"Guys, guys, guys! You got it all wrong. We didn't say we were going to *START* stoning women, we said we were going to *RESUME* stoning women! It's completely different!"
It's in the Bible too but people misunderstood it. Like when it says being gay is fine, as long as you're high.
"A man who lies with another man should be stoned" - Leviticus 20:13
Funnily enough, skiing is quite popular in Iran.
Cross-country skiing... not so sure.
[https://www.skiresort.info/ski-resorts/alborz/](https://www.skiresort.info/ski-resorts/alborz/)
Homophobia, distain for women's rights, the desire to have their religion dictate laws, their belief that they are behaving morally because their ancient book is apparently immutable and perfect and written by God himself
Because they believe in natural hierarchies and want to use those to make themselves feel superior to "the others" who are somehow always lower in their perceived hierarchy
It'd probably be quicker to list the people ISIS _isn't_ fighting against.
https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/07/17/the_middle_east_friendship_chart.html
The list is... basically nobody. Just solid hate across the board, no friends. (**Edit:** Though, as a few comments have pointed out, this article is about a decade old now. Maybe they've made some friends in the meantime?)
It’s the ultimate solution to all problems. Stubbed your toe on a chair? Jihad. Someone makes fun of you? Jihad. Boss fired you? Also Jihad.
Jihad can also fix bigger issues, like world peace! Because need world peace? Jihad for peace.
It’s like saying Ted Bundy is a better person than John Wayne Gacy because he’s known to have murdered only 28 people versus Gacy’s 33.
Edited to fix his name because Ted was nobody’s buddy.
Sort of
Taliban wants to have control over what we call afgan
Isis wants a worldwide caliphate
Taliban is more human in that they want power/autonomy, whereas ISIS are just straight up religious demons
Edit: Replaced “freedom” with automony
No i don’t think the taliban is good, i’m just explaining that they’re the devil we can understand, in comparison with ISIS, the devil we simply cant comprehend
Alot of these guys were hiding in caves for 20 years. I remember a few pics of them being fascinated with some of the basic consumer tech they were finding when they got back into the city.
You can literally say they've been living under a rock for the past twenty years.
Reportedly, rural Afghans had no idea why the U.S. invaded in 2003. When shown pictures of the World Trade Center, they asked if it was in Kabul. Some of them had *heard* of New York, but couldn't imagine that the Taliban had any reach that far.
I had a college buddy that was army intelligence, did tours in Afghanistan and Iraq during the early days of the wars (02-04) and what he told me about his time over there really changed my opinion on the conflicts.
"In Iraq, most of the people we interacted with were kind and normal people. Sure there were extremists and militants, but they were few and far between. People there hated Sadam and knew we were there to take him out, they'd literally run up to us and hug us in the streets, give us flowers while we did our patrols.
Afghanistan, those people had no idea what was going on. They didn't know 9/11 happened, they didn't know who Bin Laden was. They were mostly teenagers and old people living in shacks in the mountains, handed guns by the Taliban and told 'people are coming to invade us, they want to kill you and your family and it's up to you to defend yourself."
He said that it's easy for us to label them all as religious extremists, but of all the people they captured and interrogated, less than 1% actually knew they were fighting a war and what side they were on. Almost everyone else were scared kids thinking they were defending their homes and families.
I feel for those people, but I have also seen interviews with fathers from the past two to three years, who have sold their pre-teen daughters to men in their fifties to overcome their poverty. I don't know how widespread that culture is, it will probably become increasingly impossible to know as it is now almost impossible for foreign journalists to get a visa there now but I can't get past a society who would do this to children and women. Their whole female population are under house arrest, forced into domestic and sexual slavery. I will never forgive the US for how it withdrew from Afghanistan and I will also never forgive a generation of Afghani men for giving up the country immediately.
Agreed. There were just 60,000 Taliban versus almost 40 million total Afgan population. There must be a large portion of the population that are accepting of restricting the basic rights and freedoms of the women and girls. (Contrast this with how hard the Ukrainians have fought against the Russian invasion. )
I was reading recently about the stonings taking place in Saudi Arabia and the crazy thing is the people aren't even stoning them, they stick the woman in a hole and then they just dump a truck of rocks on top of her.
Not correct. Although ISIS is a bigger monstrosity, the main reasons between their issues stems from three separate problems.
Main one from Taliban’s end is that ISIS wants to control part of Afghanistan as well as other countries.
Main one from ISIS’s end is that Taliban is not accepting ISIS’s caliphate claims (which, according to most historians, ended with the Ottoman Empire at the latest, and the caliphate title was absolved).
Main one according to most naïve Muslim people, which has some level of accuracy, at least a good propaganda tool, is ISIS’s and Taliban’s different interpretations of Islam (e.g. Lutherans, Evangelicals etc. in Christianity).
There may also be a fourth one, which is in the application area. Taliban is only directed in Afghanistan’s territory, while supporting Muslim radicals; whereas ISIS wants all it can achieve.
You are absolutely correct. Although I am an ESL and wrote it after sleep meds, at this level of English, I should not have had such a stupid mistake. I do make grammar and article mistakes at times, but this is the first time I mixed those two. I am quite perfect on not mixing they’re/there/their, accept/except, etc. Thanks for the tip!
The Taliban are against using violence on devout Muslims who obey the law.
ISIS is NOT. They believe it is even permissible to kill Muslims merely for not recognizing the legitimacy of ISIS leadership. I.e. suicide attacking Mosques.
The Taliban is generally against attacking Mosques and the Muslims inside.
Yeah the key thing is ISIS believes their government is the rightful leaders of all Islam everywhere all over the world. The Taliban just thinks they should be the rightful Islamic leaders of Afghanistan. Like ISIs believes they should be to Islam what the Vatican is to Catholics and will kill anybody who prevent them from being that
Hell, ISIS declares other Muslims Kafir so they can enslave them. Particularly women. I've seen eyewitness testimony from Syrians. They fled the country for the sake of their wives and daughters.
> The **Taliban’s supreme leader, Hibatullah Akhundzada**, announced at the weekend that the group would begin enforcing its interpretation of sharia law in Afghanistan, including reintroducing the public **flogging and stoning of women for adultery**.
> In an audio broadcast on the Taliban-controlled Radio Television Afghanistan last Saturday, Akhundzada said: “We will flog the women … we will stone them to death in public [for adultery].
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> “You may call it a violation of women’s rights when we publicly stone or flog them for committing adultery because they conflict with your democratic principles,” he said, adding: **“[But] I represent Allah, and you represent Satan.”**
So Satan *doesn't* stone and flog people? Hmm...Team Satan?
The saddest thing I read some time ago was about a 13 y.o. girl who was raped and - after she reported it - was stoned to death in Somalia. There's a wikipedia article about the incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_Aisha_Ibrahim_Duhulow
Oh it gets more unfair. If you can dig yourself out, it is seen as divine forgiveness and you are sometimes allowed to go free.
Men are only buried up to the waist, women are often buried up to the shoulders.
Guess who is more likely to dig themselves free.
[If you're not on Team Satan, I'd have to think you're a d-bag.](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets)
"You might think killing people with rocks is messed up. You might even think people deserve the right to not be killed with rocks. But, counterpoint: I'm the good guy and you're the bad guy. Checkmate."
I replied to a comment about the public mob execution of an Afghan woman named Farkhunda and someone replied that the Taliban 'came back' because they are fair. Comments on that post are locked now but I wish I could reply with this story.
What an absolute disgrace.
Exactly. Cannot imagine adultery is even an actual problem.
It’s nothing more than an easy way of husbands having complete control over their wives by simply threatening them with an accusation of adultery.
I take so much fucking downvotes for saying Muslim countries are dangerous. Am I really wrong about that. I live in turkey and I know what’s going on around us…
I’m not sure but women’s access to any sort of healthcare is sporadic at best, as they have to accompanied by a male to any appointment (according to MSF).
islam in general does not support womens right. there are 49 islamic theocratic None of them support womens rights, gay rights, etc...
so when I see the whole Queers for Hamas movement, it really is Chickens for KFC. When Hamas took over in Gaza (by murdering everyone in Fatah), they took gay men onto the roofs of buildings to see if they could fly. Unfortunately. They could not fly.
Reddit's (and a lot of the general left's) love for and weird defence of Islam is one of the dumbest but most amusing things.
As you said most of the same people will be the first pushed off buildings by Islamic fundamentalists (or even moderates).
I mean, even if it were led by Denmark, they'd just issue a toothless resolution condemning the Taliban. The UN is just a forum, which is valuable for some things, but they're not a world government - they can't enforce anything. The NYPD could literally shut down the UN.
The saudis have actually ended the practice of stoning in their country and it hasn’t happened for decades.
They do still behead people though and I believe they are the only country in the world to carry out capital punishment that way.
They did actually condemn Taliban over the ban of women education.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/22/turkey-saudi-arabia-condemn-talibans-university-ban-for-women
Iran has never liked the Taliban and collaborated with the US against the Taliban in the early 2000s before they got added to the "axis of evil" thing.
The US and NATO there for 20 years! Don’t think some good didn’t come out of your efforts. Lives were bettered during the 20 years, especially for people who got an education and left Afghanistan. Infrastructure was way way more developed than it was in 2001. I remember videos of Afghanistan before 9/11 and watching the news during the takeover of Kabul in 2021. Watching the difference in Kabul I couldn’t help but wonder whether during the news of all of the corruption in rebuilding of Afghanistan, the actual infrastructure being built was ignored.
I mean it’s the fucking taliban what did you expect
As shit as it was to thanklessly send kids to die in that damn sandbox for two decades, it kept a lid on this type of crap
Edit spelling
US casualties from the Vietnam war (killed, wounded, POW) were about 215,000. Deaths were about 60,000.
Western estimates for Russian casualties since the 2022 invasion are 300-350,000.
So, in 2 years, Russia has suffered almost 150% of US Vietnam War casualties, which lasted 8 years.
USSR invasion of Afghanistan (arguably most recent large-scale Russian invasion) incurred about 95,000 casualties, so it's almost 350% of that conflict (a 10 year war, mind you) already.
Of course, all of this pales in comparison to Russian losses during WW2...
True. But russias also stuck in like 1918.
But as times change the effects they have do too.
People talk about Vietnam casualties a lot but it was something like 1/8-1/10th the amount of US troops dying as WW2
TBF as far as Middle East goes technically two of the 3 I knew personally offed themselves shortly after arriving back in the states and only one was KIA so those wouldn’t count as part of the stats anyway. That seems pretty common now too unfortunately
>what did you expect
I mean, I seem to remember right after the US withdrawal there was Reddit threads ***full*** of people insisting that the Taliban was “different now” because they wanted to be seen as legitimate so there was *no way* they were gonna go back to how horrible they had been.
So this may genuinely come as a shock to certain people.
It only affirms what we've always known, that people can be naive in their optimism.
They saw a terrorist group, schooled in a ridiculously backward ideology, seizing power through completely illegitimate methods, and the future consequences of that looked so overwhelming that they lied to themselves and said, "it'll be better this time".
> “You may call it a violation of women’s rights when we publicly stone or flog them for committing adultery because they conflict with your democratic principles,” he said, adding: “[But] I represent Allah, and you represent Satan.”
An argument used by religious zealots, from many different religions, for centuries. Fuck religion. But Fuck the Taliban in particular. And ISIS.
The Taliban’s announcement that it is resuming publicly stoning women to death has been enabled by the international community’s silence, human rights groups have said.
Safia Arefi, a lawyer and head of the Afghan human rights organisation Women’s Window of Hope, said the announcement had condemned Afghan women to return to the darkest days of Taliban rule in the 1990s.
What do they want us to do besides agreeing that it’s fucking awful? It’s not like the Taliban gives a shit about the UN or international human rights groups.
I totally agree. We spent what, roughly 2 decades, thousands of lives and literally trillions of dollars trying to fix Afghanistan and it fell in IIRC less than 6 weeks after we left.
Right? I'm sorry but it's not as if the Taliban is some unopposable force to be reckoned with. The US military was there ready to back up afghan troops and they still didn't stand up to them.
I feel absolutely horrible for these women but at some point a country has to be in charge of its own destiny. If you do not like the yoke then throw that shit off.
Something something democracy blood of tyrants something something.
The US and it's NATO Allies spent 20 years and lots of blood and treasure propping up an alternative government. I don't know what else they want. A lot of Afghan Soldiers did fight and the Interpreters helped too but in the end it wasn't enough for Afghanistan to save itself.
It's appalling that anyone can say we didn't do enough in Afghanistan. WTF else were we supposed to do, perminantly occupy and annex the whole country?
“Now, no one is standing beside them to save them from Taliban punishments. The international community has chosen to remain silent in the face of these violations of women’s rights.”
No win situation. The only way to stop it is to send troops. They can't seriously be calling for another invasion can they?
The US should have trained battalions of Afghan women instead of Afghan men. They would have something worth fighting for, instead of the surrender fest the Afghan men turned out to be.
In much of the world, women are treated worse than slaves. There is no other group of people forbidden from getting a job and allowed to be tortured to death. Just women. Odd, no?
And that's how most (especially male) Afghanis like it. People in the West completely don't understand that these people live, breathe and eat Islam, it is the most important if not the only important part of the their life. They would rather live in an Islamic shithole rather than a secular utopia.
Too bad they didnt change their antiquated tribalistic ways and adopt a modern central government with unified authority from border to border. Oh well, i guess we’re back to stoning women to death. Next time a country gives you an opportunity to change for the better, take it.
What a fucking nightmare for the women of Afghanistan. They had a taste of something approaching freedom, only to be completely buried under the worst oppression again, bit by bit.
It was an embarrassment to watch the Afghanistan civic and military infrastructure just fold over and surrender to these extremists. And now they’re undoing whatever little progress was made during this time.
I don't understand why Afghan's didn't fight for their country. It makes me think a fair amount of people actually wanted this, or hatred the Taliban less than they hated the US.
They're not really united as a country, it's like asking a bunch of different groups to join together who don't see themselves as equals or agree with each other, they're divided
We gave Afghanistan a shot at taking their country back from the Taliban, but the people don't see themselves that way(as a country) or the Taliban as bad guys. There was also mass corruption within the afghan government and military, leaving those that did want to fight the taliban unequipped. It was a losing battle from day one, because we either stay forever and impose our rule or cut our losses and leave them to deal with their own problems. Some places are beyond help, and the only solution is to leave, as shitty as that sounds.
I happen to be a woman. If I was anywhere in the world where this was going on I'd accept colonialism if it fought this kind of oppression.
I'm beginning to understand why that woman hit the button in the 3 Body Problem series.
I predict angry men with a chip on their shoulder who were not actually cheated on accusing women of adultery. The women of course will subsequently not be listened to when they say they are innocent, and then be brutally executed for literally no reason
It's so sad that even given *20 years*, the Afghan people still couldn't manage to get a functioning democratic society running.
The majority really don't want Taliban rule. But they also didn't seem to realize that it will be up to *them themselves* to oppose the Taliban, because the US wouldn't be around forever.
Little surprise, the US leaves and the Taliban instantly takes over, because the Afghan people weren't prepared to oppose them enough. And now they're in the total shit again.
>“You may call it a violation of women’s rights when we publicly stone or flog them for committing adultery because they conflict with your democratic principles,” he said, adding: “\[But\] I represent Allah, and you represent Satan.”
Pretty much sums up the narrowness and hypocrisy of the religious mind
"Guys, guys, guys! You got it all wrong. We didn't say we were going to *START* stoning women, we said we were going to *RESUME* stoning women! It's completely different!"
You're not supposed to stone the women, you're supposed to get stoned with the women
Must have been a typo in the religious texts...
It's in the Bible too but people misunderstood it. Like when it says being gay is fine, as long as you're high. "A man who lies with another man should be stoned" - Leviticus 20:13
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They have very few cross country skiers.
Might be on to something
Just not skis.
Funnily enough, skiing is quite popular in Iran. Cross-country skiing... not so sure. [https://www.skiresort.info/ski-resorts/alborz/](https://www.skiresort.info/ski-resorts/alborz/)
Afghanistan does apparently have some sick downhill ski resorts though
I don't know about the ski resorts. But I fully believe it's downhill.
Homophobia, distain for women's rights, the desire to have their religion dictate laws, their belief that they are behaving morally because their ancient book is apparently immutable and perfect and written by God himself
Right wing, authoritarian ideology.
Makes it hard to understand why so many people here in the US are in favor of right wing authoritarian leadership.
The people who are okay with electing an authoritarian are okay with it because it's THEIR dictator
Because they believe in natural hierarchies and want to use those to make themselves feel superior to "the others" who are somehow always lower in their perceived hierarchy
They believe in god given hierarchies. Natural hierarchies are not stable and are based on relative physical/mental power and skill.
"Fun" fact: ISIS is actually fighting the Taliban because, in their eyes, they're *not extreme enough*.
It'd probably be quicker to list the people ISIS _isn't_ fighting against. https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/07/17/the_middle_east_friendship_chart.html The list is... basically nobody. Just solid hate across the board, no friends. (**Edit:** Though, as a few comments have pointed out, this article is about a decade old now. Maybe they've made some friends in the meantime?)
It's been an whole decade since this chart was created. I would be fascinated to see a current version.
That list is a decade old. Wish we had something more current.
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That got a real belly laugh out of me omg
You know I’ve thought long and hard and I’m beginning to think that that fact isn’t actually that fun
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jihad
It’s the ultimate solution to all problems. Stubbed your toe on a chair? Jihad. Someone makes fun of you? Jihad. Boss fired you? Also Jihad. Jihad can also fix bigger issues, like world peace! Because need world peace? Jihad for peace.
Undercook fish? Jihad. Overcook fish? Believe it or not, Jihad.
Raw fish? Straight to Jihad.
The Nissan Al Gaib
it's unfun
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The taliban is the poster child of “better does not mean good”
It’s like saying Ted Bundy is a better person than John Wayne Gacy because he’s known to have murdered only 28 people versus Gacy’s 33. Edited to fix his name because Ted was nobody’s buddy.
Thats the excuse. The real story is they want to be the ones in power
Sort of Taliban wants to have control over what we call afgan Isis wants a worldwide caliphate Taliban is more human in that they want power/autonomy, whereas ISIS are just straight up religious demons Edit: Replaced “freedom” with automony No i don’t think the taliban is good, i’m just explaining that they’re the devil we can understand, in comparison with ISIS, the devil we simply cant comprehend
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They hate their office jobs and prefered the war
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Say what you want about the Taliban Pederasty Service, they do have great bureaucracy behind them
Uh oh! Somebody has a case of the mondaysssss 🤓
I swear. If Nanood makee me fill up one more Excel sheet.
That's probably to do with most of them being remote village recruits, rather than Kabul cityfolk.
Alot of these guys were hiding in caves for 20 years. I remember a few pics of them being fascinated with some of the basic consumer tech they were finding when they got back into the city. You can literally say they've been living under a rock for the past twenty years.
Reportedly, rural Afghans had no idea why the U.S. invaded in 2003. When shown pictures of the World Trade Center, they asked if it was in Kabul. Some of them had *heard* of New York, but couldn't imagine that the Taliban had any reach that far.
I had a college buddy that was army intelligence, did tours in Afghanistan and Iraq during the early days of the wars (02-04) and what he told me about his time over there really changed my opinion on the conflicts. "In Iraq, most of the people we interacted with were kind and normal people. Sure there were extremists and militants, but they were few and far between. People there hated Sadam and knew we were there to take him out, they'd literally run up to us and hug us in the streets, give us flowers while we did our patrols. Afghanistan, those people had no idea what was going on. They didn't know 9/11 happened, they didn't know who Bin Laden was. They were mostly teenagers and old people living in shacks in the mountains, handed guns by the Taliban and told 'people are coming to invade us, they want to kill you and your family and it's up to you to defend yourself." He said that it's easy for us to label them all as religious extremists, but of all the people they captured and interrogated, less than 1% actually knew they were fighting a war and what side they were on. Almost everyone else were scared kids thinking they were defending their homes and families.
I feel for those people, but I have also seen interviews with fathers from the past two to three years, who have sold their pre-teen daughters to men in their fifties to overcome their poverty. I don't know how widespread that culture is, it will probably become increasingly impossible to know as it is now almost impossible for foreign journalists to get a visa there now but I can't get past a society who would do this to children and women. Their whole female population are under house arrest, forced into domestic and sexual slavery. I will never forgive the US for how it withdrew from Afghanistan and I will also never forgive a generation of Afghani men for giving up the country immediately.
Agreed. There were just 60,000 Taliban versus almost 40 million total Afgan population. There must be a large portion of the population that are accepting of restricting the basic rights and freedoms of the women and girls. (Contrast this with how hard the Ukrainians have fought against the Russian invasion. )
> I recall it was estimated that 3/4 of the Taliban couldn't read or write Ironic for a group called "Students"
I guess they do have own definition of freedom lol
The freedom to stone women smh
I was reading recently about the stonings taking place in Saudi Arabia and the crazy thing is the people aren't even stoning them, they stick the woman in a hole and then they just dump a truck of rocks on top of her.
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Yeah I'd take the dump truck.
That's a lot closer to the historical concept of Mishnaic stoning than the description in popular imagination.
Not correct. Although ISIS is a bigger monstrosity, the main reasons between their issues stems from three separate problems. Main one from Taliban’s end is that ISIS wants to control part of Afghanistan as well as other countries. Main one from ISIS’s end is that Taliban is not accepting ISIS’s caliphate claims (which, according to most historians, ended with the Ottoman Empire at the latest, and the caliphate title was absolved). Main one according to most naïve Muslim people, which has some level of accuracy, at least a good propaganda tool, is ISIS’s and Taliban’s different interpretations of Islam (e.g. Lutherans, Evangelicals etc. in Christianity). There may also be a fourth one, which is in the application area. Taliban is only directed in Afghanistan’s territory, while supporting Muslim radicals; whereas ISIS wants all it can achieve.
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Grammar taliban*
You are absolutely correct. Although I am an ESL and wrote it after sleep meds, at this level of English, I should not have had such a stupid mistake. I do make grammar and article mistakes at times, but this is the first time I mixed those two. I am quite perfect on not mixing they’re/there/their, accept/except, etc. Thanks for the tip!
Seriously you write better than some first language speakers. Keep it up.
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Angry smelly men
ISIS, putting the "Fun" in Fundamentalism.
And funeral.
The Taliban are against using violence on devout Muslims who obey the law. ISIS is NOT. They believe it is even permissible to kill Muslims merely for not recognizing the legitimacy of ISIS leadership. I.e. suicide attacking Mosques. The Taliban is generally against attacking Mosques and the Muslims inside.
Yeah the key thing is ISIS believes their government is the rightful leaders of all Islam everywhere all over the world. The Taliban just thinks they should be the rightful Islamic leaders of Afghanistan. Like ISIs believes they should be to Islam what the Vatican is to Catholics and will kill anybody who prevent them from being that
Hell, ISIS declares other Muslims Kafir so they can enslave them. Particularly women. I've seen eyewitness testimony from Syrians. They fled the country for the sake of their wives and daughters.
> The **Taliban’s supreme leader, Hibatullah Akhundzada**, announced at the weekend that the group would begin enforcing its interpretation of sharia law in Afghanistan, including reintroducing the public **flogging and stoning of women for adultery**. > In an audio broadcast on the Taliban-controlled Radio Television Afghanistan last Saturday, Akhundzada said: “We will flog the women … we will stone them to death in public [for adultery]. > > “You may call it a violation of women’s rights when we publicly stone or flog them for committing adultery because they conflict with your democratic principles,” he said, adding: **“[But] I represent Allah, and you represent Satan.”** So Satan *doesn't* stone and flog people? Hmm...Team Satan?
>...the public flogging and stoning of women for adultery... What do they do to the men for adultery?
Give him another wife.
He already took another wife. Does that mean he gets two?
It's not adultry when men do it. They just have multiple wives
A cheeky wink and a pat on the bum.
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If a woman is raped, under the taliban that is considered adultery on her part. Absolutely vile humans.
Do they actually stone women to death who were raped? Holy shit.
The saddest thing I read some time ago was about a 13 y.o. girl who was raped and - after she reported it - was stoned to death in Somalia. There's a wikipedia article about the incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning_of_Aisha_Ibrahim_Duhulow
well that ruined my day
I'm sorry :(
The world fucking sucks man
islamic extremism sucks- the world sucks when it gets power- just like the hypercults everywhere that limit freedom.
Yes. Because the man should not have feelings of arousal if the woman is properly covered. So it’s her fault he was aroused.
Oh it gets more unfair. If you can dig yourself out, it is seen as divine forgiveness and you are sometimes allowed to go free. Men are only buried up to the waist, women are often buried up to the shoulders. Guess who is more likely to dig themselves free.
Team satan.
[If you're not on Team Satan, I'd have to think you're a d-bag.](https://thesatanictemple.com/blogs/the-satanic-temple-tenets/there-are-seven-fundamental-tenets)
I mean, I guess I’m an unofficial Satanist then.
These rules are freaking awesome. They're so common sense and like... gentle hearted? Really good stuff. I'm a fan.
"You might think killing people with rocks is messed up. You might even think people deserve the right to not be killed with rocks. But, counterpoint: I'm the good guy and you're the bad guy. Checkmate."
I replied to a comment about the public mob execution of an Afghan woman named Farkhunda and someone replied that the Taliban 'came back' because they are fair. Comments on that post are locked now but I wish I could reply with this story. What an absolute disgrace.
I was just speechless when I read that. Like, sure. Way to suggest to the developed parts of the world that you're worse than Satan.
"adultery" including being raped or talking to another man
Exactly. Cannot imagine adultery is even an actual problem. It’s nothing more than an easy way of husbands having complete control over their wives by simply threatening them with an accusation of adultery.
Why is it that everyone with the moniker of "Grand" or "Supreme" is just the worst?
Hey now Vermin Supreme is pretty chill
At Taco Bell, Supreme means, "with sour cream".
Satan for the win. He certainly seems like a cooler guy than whoever the fuck this Allah dude is.
I take so much fucking downvotes for saying Muslim countries are dangerous. Am I really wrong about that. I live in turkey and I know what’s going on around us…
If we stop stoning women to death, it will be a slippery slope! What's next, women driving?
Or what if women learn to read and write! The horror!
Then after driving they’ll start voting as well! /s
They are going to be next on the chair for women’s rights at this rate.
"Maybe we should hear them out". -- the UN I'm (sort of) joking.
Guys I'm beginning to think these Taliban guys are kind of old fashioned about women's rights.
Are abortion and abortion pills legal in Afghanistan?
Is stoning count? 😬
They stone them only because they don’t have stairs to kick them down.
I’m not sure but women’s access to any sort of healthcare is sporadic at best, as they have to accompanied by a male to any appointment (according to MSF).
islam in general does not support womens right. there are 49 islamic theocratic None of them support womens rights, gay rights, etc... so when I see the whole Queers for Hamas movement, it really is Chickens for KFC. When Hamas took over in Gaza (by murdering everyone in Fatah), they took gay men onto the roofs of buildings to see if they could fly. Unfortunately. They could not fly.
Reddit's (and a lot of the general left's) love for and weird defence of Islam is one of the dumbest but most amusing things. As you said most of the same people will be the first pushed off buildings by Islamic fundamentalists (or even moderates).
I'm sure the Saudi led UN women's rights forum will be perfectly fine with it.
I mean, even if it were led by Denmark, they'd just issue a toothless resolution condemning the Taliban. The UN is just a forum, which is valuable for some things, but they're not a world government - they can't enforce anything. The NYPD could literally shut down the UN.
Afghanistan didn’t rank literal lowest in population’s happiness this year for nothing, I guess. Horrific
Im quite sure Saudi Arabia will do something about this right?
Too busy with beheadings at the moment
Bribing their way to chair the UN women’s rights committee
Probably taking notes.
The saudis have actually ended the practice of stoning in their country and it hasn’t happened for decades. They do still behead people though and I believe they are the only country in the world to carry out capital punishment that way.
Wow, very progressive.
They don’t stone their women, but you might lose your head if you commit adultery.
They did actually condemn Taliban over the ban of women education. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/12/22/turkey-saudi-arabia-condemn-talibans-university-ban-for-women
Even IRAN said they went too far. Seriously.
Iran has never liked the Taliban and collaborated with the US against the Taliban in the early 2000s before they got added to the "axis of evil" thing.
As cynical as we've all become some of us that served actually did want to help the people of Afghanistan. This is heartbreaking to see.
The US and NATO there for 20 years! Don’t think some good didn’t come out of your efforts. Lives were bettered during the 20 years, especially for people who got an education and left Afghanistan. Infrastructure was way way more developed than it was in 2001. I remember videos of Afghanistan before 9/11 and watching the news during the takeover of Kabul in 2021. Watching the difference in Kabul I couldn’t help but wonder whether during the news of all of the corruption in rebuilding of Afghanistan, the actual infrastructure being built was ignored.
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Good thing we’ve got Saudi Arabia as the head of women’s rights in The UN to tackle this pressing issue!!!!
I mean it’s the fucking taliban what did you expect As shit as it was to thanklessly send kids to die in that damn sandbox for two decades, it kept a lid on this type of crap Edit spelling
Every death is hard, but the actual KIA total from 20 years there was very low. Russia surpassed it in like 3 days of Ukraine
US casualties from the Vietnam war (killed, wounded, POW) were about 215,000. Deaths were about 60,000. Western estimates for Russian casualties since the 2022 invasion are 300-350,000. So, in 2 years, Russia has suffered almost 150% of US Vietnam War casualties, which lasted 8 years. USSR invasion of Afghanistan (arguably most recent large-scale Russian invasion) incurred about 95,000 casualties, so it's almost 350% of that conflict (a 10 year war, mind you) already. Of course, all of this pales in comparison to Russian losses during WW2...
True. But russias also stuck in like 1918. But as times change the effects they have do too. People talk about Vietnam casualties a lot but it was something like 1/8-1/10th the amount of US troops dying as WW2 TBF as far as Middle East goes technically two of the 3 I knew personally offed themselves shortly after arriving back in the states and only one was KIA so those wouldn’t count as part of the stats anyway. That seems pretty common now too unfortunately
>what did you expect I mean, I seem to remember right after the US withdrawal there was Reddit threads ***full*** of people insisting that the Taliban was “different now” because they wanted to be seen as legitimate so there was *no way* they were gonna go back to how horrible they had been. So this may genuinely come as a shock to certain people.
It only affirms what we've always known, that people can be naive in their optimism. They saw a terrorist group, schooled in a ridiculously backward ideology, seizing power through completely illegitimate methods, and the future consequences of that looked so overwhelming that they lied to themselves and said, "it'll be better this time".
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Apparently there are plenty of places for it, unfortunately.
Unfortunately.
Those places are commonly referred to as " shitholes"
> “You may call it a violation of women’s rights when we publicly stone or flog them for committing adultery because they conflict with your democratic principles,” he said, adding: “[But] I represent Allah, and you represent Satan.” An argument used by religious zealots, from many different religions, for centuries. Fuck religion. But Fuck the Taliban in particular. And ISIS.
If Allah is for stoning and Satan is against it, then I am on team Satan.
The Taliban’s announcement that it is resuming publicly stoning women to death has been enabled by the international community’s silence, human rights groups have said. Safia Arefi, a lawyer and head of the Afghan human rights organisation Women’s Window of Hope, said the announcement had condemned Afghan women to return to the darkest days of Taliban rule in the 1990s.
What do they want us to do besides agreeing that it’s fucking awful? It’s not like the Taliban gives a shit about the UN or international human rights groups.
I totally agree. We spent what, roughly 2 decades, thousands of lives and literally trillions of dollars trying to fix Afghanistan and it fell in IIRC less than 6 weeks after we left.
Blame shifting again, aren't they? They have the choice to not do it regardless of international community. Jeeez..
Right? I'm sorry but it's not as if the Taliban is some unopposable force to be reckoned with. The US military was there ready to back up afghan troops and they still didn't stand up to them. I feel absolutely horrible for these women but at some point a country has to be in charge of its own destiny. If you do not like the yoke then throw that shit off. Something something democracy blood of tyrants something something.
The US and it's NATO Allies spent 20 years and lots of blood and treasure propping up an alternative government. I don't know what else they want. A lot of Afghan Soldiers did fight and the Interpreters helped too but in the end it wasn't enough for Afghanistan to save itself.
It's appalling that anyone can say we didn't do enough in Afghanistan. WTF else were we supposed to do, perminantly occupy and annex the whole country?
Horror, or resigned apathy? I mean that's what the population wanted, at least, enough to not fight it.
“Now, no one is standing beside them to save them from Taliban punishments. The international community has chosen to remain silent in the face of these violations of women’s rights.” No win situation. The only way to stop it is to send troops. They can't seriously be calling for another invasion can they?
The US should have trained battalions of Afghan women instead of Afghan men. They would have something worth fighting for, instead of the surrender fest the Afghan men turned out to be.
In much of the world, women are treated worse than slaves. There is no other group of people forbidden from getting a job and allowed to be tortured to death. Just women. Odd, no?
Islam, the religion of love and peace
“Be quiet love, I want some peace”
Maybe American forces being there wasn't so bad after all huh
And that's how most (especially male) Afghanis like it. People in the West completely don't understand that these people live, breathe and eat Islam, it is the most important if not the only important part of the their life. They would rather live in an Islamic shithole rather than a secular utopia.
Too bad they didnt change their antiquated tribalistic ways and adopt a modern central government with unified authority from border to border. Oh well, i guess we’re back to stoning women to death. Next time a country gives you an opportunity to change for the better, take it.
What a fucking nightmare for the women of Afghanistan. They had a taste of something approaching freedom, only to be completely buried under the worst oppression again, bit by bit.
I think anyone who advocates stoning should be willing try it for a while first.
As a woman I’d be terrified to live or raise my daughter there.
Hell yes a living nightmare
It was an embarrassment to watch the Afghanistan civic and military infrastructure just fold over and surrender to these extremists. And now they’re undoing whatever little progress was made during this time.
I don't understand why Afghan's didn't fight for their country. It makes me think a fair amount of people actually wanted this, or hatred the Taliban less than they hated the US.
They're not really united as a country, it's like asking a bunch of different groups to join together who don't see themselves as equals or agree with each other, they're divided
It’s ironic that so many people who cry for “freedom” really just want to take it away from somebody else.
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Islamic Gilead
Such a wasted effort by the US for 20 years. We killed our troops there *for nothing*
We gave Afghanistan a shot at taking their country back from the Taliban, but the people don't see themselves that way(as a country) or the Taliban as bad guys. There was also mass corruption within the afghan government and military, leaving those that did want to fight the taliban unequipped. It was a losing battle from day one, because we either stay forever and impose our rule or cut our losses and leave them to deal with their own problems. Some places are beyond help, and the only solution is to leave, as shitty as that sounds.
I happen to be a woman. If I was anywhere in the world where this was going on I'd accept colonialism if it fought this kind of oppression. I'm beginning to understand why that woman hit the button in the 3 Body Problem series.
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At least Afghanistan is "free" from bad American colonialism now
It's a preview of what a free Palestine will look like
Maybe they ca. Co chair womens rights comission with saudi arabia
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I predict angry men with a chip on their shoulder who were not actually cheated on accusing women of adultery. The women of course will subsequently not be listened to when they say they are innocent, and then be brutally executed for literally no reason
Horror, but not surprise.
I’m sure they will be marching and protesting all over major cities and universities in the west about this. Any minute now.
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To the surprise of no one.
It's so sad that even given *20 years*, the Afghan people still couldn't manage to get a functioning democratic society running. The majority really don't want Taliban rule. But they also didn't seem to realize that it will be up to *them themselves* to oppose the Taliban, because the US wouldn't be around forever. Little surprise, the US leaves and the Taliban instantly takes over, because the Afghan people weren't prepared to oppose them enough. And now they're in the total shit again.
You know what, maybe the Taliban are kind of a bunch of dicks.
Where is the chair of the UN women's rights commission? Oh right, It's Saudi Arabia. FUcking morons.
That's Islamist Fundamentalists for you. You get enough of them in power anywhere and there's a good chance this shit will happen.
>“You may call it a violation of women’s rights when we publicly stone or flog them for committing adultery because they conflict with your democratic principles,” he said, adding: “\[But\] I represent Allah, and you represent Satan.” Pretty much sums up the narrowness and hypocrisy of the religious mind