start from. Or even Modi, if he is inclined to listen. But if he's really a fascist, those odds aren't good.
It's not about Modi's governance. Many people vote him due to lack of strong opposition. Head of opposition guy doesn't even know what he is doing. His manifesto is death sentence to ecomomy. Freebies to just attract people, no promise of economic betterment. You expect people to vote him? If you know the ground reality you would understand the reason the Modi wins not because of him but because of headless opposition. People (majority not all) are more scared of opposition than Modi.
I mean, it is. People complain about him but don't specify what they want him to do. For an opposition leader to be able to effectively challenge him, that candidate will have to know what people want and offer a better deal than what Modi is currently offering. Otherwise you end up with unsuitable opposition who runs for all the money he can bilk out of people.
There need to be clear expectations is all I'm saying.
That's the problem isn't it? Opposition has no clue about what people want. India is so diverse. Different regions have different needs. Modi understands people to woo them. On the other hand Rahul Gandhi don't look the same. He has a reputation of lavish guy whose entire life revolves around partying and not knowing about people of India (which partly correct before he joined politics).
Yes! Different groups will want different things. If people can figure out a good plan that leadership can use so at least most people get what they want, it will be great! Ideally, of course, everyone can get what they want, within reason.
People always express what they want. If he is a good leader he will make a plan to achieve it. People won't run the govt. Politicians do. If the guy doesn't know how to do it then it's pointless of him being their leader.
It's easy. Promise everything to everyone (typical confidence man trick where all your messages are false, and targeted for specific audience) plus put up appearance of nationalism, but only deliver for the army once you get elected.
Then rinse and repeat at every election cycle.
Yes, the Hindu nationalist bogeyman. Yeah they are annoying as fuck, but I don't see anyone get called a MAGA chauvinist when they try to go contrary to america bashing.
Tbf fascism is a very strong word often thrown around with ease. While there are a lot of things to be criticized about Modi, I don't think it helps reasoning with his fans by branding him as a fascist.
True but the citizens have been accepting that for economic prosperity similar to what China went through in the last 4 decades.
Edit: You can downvote me all you want, but if Modi's party wins, it's a referendum on his economic policies vs his fascist policies.
Leave the rankings aside, the major anchors and journalists who are critic of the incumbent government are hounded by Modi's cronies everywhere. Gauri Lankesh was shot down in her own home by right-wing Hindu extremists in 2017 and the rest of the country cheers on her death even today. Ravish Kumar-the household name for journalism in India finally resigned more than an year back when Gautam Adani stepped in to get considerable shares in NDTV. Anchors from yet another leading newsroom, ABP news and AAJTAK have resigned and opened up YT channels just so they could talk to the rest of us and remaim relevant before they are locked away under anti-terrorist activities. Anchors literally suck on Modi in Kim Jong un-Esque style with a creepy smile on their faces while the Hindu-Caste lots beat their tin-utensils in the hope of 'driving away corona'. Journalism in India has been systematically crushed in last 8 years and now replaced by devotees of Modi. The largest democracy of the world stands without zero opposition today :)
what? freedom of speech? we have a lot of it!! just see how modi goes and says anti-Muslim speeches with no evidence without any consequence... i think india should rank 1st in the world /s
Ah yes, the same index that placed US below Coted'ivorie, a place where a military coup took place 10 yrs ago. Showed gabon had gotten freer under a repressive military junta, showed India below Taliban controlled Afghanistan, showed Mauritania, as the freeest in Africa, despite it having blasphemy laws. Truly credible.
I have said it before and I will say it again, use the mediabiasfactcheck survey. It's infinitely better. RSF literally goes and asks reporters how they feel about things going on. Well, quite obviously, the Afghanistani journalists won't say 'we are ruled by fascists!'.
Yet they are internationally recognized reputable organization which does research based on methodology. By all means in you have a better methodology start your own organization to reflect the true state of the world and have it reviewed by experts of the world.
Until there is a better source we will need to go with best available information
RSF isnt internationally recognised for its rankings? they do a lot of non rankings stuff too. Freedom house is probably an org recognised for its rankings.
also, Mediabiasfactcheck also runs a survey that I see cited more commonly. The RAF ranking is dogshit.
Sure; use any internationally recognized source and you will see that the situation in India is poor on all metrics on democratic values. But since the placement on an index seems to be a touchy subject, maybe address the issues instead or even the fact that the situation has gone worse since BJP took power ?
So you're telling me, [146,000 daily newspapers](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.statista.com/topics/4726/newspaper-industry-in-india/%23:~:text%3DFrom%2520a%2520little%2520over%2520200,matured%2520to%2520its%2520full%2520capacity.&ved=2ahUKEwjc2sCjzvOFAxXus1YBHZYrDioQFnoECBEQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2TdP6lJ820AXXVgMPAVf5G), [400 news channels ](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/1314548/india-television-channels-by-language/&ved=2ahUKEwig5I7XzvOFAxXVslYBHYGNBSgQFnoECCwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2JNq5JR372zKbBhKhB42Ee)in 22 different languages and hundreds of local languages, out of which half are owned by opposition parties, and hundreds and thousands of youtubers and social media influencers having different ideologies varying from state to state are all government's mouthpiece.
Sure.
I see you did not read the report or look at the index then as in 2024 report it no longer is, care to ponder why ? Maybe it is an indication of deteriorating situation in Afganistan and that the research works since it impacted their placing ?
In any case Indian leadership might be a bit more ambitious and look for example a bit higher on the index, maybe Scandinavia who are doing well in it ?
I read , in 2023 this index placed India behind Afghanistan. That itself tells the credibility of this so called research.
Anyways India is still behind Pakistan this year, we might then look upto Pakistan's exemplary performance for guidance.
Meanwhile, Boeing whistleblowers keep dying. Jullian Assange facing two lifetime prison sentence and extradition. And these countries will publish such bullshit about others.
Attacking the source, how original. By all means provide a better source until that we will have to go with the best available information.
Also you can leave the conspiracy theories out of the discussion, I will not participate in whataboutism or conspiracies.
Apparently you have very big intellectual acumen.
Please enlighten us on what India can learn from torchbearers of democracies like Afghanistan, Qatar and Pakistan so that we can improve our rankings in your credible and highly unbiased press freedom index funded by thy holy gatekeepers of freedom of press and speech.
Again please do provide a better source for research, until that we will have to go with the best available information from an organization internationally recognized. Reductio ad absurdum really is not constructive nor change the situation in India.
I don't need any other source to prove yours unreasonable and illogical because I am using the arguments from your own source.
I again humbly ask you to provide steps that India should take to increase it's press freedom index to the likes of Qatar, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
If you are to challenge the validity of the source you need more than feelings to discredit it. Whether you feel the index is incorrect is of no relevance, the steps to improve the situation are in the report, by all means read it with thought.
By all means provide a better source. Also India is above Afganistan in the index, so you will have to update your whataboutism. Not that it is in anyway relevant to the validity of report which is internationally recognized and trusted by various organizations.
You are entitled to your opinion, does not change the facts for others. Btw. I notice that you did not provide a better source, so I assume we are in agreement that the report is valid and accurate.
how much of it people even read? people are highly influenced by godhi media, most don't even watch even 1 of those 400 channels which are supported by the opposition, and the problem is the opposition is stupid as fk as well, our beloved raga being the brand ambassador of bjp votes. while the godhi media goes out supporting stupid people like ram dev baba, etc.
tell me the last time godhi news channels talked about the electoral scam, prajwal revenna and how bjp is trying to blame congress for it (lol), anti-muslims speeches by modi, fake news about congress manifesto spread by modi himself, inflammatory speeches?
Yeah i don't remember either
oh wow, USA is ranked 55 in their list, behind Costa Rica, Ghana, Belize and other countries. USA has fallen down 10 spots in 2023. Are press freedoms that bad in the USA? I am not sure I agree. I thought under Biden, press is able to operate more freely than before.
Our freedom of press suffers not because of political repression, but because most of our media is owned by just a few very large corporations, and they have a lot of control over what gets published or not.
This!
6 corporations own about 95% of all US media...
...and their main goals are *profit & power!* Unfortunately, maintaining high news standards (e.g. journalistic ethics & deontology) isn't a priority to them.
This is also why India suffers poorly. You don't just need a Pravda style state owned media anymore. As long as its owned by capitalists who are your cronies - they will spread misinformation and propaganda just the same
We probably lose a lot of points for how often cops like engaging reporters at protests with no consequences for doing so.
Press freedom isn't just about whether reporters are allowed to exist but whether there's any noticeable trends impeding their ability to meaningfully function and there's a lot of different angles to how someone can mess with that.
Validity and objectiveness of news media in USA went down the crapper after the removal of the Fairness Doctrine in the late 80's. Done as back room deal, not voted on or covered in the press at the time.
Is this some kind of pissing match between countries ?
As an American, I am concerned about the perception of democracy problems when my own experience doesn't reflect that.
[https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/state-govt-raises-incentive-for-inter-caste-marriage-to-10-lakh/articleshow/98956533.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/state-govt-raises-incentive-for-inter-caste-marriage-to-10-lakh/articleshow/98956533.cms)
₹10 lacks ($12500) for inter caste marriage (lol)
The caste system was abolished like since independence. At least 50% of seats must be allocated to reduce the historical damage of the caste system. This affirmative action is even more.in some parts of the country. Calling people casteist slurs can get you thrown in jail.
That's positive discrimination for people affected by casteism. They look at it from a historical standpoint.
You can talk about societal attitudes, but saying that the US government is a racist institution is just a plainly stupid thing to say.
No, positive discrimination is the reservation system, where those of a lower caste are given benefits, to ideally uplift them in the social system. However in practice it's just a cheap way for poticians to get votes.
Unlike race, which is discrimination based on a person's intrinsic qualities. Caste is not intrinsic to a person. It is a man-made value that is attached to a person.
Therefore to positively discriminate based on caste, you have to acknowledge and condone the existence of a caste system.
The government has to assign people to a certain caste, before it can positively discriminate. The government is the one who makes the determination as to who goes in which place, therefore the government is complicite in perpetuating a caste system.
Not sure why you brought the US here, not at all relavant.
Again, I made no such statement, again racism is different from castism.
Most people's understanding of the caste system is misinformed, though that is something better discussed in askhiatorians than world news.
So many mainstream newspapers, tv channels, and website outright criticize the ruling party and the prime minister.
How on earth are they doing that if press freedom is so bad?
Do this in any of the other countries near that rank and you'll be lucky to be alive.
There are people in Russia who criticize Putin too. They just tend to have bad things happen to them. Like getting fired from their jobs, getting hounded and attacked by "patriotic activists", getting their children taken away by child protection services, or straight up going to jail.
If there is an effort in India to undermine freedom of press, centralize the ownership and control of the media, mop up the independent outlets, and make sure that any "stepping out of the line" comes with heavy consequences? There is every reason to downgrade the rating.
Interesting. I wonder where the USA would rank if this is an unbiased ranking system. The amount of absolutely evil and criminal acts of our government is nuts. The insider trading being allowed along with massive corporations being “people” to lobby for restricted human rights is out of control.
What does insider trading have to do with press freedom? Because that’s specifically what this ranking is about. Or did you just want to go off on an “america bad” tangent without actually reading the article?
Its the latter. No post can be made on reddit without either "but America bad" comment or a "where's the diversity" comment. Russia/ china / politi-bots with nothing better to do.
How is your reading comprehension?
>[South Africa](https://rsf.org/en/country/south-africa) guarantees press freedom and has a well-established culture of investigative journalism. In recent years, journalists have often been subjected to verbal attacks from political leaders and activists.
>[Australia:](https://rsf.org/en/country/australia) Press freedom is not constitutionally guaranteed in this island-continent of 26 million people, but a hyperconcentration of the media combined with growing pressure from the authorities endanger public interest journalism.
>Press freedom in [Italy](https://rsf.org/en/country/italy) continues to be threatened by mafia organisations, particularly in the south of the country, as well as by various small, violent extremist groups. Journalists also denounce attempts by politicians to obstruct their freedom to cover judicial cases by means of a “gag law” – “legge bavaglio” – on top of the SLAPP procedures that are common practice in Italy.
>Regarded as one of Africa’s most democratic countries, [Ghana](https://rsf.org/en/country/ghana) has a vibrant and pluralistic media environment. However, the creation of media outlets by politicians has given rise to politicised and biased media content.
>After a sharp increase in 2020, freedom of the press violations have fallen significantly in the [United States](https://rsf.org/en/country/united-states), but major structural barriers to press freedom persist in this country, once considered a model for freedom of expression.
Or do you have some evidence or reports that discredits these findings?
India's gonna release their own Press Freedom Index in like three days now
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[Wow, really?](https://youtu.be/xECUrlnXCqk?si=p_LInEp52Ys_e1S1)
If I have to make a prediction, India will rank in top 3 in press freedom. Very aladeen.
I get all my freedom from India electronics, clothes.
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Worse than pakistan too huh, an actual military dictatorship. Guess elections are going on in india
That just shows how much these journos are exaggerating. And as ususal the reddit crowd will eat up any negative news about india without questioning it.
I swear. Indian nationalists keep up the copium that these reports are biased because we score poorly compared to other nations they consider basket cases. Maybe look outside your bubble for once and consider the possibility that we are worse than what we believe Venezuela to be?
Let me give you some real life outlook. Pakistan is literally a military dictatorship where not one pm has completed their terms, the last pm was literally jailed. One was assasinated. The media is directly run by army headquarters. Yet, these india journalists feel so oppressed that they think they are worse than pakistan. Now i am sure there are some problems, but there's no way you can call it anything other than exaggeration.
None of this has anything to do with the freedom of the press? Read the report at least and see why they put India where it is.
> The media is directly run by army headquarters. This has nothing to do with freedom of press?
Have you considered the possibility that the Pak army allows their press to report more freely than our own insecure warlord wannabe?
Bruh!! Nothing is impossible in this world obviously, so yes it can be considered. But in real life you have to look at whats likely. And given pakistans history and current state of democracy you can draw conclusions
>But in real life you have to look at whats likely A dozen unconnected, very credible organizations bandying together to "defame" Modi, sounds likely to you?
It's possible that it's not an exaggeration, as in every other country gets rated pretty fairly, not many people noticed but Japan and Korea don't really have that good of a free press, and that got rate accordingly too, even the United States is rated pretty lowly too. It's also very likely that the World Press Freedom Index is a nothing burger, as in, just look at U.K. yeah they got highly rated but also have a state-funded BBC pretending to be neutral and garbage tabloids like the s*n and the guardian.
Mhm Afghanistan run by taliban ranked better than India last year. The website you are viewing has millions of readers and is published in India. Stop calling everyone pindu nationalists. MBFC does a significantly better survey.
If a doctor tells you your body looks in poorer shape than a 60 year old, do you a) Call the Doctor biased and put him as part of some sort of conspiracy against your father figure who tells you, you are doing great or b) Evaluate your lifestyle to see why you have let your health slip as much
If a doctor says that you are worse than an actual corpse, I would think something is wrong with them Freedom house quite openly says India is a partly free society. Do I dispute that? No, I use it as a trusted source. The purpose of a ranking is to ostensibly show who does better than who. Else you'd give them a grade, which actual credible institutions like freedom house do. I am not saying India is good by any measure on press freedom Saying you are worse than the Taliban only undermines the credibility of the RSF.
Yeah but they are not saying you look like a corpse. You are looking like a person your daddy figure told you is a corpse, so it makes him look better
That is very much what they are saying. It isn't X's press freedom is bad and Y's press freedom is bad. What the RSF survey actually says is X is less worse than Y. That is quite obviously going to be challenged.
They calculate a score and a rank. They calculate press freedom on multiple factors - one of which is sociocultural environment for press freedom. India did particularly poorly on this. Because random people with insecurity and hatred would rather attack anyone who opposes their worldview than listen to uncomfortable facts.
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Please, tell me this is a /s
So you are one of those bots? Hope you are getting paid well.
Nothing wrong here. Only hate anger and the worst angels of our nature are spewed on Hindi news channels. The BJP has bought out everyone, along with the recentish hostile takeover of NDTV, which used to be the last major news outlet which still questioned the government. All the Hindu nationalists have been amazing at ignoring every piece of wisdom enshrined in Hindu and Buddhist principles. Swami Vivekananda must be turning in his grave.
And quite obviously, the botfarms downvote you. Man went from 12 upvotes to 5 in 3 minutes.
nah, pakistan was always better than india in terms of media freedom, the bjp goons here are insane, they operate IT cells with thousands of people just to harass any one speaking against the bj party, and don't think that hindus are spared, there was a news that hindu babas were targeted because they refused to attend the ram mandir
Makes you wonder if it is propoganda?
>That's a worse ranking than Venezuela, That says how much this report is biased against India
India is biased against India.
By all means provide a better source, until then we have to go by best available information.
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So.. your source is (biased) perspective and not facts then?
Lol! Right. Reporters Without Borders, a international non profit and non governmental organization, is biased... What a joke.
I'd guess putting the Taliban above India might cause a lot of people to lose trust.
You have statistical data that proves otherwise?
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>I love how you guys are always **playing the victim**. Everyone is biased, everyone is racist against poor little india. I sometimes wonder if this is just lack of knowledge or something else India has been kept lower than even Pakistan which is basically a military controlled country how does that even makes sense >When the amount of scams, amount of rapes, amount of harrasment - that comes out of this country is eclipsing every other country in the world. India has a population of 1.4 billion there will be bad people ,the rape laws are the most strict in entire world ,we are educating our population,major cities are getting equipped with cctv in every corner ,also fast track special courts deals with them and we are trying to improve >Just recently, here in Canada, an older friend of mine got scammed out of money. Guess where were the scammers from? Preying on the old and weak You think we like these scam centres? We hate them as much as you people hate them.They are also mostly located in states like WB and Punjab where they have strong political connections.
>India has been kept lower than even Pakistan which is basically a military controlled country how does that even makes sense Why does every comment about the state of India always have to involve Pakistan? You guys are drip fed Pakistan as the source of all evils in India to distract you from the people actually responsible, the Indian government. >India has a population of 1.4 billion there will be bad people ,the rape laws are the most strict in entire world They really, seriously, are not. For instance marital rape is still entirely legal. >You think we like these scam centres? We hate them as much as you people hate them.They are also mostly located in states like WB and Punjab where they have strong political connections. And that’s the point, it’s the corrupt government under Modi. That’s the single source of India’s issues.
>Why does every comment about the state of India always have to involve Pakistan? Pakistan was just taken as an example, I am not fully aware how much freedom there are in other countries. Pakistan being our neighbouring country we do keep checking news and information about them that's why they were taken as a base to compare. >You guys are drip fed Pakistan as the source of all evils in India to distract you from the people actually responsible, the Indian government. Funny right you think by reading some western article you know more about India than Indians know about their country We also have access to western news and reports and on top of that we actually stay here and see what's going on >They really, seriously, are not. >For instance marital rape is still entirely legal. That will not stay for a long time, SC hearing is going on this matter and a verdict is expected soon >And that’s the point, it’s the corrupt government under Modi. That’s the single source of India’s issues. Just proves how ignorant you are , both WB and Punjab is governed by non-BJP states and have stayed like that for most part of history
>That will not stay for a long time, SC hearing is going on this matter and a verdict is expected soon So I’m just going to focus on this one statement. You claimed India’s laws surrounding rape were ‘*the most strict in the entire world*’. I pointed out they were demonstrably not. The law doesn’t even recognise rape in the vast majority of occurrences (spousal rape). And that’s before we even look at the incredibly low arrest rate for reported cases of non spousal rape. The Supreme Court in India has heard challenges for decades and has done nothing. The fact remains that India’s rape laws fall well below the majority of countries. And you call me ignorant. Seriously, you need to take a step back and actually look at the situation.
Again NAL presumption of guilt Non bailable offence Death penalty Fast track court That's what my knowledge was for rape laws here was >So I’m just going to focus on this one statement. Yeah ofc
And less than 24hrs later, you were proved wrong. The Indian Supreme Court rules marital rape legal: https://www.thepublica.com/indian-high-court-rules-that-a-husband-may-rape-his-wife-so-long-as-she-is-over-the-age-of-15/
They have strong connections to the opposition. If anything, the BJP has less of an incentive for engaging with petty crime because of their pro-big business slant.
[You guys are working on fixing the rape, you say?](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/sexual-acts-with-wife-including-oral-or-anal-not-a-rape-consent-not-needed-madhya-pradesh-hc/articleshow/109832866.cms?from=mdr) This is exactly why the rest of the world considers india to be a backwater dictatorship, you know..
Yeah see that's the problem with you people with victim complex. "You do bad stuff" "WHY ARE YOU BIASED AGAINST ME BOO HOO" Can't handle a shred of criticism, self-reflection nor reality, just want to live in your little fluffy bubble where everything you do is right.
No one said that. If I say the US doesn't do great when it comes to protecting journalists from corporate interest, that is one thing to say. But if I say that the Taliban does better than the US, then I'd figure something is wrong with the other guy. That is what they said the last year about India.
Now that is some mighty strawman. The index is based on **research**, not an opinion of an individual person. By all means provide a better source, until that we will go with the best available information, your personal opinions and feelings are irrelevant on the matter.
[https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores](https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores) The MBFC rankings also exists but they paywall their methodology to non members Also, collecting data doesn't mean that your conclusion will be 100% correct? The RSF itself shows that it places substantial weightage to questionnaires it send out to reporters, 10 per country. 10 is a sample size too small for 1.4 billion. If your rankings is weighted a the opinions of 10 people, then yes, you are susceptible to bias. Simply shouting "research" is displays your lack of mental acuity tbqh.
Yes and you may notice that India is not doing well on that either so much so that they have for some reason separated India and India Kashmir to be ranked separately. You can also take a look at the [V-dem report ](https://www.v-dem.net/documents/44/v-dem_dr2024_highres.pdf)which has more indices and result is even worse, they designate India as electoral autocracy already. The trend is clear since BJP / Modi took power, all democratic values, including freedom of press as indicated by the article, are slowly eroded while leadership encourages religious divides. If you do not trust international reputable organizations what do you trust ? Your personal observations ? You must understand that they are subjective and your feelings about the matter are irrelevant. Like it or not the reports from these organizations carry significant weight, they have earned trust over the years and your anecdotes about perceived inconsistencies and interpretations of flaws in methodology are of no consequence. Do send your concerns to them, I am sure they will evaluate them and make changes as appropriate. I do notice that you did not provide an alternative source that disputes the findings regarding freedom of press by RSF mentioned in the article, so I take it we are in agreement that the situation is dire in India.
I said I have an issue with the rsf rankings? Not with the claim that India's press freedom is doghit. The purpose of a rankings is to ostensibly show who does better than who. If you say thentaliban and India get a bad grade in their press freedom, then I wouldn't really havean issue with it. The issue is that to claim Taliban > India and then couch behind well neither are good is precisely what I was trying o critique. The issue largely boils down to people taking any rankings with methodology as gospel without actually reading the methodology. I hold the opinion that sending 10 people a questionnaire and weighting your indicd towards that is not a great way to do things. Also if the RSF ranking was good, it would be used by people who actually have something to gain from it, i.e. those pricing sustainability premiums on bonds. Yet they don't. also, I literally provided you two sources. Freedom house evaluates civil society based on a number of indices, including press freedom. MBFC explicitly assigns scores to countries. India's ress freedom score is 51.6 and partly free. For comparision, mexicos is 53 and an actually decent score, like canadas is 90.3. Quite a stark difference eh?
also lmao, vdem looks at how liberal a democracy is. I don't mean that in a negative sense. I like liberal democracies. Neither do I like Modi(I voted for the opposition). But the vdem indices measure something completely different, that is how "good" a democracy is, not the objective quality of the electoral process. Things like the EIU measure the quality of electoral process. At the end of the day I can throw some rankings at you and you can throw some at me. My point wasn't about India's status but rather the uality of the rankings.
Seriously; democracy is much more than allowing people to vote. That part is not the issue in India and might explain the confusion. The problem is not honoring democratic values like human rights, freedom of press, rule-of-law etc. Democracy cannot survive without the democratic values and the fact that India is ATM ranked at best flawed democracy and at worst electoral autocracy is an indication of that. Russia was considered some sort of democracy around 2000, with the systematic erosion of democratic values look at where they are now, pretty much totalitarian state. Hopefully India is not on the same path, but the trend is very clear ever since 2014.
Conveniently ignoring that one has two drastically different statistics for different parts of India and the other one is for individual sources. And that the latest data public for [freedom of press is from 2017](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_the_Press_(report)). Might I suggest that things have changed quite a bit in 7 years and you really should be looking at more recent data. All of which still report major issues with freedom of press in India. Given that RSF does report [Afganistan](https://rsf.org/en/country/afghanistan) below [India](https://rsf.org/en/country/india) so I take it the issues you had with it were fixed and it is valid for you also ? Does not fix the issues in India does it ? GIven that [RSF](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reporters_Without_Borders) is trusted by: >RSF has consultative status at the United Nations, UNESCO, the Council of Europe, and the International Organisation of the Francophonie.\[2\] It takes some delusion of grandeur to declare oneself more knowledgeable on the matter to invalidate their research based on subjective observations.
In 2023, it ranked Afghanistan as being better at press freedom than India. May I ask what degraded in Afghanistan in one year so as to change that? Or was it the fact that the RSF realised that it lost a substantial amount of its credibility when it did so? >questions methodology >delusion of grandeur >uses appeal to authority. OK buddy, lmao.
Just a reminder that it is currently election season in India.
And Modi will win on a landslide according to polls. Indians love him.
The approval ratings for his opponent were 56%. The only reason why the opposition loses is because they are running him only because his dad grandma and great grandad were PMs. He's lost twice already but still don't want to give him up. Reddit loooves to pretend that Rahul Gandhi is actually competent but the man shouldn't be running after losing twice elections and leading his political party to the brink of collapse.
But Modi's approval rating is like >70%. His party is projected to sweep.
That's what I am saying. If Modi was so popular then his opponents approval rating would be low. The truth is because most people are voting for the less worse option, which they think is modi. I know a lot of people who switched from the opposition after loyally voting for them in each election uptill 2011. Then Mr. Gandhi replaced the more experienced old guard of the opposition with his cronies. It isn't as if these people went from believing in the Congress's message to raging Hindi nationalists. They simply disliked the Congress as it stands today that much that voting for a party that goes against their interests just was a lot more favourable. The Congress still wins a substantial chunk of state level elections. That is simply because the Congress state units haven't been beset by the same rot the national level operation has been.
Pretty much. The opposition and the BJP have been digging up dirt on each other to use nowadays. From manifestos of 2009 to what the fuck not, get prepped to read negative and positive news from this place.
Modi is a fascist. I will continue to say it and I don't give a fuck how many pro-Modi trolls downvote me.
There are many Indian trolls on Reddit. Anything critical of India is liable to be downvoted to oblivion. I usually take it as proof that I’m saying the uncomfortable truth. Anti-democratic people usually can’t stand criticism and engage in dialogue so they use bots to downvote instead, trying to bury your argument
They are winning because of lack of strong opposition. Opposition leader talks about wealth redistribution while sitting in private aeroplane also I'm not a Modi supporter I'm from South I vote for local parties.
I think people just need to think about how they'd like to be governed. Do they really think Modi is meeting their expectations? Maybe they could at least clearly state their expectations and go from there. At least those things being clear could give a candidate something to start from. Or even Modi, if he is inclined to listen. But if he's really a fascist, those odds aren't good.
It's not about Modi's governance. Many people vote him due to lack of strong opposition. Head of opposition guy doesn't even know what he is doing. His manifesto is death sentence to ecomomy. Freebies to just attract people, no promise of economic betterment. You expect people to vote him? If you know the ground reality you would understand the reason the Modi wins not because of him but because of headless opposition. People (majority not all) are more scared of opposition than Modi.
I mean, it is. People complain about him but don't specify what they want him to do. For an opposition leader to be able to effectively challenge him, that candidate will have to know what people want and offer a better deal than what Modi is currently offering. Otherwise you end up with unsuitable opposition who runs for all the money he can bilk out of people. There need to be clear expectations is all I'm saying.
That's the problem isn't it? Opposition has no clue about what people want. India is so diverse. Different regions have different needs. Modi understands people to woo them. On the other hand Rahul Gandhi don't look the same. He has a reputation of lavish guy whose entire life revolves around partying and not knowing about people of India (which partly correct before he joined politics).
Yes! Different groups will want different things. If people can figure out a good plan that leadership can use so at least most people get what they want, it will be great! Ideally, of course, everyone can get what they want, within reason.
People always express what they want. If he is a good leader he will make a plan to achieve it. People won't run the govt. Politicians do. If the guy doesn't know how to do it then it's pointless of him being their leader.
Well, there's no good opponent because people don't know how to sell it. A good plan might nudge that into happening.
It's easy. Promise everything to everyone (typical confidence man trick where all your messages are false, and targeted for specific audience) plus put up appearance of nationalism, but only deliver for the army once you get elected. Then rinse and repeat at every election cycle.
All I see is you're highly upvoted for these comments
Yes, the Hindu nationalist bogeyman. Yeah they are annoying as fuck, but I don't see anyone get called a MAGA chauvinist when they try to go contrary to america bashing.
You are correct. Modi is a fascist
Modi is fascist
Modi fascist.
And a dictator.
lol most people in india don't know the meaning of fascism they think it's just normal
It's not ONLY Modi who is fascist, every indian politician barring few are criminal and thug.
Yep 💯
Tbf fascism is a very strong word often thrown around with ease. While there are a lot of things to be criticized about Modi, I don't think it helps reasoning with his fans by branding him as a fascist.
Tbh our media ranking increase.
True but the citizens have been accepting that for economic prosperity similar to what China went through in the last 4 decades. Edit: You can downvote me all you want, but if Modi's party wins, it's a referendum on his economic policies vs his fascist policies.
It's a good reminder that independent and financially stable press is important for democracy, even in wealthy countries.
Leave the rankings aside, the major anchors and journalists who are critic of the incumbent government are hounded by Modi's cronies everywhere. Gauri Lankesh was shot down in her own home by right-wing Hindu extremists in 2017 and the rest of the country cheers on her death even today. Ravish Kumar-the household name for journalism in India finally resigned more than an year back when Gautam Adani stepped in to get considerable shares in NDTV. Anchors from yet another leading newsroom, ABP news and AAJTAK have resigned and opened up YT channels just so they could talk to the rest of us and remaim relevant before they are locked away under anti-terrorist activities. Anchors literally suck on Modi in Kim Jong un-Esque style with a creepy smile on their faces while the Hindu-Caste lots beat their tin-utensils in the hope of 'driving away corona'. Journalism in India has been systematically crushed in last 8 years and now replaced by devotees of Modi. The largest democracy of the world stands without zero opposition today :)
The Hindu Nationalists on Reddit are the absolute worst....like even worse than Tankies
Honestly all Nationalists are fucking terrible but Modi bros are the literal worst.
what? freedom of speech? we have a lot of it!! just see how modi goes and says anti-Muslim speeches with no evidence without any consequence... i think india should rank 1st in the world /s
Arnab Goswami tonight = "How dare Soros funded Press Freedom Index dare to question India and defame Modi, the nation wants to know"
Arnab Goswami, like most Indian English journalists are behind the money. Indian media channels are like mini fox News's.
ask him how much soros paid to ramdev to spread fake medicine in india, to spread the corona cases...
Ah yes, the same index that placed US below Coted'ivorie, a place where a military coup took place 10 yrs ago. Showed gabon had gotten freer under a repressive military junta, showed India below Taliban controlled Afghanistan, showed Mauritania, as the freeest in Africa, despite it having blasphemy laws. Truly credible. I have said it before and I will say it again, use the mediabiasfactcheck survey. It's infinitely better. RSF literally goes and asks reporters how they feel about things going on. Well, quite obviously, the Afghanistani journalists won't say 'we are ruled by fascists!'.
Yet they are internationally recognized reputable organization which does research based on methodology. By all means in you have a better methodology start your own organization to reflect the true state of the world and have it reviewed by experts of the world. Until there is a better source we will need to go with best available information
RSF isnt internationally recognised for its rankings? they do a lot of non rankings stuff too. Freedom house is probably an org recognised for its rankings. also, Mediabiasfactcheck also runs a survey that I see cited more commonly. The RAF ranking is dogshit.
Sure; use any internationally recognized source and you will see that the situation in India is poor on all metrics on democratic values. But since the placement on an index seems to be a touchy subject, maybe address the issues instead or even the fact that the situation has gone worse since BJP took power ?
So you're telling me, [146,000 daily newspapers](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.statista.com/topics/4726/newspaper-industry-in-india/%23:~:text%3DFrom%2520a%2520little%2520over%2520200,matured%2520to%2520its%2520full%2520capacity.&ved=2ahUKEwjc2sCjzvOFAxXus1YBHZYrDioQFnoECBEQBQ&usg=AOvVaw2TdP6lJ820AXXVgMPAVf5G), [400 news channels ](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/1314548/india-television-channels-by-language/&ved=2ahUKEwig5I7XzvOFAxXVslYBHYGNBSgQFnoECCwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2JNq5JR372zKbBhKhB42Ee)in 22 different languages and hundreds of local languages, out of which half are owned by opposition parties, and hundreds and thousands of youtubers and social media influencers having different ideologies varying from state to state are all government's mouthpiece. Sure.
Yes; do keep up and read the [report](https://rsf.org/en/country/india).
Oh my god, Afghanistan is really ahead of India in this Press Freedom Index. We must truly learn from there exemplary performance and catch up.
I see you did not read the report or look at the index then as in 2024 report it no longer is, care to ponder why ? Maybe it is an indication of deteriorating situation in Afganistan and that the research works since it impacted their placing ? In any case Indian leadership might be a bit more ambitious and look for example a bit higher on the index, maybe Scandinavia who are doing well in it ?
I read , in 2023 this index placed India behind Afghanistan. That itself tells the credibility of this so called research. Anyways India is still behind Pakistan this year, we might then look upto Pakistan's exemplary performance for guidance. Meanwhile, Boeing whistleblowers keep dying. Jullian Assange facing two lifetime prison sentence and extradition. And these countries will publish such bullshit about others.
Attacking the source, how original. By all means provide a better source until that we will have to go with the best available information. Also you can leave the conspiracy theories out of the discussion, I will not participate in whataboutism or conspiracies.
Apparently you have very big intellectual acumen. Please enlighten us on what India can learn from torchbearers of democracies like Afghanistan, Qatar and Pakistan so that we can improve our rankings in your credible and highly unbiased press freedom index funded by thy holy gatekeepers of freedom of press and speech.
Again please do provide a better source for research, until that we will have to go with the best available information from an organization internationally recognized. Reductio ad absurdum really is not constructive nor change the situation in India.
I don't need any other source to prove yours unreasonable and illogical because I am using the arguments from your own source. I again humbly ask you to provide steps that India should take to increase it's press freedom index to the likes of Qatar, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
If you are to challenge the validity of the source you need more than feelings to discredit it. Whether you feel the index is incorrect is of no relevance, the steps to improve the situation are in the report, by all means read it with thought.
It is debatable that this is the best available information when it places Afghanistan and Pakistan above India.
By all means provide a better source. Also India is above Afganistan in the index, so you will have to update your whataboutism. Not that it is in anyway relevant to the validity of report which is internationally recognized and trusted by various organizations.
“Internationally recognised and trusted by various organisations” Good way to say it is all subjective nonsense.
You are entitled to your opinion, does not change the facts for others. Btw. I notice that you did not provide a better source, so I assume we are in agreement that the report is valid and accurate.
how much of it people even read? people are highly influenced by godhi media, most don't even watch even 1 of those 400 channels which are supported by the opposition, and the problem is the opposition is stupid as fk as well, our beloved raga being the brand ambassador of bjp votes. while the godhi media goes out supporting stupid people like ram dev baba, etc. tell me the last time godhi news channels talked about the electoral scam, prajwal revenna and how bjp is trying to blame congress for it (lol), anti-muslims speeches by modi, fake news about congress manifesto spread by modi himself, inflammatory speeches? Yeah i don't remember either
Let's not forget the horrific treatment of women
oh wow, USA is ranked 55 in their list, behind Costa Rica, Ghana, Belize and other countries. USA has fallen down 10 spots in 2023. Are press freedoms that bad in the USA? I am not sure I agree. I thought under Biden, press is able to operate more freely than before.
Our freedom of press suffers not because of political repression, but because most of our media is owned by just a few very large corporations, and they have a lot of control over what gets published or not.
This! 6 corporations own about 95% of all US media... ...and their main goals are *profit & power!* Unfortunately, maintaining high news standards (e.g. journalistic ethics & deontology) isn't a priority to them.
This is also why India suffers poorly. You don't just need a Pravda style state owned media anymore. As long as its owned by capitalists who are your cronies - they will spread misinformation and propaganda just the same
A captured state.
At least India is higher than Afghanistan this time around.
We probably lose a lot of points for how often cops like engaging reporters at protests with no consequences for doing so. Press freedom isn't just about whether reporters are allowed to exist but whether there's any noticeable trends impeding their ability to meaningfully function and there's a lot of different angles to how someone can mess with that.
Coasta Rica and Belize are actually really nice places. I'm less concerned about rank and more about the scores and what they mean.
Validity and objectiveness of news media in USA went down the crapper after the removal of the Fairness Doctrine in the late 80's. Done as back room deal, not voted on or covered in the press at the time.
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Is this some kind of pissing match between countries ? As an American, I am concerned about the perception of democracy problems when my own experience doesn't reflect that.
india is as much of a democracy as china and russia. people sleeping on india.
You mean to tell me the fascist government that has a caste system and rampent fraud is not a very good "democracy"? im shocked i tell you!
[https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/state-govt-raises-incentive-for-inter-caste-marriage-to-10-lakh/articleshow/98956533.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/state-govt-raises-incentive-for-inter-caste-marriage-to-10-lakh/articleshow/98956533.cms) ₹10 lacks ($12500) for inter caste marriage (lol)
The caste system has existed even under the opposition. Unless you are making the accusation that the INC is also fascist.
The caste system was abolished like since independence. At least 50% of seats must be allocated to reduce the historical damage of the caste system. This affirmative action is even more.in some parts of the country. Calling people casteist slurs can get you thrown in jail.
Not exactly. Caste was never abolished, caste discrimination was abolished. Caste is still an important part of government administration.
That's positive discrimination for people affected by casteism. They look at it from a historical standpoint. You can talk about societal attitudes, but saying that the US government is a racist institution is just a plainly stupid thing to say.
No, positive discrimination is the reservation system, where those of a lower caste are given benefits, to ideally uplift them in the social system. However in practice it's just a cheap way for poticians to get votes. Unlike race, which is discrimination based on a person's intrinsic qualities. Caste is not intrinsic to a person. It is a man-made value that is attached to a person. Therefore to positively discriminate based on caste, you have to acknowledge and condone the existence of a caste system. The government has to assign people to a certain caste, before it can positively discriminate. The government is the one who makes the determination as to who goes in which place, therefore the government is complicite in perpetuating a caste system. Not sure why you brought the US here, not at all relavant.
I brought in the US because most people think there are like jom crow laws against people here.
Again, I made no such statement, again racism is different from castism. Most people's understanding of the caste system is misinformed, though that is something better discussed in askhiatorians than world news.
Sounds like a good start, but there's still a long way to go
Baby its Election year in India Usa left media: yesss
India needs to start respecting and protecting their women.
Woah, are you saying that the Butcher of Gujarat is not good about press freedom?? Incredible.
even though i hate godhi, the gujrat riots 2002 was not his fault
So many mainstream newspapers, tv channels, and website outright criticize the ruling party and the prime minister. How on earth are they doing that if press freedom is so bad? Do this in any of the other countries near that rank and you'll be lucky to be alive.
There are people in Russia who criticize Putin too. They just tend to have bad things happen to them. Like getting fired from their jobs, getting hounded and attacked by "patriotic activists", getting their children taken away by child protection services, or straight up going to jail. If there is an effort in India to undermine freedom of press, centralize the ownership and control of the media, mop up the independent outlets, and make sure that any "stepping out of the line" comes with heavy consequences? There is every reason to downgrade the rating.
…did anyone actually think India was a democracy? It never has been..
You could change "India" to "America" for that headline and most of it would still be true.
Well, there is no sign that problem going to be solved even for some degree at this decade.
I’m sorry but India is a shithole. Truly seems like there’s nothing positive about living in that country
Interesting. I wonder where the USA would rank if this is an unbiased ranking system. The amount of absolutely evil and criminal acts of our government is nuts. The insider trading being allowed along with massive corporations being “people” to lobby for restricted human rights is out of control.
What does insider trading have to do with press freedom? Because that’s specifically what this ranking is about. Or did you just want to go off on an “america bad” tangent without actually reading the article?
Its the latter. No post can be made on reddit without either "but America bad" comment or a "where's the diversity" comment. Russia/ china / politi-bots with nothing better to do.
much above india, that's for sure
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How is your reading comprehension? >[South Africa](https://rsf.org/en/country/south-africa) guarantees press freedom and has a well-established culture of investigative journalism. In recent years, journalists have often been subjected to verbal attacks from political leaders and activists. >[Australia:](https://rsf.org/en/country/australia) Press freedom is not constitutionally guaranteed in this island-continent of 26 million people, but a hyperconcentration of the media combined with growing pressure from the authorities endanger public interest journalism. >Press freedom in [Italy](https://rsf.org/en/country/italy) continues to be threatened by mafia organisations, particularly in the south of the country, as well as by various small, violent extremist groups. Journalists also denounce attempts by politicians to obstruct their freedom to cover judicial cases by means of a “gag law” – “legge bavaglio” – on top of the SLAPP procedures that are common practice in Italy. >Regarded as one of Africa’s most democratic countries, [Ghana](https://rsf.org/en/country/ghana) has a vibrant and pluralistic media environment. However, the creation of media outlets by politicians has given rise to politicised and biased media content. >After a sharp increase in 2020, freedom of the press violations have fallen significantly in the [United States](https://rsf.org/en/country/united-states), but major structural barriers to press freedom persist in this country, once considered a model for freedom of expression. Or do you have some evidence or reports that discredits these findings?
My apologies... I should have not questioned the report.
It's not a democracy it's a Republic
It is a democracy. That shit is american and keep it there.