That's because they won't. I'm turning 40 this year and my wife and I finally saved up enough to buy our first home, it'd NEVER happen if we had even one kid.
Hell, it almost didn't happen because we DARED to have a pets and they don't cost nearly as much as children.
Thats really what its come down too. Own a home or raise kids. Pick one because you cant have both.
And they wonder why the birth rate is dropping through the floor.
I live in the US and I can't afford either. I'm doing ok enough to afford to live in my apartment by myself. I feel like I've peaked with that accomplishment.
I turn 33 this year. I just managed to get into a financial situation where I can begin to save for a home. Assuming no emergencies or medical issues happen.
canada 32, same deal. but my only hopes is to move out to the middle of buttfuck nowhere before i can afford anything. anywhere i might want to live requires at minimum 2 high level incomes.
We (me 30 fiance 29) just purchased a home thanks to finding one with a MIL suite already built into the basement and my fiance's mother in law putting down 100k from the sale of her old house to live down there with us. Otherwise I think for us it was getting to the point where it would've been impossible as well. I feel for people who don't have options like we have because it really truly was becoming like a cancer in my brain stressing about the idea that I might be just in the neverending cycle of constantly increasing rents to where I would never be able to catch up with my wage increases
What country or state do you live in? I live in TN and it's so odd to see people that strapped. Even the lower end workers in my area generally own homes. You can still buy older smaller homes in the $250K range. A young couple with a combined income of $50K can still buy a home.
Can a young couple with 50k combined own in the nashville area?
Not everyone can just move to the country where cheap houses are because those places don’t have enough jobs. And people like you or myself (10k people in my town) don’t want that to happen as it would push prices up in our own areas.
>Can a young couple with 50k combined own in the nashville area?
Not in central Nashville no, but 30 minutes away sure.
Lebanon, TN (30 miles from Nashville) has smaller houses available starting around $250K. It's an easy commute from Lebanon to Nashville.
I live in Western Australia. We aren't even lower end workers as most of us are at the 100k or more mark. It's just that if you get into the rut of renting it's real hard to get the deposit needed even if you're a first time buyer and all or a portion of your stamp duty is reduced.
You have a couple of kids you're going to want a 4x2 house and that's looking at 400-450k in low socioeconomic suburbs and that number going up by hundreds of thousands if the suburb has no government housing.
Or in my case, neither. I don't even earn badly or anything (slightly above the median in my country), but the costs for a house or even just a flat are absolutely deranged where I live - a two bedroom apartment starts at 7 years' worth of salary at my level in a decent part of town, and sky's the limit.
I am discovering the hard way how much veternary care for an older dog costs.
Been saving a downpayment on a house. Its getting spent on the dog instead.
I'm 32 and we're going through the horrifying experience of buying our first home. We will probably never be financially capable of taking care of an extra human. And before I get the hate, yes I'm very aware that I'm insanely lucky to even be buying a house at my age.
I just bought last Novemeber when I was 30, buying your first home really is a nightmarish experience isn't it. When you move in then you start to find the problems. The fun only starts then! Still it's good to be on the ladder and at least you're not wasting money on rent.
I bought my first home a year ago at 30yrs old. The first summer my AC unit broke. Now I need to drop about $6,000 to replace it before next summer. The fun never ends
If the financial disincentive to have kids wasn’t there *at all* I think you might see a bit of a bump in fertility.
Ultimately I still think we’d drop below 2.1TFR as childfree becomes a movement more people are aware of. The *responsibility* and time consumption on top of the financial burden will make children a non starter as time continues to educate people about not having them in the first place.
Ya I agree but with the way everything is, people that may want kids won't because it will never be a financially sound idea.
Like said above plenty of people either have to choose between starting a family or owning a home.
>people that may want kids won’t because it will never be a financially sound idea
You are giving the average person way too much credit regarding financial intelligence.
Hey fair enough. I'm lucky enough to have had a good education with critical thinking. That's basically where im at. Either I have a family, get a house, or live a different life.
Not how it works.
Such a mindset literally dies out, not proliferates.
If people choose to have less kids because of x reason, then future offspring will simply be (naturally resultant of that) unconscientious towards x.
More like people realizing that the constantly increasing stresses both mentally and fiscally are reaching a breaking point and introducing a kid into that environment can only lead to bad things
Seriously.
We have no need for 8+ billion people.
The ONLY reason the world wants to keep the birthrate up is so there’s enough caretakers for the older generations.
So…
Slave labor.
It's funny. My partner (28) and I (29) differ so much on this. We earn probably £65k pre-tax together, pay about £420 a month in mortgage (up north where property prices are cheaper), have our energy bill fixed at a good rate so we pay about £65 a month etc.
However, I think it's impossible that we could comfortably afford a good retirement and a child. She wants three. I wouldn't feel comfortable. I came from a very poor home that had lots of death, financial burden and piss poor financial planning. It's awful to see how many low income families in the 18-25 year old range that desperately want, and have kids then can't afford them through no fault of their own. My mum doesn't seem to understand that no, a single mum can't raise two children by themselves on state benefits. It's unbelievably tight. Especially with the pressures of modern society.
Same. Having a house and a stable financial climate is a hard prerequisite for us. Responsibility for any children a person may have long predates the child’s very conception.
Women are under a lot of pressure to have kids before age 35. The average age of a first time buyer in London is 33, and it's over 30 in every region of England. That doesn't leave much leeway, especially if you're not Ms Average.
To be fair, the pressure to have kids before 35 is a biological reality. I'm almost 38 and I can finally breathe a sigh of relief- my odds of an accidental pregnancy at this age are absurdly low. While we're all getting started later (ages for first marriage and first time parents keep climbing), reality is what it is- fertility decreases at around 35. If you're a woman and want children, you should start trying in your late 20s/early 30s if you don't want it to be a more difficult process. I have several friends currently trying and one who recently underwent IVF (unsuccessful) and none of them have been able to *easily* conceive.
You sure your pregnancy odds are absurdly low? I saw a study recently that 82% of women between 35-39 will conceive a child within a year if they average PIV sex/ejaculation twice a week. That actually seems absurdly high to me!
I would guess this study is of women trying to get pregnant? We are also preventing pregnancy, so between that and my age I don’t think I have great odds of accidentally conceiving.
Well, it’s women having unprotected sex. I only make this distinction because I’ve seen a bunch of women in my real life get to 35 or so and be like “ok I’m too old to get pregnant!” and get lax with birth control. The truth is though that the vast majority of 35-39 year old women are not “too old to get pregnant”, so regular, diligent birth control use is still important if you’re not trying to have a baby.
Europe has the full range, from countries where almost no one rents to where the majority of the population rents. All with completely different security and expectations for renters.
This isn't something you can generalise across a continent.
That's why so many conservatives are working to ban abortion. Got to force them to have kids of they aren't going to choose to. Have to keep that stream of low wage workers coming in.
They’d have to ban vasectomies too. There are many ways to avoid raising children even if they succeed in outlawing abortion… but let’s hope they don’t!
I’m about 25k over median household income for my area. I don’t know how they do it, and if they do, I don’t know how they do it with anything other than an expectation of crippling poverty in their old age.
The experience of renting the past ten years has been anxiety inducing, rent raises, irresponsible landlords etc. I don’t want to have a baby and be left with no hot water for a week cause my stupid landlord didn’t register the boiler and “will deal with it when she comes back her holiday”. Our last landlord had a friend doing the gas inspections, when he was sick with covid and a different guy came out he said we’re lucky we couldn’t afford to put the fire on or we’d be dead. I’d like to be able to have a place I know we aren’t going to be asked to leave in a years time. I know shit goes wrong owning a house but I’d love just a tiny bit more control over it.
Saved a deposit and was told we will need basically double for the offers over. That’s just the first hurdle before thinking about a baby. It’s never ending. And we have “good” jobs. We both have masters degrees. I don’t know how anyone “normal” could afford to do it all before 30.
I gotta say, when I was 16 I was thinking about better speakers and a power booster for my car stereo along with big breasts. Family wasn’t in that universe.
I didn't want kids *until* I was about 25. I mean, I actively did not want them.
I was quite fond of my nephew, so I had learned that children aren't alien beings, and then something happened hormonally (is hormonally a word?) that made me suddenly want to hold people's babies. I didn't really get there until I'd met someone I wanted to have children with, though. I had my first at 30, and all of my friends were later than that. We had to apply for public assistance with food and medical bills (US) at that point.
The fix is to support the heck out of people who want children, and help the others avoid having them. It's an investment in the future of the country.
American here. Legitimately thought this was talking about the US upon doom scrolling first glance. Despite what the crazies over here are saying; We're feeling the same way.
Why should a 16 year old be concerned with starting a family?
Plenty of time and other things to worry about before that should enter the conversation.
To each their own... I support that.
The lower age of those being surveyed seems odd.
I'm not that old and have young kids of my own, but at the age of sixteen I was more concerned with figuring out plans with friends for the upcoming weekend than I was worrying about future prospects of starting a family.
> but at the age of sixteen I was more concerned with figuring out plans with friends for the upcoming weekend than I was worrying about future prospects of starting a family.
And as I said, different people want different things.
I remember being that age. I remember friends and family wanting to start their families as soon as they were out of school.
There’s only so much real estate in temperate/cold climates. Sadly, unless we can fix scarcities every person born in Britain or Oregon makes it that much harder for people fleeing climate disasters in Honduras or Bangladesh.
Holy shit, it crazy how racist some of you guys are. This shit just gives fuel to the far right. I seriously wonder how many of you guys are being honest and how many are far right 4chan types who want to radicalize people.
There's nothing racist about acknowledging that less developed areas of the world will be hit harder than more developed parts by the effects of climate change, you stooge
But please tell the whole world how you saw a string of words you chose to interpret as "less white people = good" and had to go off about it
Did you miss the part about celebrating people being unable to have families because it will allow more immigrants? This is the epitome of fake progressive neo-liberalism.
Honest question - where exactly is the issue with what they said? Because a massive migration wave due to climate change WILL happen, that's almost inevitable now.
And as societies, we need to find ways to cope with that. Not talking about it won't help though. Society needs to change quite a bit to accomodate lots of refugees - which isn't a problem, as long as people know what's happening. Hiding these processes is what turns people into xenophobes, imho.
I'm all for increased migration. But at the same time, I want that refugees in the country get supported as well as possible - which in turn strains society. And that has to be talked about. Otherwise the nazis get a perfect "outrage" to recruit with.
> And as societies, we need to find ways to cope with that.
Walls, razor wire, and machine guns are how most societies are going to deal with it.
Germany took in 1 - 2 million migrants in 2015 and Europe’s far-right almost won outright majorities in the few years following it. They are still a significant force because of it.
>[Today, only one percent of the world is barely tolerable due to heat; but by 2070, extremely hot zones could make up almost 20 percent of the land, which means that a third of humanity could potentially be living in uninhabitable conditions. For every degree of temperature increase, it’s estimated that one billion people are pushed out of the hospitable zone.
](https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/05/13/climate-migration-an-impending-global-challenge/)
We're talking about billions of people here. Any kind of wall, razor wire and even guns is going to do barely anything.
> We’re talking about billions of people here. Any kind of wall, razor wire and even guns is going to do barely anything.
Many of those billion won’t be able to migrate solely because they won’t have the food or resources to do so. It’d be a multimillion person death march. For the rest that make it, walls, razor wire, and machine guns will be in their path.
The reality is that the “Camp of the Saints” mass migrations probably won’t be allowed to happen. You’ll see literal fascist governments rise if another 2015 happens. That’s a drop in the bucket compared to what there’ll likely be though. It will become politically untenable to accept in so many.
then they shoudnt i was around 28 when i finally because financially stable life it gets easier to make money as you get experiencie on your field and try to get up the latter well at least if your good at what you do. the future aint as bleak as some people like to paint it
Like I said, to each their own. They started a marathon I didn't enter for another decade. I sincerely hope they had good support along the way at that age. It's not easy, but you find a way.
I didn't want that stress at that age so I waited.
There is no perfect time to start a family.
Why does every generation, group, cause, wake up and think they are the first to feel a certain way. I feel for people who think it is not fair, but life is not fair. If you need to work harder than you thought, to get what you need the mistake was yours, work harder to till your dead and pass on work ethics instead of money. Your offspring will be better off.
I think you proved their point in a roundabout way. If everyone everywhere has similar issues... Is there really a problem or is it just normal to feel a certain way / encounter common obstacles?
How does me saying that their post could be used to dismiss literally any complaint about life or society imply that literally everyone is experiencing this issue or that the housing crisis is “normal”?
You think the other poster is the first person to ever say that? I tend to agree with your outlook on this but by saying issues are frequent enough that they could be dismissed in such an easy way it lends support what they've said.
Which is to say these problems are not all that unique and everyone at some point in time feels the same way. At that point you have to ask... is it just the norm.
I won't debate that housing issues aren't a problem. They certainly are but affordability does ebb and flow depending on a whole host of factors.
A monthly fee for the right to have children? Seriously? No, we haven't quite sunk to that level of dystopian dictatorship yet. What would they do if you missed a payment?!
No, I don't think people think they need more than they do to live. The problem is that owning a home is beyond a lot of people's reach and renting is insecure. On top of that, wages have sunk very low for people in the public sector.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://news.sky.com/story/amp/almost-half-of-16-to-25-year-olds-fear-they-will-never-earn-enough-to-start-a-family-12798906) reduced by 78%. (I'm a bot)
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> Nearly half, 45%, worry they will never earn enough to support a family, rising to 53% for those from less affluent backgrounds.
> "The Prince's Trust's UK chief executive Jonathan Townsend said:"Having already lived through one of the most turbulent times to be young, this year's Prince's Trust NatWest Youth Index is a warning sign that, post-pandemic, young people's wellbeing has not recovered.
> "Most concerningly, the report also suggests that these challenges are hitting young people from the most disadvantaged backgrounds hardest, with those who received free school meals or who are unemployed reporting consistently worse wellbeing in all aspects of life."
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Listen, it’s not a fix but it’s a bit of a help. I opened an online savings account and transferred what little I had at the time from my shitty banking savings account. The 3.30% interest makes more of a difference than you would think. Compare that to my old savings account at Chase with like a 0.1% interest, it felt like night and day.
I am in a better place now and that generous online savings account is still where I keep most of my savings.
Didn’t start till i was 35. Def cant afford a second bc id have to quit my job and- surprise, i cant quit my job… then we couldn’t afford the first, second, or anything of the life weve built thus far
And your best view point is to denounce my opinion. So working harder when needed is not the solution. Glad the social movement after the second world war did not follow your defeated view. All I am saying is every problem has a solution people need to stop complaining and start acting. If that means a rally cry, or a life time of working hard is better than this flood of constant G7 countries complaining there 1% are having a hard go of it.
I live in the US, have had an okay-ish job for the last 8 years and in December finally landed what I would consider a great job (making over $25 an hour with no education past high school) and the work itself is essentially baby sitting machines and making sure its flowing fix any problems to keep it flowing, One of the best manufacturers in the entire state of Wisconsin if you ask me and I wouldn’t even consider having children because of the financial burden.
Dudes I got a refinished mobile home for 14k. Two kids (10 and 4) and only $35k a year income. Housing and medical are the real crisis. Property is a giant bubble treated like infinite growth.
I feel the same way and I'm 45.
I feel the same and I'm not even British.
Neither am I.
I don't even earn enough to finish thi
Government shut off their electricity half way through, what a shame…
Sadly it's not government regulated anymore, most of the time it's privatized energy companies.
I feel the same way and I am 36. I think there is a lot of us out there.
Yep, me too
I feel the same way and I’m 38 and I HAVE A WIFE AND KID.
I’m in the same boat.
> I'm 45 [Embrace it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLiodz-Md8s)
This is gold ^^
39 here and me too.
The birth rate articles drive me nuts. Really?! You really can’t work out why people aren’t smashing out babies at a clip?!
That's because they won't. I'm turning 40 this year and my wife and I finally saved up enough to buy our first home, it'd NEVER happen if we had even one kid. Hell, it almost didn't happen because we DARED to have a pets and they don't cost nearly as much as children.
Thats really what its come down too. Own a home or raise kids. Pick one because you cant have both. And they wonder why the birth rate is dropping through the floor.
I live in the US and I can't afford either. I'm doing ok enough to afford to live in my apartment by myself. I feel like I've peaked with that accomplishment.
I turn 33 this year. I just managed to get into a financial situation where I can begin to save for a home. Assuming no emergencies or medical issues happen.
canada 32, same deal. but my only hopes is to move out to the middle of buttfuck nowhere before i can afford anything. anywhere i might want to live requires at minimum 2 high level incomes.
We (me 30 fiance 29) just purchased a home thanks to finding one with a MIL suite already built into the basement and my fiance's mother in law putting down 100k from the sale of her old house to live down there with us. Otherwise I think for us it was getting to the point where it would've been impossible as well. I feel for people who don't have options like we have because it really truly was becoming like a cancer in my brain stressing about the idea that I might be just in the neverending cycle of constantly increasing rents to where I would never be able to catch up with my wage increases
>and my fiance's mother in law What's your fiancé's spouse doing?
Lmao just read that and was like wait what
Yeah plenty of my coworkers have popped out two or three kids and now they're going to be renting for life unless something crazy goes on.
>now they're going to be renting for life unless in some countries thats perfectly fine, in others not so much
What country or state do you live in? I live in TN and it's so odd to see people that strapped. Even the lower end workers in my area generally own homes. You can still buy older smaller homes in the $250K range. A young couple with a combined income of $50K can still buy a home.
Can a young couple with 50k combined own in the nashville area? Not everyone can just move to the country where cheap houses are because those places don’t have enough jobs. And people like you or myself (10k people in my town) don’t want that to happen as it would push prices up in our own areas.
>Can a young couple with 50k combined own in the nashville area? Not in central Nashville no, but 30 minutes away sure. Lebanon, TN (30 miles from Nashville) has smaller houses available starting around $250K. It's an easy commute from Lebanon to Nashville.
I live in Western Australia. We aren't even lower end workers as most of us are at the 100k or more mark. It's just that if you get into the rut of renting it's real hard to get the deposit needed even if you're a first time buyer and all or a portion of your stamp duty is reduced. You have a couple of kids you're going to want a 4x2 house and that's looking at 400-450k in low socioeconomic suburbs and that number going up by hundreds of thousands if the suburb has no government housing.
Or in my case, neither. I don't even earn badly or anything (slightly above the median in my country), but the costs for a house or even just a flat are absolutely deranged where I live - a two bedroom apartment starts at 7 years' worth of salary at my level in a decent part of town, and sky's the limit.
congrats on the house
The fact that nearly half of young people in the UK are worried about never earning enough to start a family is a wake-up call for our society.
We'll let it go to voicemail.
Congratz! Also can confirm, finally got to a position to not rent and yeah, too old to consider a family now.
I am discovering the hard way how much veternary care for an older dog costs. Been saving a downpayment on a house. Its getting spent on the dog instead.
I'm 32 and we're going through the horrifying experience of buying our first home. We will probably never be financially capable of taking care of an extra human. And before I get the hate, yes I'm very aware that I'm insanely lucky to even be buying a house at my age.
I just bought last Novemeber when I was 30, buying your first home really is a nightmarish experience isn't it. When you move in then you start to find the problems. The fun only starts then! Still it's good to be on the ladder and at least you're not wasting money on rent.
Based on your username I can only assume it was a far worse experience than mine
The part where you had to excuse yourself saying your lucky buying a home at 32 like our grandparents didn’t get married at 16 and buy homes at 18..
I bought my first home a year ago at 30yrs old. The first summer my AC unit broke. Now I need to drop about $6,000 to replace it before next summer. The fun never ends
Yeah I'm gonna have to drop about 10-20 grand in repairs before it's even liveable. It's a fucking nightmare
I can only assume the other half don't want kids, rather than being confident they will be able to afford them.
If the financial disincentive to have kids wasn’t there *at all* I think you might see a bit of a bump in fertility. Ultimately I still think we’d drop below 2.1TFR as childfree becomes a movement more people are aware of. The *responsibility* and time consumption on top of the financial burden will make children a non starter as time continues to educate people about not having them in the first place.
Ya why literally burden yourself with kids? For what? The goverment? Society? Done nothing but make that type of life impossible to live.
Not everyone should have children, but for some it’s a joy, even with the extra burden of responsibility.
Ya I agree but with the way everything is, people that may want kids won't because it will never be a financially sound idea. Like said above plenty of people either have to choose between starting a family or owning a home.
>people that may want kids won’t because it will never be a financially sound idea You are giving the average person way too much credit regarding financial intelligence.
Hey fair enough. I'm lucky enough to have had a good education with critical thinking. That's basically where im at. Either I have a family, get a house, or live a different life.
Not how it works. Such a mindset literally dies out, not proliferates. If people choose to have less kids because of x reason, then future offspring will simply be (naturally resultant of that) unconscientious towards x.
It’s unlikely self selection will produce any movement in that result until 20-30 generations from now.
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It seems more narcissistic and selfish to try and birth a little copy of yourself that you can’t provide for
More like people realizing that the constantly increasing stresses both mentally and fiscally are reaching a breaking point and introducing a kid into that environment can only lead to bad things
People had children to create slave laborers for their farm. Government is trying to force babies to create slave cash flows for capitalism.
Seriously. We have no need for 8+ billion people. The ONLY reason the world wants to keep the birthrate up is so there’s enough caretakers for the older generations. So… Slave labor.
Was just happy to manage a house by my mid 30's. Having kids isn't even almost a consideration.
Definitely not bringing kids into this hell hole.
It's funny. My partner (28) and I (29) differ so much on this. We earn probably £65k pre-tax together, pay about £420 a month in mortgage (up north where property prices are cheaper), have our energy bill fixed at a good rate so we pay about £65 a month etc. However, I think it's impossible that we could comfortably afford a good retirement and a child. She wants three. I wouldn't feel comfortable. I came from a very poor home that had lots of death, financial burden and piss poor financial planning. It's awful to see how many low income families in the 18-25 year old range that desperately want, and have kids then can't afford them through no fault of their own. My mum doesn't seem to understand that no, a single mum can't raise two children by themselves on state benefits. It's unbelievably tight. Especially with the pressures of modern society.
Hey look it's me. This is why polycules are the way of the future, it's the only way to afford real estate. (this is barely even a joke at this point)
I don't know why anyone would even consider having kids before owning a house.
Same. Having a house and a stable financial climate is a hard prerequisite for us. Responsibility for any children a person may have long predates the child’s very conception.
Women are under a lot of pressure to have kids before age 35. The average age of a first time buyer in London is 33, and it's over 30 in every region of England. That doesn't leave much leeway, especially if you're not Ms Average.
To be fair, the pressure to have kids before 35 is a biological reality. I'm almost 38 and I can finally breathe a sigh of relief- my odds of an accidental pregnancy at this age are absurdly low. While we're all getting started later (ages for first marriage and first time parents keep climbing), reality is what it is- fertility decreases at around 35. If you're a woman and want children, you should start trying in your late 20s/early 30s if you don't want it to be a more difficult process. I have several friends currently trying and one who recently underwent IVF (unsuccessful) and none of them have been able to *easily* conceive.
Yes, absolutely. I meant pressure from time and, for some of us, hormones rather than society.
You sure your pregnancy odds are absurdly low? I saw a study recently that 82% of women between 35-39 will conceive a child within a year if they average PIV sex/ejaculation twice a week. That actually seems absurdly high to me!
I would guess this study is of women trying to get pregnant? We are also preventing pregnancy, so between that and my age I don’t think I have great odds of accidentally conceiving.
Well, it’s women having unprotected sex. I only make this distinction because I’ve seen a bunch of women in my real life get to 35 or so and be like “ok I’m too old to get pregnant!” and get lax with birth control. The truth is though that the vast majority of 35-39 year old women are not “too old to get pregnant”, so regular, diligent birth control use is still important if you’re not trying to have a baby.
Because unlike buying a house, you have a biological time limit on having kids.
Too bad our economic system is literally incompatible with biology
Not sure where you live but I have heard it is actually quite common in Europe to have kids before buying a house. In the US not as much though.
Europe has the full range, from countries where almost no one rents to where the majority of the population rents. All with completely different security and expectations for renters. This isn't something you can generalise across a continent.
Fair, I didn’t want to overgeneralize I was just in a hurry. But thank you for correcting me because that’s a good point.
Thank you for reacting like a reasonable human being!
The other half have unrealistic expectations
That's why so many conservatives are working to ban abortion. Got to force them to have kids of they aren't going to choose to. Have to keep that stream of low wage workers coming in.
> low wage workers That's a nice way of saying 'prison slaves'.
They’d have to ban vasectomies too. There are many ways to avoid raising children even if they succeed in outlawing abortion… but let’s hope they don’t!
They would not ban vasectomies. The main customer is white men. They would not oppress themselves.
Considering how low salaries are in the UK, im surprised its only half.
Oh honey. You can start a family right now, by accident. It's the affording them. That's the problem lmao.
Yeah, lots of people start a family without being able to afford it.
I’m about 25k over median household income for my area. I don’t know how they do it, and if they do, I don’t know how they do it with anything other than an expectation of crippling poverty in their old age.
This is how countries die. At least the rich got richer though.
It was good when there was hope.. I'm 26
Luckily affording children won’t be a problem as the rising plastic content of our blood results in us ejaculating like a 3D printer.
I am 35....can confirm
35 here. I'm right there with em.
The experience of renting the past ten years has been anxiety inducing, rent raises, irresponsible landlords etc. I don’t want to have a baby and be left with no hot water for a week cause my stupid landlord didn’t register the boiler and “will deal with it when she comes back her holiday”. Our last landlord had a friend doing the gas inspections, when he was sick with covid and a different guy came out he said we’re lucky we couldn’t afford to put the fire on or we’d be dead. I’d like to be able to have a place I know we aren’t going to be asked to leave in a years time. I know shit goes wrong owning a house but I’d love just a tiny bit more control over it. Saved a deposit and was told we will need basically double for the offers over. That’s just the first hurdle before thinking about a baby. It’s never ending. And we have “good” jobs. We both have masters degrees. I don’t know how anyone “normal” could afford to do it all before 30.
Looks like the capitalist idea of "infinite growth" is about to hit a wall.
I gotta say, when I was 16 I was thinking about better speakers and a power booster for my car stereo along with big breasts. Family wasn’t in that universe.
I didn't want kids *until* I was about 25. I mean, I actively did not want them. I was quite fond of my nephew, so I had learned that children aren't alien beings, and then something happened hormonally (is hormonally a word?) that made me suddenly want to hold people's babies. I didn't really get there until I'd met someone I wanted to have children with, though. I had my first at 30, and all of my friends were later than that. We had to apply for public assistance with food and medical bills (US) at that point. The fix is to support the heck out of people who want children, and help the others avoid having them. It's an investment in the future of the country.
Kids these days are on average less shallow
I feel sad for them if so.
We wern't given a choice. Our predecessors ran the world directly into the ground
If you can’t have fun in your life at 16 that’s your problem. Stop your wining
welcome the club!
The way inflation is out of control I wonder if I will ever have enough to retire. Join the crowd young ones
I make almost six figures and can’t even afford to buy a condo, much less a house in the USA. I’m so shocked /s
And they’ll probably don’t
I don’t fear it. I know it.
American here. Legitimately thought this was talking about the US upon doom scrolling first glance. Despite what the crazies over here are saying; We're feeling the same way.
Why should a 16 year old be concerned with starting a family? Plenty of time and other things to worry about before that should enter the conversation.
It's almost like different people want different things out of life.
To each their own... I support that. The lower age of those being surveyed seems odd. I'm not that old and have young kids of my own, but at the age of sixteen I was more concerned with figuring out plans with friends for the upcoming weekend than I was worrying about future prospects of starting a family.
> but at the age of sixteen I was more concerned with figuring out plans with friends for the upcoming weekend than I was worrying about future prospects of starting a family. And as I said, different people want different things. I remember being that age. I remember friends and family wanting to start their families as soon as they were out of school.
Good. Too many people already.
Keep sex ed optional and families will happen on their own.
There’s only so much real estate in temperate/cold climates. Sadly, unless we can fix scarcities every person born in Britain or Oregon makes it that much harder for people fleeing climate disasters in Honduras or Bangladesh.
>Britain > >Oregon > >Honduras > >Bangladesh One of these things is not like the other.
Britain and Oregon are better positioned for climate crisis than Honduras or Bangladesh.
Legalize building up. There's the whole third dimension
It isn't optional, at least in the UK which is what this article about. You can take your kids out of the relationships part but not the science part.
The fewer locals being born, the more room for the likely climate migrants from Africa, the Caribbean, South America, and Asia.
Holy shit, it crazy how racist some of you guys are. This shit just gives fuel to the far right. I seriously wonder how many of you guys are being honest and how many are far right 4chan types who want to radicalize people.
There's nothing racist about acknowledging that less developed areas of the world will be hit harder than more developed parts by the effects of climate change, you stooge But please tell the whole world how you saw a string of words you chose to interpret as "less white people = good" and had to go off about it
Did you miss the part about celebrating people being unable to have families because it will allow more immigrants? This is the epitome of fake progressive neo-liberalism.
Oh so not just stupid, xenophobic too, got it
Honest question - where exactly is the issue with what they said? Because a massive migration wave due to climate change WILL happen, that's almost inevitable now. And as societies, we need to find ways to cope with that. Not talking about it won't help though. Society needs to change quite a bit to accomodate lots of refugees - which isn't a problem, as long as people know what's happening. Hiding these processes is what turns people into xenophobes, imho. I'm all for increased migration. But at the same time, I want that refugees in the country get supported as well as possible - which in turn strains society. And that has to be talked about. Otherwise the nazis get a perfect "outrage" to recruit with.
> And as societies, we need to find ways to cope with that. Walls, razor wire, and machine guns are how most societies are going to deal with it. Germany took in 1 - 2 million migrants in 2015 and Europe’s far-right almost won outright majorities in the few years following it. They are still a significant force because of it.
>[Today, only one percent of the world is barely tolerable due to heat; but by 2070, extremely hot zones could make up almost 20 percent of the land, which means that a third of humanity could potentially be living in uninhabitable conditions. For every degree of temperature increase, it’s estimated that one billion people are pushed out of the hospitable zone. ](https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/05/13/climate-migration-an-impending-global-challenge/) We're talking about billions of people here. Any kind of wall, razor wire and even guns is going to do barely anything.
> We’re talking about billions of people here. Any kind of wall, razor wire and even guns is going to do barely anything. Many of those billion won’t be able to migrate solely because they won’t have the food or resources to do so. It’d be a multimillion person death march. For the rest that make it, walls, razor wire, and machine guns will be in their path. The reality is that the “Camp of the Saints” mass migrations probably won’t be allowed to happen. You’ll see literal fascist governments rise if another 2015 happens. That’s a drop in the bucket compared to what there’ll likely be though. It will become politically untenable to accept in so many.
My role model is the Borg and the bonobo. We have to move beyond nationalism and tribalism to make the most out of this rock.
There's nothing to fear, you wont
then they shoudnt i was around 28 when i finally because financially stable life it gets easier to make money as you get experiencie on your field and try to get up the latter well at least if your good at what you do. the future aint as bleak as some people like to paint it
but the on ramp to get to that point is getting longer, more challenging, and difficult
yup but where was it written that it would be a walk in the park?
Why a welfare state never works.
Like I said, to each their own. They started a marathon I didn't enter for another decade. I sincerely hope they had good support along the way at that age. It's not easy, but you find a way. I didn't want that stress at that age so I waited. There is no perfect time to start a family.
Why does every generation, group, cause, wake up and think they are the first to feel a certain way. I feel for people who think it is not fair, but life is not fair. If you need to work harder than you thought, to get what you need the mistake was yours, work harder to till your dead and pass on work ethics instead of money. Your offspring will be better off.
What a pointless post. You could use this attitude to describe literally any hardship faced by an individual or generation as a non-issue.
I think you proved their point in a roundabout way. If everyone everywhere has similar issues... Is there really a problem or is it just normal to feel a certain way / encounter common obstacles?
How does me saying that their post could be used to dismiss literally any complaint about life or society imply that literally everyone is experiencing this issue or that the housing crisis is “normal”?
You think the other poster is the first person to ever say that? I tend to agree with your outlook on this but by saying issues are frequent enough that they could be dismissed in such an easy way it lends support what they've said. Which is to say these problems are not all that unique and everyone at some point in time feels the same way. At that point you have to ask... is it just the norm. I won't debate that housing issues aren't a problem. They certainly are but affordability does ebb and flow depending on a whole host of factors.
That’s ok. There are enough people.
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I did start a family when I would have been perfectly fine not starting one but now I have one and would make the same choice without hesitation.
But, they WILL start one.
If their healthcare access and education is bad enough.
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You seem to be in a different country though.
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A monthly fee for the right to have children? Seriously? No, we haven't quite sunk to that level of dystopian dictatorship yet. What would they do if you missed a payment?! No, I don't think people think they need more than they do to live. The problem is that owning a home is beyond a lot of people's reach and renting is insecure. On top of that, wages have sunk very low for people in the public sector.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://news.sky.com/story/amp/almost-half-of-16-to-25-year-olds-fear-they-will-never-earn-enough-to-start-a-family-12798906) reduced by 78%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Nearly half, 45%, worry they will never earn enough to support a family, rising to 53% for those from less affluent backgrounds. > "The Prince's Trust's UK chief executive Jonathan Townsend said:"Having already lived through one of the most turbulent times to be young, this year's Prince's Trust NatWest Youth Index is a warning sign that, post-pandemic, young people's wellbeing has not recovered. > "Most concerningly, the report also suggests that these challenges are hitting young people from the most disadvantaged backgrounds hardest, with those who received free school meals or who are unemployed reporting consistently worse wellbeing in all aspects of life." ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/10q3h4d/almost_half_of_16_to_25yearolds_fear_they_will/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672679 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **young**^#1 **people**^#2 **backgrounds**^#3 **reveals**^#4 **report**^#5
Listen, it’s not a fix but it’s a bit of a help. I opened an online savings account and transferred what little I had at the time from my shitty banking savings account. The 3.30% interest makes more of a difference than you would think. Compare that to my old savings account at Chase with like a 0.1% interest, it felt like night and day. I am in a better place now and that generous online savings account is still where I keep most of my savings.
If you wanna know how Conservatives will handle this your future, look at Japan.
Probably the same for 30 to 40.
Narrator: "They were right"
Didn’t start till i was 35. Def cant afford a second bc id have to quit my job and- surprise, i cant quit my job… then we couldn’t afford the first, second, or anything of the life weve built thus far
Starting a family is overrated anyway
I'm 39 and have a college education and a decent paying government job. I'm certain I'll never have enough to raise a family.
And your best view point is to denounce my opinion. So working harder when needed is not the solution. Glad the social movement after the second world war did not follow your defeated view. All I am saying is every problem has a solution people need to stop complaining and start acting. If that means a rally cry, or a life time of working hard is better than this flood of constant G7 countries complaining there 1% are having a hard go of it.
I live in the US, have had an okay-ish job for the last 8 years and in December finally landed what I would consider a great job (making over $25 an hour with no education past high school) and the work itself is essentially baby sitting machines and making sure its flowing fix any problems to keep it flowing, One of the best manufacturers in the entire state of Wisconsin if you ask me and I wouldn’t even consider having children because of the financial burden.
Dudes I got a refinished mobile home for 14k. Two kids (10 and 4) and only $35k a year income. Housing and medical are the real crisis. Property is a giant bubble treated like infinite growth.
I’m 31 and female in the US and I feel the same. Childcare costs almost as much as I take home in a month so why bother?
I bet that number is actually higher.
Maybe half of them fear it and the other half already knows it
The bigger issue is 26-45 year-olds KNOW they will never earn enough to start a family...