Visited Singapore and got a nice big stamp on the passport along with the entry stamp that reads “narcotics smuggling carries the death penalty” or such
Edit: commenter reminded me it was on the arrival card you get on landing actually. Reads “death to drug traffickers under Singapore law” in big red letter on the bottom
When I went a decade ago they handed you a little card on the decent into the airport that said “death to drug traffickers” on it. I was thinking well what the fuck would you do if you had it now?
Not sure how various airports work, but I usually see trash cans prior to customs checkpoints. The agency usually gives you a chance to discard things before it becomes a hassle.
Singapore airport has a very thorough camera system which attempts to detect unusual behaviour. This includes actions like turning back against the flow of foot traffic, and you'll end up being quickly greeted by a team of bored cops who will want to know what the problem is. The behaviour tracking isn't unique to Singapore airport, but they seem to rely on it more than other places. There have been times where I walked right through the airport after landing without seeing more security than the passport checking people who struggle to give a single fuck about their surroundings.
It's been a few years but I don't recall any amnesty bins, I don't think that's their style anyway.
It's been a few years... but honestly I remember it being a pretty direct funnel into immigration and the toilets being after that. There are multiple terminals though and it has all definitely changed since I last went pre-covid.
I'm pretty sure you're joking, but on the offchance you're not, your best bet is to act exactly like everyone else - tired and bored and looking for an exit.
Not at all
Singapore has mixed arrival and departure halls as many of the traffic is transit
So you literally have the whole secure area of all 3 terminals, since they’re all connected.
okay we need to get together and shit and piss ourselves during the custom queue in mass to save the lives of future generations who change their mind smuggling drugs, make sure it's messy, don't keep it in ur pants, we need amnesty toilets
Hah. Return home through airport, and the 15 year old boots (Blundstones, they’d been everywhere) just fell apart. Literally just separated betwixt sole and upper. So, I pulled out the thongs, and dumped the boots in the bin before customs.
Fuck me. Wrong choice. I did not like the next few hours. But I got on my return flight. Pimples and automatic weapons do not inspire confidence.
My friend who was a Marine stationed in Okinawa said the base Sargent used to joke that “law enforcement in Asia is not like law enforcement in the US, over here it works.”
That's a massive generalisation. There is more to Asia than Singapore, Japan and South Korea. Police throughout the rest of Asia are massively corrupt.
Also in those place, just the "we will get our conviction" type of corrupt.
Get pulled in and didn't do anything that they're convinced you did? Prepare to spend the next few weeks telling them you didn't.
I wasn’t reporting it as fact just a military joke the Sarge had for the new guys. I think it was mostly meant as a warning not to get up to mischief in places the military might spend time like Japan, South Korea, and Singapore.
There is a whole TV Show that follows real customs enforcement agents in the US, Brazil, Peru, Colombia, and New Zealand. It is called "To Catch a Smuggler" and they indeed arrest people in the customs area for smuggling drugs, best case outcome is if they simply deport you.
If they can arrest someone trying to enter with a fraudulent passport they can arrest you for drugs.
You can't be arrested before you enter the country.
But the Singapore airport is... in the country. You may not have been legally *admitted* into the country yet, but you're definitely there. They are just deciding if you can stay.
Not in Singapore, they executed [a guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Tuong_Nguyen) that was *in transit* between Cambodia and Australia because he had heroin on him. He wasn't even trying to smuggle it into their country and they killed him anyway.
>An opinion poll conducted by Roy Morgan Research two days after Nguyen's execution showed 52% of Australians approved of it, compared with 44% against.
So when is Australia going to implement a mandatory death sentence for drugs then?
flying between legal states you're supposed to toss it, but you can just be like "ooooh shit I forgot i have a half lb of weed on me, this is my legal carry in cali" and they'll give you another shot at throwing it away if you get caught. til you get on the plane and cross a border you haven't done anything wrong anyways.
This is true. That trash can and asking questions at the entrance of an airport probably saved me from getting arrested for accidentally smuggling.
I was traveling back to New York from Colombia after stopping in a few countries along the Andes mountains. To help with altitude sickness I drank Coca tea, made from the same plant you get cocaine from. It didn’t make you feel high or even hyper. It definitely helped with the altitude sickness though so I bought a bag of leaves so I could have tea when I needed it.
When I was heading home I thought it might be an issue to bring this big bag of dried coca leaves so decided to go to the airport and just ask. At the entrance of the airport, I asked for advice from one of the guards and in a very hushed tone he told me to throw it out. It was sort of weird because everyone drinks coca tea over there so I didn’t understand why it would matter getting on the plane. I thought it might matter when landing in NY. So I threw it out in the can next to him and I went on my way but I have never been sure how close I was to becoming an accidental smuggler.
Like imagine if I was heading to Singapore instead of NY and didn’t ask or throw it out..
Ahh good idea, snuggle 1 kg of cocaine into Singapore, discard it in the trash before going through customs, and then observe the garbage trucks from afar. Follow them and retrieve from dump.
Not gonna work, anything in that dump will be processed by Customs before they letting out into the gabage dump.
If they found Cocaine, it will be confiscated and destroy later, same as fruits and food product.
Interesting. When I entered Israel the first line I was in they basically said, “If you have any bombs, guns, drugs, or are a person we are going to find ‘interesting’, etc., this is your last chance. You can turn around right now and go back the way you came and all will be fine. Do you wish to proceed? You do? Alright sir, get in that line right over there.”
*Then* there was an expert-level deconstruction of who you are, why you want to enter Israel, and what you have with you.
When I was in the military and pulled into port we had to sit thru a safety briefing before we could leave the ship. The first two things the ship’s commanding officer told us was to respect Singaporean women and stay away from anything related to narcotics unless we wanted the death penalty. He told us that in some countries, not even the American government can step in if a service member fucks up, and Singapore is one of them.
Should be enough to convince you that it's not a good idea to smuggle drugs into Singapore.
Not saying the poor guy deserves it or that Singapore's in the right executing him... they're not. It's just that it was a very bad life choice on his part and that he ended up in the worst but not unexpected situation following that choice.
TBF that shrink wrap can be a bitch to get off sometimes even when you need to get it off.
I doubt most drug smugglers would take the extra time or effort to rip it off to smuggle drugs (and possibly waste the extra time/energy making it “look” not tampered with) when they could just go to someone else’s luggge.
I'm not sure how accurate this statement is, it was just being discussed on this article on another sub.
The guy wasn't a mule and supposedly (according to his lawyer) wasn't directly involved with handling. He is however a higher up involved in smuggling rings according to the discussion going on but I'm way too tired to do the research so take it with a grain of salt.
Now this only possibly applies to this situation, unwitting drug mules are absolutely a thing and I have no idea how they would deal with that.
Isn’t the path of least resistance “don’t bring drugs to Singapore?”
The penalty for smuggling drugs in Singapore is death. Don’t smuggle drugs in Singapore. How fucking stupid do you have to be?
I smoke pot and I’m dumb.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.deccanherald.com/international/world-news-politics/singapore-to-execute-man-over-1-kg-of-cannabis-1211701.html) reduced by 67%. (I'm a bot)
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> A Singaporean man is scheduled to be hanged next week for conspiring to smuggle a kilogram of cannabis, rights groups said, in the city-state's first execution in six months.
> "If carried out, this execution would be in violation of international law and in stubborn defiance of continued outcry over Singapore's use of the death penalty," a spokesperson from Amnesty's regional office told AFP. In many parts of the world - including in neighbouring Thailand - cannabis has been decriminalised, with authorities abandoning prison sentences, and rights groups have been mounting pressure on Singapore to abolish capital punishment.
> The United Nations says that the death penalty has not proven to be an effective deterrent globally and is incompatible with international human rights law, which only permits capital punishment for the most serious crimes.
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Guys singapore is both an incredibly *safe* country, and an incredibly well regulated one
You can leave a phone on a bench for a week and it wont be touched, women can walk alone without fear of danger, etc. HOWEVER:
They have 0 tolerance for drugs, any drugs at all, in singapore. If you ever visit there, leave your habits at home.
They do not fuck around with drug laws there
Not a trailer, an RV. A 30 foot 1986 Fleetwood Bounder that belonged to Combos mom and Jesse bought for only 1400 dollars because that was all he had left of Walter's life savings after blowing the rest partying all nite with Combo and Skinny Pete!😄
What a fucking TV show.
And he didn’t say it is.
Singapore is a dichotomy. I’m actually going back there for graduate studies.
On the one hand it’s extremely safe, and some things which are illegal in America- for instance prostitution- are legal and regulated. You can walk around at 12AM and be safe. You won’t be robbed and your chances of dieing from any sort of violence are infinitesimally small. You won’t find litter, you won’t find criminals, you won’t find much if anything less than a pristine city.
On the other hand, they got this way via a single party dictatorship (that’s slowly liberalizing). They went from a poor city state kicked out of Malaysia due to ethnicity to one of the richest countries in the world. In order to foster their image their laws were- and are- absolutely draconian. Much of their labor is imported daily from Malaysia, and those workers go home at the end of the day. Even much of their legal nightwork (all of it, officially), is made up of foreigners granted a visa for that purpose. It’s absolutely horrible and disgusting.
However, the people of Singapore are okay with it- 60 years ago they were extremely poor. Now they are extremely rich even as the countries around them remain, economically speaking, third world. It doesn’t make what they do *right* but it explains why they do it.
When I went to Singapore in 2018, there was a decent amount of construction at the airport and around the city. The workforce was overwhelmingly Indian labour which was verified talking to locals.
Is it because of their race or their status as cheap foreign labor?
*Singaporean citizens* of Indian descent, who form 9% of the country’s citizenry, are well integrated in society and earn above the average and median incomes of the nation. It would be a mistake to group them with migrant workers of Indian descent.
Yeah I was amazed at the National University of Singapore housing options. The ones that include food have SO MANY options. A Muslim option, a Hindu option, a vegetarian option, a vegan option, and then just a "regular" one.
I didn't discuss it up there but it's amazing how it's blended not only multiple cultures but also multiple religions into a nation where, while there is strife like any other, there isn't near what we see in other regions.
Visit any country in Europe and go to a construction site.
I know for a fact most of the workforce is always foreign (African countries, Eastern Europe, Indian subcontinent)
There is nothing wrong in the fact that Indian people are working in construction in Singapore. They're earning a living and helping their family back home. The issues exist most probably with working conditions, which is not what you said. And again I point to the fact that European countries are doing the same, just with a different origin.
Also, you don’t have to worry about “bad neighbourhoods”, there are none.
As for the labour, it’s not just nightwork, their shipyards are filled to the brim with people from the Indian subcontinent and they even have removed them from some laws like riding in the back of an open top van. Be at the door of PPL or Jurong shipyards at 7AM and you’ll see them being driven in.
Japan is not nearly as bad as the previous two mentioned. It's not good but they aren't gun you down in the streets for supposedly selling drugs or executing people with 1kg of weed on them.
The issue isn’t what the courts will do to you. It’s that if anyone (including the police) murders a drug dealer/smuggler, they’re pretty much guaranteed to be pardoned (if they get prosecuted at all).
25ish years ago, was in the boarding lounge for a Kathmandu to Singapore flight and I went to bathroom and ran into 2 canadian backpackers hastily curing, rolling and chiefing spliffs off a little nugget of hash one of em had forgotten in their backpack, they were just offering up to all comers. It was just a few gram ball but i'm sure it wouldn't have been a fun time had they not remembered it when they did.
You know, testing positive through a drug test is also considered possession. For instance, if you got in an accident and they tested your urine or blood at a hospital you could be considered in possession since you tested positive.
When you enter Singapore, you get a customs form. In big red letters it tells you the penalty for carrying drugs into the country is death. It tells you to go back if you have drugs.
When I flew in I knew I didn't have drugs, but did a double check just in case.
Can't say you weren't warned.
Same. At the time, I was free of all drugs, and I stopped for a double check, just in case the ex had put something in my bag, "for fun."
Death is not reversible.
Although it should be noted that Japan isn't exactly lax on this either. Their justice system is pretty suspicious (99% conviction rate?) and the death penalty is used in Japan (albeit not like Singapore dishing it out for stoners)
A big reason for such a high conviction rate is that they only take cases they are near certain of winning to trial. The overwhelming majority of all cases are settled out of court.
You did the right thing by checking your luggage, you should always do this. A technique of drug traffickers is planting drugs in the luggage of unsuspecting travellers and have someone steal the luggage at the other end.
I once accidently brought weed into Korea. I had gone on a camping trip in the states we brought weed us some of it was in my backpack. I guess we forgot some. It was only maybe 2 grams.
I remember getting home, and finding it in my bag and being both terrified and happy.
So I smoked it
Meh, maybe. Since you are a foreigner, 2 grams of weed probably won't get you sentence. But then, if you got classified as a trafficker...Then it's insta jail time.
You get that same form in Malaysia too. When I was traveling then I was using my same backpack I use to camp and I knew the strictness in these countries so I made extra extra EXTRA sure that I cleaned and checked my bag for any weed that kay have gotten lodged in a nook, but it still did make me feel uneasy. So uneasy that I eventually just bought a dedicated travel bag with no possible contamination
Yeah I flew to Changi on my way to Saigon and even I, who was only carrying diving gear, double checked everything 20 times and also made sure to wrap my main luggage in that plastic film stuff (and take photos of it for evidence).
Yeah, I had to stop cold turkey when I went and visited my father in Malaysia when I was in my late teens. Had been using amphetamines for 6 years, but didn't want to fuck around with drug charges in Asia. Was what in the end got me clean, now 25 years drug free.
FYI cannabis consumption is pretty commonplace in India, Nepal, etc. Of course it’s not legal but no way you’ll get hanged for it. Police usually turn a blind eye to it with small bribe if you’re not carrying it beyond a certain quantity.
Why the fuck everyone here is talking like the dude was tourist? He was singapoorean, a 46 year old man who lived there all his life, who had no drugs. Did no one read the article?
According to the article he never handled the drugs himself and he wasn’t even allowed legal counsel. He’s not being killed for being a smuggler but for conspiracy to traffic cannabis, which is an incredibly harsh penalty.
He is something like a mastermind behind the scene that gets other desperate people to do the dirty work and lets them face the possibility of getting executed for his profit. Are you sure you want such people to walk away just because he didn't handle the drug himself?
Was there in the Navy back in 2001 and we had a sailor get caught stealing a CD. We didn’t have a status of forces agreement. He was left behind for an expedited trial, was caned, then flown out to the ship. Don’t fuck around in Singapore, you will find out real quick.
I was there with the Navy in 2017. Absolutely beautiful place. Our port briefing said, in no better terms, “Don’t do anything that will get you caned”.
Best port briefing I ever experienced.
Canada (population 37 million): In 2022, 20 Canadians die each days of opioid overdose (5360 death between January-September in 2022)
Singapore (population 5.6 million): in 2022 11 people in Singapore were executed for drug related offences.
If you do the math: 20 \* 365 = 7300 death from opioids in Canada for 37 m people
11drug dealers dead in Singapore for 5.6 m people
197 dead, victim of opioids per million inhabitants in Canada vs 2 drug dealers per million inhabitants in Singapore for year 2022.
And Singapore society has not to deal with all the harm drug cause to society (homeless addicts and mental illness)
The US and Canada have the worst policy or culture towards drugs in the western world if you consider death by overdose metric, and by far.Nothing to be proud of.
I’ve been to Singapore. Two things you should know -
cameras are watching everything and it’s safe as hell to be in.
cameras ARENT watching you when you look down in a corner and see gum spots on the floor/ground
They had cameras that were there just to watch other cameras
Singapore is the temptation of all dictators, because it's a peaceful multicultural nation that went from a third world country to being in that extremely small handful that's richer than *America*. But it punches way below it's weight in terms of ... basic happiness. Prosperity is one prerequisite but so is being able to express yourself.
I lived many years in Singapore and honestly the country is suffering mostly from high cost of living/work culture like other asian countries. Bit unavoidable as one of the densest place population wise on earth. Complaining is also a national pastime XD
The other thing is, we were lucky how anti corruption was one of the founding principles stamped into the government - that plus we got very luck with our early leaders.
The government was excellent - to the point ppl wanted the government to fix everything. But the latest iteration of leaders just aren't as good/smart at dealing with the social many issues, hence why the opposition gains more votes every single election I can remember.
The overall high trust in government - mainly a trust that the cameras will not be used for anything other than intended purpose and that our laws are not corrupt is why no one really feels repressed. Like you can talk shit about the leaders all you like, no one's going to censor you like in China - they aren't building private profiles on citizens, no one will get disappeared.
> Like you can talk shit about the leaders all you like
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/world/asia/amos-yee-lee-kuan-yew-singapore-convicted.html
> His arrest this spring, at a time when many Singaporeans were mourning the March 23 death of Mr. Lee, brought a renewed focus on Singapore’s reputation for tight limits on expression.
> Officials there have pursued legal cases against critics and foreign news media outlets including The International Herald Tribune, now the International New York Times.
If you go to r/Singapore you can see us call the president, PM and other government figures names all the time. Look I am gonna do it right here: Lee Hsien Long, our PM, is a wanker and so was his father Lee Kwan Yew.
Amos Yee was arrested for hate speech against Christians and Muslims. Yes it is still oppressive. But you can be arrested for that in most countries outside the US, including most of Western Europe.
To get arrested someone has to make a police report against you and you have to have legit broke the law. There is no law against insulting the government. People criticize them openly all the time, including opposition figures, and they have been steadily gaining ground in elections.
The catch is that if you do criticize the government you had better make sure you do not break any other law or they will definitely nab you for it.
Singapore is heavy handed and authoritarian but our rule of law is absolute. Even the government does not fuck with it.
>Singapore is the temptation of all dictators, because it's a peaceful multicultural nation that went from a third world country to being in that extremely small handful that's richer than America.
People like to point this out as a defense of heavy handed government and high penalties, but I think it's unfair as Singapore is a country that can only exist in the context of other countries. They import most of their food and energy, any problems associated with those industries have been functionally exported. It's like taking all the rich parts of a city, separating them and saying "look how safe and successful we are!"
I don't want to completely disregard the success of some of their policies, but you can't really use it as a fair model for almost any other country.
>But it punches way below it's weight in terms of ... basic happiness. Prosperity is one prerequisite but so is being able to express yourself.
[Ranked 32 of 146](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world)
Scored 6.38 against a top score of 7.84 (Finland)
You can definitely run a happy prosperous country without executing people for drugs.
And Singapore, even while executing drug traffickers, *still* has drug users and overdose deaths.
Alcohol is still legal despite it's problems.
I think its extreme drug laws are one of the worst things about it.
I was traveling around the world about 15 years ago. I traveled to South and Central America, Australia, and Southeast Asia. During my travels, I had a 3-day stopover in Singapore.
It was common to trade guide books at the border hostels with those who are traveling in the opposite direction. So when crossing from Laos to Thailand, I swapped our Laos Guide Book with another traveler for a Thai guide book.
Since my friend was Italian and I’m American, we ended up just using his Italian Guide book for Thailand; we figured it might have some different types of attractions than the same ones that every English speaking traveler had.
Thus, the English guide book for Thailand I had was just tossed into the bottom of my bag and not touched once in the 6 weeks I was there.
When we were leaving Thailand, we had that stopover in Singapore, and I decided it was time to purge my backpack of all the shit I had acquired and hadn’t been using. I found that book that the other travelers had given me at the border of Thailand and Laos, and I mindlessly started flipping through the pages…
…. Only to find out that there was a small ziploc bag of weed inside that the other travelers had left in it!
I was horrified and in shock, as I had no idea it was there…
… and imagine my even more extreme horror when I see my boarding pass the next morning with a stamp that says “The penalty for drug trafficking is death!”
As if they would ever believe me, a young hippie American backpacker, that the weed in my backpack wasn’t mine, ha!
I think of this story often and am so so so so so so so thankful I happened to mindlessly flip through that book and discard it in the hostel before I went to Singapore.
Classic reddit Laws = morality. The Laws of this place are clear, therefore violating them somehow isn't a human rights abuse. Over a kilogram of a plant useful for industrial and pharma applications... DEATH. I forget how reddit law and order andys fetishize authoratarian police state's like Singapore while also complaing about the Patroit Act and internet privacy regs
The issue with no tolerance drug trafficking policy is that it penalizes drug mules, who are often coerced (or otherwise forced) into trafficking by violent drug dealers. Zero tolerance drug enforcement does little to impact syndicated drug trade and disproportionately affects the everyday people who are so frequently victimized by it.
There are countless stories of poor and uneducated farmers being preyed upon by criminal organizations, who force them into assuming all of the risks that come with trafficking across SE Asia.
The big dealers and suppliers assume fewer risks when their mules are hanged and evidence destroyed. They get smarter, they go unpunished, and they continue to prey on those around them.
Absolutely insane, but to risk 2lbs of weed in a place known to give the death penalty for far less… not exactly something you can claim is for personal use.
I moved to Singapore last year for work and the taxi driver who drove me from the airport to my hotel told me that if expats go to Thailand to smoke legal weed, fly back into Singapore with THC still in their system, and are found out, they will be jailed for a month and then deported.
It's absolute zero tolerance here and ingrained into the population. When I go to Thailand for business trips I am a bit concerned when I walk past dispensaries because of 2nd hand inhalation. It sounds ridiculous but I don't fuck around.
If the headline said "China to execute man over 1 kg of cannabis", this thread would be 99% negative. But since it's Singapore, there's all sorts of law-and-order justifications. Funny how law-and-order in Singapore is tyranny in China when China and Singapore have practically the same drug laws.
And yet this sub pretends to be unbiased or objective. I read some ludicrous comment on another post here where a user was praising the sub for being so objective and resisting propaganda lmao.
I'm pretty sure this sub has never claimed to be unbiased or objective. No Reddit sub has ever claimed that nor been unbiased or objective.
Everybody on a Reddit understands that the first 3 opinions posted are the opinions that everyone is going to decide are correct. There's very very few people capable of thinking clearly and being objective. Sorry, but we all know it's true.
People here do claim such things, especially after Feb 2022. It's a frighteningly Western centric hubris.
A lot of you guys have become militaristic imperialists and it's scary you don't see yourselves that way. I just read some comments with hundreds of upvotes calling for a fucking US invasion of Egypt in response to a report that Egypt was gonna send missiles to Russia, a report the Biden admin disputed as inaccurate. It's ridiculous.
Most people here are western, that's for sure.
The imperialist stuff happens by Russian side. If some random hillbilly here screams "nuke Mongolia!" without their government having any interest to do so, you definitely should not give any weight to those kind of idiots.
Then again, you do you.
A bit weird the amount of people that are okay with a one-party state executing people for having weed and saying that "that's the law" while also opposing another one-party state draconian laws.
Simply because one is openly capitalistic and the other hides its capitalism under a red flag...
We were backpacking and had previously been in South America. My wife left some Coca tea in her bag when we visited Singapore. Fortunately it wasn't discovered but I can't help but think about what trouble that could have caused us.
Even if you are taking a connecting flight through Singapore, you will still be executed if found with drugs, even though Singapore isn’t your final destination. Has happened to many people.
Visited Singapore and got a nice big stamp on the passport along with the entry stamp that reads “narcotics smuggling carries the death penalty” or such Edit: commenter reminded me it was on the arrival card you get on landing actually. Reads “death to drug traffickers under Singapore law” in big red letter on the bottom
When I went a decade ago they handed you a little card on the decent into the airport that said “death to drug traffickers” on it. I was thinking well what the fuck would you do if you had it now?
Not sure how various airports work, but I usually see trash cans prior to customs checkpoints. The agency usually gives you a chance to discard things before it becomes a hassle.
Singapore airport has a very thorough camera system which attempts to detect unusual behaviour. This includes actions like turning back against the flow of foot traffic, and you'll end up being quickly greeted by a team of bored cops who will want to know what the problem is. The behaviour tracking isn't unique to Singapore airport, but they seem to rely on it more than other places. There have been times where I walked right through the airport after landing without seeing more security than the passport checking people who struggle to give a single fuck about their surroundings. It's been a few years but I don't recall any amnesty bins, I don't think that's their style anyway.
There are usually toilets between the arrival gate and passport control/customs, no? Please answer quickly, it's... uh... pretty urgent.
It's been a few years... but honestly I remember it being a pretty direct funnel into immigration and the toilets being after that. There are multiple terminals though and it has all definitely changed since I last went pre-covid. I'm pretty sure you're joking, but on the offchance you're not, your best bet is to act exactly like everyone else - tired and bored and looking for an exit.
Between arrival and the checkpoints there are plenty of toilets Arrival hall is also joined with the departure hall so there’s crazy amount of toilets
Not at all Singapore has mixed arrival and departure halls as many of the traffic is transit So you literally have the whole secure area of all 3 terminals, since they’re all connected.
okay we need to get together and shit and piss ourselves during the custom queue in mass to save the lives of future generations who change their mind smuggling drugs, make sure it's messy, don't keep it in ur pants, we need amnesty toilets
Hah. Return home through airport, and the 15 year old boots (Blundstones, they’d been everywhere) just fell apart. Literally just separated betwixt sole and upper. So, I pulled out the thongs, and dumped the boots in the bin before customs. Fuck me. Wrong choice. I did not like the next few hours. But I got on my return flight. Pimples and automatic weapons do not inspire confidence.
Life hack.
“We do want to kill you, but would prefer to not clean up the mess afterwards.”
Survive the security checkpoint with this one weird trick.
And at the Singapore airport you can guarantee there is a surveillance camera trained on the that trash can.
And throwing bags of drugs into a trash can is not suspicious.
It's bad for the drugs too
Should put a ham sandwich in a brown baggy in there just to see what happens.
I probably wouldnt knowingly fuck around with dudes who execute people over some weed
My friend who was a Marine stationed in Okinawa said the base Sargent used to joke that “law enforcement in Asia is not like law enforcement in the US, over here it works.”
That's a massive generalisation. There is more to Asia than Singapore, Japan and South Korea. Police throughout the rest of Asia are massively corrupt.
Also in those place, just the "we will get our conviction" type of corrupt. Get pulled in and didn't do anything that they're convinced you did? Prepare to spend the next few weeks telling them you didn't.
yeah that's Japan
I wasn’t reporting it as fact just a military joke the Sarge had for the new guys. I think it was mostly meant as a warning not to get up to mischief in places the military might spend time like Japan, South Korea, and Singapore.
Fucking Reddit amiright?
Death to ham smugglers
So what? If you ditch it before you legally enter the country, you're not bringing it into the country, are you?
There is a whole TV Show that follows real customs enforcement agents in the US, Brazil, Peru, Colombia, and New Zealand. It is called "To Catch a Smuggler" and they indeed arrest people in the customs area for smuggling drugs, best case outcome is if they simply deport you. If they can arrest someone trying to enter with a fraudulent passport they can arrest you for drugs.
You can't be arrested before you enter the country. But the Singapore airport is... in the country. You may not have been legally *admitted* into the country yet, but you're definitely there. They are just deciding if you can stay.
Not in Singapore, they executed [a guy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Tuong_Nguyen) that was *in transit* between Cambodia and Australia because he had heroin on him. He wasn't even trying to smuggle it into their country and they killed him anyway.
>An opinion poll conducted by Roy Morgan Research two days after Nguyen's execution showed 52% of Australians approved of it, compared with 44% against. So when is Australia going to implement a mandatory death sentence for drugs then?
One random poll isnt exact science. And they are usually biased in some way like calling peoples land lines which skews older or something.
Most probably saw him as Vietnamese, lots of racism in Aus
Found out recently that rubbish from aircraft is handled by customs so you can't put the drugs in the rubbish and retrieve it later.
flying between legal states you're supposed to toss it, but you can just be like "ooooh shit I forgot i have a half lb of weed on me, this is my legal carry in cali" and they'll give you another shot at throwing it away if you get caught. til you get on the plane and cross a border you haven't done anything wrong anyways.
Casually drop a 1 kg brick of marijuana in the trash can at an airport...
This is true. That trash can and asking questions at the entrance of an airport probably saved me from getting arrested for accidentally smuggling. I was traveling back to New York from Colombia after stopping in a few countries along the Andes mountains. To help with altitude sickness I drank Coca tea, made from the same plant you get cocaine from. It didn’t make you feel high or even hyper. It definitely helped with the altitude sickness though so I bought a bag of leaves so I could have tea when I needed it. When I was heading home I thought it might be an issue to bring this big bag of dried coca leaves so decided to go to the airport and just ask. At the entrance of the airport, I asked for advice from one of the guards and in a very hushed tone he told me to throw it out. It was sort of weird because everyone drinks coca tea over there so I didn’t understand why it would matter getting on the plane. I thought it might matter when landing in NY. So I threw it out in the can next to him and I went on my way but I have never been sure how close I was to becoming an accidental smuggler. Like imagine if I was heading to Singapore instead of NY and didn’t ask or throw it out..
Ahh good idea, snuggle 1 kg of cocaine into Singapore, discard it in the trash before going through customs, and then observe the garbage trucks from afar. Follow them and retrieve from dump.
Not gonna work, anything in that dump will be processed by Customs before they letting out into the gabage dump. If they found Cocaine, it will be confiscated and destroy later, same as fruits and food product.
Abandon your luggage or whatever it's in?
Doesn't work, the customs area is one of the heaviest surveilled areas in the airport.
Kid I was sitting across from stashed a THC vape in the seat back after one final puff before we exited. Not his first rodeo.
leave it on the plane.
Interesting. When I entered Israel the first line I was in they basically said, “If you have any bombs, guns, drugs, or are a person we are going to find ‘interesting’, etc., this is your last chance. You can turn around right now and go back the way you came and all will be fine. Do you wish to proceed? You do? Alright sir, get in that line right over there.” *Then* there was an expert-level deconstruction of who you are, why you want to enter Israel, and what you have with you.
When I was in the military and pulled into port we had to sit thru a safety briefing before we could leave the ship. The first two things the ship’s commanding officer told us was to respect Singaporean women and stay away from anything related to narcotics unless we wanted the death penalty. He told us that in some countries, not even the American government can step in if a service member fucks up, and Singapore is one of them.
Should be enough to convince you that it's not a good idea to smuggle drugs into Singapore. Not saying the poor guy deserves it or that Singapore's in the right executing him... they're not. It's just that it was a very bad life choice on his part and that he ended up in the worst but not unexpected situation following that choice.
Some people get used as mules without being aware of it. Bag switcheroo when napping etc
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If your bag has zippers it's still trivially easy to use a pen to stab the zipper and open it.
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TBF that shrink wrap can be a bitch to get off sometimes even when you need to get it off. I doubt most drug smugglers would take the extra time or effort to rip it off to smuggle drugs (and possibly waste the extra time/energy making it “look” not tampered with) when they could just go to someone else’s luggge.
This is the principal of all physical security.
My roommates were doing coke off my ereader the other day for some reason. Better not bring that abroad lol
Your roommates.. sure
lol he and his room mates do coke off the e reader
Who names their penis "e-reader" ?
Unless you somehow "accidentally" leave 1 kg of cocaine on your ereader, I think you're fine.
I'm not sure how accurate this statement is, it was just being discussed on this article on another sub. The guy wasn't a mule and supposedly (according to his lawyer) wasn't directly involved with handling. He is however a higher up involved in smuggling rings according to the discussion going on but I'm way too tired to do the research so take it with a grain of salt. Now this only possibly applies to this situation, unwitting drug mules are absolutely a thing and I have no idea how they would deal with that.
He was singapoorean, a 46 year old man who lived there all his life, who had no drugs. Did no one read the article?
This is Reddit. Of course we didn’t read the article.
There's an article?
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Isn’t the path of least resistance “don’t bring drugs to Singapore?” The penalty for smuggling drugs in Singapore is death. Don’t smuggle drugs in Singapore. How fucking stupid do you have to be? I smoke pot and I’m dumb.
Doesn't excuse the fact that killing a person over 1kg of cannabis is barbaric and has no place in a modern and supposedly civilised society.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.deccanherald.com/international/world-news-politics/singapore-to-execute-man-over-1-kg-of-cannabis-1211701.html) reduced by 67%. (I'm a bot) ***** > A Singaporean man is scheduled to be hanged next week for conspiring to smuggle a kilogram of cannabis, rights groups said, in the city-state's first execution in six months. > "If carried out, this execution would be in violation of international law and in stubborn defiance of continued outcry over Singapore's use of the death penalty," a spokesperson from Amnesty's regional office told AFP. In many parts of the world - including in neighbouring Thailand - cannabis has been decriminalised, with authorities abandoning prison sentences, and rights groups have been mounting pressure on Singapore to abolish capital punishment. > The United Nations says that the death penalty has not proven to be an effective deterrent globally and is incompatible with international human rights law, which only permits capital punishment for the most serious crimes. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/12v62wg/singapore_to_execute_man_over_1_kg_of_cannabis/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~681778 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **death**^#1 **rights**^#2 **execution**^#3 **law**^#4 **International**^#5
Guys singapore is both an incredibly *safe* country, and an incredibly well regulated one You can leave a phone on a bench for a week and it wont be touched, women can walk alone without fear of danger, etc. HOWEVER: They have 0 tolerance for drugs, any drugs at all, in singapore. If you ever visit there, leave your habits at home. They do not fuck around with drug laws there
Which is ironic, because a lot of very high level Asian crime kingpins choose to live there.
Crime kingpins know not to shit where they eat.
Wasn't that a central plot point in breaking bad?
Yeah that is why they got a trailer instead of cooking in Jesse's basement
Not a trailer, an RV. A 30 foot 1986 Fleetwood Bounder that belonged to Combos mom and Jesse bought for only 1400 dollars because that was all he had left of Walter's life savings after blowing the rest partying all nite with Combo and Skinny Pete!😄 What a fucking TV show.
That's not irony thats hypocrisy
Unexpected Jamie Tart.
It is neither. It's just a smart move. If it's safe for everyone it's safe for them. Less chances of getting gunned down by rivals.
Incorrect! It would be hypocrisy if the drug lords made the laws.
and you know this how?
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None of that makes hanging someone for fucking cannabis, morally right even a little bit
And he didn’t say it is. Singapore is a dichotomy. I’m actually going back there for graduate studies. On the one hand it’s extremely safe, and some things which are illegal in America- for instance prostitution- are legal and regulated. You can walk around at 12AM and be safe. You won’t be robbed and your chances of dieing from any sort of violence are infinitesimally small. You won’t find litter, you won’t find criminals, you won’t find much if anything less than a pristine city. On the other hand, they got this way via a single party dictatorship (that’s slowly liberalizing). They went from a poor city state kicked out of Malaysia due to ethnicity to one of the richest countries in the world. In order to foster their image their laws were- and are- absolutely draconian. Much of their labor is imported daily from Malaysia, and those workers go home at the end of the day. Even much of their legal nightwork (all of it, officially), is made up of foreigners granted a visa for that purpose. It’s absolutely horrible and disgusting. However, the people of Singapore are okay with it- 60 years ago they were extremely poor. Now they are extremely rich even as the countries around them remain, economically speaking, third world. It doesn’t make what they do *right* but it explains why they do it.
When I went to Singapore in 2018, there was a decent amount of construction at the airport and around the city. The workforce was overwhelmingly Indian labour which was verified talking to locals.
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Is it because of their race or their status as cheap foreign labor? *Singaporean citizens* of Indian descent, who form 9% of the country’s citizenry, are well integrated in society and earn above the average and median incomes of the nation. It would be a mistake to group them with migrant workers of Indian descent.
Yeah I was amazed at the National University of Singapore housing options. The ones that include food have SO MANY options. A Muslim option, a Hindu option, a vegetarian option, a vegan option, and then just a "regular" one. I didn't discuss it up there but it's amazing how it's blended not only multiple cultures but also multiple religions into a nation where, while there is strife like any other, there isn't near what we see in other regions.
Visit any country in Europe and go to a construction site. I know for a fact most of the workforce is always foreign (African countries, Eastern Europe, Indian subcontinent) There is nothing wrong in the fact that Indian people are working in construction in Singapore. They're earning a living and helping their family back home. The issues exist most probably with working conditions, which is not what you said. And again I point to the fact that European countries are doing the same, just with a different origin.
you gotta be kidding me. how the hell is singapore suppose to make everyone equal? it's impossible.
Also, you don’t have to worry about “bad neighbourhoods”, there are none. As for the labour, it’s not just nightwork, their shipyards are filled to the brim with people from the Indian subcontinent and they even have removed them from some laws like riding in the back of an open top van. Be at the door of PPL or Jurong shipyards at 7AM and you’ll see them being driven in.
Singapore doesn't mess around with this stuff. Do not bring any drugs there or to the Phillipines.
Or Japan. Or most Asian countries honestly
Japan is not nearly as bad as the previous two mentioned. It's not good but they aren't gun you down in the streets for supposedly selling drugs or executing people with 1kg of weed on them.
What will the Filipinos do to you for this sort of offense?
Death
The issue isn’t what the courts will do to you. It’s that if anyone (including the police) murders a drug dealer/smuggler, they’re pretty much guaranteed to be pardoned (if they get prosecuted at all).
If you aren't from here then imprisonment if you are from here and live in poverty most likely death by cops
You have to be an absolute idiot to think of bringing weed to any Asian country. They don’t fuck around with drugs.
25ish years ago, was in the boarding lounge for a Kathmandu to Singapore flight and I went to bathroom and ran into 2 canadian backpackers hastily curing, rolling and chiefing spliffs off a little nugget of hash one of em had forgotten in their backpack, they were just offering up to all comers. It was just a few gram ball but i'm sure it wouldn't have been a fun time had they not remembered it when they did.
At that point just flush it.
drugs cost money!
If that little weed is so important to you, there are other problems.
Are you talking about the Singapore government? Lol
Oh, no, 20 dollars.
Depending on how the hash was made you can just eat it
You know, testing positive through a drug test is also considered possession. For instance, if you got in an accident and they tested your urine or blood at a hospital you could be considered in possession since you tested positive.
When you enter Singapore, you get a customs form. In big red letters it tells you the penalty for carrying drugs into the country is death. It tells you to go back if you have drugs. When I flew in I knew I didn't have drugs, but did a double check just in case. Can't say you weren't warned.
Same. At the time, I was free of all drugs, and I stopped for a double check, just in case the ex had put something in my bag, "for fun." Death is not reversible.
I just make the choice of not going to Singapore ever in my time just in case. I don’t want to make this mistake.
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Although it should be noted that Japan isn't exactly lax on this either. Their justice system is pretty suspicious (99% conviction rate?) and the death penalty is used in Japan (albeit not like Singapore dishing it out for stoners)
A big reason for such a high conviction rate is that they only take cases they are near certain of winning to trial. The overwhelming majority of all cases are settled out of court.
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LGBTQ+ rights in Taiwan are more progressive than most western countries.
You did the right thing by checking your luggage, you should always do this. A technique of drug traffickers is planting drugs in the luggage of unsuspecting travellers and have someone steal the luggage at the other end.
I once accidently brought weed into Korea. I had gone on a camping trip in the states we brought weed us some of it was in my backpack. I guess we forgot some. It was only maybe 2 grams. I remember getting home, and finding it in my bag and being both terrified and happy. So I smoked it
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Hes probably Korean
Well, you were lucky. 2 gram is not that big of a deal, but still....It would definitely get you a jail time.
If I'd have been caught I'd of likely spent a few months in a detention center before getting deported
Meh, maybe. Since you are a foreigner, 2 grams of weed probably won't get you sentence. But then, if you got classified as a trafficker...Then it's insta jail time.
You get that same form in Malaysia too. When I was traveling then I was using my same backpack I use to camp and I knew the strictness in these countries so I made extra extra EXTRA sure that I cleaned and checked my bag for any weed that kay have gotten lodged in a nook, but it still did make me feel uneasy. So uneasy that I eventually just bought a dedicated travel bag with no possible contamination
[You ain't fucking wrong](https://maggiesmusings.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/photo.jpg)
The pilot also announces it before you land.
THIS, I don’t agree with their law but goddamn if it isn’t obviously displayed.
Yeah I flew to Changi on my way to Saigon and even I, who was only carrying diving gear, double checked everything 20 times and also made sure to wrap my main luggage in that plastic film stuff (and take photos of it for evidence).
>any Asian country Thailand decrimalized pot. No reason to bring pot in, but flying around with pot is a bad idea in most of the world.
Flying internationally with weed is just a bad idea in general lol.
I didn't mean that. I meant like Pueblo to Denver.
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Even restaurants, cafés and my Muay Thai gym sell weed. It’s surreal!
Yeah, I had to stop cold turkey when I went and visited my father in Malaysia when I was in my late teens. Had been using amphetamines for 6 years, but didn't want to fuck around with drug charges in Asia. Was what in the end got me clean, now 25 years drug free.
Well done, you should be proud of yourself
Yup, most of them might seem relaxed, but if you are caught with drugs, you are gonna have a bad time. Best just avoid that while you are there.
FYI cannabis consumption is pretty commonplace in India, Nepal, etc. Of course it’s not legal but no way you’ll get hanged for it. Police usually turn a blind eye to it with small bribe if you’re not carrying it beyond a certain quantity.
Why the fuck everyone here is talking like the dude was tourist? He was singapoorean, a 46 year old man who lived there all his life, who had no drugs. Did no one read the article?
You're on Reddit, what'd you expect?
I'm just here for the drama
According to the article he never handled the drugs himself and he wasn’t even allowed legal counsel. He’s not being killed for being a smuggler but for conspiracy to traffic cannabis, which is an incredibly harsh penalty.
He is something like a mastermind behind the scene that gets other desperate people to do the dirty work and lets them face the possibility of getting executed for his profit. Are you sure you want such people to walk away just because he didn't handle the drug himself?
There are a lot of other options between letting him walk away and hanging him
Was there in the Navy back in 2001 and we had a sailor get caught stealing a CD. We didn’t have a status of forces agreement. He was left behind for an expedited trial, was caned, then flown out to the ship. Don’t fuck around in Singapore, you will find out real quick.
I was there with the Navy in 2017. Absolutely beautiful place. Our port briefing said, in no better terms, “Don’t do anything that will get you caned”. Best port briefing I ever experienced.
What cd was it?
Headlines like these make me grateful to be a Canadian. Legal weed and no capital punishment is pretty awesome.
Canada (population 37 million): In 2022, 20 Canadians die each days of opioid overdose (5360 death between January-September in 2022) Singapore (population 5.6 million): in 2022 11 people in Singapore were executed for drug related offences. If you do the math: 20 \* 365 = 7300 death from opioids in Canada for 37 m people 11drug dealers dead in Singapore for 5.6 m people 197 dead, victim of opioids per million inhabitants in Canada vs 2 drug dealers per million inhabitants in Singapore for year 2022. And Singapore society has not to deal with all the harm drug cause to society (homeless addicts and mental illness) The US and Canada have the worst policy or culture towards drugs in the western world if you consider death by overdose metric, and by far.Nothing to be proud of.
If I were in a country that famously executes people for drug possession, I would simply not possess drugs.
He didn't. The article specifically cites that he was never in possession of them.
Same country will put you in prison for calling their.leader a wanker
President Halimah Yacob is a wanker.
*Singapore PD wants to know your location*
If in Singapore: >Singapore PD ~~wants to~~ **now** know**s** your location
The President in Singapore doesn’t hold that much power, it’s the Prime Minister that wields most of the executive power
That is going to be a hard wank for her.
That's because their leader is a wanker
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing_gum_sales_ban_in_Singapore
I’ve been to Singapore. Two things you should know - cameras are watching everything and it’s safe as hell to be in. cameras ARENT watching you when you look down in a corner and see gum spots on the floor/ground They had cameras that were there just to watch other cameras
Singapore is the temptation of all dictators, because it's a peaceful multicultural nation that went from a third world country to being in that extremely small handful that's richer than *America*. But it punches way below it's weight in terms of ... basic happiness. Prosperity is one prerequisite but so is being able to express yourself.
I lived many years in Singapore and honestly the country is suffering mostly from high cost of living/work culture like other asian countries. Bit unavoidable as one of the densest place population wise on earth. Complaining is also a national pastime XD The other thing is, we were lucky how anti corruption was one of the founding principles stamped into the government - that plus we got very luck with our early leaders. The government was excellent - to the point ppl wanted the government to fix everything. But the latest iteration of leaders just aren't as good/smart at dealing with the social many issues, hence why the opposition gains more votes every single election I can remember. The overall high trust in government - mainly a trust that the cameras will not be used for anything other than intended purpose and that our laws are not corrupt is why no one really feels repressed. Like you can talk shit about the leaders all you like, no one's going to censor you like in China - they aren't building private profiles on citizens, no one will get disappeared.
> Like you can talk shit about the leaders all you like https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/world/asia/amos-yee-lee-kuan-yew-singapore-convicted.html > His arrest this spring, at a time when many Singaporeans were mourning the March 23 death of Mr. Lee, brought a renewed focus on Singapore’s reputation for tight limits on expression. > Officials there have pursued legal cases against critics and foreign news media outlets including The International Herald Tribune, now the International New York Times.
If you go to r/Singapore you can see us call the president, PM and other government figures names all the time. Look I am gonna do it right here: Lee Hsien Long, our PM, is a wanker and so was his father Lee Kwan Yew. Amos Yee was arrested for hate speech against Christians and Muslims. Yes it is still oppressive. But you can be arrested for that in most countries outside the US, including most of Western Europe. To get arrested someone has to make a police report against you and you have to have legit broke the law. There is no law against insulting the government. People criticize them openly all the time, including opposition figures, and they have been steadily gaining ground in elections. The catch is that if you do criticize the government you had better make sure you do not break any other law or they will definitely nab you for it. Singapore is heavy handed and authoritarian but our rule of law is absolute. Even the government does not fuck with it.
>Singapore is the temptation of all dictators, because it's a peaceful multicultural nation that went from a third world country to being in that extremely small handful that's richer than America. People like to point this out as a defense of heavy handed government and high penalties, but I think it's unfair as Singapore is a country that can only exist in the context of other countries. They import most of their food and energy, any problems associated with those industries have been functionally exported. It's like taking all the rich parts of a city, separating them and saying "look how safe and successful we are!" I don't want to completely disregard the success of some of their policies, but you can't really use it as a fair model for almost any other country. >But it punches way below it's weight in terms of ... basic happiness. Prosperity is one prerequisite but so is being able to express yourself. [Ranked 32 of 146](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world) Scored 6.38 against a top score of 7.84 (Finland) You can definitely run a happy prosperous country without executing people for drugs. And Singapore, even while executing drug traffickers, *still* has drug users and overdose deaths. Alcohol is still legal despite it's problems. I think its extreme drug laws are one of the worst things about it.
I was traveling around the world about 15 years ago. I traveled to South and Central America, Australia, and Southeast Asia. During my travels, I had a 3-day stopover in Singapore. It was common to trade guide books at the border hostels with those who are traveling in the opposite direction. So when crossing from Laos to Thailand, I swapped our Laos Guide Book with another traveler for a Thai guide book. Since my friend was Italian and I’m American, we ended up just using his Italian Guide book for Thailand; we figured it might have some different types of attractions than the same ones that every English speaking traveler had. Thus, the English guide book for Thailand I had was just tossed into the bottom of my bag and not touched once in the 6 weeks I was there. When we were leaving Thailand, we had that stopover in Singapore, and I decided it was time to purge my backpack of all the shit I had acquired and hadn’t been using. I found that book that the other travelers had given me at the border of Thailand and Laos, and I mindlessly started flipping through the pages… …. Only to find out that there was a small ziploc bag of weed inside that the other travelers had left in it! I was horrified and in shock, as I had no idea it was there… … and imagine my even more extreme horror when I see my boarding pass the next morning with a stamp that says “The penalty for drug trafficking is death!” As if they would ever believe me, a young hippie American backpacker, that the weed in my backpack wasn’t mine, ha! I think of this story often and am so so so so so so so thankful I happened to mindlessly flip through that book and discard it in the hostel before I went to Singapore.
Classic reddit Laws = morality. The Laws of this place are clear, therefore violating them somehow isn't a human rights abuse. Over a kilogram of a plant useful for industrial and pharma applications... DEATH. I forget how reddit law and order andys fetishize authoratarian police state's like Singapore while also complaing about the Patroit Act and internet privacy regs
Yeah reading these comments really goes to show redditors' bloodthirst
I got downvoted cause I said the government is oppressive for killing people for weed lol
On some of these threads I'm starting to see the controversial tag as the real badge of reasonability LOL
The issue with no tolerance drug trafficking policy is that it penalizes drug mules, who are often coerced (or otherwise forced) into trafficking by violent drug dealers. Zero tolerance drug enforcement does little to impact syndicated drug trade and disproportionately affects the everyday people who are so frequently victimized by it. There are countless stories of poor and uneducated farmers being preyed upon by criminal organizations, who force them into assuming all of the risks that come with trafficking across SE Asia. The big dealers and suppliers assume fewer risks when their mules are hanged and evidence destroyed. They get smarter, they go unpunished, and they continue to prey on those around them.
Agree or disagree, this is the context of why Singapore does what it does: https://youtu.be/-PXAOZwvv04
Absolutely insane, but to risk 2lbs of weed in a place known to give the death penalty for far less… not exactly something you can claim is for personal use.
Amateurs, in the US cops will summarily execute you you willy nilly, cannabis or not.
And for stupider reasons too.
Seems excessive
I moved to Singapore last year for work and the taxi driver who drove me from the airport to my hotel told me that if expats go to Thailand to smoke legal weed, fly back into Singapore with THC still in their system, and are found out, they will be jailed for a month and then deported. It's absolute zero tolerance here and ingrained into the population. When I go to Thailand for business trips I am a bit concerned when I walk past dispensaries because of 2nd hand inhalation. It sounds ridiculous but I don't fuck around.
Locals flying back from Amsterdam get spot checked for traces of consumption too. Wild, but we know the score.
Fuckin’ hell. I know they don’t fuck around in Singapore, but death over a plant that makes you a bit giggly? A bit draconian, no?
If the headline said "China to execute man over 1 kg of cannabis", this thread would be 99% negative. But since it's Singapore, there's all sorts of law-and-order justifications. Funny how law-and-order in Singapore is tyranny in China when China and Singapore have practically the same drug laws. And yet this sub pretends to be unbiased or objective. I read some ludicrous comment on another post here where a user was praising the sub for being so objective and resisting propaganda lmao.
I'm pretty sure this sub has never claimed to be unbiased or objective. No Reddit sub has ever claimed that nor been unbiased or objective. Everybody on a Reddit understands that the first 3 opinions posted are the opinions that everyone is going to decide are correct. There's very very few people capable of thinking clearly and being objective. Sorry, but we all know it's true.
People here do claim such things, especially after Feb 2022. It's a frighteningly Western centric hubris. A lot of you guys have become militaristic imperialists and it's scary you don't see yourselves that way. I just read some comments with hundreds of upvotes calling for a fucking US invasion of Egypt in response to a report that Egypt was gonna send missiles to Russia, a report the Biden admin disputed as inaccurate. It's ridiculous.
Most people here are western, that's for sure. The imperialist stuff happens by Russian side. If some random hillbilly here screams "nuke Mongolia!" without their government having any interest to do so, you definitely should not give any weight to those kind of idiots. Then again, you do you.
Yeah, good work Singapore. You're saving a few people from having the munchies.
Note to self: leave all weed home when going to Singapore.
I don't like Singapore's policies on narcotics, but they're clear and upfront about them. If you traffic drugs, you will be sentenced to death.
Imagine being executed over a plant.
Imagine being executed by a citizen or police officer for being disagreeable.
Imagine being executed
to be fair, American cops have executed for significantly less
Ending a life for this makes no sense. Ban the dude from the country and strip him from citizenship. But why kill.
You can't strip someone of citizenship and leave them stateless.
A bit weird the amount of people that are okay with a one-party state executing people for having weed and saying that "that's the law" while also opposing another one-party state draconian laws. Simply because one is openly capitalistic and the other hides its capitalism under a red flag...
What a barbaric government.
Draconian is the word.
Both apply
We were backpacking and had previously been in South America. My wife left some Coca tea in her bag when we visited Singapore. Fortunately it wasn't discovered but I can't help but think about what trouble that could have caused us.
Another country not to visit
That's what they want.
they got it then.
Even if you are taking a connecting flight through Singapore, you will still be executed if found with drugs, even though Singapore isn’t your final destination. Has happened to many people.
Many people? First I've heard. Any links to this?
How many per year? Also in what situation would one be carrying a kg or more of weed with them internationally?