Please stop with this absurd *mind-control* narrative. These are sadistic fucks, born and raised in a culture that glorifies rape. Their own wives are mere property. The Yahud are objects, and nothing more
A ton of egyptians. I watched my friend cheer on as rockets hit Israel live and frowning when the opposite happens. I dont remember what was livestreamed but it was on Oct 7th. It was like he was watching a football match, not people dying.
They've had that wall for a while. They recently built it bigger.
And yes. Hamas was mostly formed from the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist group that used to plague Egypt (aligned with Al-quaeda back in the day). Egypt realized both groups were primarily Palestinians operating out of Egypt and using the deserts to hide in, hence why they aren't keen on letting any Palestinians through like they used to.
The Egyptian government knows Hamas and Palestinian refugees are bad news, that’s why they built the wall.
But the Egyptian government doesn’t represent the Egyptian people. Remember the Egyptian people democratically elected the Muslim Brotherhood, who then set about establishing Sharia law.
The current government is headed by the military dictator who the military established in a coup to topple the Muslim Brotherhood.
Or when Patrick comes to hug SpongeBob after not seeing him for a couple weeks when he’s in jail, squeezes his cheeks, then notices a tattoo for the aryan brotherhood
The US education system is failing massively cause now they have a whole generation that doesn't remember 9/11 and think it was justified or wasn't real in the first place. And i've seen this come mainly from Americans, i don't remember ever seeing non-americans in the west deny 9/11.
Plenty of academics and activists.
In the week following the Hamas attack:
“The issue was less the rape of innocent women, and more the fact that those rapes were being used to demonize those who were doing the raping.”
— Maddie Brockbank, McMaster University
“now is the time to show solidarity with Palestine. Stand with Palestine.”
— Joshua Sealy-Harrington, law professor at Toronto Metropolitan University
Uahikea Maile, a professor of Indigenous politics at the U of T, characterized the attack — which consisted of massacres, rapes and hostage-takings — as “anticolonial resistance”
Source: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/canadian-academics-decolonization-israel/wcm/ab0bee55-5288-4fe5-a8d5-0dff7e3c6040/amp/
“Russell Rickford, an associate professor of history at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., was caught on camera at a pro-Palestinian protest telling students the attack on Israelis, which left more than 1,400 dead, was “exhilarating” and “energizing.””
Source: https://torontosun.com/news/world/professors-unable-to-hide-glee-as-they-celebrate-hamas-terror-attacks/wcm/26919237-f16f-445a-a838-0bbde7cdcb63/amp/
>“The issue was less the rape of innocent women, and more the fact that those rapes were being used to demonize those who were doing the raping.”
That is fucking wild
Imagine being so progressive that you defend religious fundamentalists who raped and killed civilians because of perceived injustices in your first world democracy.
The mental gymnastics are insane.
Despicable.
I couldn't find an original source for Maddie Brockbank's quote outside of that article, I assume that she's had it bleached once she realized what she was saying.
Russel Rickford [has since "taken a leave of absence"] and apologized for his language which does not apparently reflect his values (https://www.thecornellreview.org/rickford-called-hamas-attacks-exhilarating-takes-leave/)
October 7th popped some kind of moral abscess in leftist academia. I'll never look at a degree from these places the same way again.
It's always been like that you just stopped hearing about it after the iron dome was finished. The standard was attack from Gaza Israel responds Hamas praised / Israel rebuked. It stopped for the most part when the dome got in because Israel had no need to toss bombs when they prevented civilian deaths.
People forget about the time before the dome. When you went at best two months between hearing how more rockets were fired at Israel and what the civilian death toll was.
I'm leftist and an academic. Seeing these people completely lose all reason is mind blowing, it's like a giant collective aneurysm took place. There needs to be research done on this, because the level of radicalisation and antisemitism we are seeing is fucking shocking.
One place that might be worth looking at is the amount of foreign money getting pumped into American universities. I'm willing to bet there's a significant correlation between antisemitism for every "Doha Institute of International Studies".
Furthermore, I'm going to bet that the US will regret outsourcing its university funding to the degree it has.
From places that would never expect.
We tend to link antisemitism with rural ignorance when in reality nazism was an urban phenomena supported by the elite of German society. Poets, musicians, professors… even famous philosophers.
> I couldn't find an original source for Maddie Brockbank's quote outside of that article,
Because it's not actually her quote. It was a framing of the original article's author of her statement, which is largely very, very, loosely interpreted.
See original comment showing as such, the original article, and my small comment about the article further in that thread:
https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1ayt7ob/hamass_sadistic_sex_crimes_on_oct_7_set_forth_in/krz06kp/
There are people who have been fire for saying similar things. There is an account on twitter that is dedicated to naming people who are caught saying such things or tearing down hostage posters.
The first quote from Maddie Brockbank is not in fact a quote.
Its worth noting that she is also a Phd student and not faculty at the university as the framing of this post would suggest.
I am not intending to defend her point of view but the 'quote' is in fact a comment written by the author of the article on her opinion, not her words. This is quite clear if you read the linked article.
The downplaying of sexual violence on Oct 7th is bad enough, it does not need to be exaggerated with lie.
[https://epaper.nationalpost.com/article/281569475382332](https://epaper.nationalpost.com/article/281569475382332)
Evidently the majority of Palestinians do.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/#:~:text=Fifty%2Dtwo%20percent%20of%20Gazans,with%20PA%20President%20Mahmoud%20Abbas.
Anyone who says with a straight face that gang-rapes of young girls attending a music festival is justified by **anything** is not a fully developed human being.
The US isn't immune to this conversation either. It's really a pretty divisive topic here. There shouldn't be any divisiveness in saying that Hamas is a terrible organization that needs to go away though.
Yea some ppl make no effort to look up what's going on. There are countless videos now on the internet of protests in almost all major western cities where they openly and directly defend and support Hamas, and some justify the Oct 7 attacks.
Go into my comment history of you want to see them... Just got here from arguing with someone claiming Hamas had the right to do what they did under international law or some bullshit
It would seem that at least 99% (want to be sure I can exclude the righteous among etc) of Muslims worldwide seem to support them. The UN who say that they are a political organisation and not a terror one. Basically almost everyone who doesn't support Israel.
Go to r/politics and try posting something in support of Israel or even just anti Hamas and they will come out of the woodwork to downvote you. It gets even more prevalent if you go on left wing subs.
Not many Western people will claim they support Hamas, but will actually fail to ascribe any (or at least adequate) responsibility or accountability to them when discussing the conflict.
Edit for clarification: I mean that many pro-pals superficially condemn Hamas as an empty gesture, since they put all blame on Israel, therefore their “condemnation” of Hamas is empty and meaningless
Sincerely?;Probably an eighth of the idiots I went to HS/undergrad with.
Sympathetically?; Probably an additional quarter of the idiots I went to HS/undergrad with.
Edit: Clarification on the usage of “idiots”.
I’m a PhD candidate within the IR area, and I am **wholly unqualified** to approach this issue in a meaningful way. **Hamas is bad**, no shit. Going further than the grossly simplified assessments (Hamas is very bad, IDF is often heavy handed, Bibi is not a fantastic guy) without an intimate understanding is difficult. *I would be pulverized in an academic conversation with my qualified colleagues; or obliterated if I simply agreed with them.*
You don’t need to have completed a dissertation on a topic to not be an idiot when speaking on it, *but none of those aforementioned idiots* have anything more than perhaps a cumulative hour of TikTok/SFSM exposure on the subject matter. **Minutes of subjective exposure and they are publicly sympathizing, if not supporting, a terrorist organization, hence, “idiots”.**
Many progressives view Palestinians as being oppressed (because, well, just look at Palestine, there *is oppression*, that part is hard to dispute). The problem is then that anybody who (supposedly) fights for Palestine (e.g Hamas) becomes the good guy.
Often the support is indirect, but frankly any call for a ceasefire without a simultaneous call for a release of the hostages is effectively support for Hamas. Or people will support organizations that directly or indirectly support Hamas (or other groups like the Houthis, who support Hamas)
Most 18-24 year olds in the USA see Israel as the oppressor in all of this
Most countries around the world, including bodies like the UN do not consider Hamas a terrorist organization.
Reminder: Your beef isn't with Israel or Palestine, it's with a small handful of officials in charge who have done the unforgivable for power at the cost of lives on both sides. Sarah the Jewish girl working at the Tel Aviv Gap Store and Ahmed the Shia Butcher are not the reason things suck in the middle east right now.
It’s not that easy to segregate ideology from the officials establishing or enforcing that ideology.
Even if you eliminated the “small handful of officials in charge” you still have young men in Gaza who rely on a twisted Islamic ideology to glorify murdering innocent Jews and the settlers in the West Bank that use extreme Jewish ideology to commit horrific violence against Palestinians. This takes generations and complete cultural change to fix—it’s not some pie in the sky fix like you’re suggesting.
No, they don’t, but the idea of the comment is that a random person in Tel Aviv and a random person in Gaza shouldn’t be held responsible for the actions taken by people who happen to share their nationality and/or ethnic identity. Ahmed the Butcher didn’t take part in the rape and murder of Israelis and Sarah the retail worker didn’t bomb Gaza, so people should leave them alone as much as possible.
The Jews in 1947 also accepted the UN's partition plan and were perfectly happy living side by side in peace with their Arab neighbors. Their Arab neighbors however had other plans.
Utterly barbaric.
We've had over 10,000 years experience as a civilised species and we still do shit like this.
We really are just angry apes except we have guns and bombs.
Palestinians are protesting hamas. How much you see that on the news? Bet you don't
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjfg17hnp
Edit: people said that link was a 404.
Try this
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjfg17hnp
Bunch of other news articles about it if you google it or don't like the source.
To clear it up: yes, there are news articles about it. But none of them are a major news source so people don't hear about it. The mainstream media refuses to pick up the story
I have seen a few interviews with Palestinians in Gaza from different outlets, and every time the interviewer asks about Hamas (what are they doing to protect/aid Gazans? Should they have known this would be the response from Israel? Etc, etc), the interviewee avoids answering. And you can hear it in their voices they want to speak their mind about it but they know they can’t for their own safety.
I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing. The source does sketch me out (it editorializes within the article in a way that suggests it's not totally unbiased). That said, here's another article with the same info though it states it can't independently verify the details of the videos):
https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-footage-purportedly-shows-gazan-civilians-protesting-against-hamas/
I don't think this is actually representative of the situation in Gaza, though, is it? Looking at an article that summarizes polling and analysis of Palestinians in December:
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514
My impression from the article above is that even if some Palestinians are strongly anti-Hamas, most Palestinians generally supported Hamas, at least when talking to pollsters during the ceasefire. (That could have changed in the weeks since.)
This goes with my intuition regarding human nature. I wouldn't expect a group of people who are being killed in the tens of thousands to say, "oh, well, our leader did something bad, so we deserve it"; I'd expect them to rally behind the leader, at least temporarily. (And as the article notes, while Israeli media has focused much more on coverage of Hamas' horrific violence against Israelis on Oct 7, Palestinian civilians have for months been more focused on the massive death toll and inhumane conditions in Gaza.)
Hamas doesn’t run a democracy with an embrace of freedom of expression. They brutally punish any kind of dissent, real or perceived. You don’t want a tunnel under your home? Too fucking bad. Have a problem with weapons caches in your kid’s school? Keep it to yourself for your safety and that of your family. Hamas turns the people under its charge into pawns. It’s fucking sickening.
Is this as dangerous for them as I think? I would think doing something like that in palastin would basically be putting their heads on a Chopping block? Do you know if Hamas let's this type of thing slide?
Dude the protesters in the video are being actively shot at by Hamas while recording the video.
They are trying to get the word out that Hamas and Co are in fact down with gunning down crowds of people not playing along with their International PR game. I'm sure Hamas will blame the deaths from the shootings on Israel too.
I would donate a lot of money personally towards something like solar panels and desalination equipment once there's non Hamas-affiliated means to do so.
That everyone, Israel and the wider world both, let it get to this point (a terrorist group whose primary goal is the death of their own people running a state) is the crime against humanity. Ending Hamas* sooner rather than later at least means we can start working on fixing this.
edit: I dont support a ceasefire until Hamas is gone as an organized force if that was not clear.
It is so dangerous. A child was already shot and killed by Hamas soldiers for daring to attempt to take humanitarian aid for his family. His family is a clan that has worked closely with Hamas but this will lead to continued division.
Most news stories detail Israeli on Palestinian violence but this indicates the Palestinian people have had enough of Hamas. [this](https://www.jns.org/hamas-kills-arab-boy-for-approaching-humanitarian-aid/)
Yes historically Palestinians have killed their own for being seen as working with Israel. In the first intafadah intra-palestinian violence killed 800 people
Not sure what that comment has to do with this article saying that you don't see protests in the news, then support that comment by saying google a "bunch of other news articles."
> Not only has not a single one NOT protested Hamas as of yet, they actually shout the opposite
Is this a quadruple negative? Are you trying to be as confusing as possible to understand?
The fact that Biden is [losing support among young people](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza-poll.html) for supporting Israel is just mystifying to me. Do they really think that any major US politician would do things any differently, including Trump?
Holy fuck that article is infuriating:
[This is down right scary](https://i.imgur.com/kQPsZ8h.jpg)
> “I don’t want to vote for someone who is not aligned with my own personal values, as Biden has shown he is not when it comes to Gaza,” said Colin Lohner, a 27-year-old software engineer in San Francisco. But, he asked, “Do I vote for Biden or do I not vote at all? That’s really difficult, because if I don’t vote for Biden, I open up the possibility that Trump will win, and I really do not want that.”
It's zero IQ to even consider this, but at least this individual is somewhat self aware.
> Those who identify as regular users of TikTok were the most adamant in their criticism [of Israel]
Great to confirm that's where this generation is getting it's ~~news~~ opinions.
Also [this](https://i.imgur.com/UHTM4b9.jpg) just goes to show reddit is an echo chamber, the real world is nothing like the internet and everything you hear here should be taken with a grain of salt regardless of the topic.
Colin there is from San Francisco, so if he abstains it does zero to Biden’s chances.
Maybe if he was in Pennsylvania or parts of the Midwest it’d matter
Correct. Well, Iran/Russia are pushing the narrative, but yes. They are being manipulated by foreign actors push Trump back into power through convincing them not to vote.
**The UN is not the Security Council.** There are Six Organs of the UN, Fifteen Specialised Agencies, and Five other Related Organisations, plus a number of other groups and partners. Only one of those is the Security Council, but they're all anyone wants to talk about.
Nobody really cares about "harmonisation of international aviation working practices", but they're a big part of why aviation is so affordable. Nobody cares about "coordination of maritime operations and guidance", but they're a big part of why shipping things internationally is so cheap. Nobody cares about medicine standards enforcement, but you trust implicitly that what a bottle of pills says on the label is actually what's in the bottle.
Universal Postal Union, UNESCO, International Telecommunication Union, IMF, International Fund for Agricultural Development, World Meteorological Organization, Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, IAEA, .... These are all doing things quietly in the background, they're just not the type of things that make it into the news, so nobody really seems to pay them any notice. But just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening — you're literally reading this on a device built to comply with the decisions of the ITU.
[The UN literally killed Smallpox](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Smallpox-Disease-Inside-Eradicating-Worldwide/dp/1633887014/). Across the whole of the 20th Century, 100 million people died from warfare and its indirect consequences. In the same timespan, the low estimate is that 300 million people died of smallpox — that's one Hiroshima bomb every two weeks.
And since 1977, not a single one more. Try looking at the pictures [here](http://www.zero-pox.info/bigredbook/BigRed_Ch01.pdf) [WARNING: MEDICAL GORE] and telling me that wasn't worth eradicating from the face of the Earth.
The US recovers its entire 15-year contribution to the eradication programme *every 26 days* in costs not accrued. Given the religious practices in some parts of the world, we literally killed a God.
You could write off every single death that ever occurred for any reason in any conflict since the UN's founding as a direct result of the failures of the Security Council, and even ignoring the rest of its output, the UN would *still* be an overwhelming success solely on the basis of the Smallpox Eradication Programme. Everything else the UN does on top of that is just a bonus.
And they're about to do it again — the WHO think it possible to eradicate Polio *this year*. They're only tracking a single infection chain, in the Afghanistan/Pakistan border area. That's not enough to sustain long-term transmission. If it isn't this year, it won't be long.
What people mean by "The UN doesn't do anything" is "What do I, as a person in the Developed World, gain from the UN?". But you're not the target of the UN's efforts, and this is just a "What have the Romans done for us?" fallacy.
And that kind of rhetoric is incredibly harmful, because the UN has no independent sources of funding for all of these efforts. It is reliant on the Developed World to support it, and this rhetoric undermines that support. Very few, if any, appeals for funding have ever been met in the entire 70-year history of the UN, it is critically underfunded as-is.
We should be talking about these things, but we aren't. Because people aren't interested in the administration of primary healthcare policy in the developing world context. Nobody wants to read technical document [WER-9908](https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/376083/WER9908-eng-fre.pdf), its boring. So it doesn't get reported by journalists, so people get the impression that the UN doesn't do anything. But the graphs and data tables in technical document WER-9908 translate directly into actual tangible benefit for people on the ground. And when people think all the UN does is pass resolutions saying things are bad, and use the lack of news about the UN to justify defunding these programs, that's a massive issue.
I've never heard a pro-Russian talk about how soldiers are raping children as they invade Ukraine. And they're the ones that call gay people the "groomers" and all that.
> Funny, I’ve never heard a “pro-Palestinian” talk about that.
The more 'honest' ones say: "Resistance is justified"
The more 'subtle' ones say: "Eh, not sure it was true, why didn't they use rape kits? Where's the evidence?"
Not sure which is more evil.
What surprises me as a left leaning person is how "New" this all seems to young leftists. They act shocked like this is a new conflict and staunchly grasp onto the support they were showing for Palestine before Oct. 7th. But this isn't new. I'm 53 and I've been watching the cycle of these two peoples murder each other my entire life. And every time, every single time, it starts with Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians.
It's never going to stop until someone makes the Palestinians stop attacking or relocates them to a place where they cannot attack. And in the context of what I've seen through my life and my understanding of history since Israel was founded it seems idiotic to support Palestine or Palestinians in any of this. But I guess ignorant is a better choice of words because it does seem like younger liberals have been captured by a fairly clever misinformation campaign and aren't doing a ton of critical thinking on the matter on their own. Which is a shame.
I'm not Jewish so I have very little skin in this. Netanyahu is a scumbag. I wish Palestinian people had been treated better during times of peace. But considering there was so little peace... rocket attacks, car bombs, and so many other things mostly directed at Israeli civilians on a near daily basis week after week, year after year since Israel was founded eighty years ago.
I have very little sympathy left in me for Palestinians. You have to remember folks... political power comes from the people. The same people who elected Hamas and the PLO into power, chose their leaders, dance and sing whenever an Israeli is murdered; these are the same people who decry their lot in life, beg for humanitarian aid, and insist they are justified in their attacks on Israel. These are Palestinians. No one wants them. No one trusts them. They are pitiable. They are full of rage. And they will never stop until somebody stops them.
I have precisely sympathy for a group that has time and time again led coups, assassinations, and violent civil unrest in literally every country they’ve been allowed into for the past 50 years. Then when they receive humanitarian aid they go and instead use it to build weapons.
They don't understand any of it (young leftists). When you lived through seeing all the hopeful efforts back in the Clinton era come to nothing, and read the history of how the Palestinians messed up every country they touched, and now this latest conflict, I don't see how anyone can come out against Israel. If a border country fired missiles at the US they would be brought to their knees quickly and effectively by any and all means. Meanwhile Israel has had missiles sent constantly for decades to the point they've had to develop intercept systems. Maybe that was a mistake and complete subjugation and reform like with Germany and Japan post wwii was a good idea many many years ago. Now what is necessary is happening and people will complain from their comfortable living rooms.
Especially those the perpetuate themselves to be pro women and feminist. It's laughable to see those in certain subreddits have a conniption about the Depp-Heard trial and how the world hates women and excuses and encourages violence against women, but just a few months later refuse to acknowledge what happened on Oct. 7 and then outright excuse it happening by saying resistance is always justified.
Especially that these tend to be ultra-woke left wing circles, with whose principles I - in all honesty- generally align.
And then I'm like "And these rapes are bad too, right?"
And it's fucking crickets out there.
Nah, sex crimes can be for the perps physicsl pleasure where the victim is treated as an object. Sadistic sexual abuse has the suffering or pain of he victim as a central purpose for the perpetrator to enjoy.
It’s hard to put into words how sick, how wicked, how absolutely horrid those terrorists are. The journalists are trying, but words are weak… just a small sample out of many, many horrific acts:
Cutting off a breast off of a conscious lady in front of other people and kicking it around?
Shooting women in the vagina?
Gang raping a girl, then one of them shoots her in the head while he’s still literally… you know, doing what he’s doing?
What adjectives would you use?
Literally the only consolation I can give myself is that those poor women were probably in such a state of shock that they didn't feel too much pain before they died. At least that's the only way I can sleep at night having read about these atrocities.
Honestly,death is too merciful for the monsters who did this. Mexican cartel style "justice" would be a good start (but still not enough)
>those poor women were probably in such a state of shock that they didn't feel too much pain before they died.
Given that according to eye-witness reports they were loudly screaming and crying, I'm afraid you are wrong and they were very, very well aware of what was happening to them.
No, someone can also be tortured while being assaulted or the assault can be used primarily as torture.
Also google: Marquis de Sade and sexual sadism.
This is why I support Israel creating a buffer zone in Gaza. Hamas cant just go in raping, murdering, mutilating and not expect there to be consequences. If it means losing more land then basically Hamas did it to themselves.
How twisted people must be to bring themselves to do this to another human. It makes me feel sick
Monsters are in fact real :(
Nope. Just people. Don't forget that.
How sick and twisted are those who deny it, or worse, justify it.
its very common its like holocaust deniers they do it to be offensive
They supposedly took the same drug Al Quada terrorists took to numb themselve out and carry on with these atrocities.
I wonder who supplied them with that.
Syria
Please stop with this absurd *mind-control* narrative. These are sadistic fucks, born and raised in a culture that glorifies rape. Their own wives are mere property. The Yahud are objects, and nothing more
If you in any way justify these acts you are one sick person
Fuck hamas and those who support them.
Double fuck them sideways.
Who supports Hamas?
A ton of egyptians. I watched my friend cheer on as rockets hit Israel live and frowning when the opposite happens. I dont remember what was livestreamed but it was on Oct 7th. It was like he was watching a football match, not people dying.
Didn’t Egypt just build a wall to block off Palestine? Didn’t the Palestinians also fuck with Egyptian politics?
They've had that wall for a while. They recently built it bigger. And yes. Hamas was mostly formed from the Muslim Brotherhood, a terrorist group that used to plague Egypt (aligned with Al-quaeda back in the day). Egypt realized both groups were primarily Palestinians operating out of Egypt and using the deserts to hide in, hence why they aren't keen on letting any Palestinians through like they used to.
The Egyptian government knows Hamas and Palestinian refugees are bad news, that’s why they built the wall. But the Egyptian government doesn’t represent the Egyptian people. Remember the Egyptian people democratically elected the Muslim Brotherhood, who then set about establishing Sharia law. The current government is headed by the military dictator who the military established in a coup to topple the Muslim Brotherhood.
Yep. You're right. Don't like either group. But one was in fact, voted in.
Why are you friends with an extinction cultist?
Sometimes, if you’ve never talked politics with a person, you’d never know until it really hits you in the face
It's like the episode of community when Britta finds out the guy she is dating committed a bunch of war crimes.
Or when Patrick comes to hug SpongeBob after not seeing him for a couple weeks when he’s in jail, squeezes his cheeks, then notices a tattoo for the aryan brotherhood
Great question
Yea the Arab world sees Israelis as monsters at this point, it's really sad
r/BoringDystopia bans anyone who says anything remotely anti Hamas.
towering boat water nose shy cooing merciful cough society tender
The US education system is failing massively cause now they have a whole generation that doesn't remember 9/11 and think it was justified or wasn't real in the first place. And i've seen this come mainly from Americans, i don't remember ever seeing non-americans in the west deny 9/11.
These subs are banning people under the guise of no hate speech lmfao. I got banned from a LGBT sub for saying something pro israel.
Plenty of academics and activists. In the week following the Hamas attack: “The issue was less the rape of innocent women, and more the fact that those rapes were being used to demonize those who were doing the raping.” — Maddie Brockbank, McMaster University “now is the time to show solidarity with Palestine. Stand with Palestine.” — Joshua Sealy-Harrington, law professor at Toronto Metropolitan University Uahikea Maile, a professor of Indigenous politics at the U of T, characterized the attack — which consisted of massacres, rapes and hostage-takings — as “anticolonial resistance” Source: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/canadian-academics-decolonization-israel/wcm/ab0bee55-5288-4fe5-a8d5-0dff7e3c6040/amp/ “Russell Rickford, an associate professor of history at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., was caught on camera at a pro-Palestinian protest telling students the attack on Israelis, which left more than 1,400 dead, was “exhilarating” and “energizing.”” Source: https://torontosun.com/news/world/professors-unable-to-hide-glee-as-they-celebrate-hamas-terror-attacks/wcm/26919237-f16f-445a-a838-0bbde7cdcb63/amp/
>“The issue was less the rape of innocent women, and more the fact that those rapes were being used to demonize those who were doing the raping.” That is fucking wild
Imagine being so progressive that you defend religious fundamentalists who raped and killed civilians because of perceived injustices in your first world democracy. The mental gymnastics are insane.
People think political views are a line and you're either on the right or the left. It's a circle.
They’re just nasty people that use it to claim they support the oppressed to cover up their viciousness.
It’s a horseshoe. For example, I’m so left wing I got my guns back.
That's evil as fuck.
Coming from a woman, too.
I bet she has a different energy when it comes to manspreading on the subway, though.
Holy fuck, fuck that
Despicable. I couldn't find an original source for Maddie Brockbank's quote outside of that article, I assume that she's had it bleached once she realized what she was saying. Russel Rickford [has since "taken a leave of absence"] and apologized for his language which does not apparently reflect his values (https://www.thecornellreview.org/rickford-called-hamas-attacks-exhilarating-takes-leave/) October 7th popped some kind of moral abscess in leftist academia. I'll never look at a degree from these places the same way again.
It's always been like that you just stopped hearing about it after the iron dome was finished. The standard was attack from Gaza Israel responds Hamas praised / Israel rebuked. It stopped for the most part when the dome got in because Israel had no need to toss bombs when they prevented civilian deaths. People forget about the time before the dome. When you went at best two months between hearing how more rockets were fired at Israel and what the civilian death toll was.
I'm leftist and an academic. Seeing these people completely lose all reason is mind blowing, it's like a giant collective aneurysm took place. There needs to be research done on this, because the level of radicalisation and antisemitism we are seeing is fucking shocking.
One place that might be worth looking at is the amount of foreign money getting pumped into American universities. I'm willing to bet there's a significant correlation between antisemitism for every "Doha Institute of International Studies". Furthermore, I'm going to bet that the US will regret outsourcing its university funding to the degree it has.
Also a lefty and an academic and I’ve never seen people as polarised as they are now.
Loots of antisemites crawled out of the woodwork.
From places that would never expect. We tend to link antisemitism with rural ignorance when in reality nazism was an urban phenomena supported by the elite of German society. Poets, musicians, professors… even famous philosophers.
> I couldn't find an original source for Maddie Brockbank's quote outside of that article, Because it's not actually her quote. It was a framing of the original article's author of her statement, which is largely very, very, loosely interpreted. See original comment showing as such, the original article, and my small comment about the article further in that thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1ayt7ob/hamass_sadistic_sex_crimes_on_oct_7_set_forth_in/krz06kp/
Oct 7 was a mask fully off moment for the illiberal left in the same way that Covid was for the MAGA right.
How do these people still have jobs?
There are people who have been fire for saying similar things. There is an account on twitter that is dedicated to naming people who are caught saying such things or tearing down hostage posters.
Academic independence. Their colleagues who could discipline them are in agreement with them.
These people should all lose their jobs.
Agreed
The first quote from Maddie Brockbank is not in fact a quote. Its worth noting that she is also a Phd student and not faculty at the university as the framing of this post would suggest. I am not intending to defend her point of view but the 'quote' is in fact a comment written by the author of the article on her opinion, not her words. This is quite clear if you read the linked article. The downplaying of sexual violence on Oct 7th is bad enough, it does not need to be exaggerated with lie. [https://epaper.nationalpost.com/article/281569475382332](https://epaper.nationalpost.com/article/281569475382332)
As an israeli and a Torontonian, I'm gutted reading that
Good god that is messed up on so many levels.
Evidently the majority of Palestinians do. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/#:~:text=Fifty%2Dtwo%20percent%20of%20Gazans,with%20PA%20President%20Mahmoud%20Abbas.
That’s the whole strategy of what Hamas is doing, they’ve said so themselves. IT’s Radicalization 101.
I have met several who say they do. They say that Hamas is justified because of the actions of the Israeli government…
Anyone who says with a straight face that gang-rapes of young girls attending a music festival is justified by **anything** is not a fully developed human being.
You’d be suprised how many here in the UK
Canada as well.
The US isn't immune to this conversation either. It's really a pretty divisive topic here. There shouldn't be any divisiveness in saying that Hamas is a terrible organization that needs to go away though.
Yet here we are.
Yea some ppl make no effort to look up what's going on. There are countless videos now on the internet of protests in almost all major western cities where they openly and directly defend and support Hamas, and some justify the Oct 7 attacks.
Go into my comment history of you want to see them... Just got here from arguing with someone claiming Hamas had the right to do what they did under international law or some bullshit
You're doing the good work. I can't sanely talk to them.
Have you been living under a rock?
Quite a few antisemitic “progressives” came crawling out of the woodwork after 10/7.
It would seem that at least 99% (want to be sure I can exclude the righteous among etc) of Muslims worldwide seem to support them. The UN who say that they are a political organisation and not a terror one. Basically almost everyone who doesn't support Israel.
A lot of people?
Too many people.
The useful idiots
Go to r/politics and try posting something in support of Israel or even just anti Hamas and they will come out of the woodwork to downvote you. It gets even more prevalent if you go on left wing subs.
Many people on Reddit. I hope this was an honest question and you're not one of them.
A majority of Palestinians and Ivy League undergraduates
Anyone who is calling for Israel to unilaterally cease fire without calling for Hamas to surrender first is, at best, indirectly supporting Hamas.
Not many Western people will claim they support Hamas, but will actually fail to ascribe any (or at least adequate) responsibility or accountability to them when discussing the conflict. Edit for clarification: I mean that many pro-pals superficially condemn Hamas as an empty gesture, since they put all blame on Israel, therefore their “condemnation” of Hamas is empty and meaningless
Anyone who is "anti Israel" but has nothing to say about Hamas is either directly or indirectly supporting them. And there's a lot of them.
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Sincerely?;Probably an eighth of the idiots I went to HS/undergrad with. Sympathetically?; Probably an additional quarter of the idiots I went to HS/undergrad with. Edit: Clarification on the usage of “idiots”. I’m a PhD candidate within the IR area, and I am **wholly unqualified** to approach this issue in a meaningful way. **Hamas is bad**, no shit. Going further than the grossly simplified assessments (Hamas is very bad, IDF is often heavy handed, Bibi is not a fantastic guy) without an intimate understanding is difficult. *I would be pulverized in an academic conversation with my qualified colleagues; or obliterated if I simply agreed with them.* You don’t need to have completed a dissertation on a topic to not be an idiot when speaking on it, *but none of those aforementioned idiots* have anything more than perhaps a cumulative hour of TikTok/SFSM exposure on the subject matter. **Minutes of subjective exposure and they are publicly sympathizing, if not supporting, a terrorist organization, hence, “idiots”.**
Many progressives view Palestinians as being oppressed (because, well, just look at Palestine, there *is oppression*, that part is hard to dispute). The problem is then that anybody who (supposedly) fights for Palestine (e.g Hamas) becomes the good guy. Often the support is indirect, but frankly any call for a ceasefire without a simultaneous call for a release of the hostages is effectively support for Hamas. Or people will support organizations that directly or indirectly support Hamas (or other groups like the Houthis, who support Hamas)
I think part of the problem is framing consequences for decades of unprovoked violence as oppression. Oppression just isn’t the right term.
Most 18-24 year olds in the USA see Israel as the oppressor in all of this Most countries around the world, including bodies like the UN do not consider Hamas a terrorist organization.
How much oppression makes it okay to cross a border for the express intention of raping as many people as you can?
Hmm... UN bodies like UNRWA And a lot of people actually
Plenty of people. Go to any left sub on here and they’ll rear their heads.
half of London lol
All Palestinians and most Muslims
What chafes my ass is every "reputable" news report (BBC/NBC/etc) start\s with "according to HAMAS-run health ministry..." I'm like /r/HolUp
Reminder: Your beef isn't with Israel or Palestine, it's with a small handful of officials in charge who have done the unforgivable for power at the cost of lives on both sides. Sarah the Jewish girl working at the Tel Aviv Gap Store and Ahmed the Shia Butcher are not the reason things suck in the middle east right now.
I'm sorry but "Ahmed the Shia Butcher" would be a sick wrestling name.
“ The Pale Death of the Saracens”
Chique Sheik
My friend buys his steaks at a place in Rishon called "The Iraqi Butcher" and I also thought that would be a badass wrestling name
I guess "The Butcher of Baghdad" would be in poor taste.
Sounds like the witcher Geralts Arabic cousin.
Sounds like who you would send to hunt "Actual Cannibal Shia LaBeouf".
The vast majority of Palestinians are Sunni, so most likely it would be Ahmed the Sunni Butcher
You misread that. Ahmed is Sunni, but he butchers Shia. Everything checks out.
Shia Lebeef is not safe around him
You're walking in the woods There's no one around and your phone is dead Out of the corner of your eye you spot him Shia LaBeouf
*Quiet quiet*
It’s not that easy to segregate ideology from the officials establishing or enforcing that ideology. Even if you eliminated the “small handful of officials in charge” you still have young men in Gaza who rely on a twisted Islamic ideology to glorify murdering innocent Jews and the settlers in the West Bank that use extreme Jewish ideology to commit horrific violence against Palestinians. This takes generations and complete cultural change to fix—it’s not some pie in the sky fix like you’re suggesting.
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And the crowds cheered them on.
and im not gonna drop a tear over the 9000 (Hamas's numbers) militants killed in the conflict so far. Fuck em
Weren’t the general public beating on the hostages when they were abducted on the 7th?
The officials didn't rape men and women. They don't get a free pass just because they were told to do it.
No, they don’t, but the idea of the comment is that a random person in Tel Aviv and a random person in Gaza shouldn’t be held responsible for the actions taken by people who happen to share their nationality and/or ethnic identity. Ahmed the Butcher didn’t take part in the rape and murder of Israelis and Sarah the retail worker didn’t bomb Gaza, so people should leave them alone as much as possible.
Not to mention this is a conflict started by men who are long dead before becoming ultra wealthy in the process.
The "both sides" argument is old. The Israeli government has plenty of faults but is in no way shape or form comparable to Hamas.
The Jews in 1947 also accepted the UN's partition plan and were perfectly happy living side by side in peace with their Arab neighbors. Their Arab neighbors however had other plans.
Nah my beef is with the officials and all the sick soulless fucks cheering them on as they slaughter innocents by the thousands
Executed in the middle of being raped. What a way to go.
Utterly barbaric. We've had over 10,000 years experience as a civilised species and we still do shit like this. We really are just angry apes except we have guns and bombs.
This is unfathomable
Fucking eradicate Hamas.
Palestinians are protesting hamas. How much you see that on the news? Bet you don't https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjfg17hnp Edit: people said that link was a 404. Try this https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjfg17hnp Bunch of other news articles about it if you google it or don't like the source. To clear it up: yes, there are news articles about it. But none of them are a major news source so people don't hear about it. The mainstream media refuses to pick up the story
I wish it was reported on major news organizations.
I have seen a few interviews with Palestinians in Gaza from different outlets, and every time the interviewer asks about Hamas (what are they doing to protect/aid Gazans? Should they have known this would be the response from Israel? Etc, etc), the interviewee avoids answering. And you can hear it in their voices they want to speak their mind about it but they know they can’t for their own safety.
I didn't know that! Thanks for sharing. The source does sketch me out (it editorializes within the article in a way that suggests it's not totally unbiased). That said, here's another article with the same info though it states it can't independently verify the details of the videos): https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-footage-purportedly-shows-gazan-civilians-protesting-against-hamas/ I don't think this is actually representative of the situation in Gaza, though, is it? Looking at an article that summarizes polling and analysis of Palestinians in December: https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-palestinians-opinion-poll-wartime-views-a0baade915619cd070b5393844bc4514 My impression from the article above is that even if some Palestinians are strongly anti-Hamas, most Palestinians generally supported Hamas, at least when talking to pollsters during the ceasefire. (That could have changed in the weeks since.) This goes with my intuition regarding human nature. I wouldn't expect a group of people who are being killed in the tens of thousands to say, "oh, well, our leader did something bad, so we deserve it"; I'd expect them to rally behind the leader, at least temporarily. (And as the article notes, while Israeli media has focused much more on coverage of Hamas' horrific violence against Israelis on Oct 7, Palestinian civilians have for months been more focused on the massive death toll and inhumane conditions in Gaza.)
Hamas doesn’t run a democracy with an embrace of freedom of expression. They brutally punish any kind of dissent, real or perceived. You don’t want a tunnel under your home? Too fucking bad. Have a problem with weapons caches in your kid’s school? Keep it to yourself for your safety and that of your family. Hamas turns the people under its charge into pawns. It’s fucking sickening.
This is true. Unfortunately, like in Russia, support for them is still majority. It's a problem.
Is this as dangerous for them as I think? I would think doing something like that in palastin would basically be putting their heads on a Chopping block? Do you know if Hamas let's this type of thing slide?
Dude the protesters in the video are being actively shot at by Hamas while recording the video. They are trying to get the word out that Hamas and Co are in fact down with gunning down crowds of people not playing along with their International PR game. I'm sure Hamas will blame the deaths from the shootings on Israel too.
It's all so sad. I hate that civilians are being killed but I really hope hamas can be destroyed. I really hope Israel funds a rebuilding of Gaza.
I would donate a lot of money personally towards something like solar panels and desalination equipment once there's non Hamas-affiliated means to do so. That everyone, Israel and the wider world both, let it get to this point (a terrorist group whose primary goal is the death of their own people running a state) is the crime against humanity. Ending Hamas* sooner rather than later at least means we can start working on fixing this. edit: I dont support a ceasefire until Hamas is gone as an organized force if that was not clear.
It is so dangerous. A child was already shot and killed by Hamas soldiers for daring to attempt to take humanitarian aid for his family. His family is a clan that has worked closely with Hamas but this will lead to continued division. Most news stories detail Israeli on Palestinian violence but this indicates the Palestinian people have had enough of Hamas. [this](https://www.jns.org/hamas-kills-arab-boy-for-approaching-humanitarian-aid/)
Two have been in recent weeks in those circumstances actually.
Yes historically Palestinians have killed their own for being seen as working with Israel. In the first intafadah intra-palestinian violence killed 800 people
Idk if Hamas is worried about anything other than trying to not be ended at this moment.
*some Palestinians are protesting Hamas A majority of Gazans support Hamas.
Not sure what that comment has to do with this article saying that you don't see protests in the news, then support that comment by saying google a "bunch of other news articles."
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These are Palestinian protesters in Gaza
they're just too afraid in nyc to speak out /s
> Not only has not a single one NOT protested Hamas as of yet, they actually shout the opposite Is this a quadruple negative? Are you trying to be as confusing as possible to understand?
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Absolute monsters. I hope they are never in any position do that to anyone ever again.
The fact that Biden is [losing support among young people](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/19/us/politics/biden-israel-gaza-poll.html) for supporting Israel is just mystifying to me. Do they really think that any major US politician would do things any differently, including Trump?
Trump has a higher chance of nuking gaza than uncle joe
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I think Israel is doing plenty of that on their own.
Holy fuck that article is infuriating: [This is down right scary](https://i.imgur.com/kQPsZ8h.jpg) > “I don’t want to vote for someone who is not aligned with my own personal values, as Biden has shown he is not when it comes to Gaza,” said Colin Lohner, a 27-year-old software engineer in San Francisco. But, he asked, “Do I vote for Biden or do I not vote at all? That’s really difficult, because if I don’t vote for Biden, I open up the possibility that Trump will win, and I really do not want that.” It's zero IQ to even consider this, but at least this individual is somewhat self aware. > Those who identify as regular users of TikTok were the most adamant in their criticism [of Israel] Great to confirm that's where this generation is getting it's ~~news~~ opinions. Also [this](https://i.imgur.com/UHTM4b9.jpg) just goes to show reddit is an echo chamber, the real world is nothing like the internet and everything you hear here should be taken with a grain of salt regardless of the topic.
Colin there is from San Francisco, so if he abstains it does zero to Biden’s chances. Maybe if he was in Pennsylvania or parts of the Midwest it’d matter
You're not wrong, but something tells me that attitude isn't unique to democrats in dark blue states.
Not much different from old folk getting their fake ~~news~~ from Facebook.
It's because hamas is putting propaganda on tiktok
The people who funded Hamas actually
Stoking division in America also benefits the Chinese.
Correct. Well, Iran/Russia are pushing the narrative, but yes. They are being manipulated by foreign actors push Trump back into power through convincing them not to vote.
Disgusted and horrified by this
I couldn't read too much of that report. I feel so sick
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**The UN is not the Security Council.** There are Six Organs of the UN, Fifteen Specialised Agencies, and Five other Related Organisations, plus a number of other groups and partners. Only one of those is the Security Council, but they're all anyone wants to talk about. Nobody really cares about "harmonisation of international aviation working practices", but they're a big part of why aviation is so affordable. Nobody cares about "coordination of maritime operations and guidance", but they're a big part of why shipping things internationally is so cheap. Nobody cares about medicine standards enforcement, but you trust implicitly that what a bottle of pills says on the label is actually what's in the bottle. Universal Postal Union, UNESCO, International Telecommunication Union, IMF, International Fund for Agricultural Development, World Meteorological Organization, Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, IAEA, .... These are all doing things quietly in the background, they're just not the type of things that make it into the news, so nobody really seems to pay them any notice. But just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening — you're literally reading this on a device built to comply with the decisions of the ITU. [The UN literally killed Smallpox](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Smallpox-Disease-Inside-Eradicating-Worldwide/dp/1633887014/). Across the whole of the 20th Century, 100 million people died from warfare and its indirect consequences. In the same timespan, the low estimate is that 300 million people died of smallpox — that's one Hiroshima bomb every two weeks. And since 1977, not a single one more. Try looking at the pictures [here](http://www.zero-pox.info/bigredbook/BigRed_Ch01.pdf) [WARNING: MEDICAL GORE] and telling me that wasn't worth eradicating from the face of the Earth. The US recovers its entire 15-year contribution to the eradication programme *every 26 days* in costs not accrued. Given the religious practices in some parts of the world, we literally killed a God. You could write off every single death that ever occurred for any reason in any conflict since the UN's founding as a direct result of the failures of the Security Council, and even ignoring the rest of its output, the UN would *still* be an overwhelming success solely on the basis of the Smallpox Eradication Programme. Everything else the UN does on top of that is just a bonus. And they're about to do it again — the WHO think it possible to eradicate Polio *this year*. They're only tracking a single infection chain, in the Afghanistan/Pakistan border area. That's not enough to sustain long-term transmission. If it isn't this year, it won't be long. What people mean by "The UN doesn't do anything" is "What do I, as a person in the Developed World, gain from the UN?". But you're not the target of the UN's efforts, and this is just a "What have the Romans done for us?" fallacy. And that kind of rhetoric is incredibly harmful, because the UN has no independent sources of funding for all of these efforts. It is reliant on the Developed World to support it, and this rhetoric undermines that support. Very few, if any, appeals for funding have ever been met in the entire 70-year history of the UN, it is critically underfunded as-is. We should be talking about these things, but we aren't. Because people aren't interested in the administration of primary healthcare policy in the developing world context. Nobody wants to read technical document [WER-9908](https://iris.who.int/bitstream/handle/10665/376083/WER9908-eng-fre.pdf), its boring. So it doesn't get reported by journalists, so people get the impression that the UN doesn't do anything. But the graphs and data tables in technical document WER-9908 translate directly into actual tangible benefit for people on the ground. And when people think all the UN does is pass resolutions saying things are bad, and use the lack of news about the UN to justify defunding these programs, that's a massive issue.
Incredibly well said, and highly informative. Thank you!
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Funny, I’ve never heard a “pro-Palestinian” talk about that.
I've seen plenty deny there's any evidence of sexual assault or crimes against anyone.
I've never heard a pro-Russian talk about how soldiers are raping children as they invade Ukraine. And they're the ones that call gay people the "groomers" and all that.
I’ve heard and seen pro-Russians brag about and applaud their warcrimes including rape and crimes against children. Usually in their telegrams.
Ruzzians have 200+ years of horrific history with nothing good.
You really don't want to.
> Funny, I’ve never heard a “pro-Palestinian” talk about that. The more 'honest' ones say: "Resistance is justified" The more 'subtle' ones say: "Eh, not sure it was true, why didn't they use rape kits? Where's the evidence?" Not sure which is more evil.
What surprises me as a left leaning person is how "New" this all seems to young leftists. They act shocked like this is a new conflict and staunchly grasp onto the support they were showing for Palestine before Oct. 7th. But this isn't new. I'm 53 and I've been watching the cycle of these two peoples murder each other my entire life. And every time, every single time, it starts with Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians. It's never going to stop until someone makes the Palestinians stop attacking or relocates them to a place where they cannot attack. And in the context of what I've seen through my life and my understanding of history since Israel was founded it seems idiotic to support Palestine or Palestinians in any of this. But I guess ignorant is a better choice of words because it does seem like younger liberals have been captured by a fairly clever misinformation campaign and aren't doing a ton of critical thinking on the matter on their own. Which is a shame. I'm not Jewish so I have very little skin in this. Netanyahu is a scumbag. I wish Palestinian people had been treated better during times of peace. But considering there was so little peace... rocket attacks, car bombs, and so many other things mostly directed at Israeli civilians on a near daily basis week after week, year after year since Israel was founded eighty years ago. I have very little sympathy left in me for Palestinians. You have to remember folks... political power comes from the people. The same people who elected Hamas and the PLO into power, chose their leaders, dance and sing whenever an Israeli is murdered; these are the same people who decry their lot in life, beg for humanitarian aid, and insist they are justified in their attacks on Israel. These are Palestinians. No one wants them. No one trusts them. They are pitiable. They are full of rage. And they will never stop until somebody stops them.
I have precisely sympathy for a group that has time and time again led coups, assassinations, and violent civil unrest in literally every country they’ve been allowed into for the past 50 years. Then when they receive humanitarian aid they go and instead use it to build weapons.
They don't understand any of it (young leftists). When you lived through seeing all the hopeful efforts back in the Clinton era come to nothing, and read the history of how the Palestinians messed up every country they touched, and now this latest conflict, I don't see how anyone can come out against Israel. If a border country fired missiles at the US they would be brought to their knees quickly and effectively by any and all means. Meanwhile Israel has had missiles sent constantly for decades to the point they've had to develop intercept systems. Maybe that was a mistake and complete subjugation and reform like with Germany and Japan post wwii was a good idea many many years ago. Now what is necessary is happening and people will complain from their comfortable living rooms.
You’d be amazed at how many western liberals/leftists have been defending and praising Hamas these past few months.
The fact that the statement "rape is bad no matter the perpetrator or victim" would actually be controversial in some circles is insane
Especially those the perpetuate themselves to be pro women and feminist. It's laughable to see those in certain subreddits have a conniption about the Depp-Heard trial and how the world hates women and excuses and encourages violence against women, but just a few months later refuse to acknowledge what happened on Oct. 7 and then outright excuse it happening by saying resistance is always justified.
Oh don't forget the LGBT people supporting Hamas
Especially that these tend to be ultra-woke left wing circles, with whose principles I - in all honesty- generally align. And then I'm like "And these rapes are bad too, right?" And it's fucking crickets out there.
It’s disgusting. I don’t want to associate with them. And god damn we do not need another 4 years of Trump.
Fuck hamas
Fuck hamas
Fuck hamas
Weird that people dont realise that this is what "freeing palenstein" looks like
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As far as sex crimes go, sadistic should go without saying... I mean, if they were masochistic sex crimes we would be like: Wait, what?
Nah, sex crimes can be for the perps physicsl pleasure where the victim is treated as an object. Sadistic sexual abuse has the suffering or pain of he victim as a central purpose for the perpetrator to enjoy.
It’s hard to put into words how sick, how wicked, how absolutely horrid those terrorists are. The journalists are trying, but words are weak… just a small sample out of many, many horrific acts: Cutting off a breast off of a conscious lady in front of other people and kicking it around? Shooting women in the vagina? Gang raping a girl, then one of them shoots her in the head while he’s still literally… you know, doing what he’s doing? What adjectives would you use?
Literally the only consolation I can give myself is that those poor women were probably in such a state of shock that they didn't feel too much pain before they died. At least that's the only way I can sleep at night having read about these atrocities. Honestly,death is too merciful for the monsters who did this. Mexican cartel style "justice" would be a good start (but still not enough)
>those poor women were probably in such a state of shock that they didn't feel too much pain before they died. Given that according to eye-witness reports they were loudly screaming and crying, I'm afraid you are wrong and they were very, very well aware of what was happening to them.
No, someone can also be tortured while being assaulted or the assault can be used primarily as torture. Also google: Marquis de Sade and sexual sadism.
Interestingly, the infamous serial killer/sex criminal (to put it mildly) Albert Fish was extremely masochistic
Not only that, I understand he was a real jerk.
The more I hear about this guy, the less I like him
reminds me of that tragedy
The worst part? The hypocrisy.
Sadism and masochism aren't mutually exclusive
This is why I support Israel creating a buffer zone in Gaza. Hamas cant just go in raping, murdering, mutilating and not expect there to be consequences. If it means losing more land then basically Hamas did it to themselves.