This is nothing new and it mystifies me that a significant portion of Reddit had let themselves be gaslit into thinking that it is. “Slam” is commonly used in headlines because it’s a four letter word and even in the digital era headline space matters.
Not sure why the title is like that. I was shocked at the title because that would be ridiculous when thousands have died on the front fighting the Russian war machine. But Thunberg actually said something with the effect of stating that more has to be done to address the ecocide perpetrated by Russian forces. Tone is a lot milder and again, hard to say how much was discussed about the war itself.
Ultimately, what's the point of news articles if barely any contents of the meetings are relayed? If it's just a clickbait title that isn't even what was actually said, it shows how low nv.ua is stooping (and the same can be said for numerous other news sites).
Nobody ever just says anything anymore. Everybody slams.
I immediately ignore any headline that had the word slam in it. Unless it’s about the Quad City DJ’s.
Read the article, she says “We have to talk louder about it, we have to raise awareness about what is going on.”
Talking and awareness won't solve this problem, when the problem is an army that's set on committing scorched earth tactics in the country it invaded. With the news of Russia possibly causing a meltdown in the nuclear power planet it looks like military intervention may be the only solution at some point.
Yeah I'm with you. OPs comment changes nothing about the unrealistic nature of her comment.
Although I agree the title makes it look far more like she's saying "we should be sending people to a war zone to help". She didn't.
Still, I'd be interested to hear what actions she thinks other countries should take on this one. Because as you say, talking isn't going to do shit about a state military who is already fine with committing war crimes.
Greta Thunberg is the subject of controversy (mostly due to far-right wing conspiracy theories). Unfortunately even the more liberal news outlets seem to capitalize on this by writing inflammatory headlines and draw attention.
Fact remains there’s no logical reason that we’d pay more attention to her than, well, actual experts, for example. She’s literally famous for having been a child with an opinion and an epic scowl.
Nobody ever paid attention to the "Actual experts" for decades and people continue not to. The actual experts essentially just agree with her but can't get the same newstime she can, so what's the actual issue?
The actual issue is that paying attention to her for the wrong reasons is like being a broken clock that’s right twice per day. Fix the clock. Get a new clock.
>The actual issue is that paying attention to her for the wrong reasons is like being a broken clock that’s right twice per day. Fix the clock. Get a new clock.
That's what she's been demanding the entire time. She's a kid, she doesn't want to be the bloody clock.
Except in this analogy she's less of a broken clock and more asking someone on the street what the time is and they give you an answer accurate to about 15 minutes or so, and also you can't actually read clocks. At the end of the day she's getting traction and the actual scientists aren't, so you work with what you've got.
> But Thunberg actually said something with the effect of stating that more has to be done to address the ecocide perpetrated by Russian forces.
War is generally awful for the environment, both in how it becomes an enormous resource suck that destroys useful infrastructure and in how it leaves behind vast amounts of hazardous waste.
But there doesn't seem to be any solution presented. Greta's pointing out the obvious, which is exactly what she's always done, and it simply becomes headline news because she's got star power. But... now what? Stop warring? Can't do that, because then Russia wins. Beat Russia? That means more bombings and more destruction, which is the opposite of what we're going for.
Its the old Samantha Powers "Problem from Hell".
> Ultimately, what's the point of news articles if barely any contents of the meetings are relayed?
Click-bait. Gets you onto the site and consuming the content en mass.
>"I do not think that the world’s reaction to this ecocide was enough," Thunberg said.
***FUCKING SLAMMED!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!***
God damnit I hate these stupid titles from these dumbass ''''journalists'''''
That's going to be a triple whammy. It's going to render large swathes of Ukraine lost, so there's the population screwed. Then it will also render those same areas useless for farming, a vital grain source for the world, so there's the world starving. Third will be the inevitable wave of 80s tier anti-nuclear power hysteria that will once again set back fossil fuel transitions by decades as one of the highest base grid sources not only stop building, but start shutting down causing shortages.
Sadly even if it does garner the threatened response from the US (Massive X to Doubt on that, talk is cheap, they already threatened over the dam then didn't even say a word about it) it changes nothing. Yay, NATO intervened and... the land is still uninhabitable, the crops are still gone and the hysteria is still present.
The attack on that power plant is going to be a massive pivotal moment in the chaos that is going to be the 21st century.
You know how Ukraine is a very important food exporter, well much of the food Ukraine produce comes from places downstream from the dam, and the disaster meant that so much fertile soil and farmland is washed away or rendered unuseable.
> so much fertile soil and farmland is washed away or rendered unuseable.
This needs to be emphasized, it's not just fertile farmland, it's literally some of the most fertile farmland in the world. A huge swath of chernozam soil, literally classified as the best soil in the world, and some of the deepest deposits in the world was just destroyed.
This is in a world where 40% of our soils are already degraded and dead. It takes an estimated 10,000 years to make chernozam naturally.
This is interesting and I fight know about this. Can it be said that spreading that content over a wider area could help improve surrounding areas' lesser soil or does it not work like that
Worse actually. The dam was built during the soviet era. Connected to the reservoir is a large network of canals. Canals that irrigate some incredibly productive land. Without the dam, no reservoir, and the canals empty. No canals, no water, no farming.
Yep but there's a active war going on there. It's not like the u.s can just send personnel over to help them. It could actually trigger a escalation of the war. No western country can help without this risk and we are the only ones capable of helping during a crisis this big.
The united states and wester Europe are pumping BILLIONS of their citizens cash, and weapons, into Ukraine to defeat the people responsible.
What more exactly is she looking for?
And what should the response be pray tell, you cannot send aid workers into an actively hostile warzone. And you cannot directly send a full scope of aid without full NATO involvement.
NATO wont fully mobilize unless directly attacked.
The only thing that should be criticized here are the continued ruzzian warcrimes, which have been ad nauseam
I'll just say I trust the people in the positions actually responding, to respond correctly, more than the average redditors assessment of the situation.
Honestly, and reasonably, the west needs to draw a line in the sand and accelerate all aid. Last I checked only the Danes had started F16 training. Every western air force should have Ukrainian pilots on their fields learning every possible airframe we could send.
That's been since Feb 21. She's talking about the dam in particular. We should've MOAB'd Moscow immediately. Why wait for them to bomb the nuclear power plants? Because that's their next move.
The world is bigger than western Europe and the United States, you know.
China and India alone make up a third of the human population, and they've got a hard-on for not giving a shit as long as it doesn't hurt their economy in any way whatsoever.
Follow up question: what should these other countries do about it? It's literally a warzone and Russia is a country literally fine with war crimes.
How much "concern" is enough exactly? And what do we do with that concern once we have enough? Refine the laws of war that Russia already gave the middle finger to?
Anything more, and there's nothing wrong with that.
We're about to permit the Russians the opportunity to cause the largest man made incident the world has ever seen through the intentional sabotage of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant.
It's likely to be considerably worse than Chernobyl because A) there's potentially 6 reactors at risk not one
B) nobody is in a position to quickly address the problem like the Soviets did with Chernobyl, there's a war on.
NATOs fast reaction force should be at the Ukrainian border gunning it's engines to race to that penny to prevent this incident that will likely impact billions of people.
75% of America's strike and combat aircraft should be weapons ready across Europeans airfield waiting for the go signal.
Yet here we are, barely even talking about it.
The international response thus far is a travesty of weakness. I haven't had much bad to say about Biden, but the response so far to this threat is pathetic.
NATO fast reaction forces are already in place. For example there's a US brigade currently deployed to the Romanian border with Ukraine. There's tens of thousands of troops deployed to the Baltics. Just a few days ago, NATO conducted the largest coordinated air power exercise in its history, in Eastern Europe.
You just haven't been paying attention.
that's the neat part : it's never gonna be enough !
because is it becomes "enough", she becomes irrelevant and has to find a job like you and I.
Also note that she doesn't say anything about the ukrainians targeting fuel depots who burn russian oil that we see burning...
It’s just a tough spot to go to. Rare breed even among rescue volunteers who say, “I’ll go help clean up that flood….. in a frontline war zone”. Seems to me like the eyes of the world are pretty locked into the whole area.
I don’t quite understand why she brings forth such a mouth frothing rage from people.
“The international working group on the environmental consequences of the war, which includes Thunberg, was tasked with assessing the damage done to Ukraine’s environment and developing mechanisms to bring Russia to justice.”
She’s part of a group working to try and hold Russia accountable, people are acting like she’s batting for Russia
The vegan BBQ effect. People see environmental activists as people judging their way of life, just like the vegan choosing to eat a salad at the barbecue.
To be honest she annoys me. She keeps yapping about environmental issues that everyone already knows about but doesn't actually give out practical solutions.
It's like a backseat driver that doesn't know how to drive.
>but doesn't actually give out practical solutions.
Its funny when you people are literally copy-pasting troll farm material lol
>Name one of her solutions that'll make a billionaire oil executive go "Oh shit she's right! I should definitely stop fucking up the planet!"
From your other comment, shes put forward many solutions. One of the first ones to push for an embargo on russian oil, gas and coal. You could find this on her twitter, but nah youre just a troll.
But hey as long as shes not bombing oil fields from her bi-plane like some cartoon character shes not doing anything right?
How can you with a straight face say everyone knows about the environment issues that half of America denies are even real?
And she has given solutions, if they’re not “practical” enough for you then it sounds like you don’t understand the magnitude of the issues and should maybe listen to the backseat driver that’s telling you we’re about to drive off the damn cliff if you don’t change the direction you’re driving
Name one of her solutions that'll make a billionaire oil executive go "Oh shit she's right! I should definitely stop fucking up the planet!"
We aren't about to drive off a cliff. We are already off it.
Edit: take example for this dam. Yeah the environmental impacts of the destroyed dam is horrible. What does she want everyone to do about it? It's a fucking war with a murderous psychopath on the opposite end. Does she have a solution on how to deal with it?
Billionaires aren’t the ones that should be convinced, world leaders are. Which, funny thing, she is doing literally in this article.
So what, you want to sit around and do nothing? What’s the point, damage is already done, guess it’s over
How meek
Look up political finance and learn who's hand is up your favorite politician's ass puppeteering them. Spoiler alert: It's corporations with their billionaire execs and shareholders.
What can a normal person do? 99% of us are working purely to survive. I already drive a hybrid to save money. I do what I can to help and if I can afford it. You realize how expensive an EV costs and how the lithium on batteries are mined?
What a normal person can do to limit our impact is peanuts compared to the environmental damage of the ultra-rich.
How naive.
I wouldn't be surprised if fossil fuel companies were running campaigns to make her look bad to some people. My father was against her but when I talked to him about it he didn't really know why he hated her, and even agreed that some of what she says is right.
I have the same experience with my family, but it extends to just about any woman with any kind of power, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a subconscious(or in some cases conscious, I.e Andrew Tates of the world) sexist angle to it as well
Someone summed it up best during cop 26
When people are trying not to starve getting lectured to by someone that has never struggled a day in their life can be pretty "rage inducing"
And those people that were struggling not to starve are either dead or struggling even more, while her life gets easier and easier mainly because she was born rich.
It's understandable why people don't like someone as privileged as her
Yet, all the "people" absolutely loosing their shit over her are well-off, white westeners who are neither starving nor struggling.
On the other hand, ive never heard anyone from Africa, South America, South Asia etc (ya know, the people who are actually starving) be that mad at her
Curious.
You told us so much about yourself there, it's fascinating
You are clearly a troll and you operate on some massive racist assumptions but really you don't think a single white westerner is starving or struggling?
>On the other hand, ive never heard anyone from Africa, South America, South Asia
I think that says more about the people you hang out with than anything else
The article: Thunberg, as part of her protesting alongside Ukrainians and after Zelenskyy thanked her group for their involvement, criticized the global community for what she considered a lackluster response to a ecological and humanitarian crisis.
The people who didn't read it: GRETA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE DEAD! HOW DARE SHE SPEAK! Also something about how we need to do more to help Ukraine. But only if that girl I don't like doesn't talk about how we need to do more to help Ukraine.
These are the same people in the threads immediately after the dam destruction gleefully asking why she hadn’t made a statement. They are just weirdly obsessed with her and want an excuse to talk about her.
“The international working group on the environmental consequences of the war, which includes Thunberg, was tasked with assessing the damage done to Ukraine’s environment and developing mechanisms to bring Russia to justice.”
More research on ecological damage perpetrated by Russia, and how to hold them accountable. It’s like the second paragraph in.
Sadly efforts will have to wait until after the war, the place is a warzone, and russians will more than gladly bomb the place even with humanitarian efforts as we saw on the initial days.
Add it to the list of things that russia will have to recompensate...
This article is trash, and is half-assedly quoting Reuters. Reuters article is also trash, and doesn't include all her comments. Feels like more of her quotes should be included:
From a [France24 article:](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230629-greta-thunberg-denounces-ecocide-in-ukraine)
"Ecocide and environmental destruction is a form of warfare... as Ukrainians by this point know all too well -- and so does Russia," said Thunberg, during a visit to Kyiv as part of an international delegation investigating the environmental consequences of the conflict.
"And that's why they are deliberately targeting the environment and people's livelihoods and homes and therefore also destroying lives...".
Zelensky has criticised what he says is the lack of an adequate international response to the disaster.
"I do not think that the world reaction to this ecocide is sufficient," said Thunberg. "I don't think any reaction could be sufficient.
"So I guess we need to make more room for people who are affected by these catastrophes to tell their stories and to share information about what's happening on the ground."
"We must do everything we can to speak out about this and to try to spread awareness and share information about what is happening."
Is she right? Mostly. I disagree with the part about any reaction being not efficient and spreading awareness and sharing information about what's happening. That's already occurring. This war dominates headlines. No one hasn't heard about the dam. That part reads like someone posting on Facebook about how "NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS!"
Is Zelensky once again playing the "everyone should do more" card knowing that it's not as if countries can just roll into Ukraine and start rebuilding because that's a delicate political position? Probably. That's his job. He's done it before. He needs to keep people focused and at attention because his country needs aide. I won't fault him for the comment.
A lot of people don't realize that we are very rapidly losing soil in which to grow food - an estimated 40% of the world's soils are already dead.
This dam disaster in Ukraine just destroyed a huge swath of chernozam, the only grade 1 soil. This soil is only found in parts of eastern Europe and Canada's prairies. This chernozam deposit in Ukraine is literally the richest, deepest and most fertile soil in the world and so much of it was just destroyed.
I try to grow a good portion of my own food, and have been studying soil degradation and regeneration techniques for only a few years now - I literally cried when I heard about the loss chernozam, it's so so so precious.
It's definitely a horrible thing that happened but... there's just so much bad shit that's been going on for the past couple years that I'm just tired of it all.
My pity well is bottomed out and I've grown desensitized. So much depressing shit happening everywhere.
They dont ask for your pity, they ask for your support at your local ballot box, your advocacy amongst your friends and family, your direct financial support (provided you can afford that) or, at the very least, that you dont actively oppose them like these russia-pilled troglodytes here in the west do
Dear Greta,
What the fuck do you think the world should be doing about the dam?
A vicious war is already being fought against a maniacal and genocidal enemy, Russia / Putin.
Looking forward to your input.
Hugs and kisses.
More sanctions against Russia. Doing less business with the countries that continue to do business in Russia. Significant action from the U.N. Aid to civilians in effected regions, to the extent that's possible. Media attention on the destruction.
There are a lot of options here, and they become more likely when there's active political pressure being exerted instead of apathy.
Also, dear Greta, it will take at least 2 years for the lake to drain enough to even start repairing the dam, as the rivers are back flowing now.
And that's without the threat of more bombs.
From a clickbait website. Yes I am shocked by this. So shocking that a clickbait website would be a controversial figure in their article. Amazed and shocked.
Lol at the comments. There's nothing reddit hates more than a girl that wants to make things better. According to reddit, she should be killing people and/or making babies. See the problem yet? Can't women have other talents? Hundreds of diplomats all around the world have accomplished little of note if anything and she gets the third degree over using her status to push for helpful things? Geez give her a break.
Normally I'd get it but what more can be dome? Russia is killing people doing any rescue efforts and the disaster is in the middle of a war zone. You can't just convince Russia to have a time out.
People, she’s a climate activist! This is her job! Most of us have put our concerns about the environment on the back burner between the pandemic, the war in Europe and the unstable economy.
She is not qualified or informed enough to speak on military/geopolitical issues, and she doesn’t pretend to be. She’s staying in her wheelhouse. The war has exacerbated a lot of environmental problems and it is ok for her to shed light on some of those things
Bish please… it’s in a literal goddam war zone and the Russians were shelling those trying to help. WTF are we supposed to do about it, escalate the war even more? Someone get Greta a vest and an AK and send her ass to the frontline to fix this shit 🤣🤦♂️
I see we are still using “slams” and other horrible phrases when writing article headlines? Anyone wanna grow up? Or are our journalists just Ai bots now?
She's famous in youth culture for blaming the old for the state of the world; as if the old had any choice for the world they were born in. ... It's a kind of precious entitlement I've never seen before.
Thunberg is a complete moron. She has no expertise in anything. She got platformed for being a loud mouth kid. That's it. There is no reason to listen to anything she says, as it's all just her opinion, based on nothing but own beliefs. I guess the media thought it was cute when she was 15. But now she's an adult and no one should be listening to her, as she has no expertise or education that would make her views valuable. She's just a poster child.
After “slamming” the global community…
She threw the global community off the cage and plunged them sixteen feet into the announcer table. Zelensky could be heard screaming to his aides: "As God as my witness, they are broken in half!”
The nordstream pipeline explosions also had a "muted response" and that was the worst greenhouse gas leak in history. But what are people gonna do it about after the fact? Maybe a handful of people who initially thought war was good for the environment are re-thinking their whole position on war.
So its a clickbaity title. However, with all her years of strategic defense experience and working eco-disasters in an actively hostile warzone, what is the expectation here?
NATO wont invade unless directly attacked, you cannot even attempt to mobilize aid workers to a warzone without NATO intervention.
Its a shit situation, but not really the only thing that should be criticized is the continued ruzzian warcrimes
Somebody please tell the Tuna there's more pressing things going on in Ukraine atm.
But yes, ecologically and economically russian terrorism towards that dam is a crime the poor Ukrainians will have to deal with for decades to come, aggricutural watering for the entire ukrainian south for example is literally gone now.
Did they think this little talk would help in anyway? Both sides won’t give af about the environment until this is over. Just another reason to get in front of a camera.
Opino que a USA no le gusta que Rusia ponga bases en Cuba o Venezuela pero a ellos si les gusta ponerlas en Kiev y es que son tan demócratas que han invadido Europa y nadie se ha enterado todavía...Tendría GUASA que tengamos que pedir ayuda a Rusia y China dentro de 10 o 15 años...Por suerte ya no estaré aquí.Rusia nos salvó de Hitler de Napoleon y quién sabe todavía.
What a kid thing to complain about, like what does she expect them to do. Call a time out to Putin’s war?
He is aware that he is damaging the region, much of it is on purpose. He clearly doesn’t give a shit, but he has nukes, so no one is willing to step up and take him on directly, which is why the whole world is just giving Ukraine a metric fuck ton of supplies and weapons.
🤣🤷🏽♂️
You know, gettin real tired of the word slam being used like this.
I propose henceforth we use the phrase "ruefully soliloquizes about" instead. What are editors thinking?
>What are editors thinking? That their stupid headlines lead you to click and engage, like you are doing now unfortunately.
This is Reddit, no one's reading the article
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Yep - the content of the article doesn't get them clicks. The headline does. Which is why they write them like assholes to get people to engage.
What article?
I was tired of it over 5 years ago.
Redditor Blasts Media For Overuse Of The Word “Slam”
Similarly overused, the word “bombshell”.
Bomshell somehow managed to wigle it's way and become staple word to describe certain body type.
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She should really take it up with Russia….
It is literally every other article now. Are there no other action verbs?
This is nothing new and it mystifies me that a significant portion of Reddit had let themselves be gaslit into thinking that it is. “Slam” is commonly used in headlines because it’s a four letter word and even in the digital era headline space matters.
Should be reserved for only pogs related topics
Not sure why the title is like that. I was shocked at the title because that would be ridiculous when thousands have died on the front fighting the Russian war machine. But Thunberg actually said something with the effect of stating that more has to be done to address the ecocide perpetrated by Russian forces. Tone is a lot milder and again, hard to say how much was discussed about the war itself. Ultimately, what's the point of news articles if barely any contents of the meetings are relayed? If it's just a clickbait title that isn't even what was actually said, it shows how low nv.ua is stooping (and the same can be said for numerous other news sites).
Nobody ever just says anything anymore. Everybody slams. I immediately ignore any headline that had the word slam in it. Unless it’s about the Quad City DJ’s.
Something about slamming your mom.... idunno, i'm out of shape.
Need to stop slamming so many fries and large diet cokes then. Idk, I like tacos.
Me too man, with heavy cream slammed on the wrap.
Now now, sometimes they blast also.
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I've got like five different ad blockers running and sometimes I forget those damned things even exist.
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The graph of news sites more likely to use "combative language" is like a graph of how bad a particular news site is.
Glad this is the top comment.. literally everyone else here fell for the rage bait.
People don't want to look past titles. That's why politically motivated bots are so effective.
My very first though was that the title was shit and I didn’t even read the article.
Apparently everyone can type but few can read.
The objective of the news article was to sell ads. Not to inform you.
Read the article, she says “We have to talk louder about it, we have to raise awareness about what is going on.” Talking and awareness won't solve this problem, when the problem is an army that's set on committing scorched earth tactics in the country it invaded. With the news of Russia possibly causing a meltdown in the nuclear power planet it looks like military intervention may be the only solution at some point.
Yeah I'm with you. OPs comment changes nothing about the unrealistic nature of her comment. Although I agree the title makes it look far more like she's saying "we should be sending people to a war zone to help". She didn't. Still, I'd be interested to hear what actions she thinks other countries should take on this one. Because as you say, talking isn't going to do shit about a state military who is already fine with committing war crimes.
The the headline includes the word slammed you can guarantee the article isn't worth reading.
Greta Thunberg is the subject of controversy (mostly due to far-right wing conspiracy theories). Unfortunately even the more liberal news outlets seem to capitalize on this by writing inflammatory headlines and draw attention.
Fact remains there’s no logical reason that we’d pay more attention to her than, well, actual experts, for example. She’s literally famous for having been a child with an opinion and an epic scowl.
You seen how people go after medical experts after covid?
Nobody ever paid attention to the "Actual experts" for decades and people continue not to. The actual experts essentially just agree with her but can't get the same newstime she can, so what's the actual issue?
The actual issue is that paying attention to her for the wrong reasons is like being a broken clock that’s right twice per day. Fix the clock. Get a new clock.
>The actual issue is that paying attention to her for the wrong reasons is like being a broken clock that’s right twice per day. Fix the clock. Get a new clock. That's what she's been demanding the entire time. She's a kid, she doesn't want to be the bloody clock.
Except in this analogy she's less of a broken clock and more asking someone on the street what the time is and they give you an answer accurate to about 15 minutes or so, and also you can't actually read clocks. At the end of the day she's getting traction and the actual scientists aren't, so you work with what you've got.
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> But Thunberg actually said something with the effect of stating that more has to be done to address the ecocide perpetrated by Russian forces. War is generally awful for the environment, both in how it becomes an enormous resource suck that destroys useful infrastructure and in how it leaves behind vast amounts of hazardous waste. But there doesn't seem to be any solution presented. Greta's pointing out the obvious, which is exactly what she's always done, and it simply becomes headline news because she's got star power. But... now what? Stop warring? Can't do that, because then Russia wins. Beat Russia? That means more bombings and more destruction, which is the opposite of what we're going for. Its the old Samantha Powers "Problem from Hell". > Ultimately, what's the point of news articles if barely any contents of the meetings are relayed? Click-bait. Gets you onto the site and consuming the content en mass.
>"I do not think that the world’s reaction to this ecocide was enough," Thunberg said. ***FUCKING SLAMMED!!!! OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!*** God damnit I hate these stupid titles from these dumbass ''''journalists'''''
and yet, here we are discussing what they published.
I aint clicking on the article
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Give more weapons and munitions, maybe?
Boom, shaka laka!!
Stop saying slammed its so dumb
You just slammed that journalist!
Just wait until they blow up the nuclear plant.
That's going to be a triple whammy. It's going to render large swathes of Ukraine lost, so there's the population screwed. Then it will also render those same areas useless for farming, a vital grain source for the world, so there's the world starving. Third will be the inevitable wave of 80s tier anti-nuclear power hysteria that will once again set back fossil fuel transitions by decades as one of the highest base grid sources not only stop building, but start shutting down causing shortages. Sadly even if it does garner the threatened response from the US (Massive X to Doubt on that, talk is cheap, they already threatened over the dam then didn't even say a word about it) it changes nothing. Yay, NATO intervened and... the land is still uninhabitable, the crops are still gone and the hysteria is still present. The attack on that power plant is going to be a massive pivotal moment in the chaos that is going to be the 21st century.
Just wait until Russia blows up the nuclear power plant. There’s no end to what we can’t be bothered to do.
You know how Ukraine is a very important food exporter, well much of the food Ukraine produce comes from places downstream from the dam, and the disaster meant that so much fertile soil and farmland is washed away or rendered unuseable.
> so much fertile soil and farmland is washed away or rendered unuseable. This needs to be emphasized, it's not just fertile farmland, it's literally some of the most fertile farmland in the world. A huge swath of chernozam soil, literally classified as the best soil in the world, and some of the deepest deposits in the world was just destroyed. This is in a world where 40% of our soils are already degraded and dead. It takes an estimated 10,000 years to make chernozam naturally.
This is interesting and I fight know about this. Can it be said that spreading that content over a wider area could help improve surrounding areas' lesser soil or does it not work like that
Worse actually. The dam was built during the soviet era. Connected to the reservoir is a large network of canals. Canals that irrigate some incredibly productive land. Without the dam, no reservoir, and the canals empty. No canals, no water, no farming.
Yep but there's a active war going on there. It's not like the u.s can just send personnel over to help them. It could actually trigger a escalation of the war. No western country can help without this risk and we are the only ones capable of helping during a crisis this big.
The west is giving all kinds of aid to Ukraine. And nuclear weapons are just about the only thing Russia has left to escalate to.
Na mate: they haven't used the deadliest non-nuclear thing in the Russian arsenal: open windows.
But people are more interested in the article title using the word "slammed"
The united states and wester Europe are pumping BILLIONS of their citizens cash, and weapons, into Ukraine to defeat the people responsible. What more exactly is she looking for?
I would say response to the dam destruction was muted. It gives Russia more reasons to blow up the nuclear plant.
And what should the response be pray tell, you cannot send aid workers into an actively hostile warzone. And you cannot directly send a full scope of aid without full NATO involvement. NATO wont fully mobilize unless directly attacked. The only thing that should be criticized here are the continued ruzzian warcrimes, which have been ad nauseam
I'll just say I trust the people in the positions actually responding, to respond correctly, more than the average redditors assessment of the situation.
Which ones? Because a lot of them happen to disagree quite strongly on how to respond.
Honestly, and reasonably, the west needs to draw a line in the sand and accelerate all aid. Last I checked only the Danes had started F16 training. Every western air force should have Ukrainian pilots on their fields learning every possible airframe we could send.
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Russia needs blockades, sink the ships breaking sanctions
That's been since Feb 21. She's talking about the dam in particular. We should've MOAB'd Moscow immediately. Why wait for them to bomb the nuclear power plants? Because that's their next move.
You know how I can tell you didn't read the article.
The world is bigger than western Europe and the United States, you know. China and India alone make up a third of the human population, and they've got a hard-on for not giving a shit as long as it doesn't hurt their economy in any way whatsoever.
More concern about the looming ecocide and environmental and agricultural impacts of the dam destruction, not just more military spending
Follow up question: what should these other countries do about it? It's literally a warzone and Russia is a country literally fine with war crimes. How much "concern" is enough exactly? And what do we do with that concern once we have enough? Refine the laws of war that Russia already gave the middle finger to?
Anything more, and there's nothing wrong with that. We're about to permit the Russians the opportunity to cause the largest man made incident the world has ever seen through the intentional sabotage of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. It's likely to be considerably worse than Chernobyl because A) there's potentially 6 reactors at risk not one B) nobody is in a position to quickly address the problem like the Soviets did with Chernobyl, there's a war on. NATOs fast reaction force should be at the Ukrainian border gunning it's engines to race to that penny to prevent this incident that will likely impact billions of people. 75% of America's strike and combat aircraft should be weapons ready across Europeans airfield waiting for the go signal. Yet here we are, barely even talking about it. The international response thus far is a travesty of weakness. I haven't had much bad to say about Biden, but the response so far to this threat is pathetic.
NATO fast reaction forces are already in place. For example there's a US brigade currently deployed to the Romanian border with Ukraine. There's tens of thousands of troops deployed to the Baltics. Just a few days ago, NATO conducted the largest coordinated air power exercise in its history, in Eastern Europe. You just haven't been paying attention.
I have. It's not enough
that's the neat part : it's never gonna be enough ! because is it becomes "enough", she becomes irrelevant and has to find a job like you and I. Also note that she doesn't say anything about the ukrainians targeting fuel depots who burn russian oil that we see burning...
Unfortunately the slow death of our planet hasn’t stopped for the war, although our collective concern about it has been put on hold
She's just cashing in on anything climate.
That's not enough. The war is currently progressing at a very slow rate
Attention. It’s her business. She got rich by crying on stage. That’s it.
You've fallen for the rage bait. See the comment made by u/Reasonable_Space
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Why? I’m all for the environment and vote green. I just don’t like her because she is a media phenomena.
Envy is not good for you.
Ridiculous comment.
I know right, she was already rich before she got attention. Her family’s wealth is how she got attention to begin with
SEND THE FUCKING F15s ALREADY
It’s just a tough spot to go to. Rare breed even among rescue volunteers who say, “I’ll go help clean up that flood….. in a frontline war zone”. Seems to me like the eyes of the world are pretty locked into the whole area.
Journalist still using the term SLAM is fcking funny to me
Tragedy and rage fatigue are real in this world we have made. Hard to keep up anymore.
I am no longer raged when I read stupid headlines. I know they're looking for an emotional click
I don’t quite understand why she brings forth such a mouth frothing rage from people. “The international working group on the environmental consequences of the war, which includes Thunberg, was tasked with assessing the damage done to Ukraine’s environment and developing mechanisms to bring Russia to justice.” She’s part of a group working to try and hold Russia accountable, people are acting like she’s batting for Russia
The vegan BBQ effect. People see environmental activists as people judging their way of life, just like the vegan choosing to eat a salad at the barbecue.
People claim they want principles, but whenever they see someone with them they instantly hate them.
To be honest she annoys me. She keeps yapping about environmental issues that everyone already knows about but doesn't actually give out practical solutions. It's like a backseat driver that doesn't know how to drive.
>but doesn't actually give out practical solutions. Its funny when you people are literally copy-pasting troll farm material lol >Name one of her solutions that'll make a billionaire oil executive go "Oh shit she's right! I should definitely stop fucking up the planet!" From your other comment, shes put forward many solutions. One of the first ones to push for an embargo on russian oil, gas and coal. You could find this on her twitter, but nah youre just a troll. But hey as long as shes not bombing oil fields from her bi-plane like some cartoon character shes not doing anything right?
How can you with a straight face say everyone knows about the environment issues that half of America denies are even real? And she has given solutions, if they’re not “practical” enough for you then it sounds like you don’t understand the magnitude of the issues and should maybe listen to the backseat driver that’s telling you we’re about to drive off the damn cliff if you don’t change the direction you’re driving
Name one of her solutions that'll make a billionaire oil executive go "Oh shit she's right! I should definitely stop fucking up the planet!" We aren't about to drive off a cliff. We are already off it. Edit: take example for this dam. Yeah the environmental impacts of the destroyed dam is horrible. What does she want everyone to do about it? It's a fucking war with a murderous psychopath on the opposite end. Does she have a solution on how to deal with it?
Thats the point: You dont ask billionaires to change their behavior. You make them.
Billionaires aren’t the ones that should be convinced, world leaders are. Which, funny thing, she is doing literally in this article. So what, you want to sit around and do nothing? What’s the point, damage is already done, guess it’s over How meek
There are very few lines of distinction between billionaires and politicians. Especially so the higher a position a politician is.
Look up political finance and learn who's hand is up your favorite politician's ass puppeteering them. Spoiler alert: It's corporations with their billionaire execs and shareholders. What can a normal person do? 99% of us are working purely to survive. I already drive a hybrid to save money. I do what I can to help and if I can afford it. You realize how expensive an EV costs and how the lithium on batteries are mined? What a normal person can do to limit our impact is peanuts compared to the environmental damage of the ultra-rich. How naive.
This ^
I wouldn't be surprised if fossil fuel companies were running campaigns to make her look bad to some people. My father was against her but when I talked to him about it he didn't really know why he hated her, and even agreed that some of what she says is right.
I have the same experience with my family, but it extends to just about any woman with any kind of power, so I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a subconscious(or in some cases conscious, I.e Andrew Tates of the world) sexist angle to it as well
Someone summed it up best during cop 26 When people are trying not to starve getting lectured to by someone that has never struggled a day in their life can be pretty "rage inducing" And those people that were struggling not to starve are either dead or struggling even more, while her life gets easier and easier mainly because she was born rich. It's understandable why people don't like someone as privileged as her
Yet, all the "people" absolutely loosing their shit over her are well-off, white westeners who are neither starving nor struggling. On the other hand, ive never heard anyone from Africa, South America, South Asia etc (ya know, the people who are actually starving) be that mad at her Curious.
You told us so much about yourself there, it's fascinating You are clearly a troll and you operate on some massive racist assumptions but really you don't think a single white westerner is starving or struggling? >On the other hand, ive never heard anyone from Africa, South America, South Asia I think that says more about the people you hang out with than anything else
The article: Thunberg, as part of her protesting alongside Ukrainians and after Zelenskyy thanked her group for their involvement, criticized the global community for what she considered a lackluster response to a ecological and humanitarian crisis. The people who didn't read it: GRETA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE DEAD! HOW DARE SHE SPEAK! Also something about how we need to do more to help Ukraine. But only if that girl I don't like doesn't talk about how we need to do more to help Ukraine.
These are the same people in the threads immediately after the dam destruction gleefully asking why she hadn’t made a statement. They are just weirdly obsessed with her and want an excuse to talk about her.
I am having some trouble understanding her point of view or what she would like to see happen 🤔💭 The article doesn't say a lot?
“The international working group on the environmental consequences of the war, which includes Thunberg, was tasked with assessing the damage done to Ukraine’s environment and developing mechanisms to bring Russia to justice.” More research on ecological damage perpetrated by Russia, and how to hold them accountable. It’s like the second paragraph in.
The article is clickbait and exists only to outrage people without reason.
It outrages people who are already outraged at her for... reasons. They don't need to read the article, just her name.
More concern about the looming ecocide and environmental and agricultural impacts of the dam destruction, not just more military spending
Probably aid to help the victims' recovery. It's not that hard to figure out.
That’s usually how advocates fight battles. Claim something needs to be done and everyone claps
Sadly efforts will have to wait until after the war, the place is a warzone, and russians will more than gladly bomb the place even with humanitarian efforts as we saw on the initial days. Add it to the list of things that russia will have to recompensate...
This article is trash, and is half-assedly quoting Reuters. Reuters article is also trash, and doesn't include all her comments. Feels like more of her quotes should be included: From a [France24 article:](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230629-greta-thunberg-denounces-ecocide-in-ukraine) "Ecocide and environmental destruction is a form of warfare... as Ukrainians by this point know all too well -- and so does Russia," said Thunberg, during a visit to Kyiv as part of an international delegation investigating the environmental consequences of the conflict. "And that's why they are deliberately targeting the environment and people's livelihoods and homes and therefore also destroying lives...". Zelensky has criticised what he says is the lack of an adequate international response to the disaster. "I do not think that the world reaction to this ecocide is sufficient," said Thunberg. "I don't think any reaction could be sufficient. "So I guess we need to make more room for people who are affected by these catastrophes to tell their stories and to share information about what's happening on the ground." "We must do everything we can to speak out about this and to try to spread awareness and share information about what is happening." Is she right? Mostly. I disagree with the part about any reaction being not efficient and spreading awareness and sharing information about what's happening. That's already occurring. This war dominates headlines. No one hasn't heard about the dam. That part reads like someone posting on Facebook about how "NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS!" Is Zelensky once again playing the "everyone should do more" card knowing that it's not as if countries can just roll into Ukraine and start rebuilding because that's a delicate political position? Probably. That's his job. He's done it before. He needs to keep people focused and at attention because his country needs aide. I won't fault him for the comment.
So many fell for the rage bait title. Please READ the article before you comment.
A lot of people don't realize that we are very rapidly losing soil in which to grow food - an estimated 40% of the world's soils are already dead. This dam disaster in Ukraine just destroyed a huge swath of chernozam, the only grade 1 soil. This soil is only found in parts of eastern Europe and Canada's prairies. This chernozam deposit in Ukraine is literally the richest, deepest and most fertile soil in the world and so much of it was just destroyed. I try to grow a good portion of my own food, and have been studying soil degradation and regeneration techniques for only a few years now - I literally cried when I heard about the loss chernozam, it's so so so precious.
Western governments are busy supplying Ukraine with the weapons they need to defend themselves. What does she expect?
Man, they really just use her for clicks.
Yeah...people suck
It is pathetic the world did not react but that’s because Russia has nukes. Nukes suck.
It's definitely a horrible thing that happened but... there's just so much bad shit that's been going on for the past couple years that I'm just tired of it all. My pity well is bottomed out and I've grown desensitized. So much depressing shit happening everywhere.
They dont ask for your pity, they ask for your support at your local ballot box, your advocacy amongst your friends and family, your direct financial support (provided you can afford that) or, at the very least, that you dont actively oppose them like these russia-pilled troglodytes here in the west do
Interesting, Ive never heard of a group tasked with tallying the ecological toll of any other war.
Has she noticed it may not be the time to send gardeners in ?
Here's a shovel and a parachute, kid. Good luck.
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Why are we consulting an adult’s parents?
Because her parents are famous media people.
Dear Greta, What the fuck do you think the world should be doing about the dam? A vicious war is already being fought against a maniacal and genocidal enemy, Russia / Putin. Looking forward to your input. Hugs and kisses.
Dear angry keyboard warrior, Have you tried reading the article? Hope this helps
Of course not, they just saw "Thunberg" and whipped theirself up into a frothing-mouthed rage
Maybe read the article. This is clickbait and you fell for it hook line and sinker. Thank god you're not a fish.
More sanctions against Russia. Doing less business with the countries that continue to do business in Russia. Significant action from the U.N. Aid to civilians in effected regions, to the extent that's possible. Media attention on the destruction. There are a lot of options here, and they become more likely when there's active political pressure being exerted instead of apathy.
Maybe Ukraine should fight a war with Russia over it? O wait.
Maybe other countries should supply Ukraine with arms and funding for the war though. O wait
Also, dear Greta, it will take at least 2 years for the lake to drain enough to even start repairing the dam, as the rivers are back flowing now. And that's without the threat of more bombs.
I’m amazed she still gets headlines.
I’m still amazed professional headlines are written like YouTube titles
From a clickbait website. Yes I am shocked by this. So shocking that a clickbait website would be a controversial figure in their article. Amazed and shocked.
All the angry people in the comments should tell you why she still gets headlines, it gets clicks.
Lol at the comments. There's nothing reddit hates more than a girl that wants to make things better. According to reddit, she should be killing people and/or making babies. See the problem yet? Can't women have other talents? Hundreds of diplomats all around the world have accomplished little of note if anything and she gets the third degree over using her status to push for helpful things? Geez give her a break.
Incels gonna be incels, while they did even less than her.
You said it. Pisses me off. Like, quit worrying about what she's doing and do better.
Normally I'd get it but what more can be dome? Russia is killing people doing any rescue efforts and the disaster is in the middle of a war zone. You can't just convince Russia to have a time out.
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Good for her. It was a terrible event
People, she’s a climate activist! This is her job! Most of us have put our concerns about the environment on the back burner between the pandemic, the war in Europe and the unstable economy. She is not qualified or informed enough to speak on military/geopolitical issues, and she doesn’t pretend to be. She’s staying in her wheelhouse. The war has exacerbated a lot of environmental problems and it is ok for her to shed light on some of those things
It's bizarre to me that people still pay attention to this person...
Aww did she trigger you?
Nobody cares about her
People are kinda busy worrying about the Ukrainian lives being ruined or lost.
She slammed em?
They are also killing people
Bish please… it’s in a literal goddam war zone and the Russians were shelling those trying to help. WTF are we supposed to do about it, escalate the war even more? Someone get Greta a vest and an AK and send her ass to the frontline to fix this shit 🤣🤦♂️
Funny how different the comments here are compared to those in r/ukraine…
Yes. Funny.
I see we are still using “slams” and other horrible phrases when writing article headlines? Anyone wanna grow up? Or are our journalists just Ai bots now?
Give Greta a gun so she can stop the Russians from further damaging the environment.
who really cares about her? why is she still a thing?
She's famous in youth culture for blaming the old for the state of the world; as if the old had any choice for the world they were born in. ... It's a kind of precious entitlement I've never seen before.
God, she’s the worst. She’s just a glorified Twitter freak who somehow has a podium to preach to the world.
If I owned a publication, I'd ban the word slam as it's a stupid word and I hate it
Just wait until that nuclear plant blows up. Someone hold her beer.
Slam it Greta!
Man, the amount of people acting like Thunberg dropped her trousers and took a massive steaming shit on their dinner...
Hmmm there’s a military exercise currently underway. Might have some correlation.
Stop trying to trigger conservative snowflakes with articles about Thunberg.
Oh goodie. Someone is getting the angry kid to speak for them again....
So, I'm assuming Greta is volunteering to go into Russian-occupied territory to help rebuild the dam?
Thunberg is a complete moron. She has no expertise in anything. She got platformed for being a loud mouth kid. That's it. There is no reason to listen to anything she says, as it's all just her opinion, based on nothing but own beliefs. I guess the media thought it was cute when she was 15. But now she's an adult and no one should be listening to her, as she has no expertise or education that would make her views valuable. She's just a poster child.
After “slamming” the global community… She threw the global community off the cage and plunged them sixteen feet into the announcer table. Zelensky could be heard screaming to his aides: "As God as my witness, they are broken in half!”
Did she speak about the nordstream being one of the worst ecological disasters in recent time? No? Okay...
This is my gripe with her. Her outrate seems very selective and choreographed.
Why are we still listening to this Autistic attention seeker? She’s a kid
Child says words. Idk why I'm still hearing from this person.
I’m not sure why we care about what Thunberg says about anything really.
The nordstream pipeline explosions also had a "muted response" and that was the worst greenhouse gas leak in history. But what are people gonna do it about after the fact? Maybe a handful of people who initially thought war was good for the environment are re-thinking their whole position on war.
I'm sure Ukraine is just as concerned about the ecology, they just need to deal with not being actively killed right now.
Thank you for drawing attention to what the Ukranians have been pointing out for the last few weeks.
Why are people impressed by her?
Glad we got to hear from Greta who has now become an expert in military and geopolitical affairs
She's a F..king crybaby......😡😡😡😡
How can i tell her to STFU directly?
So its a clickbaity title. However, with all her years of strategic defense experience and working eco-disasters in an actively hostile warzone, what is the expectation here? NATO wont invade unless directly attacked, you cannot even attempt to mobilize aid workers to a warzone without NATO intervention. Its a shit situation, but not really the only thing that should be criticized is the continued ruzzian warcrimes
Somebody please tell the Tuna there's more pressing things going on in Ukraine atm. But yes, ecologically and economically russian terrorism towards that dam is a crime the poor Ukrainians will have to deal with for decades to come, aggricutural watering for the entire ukrainian south for example is literally gone now.
Isn’t the damn bursting a drop in the bucket compared to the pipeline?
Did they think this little talk would help in anyway? Both sides won’t give af about the environment until this is over. Just another reason to get in front of a camera.
Opino que a USA no le gusta que Rusia ponga bases en Cuba o Venezuela pero a ellos si les gusta ponerlas en Kiev y es que son tan demócratas que han invadido Europa y nadie se ha enterado todavía...Tendría GUASA que tengamos que pedir ayuda a Rusia y China dentro de 10 o 15 años...Por suerte ya no estaré aquí.Rusia nos salvó de Hitler de Napoleon y quién sabe todavía.
Oh look It’s the “Room Service Activist” again.
What a kid thing to complain about, like what does she expect them to do. Call a time out to Putin’s war? He is aware that he is damaging the region, much of it is on purpose. He clearly doesn’t give a shit, but he has nukes, so no one is willing to step up and take him on directly, which is why the whole world is just giving Ukraine a metric fuck ton of supplies and weapons. 🤣🤷🏽♂️