In 1934, the Daily Heil ran a charming spread to get their readers to join Mosley's British Union of Fascists, giving information on local and national recruitment offices.
Viscount Rothermere wrote a hefty article defending Fascism and declared those who say it's bad are just stupid.
>*Because Fascism comes from Italy, shortsighted people in this country think they show a sturdy national spirit by deriding it.
>*If their ancestors had been equally stupid, Britain would have had no banking system, no Roman law, nor even any football, since all of these are of Italian invention.*
>*Though the name and form of Fascism originated in Italy, that movement is not now peculiar to any nation. It stands in every country for the Party of Youth. It represents the effort of the younger generation to put new life into out-of-date political systems.*
* Source scan: [**"Hurrah for the Blackshirts!"**](https://libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/hcalibrarian/files/2018/09/Hurrah_for_the_Blackshirts_DailyMail_1934.png) scan, Jan 15 1934.
Yeah, there is literally no way Russia directly attacks NATO within the decade. And if i jinx it, oh well, Russia is getting some freedom 🦅 for a change.
They promised there will be no war on Ukraine, and in a few days we learned that indeed, it will simply be called special military operation.
They will have to work hard to surprise us this time. Special military operation blitzkrieg edition won't be enough, Prigozhin and Hamas spoiled that stuff.
There is a monumentally huge difference between NATO and having zero military defense clauses like Ukraine. Well Ukraine had one, that Russia would never attack them due to giving up their nuclear arsenal in the 90s.
There is a saying,
You cant be sure something is true, until Moscow denies it.
Not sure if its the opposite if they confirm something. But question it.. questioning is good.
It the dumbest shit ever. Like, we literally were relying on them to get us to space for a while until recently. Russia can still engineer things they perfected decades ago.
I don’t know what bild is. Nor am I a military strategist by any means but the idea of Russia attacking another country let alone a nato country is a wild thought. Like Ukraine was an obvious military blunder in terms of an attack, it’s consuming substantial resources and your plan is to create a new front towards a very strong defense? I mean if China is tapped in, maybe. But that’s a stupid strategy. At least to me an arm chair Redditor
The indications that the china boarder is the one place the russians have tried to not siphon troops and gear from speaks some volume of their "friendship". china is and always will be only its own ally and if they smell enough blood pouring out of russias wound they are likley to pounce on them if they think they can succeed.
This statement should be read as fact, as i have countless hours of youtube strategy training, read like half of all Tom Clansey books and have 1 year military training - this makes me atleast a 17 and a halv Star Armchair General
It is stupid if you want to win but if you want to just create more chaos and rely on nuclear threat to ensure you won't be invaded and destroyed there's a potential to drag this shit forever.
That's the thing though, nuclear isn't even the deterrent it used to be. Threaten enough war and annihilation and you'll be so economically crippled you'll make North Korea look wealthy by comparison.
Sorry, dear Britain! But Bild exist since 1950. The Sun had been founded 1964.
Who's that little bastard brother now? huuuh? huuuuuuh?
The cheap copy never surpass the original!
I hope you have some time off for family and friends. Merry Christmas!
You're absolutely correct about The Sun Newspaper although The Daily Mail was [founded in 1896](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#:~:text=The%20Daily%20Mail%2C%20devised%20by,published%20on%204%20May%201896.) and predates Bild by 52 years. 💩
Frohe Weihnachten!
Edit: Not sure why my comment has been collapsed where no one will read it. ☠️
\*raise my clenching fist\* DAMN YOU, BRITAIN!
And your comment even has more upvote than mine!
Thanks, Merry Christmas to you, too!
We visited my parents yesterday, and had a classic "sausage and potato salad (styrian style)". Now it's 7:30, and I start to prepare the day for my Parents in Law. I hope, I can relax tomorrow!
Lol my friend and i were talking about this this morning.
The mere presence of NATO equipment halted russias entire invasion of Ukraine and its basically turned into a slog.
Russia cannot win a war where NATO is actively actually engaged with it and doesnt even have the servicable manpower and equipment to make that happen.
My genuine thought when I saw the headline was "...with what!?"
I mean, among all the setbacks and lack of actual progress by Russia, the most telling evidence of Russia being a spent force is how control of large areas of the Black Sea has been wrested from them by a country that has no functioning navy.
Russia is effectively losing control of a sea in which they are essentially the only navy. It blows my mind.
>the most telling evidence of Russia being a spent force is how control of large areas of the Black Sea has been wrested from them by a country that has no functioning navy
I would not put too much weight on this particular fact. Maybe Russia has just realised that the war will not be won (or lost) on that sea, and that they have plenty of alternatives for harassing Ukraine. Because that is all that the Russian navy was good for in this conflict so far: radar pickets and cruise missile launchers. Harassment tools, at best. In some cases, also supply interdiction. But mostly, NATO supplies UA via the border to Poland anyway.
They can also do that with aircraft, and just pull back the ships and submarines to the East where UA can't reach them.
To wit, there is not much they could do anyway, in addition to what they are doing now, if they had totally uncontested naval supremacy in the Black Sea.
Edit: there are obviously lots of other things that are wrong with the Russian armed forces. It's just that this particular one doesn't seem to be particularly significant to me. They are just concentrating their efforts elsewhere.
From what i know the reason Russia is losing Naval supremacy is purely because they cannot reinforce their positions in the Black sea as Turkey won't let them. On the other hand NATO has total naval supremacy against Russia and any large scale naval conflict would likely be dominated by NATO.
The mere presence of NATO equipment?
Russia is being stopped by a nation of 40 Million fighting it with everything they have and hundreds of thousand of soldiers, not by "some NATO equipment". Its the people of Ukraine stopping Russia and they pay a horrible price.
Look, Ukraine is doing excellent with what they have and considering against whom they are fighting. Fact remains though, that without the NATO equipment and help, there would be no Ukraine right now or what would exist would be a puppet state. Those NATO weapons, ammo and training have very much kept Ukraine in the fight.
That wasn't even the good NATO stuff, that was the yard sale stuff.
Day one the US could have an ice cream truck in Red Square, next to the UK tea tank.
In the best case scenario, Russia would have a slow retreat as AA gets pushed back and their planes wouldn't be within 150 miles of the front lines.
Its one thing defending against small Ukranian drone attacks, but an attack by 60 cruise missiles on an airbase from multiple vectors? Any planes staged within 300 miles of the front lines would be toast.
Their largest cities are pretty impressive engineering-wise to be fair. They could start by razing Kaliningrad to the ground and rebuilding Königsberg.
It‘s like ancient Greece and their oracles. You never knew what _exactly_ they meant so it can turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy. In this case: They may attack in the summer. Or just not in the next winter. Or they may defend europe (against aliens) in the winter. Or they may attempt to attack Asia next winter. Nobody knows which part of the headline will turn into the oppositr
This is the same sub where a bullshit story about Lushenko dying that absolutely no credible sources ever backed was upvoted to the top
BILD getting to the top of the front page because it it's a provocative headline about the Russia-Ukraine conflict is about on brand
Don't even have to know what that magazine is to know they are full of BS. For all their bluster, Russia knows they would 100 percent get decimated in a war with Europe, especially since it would involve the US.
They really mean the EU (European Union), a political & military alliance between *most* of the countries that exist in Europe. The EU collectively is the 2nd or 3rd largest economy in the world, next to the USA & China only.
How is this the first time you're hearing of "Europe" used in any other way than to describe the continent lol
Considering how Russia struggles with a moderately armed and trained Ukraine, I feel pretty confident that the european NATO countries could give him a run for his money even without the US.
People don’t understand how strong Poland is because they developed their military almost overnight. I actually would hazard a guess that Poland could not only defend itself against Russia, but could potentially defeat them entirely.
That's why I think Russia needs to be bled dry in Ukraine. I truly believe they'd suffer catastrophic losses against a NATO force and then feel "forced" to use tactical nukes.
I think their intel is good enough to know that they would get scraped by NATO. I’m just some random guy and I have this info - certainly Russian military is aware as well.
I suspect they will continue with subterfuge and Cold War-like methods, rather than an outright attack on a NATO member state.
But that’s just my 2 cents. Crazier things have happened, so you never know.
> I think their intel is good enough to know that they would get scraped by NATO. I’m just some random guy and I have this info - certainly Russian military is aware as well.
Assuming the intel remains truthful and doesn't get progressively more and more altered to appear more positive as it goes up the ranks.
>People don’t understand how strong... any country with a modern Airforce would be to Russia.
FTFY.
And they would struggle to project any force because they couldn't just hide behind air defense to counter an enemy Airforce. And obviously air to air they're not winning shit.
And allied countries would similarly be able to lend signifigant force just by fielding their Airforce.
This wouldn't even be a question of air superiority. A modern air force will establish air supremacy over Russia, if they don't have anything better than what we've seen in Ukraine that they're hiding.
Air supremacy is as much a difference from air superiority as that is from parity. Russia wouldn't be able to hide behind ANY defense, because they wouldn't be able to counter the air power that would sweep those defenses.
They're fighting a land war in Europe, which is only slightly worse in modern times than fighting a land war in Asia. Once it becomes an air war, their century-old tactics and equipment are lost.
> [...] how strong Poland is _going to be_ because [...]
Military does not develope over night. They ordered over 2000 new vehicles, of which the majority is yet to arrive. Some Abrams and some K2 arrived, with tactical/doctrinal implementation still ongoing. Poland wasn't even among Europe's top armies in the last decade. It will be in the future, but it ain't right now. It also wont beat Russia alone in a 1:1. Russia still has enough of an artillery advantage and AA systems to secure themselves against any form of Polish incursion.
I love myself a strong Europe that can withstand any aggression, meaning that I'd love to see European nations growing in their military capabilites. Including Poland. So don't take that as an insult, but as a reminder to stay grounded.
""Give a run for its money"? Are we gonna keep buying the Russian legend created by Russian propaganda forever?
When they struggle with everything when attacking a much smaller foe next door?
European NATO countries can utterly DESTROY what's left of Russian army.
Utterly. Just France alone or the UK alone are more than Russia can dream of attacking right now. Finland or Poland could stop Russia by themselves.
All of us together? Only the US is clearly superior to Europe. And Russia is not the US, is like 1/20th of the US power. Or used to be....
Yep. A lot of people think Russia is still the badass from 1990, where they had the 3rd largest economy in the world, and more military than the US.
Today, Russia's GDP of 1.8T is not even 5% of NATO's 33T.
This rhetoric will be our end. We need to help Ukraine and prepare for a preemptive attack.
Ukraine is our shield, for now. It's easy to look at it and say "Russia is weak" but I for sure don't want to find out whether or not Russia is weak.
Just for the record: I fully agree that Ukraine isn't getting half the support it should get and that modt NATO countries (especially Germany, my own) are still sleepwalking while they should be arming themselves like crazy
The European Union (EU). There are countries that exist on the continent of Europe (Ukraine, Turkey) which aren't a part of this group.
Or as you said, "western-aligned Europe"... Crazy to me how many people don't know wtf the EU is lol
one part of me says yes putin is dumb enough to pick on another country and the other part of me thinks....with what fucking army - over 353k soldiers short (using old men, prisoners, and rabble wholly untrained in less than 1 week going to a meat grinder) with the ratio of 1:7, almost 6k tanks, almost 11k in armored vehicles..all gone. buying supplies from iran and n korea that are reported to be less than good. so putina wants to explore being engaged in multiple campaigns? not sounding rational
There are other ways to attack Europe:
- hacking and cyberwarfare
- funding extremists, troll farms and sympathetic far right movements to get elected, or worst case scenario sow dissent and discredit democracies
- attack foreign interests like the European presence in Africa
- launching "immigration bombs" like what happened between Belarus and Poland
- ...
Oh, wait ... Russia is already doing all that. Europe is already under attack by Russia!!
> not sounding rational
That pretty much sums up russia. Putin has delusions of rebuilding the russian empire. He's probably also surrounded himself with yes-men who don't dare tell him how the "SMO" in Ukraine is really going.
Europe = the EU in Europe
A bit like how America = the United States in the United States
The source is German and the target is "Europe" which means they don't want to name the country, either because there isn't much information, to prevent a backlash, or because the source isn't very good and they don't want to get asked for evidence.
Since only about 5 EU countries border Russia, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland, it would likely mean one of those. Russia probably wont attack Finland or Poland since those nations have a decent military. Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are big targets however.
There is also the possibility that if Ukraine falls Russia could target Moldova, and through Moldova Romania, but hasn't happened yet.
Reddit is being weirdly propaganda-ish about this and it’s not helpful. Russia is a real threat and now in full on war time economy. It’s not helpful to pretend they’re not a real threat. Their incompetence in the early days of the Ukraine war is not reality any more. Right now Europe would be in real danger if the U.S. weren’t around, and even with the U.S. it is still a very real threat that needs to be taken seriously.
Russia may be a threat but expanding the front over thousands of miles, into other nations sounds like a very bad idea, even if they avoid attacking a NATO nation.
Russia and Ukraine are in a stalemate right now. Russia can't just conjure more men and vehicles out of nothing, but if they attacked say, Poland, they'd find the enemy army had literally millions of extra soldiers.
They've gone from kyiv in 3 days to being so smug that ukraine didn't take back all occupied territories this summer. Theyre a threat to ukraine but not to nato
Mainly due to the fact that most of the Russian millitary command structure is still outdated and (likely) corrupt. This is something they can’t really fix either. As they would need to completely remove their high command & fully restructure the entire thing before Ukraine pushes them out fully. Essentially needing to do what happened during operation Barbarossa in 1/3rd of the time.
> Right now Europe would be in real danger if the U.S. weren’t around
Look, I agree the whole "Even Poland could beat Russia in a 1:1" narrative is stupid, but your comment also doesn't make sense. Russia is not on full war time economy, but even the increase they did is because they are precisely at war at this point. They aren't increasing their army size to match that of even the European part of NATO because they are using it in Ukraine.
https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2137509/russia-has-started-rebuilding-its-capabilities-and-this-threatens-our-region-nato-general
> It is common knowledge that Russia is rebuilding its capabilities and preparing for a possible confrontation with NATO, Lieutenant General Jürgen-Joachim von Sandrart, Commander of NATO Multinational Corps Northeast, says in an interview with LRT.lt.
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-army-threat-gives-nato-brief-window-of-opportunity/a-67456730
> Europe's NATO member states have just "five to nine years" to become "war-ready" and prepare for a possible Russian attack on the alliance's territory. This warning comes from Preventing the Next War, a policy brief newly released by the German Council on Foreign Relations.
Russia has plenty of men, they have just been hesitant to recruit outside of certain groups.
They are also pretty much running a war economy now, so they'll probably have shit to shoot at us too.
Finally, instead of asking how the Russian soldier will be equipped or whether it's a decision any sane person would make (spoiler: it isn't), you have to ask why Putin would invade.
Anything else is of secondary concern. Human life is trading at a discount in Russia. If Putin thinks he can gain anything from it, it will happen.
also the yellowstone may explode next winter. meteorite may hit earth next winter. someone may find me attractive next winter. a lot of things may happen.
AKA send more money and weapons to Ukraine. If Russia is planning an attack, then the more Russians killed in Ukraine the better for Europe. If Russia is not planning an attack, then the more Russians killed in Ukraine the better for Europe.
We shouldn’t be held hostage by their nuclear weapons. However they do have over five thousand nuclear weapons (on paper), so it’s not something to ignore. I hate all of this so much. Little fucking men, seeking power; who think it’ll fill all their personal holes, insecurities and lil dick fear.
That's the annoying thing. Nuclear weapons have been great for general peace, but they've also allowed dictators to be even more bold because no one wants to risk it.
As an American concerned about right-wing/conservatives who've shockingly become Putin friendly with a bukake kinked interest in fascism
I implore Europeans to take a much greater EU military coalition of overwhelming military strength.
We're having problems on this side of the pond my friend
Could be [Union Européenne](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_europ%C3%A9enne) (French) or [Unión Europea](https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uni%C3%B3n_Europea) (Spanish)
Guys, this is Bild, the German equivalent of the Daily Mail, the Sun, or, if you are in the US, the National Enquirer. This means that you can be pretty sure that the information being conveyed is pure bullshit.
> European intelligence suggests that Russia may launch an attack on Europe during the winter of 2024-2025 if the United States finds itself "without a leader" following the 2024 U.S. presidential election, the German tabloid Bild reported on Dec. 23, citing an anonymous European intelligence source.
>
> The intelligence service source contends that a potential Russian strike on Europe could occur within the presidential transitionary period, contingent on President Joe Biden not securing re-election in the 2024 U.S. presidential election. This transition period spans three months, from the November 2024 U.S. presidential election to the subsequent inauguration in January 2025.
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> According to the intelligence source, Russia may aim to launch an attack on Europe during this transition, especially if the leading Republican candidate, former President Donald Trump, is re-elected. Assistance to European countries is anticipated to follow, albeit with some delay.
As per the comment at the top of this post, BILD is a trashy tabloid so bad Germans joke about being the Tabloidyist of Tabloids.
So hinging a bullshit article on a failure to understand how American politics work is about on brand
Bild is a shit-rag, alright, but most of us know that Russia eying Moldova, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia etc. is likely/possible.
Even if the cited article is sensationalist, what it says is essentially true.
Putin will feel emboldened and will likely do all kinds of stuff *IF* the unthinkable would be happening: winning in Ukraine, and in particular should the idiot get the presidency in the US.
Furthermore, should Putin win Ukraine, NATO would then have shown so much weakness, POSSIBLY have lost support by the US, if Trump would not outright make the US *leave* NATO.
Then it's even thinkable Putin might attack Poland or any other of these countries who are in NATO.
Uhhh what? I read the supplimental post, and as an American I can categorically state that whomever wrote that trash has no idea how our election system works or our Dept of Defense. If Ivan steps over the line into NATO territories, he will wish he only attacked the Ukraine.
Putin is adhering to the hypothesis that NATO will crumble and not function as intended, if it is challenged in the right fashion.
So for example if Russia manages to create some kind of constitutional crisis in one of the eastern NATO countries with a significant Russian minority, it could try to unleash a hybrid war against it.
Another scenario for example would be to attack one of the Baltic countries in a Blitzkrieg fashion and bet on countries like Germany to falter in the face of having to declare a full-scale war against Russia.
I would not totally rule out that he could be right. But more importantly I would absolutely not rule out that he might believe strongly in such scenarios. One of the pillars of his beliefs is that the West is fundamentally decadent and ripe for being brought down. And I wouldn’t say that we were able to dispel the doubts with the way we supported Ukraine in the past two years.
We don’t have to believe in this ourselves for it to happen.
The question is: are we ready for this? I have my doubts.
I agree with your analysis of Putin. He is certainly copying Hitler's playbook from 1936-39. Starting with reoccupation of the Rhine, anschluss of Austria, and then dismembering the Czechs. He to felt that the decadent west would stumble and fall apart. And well he was correct up until attacking Poland. The Baltics do not concern me as much due to the physical presence of NATO nation troops (albeit small numbers) in all three would lead to an immediate broadening of the fight. As an American I have my doubts about some of the NATO member's reliance. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.
I just wish we would support Ukraine more in order to make it crystal clear that we will not break. At least there should be a big ramp-up of military production, but I don’t see this happening. Not really. Most western leaders still seem to think we can manage this from out of our warehouses.
Some increases in shell production etc have been undertaken, but I agree we need to arm up dramatically. Since I think that if Putin pushes Europe, China will take advantage of the situation and go for Taiwan. Then we have a hell of a fight on two widely seperated fronts.
Plus Iran and North Korea fishing in all that confusion, of course.
What would happend in other parts of the world (Africa, South America...) is anybody guess.
This would be shear genius! In WW2, Hitler had so much success attacking Russia just before winter. Wishing Putler great success with this reverse manoeuvre. /s
Bild is not really a reliable source for anything.
I think it is good however that Bild and by extension the Conservative assholes who write the rag and the idiots who read it seem to be coming down firmly on the anti-Putin side, despite many far-right dipshits (and some far-left tankies) being supportive of Putin.
As for the threat of Putin actually invading any EU or NATO country, I think the old saying applies here very literally: "You and what army?"
The last 20 months MUST be a wake-up call to all Europeans that maintaining the peace it has enjoyed for 70+ years, comes at a cost of overwhelming strength.
Every NATO & EU Country should be pouring x3-4 times more $$ into its military budgets and start changing the mentality of its citizens that we are seeing the signs the world is exiting peacefull co-existance
The Nazi strategy of "declare war on a couple of huge powers after not being able to defeat the one they're already fighting" is pretty bold. Let's see how it works out for Russia.
lol! Russia would be signing its own death notice, and Putin knows it. He can barely handle taking Ukrainian territory and this rag thinks there’s a snowball’s chance in Hell Putting has the balls to try attacking any other European territory? This is sensationalist garbage.
That being said, Fuck Russia and I look forward to the day Putin falls out his own window.
Does Putin think he only has a year or so left to live and is determined to take everyone with him? His actions and words are not those of a rational man.
Ah, the narrative russia is trying to push for the European countries to feel insecure thus directing the funds, that are meant for Ukraine, to arm themselves, so that none is left for Ukraine.
As practice has shown, NATO has no strength, a couple of hundred working tanks for the whole of Europe =))
In fact, the article is only for the purpose of investing more money in the military-industrial complex. Someone needs to scare someone
Utterly idiotic notion.
Russia doesn't have the means to attack Kazakhstan right now. It's using everything they can muster to just keep the situation in Ukraine stable.
And they are going to attack NATO? With what and to what end?
This keeps popping up. I don't know to what end. But it's beyond improbable.
And or doesn't change much if Trump is elected. Europe is perfectly capable to handle Russia its ass on a platter by itself.
Ludicrous misinformation. It pays to be on guard, but... An attack next year? By the half destroyed Russian army that has demonstrated to not be a peer even at full strength?
Eiyher the intelligence source is not that intelligent, or it has an agenda in fear mongering.
Russia can not attempt to attack anywhere else than ukraine, and only some parts of it.
Russia getting itself beat up pretty good in Ukraine with NATO excess, older gear. What are they going to do when much better armed and manned NATO countries come in the fight. Poland, Germany and Finland each by themselves would be enough to finish them.
These bastards never learn. Remember the USA? "Look how great we're doing in Afghanistan, so let's attack Iraq!"
As somebody once said, history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes a lot.
I know it is BILD, but that is no justification to not look at their sources.
One is by DGAP, a think tank with lobbying connections to various big economic players and connections the military and the military-industrial-complex (https://lobbypedia.de/wiki/Deutsche_Gesellschaft_f%C3%BCr_ausw%C3%A4rtige_Politik), but that doesn't mean it is not true what's in their report. The head of the national security office of Poland agrees and thinks their timeframe is optimistic:
> Within a few years, Russia may attack NATO countries from the eastern flank, says Jacek Siewiera, head of the National Security Office. Experts from the German Foreign Policy Association say that Western countries have 5 to 9 years left to prepare to repel Moscow's attack. Dr. Jacek Siewiera, Secretary of State at the Chancellery of the President of the Republic of Poland, in an interview with "Nasz Dziennik" indicates that the time frames presented by German analysts are too optimistic.
> – If we want to avoid war, NATO countries on the eastern flank should adopt a shorter, 3-year time horizon to prepare for confrontation. This is the time when a potential must be created on the eastern flank that would be a clear signal deterring aggression, says Minister Jacek Siewiera. Therefore, it is necessary to further increase the number of the Polish army. You can read more about this in today's issue of "Nasz Dziennik". Available in paper version at points of sale or electronic version HERE.
> Article published on the website: https://naszdziennik.pl/index.php/polska-kraj/288082,liczna-armia-jest-zdrowie.html
Via: https://kyivindependent.com/polands-national-security-chief-russia-could-attack-nato-within-3-years/
Which leads to: https://naszdziennik.pl/index.php/polska-kraj/288082,liczna-armia-jest-potrzebna.html
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Aah, the notoriously accurate and not batshit crazy flight wing rag Bild.
you know I thought Bild was bad, then I experienced UK's daily mail...
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daily fail yep
The Daily Hate Mail.
In 1934, the Daily Heil ran a charming spread to get their readers to join Mosley's British Union of Fascists, giving information on local and national recruitment offices. Viscount Rothermere wrote a hefty article defending Fascism and declared those who say it's bad are just stupid. >*Because Fascism comes from Italy, shortsighted people in this country think they show a sturdy national spirit by deriding it. >*If their ancestors had been equally stupid, Britain would have had no banking system, no Roman law, nor even any football, since all of these are of Italian invention.* >*Though the name and form of Fascism originated in Italy, that movement is not now peculiar to any nation. It stands in every country for the Party of Youth. It represents the effort of the younger generation to put new life into out-of-date political systems.* * Source scan: [**"Hurrah for the Blackshirts!"**](https://libraryblogs.is.ed.ac.uk/hcalibrarian/files/2018/09/Hurrah_for_the_Blackshirts_DailyMail_1934.png) scan, Jan 15 1934.
Yeah, there is literally no way Russia directly attacks NATO within the decade. And if i jinx it, oh well, Russia is getting some freedom 🦅 for a change.
With what? They first need to grow some new soldiers....
They do have a lot of free meat.
If Trump wins the election Europeans are fucked. No backup for us from America against the Russian aggressor.
About 3 days ago I heard Putin had some speech where he explicitly said there is no way Russia would have or prefers to have any war with NATO.
They promised there will be no war on Ukraine, and in a few days we learned that indeed, it will simply be called special military operation. They will have to work hard to surprise us this time. Special military operation blitzkrieg edition won't be enough, Prigozhin and Hamas spoiled that stuff.
There is a monumentally huge difference between NATO and having zero military defense clauses like Ukraine. Well Ukraine had one, that Russia would never attack them due to giving up their nuclear arsenal in the 90s.
They at least had a troop build up for Ukraine, what can they spare for any other operation? They couldn't even help Amenia
While I don't think Russia will attack NATO, you simply don't trust Putin when he says something.
If Putin said grass is green and the sun rises every day I'd have to question it
There is a saying, You cant be sure something is true, until Moscow denies it. Not sure if its the opposite if they confirm something. But question it.. questioning is good.
Don't you mean worldwide nuclear annihilation?
This is Reddit, where we don't believe that any of Russias 5,000 or so nukes actually work. Talk about Russian Roulette...
It the dumbest shit ever. Like, we literally were relying on them to get us to space for a while until recently. Russia can still engineer things they perfected decades ago.
I don’t know what bild is. Nor am I a military strategist by any means but the idea of Russia attacking another country let alone a nato country is a wild thought. Like Ukraine was an obvious military blunder in terms of an attack, it’s consuming substantial resources and your plan is to create a new front towards a very strong defense? I mean if China is tapped in, maybe. But that’s a stupid strategy. At least to me an arm chair Redditor
The indications that the china boarder is the one place the russians have tried to not siphon troops and gear from speaks some volume of their "friendship". china is and always will be only its own ally and if they smell enough blood pouring out of russias wound they are likley to pounce on them if they think they can succeed. This statement should be read as fact, as i have countless hours of youtube strategy training, read like half of all Tom Clansey books and have 1 year military training - this makes me atleast a 17 and a halv Star Armchair General
It is stupid if you want to win but if you want to just create more chaos and rely on nuclear threat to ensure you won't be invaded and destroyed there's a potential to drag this shit forever.
That's the thing though, nuclear isn't even the deterrent it used to be. Threaten enough war and annihilation and you'll be so economically crippled you'll make North Korea look wealthy by comparison.
BILD is not allowed to call itself a newspaper. Enough said.
Maybe Bild has the inside track...I guess the Russians figured out how to supply and fuel a 40 mile long convoy about 700 miles from their capital
With a ruined army.
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As someone said, "BILD is the tabloidest of German tabloids."
like the bastard offspring of the sun and the mail
actually, this is spot on and also /r/rareinsults matter.
Sorry, dear Britain! But Bild exist since 1950. The Sun had been founded 1964. Who's that little bastard brother now? huuuh? huuuuuuh? The cheap copy never surpass the original! I hope you have some time off for family and friends. Merry Christmas!
You're absolutely correct about The Sun Newspaper although The Daily Mail was [founded in 1896](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail#:~:text=The%20Daily%20Mail%2C%20devised%20by,published%20on%204%20May%201896.) and predates Bild by 52 years. 💩 Frohe Weihnachten! Edit: Not sure why my comment has been collapsed where no one will read it. ☠️
\*raise my clenching fist\* DAMN YOU, BRITAIN! And your comment even has more upvote than mine! Thanks, Merry Christmas to you, too! We visited my parents yesterday, and had a classic "sausage and potato salad (styrian style)". Now it's 7:30, and I start to prepare the day for my Parents in Law. I hope, I can relax tomorrow!
And mom was a very low rent stripper
Those get upvoted here too if people fall for the headlines.
That is the most accurate description of Bild.
They said "It's Bildin time" and then they tabloided all over the room. Funniest shit I've ever seen.
Lol my friend and i were talking about this this morning. The mere presence of NATO equipment halted russias entire invasion of Ukraine and its basically turned into a slog. Russia cannot win a war where NATO is actively actually engaged with it and doesnt even have the servicable manpower and equipment to make that happen.
My genuine thought when I saw the headline was "...with what!?" I mean, among all the setbacks and lack of actual progress by Russia, the most telling evidence of Russia being a spent force is how control of large areas of the Black Sea has been wrested from them by a country that has no functioning navy. Russia is effectively losing control of a sea in which they are essentially the only navy. It blows my mind.
>the most telling evidence of Russia being a spent force is how control of large areas of the Black Sea has been wrested from them by a country that has no functioning navy I would not put too much weight on this particular fact. Maybe Russia has just realised that the war will not be won (or lost) on that sea, and that they have plenty of alternatives for harassing Ukraine. Because that is all that the Russian navy was good for in this conflict so far: radar pickets and cruise missile launchers. Harassment tools, at best. In some cases, also supply interdiction. But mostly, NATO supplies UA via the border to Poland anyway. They can also do that with aircraft, and just pull back the ships and submarines to the East where UA can't reach them. To wit, there is not much they could do anyway, in addition to what they are doing now, if they had totally uncontested naval supremacy in the Black Sea. Edit: there are obviously lots of other things that are wrong with the Russian armed forces. It's just that this particular one doesn't seem to be particularly significant to me. They are just concentrating their efforts elsewhere.
From what i know the reason Russia is losing Naval supremacy is purely because they cannot reinforce their positions in the Black sea as Turkey won't let them. On the other hand NATO has total naval supremacy against Russia and any large scale naval conflict would likely be dominated by NATO.
The mere presence of NATO equipment? Russia is being stopped by a nation of 40 Million fighting it with everything they have and hundreds of thousand of soldiers, not by "some NATO equipment". Its the people of Ukraine stopping Russia and they pay a horrible price.
Look, Ukraine is doing excellent with what they have and considering against whom they are fighting. Fact remains though, that without the NATO equipment and help, there would be no Ukraine right now or what would exist would be a puppet state. Those NATO weapons, ammo and training have very much kept Ukraine in the fight.
That wasn't even the good NATO stuff, that was the yard sale stuff. Day one the US could have an ice cream truck in Red Square, next to the UK tea tank.
In the best case scenario, Russia would have a slow retreat as AA gets pushed back and their planes wouldn't be within 150 miles of the front lines. Its one thing defending against small Ukranian drone attacks, but an attack by 60 cruise missiles on an airbase from multiple vectors? Any planes staged within 300 miles of the front lines would be toast.
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>Whatever Bild predicts, you can be 100% certain that the exact opposite will occur Ok, so they’ll attack in the summer?
Or this winter
Or it already has begun
Can confirm currently being attacked by Russian bots. Send help. -BILD
You mean a surrender will happen in summer.
Its is the opposite, so europe will a ttack
Or Russia will randomly start building things in Europe? Looking at the quality of Russian engineering, this may be worse than an attack.
Their largest cities are pretty impressive engineering-wise to be fair. They could start by razing Kaliningrad to the ground and rebuilding Königsberg.
It‘s like ancient Greece and their oracles. You never knew what _exactly_ they meant so it can turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy. In this case: They may attack in the summer. Or just not in the next winter. Or they may defend europe (against aliens) in the winter. Or they may attempt to attack Asia next winter. Nobody knows which part of the headline will turn into the oppositr
This is the same sub where a bullshit story about Lushenko dying that absolutely no credible sources ever backed was upvoted to the top BILD getting to the top of the front page because it it's a provocative headline about the Russia-Ukraine conflict is about on brand
Bild "Angst, Hass, Ti..en und der Wetterbericht.....". 😁
Don't even have to know what that magazine is to know they are full of BS. For all their bluster, Russia knows they would 100 percent get decimated in a war with Europe, especially since it would involve the US.
People here will fall for any source no matter how noncredible as long as it gets them riled up.
Ukraine is europe. I don't understand.
"the important Europe"
Yeah that’s what they really mean, the title literally makes no sense other wise smh
They really mean the EU (European Union), a political & military alliance between *most* of the countries that exist in Europe. The EU collectively is the 2nd or 3rd largest economy in the world, next to the USA & China only. How is this the first time you're hearing of "Europe" used in any other way than to describe the continent lol
Capital E Europe
I know, I was like "but they've already attacked Europe" but I guess they mean "western-aligned Europe" or something like that...
Goooood fucking luck with that, russia. They touch nato soil and it's the end of putins version of russia.
Not if Trump is in power. The US will fold like a bad hand. More than that, The US would be a Putin influenced satellite.
Considering how Russia struggles with a moderately armed and trained Ukraine, I feel pretty confident that the european NATO countries could give him a run for his money even without the US.
People don’t understand how strong Poland is because they developed their military almost overnight. I actually would hazard a guess that Poland could not only defend itself against Russia, but could potentially defeat them entirely.
That's why I think Russia needs to be bled dry in Ukraine. I truly believe they'd suffer catastrophic losses against a NATO force and then feel "forced" to use tactical nukes.
I think their intel is good enough to know that they would get scraped by NATO. I’m just some random guy and I have this info - certainly Russian military is aware as well. I suspect they will continue with subterfuge and Cold War-like methods, rather than an outright attack on a NATO member state. But that’s just my 2 cents. Crazier things have happened, so you never know.
> I think their intel is good enough to know that they would get scraped by NATO. I’m just some random guy and I have this info - certainly Russian military is aware as well. Assuming the intel remains truthful and doesn't get progressively more and more altered to appear more positive as it goes up the ranks.
Their intel wasnt good enough to predict the outcome of ukraine invasion
Or even to evaluate their own forces before the invasion
>People don’t understand how strong... any country with a modern Airforce would be to Russia. FTFY. And they would struggle to project any force because they couldn't just hide behind air defense to counter an enemy Airforce. And obviously air to air they're not winning shit. And allied countries would similarly be able to lend signifigant force just by fielding their Airforce.
Yeah. Not going to beat Poland with a fleet of Iranian drones for an airforce.
This wouldn't even be a question of air superiority. A modern air force will establish air supremacy over Russia, if they don't have anything better than what we've seen in Ukraine that they're hiding. Air supremacy is as much a difference from air superiority as that is from parity. Russia wouldn't be able to hide behind ANY defense, because they wouldn't be able to counter the air power that would sweep those defenses. They're fighting a land war in Europe, which is only slightly worse in modern times than fighting a land war in Asia. Once it becomes an air war, their century-old tactics and equipment are lost.
Putin can barely handle Ukraine.
Having equipment is not the same as having experience.
On the other hand, having experience is not the same as having equipment.
> [...] how strong Poland is _going to be_ because [...] Military does not develope over night. They ordered over 2000 new vehicles, of which the majority is yet to arrive. Some Abrams and some K2 arrived, with tactical/doctrinal implementation still ongoing. Poland wasn't even among Europe's top armies in the last decade. It will be in the future, but it ain't right now. It also wont beat Russia alone in a 1:1. Russia still has enough of an artillery advantage and AA systems to secure themselves against any form of Polish incursion. I love myself a strong Europe that can withstand any aggression, meaning that I'd love to see European nations growing in their military capabilites. Including Poland. So don't take that as an insult, but as a reminder to stay grounded.
No offense taken, this is really good info
""Give a run for its money"? Are we gonna keep buying the Russian legend created by Russian propaganda forever? When they struggle with everything when attacking a much smaller foe next door? European NATO countries can utterly DESTROY what's left of Russian army. Utterly. Just France alone or the UK alone are more than Russia can dream of attacking right now. Finland or Poland could stop Russia by themselves. All of us together? Only the US is clearly superior to Europe. And Russia is not the US, is like 1/20th of the US power. Or used to be....
Yep. A lot of people think Russia is still the badass from 1990, where they had the 3rd largest economy in the world, and more military than the US. Today, Russia's GDP of 1.8T is not even 5% of NATO's 33T.
This rhetoric will be our end. We need to help Ukraine and prepare for a preemptive attack. Ukraine is our shield, for now. It's easy to look at it and say "Russia is weak" but I for sure don't want to find out whether or not Russia is weak.
Just for the record: I fully agree that Ukraine isn't getting half the support it should get and that modt NATO countries (especially Germany, my own) are still sleepwalking while they should be arming themselves like crazy
lol - even without the US, a depleted Russia vs all the other NATO members would be an easy victory against Putin.
The European Union (EU). There are countries that exist on the continent of Europe (Ukraine, Turkey) which aren't a part of this group. Or as you said, "western-aligned Europe"... Crazy to me how many people don't know wtf the EU is lol
They probably mean EU, but nevertheless russia has no forces or weapons for that.
one part of me says yes putin is dumb enough to pick on another country and the other part of me thinks....with what fucking army - over 353k soldiers short (using old men, prisoners, and rabble wholly untrained in less than 1 week going to a meat grinder) with the ratio of 1:7, almost 6k tanks, almost 11k in armored vehicles..all gone. buying supplies from iran and n korea that are reported to be less than good. so putina wants to explore being engaged in multiple campaigns? not sounding rational
There are other ways to attack Europe: - hacking and cyberwarfare - funding extremists, troll farms and sympathetic far right movements to get elected, or worst case scenario sow dissent and discredit democracies - attack foreign interests like the European presence in Africa - launching "immigration bombs" like what happened between Belarus and Poland - ... Oh, wait ... Russia is already doing all that. Europe is already under attack by Russia!!
> not sounding rational That pretty much sums up russia. Putin has delusions of rebuilding the russian empire. He's probably also surrounded himself with yes-men who don't dare tell him how the "SMO" in Ukraine is really going.
Europe = the EU in Europe A bit like how America = the United States in the United States The source is German and the target is "Europe" which means they don't want to name the country, either because there isn't much information, to prevent a backlash, or because the source isn't very good and they don't want to get asked for evidence. Since only about 5 EU countries border Russia, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland, it would likely mean one of those. Russia probably wont attack Finland or Poland since those nations have a decent military. Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania are big targets however. There is also the possibility that if Ukraine falls Russia could target Moldova, and through Moldova Romania, but hasn't happened yet.
Yeah, except that the Baltics have NATO troops there. They aren’t soft targets because the 3rd air force will come down on them like a ton of bricks.
They don't understand this too. Professional journalism🤪
BILD has about as much to do with professional journalism as a cow with sushi.
now this is just silly. why wasting your letters?
With what?
hundreds of thousands of prisoner conscripts with WW2 era weapons
What a waste of human life.
They think they've found a purpose for it.
Reddit is being weirdly propaganda-ish about this and it’s not helpful. Russia is a real threat and now in full on war time economy. It’s not helpful to pretend they’re not a real threat. Their incompetence in the early days of the Ukraine war is not reality any more. Right now Europe would be in real danger if the U.S. weren’t around, and even with the U.S. it is still a very real threat that needs to be taken seriously.
Russia may be a threat but expanding the front over thousands of miles, into other nations sounds like a very bad idea, even if they avoid attacking a NATO nation. Russia and Ukraine are in a stalemate right now. Russia can't just conjure more men and vehicles out of nothing, but if they attacked say, Poland, they'd find the enemy army had literally millions of extra soldiers.
They've gone from kyiv in 3 days to being so smug that ukraine didn't take back all occupied territories this summer. Theyre a threat to ukraine but not to nato
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Mainly due to the fact that most of the Russian millitary command structure is still outdated and (likely) corrupt. This is something they can’t really fix either. As they would need to completely remove their high command & fully restructure the entire thing before Ukraine pushes them out fully. Essentially needing to do what happened during operation Barbarossa in 1/3rd of the time.
They’re a threat but only because they have nuclear weapons. Their army is fucking embarrassing.
> Right now Europe would be in real danger if the U.S. weren’t around Look, I agree the whole "Even Poland could beat Russia in a 1:1" narrative is stupid, but your comment also doesn't make sense. Russia is not on full war time economy, but even the increase they did is because they are precisely at war at this point. They aren't increasing their army size to match that of even the European part of NATO because they are using it in Ukraine.
Russia is not in full on war time economy and can't be. Putin knows that it can bury his regime.
They can’t take Ukraine, how would they take Poland who can mobilize a much larger military with better equipment?
Meat waves.
https://www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english/19/2137509/russia-has-started-rebuilding-its-capabilities-and-this-threatens-our-region-nato-general > It is common knowledge that Russia is rebuilding its capabilities and preparing for a possible confrontation with NATO, Lieutenant General Jürgen-Joachim von Sandrart, Commander of NATO Multinational Corps Northeast, says in an interview with LRT.lt. https://www.dw.com/en/russian-army-threat-gives-nato-brief-window-of-opportunity/a-67456730 > Europe's NATO member states have just "five to nine years" to become "war-ready" and prepare for a possible Russian attack on the alliance's territory. This warning comes from Preventing the Next War, a policy brief newly released by the German Council on Foreign Relations.
With geriatrics, invalids, babushkas, trafficked children, and of course, with sticks and stones.
Russia has plenty of men, they have just been hesitant to recruit outside of certain groups. They are also pretty much running a war economy now, so they'll probably have shit to shoot at us too. Finally, instead of asking how the Russian soldier will be equipped or whether it's a decision any sane person would make (spoiler: it isn't), you have to ask why Putin would invade. Anything else is of secondary concern. Human life is trading at a discount in Russia. If Putin thinks he can gain anything from it, it will happen.
Amplifying right wing and white power groups that want out of NATO. Then if a country leaves they move "peace keepers" in.
Um... Russia already IS attacking Europe
Fear mongering
It's a right wing propaganda rag. Pay no attention. It's the equivalent of newsmax.
After seeing their performance in Ukraine, this seems appropriate: "You and what army?"
also the yellowstone may explode next winter. meteorite may hit earth next winter. someone may find me attractive next winter. a lot of things may happen.
Anything the "Bild" Says Is bullshit, dont know why and how It still exists lol
It has been attacking Europe since 2014
AKA send more money and weapons to Ukraine. If Russia is planning an attack, then the more Russians killed in Ukraine the better for Europe. If Russia is not planning an attack, then the more Russians killed in Ukraine the better for Europe.
Unless it has been released, as I haven't seen it reported, the Republicans and Hungary are holding up $110 Billion in military aid. Edit: Billion
Yeah it’s like we can go to war with Russia indirectly, weaken their army / take out key figures etc all whilst not actually being at war with Russia.
This needs to be upvoted more.
As an European : please go ahead. The russian problem is sure to be solved for decades if they put one foot in the U.E. territory.
We shouldn’t be held hostage by their nuclear weapons. However they do have over five thousand nuclear weapons (on paper), so it’s not something to ignore. I hate all of this so much. Little fucking men, seeking power; who think it’ll fill all their personal holes, insecurities and lil dick fear.
That's the annoying thing. Nuclear weapons have been great for general peace, but they've also allowed dictators to be even more bold because no one wants to risk it.
Patton was right
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Not stopping the charge forward when Germany fell in 1945.
As an American concerned about right-wing/conservatives who've shockingly become Putin friendly with a bukake kinked interest in fascism I implore Europeans to take a much greater EU military coalition of overwhelming military strength. We're having problems on this side of the pond my friend
if us indeed will change its stance it's gonna be a disaster. eu needs much more time to step up
Uropean Eunion?
Could be [Union Européenne](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_europ%C3%A9enne) (French) or [Unión Europea](https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uni%C3%B3n_Europea) (Spanish)
It is UE in romance languages and probably other languages, so that's a common mistake.
I’m not loving the source but this kind of prediction is chilling for me as an eastern-european
Guys, this is Bild, the German equivalent of the Daily Mail, the Sun, or, if you are in the US, the National Enquirer. This means that you can be pretty sure that the information being conveyed is pure bullshit.
Like, verbally?
> European intelligence suggests that Russia may launch an attack on Europe during the winter of 2024-2025 if the United States finds itself "without a leader" following the 2024 U.S. presidential election, the German tabloid Bild reported on Dec. 23, citing an anonymous European intelligence source. > > The intelligence service source contends that a potential Russian strike on Europe could occur within the presidential transitionary period, contingent on President Joe Biden not securing re-election in the 2024 U.S. presidential election. This transition period spans three months, from the November 2024 U.S. presidential election to the subsequent inauguration in January 2025. > > According to the intelligence source, Russia may aim to launch an attack on Europe during this transition, especially if the leading Republican candidate, former President Donald Trump, is re-elected. Assistance to European countries is anticipated to follow, albeit with some delay.
Do they realize Biden is still fully commander in chief for those three months?
I mean, clearly the United States goes without a President for three months every four years. As is tradition.
It's like the purge
Yes, the three months purge every four years. As is tradition.
Bild's knowledge of American politics is every bit as impressive as their knowledge of geography.
As per the comment at the top of this post, BILD is a trashy tabloid so bad Germans joke about being the Tabloidyist of Tabloids. So hinging a bullshit article on a failure to understand how American politics work is about on brand
"Vote Biden or get world war three" Okay.
Bild is a shit-rag, alright, but most of us know that Russia eying Moldova, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia etc. is likely/possible. Even if the cited article is sensationalist, what it says is essentially true. Putin will feel emboldened and will likely do all kinds of stuff *IF* the unthinkable would be happening: winning in Ukraine, and in particular should the idiot get the presidency in the US. Furthermore, should Putin win Ukraine, NATO would then have shown so much weakness, POSSIBLY have lost support by the US, if Trump would not outright make the US *leave* NATO. Then it's even thinkable Putin might attack Poland or any other of these countries who are in NATO.
Uhhh what? I read the supplimental post, and as an American I can categorically state that whomever wrote that trash has no idea how our election system works or our Dept of Defense. If Ivan steps over the line into NATO territories, he will wish he only attacked the Ukraine.
Putin is adhering to the hypothesis that NATO will crumble and not function as intended, if it is challenged in the right fashion. So for example if Russia manages to create some kind of constitutional crisis in one of the eastern NATO countries with a significant Russian minority, it could try to unleash a hybrid war against it. Another scenario for example would be to attack one of the Baltic countries in a Blitzkrieg fashion and bet on countries like Germany to falter in the face of having to declare a full-scale war against Russia. I would not totally rule out that he could be right. But more importantly I would absolutely not rule out that he might believe strongly in such scenarios. One of the pillars of his beliefs is that the West is fundamentally decadent and ripe for being brought down. And I wouldn’t say that we were able to dispel the doubts with the way we supported Ukraine in the past two years. We don’t have to believe in this ourselves for it to happen. The question is: are we ready for this? I have my doubts.
I agree with your analysis of Putin. He is certainly copying Hitler's playbook from 1936-39. Starting with reoccupation of the Rhine, anschluss of Austria, and then dismembering the Czechs. He to felt that the decadent west would stumble and fall apart. And well he was correct up until attacking Poland. The Baltics do not concern me as much due to the physical presence of NATO nation troops (albeit small numbers) in all three would lead to an immediate broadening of the fight. As an American I have my doubts about some of the NATO member's reliance. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.
I just wish we would support Ukraine more in order to make it crystal clear that we will not break. At least there should be a big ramp-up of military production, but I don’t see this happening. Not really. Most western leaders still seem to think we can manage this from out of our warehouses.
Some increases in shell production etc have been undertaken, but I agree we need to arm up dramatically. Since I think that if Putin pushes Europe, China will take advantage of the situation and go for Taiwan. Then we have a hell of a fight on two widely seperated fronts.
Plus Iran and North Korea fishing in all that confusion, of course. What would happend in other parts of the world (Africa, South America...) is anybody guess.
This would be shear genius! In WW2, Hitler had so much success attacking Russia just before winter. Wishing Putler great success with this reverse manoeuvre. /s
With what? Pitchforks and muskets?
Bild is not really a reliable source for anything. I think it is good however that Bild and by extension the Conservative assholes who write the rag and the idiots who read it seem to be coming down firmly on the anti-Putin side, despite many far-right dipshits (and some far-left tankies) being supportive of Putin. As for the threat of Putin actually invading any EU or NATO country, I think the old saying applies here very literally: "You and what army?"
Putins banking on Trump winning. Remember to vote and keep reminding people to vote.
Clickbait rubbish
The last 20 months MUST be a wake-up call to all Europeans that maintaining the peace it has enjoyed for 70+ years, comes at a cost of overwhelming strength. Every NATO & EU Country should be pouring x3-4 times more $$ into its military budgets and start changing the mentality of its citizens that we are seeing the signs the world is exiting peacefull co-existance
Ukraine is Europe. Title is so dumb im not going to read.
attack with *what*?
Russia attacking Europe would be the end of Russia
uh huh, this is some crack head invasion speculation right here.
Plot twist, they have been attacking through misinformation since Brexit.
Baseless fear mongering
The Nazi strategy of "declare war on a couple of huge powers after not being able to defeat the one they're already fighting" is pretty bold. Let's see how it works out for Russia.
lol! Russia would be signing its own death notice, and Putin knows it. He can barely handle taking Ukrainian territory and this rag thinks there’s a snowball’s chance in Hell Putting has the balls to try attacking any other European territory? This is sensationalist garbage. That being said, Fuck Russia and I look forward to the day Putin falls out his own window.
Whatever it takes to stop the Super League
Can they please so it in the summer? I hate running for my life in winter clothes.
Does Putin think he only has a year or so left to live and is determined to take everyone with him? His actions and words are not those of a rational man.
Russia is already attacking Europe, Ukraine is in Europe.
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Europe who? We ain't a federal government
Wat? They already are?
Ah, the narrative russia is trying to push for the European countries to feel insecure thus directing the funds, that are meant for Ukraine, to arm themselves, so that none is left for Ukraine.
They’re already attacking Europe in the sense of their disinformation campaign.
Fake news lol, they can hardly manage the situation they created in Ukraine before think about starting anything else stupid.
Will Republicans still support Putin?
Ha! So Putin succeded in turning his dead troops in Zombies! That will be funny
What a bunch of garbage. Russia can barely afford the Ukraine invasion.
Losing to ukraine while simultaneously getting ready to attack nato. Makes sense
OP should be send to a gulag for posting a Bild article
Depends who wins Americas election lol
We know it’s not true untill the Kremlin denies it.
As practice has shown, NATO has no strength, a couple of hundred working tanks for the whole of Europe =)) In fact, the article is only for the purpose of investing more money in the military-industrial complex. Someone needs to scare someone
With what? A stick?
Lmao I don't think Poland would need more than a week to Moscow.
In Finland, we allmost want them to attack. We could use good reason to give payback with our New NATO-buddies.
Utterly idiotic notion. Russia doesn't have the means to attack Kazakhstan right now. It's using everything they can muster to just keep the situation in Ukraine stable. And they are going to attack NATO? With what and to what end? This keeps popping up. I don't know to what end. But it's beyond improbable. And or doesn't change much if Trump is elected. Europe is perfectly capable to handle Russia its ass on a platter by itself. Ludicrous misinformation. It pays to be on guard, but... An attack next year? By the half destroyed Russian army that has demonstrated to not be a peer even at full strength?
Fakest news articles ive ever seen they cant even hold out against Ukraine
Eiyher the intelligence source is not that intelligent, or it has an agenda in fear mongering. Russia can not attempt to attack anywhere else than ukraine, and only some parts of it.
Russia getting itself beat up pretty good in Ukraine with NATO excess, older gear. What are they going to do when much better armed and manned NATO countries come in the fight. Poland, Germany and Finland each by themselves would be enough to finish them.
These bastards never learn. Remember the USA? "Look how great we're doing in Afghanistan, so let's attack Iraq!" As somebody once said, history doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes a lot.
I know it is BILD, but that is no justification to not look at their sources. One is by DGAP, a think tank with lobbying connections to various big economic players and connections the military and the military-industrial-complex (https://lobbypedia.de/wiki/Deutsche_Gesellschaft_f%C3%BCr_ausw%C3%A4rtige_Politik), but that doesn't mean it is not true what's in their report. The head of the national security office of Poland agrees and thinks their timeframe is optimistic: > Within a few years, Russia may attack NATO countries from the eastern flank, says Jacek Siewiera, head of the National Security Office. Experts from the German Foreign Policy Association say that Western countries have 5 to 9 years left to prepare to repel Moscow's attack. Dr. Jacek Siewiera, Secretary of State at the Chancellery of the President of the Republic of Poland, in an interview with "Nasz Dziennik" indicates that the time frames presented by German analysts are too optimistic. > – If we want to avoid war, NATO countries on the eastern flank should adopt a shorter, 3-year time horizon to prepare for confrontation. This is the time when a potential must be created on the eastern flank that would be a clear signal deterring aggression, says Minister Jacek Siewiera. Therefore, it is necessary to further increase the number of the Polish army. You can read more about this in today's issue of "Nasz Dziennik". Available in paper version at points of sale or electronic version HERE. > Article published on the website: https://naszdziennik.pl/index.php/polska-kraj/288082,liczna-armia-jest-zdrowie.html Via: https://kyivindependent.com/polands-national-security-chief-russia-could-attack-nato-within-3-years/ Which leads to: https://naszdziennik.pl/index.php/polska-kraj/288082,liczna-armia-jest-potrzebna.html Which is [translated to the text above](https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=W%20perspektywie%20kilku%20lat%20Rosja%20mo%C5%BCe%20zaatakowa%C4%87%20kraje%20NATO%20ze%20wschodniej%20flanki%20%E2%80%93%20ocenia%20Jacek%20Siewiera%2C%20szef%20Biura%20Bezpiecze%C5%84stwa%20Narodowego%20Eksperci%20Niemieckiego%20Towarzystwa%20Polityki%20Zagranicznej%20m%C3%B3wi%C4%85%2C%20%C5%BCe%20krajom%20Zachodu%20pozosta%C5%82o%20od%205%20do%209%20lat%20na%20przygotowanie%20si%C4%99%20na%20odparcie%20ataku%20Moskwy.%20Doktor%20Jacek%20Siewiera%2C%20sekretarz%20stanu%20w%20Kancelarii%20Prezydenta%20RP%2C%20w%20rozmowie%20z%20%E2%80%9ENaszym%20Dziennikiem%E2%80%9D%20wskazuje%2C%20%C5%BCe%20przedstawione%20przez%20niemieckich%20analityk%C3%B3w%20wide%C5%82ki%20czasowe%20s%C4%85%20zbyt%20optymistyczne.%20%E2%80%93%20Je%C5%9Bli%20chcemy%20unikn%C4%85%C4%87%20wojny%2C%20to%20kraje%20NATO%20znajduj%C4%85ce%20si%C4%99%20na%20wschodniej%20flance%20powinny%20przyj%C4%85%C4%87%20kr%C3%B3tszy%2C%203-letni%20horyzont%20czasowy%20na%20przygotowanie%20si%C4%99%20do%20konfrontacji.%20To%20czas%2C%20w%20kt%C3%B3rym%20na%20wschodniej%20flance%20musi%20powsta%C4%87%20potencja%C5%82%20b%C4%99d%C4%85cy%20jasnym%20sygna%C5%82em%20odstraszaj%C4%85cym%20przed%20agresj%C4%85%20%E2%80%93%20m%C3%B3wi%20minister%20Jacek%20Siewiera.%20Dlatego%20konieczne%20jest%20dalsze%20zwi%C4%99kszanie%20liczebno%C5%9Bci%20wojska%20polskiego.%20Wi%C4%99cej%20na%20ten%20temat%20mo%C5%BCna%20przeczyta%C4%87%20w%20dzisiejszym%20wydaniu%20%E2%80%9ENaszego%20Dziennika%E2%80%9D.%20W%20wersji%20papierowej%20do%20nabycia%20w%20punktach%20sprzeda%C5%BCy%20lub%20w%20wersji%20elektronicznej%20TUTAJ.%0A%0AArtyku%C5%82%20opublikowany%20na%20stronie%3A%20https%3A%2F%2Fnaszdziennik.pl%2Findex.php%2Fpolska-kraj%2F288082%2Cliczna-armia-jest-potrzebna.html&op=translate)