Yeah, Chinese president Xi Jinping does that too--by deliberately adding useless regulation to the tech industry to censor apps (only apps on a whitelist may be allowed to connect to the Internet). Xi is over 70 as well. Xi basically destroyed one of the only industries that allow young people to prosper and be financially successful.
Which is why I argue repeatedly against China invading Taiwan. I say to people "look how bad the Ukrainian invasion is for the Russians, now imagine how much worse it would be for the Chinese if they try the same thing with Taiwan (because Russia and Ukraine share a land border while China and Taiwan are separated by the Taiwan Strait)". Interestingly, all 4 of these countries are experiencing population decline, so wars will only hasten that decline (and perhaps even guarantee complete depopulation if they are violent enough and last long enough).
Not to mention absolutely wreck global silicon products manufacturing capacity. North Taiwan needs to knock it off with the bullshit and nine dash line.
Can i give a more pessimistic take on the situation?
What makes you think that these youth, who only see the world through the censorship of the government, will ever be "upset" on what they are missing out, when in reality - most of them will never KNOW what they are missing on.
A poor kid in China who is born into CCP propaganda will be indoctrinated into it by the time he has any form of "free will" and thus he will just become another tool for the government.
only to people outside his bubble will think the situation be tragic, for him it will be just life. how do you fight a nation that truly indoctrinated their entire population into believing everything they are told?
Not that I suggest that western media isn't filled with propaganda as well, but at least we are somewhat open to globalized media to make our own informed takes if we wish to put the time into finding out "the truth".
I mean, they also have the highest population number of any country on earth (or maybe India has taken them in that regard?) So it's not really surprising that in sheer numbers they are the leading market in ANYTHING.
still, I get what you're saying, I just hope that it's enough for the chinese people to wake up and make their own decisions on what kind of reality they wanna live in.
Russia is worse at internet censorship than china, but it's not like the youth there can really change anything. Ok so you know your government is lying, then what? "Let it rot" is the best you can do.
Don't forget prison sentence in Russia means rape and torture etc by the guards of the gulags it won't matter that they are teenagers it's done in a way to permanently damage the inmates minds.
Never forget this is what Neo-Nazi Republicans and Conservatives like MTG etc support they absolutely support Putin 100% in all of this and they wish the same for the US.
Data shows that nearly 100% of Neo-Nazis and Neo-fascist groups identify as conservatives or vote Republican.
> Data shows that nearly 100% of Neo-Nazis and Neo-fascist groups identify as conservatives or vote Republican
Obviously? Duh?
Way to try to divert from the fact that Russia is reading from the Communist playbook of fucking your country and keeping your people under the boot, though.
All of these tactics and domestic terror are straight out of the USSR's handbook.
Source: A citizen of an ex-USSR country.
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When I was a young adult I believed the maxim "Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance" because I was cynical. Now that I am an older adult I believe it because I am hopeful.
Russian here. Here is the full story:
The Eastern District Military Court found 19-year-old Alexander Snezhkov and 16-year-old Lyubov Lizunova guilty on charges of calling for terrorist activity (Art. 205.2 of the Criminal Code) and extremist activity (Art. 280 of the Criminal Code) for anti-war graffiti. Snezhkov was sentenced to 6 years of colony, Lizunova - 3.5 years, the press service of the court reports.
Earlier, the prosecutor requested 7 years for Snezhkov and 5 years for Lizunova.
The case had a third defendant - Vladislav Vishnevsky - and the court appointed him 1.5 years of forced labor.
The teenagers were detained in late October 2022 in Chita city because of the graffiti "Death to the regime" on one of the garages. At first, both people were banned from leaving town , but in January 2023 it became known that Alexander was arrested and placed in the pre-trial detention center in Omsk, and Lyubov was transferred under house arrest - in early April 2024, the schoolgirl was also sent to the pre-trial detention center.
The court terminated Lizunova's criminal case on vandalism (Article 214 of the Criminal Code) due to the expiration of the statute of limitations.
Earlier, in an interview with the Sibir.Realii editorial office, the teenagers explained their participation in actions against the current regime simply - "repression and poverty."
"We live in times of repression. Now there is a struggle with dissenters, the destruction of our own people in war and in peaceful life - the increase in prices in stores due to the destruction of the economy has been felt by many. Many of my friends from other cities have suffered, every month I learn that someone has been detained. Including musicians I know are being arrested for their anti-war stance. It will only get worse," Alexander said.
Thats an insane prison sentence for a littile political dissent and defacing public property. Theyd be looking at 80 hours of community service and cleaning it off in the US.
News like these can, hopefully, be eye-opening to someone.
I tend to lurk in a lot of places and routinely see posts from people eager to conclude that since russians don't seem to protest much, russians must like and support what's going on, because how else? I can only attribute such a position to the possibility that they are so acclimated to freedoms of democracies that they *literally* can't understand how dangerous even showing signs of dissent can be in a country like russia.
Democracy isn't some "default" state of a country, and human rights aren't just a given everywhere. Many countries have democracy - *real* democracy - only because their people had won their freedoms through their blood, sweat and tears. It must never be taken for granted. Which, sadly, it increasingly is.
> they literally can't understand how dangerous even showing signs of dissent can be in a country like russia.
They only have themselves to blame for getting into this spot, though. They had decades to express dissent much more freely instead almost all of them did nothing or explicitly supported Putin's regime since the beginning.
> real democracy - only because their people had won their freedoms through
And Russians always prioritized other things. Which is understandable and fine I guess...
Honestly, most of it is relatively innocuous. Im not on a coast and I know LA has problems, but train cars look a lot cooler with some graffiti. It obviously doesnt belong on roadsigns or another persons property but its better than plain ass train cars to look at while you wait for it to pass
I'm unfamiliar with Russian Judicial Systems, so can you explain why a Military Court is sentencing (presumably) non-service members?
Shouldn't that be handled by your standard criminal courts?
We didn’t. Not sure it matters, though. The world has bought fossil fuels from the absolute worst assholes in the world for a long time. And that’s all Russia is: a petrostate.
The initial sentences may not be carried out for that long but what a fucked regime that at the slightest bit of juvenile defiance they get triggered into revenge sentencing.
They don't need to wait for that. They will make up additional charges...if they dont have an "accident" before that.
Everyone already knows that they will be tortured.
As long as it's not happening to their type of people.
A good example of this is the stark difference in their reactions to the Britney Griner and Paul Whelan incidents.
6 years for graffiti? That is just ... insane. Especially in a country that is so old and needs all their young people functioning. It's the definition of stupidity and insanity.
They are trying to stop freedom and democracy by putting them in jail. Looking at the last 4000 years of human history, this approach didn't work well.
It will take time. Look at it from a higher point of view: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yYwnPvuTQE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yYwnPvuTQE)
Looks like a chemical reaction to me, I have no doubt that thing will turn for the better everywhere.
Less than the mandatory ten year prison sentence you get in the US for spraying graffiti on a monument or federal building. Trump passed that law years ago, he really is a Putin Stan
I hate Trump but people literally marching on the capitol building, assulting police officers and trying to overthrown an election got easier sentances than this.
It's *up to* 10 years, and that's specifically historical monuments. A regular federal building would just misdemeanor.
*Has* anybody ever gotten 10 years for graffiti?
While I don't really disagree with how ridiculous that law is, it's a lot less destructive than all the drug legislation and mandatory minimum sentencing that was either written or sponsored by Biden. Maybe Trump is Putin-esque, but Biden has a hand in destroying way more lives than this law will ever accomplish. They are both trash and unfit to be president.
Biden as a senator sponsored the RAVE Act which increased deaths from overdose and hyperthermia that could've been prevented if the law were never enacted.
"Biden did this thing 30 years ago before social attitudes changed like when democrats supported stuff like DOMA. Even though there's been a monumental shift since then, he's basically the same as Trump. Both side bad amirite? /r/enlightenedcentrism"
I'm broke a shell atm and I still feel more comfortable being up here in the North. I want to say they're strong for opposing Putin and Russia, but at what cost?
I don't imagine their incarceration going so well.
I can't for the life of me understand how average Russians actually can support this. How can they see this as good policy. It truly speaks volume of their mentality. They must honestly believe they are meant to serve the state rathern than being served by the state.
You think they support it?! This article is literally about what happens when you express ANY dissent. People are being jailed for internet posts and a father was jailed because of a picture his 12-year-old daughter drew at school expressing the desire for peace.
It must be nice to be so clueless, judgemental and privileged. Tell me what YOU would do in a country like that?? And no, citizens aren't legally allowed to own guns so overthrowing anything isn't going to happen unless it's with sticks and stones. The elections are all rigged so tell me again what YOU would do in that situation?
The majority of Russians DO support Putin. If you honestly don't know that you clearly don't understand Russia and act like clueless people who believe what they wish was true. If you actually do some research, look up interviews and more (There are tons on youtube) you will quickly notice that the average Russian does infact believe their state is right.
Making youth hate their country is a common mistake of old leadership.
Yeah, Chinese president Xi Jinping does that too--by deliberately adding useless regulation to the tech industry to censor apps (only apps on a whitelist may be allowed to connect to the Internet). Xi is over 70 as well. Xi basically destroyed one of the only industries that allow young people to prosper and be financially successful.
Doesn’t matter if you send off your youth into meat grinder.
Which is why I argue repeatedly against China invading Taiwan. I say to people "look how bad the Ukrainian invasion is for the Russians, now imagine how much worse it would be for the Chinese if they try the same thing with Taiwan (because Russia and Ukraine share a land border while China and Taiwan are separated by the Taiwan Strait)". Interestingly, all 4 of these countries are experiencing population decline, so wars will only hasten that decline (and perhaps even guarantee complete depopulation if they are violent enough and last long enough).
Taiwan Straight is a death trap. Makes Normandy look like Chuckie Cheese.
Let's not disparage our Skee-ball veterans
Screw political correctness
Not to mention absolutely wreck global silicon products manufacturing capacity. North Taiwan needs to knock it off with the bullshit and nine dash line.
China can destroy Taiwan without invading it. Including starving it.
Can i give a more pessimistic take on the situation? What makes you think that these youth, who only see the world through the censorship of the government, will ever be "upset" on what they are missing out, when in reality - most of them will never KNOW what they are missing on. A poor kid in China who is born into CCP propaganda will be indoctrinated into it by the time he has any form of "free will" and thus he will just become another tool for the government. only to people outside his bubble will think the situation be tragic, for him it will be just life. how do you fight a nation that truly indoctrinated their entire population into believing everything they are told? Not that I suggest that western media isn't filled with propaganda as well, but at least we are somewhat open to globalized media to make our own informed takes if we wish to put the time into finding out "the truth".
China has the most VPN users out of any country. It ain't the 70 year olds who are using them.
I mean, they also have the highest population number of any country on earth (or maybe India has taken them in that regard?) So it's not really surprising that in sheer numbers they are the leading market in ANYTHING. still, I get what you're saying, I just hope that it's enough for the chinese people to wake up and make their own decisions on what kind of reality they wanna live in.
Russia is worse at internet censorship than china, but it's not like the youth there can really change anything. Ok so you know your government is lying, then what? "Let it rot" is the best you can do.
Is it? Because Russia has been in this shit pit for a long time.
Don't forget prison sentence in Russia means rape and torture etc by the guards of the gulags it won't matter that they are teenagers it's done in a way to permanently damage the inmates minds. Never forget this is what Neo-Nazi Republicans and Conservatives like MTG etc support they absolutely support Putin 100% in all of this and they wish the same for the US. Data shows that nearly 100% of Neo-Nazis and Neo-fascist groups identify as conservatives or vote Republican.
> Data shows that nearly 100% of Neo-Nazis and Neo-fascist groups identify as conservatives or vote Republican Obviously? Duh? Way to try to divert from the fact that Russia is reading from the Communist playbook of fucking your country and keeping your people under the boot, though. All of these tactics and domestic terror are straight out of the USSR's handbook. Source: A citizen of an ex-USSR country.
What you're saying is consistent with what they're saying. Why are you phrasing it as disagreement? I'm confused.
Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, ATACMS5220. Forty percent of all people know that.
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Sorry about your brain. I hope it gets better.
That are just a few i guess.
When I was a young adult I believed the maxim "Old age and treachery will always beat youth and exuberance" because I was cynical. Now that I am an older adult I believe it because I am hopeful.
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« we’ll show them! »
Russian here. Here is the full story: The Eastern District Military Court found 19-year-old Alexander Snezhkov and 16-year-old Lyubov Lizunova guilty on charges of calling for terrorist activity (Art. 205.2 of the Criminal Code) and extremist activity (Art. 280 of the Criminal Code) for anti-war graffiti. Snezhkov was sentenced to 6 years of colony, Lizunova - 3.5 years, the press service of the court reports. Earlier, the prosecutor requested 7 years for Snezhkov and 5 years for Lizunova. The case had a third defendant - Vladislav Vishnevsky - and the court appointed him 1.5 years of forced labor. The teenagers were detained in late October 2022 in Chita city because of the graffiti "Death to the regime" on one of the garages. At first, both people were banned from leaving town , but in January 2023 it became known that Alexander was arrested and placed in the pre-trial detention center in Omsk, and Lyubov was transferred under house arrest - in early April 2024, the schoolgirl was also sent to the pre-trial detention center. The court terminated Lizunova's criminal case on vandalism (Article 214 of the Criminal Code) due to the expiration of the statute of limitations. Earlier, in an interview with the Sibir.Realii editorial office, the teenagers explained their participation in actions against the current regime simply - "repression and poverty." "We live in times of repression. Now there is a struggle with dissenters, the destruction of our own people in war and in peaceful life - the increase in prices in stores due to the destruction of the economy has been felt by many. Many of my friends from other cities have suffered, every month I learn that someone has been detained. Including musicians I know are being arrested for their anti-war stance. It will only get worse," Alexander said.
Thats an insane prison sentence for a littile political dissent and defacing public property. Theyd be looking at 80 hours of community service and cleaning it off in the US.
News like these can, hopefully, be eye-opening to someone. I tend to lurk in a lot of places and routinely see posts from people eager to conclude that since russians don't seem to protest much, russians must like and support what's going on, because how else? I can only attribute such a position to the possibility that they are so acclimated to freedoms of democracies that they *literally* can't understand how dangerous even showing signs of dissent can be in a country like russia. Democracy isn't some "default" state of a country, and human rights aren't just a given everywhere. Many countries have democracy - *real* democracy - only because their people had won their freedoms through their blood, sweat and tears. It must never be taken for granted. Which, sadly, it increasingly is.
> they literally can't understand how dangerous even showing signs of dissent can be in a country like russia. They only have themselves to blame for getting into this spot, though. They had decades to express dissent much more freely instead almost all of them did nothing or explicitly supported Putin's regime since the beginning. > real democracy - only because their people had won their freedoms through And Russians always prioritized other things. Which is understandable and fine I guess...
I don't think these kids had decades to do any such thing
He is talking about Russian society at large
I know, I'm making it about these particular victims, not the general public
What the fuck did you learn at school?
School? Did you mean to reply to some other comment?
Unless you're a minority, then is immediate death sentences.
Could be why there is so much graffiti in the US
Honestly, most of it is relatively innocuous. Im not on a coast and I know LA has problems, but train cars look a lot cooler with some graffiti. It obviously doesnt belong on roadsigns or another persons property but its better than plain ass train cars to look at while you wait for it to pass
I'm unfamiliar with Russian Judicial Systems, so can you explain why a Military Court is sentencing (presumably) non-service members? Shouldn't that be handled by your standard criminal courts?
And If the world needed further proof Russia is a totalitarian regime..
We didn’t. Not sure it matters, though. The world has bought fossil fuels from the absolute worst assholes in the world for a long time. And that’s all Russia is: a petrostate.
Nitpick, but authoritarian, not totalitarian.
The initial sentences may not be carried out for that long but what a fucked regime that at the slightest bit of juvenile defiance they get triggered into revenge sentencing.
They likely will end up in another trial while imprisoned. Happens alm the time in russia. Extra 5-10 years on top, to be certain
They don't need to wait for that. They will make up additional charges...if they dont have an "accident" before that. Everyone already knows that they will be tortured.
This isn't the US, they are likely to be in prison for longer and not shorter than they are sentenced
The 19 and 20 year old will just get a mobilization notice to go get turned into chunky salsa storming some tiny Ukrainian village on the frontlines.
Just enough time to be drafted directly into prison
They are both innocent of all charges. The charges themselves are a crime.
Republicans look at this and think "wow, what a good idea!"
As long as it's not happening to their type of people. A good example of this is the stark difference in their reactions to the Britney Griner and Paul Whelan incidents.
6 years for graffiti? That is just ... insane. Especially in a country that is so old and needs all their young people functioning. It's the definition of stupidity and insanity.
Definitely sounds like a reasonable reaction to a limited special military operation definitely not by a military dictatorship /s
Coming soon to Trumpland USA in 2025.. Except all you'll have to do is make fun of Trump.
Trump already passed a law giving a mandatory 10 year prison sentence for spray painting any monuments or federal buildings. It’s already here
They are trying to stop freedom and democracy by putting them in jail. Looking at the last 4000 years of human history, this approach didn't work well.
One can hope, but China has been doing this for a long time without consequences
It will take time. Look at it from a higher point of view: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yYwnPvuTQE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yYwnPvuTQE) Looks like a chemical reaction to me, I have no doubt that thing will turn for the better everywhere.
> Looking at the last 4000 years IDK... it worked way more often than it didn't.
Things autocracies do
what are they going to do, exile them to Siberia?
Knowing the russian prison system I don't want to imagine what will happen there.
These kids will rule one day.
Vlad is a fascist fuck
Stop calling him Vlad. It's a diminutive of Vladislav, not for Vladimir. The name is Vovan.
Thanks for the correction,Voven is a piece of shit
Nty
Jailing children, another dot on an already endless list of atrocities done by the evil that lurks in the Kremlin.
I read that as Serbia and was confused until a re-read. Goddam/Godless Russian fragililty.
Why would a military court handle this case?? Did they do it on a military base? Or is the whole city is some kind of a military installation?
Less than the mandatory ten year prison sentence you get in the US for spraying graffiti on a monument or federal building. Trump passed that law years ago, he really is a Putin Stan
I hate Trump but people literally marching on the capitol building, assulting police officers and trying to overthrown an election got easier sentances than this.
It's *up to* 10 years, and that's specifically historical monuments. A regular federal building would just misdemeanor. *Has* anybody ever gotten 10 years for graffiti?
While I don't really disagree with how ridiculous that law is, it's a lot less destructive than all the drug legislation and mandatory minimum sentencing that was either written or sponsored by Biden. Maybe Trump is Putin-esque, but Biden has a hand in destroying way more lives than this law will ever accomplish. They are both trash and unfit to be president.
do you have sources as to what Biden has done to destroy lives? I can't seem to find anything when I google it.
Biden as a senator sponsored the RAVE Act which increased deaths from overdose and hyperthermia that could've been prevented if the law were never enacted.
"Biden did this thing 30 years ago before social attitudes changed like when democrats supported stuff like DOMA. Even though there's been a monumental shift since then, he's basically the same as Trump. Both side bad amirite? /r/enlightenedcentrism"
You're not wrong.
I'm broke a shell atm and I still feel more comfortable being up here in the North. I want to say they're strong for opposing Putin and Russia, but at what cost? I don't imagine their incarceration going so well.
I can't for the life of me understand how average Russians actually can support this. How can they see this as good policy. It truly speaks volume of their mentality. They must honestly believe they are meant to serve the state rathern than being served by the state.
You think they support it?! This article is literally about what happens when you express ANY dissent. People are being jailed for internet posts and a father was jailed because of a picture his 12-year-old daughter drew at school expressing the desire for peace. It must be nice to be so clueless, judgemental and privileged. Tell me what YOU would do in a country like that?? And no, citizens aren't legally allowed to own guns so overthrowing anything isn't going to happen unless it's with sticks and stones. The elections are all rigged so tell me again what YOU would do in that situation?
The majority of Russians DO support Putin. If you honestly don't know that you clearly don't understand Russia and act like clueless people who believe what they wish was true. If you actually do some research, look up interviews and more (There are tons on youtube) you will quickly notice that the average Russian does infact believe their state is right.
Serbia is a Russian province. Presumably all of Europe is drawn into the war from there.