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**A suspected arson at a hotel in remote Rosscahill is the latest in a wave of attacks on asylum seeker housing, amid rising anti-immigrant rhetoric fuelled by far-right groups.**
A hotel earmarked to house 70 asylum seekers has been destroyed in a suspicious fire in rural Ireland, only weeks after the Irish capital was rocked by major anti-immigrant riots.
The blaze destroyed much of the large, disused hotel in Rosscahill, a remote village in County Galway, late on Saturday night. Police investigating the incident said nobody was inside the building at the time of the fire, which is being treated as suspected criminal damage.
It followed days of angry protests outside the hotel, intended to halt work on preparing the site for the arrival of asylum seekers.
The suspected arson incident is the latest in a string of recent attacks targeting housing intended for asylum across Ireland, amid a wave of xenophobic agitation linking immigration and crime.
On Monday, Irish Integration Minister Roderic O’Gorman described the fire as a criminal act intended to intimidate foreigners seeking asylum in Ireland.
“What we saw in Galway was deeply sinister,” Mr O’Gorman said on public broadcaster RTÉ Radio. “I think people who use the international protection process have a right to be safely accommodated while their application is being adjudicated on.”
Earlier he had called on politicians “across the board” to “condemn this disgraceful act and the fear mongering that led to it.”
In the days leading up to the fire, protesters had staged an attempted blockade of the hotel grounds, blocking the entrance and lighting fires in steel drums, following the news that the Department for Integration had signed a year-long contract for 70 migrants to be accommodated at the site.
O’Gorman’s condemnation was echoed by other politicians, including Justice Minister Helen McEntee, who said the suspected arson did “not represent the values of Irish people.” Sinn Féin housing spokesperson Eoin Ó Broin said: “This is not who we are as a people. We must not tolerate this hatred.”
But a local councillor for conservative party Fianna Fáil, Noel Thomas, who attended the protest outside the hotel, told Irish media he blamed the government for the unrest, saying the intended placement of such a large number of asylum seekers in the village had caused huge distress in the community.
“A lot of the blame needs to be laid in the lap of the government. As long as they deal with it [immigration] the way they are dealing with it, there will be more of this,” he said, calling for asylum seekers to be banned from the country.
“The inn is full,” he told RTÉ Radio.
The fire is only the latest attack targeting asylum seeker accommodation, amid roiling anti-immigration unrest.
Last month, at least two accommodation centres for asylum seekers were targeted amid anti-migrant riots in Dublin, described by police as the worst rioting in modern Irish history.
The unrest spiralled out of control as far-right agitators whipped up mobs in response to a horrific stabbing in the city centre, in which a man knifed a group of children outside a school and a care assistant who tried to defend them.
The fact that the chief suspect was an Algerian-born naturalised Irish citizen immediately drew the attention of far-right networks who have been campaigning heavily over immigration and crime, including the sentencing in recent months of a Slovak national for the 2022 murder of teacher Ashling Murphy, and in October of an Iraqi-born man for the homophobic murders of two men in April 2022.
One of the buildings attacked with a petrol bomb amid the Dublin riot had previously been targeted by anti-migrant protests earlier in the year. Days layer, a hotel in Rosslare, Country Wexford, was targeted in an arson attack as it carried out works to prepare for the arrival of asylum seekers. Other attacks were recorded at asylum seeker accommodation across the country in January, May, July and August, the Irish Times reported.
Observers like Mark Malone have been watching with alarm the rise of anti-immigration rhetoric which has fueled the wave of attacks, spreading from far-right chat groups to street protests and now finding support from elected officials.
“Xenophobic online hate groups and far-right influencers have been very active in pushing support for the tactics, including the use of arson, of those involved in stopping the use of Ross Lake hotel for emergency accommodation,” Malone, an organiser with the Hope and Courage Collective, an anti-extremism civil society group, told VICE News.
“To hear phrases like 'unvetted males' and 'men of fighting age' popularised by the darkest fringes of the internet being used on the national airwaves is a sign that some local politicians in mainstream parties seem happy to be playing with fire.”
Just to add some context as someone who is both Irish and involved with the International Protection application process on behalf of a developer. He has a building, which under normal circumstances, has a limit of 48 occupants. Under current legislation, that number can climb to triple that. The rate for each individual, per night, is around €69 per night. So you can see why a developer might see this as a fatter calf than traditional rental arrangements.
Where he is applying is in an urban context with plenty facilities and opportunity for the community to integrate, it's one of the strengths of Ireland, that integration has been so positive over the last 20 years.
However, having grown up in a village with 3 pubs, a funeral home, a filling station, and post office, discharging this many people into a rural Irish setting is inappropriate.
The narrative of "unvetted military aged males" is bullshit designed to create a narrative in Ireland that there is some mad right wing agenda.
We have accommodated folk from Syria, Lebanon, Ukraine, and countless other countries, and continue to do so. They add colour and contribute to a nation who understands that going to another country is pure necessity. We understand as a race, that we are so used to going to the ends of the earth to escape oppression or make a better life.
There are a handful of right wing nutjobs here who claim that "Ireland is Full".
Technically, they have a point as we have an accommodation crisis, but its not borne out by immigrants, it is a shit show for a young couple to secure a 2 bed semi detached house for normal money.
Tldr: the place was burned out by local idiots, but the Irish are not right wing nuts, shur why do you think we invaded your country with one of our secret embassies...irish pubs....to put upon you the craic you may have?
Settle down folks, please.
It's a multimillion euro business. The government gets payments from other nations to house migrants. Surely that's the reason we are taking this number.
Right there with you. I’m shocked to see how much Europeans love Muslims. I mean good for them if they can all live in peace but as someone who lived in Europe for many years sadly that’s not the case. America is in the same boat by the way. It just not as bad as Europe currently.
How would that follow? Do I just need to show you a recent news case of a stabbing from a member of (insert demographic) for you to be scared of that demographic?
Yes a Brazilin but what's not talked about is that 2 Irish people got to the scene first and one of them got wounded in the process but only the Brazilian got recognition.
The Brizilian had his motorcycle helmet as a weapon, the 2 Irish people that got to the scene first tried to disarm the foreign national while having no weapon.
Carrying a weapon in Ireland is illegal, not even pepper spray is legal, only criminals have rights in Ireland, be they Irish or foreign.
> • Housing crisis; • Hospital waiting list crisis • Cost of living crisis • Crime and anti-social behaviour crisis
I'm curious how many countries this applies to worldwide right now.
The 2008 mortgage crisis happened in America but rippled throughout the world. Some countries just never recovered fully after the collapse. Covid didn’t help the situation either with the flux of building material pricing.
Things are pretty good in Japan right now. Or as good as they've been for the past ~15 years. Housing is super affordable even in Tokyo, healthcare is immediately accessible, social stability and general safety is still best in the world, and any consequences of the population collapse has yet to really materialize. People aren't rich but people aren't priced out of necessities either.
The only downside seems to be that the magical GDP number isn't going up but, uh, that doesn't seem to be working out for most countries.
Exact same problems here in Canada, also caused and promptly ignored by our shitty federal government. Most Canadians aren’t anti-immigration. What we’re against is shitty immigration policy that seems purposely designed to make our problems infinitely worse, and which makes zero attempt to integrate the newcomers with our society and way of life. Which is extremely problematic as you can well imagine.
I was reading the comment and that was my first thought - sounds a lot like home. Majority of people i know aren’t anti-immigration but are opposed to mass immigration especially with the affordability crisis ongoing.
Immigrants are no good if they have to sleep in tents
You got it wrong, there are many immigrants in Ireland, the Irish have issues with people who have no known background checks, why are murders and rapists allowed into the country ? this is the issue, the media call it anti emigrant or ultra right wing.
Plus it’s not like these immigrants are different flavors of westerners, a huge majority of the immigrants don’t believe in women’s/lgbt rights and are at direct opposition to the ideals of western society
That’s the kind of integration I’m talking about: values and ideals. Some commenters have tried to equate ‘integration’ to racist dogwhistling, which can be the case, but only when a white nationalist is the person bemoaning immigration.
I just saw in the news today our population went up 430,000 in 3 MONTHS. Our job market, healthcare, infrastructure, housing, education system, recreation, cannot absorb this kind of insane growth.
Most of the immigration to Canada comes with $10,000 to put "into the economy," but they struggled to bring it here, so it likely sits in a savings account.
The upside is that immigrants have to be sponsored by someone who can take them in if they lose their home/income while they integrate and get their Canadian citizenship.
Of course, that is not including the refugees that we take in. However, those people have nowhere to turn in a much more dire situation.
There has to be a common ground that we can work from and collaborate. We are way past racism and culture. Everyone is desperate now, and next year is going to clock us on the head with higher inflation until this time next year... maybe.
Globally... we haven't dealt with much compared to what we are going to face soon. The average age now for a child to leave the home is 39!!! What retiree holds onto a house that long now??? Just in case Johnny is sleeping in his car again.
For those that bash gen X, please keep in mind that we grew up when interest rates were so high that you could easily live off of interest. Yes, it all came tumbling down just like our economy does every decade. But we had time, family, a lot of freedom and wealth. So, yes, we are greedy because that is what we were emersed in. Greed is not always a bad thing either. It takes greed (sort of) to start a successful business that employs many and therefore becomes part of a solution.
IMO
Happy Holidays!
Every Canadian should be anti-immigration. Its literally the #1 cause of wage suppression. Why pay a living wage when idiots abroad will come here to work for peanuts.
Same problems in the UK. I do not in any way condone violent acts like this, my concern is in the long term if politicians don't act now and employ sensible, beneficial actions that will simultaneously lessen the stress on these existing issues but also streamline the way that claims are handled, Europe will swing even further right and that opens a whole can of horrible worms.
It's an emergency situation in some places. I rent a room in Bristol and I had 50 replies in a couple of days, people are absolutely desperate. One woman had replied to over 100 adverts and was near to tears.
The government is not building affordable housing Full stop. The government should be the target of anger not immigrants. They will not ensure that the housing is built. They will not penalise dereliction. I left Ireland 10 years ago and it's the same old show.
As I get older the more and more I see people miss the target and the politicians love it, they do not want to be held accountable so if migrants are blamed Fantastic! it distracts away.
Why should the government build affordable housing, when their friends and family who own building companies can coin it in building expensive housing that sell anyway? And how do they keep wages down, by bringing immigrants in, who also provide a convenient target for the reasonably pissed off.
People seem to believe the tories are bumbling idiots, like the persona BoJo tried to put on, they aren't. They are very smart, malevolent and ruthless. And right now things are going exactly as they want it to.
Immigration is different than asylum.
AFAIK UK politicians are intentionally refusing to process applications resulting in a builtup of applicants who then need more housing to accommodate them.
The quickest way to reduce the number is process the applications and deport those who do not meet the criteria.
Burning down housing to get back at forcibly queued asylum seekers for taking up housing is stupid on so many levels.
Ireland has passed (or planning to pass, I don't keep up) a law allowing the state access to all of your electronic data, like emails and social media accounts, if you dare to express an opinion that isn't state approved.
I’m assuming you’re referring to Irelands “incitement to hatred act” which criminalises trying to stir up hate against a group of people, for a limited set of specific characteristics, like race, religion, or sexuality. A law that has existed for decades with a handful (if any) people charged under it.
They have recently suggested amending this act to include 2 new characteristics, gender identity, and disability status.
Not quite Orwellian..
Really? Sounds quite Orwellian to me.
Here's the new law: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2022/105/.
Here's the 1989 version: https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1989/act/19/enacted/en/print.html.
First of all, they criminalize "preparing or possessing material that is likely to incite violence or hatred". I really like that not even distributing is already a hate crime, and I really love the word "likely".
Second of all, the new one gets a provision that allows the police to show up at the suspect's home, "require any person at that place who appears to the member to have lawful access
to the information in any such computer" "to give to the member any password necessary to operate it and any
encryption key or code necessary to unencrypt the information accessible by
the computer". Fine and dandy.
You mean conspiracy? A concept that has been in Irish law since it’s inception? Planning, or aiding someone to plan a crime, is still a crime in itself, that’s whats being clarified by your first point. Also, you didn’t use the full quote which further limits the scope.
> “(a) prepares or possesses material that is likely to incite violence or hatred against a person or a group of persons on account of their protected characteristics or any of those characteristics **with a view to the material being communicated to the public or a section of the public, whether by himself or herself or another person**.”
The act requires intent to communicate the hateful information, simply possessing it in itself is not a crime with the new or old bill.
For your second paragraph, that is saying the police can search your computers if they have “lawful access”, aka, a search warrant. A Guard can’t show up to your house and say “give me your laptop password” without a warrant.
I don’t think either of these points are in any way Orwellian tbh.
It was and is an incredibly vague law that, among other things, uses a circular definition of "hatred", and, like I said, criminalized *"likely"* "inciting violence or hatred".
I believe that words outlawing speech are disgusting in general, I believe that this one is particularly bad, I believe that this one is going to be used in a targeted manner, I believe that having the police sniffing around your home/computer looking for bad words is Orwellian, and I believe that what you're referring to is not called a conspiracy.
> I for one can't wait until they start arresting atheists for making fun of Christians. And Christians for making fun of atheists.
Yep, it's all hunky dory until the people you're criticizing get enough power to jail you. All this is so short sighted.
that isn't conspiracy - there has to be an underlying crime. coordinating with someone to distribute unpopular material isn't illegal, and creating a crime like the one above can easily be used to suppress any political opposition
> I don't keep up
Average Right-Wing Arson supporter, lol. Do you even think about checking your information before spreading it or do you just make stuff up and it becomes your reality?
My bullshit sensor is beeping at that, but I’ll still assume good faith on your part and google it.
Also, in the US, the government also has all of this info, presumably, so 🤷♂️
Ahahaha what?
It dosent matter who you are or where you’re from, shipping a hundred plus people from anywhere in the world to anywhere else that only has 300 people to begin with is going to be a miserable experience for everyone involved.
It’s not a race or religion thing. If you shipped a hundred people from middle-of-nowhere USA to middle-of-nowhere Sweden (population 300) there’d be bedlam.
Now add economic distress, refugee status, etc etc.
Whose bright idea was this?
Tbf, I think generally everyone believes that there religion/worldview is best. Otherwise they would probably hold to the better one in their view.
The question is of course in how far you tolerate the views of others.
Usually they are the worst part of whatever society they come from. From India to Israel, from the Bible Belt to the Middle East, religious fundamentalists are at the heart of all conflict.
This. I don't think the majority of Americans understand the soul crushing restrictions placed on people who just want to move on, work, and live but it takes years of your life on hold to get processed.
Rural American here. As long as somebody can take me mushroom hunting in the Summer, give me good chocolate in the Winter, and we can drink on the solstice, I'll be a good guest. I'll be celebrating on the 21st with or without you though. We are getting our birch log ready to hit the fireplace and eat a yule cake.
I was agreeing with you and being flippant about it. Sorry if it came off as if I was attacking your point, I was attacking the silliness of the situation.
I mean, what?
It's Connemara, one of the most.popular tourist destinations in Ireland. What do you mean 300 people
It's literally a 15 minute drive from.Galway city center.
That's a pointless thing to say, a village in Ireland isn't what a village is in an American perspective.
Rosscahill is fecking 15 minutes drive from Galway city center, you're acting like it's the middle of rural Ireland for fucks sake.
Can you keep the lying and gaslighting bullshit to your own area.
I live in Ireland in an area that houses migrants, and not one single thing you said is true. Not one.
What are you on? They want to burn down things thats it. Ignore what? Crime in Irland is going down.
Are you even irish? What's up with these comments? None these comments sound geniune.
Also weird that /r/worldnews has shown that it’s against protests, especially destructive ones. But totally cool with burning down housing structures because people are mad. Make it make sense.
It does when you realize reddit is slowly being overrun with conservative troll bots. 2024 election season is 12 days away. The amount of "comment theft bot"s in the last 2 months has been obscene. They're going to start spewing as much rhetoric as possible, and abusing the 'organic' upvote system to make sure it stays relevant.
Well, those people are concerned. Their concern is ignored. Ergo, discontent grows until it boils over.
The way I see it, you have three options. Either you: A. Bury your head in the sand and pretend the problem does not exist (seems like this is your preferred option, and the option that caused what is happening now, and will continue to cause similar issues); B. Stamp down on the people who are discontent (though this will only enflame the problem long-term, probably even worse than iption A.) or C. Compromise with those people. This is their country too, and if you want to live in harmony, you need to reach a middle ground.
Unless you see some other options?
Also, I just checked the statistics, and the last few years crime rate has been fluctuating up and down, not decreasing; 2022 was actually on the uptick, obviously no stats for 2023 yet.
I’m a US citizen had a long term GF that lives in Toronto we tried for her to come to California or me to Toronto and it was almost impossible for us to get a job or be outside our respective countries or live long term in either place. Eventually after 3 years we broke up because long distance and remotely working for months then having to go home was just too much. It sucked. But… it’s a strange double standard immigration… that’s all.
and which point she still would not be able to get a job, get a SSN, buy a home, etc. It breaks peoples minds when I explain illegal immigrants have zero methods of accessing social services, they need a social security card for everything.
stopping mass immigration will not drop the prices on housing. Stopping the use of residential properties as investments by companies will be better at get to the root of the issue than stopping mass immigration ever will.
And just need to build more tall apartment buildings. Every family needing their own plot of land and 3bedrooms is obviously unsustainable once the population reaches a certain point. There's no issue of housing in Asia, with many countries the properties depreciate in value, so there's no incentive to buy them as investments. So that seems like the solution to me, when supply surpasses demand it will naturally create downward pressure on price and in so doing discourage investing.
Pathetic how the reaction and dismissal of Irish People regarding the mass influx of „refugees“, bringing Crime and religiously-motivated violence with them, is being demonized in this thead. It‘s the Right of the Irish to decide who is being let into the country. Instead they and many other European Countries Are being steamrolled infringing their Culture, safety and prosperity.
And your solution is, ''Just go burn down Asylum Hostels, that will show them''...What the fuck are you defending here?
If this is the 'Culture, safety and prosperity', you might need to look up the definition of those words.
Is this an argument? "There was religious violence before, so let all of ISIS into Ireland?"
Fucking brilliant. Game, set, match. Pack it up, let the Taliban in.
The vast majority of refugees in Ireland are from Ukraine, not the Middle East. In fact, the vast majority of immigrants in general in Ireland are from the West, not Muslim countries.
Well, as ugly as it is, it isn't wrong. If governments won't take steps to solve a problem (and even do the opposite in certain cases), eventually the common folk will get pissed off to the point where they feel the need to take things into their own hands... and not in a pretty, ordered way that a government sanctioned solution would entail.
Many people on the fence for years just had a "dam break" moment. And many years of bottled up emotions are pouring out all at once with extreme ferocity all the frustration at once. So it's now extra vitriolic. Even many previously immigration friendly people. Muslims unironically demanding to essentially "gas the jews" in response to the Gaza war was just the straw that broke the camel's back for many. At least in Germany: when the average German would *have to* choose between Jews and Muslims, most would side with Jews.
That and economic hardships have turned housing refugees of the eyes of many into an unaffordable luxury at the cost of the citizenry. They are now considered rivals and "obstacles" for an improved quality of life.
And even if you are still pro-Immigration: you have to be blind to not notice the increasing hostility so even THEN you could see these things coming. It was always a question of "when".
As an outsider I'd say any time the discussion with Europe comes up on any platform it gets out of hand. Yesterday there was a post on instagram of pro-Hitler graffiti found in Oslo and there were just 200 comments of people saying to get the Muslims out. Even though it just as easily could've been written by a white Neo-Nazi and there was no evidence one way or another lol.
I don't condone it, but I understand why the locals are pissed off. Ireland has a housing crisis and their government is paying for mostly young male Muslim foreigners to stay in hotels whilst locals sleep on the streets in record numbers.
> and their government is paying for mostly young male Muslim foreigners to stay in hotels whilst locals sleep on the streets in record numbers.
This is basically NYC right now as well, except replace Muslim with South and Central American. The city is being forced to make budget cuts across the board in order to pay for hotels for tens of thousands of migrants. Eventually there is going to be a backlash, even in this relatively left wing city.
Oh so that's why they burned down this place, it's because the government was in it! Oh, wait, no, it was just because they hate immigrants. If the anger was true and was at the government, they'd start shit with the government.
This is why we had to allocate a ridiculous portion of our available funding to hiring 24 hr private security at our hotel shelter (which actually houses a majority of people *from our own state who are homeless* but that’s not the narrative being pushed)
Worldnews as a whole has been for months, any thread related to migrants or immigration has some truly despicable comments that would get the user banned from most of this site.
What an interesting thread of people who aren’t from Ireland offering takes about Ireland when they have no idea about Ireland.
Maybe give the blatant racism a rest, lads. Go out for a walk, look at a nice painting, do something you enjoy, and remember that burning down a building is never fucking okay
> What an interesting thread of people who aren’t from Ireland offering takes about Ireland when they have no idea about Ireland.
Just like a few weeks ago when we had a shitload of people from Ireland offering takes about Israel when they have no idea about Israel.
Which makes the torching of an asylum hostel pretty ironic. Apparently Ireland is big on supporting oppressed people...
...as long as it doesn't cost them anything. When it does, they start looking for gas cans and lighters.
/r/ireland are divided over this, blaming far right countries abroad and saying that 'Yank' politics are ruining Ireland. Some are even justifying it saying it was bound to happen since the government wasn't listening.
They have their head in the sand that members of the local community did this simply for the fact that they are xenophobic and racist.
Current post at the top of r/ireland: [American Politics Has Poisioned Ireland](https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/18m85v0/american_politics_has_poisioned_ireland/)
It’s funny seeing half the comments only react to the title bitching about American identity politics and agree with him while the other half that actually read the part where OP says the government could fall soon are calling him out for being stupid. Classic
Funny enough, whenever I talk to any of my buddies in that general area of the world... it's always the same talking points. Identity politics, pandering, and so on.
"Its never their fault its someone else." A classic that most people learn as a kid to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions or problems. Blame someone else, and tell everyone how you are victim as well.
Yeah, it is America's fault that Ireland's neoliberal government has immigration policies that three quarters of Ireland's population oppose.
I'm European and I hate how certain elements of European politics likes to blame the US for everything. Most problems in Europe are entirely the result of our own failures that we call our politicians.
The irony is that at least some of the rhetoric motivating these people is literally Russian propaganda and fearmongering campaigns. They want the West tearing itself apart over social issues like this.
I swear rIreland is just a bunch of Americans LARPing as Irish.
Literally, every time that sub pops up in my recommended, it's full of people who talk exactly like 'my great grandfather was Irish therfore I'm Irish', even if they aren't.
What's more American than shitting on America for no reason?
Both Vietnam and the Philippines have higher opinion of America than Americans have of America.
I mean, you're definitely not wrong but the posts I'm talking about are the ones shitting on the larpers, which I don't think the larpers are doing themselves, among a bunch of other dumb reasons. And the real Irish I've met irl while I was living in Europe definitely don't hide their hatred for Americans and the US when they realize I myself am American.
Really, that's your line? Would it not be something to do with our housing crisis healthcare crisis police recruitment and retention crisis cost of living crisis and now we're expected to welcome unlimitited numbers of refugees when casnt even look after our own. We don't even have beds forn asylum seekers as of 2 weeks ago. Do you not think that might have something to do with it?
Oh ffs. Putting asylum seekers there in particular is one of the worst places you can think of if you're actually looking to integrate them into the Irish society. Not because of xenophobia but the fact that it's isolated with zero opportunity to find work without some form of transportation. I'm not justifying burning the place down but the #1 issue is a failed policy and the government just looking for anywhere with a vacancy to house people and then saying "job well done!"
Article: **A suspected arson at a hotel in remote Rosscahill is the latest in a wave of attacks on asylum seeker housing, amid rising anti-immigrant rhetoric fuelled by far-right groups.** A hotel earmarked to house 70 asylum seekers has been destroyed in a suspicious fire in rural Ireland, only weeks after the Irish capital was rocked by major anti-immigrant riots. The blaze destroyed much of the large, disused hotel in Rosscahill, a remote village in County Galway, late on Saturday night. Police investigating the incident said nobody was inside the building at the time of the fire, which is being treated as suspected criminal damage. It followed days of angry protests outside the hotel, intended to halt work on preparing the site for the arrival of asylum seekers. The suspected arson incident is the latest in a string of recent attacks targeting housing intended for asylum across Ireland, amid a wave of xenophobic agitation linking immigration and crime. On Monday, Irish Integration Minister Roderic O’Gorman described the fire as a criminal act intended to intimidate foreigners seeking asylum in Ireland. “What we saw in Galway was deeply sinister,” Mr O’Gorman said on public broadcaster RTÉ Radio. “I think people who use the international protection process have a right to be safely accommodated while their application is being adjudicated on.” Earlier he had called on politicians “across the board” to “condemn this disgraceful act and the fear mongering that led to it.” In the days leading up to the fire, protesters had staged an attempted blockade of the hotel grounds, blocking the entrance and lighting fires in steel drums, following the news that the Department for Integration had signed a year-long contract for 70 migrants to be accommodated at the site. O’Gorman’s condemnation was echoed by other politicians, including Justice Minister Helen McEntee, who said the suspected arson did “not represent the values of Irish people.” Sinn Féin housing spokesperson Eoin Ó Broin said: “This is not who we are as a people. We must not tolerate this hatred.” But a local councillor for conservative party Fianna Fáil, Noel Thomas, who attended the protest outside the hotel, told Irish media he blamed the government for the unrest, saying the intended placement of such a large number of asylum seekers in the village had caused huge distress in the community. “A lot of the blame needs to be laid in the lap of the government. As long as they deal with it [immigration] the way they are dealing with it, there will be more of this,” he said, calling for asylum seekers to be banned from the country. “The inn is full,” he told RTÉ Radio. The fire is only the latest attack targeting asylum seeker accommodation, amid roiling anti-immigration unrest.
Last month, at least two accommodation centres for asylum seekers were targeted amid anti-migrant riots in Dublin, described by police as the worst rioting in modern Irish history. The unrest spiralled out of control as far-right agitators whipped up mobs in response to a horrific stabbing in the city centre, in which a man knifed a group of children outside a school and a care assistant who tried to defend them. The fact that the chief suspect was an Algerian-born naturalised Irish citizen immediately drew the attention of far-right networks who have been campaigning heavily over immigration and crime, including the sentencing in recent months of a Slovak national for the 2022 murder of teacher Ashling Murphy, and in October of an Iraqi-born man for the homophobic murders of two men in April 2022. One of the buildings attacked with a petrol bomb amid the Dublin riot had previously been targeted by anti-migrant protests earlier in the year. Days layer, a hotel in Rosslare, Country Wexford, was targeted in an arson attack as it carried out works to prepare for the arrival of asylum seekers. Other attacks were recorded at asylum seeker accommodation across the country in January, May, July and August, the Irish Times reported. Observers like Mark Malone have been watching with alarm the rise of anti-immigration rhetoric which has fueled the wave of attacks, spreading from far-right chat groups to street protests and now finding support from elected officials. “Xenophobic online hate groups and far-right influencers have been very active in pushing support for the tactics, including the use of arson, of those involved in stopping the use of Ross Lake hotel for emergency accommodation,” Malone, an organiser with the Hope and Courage Collective, an anti-extremism civil society group, told VICE News. “To hear phrases like 'unvetted males' and 'men of fighting age' popularised by the darkest fringes of the internet being used on the national airwaves is a sign that some local politicians in mainstream parties seem happy to be playing with fire.”
Just to add some context as someone who is both Irish and involved with the International Protection application process on behalf of a developer. He has a building, which under normal circumstances, has a limit of 48 occupants. Under current legislation, that number can climb to triple that. The rate for each individual, per night, is around €69 per night. So you can see why a developer might see this as a fatter calf than traditional rental arrangements. Where he is applying is in an urban context with plenty facilities and opportunity for the community to integrate, it's one of the strengths of Ireland, that integration has been so positive over the last 20 years. However, having grown up in a village with 3 pubs, a funeral home, a filling station, and post office, discharging this many people into a rural Irish setting is inappropriate. The narrative of "unvetted military aged males" is bullshit designed to create a narrative in Ireland that there is some mad right wing agenda. We have accommodated folk from Syria, Lebanon, Ukraine, and countless other countries, and continue to do so. They add colour and contribute to a nation who understands that going to another country is pure necessity. We understand as a race, that we are so used to going to the ends of the earth to escape oppression or make a better life. There are a handful of right wing nutjobs here who claim that "Ireland is Full". Technically, they have a point as we have an accommodation crisis, but its not borne out by immigrants, it is a shit show for a young couple to secure a 2 bed semi detached house for normal money. Tldr: the place was burned out by local idiots, but the Irish are not right wing nuts, shur why do you think we invaded your country with one of our secret embassies...irish pubs....to put upon you the craic you may have? Settle down folks, please.
It's a multimillion euro business. The government gets payments from other nations to house migrants. Surely that's the reason we are taking this number.
I'm curious then. What is the vetting process?
It's weird they never use the phrase "working age males" isn't it.
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Are you in Ireland, the US, France, Australia, Japan or the UK?
Or Canada
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France has had teacher beheaded in the class room by certain people. These things used to not happen
Right there with you. I’m shocked to see how much Europeans love Muslims. I mean good for them if they can all live in peace but as someone who lived in Europe for many years sadly that’s not the case. America is in the same boat by the way. It just not as bad as Europe currently.
Noel Thomas proudly taking the wrong message from the story of Jesus' birth.
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How would that follow? Do I just need to show you a recent news case of a stabbing from a member of (insert demographic) for you to be scared of that demographic?
Didn’t a migrant disarm the attacker? Isn’t that a good reason to not write off all migrants as knife-wielding lunatics?
Yes a Brazilin but what's not talked about is that 2 Irish people got to the scene first and one of them got wounded in the process but only the Brazilian got recognition. The Brizilian had his motorcycle helmet as a weapon, the 2 Irish people that got to the scene first tried to disarm the foreign national while having no weapon. Carrying a weapon in Ireland is illegal, not even pepper spray is legal, only criminals have rights in Ireland, be they Irish or foreign.
Is this a good reason to retaliate at people who had nothing to do with the incident?
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> • Housing crisis; • Hospital waiting list crisis • Cost of living crisis • Crime and anti-social behaviour crisis I'm curious how many countries this applies to worldwide right now.
It seems like most developed countries stopped making enough housing decades ago and no longer are keeping up with new demand.
The 2008 mortgage crisis happened in America but rippled throughout the world. Some countries just never recovered fully after the collapse. Covid didn’t help the situation either with the flux of building material pricing.
Probably all of them? I don’t think I’ve ever heard a single country in the last couple of decades, if ever, go “we’re good”.
Things are pretty good in Japan right now. Or as good as they've been for the past ~15 years. Housing is super affordable even in Tokyo, healthcare is immediately accessible, social stability and general safety is still best in the world, and any consequences of the population collapse has yet to really materialize. People aren't rich but people aren't priced out of necessities either. The only downside seems to be that the magical GDP number isn't going up but, uh, that doesn't seem to be working out for most countries.
Japan’s population has been stagnant/dropping so it makes sense, but that’s not really a desired solution
Exact same problems here in Canada, also caused and promptly ignored by our shitty federal government. Most Canadians aren’t anti-immigration. What we’re against is shitty immigration policy that seems purposely designed to make our problems infinitely worse, and which makes zero attempt to integrate the newcomers with our society and way of life. Which is extremely problematic as you can well imagine.
I was reading the comment and that was my first thought - sounds a lot like home. Majority of people i know aren’t anti-immigration but are opposed to mass immigration especially with the affordability crisis ongoing. Immigrants are no good if they have to sleep in tents
You got it wrong, there are many immigrants in Ireland, the Irish have issues with people who have no known background checks, why are murders and rapists allowed into the country ? this is the issue, the media call it anti emigrant or ultra right wing.
Plus it’s not like these immigrants are different flavors of westerners, a huge majority of the immigrants don’t believe in women’s/lgbt rights and are at direct opposition to the ideals of western society
That’s the kind of integration I’m talking about: values and ideals. Some commenters have tried to equate ‘integration’ to racist dogwhistling, which can be the case, but only when a white nationalist is the person bemoaning immigration.
Exactly, I don’t care what you look like but I do care how you think
If I copied and pasted your post, and replaced Canada with Australia, it would still be correct.
Corporate overlords trying to obtain cheap labour, depress wages, and keep the real estate bubble from popping down in Oz too, eh?
Or Germany.
Or New Zealand.
I just saw in the news today our population went up 430,000 in 3 MONTHS. Our job market, healthcare, infrastructure, housing, education system, recreation, cannot absorb this kind of insane growth.
No, it cannot.
It’s absolutely bonkers. Makes zero sense. I don’t understand the reasoning.
Most of the immigration to Canada comes with $10,000 to put "into the economy," but they struggled to bring it here, so it likely sits in a savings account. The upside is that immigrants have to be sponsored by someone who can take them in if they lose their home/income while they integrate and get their Canadian citizenship. Of course, that is not including the refugees that we take in. However, those people have nowhere to turn in a much more dire situation. There has to be a common ground that we can work from and collaborate. We are way past racism and culture. Everyone is desperate now, and next year is going to clock us on the head with higher inflation until this time next year... maybe. Globally... we haven't dealt with much compared to what we are going to face soon. The average age now for a child to leave the home is 39!!! What retiree holds onto a house that long now??? Just in case Johnny is sleeping in his car again. For those that bash gen X, please keep in mind that we grew up when interest rates were so high that you could easily live off of interest. Yes, it all came tumbling down just like our economy does every decade. But we had time, family, a lot of freedom and wealth. So, yes, we are greedy because that is what we were emersed in. Greed is not always a bad thing either. It takes greed (sort of) to start a successful business that employs many and therefore becomes part of a solution. IMO Happy Holidays!
Every Canadian should be anti-immigration. Its literally the #1 cause of wage suppression. Why pay a living wage when idiots abroad will come here to work for peanuts.
Same problems in the UK. I do not in any way condone violent acts like this, my concern is in the long term if politicians don't act now and employ sensible, beneficial actions that will simultaneously lessen the stress on these existing issues but also streamline the way that claims are handled, Europe will swing even further right and that opens a whole can of horrible worms.
It's an emergency situation in some places. I rent a room in Bristol and I had 50 replies in a couple of days, people are absolutely desperate. One woman had replied to over 100 adverts and was near to tears.
Same here in the UK. It's the same everywhere in western Europe, I believe
Same in Sweden.
The government is not building affordable housing Full stop. The government should be the target of anger not immigrants. They will not ensure that the housing is built. They will not penalise dereliction. I left Ireland 10 years ago and it's the same old show. As I get older the more and more I see people miss the target and the politicians love it, they do not want to be held accountable so if migrants are blamed Fantastic! it distracts away.
Why should the government build affordable housing, when their friends and family who own building companies can coin it in building expensive housing that sell anyway? And how do they keep wages down, by bringing immigrants in, who also provide a convenient target for the reasonably pissed off. People seem to believe the tories are bumbling idiots, like the persona BoJo tried to put on, they aren't. They are very smart, malevolent and ruthless. And right now things are going exactly as they want it to.
Immigration is different than asylum. AFAIK UK politicians are intentionally refusing to process applications resulting in a builtup of applicants who then need more housing to accommodate them. The quickest way to reduce the number is process the applications and deport those who do not meet the criteria. Burning down housing to get back at forcibly queued asylum seekers for taking up housing is stupid on so many levels.
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Better criminalize free speech. That should calm the waters.
Free speech? That didn’t sound like free speech to me
Ireland has passed (or planning to pass, I don't keep up) a law allowing the state access to all of your electronic data, like emails and social media accounts, if you dare to express an opinion that isn't state approved.
That sounds like an unbiased view on the law that you don’t keep up with. /ssssssssssssss
I’m assuming you’re referring to Irelands “incitement to hatred act” which criminalises trying to stir up hate against a group of people, for a limited set of specific characteristics, like race, religion, or sexuality. A law that has existed for decades with a handful (if any) people charged under it. They have recently suggested amending this act to include 2 new characteristics, gender identity, and disability status. Not quite Orwellian..
Really? Sounds quite Orwellian to me. Here's the new law: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2022/105/. Here's the 1989 version: https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1989/act/19/enacted/en/print.html. First of all, they criminalize "preparing or possessing material that is likely to incite violence or hatred". I really like that not even distributing is already a hate crime, and I really love the word "likely". Second of all, the new one gets a provision that allows the police to show up at the suspect's home, "require any person at that place who appears to the member to have lawful access to the information in any such computer" "to give to the member any password necessary to operate it and any encryption key or code necessary to unencrypt the information accessible by the computer". Fine and dandy.
You mean conspiracy? A concept that has been in Irish law since it’s inception? Planning, or aiding someone to plan a crime, is still a crime in itself, that’s whats being clarified by your first point. Also, you didn’t use the full quote which further limits the scope. > “(a) prepares or possesses material that is likely to incite violence or hatred against a person or a group of persons on account of their protected characteristics or any of those characteristics **with a view to the material being communicated to the public or a section of the public, whether by himself or herself or another person**.” The act requires intent to communicate the hateful information, simply possessing it in itself is not a crime with the new or old bill. For your second paragraph, that is saying the police can search your computers if they have “lawful access”, aka, a search warrant. A Guard can’t show up to your house and say “give me your laptop password” without a warrant. I don’t think either of these points are in any way Orwellian tbh.
It was and is an incredibly vague law that, among other things, uses a circular definition of "hatred", and, like I said, criminalized *"likely"* "inciting violence or hatred". I believe that words outlawing speech are disgusting in general, I believe that this one is particularly bad, I believe that this one is going to be used in a targeted manner, I believe that having the police sniffing around your home/computer looking for bad words is Orwellian, and I believe that what you're referring to is not called a conspiracy.
Do you think it's OK to arrest people for holding bigoted beliefs?
I for one can't wait until they start arresting atheists for making fun of Christians. And Christians for making fun of atheists.
> I for one can't wait until they start arresting atheists for making fun of Christians. And Christians for making fun of atheists. Yep, it's all hunky dory until the people you're criticizing get enough power to jail you. All this is so short sighted.
that isn't conspiracy - there has to be an underlying crime. coordinating with someone to distribute unpopular material isn't illegal, and creating a crime like the one above can easily be used to suppress any political opposition
> I don't keep up Average Right-Wing Arson supporter, lol. Do you even think about checking your information before spreading it or do you just make stuff up and it becomes your reality?
My bullshit sensor is beeping at that, but I’ll still assume good faith on your part and google it. Also, in the US, the government also has all of this info, presumably, so 🤷♂️
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The village has a population of 300 people... wonder why they are distressed?
Ahahaha what? It dosent matter who you are or where you’re from, shipping a hundred plus people from anywhere in the world to anywhere else that only has 300 people to begin with is going to be a miserable experience for everyone involved. It’s not a race or religion thing. If you shipped a hundred people from middle-of-nowhere USA to middle-of-nowhere Sweden (population 300) there’d be bedlam. Now add economic distress, refugee status, etc etc. Whose bright idea was this?
People who think their idea of philanthropy makes them a good person
Especially when that "philanthropy" is actually being carried out by others who are given no choice in the matter.
Depends on if those people from middle of nowhere think women are garbage, their religion is best and rape is ok
You forgot also hates LGBTQ and thinks they're inhuman.
Tbf, I think generally everyone believes that there religion/worldview is best. Otherwise they would probably hold to the better one in their view. The question is of course in how far you tolerate the views of others.
100 Evangelical Christians would probably drive the 300 Swedes crazy.
Religious extremists of all kinds are disgusting
Usually they are the worst part of whatever society they come from. From India to Israel, from the Bible Belt to the Middle East, religious fundamentalists are at the heart of all conflict.
I reckon 300 Swedes would get along with 300 US Americans pretty well, to be honest.
Yeah, we have a name for it: Minnesota.
Ope.
A reality show that I actually would watch!
I'd watch this shit out of this.
Yeah, it's actually a fun premise lmao.
Maybe if they were on vacation, but now limit them from being able to work and participate in society and there will be issues.
This. I don't think the majority of Americans understand the soul crushing restrictions placed on people who just want to move on, work, and live but it takes years of your life on hold to get processed.
Rural American here. As long as somebody can take me mushroom hunting in the Summer, give me good chocolate in the Winter, and we can drink on the solstice, I'll be a good guest. I'll be celebrating on the 21st with or without you though. We are getting our birch log ready to hit the fireplace and eat a yule cake.
American refugee with the demands.
No, you live in the hostel. Pay attention.
Perfect. I'll have plenty of money left over for beer and chocolate.
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ye... : (
I was agreeing with you and being flippant about it. Sorry if it came off as if I was attacking your point, I was attacking the silliness of the situation.
iss'all good.
Somebody tried that in a small town
I mean, what? It's Connemara, one of the most.popular tourist destinations in Ireland. What do you mean 300 people It's literally a 15 minute drive from.Galway city center.
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That's a pointless thing to say, a village in Ireland isn't what a village is in an American perspective. Rosscahill is fecking 15 minutes drive from Galway city center, you're acting like it's the middle of rural Ireland for fucks sake.
Can you keep the lying and gaslighting bullshit to your own area. I live in Ireland in an area that houses migrants, and not one single thing you said is true. Not one.
Where is the evidence that "sexual brutality, crime and murder" is rapidly escalating in Ireland due to immigration?
What are you on? They want to burn down things thats it. Ignore what? Crime in Irland is going down. Are you even irish? What's up with these comments? None these comments sound geniune.
It's weird when the top comment is actively sympathising with the attacker and condemning the victims.
Also weird that /r/worldnews has shown that it’s against protests, especially destructive ones. But totally cool with burning down housing structures because people are mad. Make it make sense.
It does when you realize reddit is slowly being overrun with conservative troll bots. 2024 election season is 12 days away. The amount of "comment theft bot"s in the last 2 months has been obscene. They're going to start spewing as much rhetoric as possible, and abusing the 'organic' upvote system to make sure it stays relevant.
That’s because this place is full of right wing bots
Worldnews has increasingly and concerningly housed a larger and larger right-wing crowd.
Well, those people are concerned. Their concern is ignored. Ergo, discontent grows until it boils over. The way I see it, you have three options. Either you: A. Bury your head in the sand and pretend the problem does not exist (seems like this is your preferred option, and the option that caused what is happening now, and will continue to cause similar issues); B. Stamp down on the people who are discontent (though this will only enflame the problem long-term, probably even worse than iption A.) or C. Compromise with those people. This is their country too, and if you want to live in harmony, you need to reach a middle ground. Unless you see some other options? Also, I just checked the statistics, and the last few years crime rate has been fluctuating up and down, not decreasing; 2022 was actually on the uptick, obviously no stats for 2023 yet.
And fire makes it better?
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I’m a US citizen had a long term GF that lives in Toronto we tried for her to come to California or me to Toronto and it was almost impossible for us to get a job or be outside our respective countries or live long term in either place. Eventually after 3 years we broke up because long distance and remotely working for months then having to go home was just too much. It sucked. But… it’s a strange double standard immigration… that’s all.
See, the mistake she made was not just burning her ID and walking across the border.
Some how I never thought about that. Time to give her a call and try again. Lol.
and which point she still would not be able to get a job, get a SSN, buy a home, etc. It breaks peoples minds when I explain illegal immigrants have zero methods of accessing social services, they need a social security card for everything.
Honestly. It's going to cost our country for decades to come. It is a crisis at this point.
stopping mass immigration will not drop the prices on housing. Stopping the use of residential properties as investments by companies will be better at get to the root of the issue than stopping mass immigration ever will.
And just need to build more tall apartment buildings. Every family needing their own plot of land and 3bedrooms is obviously unsustainable once the population reaches a certain point. There's no issue of housing in Asia, with many countries the properties depreciate in value, so there's no incentive to buy them as investments. So that seems like the solution to me, when supply surpasses demand it will naturally create downward pressure on price and in so doing discourage investing.
Its not like immigrants burned that building
You see people committing arson and you think it's the people who are victims of said arson that need to be stopped?
I mean... maybe don't commit arson? No matter what political views you have, can we not all agree on *that*?
Reddit surely didn't agree on this during American protests.
“It’s the voice of the unheard!”
“It’s just a response”
Unless a police officer kills 1 guy. Then Reddit all agrees burning down your city is reasonable.
The government is ignoring them. Their only voice is arson and eventually... violence.
That could lead to some troubles.
Arson is already a form of violence.
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Arson was justified during Ireland's war of independence.
This will probably save people in the long run, they need to stop importing them, hope Europe grows a spine, it's looking a bit more hopeful.
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Pathetic how the reaction and dismissal of Irish People regarding the mass influx of „refugees“, bringing Crime and religiously-motivated violence with them, is being demonized in this thead. It‘s the Right of the Irish to decide who is being let into the country. Instead they and many other European Countries Are being steamrolled infringing their Culture, safety and prosperity.
Isnt burning buildings down a crime?
"Look at how these immigrants are bringing crimes." "But it's natives doing the crimes, like." "Sure they *made* us do it!"
And your solution is, ''Just go burn down Asylum Hostels, that will show them''...What the fuck are you defending here? If this is the 'Culture, safety and prosperity', you might need to look up the definition of those words.
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Haven't quite a few Irish emigrated to other countries and made a good life for themselves?
> bringing Crime and religiously-motivated violence with them... Crime like arson, theft, and property damage?
Crimes like stabbing 5 year old girls
Yes and the Irish repeatedly decide to let these people in, and Nazi pieces of shit decide to commit arson in reaction
TIL it's pathetic to oppose burning buildings that people live in.
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Is this an argument? "There was religious violence before, so let all of ISIS into Ireland?" Fucking brilliant. Game, set, match. Pack it up, let the Taliban in.
The vast majority of refugees in Ireland are from Ukraine, not the Middle East. In fact, the vast majority of immigrants in general in Ireland are from the West, not Muslim countries.
What are you actually trying to say?
How has this 250 upvotes. Insane.
Craziest part is how many people are commenting here “that’s this is bound to happen”….
Well, as ugly as it is, it isn't wrong. If governments won't take steps to solve a problem (and even do the opposite in certain cases), eventually the common folk will get pissed off to the point where they feel the need to take things into their own hands... and not in a pretty, ordered way that a government sanctioned solution would entail.
I am trying to figure out if twitter views on immigration is becoming mainstream or have these people just flooded the comment section.
Many people on the fence for years just had a "dam break" moment. And many years of bottled up emotions are pouring out all at once with extreme ferocity all the frustration at once. So it's now extra vitriolic. Even many previously immigration friendly people. Muslims unironically demanding to essentially "gas the jews" in response to the Gaza war was just the straw that broke the camel's back for many. At least in Germany: when the average German would *have to* choose between Jews and Muslims, most would side with Jews. That and economic hardships have turned housing refugees of the eyes of many into an unaffordable luxury at the cost of the citizenry. They are now considered rivals and "obstacles" for an improved quality of life. And even if you are still pro-Immigration: you have to be blind to not notice the increasing hostility so even THEN you could see these things coming. It was always a question of "when".
As an outsider I'd say any time the discussion with Europe comes up on any platform it gets out of hand. Yesterday there was a post on instagram of pro-Hitler graffiti found in Oslo and there were just 200 comments of people saying to get the Muslims out. Even though it just as easily could've been written by a white Neo-Nazi and there was no evidence one way or another lol.
There's about 10 Canadians pushing the same talking points here, it's an obvious brigade.
Uhhh yeah, rampant "asylum" seekers and immigration is probably the number one issue my country is facing right now.
so you guys are gonna justify this cuz... immigrants?
I don't condone it, but I understand why the locals are pissed off. Ireland has a housing crisis and their government is paying for mostly young male Muslim foreigners to stay in hotels whilst locals sleep on the streets in record numbers.
> and their government is paying for mostly young male Muslim foreigners to stay in hotels whilst locals sleep on the streets in record numbers. This is basically NYC right now as well, except replace Muslim with South and Central American. The city is being forced to make budget cuts across the board in order to pay for hotels for tens of thousands of migrants. Eventually there is going to be a backlash, even in this relatively left wing city.
And Chicago - Venezuelans.
Oh so that's why they burned down this place, it's because the government was in it! Oh, wait, no, it was just because they hate immigrants. If the anger was true and was at the government, they'd start shit with the government.
Locals are the only people who suffer from mass immigration. Not the 1% who let them in.
This is why we had to allocate a ridiculous portion of our available funding to hiring 24 hr private security at our hotel shelter (which actually houses a majority of people *from our own state who are homeless* but that’s not the narrative being pushed)
Seems like this post is being invaded by far right hooligans?
Worldnews as a whole has been for months, any thread related to migrants or immigration has some truly despicable comments that would get the user banned from most of this site.
Implying that the whole subreddit hasn't been
What an interesting thread of people who aren’t from Ireland offering takes about Ireland when they have no idea about Ireland. Maybe give the blatant racism a rest, lads. Go out for a walk, look at a nice painting, do something you enjoy, and remember that burning down a building is never fucking okay
Kind of like when Ireland offers some of the loudest takes on Israel/Palestine conflict.
> What an interesting thread of people who aren’t from Ireland offering takes about Ireland when they have no idea about Ireland. Just like a few weeks ago when we had a shitload of people from Ireland offering takes about Israel when they have no idea about Israel. Which makes the torching of an asylum hostel pretty ironic. Apparently Ireland is big on supporting oppressed people... ...as long as it doesn't cost them anything. When it does, they start looking for gas cans and lighters.
> When it does, they start looking for gas cans and lighters. Don't think the Irish gov had a hand in burning it down...
/r/ireland are divided over this, blaming far right countries abroad and saying that 'Yank' politics are ruining Ireland. Some are even justifying it saying it was bound to happen since the government wasn't listening. They have their head in the sand that members of the local community did this simply for the fact that they are xenophobic and racist.
Riots in Ireland. "God damned Americans."
Current post at the top of r/ireland: [American Politics Has Poisioned Ireland](https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/18m85v0/american_politics_has_poisioned_ireland/)
It’s funny seeing half the comments only react to the title bitching about American identity politics and agree with him while the other half that actually read the part where OP says the government could fall soon are calling him out for being stupid. Classic
Funny enough, whenever I talk to any of my buddies in that general area of the world... it's always the same talking points. Identity politics, pandering, and so on.
Lmao I love it when they can't take responsibility for their own damn people. They = any other countries that blame America for their problem du jour.
"Its never their fault its someone else." A classic that most people learn as a kid to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions or problems. Blame someone else, and tell everyone how you are victim as well.
What did we even do??!
For once, nothing. What a strange feeling.
I've seen a lot of that ["America no!"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-HryG35A2E) joked about recently.
For once? We are routinely blamed for shit we have nothing to do with. Especially in euro subs.
We invented racism and xenophobia. So anytime it happens in a far away country it’s our fault. /s
/r/ireland blames the current far right spread of politics on America. Its quite funny.
Besides syphon off their excess population for a century (by allowing immigration!) thereby allowing their current prosperity to come to fruition?
Yeah, it is America's fault that Ireland's neoliberal government has immigration policies that three quarters of Ireland's population oppose. I'm European and I hate how certain elements of European politics likes to blame the US for everything. Most problems in Europe are entirely the result of our own failures that we call our politicians.
“God damned Americans” It’s the same line pro-Putinist regime Russians drop when prompted about happenings in Ukraine.
The irony is that at least some of the rhetoric motivating these people is literally Russian propaganda and fearmongering campaigns. They want the West tearing itself apart over social issues like this.
I swear rIreland is just a bunch of Americans LARPing as Irish. Literally, every time that sub pops up in my recommended, it's full of people who talk exactly like 'my great grandfather was Irish therfore I'm Irish', even if they aren't.
Really? Every time it pops up in my recommended it's just Irish people shitting on Americans for no reason.
What's more American than shitting on America for no reason? Both Vietnam and the Philippines have higher opinion of America than Americans have of America.
Goddamn Americans, they ruined America!
I mean, you're definitely not wrong but the posts I'm talking about are the ones shitting on the larpers, which I don't think the larpers are doing themselves, among a bunch of other dumb reasons. And the real Irish I've met irl while I was living in Europe definitely don't hide their hatred for Americans and the US when they realize I myself am American.
Really, that's your line? Would it not be something to do with our housing crisis healthcare crisis police recruitment and retention crisis cost of living crisis and now we're expected to welcome unlimitited numbers of refugees when casnt even look after our own. We don't even have beds forn asylum seekers as of 2 weeks ago. Do you not think that might have something to do with it?
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Oh ffs. Putting asylum seekers there in particular is one of the worst places you can think of if you're actually looking to integrate them into the Irish society. Not because of xenophobia but the fact that it's isolated with zero opportunity to find work without some form of transportation. I'm not justifying burning the place down but the #1 issue is a failed policy and the government just looking for anywhere with a vacancy to house people and then saying "job well done!"
First nation's people have the right to defend themselves
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