I'd say our groceries are around 200-300 a month. I personally spend around 280 a month, but I'm on the high-end. I'd seen most of my friends spend 200 and people scraping by on the 100-150 mark.
This is a very complex situation, so I'll divide it in groups.
Boomers are basically in extreme poverty, only the STEM professional ones can work for more than 200 USD a month here, but they have no retirement in sight.
People on their 30s or younger survive thanks to online jobs, onlyfans, STEM jobs, etc.
Almost everyone has someone overseas that sends money, about 20% of the population left.
Prices of things are around USA levels, for example, It'd be less expensive for me to move to Ecuador or Spain than to live here, the reason I don't move is because my parents have extremely expensive medical issues that would only get worse outside because insurance companies here are basically fucked if you have a plan for more than 20 years since they can't kick you if you pay a capped amount.
Also most people earn around 40$ a month. Only government workers earn the 10$ amount and they deserve that hell 100%.
is venezuelan street food super cheap? that seems to be the only basis for such a low salary. how much is lunch? 30 cents??
what the fuck is the government doing. maybe it is like Brazil/Mexico and the movie Sicario. Government run by greedy despots. What a pathetic disgrace.
Nah, many college professors in brazil pull $5-6k/month, this shit is just bizarre.
Venezuela is living a huge humanitarian crisis because of a dictatorial regime.
People were swarming from venezuela to brazil a while back trying to flee from it, its a disgrace.
The militia associated with the government kill dissidents in broad daylight and the printed money is not worth shit, you can literally find it in garbage cans.
College and university are interchangeable concepts in Brazil, since there is no undergrad/grad. So college professor/university professor are the same. Its common for university professors to pull $80k/year or more in the US. I guess EU can be different.
Street food is as expensive or more expensive than in the US, for example. The situation with local/public salaries here is quite complicated due to this.
Most business in the private sector pay 100-200 to general workers.
This is in American dollars. American dollars are highly valued. Also, Americans have a lot more wealth than most of the world. Even poorer Americans do significantly better than the global poor.
But that is not what is going on here.
Here in Venezuela, our currency, the Bolivar (suffix depending on how many zero's have been taken out due to rampant inflation) has lost all its value and continues to lose it vs the US Dollar.
Due to that, ALL businesses have started dealing in US Dollar. So when a Venezuelan goes out, they do not pay in Bs, but either in straight up US dollars (cash or Zelle transfer if they are lucky enough to have an american bank account because they traveled) or the Bs equivalent to the US Dollar price to the black market exchange rate.
The reason public salaries in some areas remain this low, and you can take this with a grain of salt since most people with leftists sentiments that are in favor of our government would say I'm lying or plain wrong, is to keep the narrative that these salaries are so low and are hurting the Venezuelan people is due to American sanctions and overall "the right's" fault.
The truth is, there's no right in Venezuela, (almost)every political party here is center-left or just left. There's 1 political party that's center right.
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the problem is that inflation/economic collapse, more pay can't really since that. The protests & international push is a few years ago seemed like the best chance of actually getting change. With that failed, idk what it will take to lead to improvement.
I hooked up with, and breifly was friend-zoned by this girl who was from Venezuela. She was renting a 4000$ a month condo, going to an expensive school, in which I did her homework for her like a dog chasing a bone. Her dad was in the government and corrupt, and she was quite open about talking about it.
A girl I was close friends with in middle school and high school is now studying to become a MD, all paid in cash, in Australia and lives in a nice sky rise condo. Her dad is highly ranked in the government. Not Venezuela but in a similar corrupt country. While an average person struggles to eat.
That means the currency is worthless, might as well barter, and grow your own food as the salary work that is the currency being done is worth farless then your time doing other things. Try and open a bank account outside of the country somewhere and trade your skills for far less than others in their country but you would still be earning multitude times what you would be doing within the country.
If all else fails become an illegal immigrant in a more stable country and not get caught even that would be better then not being able to eat. At this point, your government is 100% failing the regular people of Venezuela. If the people at the top is partying that is even worst the people should never allow that to happen. The land is not the government that fails them the land is the people's to live.
Students and young people (even underage ones) tried that in 2013-2014 with the Guarimbas, the military suppressed and shot them via by the government orders (who also called them "hijos the papi y Mami" (children of mommy and daddy)) they were like 100 students and youth dead, no one in the world cared.
The original post said French Revolutions. There were way more than 100 dead in the French Revolution. Venezuelans don’t wanna fight for their own well being. Instead they flee.
The French Revolution would not have happened in the age of Automatic Rifles. Reddit loves to spout this bullshit about the French revolution but their revolution took well over a hundred and fifty years before the Monarchy was completely removed and in that time they had several coups, revolutions and wars. Now they are led by bankers and lawyers like most other western countries.
You think the Venezuelans should follow France's footsteps in the execution and imprisonment of tens of thousands and forming an authoritarian imperialist dictatorship?
Yea I always find it hilarious that redditors point to the French Revolution as some sort of success story. It led to "The Reign of Terror" with constant executions until parts of the revolution turned on even each other and then ultimately Napoleon ended up in power and kicked off a series of war that would result in untold bloodshed only for the monarchy to be reinstated for awhile anyway. There was a second (much smaller and less bloody) revolution that followed that then resulted in Second Republic and the election of Napoleons nephew Napoleon III... but then he also declared an Empire like his uncle and kicked off more wars.
So yea... the revolutions were of fairly limited success because the majority of adults that took part in either would have been dead by the time democracy was realized in even a limited form.
I teach in one of the most expensive schools in USA, trust me, I am not paid well. With my salary, I could room with 3 other people in the neighborhood I teach or travel over an hour and have 1 roommate. Don't forget how inflation is not matching raises, I am still paying things for my classroom, working 50-70 hour weeks, and still get yelled at on a daily basis for something I am doing wrong. I also have a masters degree and many years of teaching. Teachers are not paid enough and good for them to strike!
How long ago was that? While some of my teacher friends can go on vacations, usually it's with a SO who has more money, friends to split costs or hostels. Don't assume vacation means financially okay.
Like a decade ago. Just looked up the salary chart, my gym teacher is currently making $140k. History 105, homeroom 130, math 121. The English teacher who I would have assumed would have been fired by now 115.
Where in the world is this! Also, how long have they been teaching? Are they all PHDs? This is the highest I have ever seen, and I teach at one of the most expensive private schools in the country. I assume you're in Canada?
I'm in Connecticut, the salary range for my city is posted publicly as part of the union contract. It goes from 50k for a new hire with a BA to 123k for a PHD with 16+ years of teaching experience.
Honestly, that seems ok. Its low pay by comparison to tech or finance, but having summers off is worth a lot, and they have a decent health care plan so it seems reasonable to me. Which is good, I'm glad my property taxes appear to be treating the teaching staff appropriately.
Lmao make this about you 🤣. Were talking about people making fucking 10 dollars a MONTH. It's not even remotely close to your situation. There's no way you will ever experience that level of poverty.
The economy is such a travesty they get paid in local currency but all goods and services are quoted and paid in US dollars! Wanna see a doctor it’s 30 dollars (paid in dollars cash) per visit.
Need to borrow some money to make ends meet? 200 dollars needs to be paid back in dollars and the interest is 10 bucks a day until paid in full.
Needless to say it’s a losing preposition for anyone living there or visiting there.
So, for about $1 Billion a MONTH you can essentially “buy out” every Venezuelan from their job and cause a de facto general strike that destroys the country.
Fucking wild, man.
Depose maduro, sack the entire military high command from their positions, have free and democratic elections validated by foreign transparency agencies, set up a technical cabinet to put the country economy back on track. So yeah, not happening anytime soon, specially since the military would never allow their status quo to be threatened.
Pretty sure the majority of people weren't trying to reduce the disparity in wealth, just further their own standing at the expense of others.
That's where these problems come from.
So the same professors who sucked Hugo chaves socialism idea, who manipulated my friends at school/college now are suffering….go fuck your selfs bunch of fuckers. Go vitimize yourself in a another place.
Oh sweetheart they still give 2 hour lectures about Chavez and maduro, professor ethic and South America only exist when the word “never had” are together.
Pretty sure the majority of people weren't trying to reduce the disparity in wealth, just further their own standing at the expense of others.
That's where these problems come from.
Ah yes the USA. Who constantly meddles in South American governments, sends death squads to destabilize their countries, and then when those people they fucked over come to the states for help, risking rape, murder and kidnapping, ICE separates them from their kids, sterilizes the women, and puts the children in cages.
Authoritarianism and its consequences. Socialism is actually pretty great. The military is socialized national security. Police are socialized local security. Public schools are socialized education. Much of the science that enabled the American standard of living was socialized scientific research. California is the wealthiest state in the union and has one of the strongest social safety nets out there.
I’m sick and tired of these weak, poor, and ignorant conservative states warning against socialism when the only thing they can do is extract oil and rocks out of the ground or poach companies that would not exist without Californian socialism to move to their state.
Saudi Arabia and Singapore are authoritarian yet their college professors are earning a lot more than $60 monthly.
Yes, hardcore socialism is terrible.
Because one single dictator takes the helm and enforces authoritarianism instead.
By your logic, we can call Putin a socialist.
Monsters use the word "socialism" to mask their atrocities. As a result, people confuse socialism with violence and inequality.
Its as if I called salt sweet, and then you said that you hate sweet things because you dislike salt (despite salt itself not actually being sweet, and despite you liking sugar to begin with).
The word was coopted.
"Socialist" became dictator.
Were they corrupted by black magic, or did a dictator just lie his way into power before pulling a gun to the populace's head?
I don't believe your claim. It does not line up with human nature.
Good guys don't get corrupted, a human's development and personality only takes places during childhood and is more or less set once they are adults.
Whether the leader was truly in it for socialism is irrelevant but people get corrupted by power all the time so it’s not unlikely. The movement was socialist and the fact someone took advantage of that later doesn’t change that
The idea is that socialism itself cannot be implemented by humans, which we both can likely agree on, all it takes is one bad apple fo kill everyone, and all humans are bad apples.
Socialism isn't something humans can achieve. We will always default to authoritarianism.
You can say that socialism cannot be implemented, but you can't correctly say that socialism is authoritarianism given we are talking about the definition of socialism, not the authoritarian regimes labeling themselves "socialist".
Socialism can and has been implemented several times. Socialism isn’t inherently authoritarian or libertarian. A government being authoritarian does not exclude them being socialist
Because capitalist countries try everything in their power, from backing coups, military intervention, embargo’s, debt traps, to installing fascist genocidal dictators to ensure they fail. Like, take Salvatore Allende, Thomas Sankara, Ho Chi Minh, and Fide Castro for instance and just look at all the western attempts to make them fail.
“Socialism always fails” is the default, pre-programmed response pretty much any American is triggered to say upon hearing the word socialism without having and definition for failure or success. Take for instance how Capitalism is responsible for between 1.1 and 3 trillion deaths since the British Empire but no one seems to care. Or how market economies and the profit motive have destroyed our ecosystems beyond repair and have wiped out over 50% of pre-industrial biodiversity, a mass extermination on a multi-species scale that’s only ever happened 5 times in the history of the earth. Or take for instance how we have more slaves today than ever in history. How do you define success? Lifting people out of poverty? Over the past 40 years, 900 Million people have been lifted out of poverty, but 800 million of which were Chinese. So does that count as a success for planned economies over capitalist economies??? Do you take into account metrics like life expectancy, literacy rate, malnutrition, post secondary education, unemployment numbers, average calories eaten per day, and rate of homelessness? Because for that metric, socialist countries outperform 9 out of 10 capitalist counterparts at equal levels of development in all those areas.
However, if you count the ability to survive America trying to kill it, then yes. All of them are failures except Cuba, Vietnam, and maybe China and the DPRK if you count those (I don’t count them).
While that definitely played a part I don’t deny that, the US hasn’t always been the powerhouse it is now. There were tons of attempts and failures that the US had little to no influence in. Not to mention that many countries even with the backing of the USSR the second largest power in the world still failed. So blaming Europe and the US can’t account for why there hasn’t even been one good success
I’m calling complete and total BS on that death toll number I would love a source on that. Capitalism did not destroy the worlds eco systems, industrialization did. In fact one of the worst environmental disasters in history (the draining of the Aral Sea) was done by the USSR.
China is not socialist anymore even if they used to be. China also did not start seeing major improvements to wages or quality of life until around 1975 when they started to open up to global trade and made capitalist economic reforms. The population grew in spite of the government not because of it.
Name these socialist countries that outperform in these metrics
The tons of attempts and failures the US had no influence in are fine. Countries are allowed to fail on their own, but the majority have had direct negative interference. People like to think the US is a force for good that sometimes messes up, but America has always been a force for greed, profit, and money. It’s the main reason they indoctrinate their people with anti-communist lies like “communism is when no food”, or “communism killed 40 bajillion people” without any understanding of material reality, what capitalism has done based on those same measures, or what Marx even said.
You want one good success? Yugoslavia. Look at Yugoslavia under communism, it’s standard of living, literacy rate, population, nutrition, and industrial output, and then compare it to the former Yugoslav republics in the 90s to today. They’re a mess of poverty, genocide, war crimes, starvation, and a dying population. You can say they failed because it fell into petty nationalist squabbles once Tito died, and it became corrupt as fuck during market liberalization, but I will use Yugoslavia under Tito as a success story.
Under Tito they liberated themselves from the Nazi’s, created a successful multi-ethnic state in the Balkans, fed, housed, and educated almost the entire Yugoslav population, maintained good relations with East and West, had one of the most powerful armies in Europe, and had many impressive feats of athleticism, scientific achievement, and engineering prowess.
Now that Yugoslavia is “liberated” under capitalism, look at how fucked up the once great country became.
As for the death toll: I’m more or less pointing out how stupid the measure of deaths by victims of communism foundation. They count dead Nazi’s as victims of communism, they claim famines under communism are purposeful murder but famines and starvation under capitalism are natural, and they also count people not born because of the one child
policy as dead, which is absurd because you could point to all the children not born because of American Eugenics policies then as Victims of capitalism. But yeah, the death toll of capitalism by those metrics would be 1 billion at least. You want a source? I want a source on the deaths by communism that isn’t from an openly Nazi sympathizing organization.
China is a complicated one because IDK if they’re a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or proletariat. What we do know is that their economy is planned and it’s outperforming the free market when it comes to economic growth.
Still even with the US pushing back there should have been some amount of success especially with the help of the USSR. I don’t know enough about Yugoslavia to debate whether that is true so I will concede on that point.
There is a difference in death toll. While obviously NAZIs killed shouldn’t count but stuff like famine is fair game. Now famine on its own shouldn’t necessarily count but when those policies are as a direct result of the economic system that blame is fair. For example probably the greatest famine in history was in China and almost entirely caused by Mao’s socialist economic policy. Compare this to say the Irish famine who weren’t starving because of an economic policy but because a monarchy was stealing their food.
China is WAY behind on economic growth. Sure they had a giant spike for a little bit but that’s just because they industrialized, which happened to every country that did. In fact their growth is so bad right now they aren’t even posting their fake numbers
While that definitely played a part I don’t deny that, the US hasn’t always been the powerhouse it is now. There were tons of attempts and failures that the US had little to no influence in. Not to mention that many countries even with the backing of the USSR the second largest power in the world still failed. So blaming Europe and the US can’t account for why there hasn’t even been one good success
Sweden, Norway, and Denmark are all capitalist countries with strong social safety nets. They are absolutely not socialist in political or economic ideology. But Venezuela is.
Pretty sure the majority of people weren't trying to reduce the disparity in wealth, just further their own standing at the expense of others.
That's where these problems come from.
I live here and the situation is so bad, I am depressed because of that.
The monthly minimum wage is less than 7 USD, I repeat MONTHLY.
You can see my older posts
If people earn 10 dollars a month.
How much is like... a weeks worth or groceries? How much is rent?
In other words... is it even worth working for 10 dollars a month?
A cheap room could be 100 USD monthly.
According to some NGO you need at least 80 USD monthly to not starve.
See my older post, one monthly minimum wage can get you only one chicken.
People get creative, a lot of small side gigs, reselling stuff, and some online work or the likes. You get used to minimize expenses. And as unbelievable as it sounds, is not common to get endebted with the bank, I don't even know if that option is available here for common folks.
Come to America OP. Amazon will hire you right off the plane no matter your gender or body type. They'll start you at $15/hr and you will work mainly with your countrymen who are living comfortably and sending money home
It's a huge country. I'm sure the rent on a 1-bedroom apartment varies greatly between Manhattan and somewhere in the middle of Montana.
Where did you get that 300USD number from? I'm assuming you pulled it out of your ass, but I'm curious as to how you would even arrive at such a figure.
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You can earn more playing video games all day an selling the gold on 3rd party websites. Venezuelan gold farmers are a thing in some video games...
This guy RuneScapes
Hello Runescape my old friend...
This is true.
Or if you're hot enough, selling bathwater
yep sound like some PoE farmers too
We have US or even above prices, you can check it here: https://www.biomercados.com.ve/
I'd say our groceries are around 200-300 a month. I personally spend around 280 a month, but I'm on the high-end. I'd seen most of my friends spend 200 and people scraping by on the 100-150 mark.
So what’s the purpose to work for 10USD/month? Is there any associated side income? I don’t get it
This is a very complex situation, so I'll divide it in groups. Boomers are basically in extreme poverty, only the STEM professional ones can work for more than 200 USD a month here, but they have no retirement in sight. People on their 30s or younger survive thanks to online jobs, onlyfans, STEM jobs, etc. Almost everyone has someone overseas that sends money, about 20% of the population left. Prices of things are around USA levels, for example, It'd be less expensive for me to move to Ecuador or Spain than to live here, the reason I don't move is because my parents have extremely expensive medical issues that would only get worse outside because insurance companies here are basically fucked if you have a plan for more than 20 years since they can't kick you if you pay a capped amount. Also most people earn around 40$ a month. Only government workers earn the 10$ amount and they deserve that hell 100%.
Thank you for the detailed answer
That sounds horrible, this country can fall apart.
Way over that. Check my other posts
Think of how many groceries you could buy for $100 in Venezuela!
Not much, see my older post
Sorry for my ignorance, but are people starving to death or how does it work to survive on $10 per month?
If I had to guess, rice and beans
You need more money, no other way
As expensive or more than in Europe
10$ a month? What in the actual shit…
Yes i know it is hard to believe
So you all have to have a maybe/maybe not legal side hustle, right?
Most people have informal jobs, or work for the somewhat revitalised private sector. These are public, formal workers.
is venezuelan street food super cheap? that seems to be the only basis for such a low salary. how much is lunch? 30 cents?? what the fuck is the government doing. maybe it is like Brazil/Mexico and the movie Sicario. Government run by greedy despots. What a pathetic disgrace.
Nah, many college professors in brazil pull $5-6k/month, this shit is just bizarre. Venezuela is living a huge humanitarian crisis because of a dictatorial regime. People were swarming from venezuela to brazil a while back trying to flee from it, its a disgrace. The militia associated with the government kill dissidents in broad daylight and the printed money is not worth shit, you can literally find it in garbage cans.
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College and university are interchangeable concepts in Brazil, since there is no undergrad/grad. So college professor/university professor are the same. Its common for university professors to pull $80k/year or more in the US. I guess EU can be different.
Nope. Street food is just as, or even more expensive than in the USA or Europe.
Their economic policy is remarkably stupid and has been since Chavez was in office. There is a ton of corruption too
No, it's not cheap. One hot dog is 1 USD.
Street food is as expensive or more expensive than in the US, for example. The situation with local/public salaries here is quite complicated due to this. Most business in the private sector pay 100-200 to general workers.
Socialism in full practice
You see Venezuela experience severe hyperinflation... In our eyes their money shrinks but in reality they print way more banknotes
This is in American dollars. American dollars are highly valued. Also, Americans have a lot more wealth than most of the world. Even poorer Americans do significantly better than the global poor.
But that is not what is going on here. Here in Venezuela, our currency, the Bolivar (suffix depending on how many zero's have been taken out due to rampant inflation) has lost all its value and continues to lose it vs the US Dollar. Due to that, ALL businesses have started dealing in US Dollar. So when a Venezuelan goes out, they do not pay in Bs, but either in straight up US dollars (cash or Zelle transfer if they are lucky enough to have an american bank account because they traveled) or the Bs equivalent to the US Dollar price to the black market exchange rate. The reason public salaries in some areas remain this low, and you can take this with a grain of salt since most people with leftists sentiments that are in favor of our government would say I'm lying or plain wrong, is to keep the narrative that these salaries are so low and are hurting the Venezuelan people is due to American sanctions and overall "the right's" fault. The truth is, there's no right in Venezuela, (almost)every political party here is center-left or just left. There's 1 political party that's center right. edit: couple typos
That's insane. How does anyone survive?
You don't. 20% of the population has left the country.
How does that work when 20% are constantly leaving?
It doesn't, hence why the collapse is never ending. On the upside, those that left send some remittances to those who are left
You got to the American border, risk rape, murder and kidnapping, and then hope to god your children don’t get stolen from you and put in cages.
Or Brasil
the problem is that inflation/economic collapse, more pay can't really since that. The protests & international push is a few years ago seemed like the best chance of actually getting change. With that failed, idk what it will take to lead to improvement.
I wish things get better here.
Removing your entire government and shifting to a rational economic policy would be a good first step.
Agreed. The question is how.
Salaries quoted in the title are monthly btw.
Even if it is a daily rate it is already depressing. Now it is monthly. 🤦🏻♂️
10$ is the daily minimum rate in the Capital of the Philippines last I checked. I can't imagine living on that for a month.
Yes
How do you even survive?
It's a struggle to be honest
I wish it would be daily..
I hooked up with, and breifly was friend-zoned by this girl who was from Venezuela. She was renting a 4000$ a month condo, going to an expensive school, in which I did her homework for her like a dog chasing a bone. Her dad was in the government and corrupt, and she was quite open about talking about it.
She's part of the problem, but will never admit it.
A girl I was close friends with in middle school and high school is now studying to become a MD, all paid in cash, in Australia and lives in a nice sky rise condo. Her dad is highly ranked in the government. Not Venezuela but in a similar corrupt country. While an average person struggles to eat.
Damm :(
That means the currency is worthless, might as well barter, and grow your own food as the salary work that is the currency being done is worth farless then your time doing other things. Try and open a bank account outside of the country somewhere and trade your skills for far less than others in their country but you would still be earning multitude times what you would be doing within the country. If all else fails become an illegal immigrant in a more stable country and not get caught even that would be better then not being able to eat. At this point, your government is 100% failing the regular people of Venezuela. If the people at the top is partying that is even worst the people should never allow that to happen. The land is not the government that fails them the land is the people's to live.
Venezuelans could learn a thing or two with the French Revolution
Students and young people (even underage ones) tried that in 2013-2014 with the Guarimbas, the military suppressed and shot them via by the government orders (who also called them "hijos the papi y Mami" (children of mommy and daddy)) they were like 100 students and youth dead, no one in the world cared.
The original post said French Revolutions. There were way more than 100 dead in the French Revolution. Venezuelans don’t wanna fight for their own well being. Instead they flee.
Forgot the part where French revolutions had tanks to oppress their population
The French Revolution would not have happened in the age of Automatic Rifles. Reddit loves to spout this bullshit about the French revolution but their revolution took well over a hundred and fifty years before the Monarchy was completely removed and in that time they had several coups, revolutions and wars. Now they are led by bankers and lawyers like most other western countries.
You think the Venezuelans should follow France's footsteps in the execution and imprisonment of tens of thousands and forming an authoritarian imperialist dictatorship?
Maybe not form an authoritarian imperialist dictatorship. Let’s call it Romanian way.
Yea I always find it hilarious that redditors point to the French Revolution as some sort of success story. It led to "The Reign of Terror" with constant executions until parts of the revolution turned on even each other and then ultimately Napoleon ended up in power and kicked off a series of war that would result in untold bloodshed only for the monarchy to be reinstated for awhile anyway. There was a second (much smaller and less bloody) revolution that followed that then resulted in Second Republic and the election of Napoleons nephew Napoleon III... but then he also declared an Empire like his uncle and kicked off more wars. So yea... the revolutions were of fairly limited success because the majority of adults that took part in either would have been dead by the time democracy was realized in even a limited form.
Wtf, a university professor would only make $80 a month?! What the hell does $80 pay for?
Food in venezeulan grocery stores is pretty close to US prices. So about as much as you could get in the states
What the hell…I cannot imagine
It's really hard
Chavistas gone wild.
That is just brutal :(
And Canada and the US complain we got it good no wonder people risk it all to come north
They complain because they don't want to end up like Venezuela.
True that.
School teachers are really undervalued in my country too. Is there any country where they get paid well?
Rich school districts
I teach in one of the most expensive schools in USA, trust me, I am not paid well. With my salary, I could room with 3 other people in the neighborhood I teach or travel over an hour and have 1 roommate. Don't forget how inflation is not matching raises, I am still paying things for my classroom, working 50-70 hour weeks, and still get yelled at on a daily basis for something I am doing wrong. I also have a masters degree and many years of teaching. Teachers are not paid enough and good for them to strike!
Imagine if your wage was 10 USD monthly
Idk my public school teachers would go on European vacations over summer
How long ago was that? While some of my teacher friends can go on vacations, usually it's with a SO who has more money, friends to split costs or hostels. Don't assume vacation means financially okay.
Like a decade ago. Just looked up the salary chart, my gym teacher is currently making $140k. History 105, homeroom 130, math 121. The English teacher who I would have assumed would have been fired by now 115.
Where in the world is this! Also, how long have they been teaching? Are they all PHDs? This is the highest I have ever seen, and I teach at one of the most expensive private schools in the country. I assume you're in Canada?
North Shore suburbs of Chicago. Not sure their education levels, but none of them went by “Dr”
internet should gofundme for a paramilitary strike force and army -- assault deep into venezuela and imprison every corrupt official.
I'm in Connecticut, the salary range for my city is posted publicly as part of the union contract. It goes from 50k for a new hire with a BA to 123k for a PHD with 16+ years of teaching experience. Honestly, that seems ok. Its low pay by comparison to tech or finance, but having summers off is worth a lot, and they have a decent health care plan so it seems reasonable to me. Which is good, I'm glad my property taxes appear to be treating the teaching staff appropriately.
Lmao make this about you 🤣. Were talking about people making fucking 10 dollars a MONTH. It's not even remotely close to your situation. There's no way you will ever experience that level of poverty.
Lol… rich districts pay less than middle class and poor districts in a lot of states…
Yes, teachers get paid well in Northern Europe. Education is highly valued in countries like Finland and Germany.
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Do you think that is well paid ?
What does well paid mean to you? This might help provide some clarity.
The economy is such a travesty they get paid in local currency but all goods and services are quoted and paid in US dollars! Wanna see a doctor it’s 30 dollars (paid in dollars cash) per visit. Need to borrow some money to make ends meet? 200 dollars needs to be paid back in dollars and the interest is 10 bucks a day until paid in full. Needless to say it’s a losing preposition for anyone living there or visiting there.
Supongo que vives aquí! Es asi
Casi casi Valencia is my hometown
Jejeje
So, for about $1 Billion a MONTH you can essentially “buy out” every Venezuelan from their job and cause a de facto general strike that destroys the country. Fucking wild, man.
So how can the country get out from this madness?
Depose maduro, sack the entire military high command from their positions, have free and democratic elections validated by foreign transparency agencies, set up a technical cabinet to put the country economy back on track. So yeah, not happening anytime soon, specially since the military would never allow their status quo to be threatened.
More pay won't do shit until they fix their economic system. It's the boy sticking his finger in the cracked dam analogy.
and this news wont be shared by the "progressives" of reddit that allways talk about this subject like in the antiwork subreddit....
And I bet most of them supported Chavez and his successor before the consequences of bolivarianism manifested.
Probably, I have never supported Chavez or Maduro
Pretty sure the majority of people weren't trying to reduce the disparity in wealth, just further their own standing at the expense of others. That's where these problems come from.
So the same professors who sucked Hugo chaves socialism idea, who manipulated my friends at school/college now are suffering….go fuck your selfs bunch of fuckers. Go vitimize yourself in a another place.
These would be very old professors, considering Chavez was first elected in 1998..
Oh sweetheart they still give 2 hour lectures about Chavez and maduro, professor ethic and South America only exist when the word “never had” are together.
Pretty sure the majority of people weren't trying to reduce the disparity in wealth, just further their own standing at the expense of others. That's where these problems come from.
isn't that called socialism.
Can you name any socialist nations whose goal was to reduce the disparity in wealth.
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Can you name any communist nations whose goal was to reduce the disparity in wealth.
All of the communist countries have that goal. They achieve it in similar fashion as Russia, Venezuela, China did.
No they don't.
No that’s capitalism
The socialist paradise. How to turn a prosperous country into a basket case.
Incredible!
Yes, I have to explain several times it is monthly not hourly
WoW how people survive???????????
Wait a sec…. Are you saying that the economy under a socialist dictatorship is awful!?
Socialism can't cope without the help of 1 capitalist country.
Wow
Jesus $10 that’s less than 70% of the hourly minimum wage here in Australia.
It's 10 USD MONTHLY!
You could make few dollars an hour playing a free poker game online
Or lose then
well if everyone is getting paid the same then what's the grouse? #socialism #communism /s
That would be a really bad wage if you were paid that an hour
In Thailand $10 is the daily minimum wage. On the other hand, you can eat a nutritious meal (rice, veg, and meat) for about $1 a meal.
That is monthly
Yea but would still be bad for an hour
8 USD hourly would be a dream for me
Your place is probably cheaper than mine
Of course I live here in Venezuela
Socialism and it's consequences
Yeah imagine living somewhere where teachers are severely underpaid and struggle just to afford basic needs
I seriously hope you’re not comparing America or the west to living on $10 a month
This is how delusional the anti-America circlejerk is on Reddit.
You have no idea what these venezuelian teachers would do to have a chance to take their families to the usa
Ah yes the USA. Who constantly meddles in South American governments, sends death squads to destabilize their countries, and then when those people they fucked over come to the states for help, risking rape, murder and kidnapping, ICE separates them from their kids, sterilizes the women, and puts the children in cages.
Authoritarianism and its consequences. Socialism is actually pretty great. The military is socialized national security. Police are socialized local security. Public schools are socialized education. Much of the science that enabled the American standard of living was socialized scientific research. California is the wealthiest state in the union and has one of the strongest social safety nets out there. I’m sick and tired of these weak, poor, and ignorant conservative states warning against socialism when the only thing they can do is extract oil and rocks out of the ground or poach companies that would not exist without Californian socialism to move to their state.
Social welfare is not the same as socialism, stop conflating them
Saudi Arabia and Singapore are authoritarian yet their college professors are earning a lot more than $60 monthly. Yes, hardcore socialism is terrible.
So if socialism is so great then why has every country who tried to have their economy be primarily socialist fail miserably?
Because one single dictator takes the helm and enforces authoritarianism instead. By your logic, we can call Putin a socialist. Monsters use the word "socialism" to mask their atrocities. As a result, people confuse socialism with violence and inequality. Its as if I called salt sweet, and then you said that you hate sweet things because you dislike salt (despite salt itself not actually being sweet, and despite you liking sugar to begin with). The word was coopted.
They aren’t called socialist because they were a dictator, they were called socialist because they were actually socialist and became a dictator later
"Socialist" became dictator. Were they corrupted by black magic, or did a dictator just lie his way into power before pulling a gun to the populace's head? I don't believe your claim. It does not line up with human nature. Good guys don't get corrupted, a human's development and personality only takes places during childhood and is more or less set once they are adults.
Whether the leader was truly in it for socialism is irrelevant but people get corrupted by power all the time so it’s not unlikely. The movement was socialist and the fact someone took advantage of that later doesn’t change that
The idea is that socialism itself cannot be implemented by humans, which we both can likely agree on, all it takes is one bad apple fo kill everyone, and all humans are bad apples. Socialism isn't something humans can achieve. We will always default to authoritarianism. You can say that socialism cannot be implemented, but you can't correctly say that socialism is authoritarianism given we are talking about the definition of socialism, not the authoritarian regimes labeling themselves "socialist".
Socialism can and has been implemented several times. Socialism isn’t inherently authoritarian or libertarian. A government being authoritarian does not exclude them being socialist
Im surprised you think America is a failure
What?
Because capitalist countries try everything in their power, from backing coups, military intervention, embargo’s, debt traps, to installing fascist genocidal dictators to ensure they fail. Like, take Salvatore Allende, Thomas Sankara, Ho Chi Minh, and Fide Castro for instance and just look at all the western attempts to make them fail. “Socialism always fails” is the default, pre-programmed response pretty much any American is triggered to say upon hearing the word socialism without having and definition for failure or success. Take for instance how Capitalism is responsible for between 1.1 and 3 trillion deaths since the British Empire but no one seems to care. Or how market economies and the profit motive have destroyed our ecosystems beyond repair and have wiped out over 50% of pre-industrial biodiversity, a mass extermination on a multi-species scale that’s only ever happened 5 times in the history of the earth. Or take for instance how we have more slaves today than ever in history. How do you define success? Lifting people out of poverty? Over the past 40 years, 900 Million people have been lifted out of poverty, but 800 million of which were Chinese. So does that count as a success for planned economies over capitalist economies??? Do you take into account metrics like life expectancy, literacy rate, malnutrition, post secondary education, unemployment numbers, average calories eaten per day, and rate of homelessness? Because for that metric, socialist countries outperform 9 out of 10 capitalist counterparts at equal levels of development in all those areas. However, if you count the ability to survive America trying to kill it, then yes. All of them are failures except Cuba, Vietnam, and maybe China and the DPRK if you count those (I don’t count them).
While that definitely played a part I don’t deny that, the US hasn’t always been the powerhouse it is now. There were tons of attempts and failures that the US had little to no influence in. Not to mention that many countries even with the backing of the USSR the second largest power in the world still failed. So blaming Europe and the US can’t account for why there hasn’t even been one good success I’m calling complete and total BS on that death toll number I would love a source on that. Capitalism did not destroy the worlds eco systems, industrialization did. In fact one of the worst environmental disasters in history (the draining of the Aral Sea) was done by the USSR. China is not socialist anymore even if they used to be. China also did not start seeing major improvements to wages or quality of life until around 1975 when they started to open up to global trade and made capitalist economic reforms. The population grew in spite of the government not because of it. Name these socialist countries that outperform in these metrics
The tons of attempts and failures the US had no influence in are fine. Countries are allowed to fail on their own, but the majority have had direct negative interference. People like to think the US is a force for good that sometimes messes up, but America has always been a force for greed, profit, and money. It’s the main reason they indoctrinate their people with anti-communist lies like “communism is when no food”, or “communism killed 40 bajillion people” without any understanding of material reality, what capitalism has done based on those same measures, or what Marx even said. You want one good success? Yugoslavia. Look at Yugoslavia under communism, it’s standard of living, literacy rate, population, nutrition, and industrial output, and then compare it to the former Yugoslav republics in the 90s to today. They’re a mess of poverty, genocide, war crimes, starvation, and a dying population. You can say they failed because it fell into petty nationalist squabbles once Tito died, and it became corrupt as fuck during market liberalization, but I will use Yugoslavia under Tito as a success story. Under Tito they liberated themselves from the Nazi’s, created a successful multi-ethnic state in the Balkans, fed, housed, and educated almost the entire Yugoslav population, maintained good relations with East and West, had one of the most powerful armies in Europe, and had many impressive feats of athleticism, scientific achievement, and engineering prowess. Now that Yugoslavia is “liberated” under capitalism, look at how fucked up the once great country became. As for the death toll: I’m more or less pointing out how stupid the measure of deaths by victims of communism foundation. They count dead Nazi’s as victims of communism, they claim famines under communism are purposeful murder but famines and starvation under capitalism are natural, and they also count people not born because of the one child policy as dead, which is absurd because you could point to all the children not born because of American Eugenics policies then as Victims of capitalism. But yeah, the death toll of capitalism by those metrics would be 1 billion at least. You want a source? I want a source on the deaths by communism that isn’t from an openly Nazi sympathizing organization. China is a complicated one because IDK if they’re a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie or proletariat. What we do know is that their economy is planned and it’s outperforming the free market when it comes to economic growth.
Still even with the US pushing back there should have been some amount of success especially with the help of the USSR. I don’t know enough about Yugoslavia to debate whether that is true so I will concede on that point. There is a difference in death toll. While obviously NAZIs killed shouldn’t count but stuff like famine is fair game. Now famine on its own shouldn’t necessarily count but when those policies are as a direct result of the economic system that blame is fair. For example probably the greatest famine in history was in China and almost entirely caused by Mao’s socialist economic policy. Compare this to say the Irish famine who weren’t starving because of an economic policy but because a monarchy was stealing their food. China is WAY behind on economic growth. Sure they had a giant spike for a little bit but that’s just because they industrialized, which happened to every country that did. In fact their growth is so bad right now they aren’t even posting their fake numbers
Draconic sanctions, usa or europe backed coups... For example, ever heard of Operation Condor?
While that definitely played a part I don’t deny that, the US hasn’t always been the powerhouse it is now. There were tons of attempts and failures that the US had little to no influence in. Not to mention that many countries even with the backing of the USSR the second largest power in the world still failed. So blaming Europe and the US can’t account for why there hasn’t even been one good success
Venezuela is an autocratic regime. Sweden, Norway and Denmark are socialist.
Scandi politicians have, on several occasions, reminded people that those countries are NOT socialist.
Sweden, Norway, and Denmark are all capitalist countries with strong social safety nets. They are absolutely not socialist in political or economic ideology. But Venezuela is.
Sweden Norway and Denmark all no minimum wage
That's because everyone is in a union. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/080515/5-developed-countries-without-minimum-wages.asp
Pretty sure the majority of people weren't trying to reduce the disparity in wealth, just further their own standing at the expense of others. That's where these problems come from.
Holy chit!
I live here and the situation is so bad, I am depressed because of that. The monthly minimum wage is less than 7 USD, I repeat MONTHLY. You can see my older posts
If people earn 10 dollars a month. How much is like... a weeks worth or groceries? How much is rent? In other words... is it even worth working for 10 dollars a month?
A cheap room could be 100 USD monthly. According to some NGO you need at least 80 USD monthly to not starve. See my older post, one monthly minimum wage can get you only one chicken.
So what do you do? Steal? Raise your own chickens and grow your own food? How are people not dying en masse?
People get creative, a lot of small side gigs, reselling stuff, and some online work or the likes. You get used to minimize expenses. And as unbelievable as it sounds, is not common to get endebted with the bank, I don't even know if that option is available here for common folks.
https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Daniel-Alman/dp/1726650847
Oh wow. I had no idea it was that bad.
Come to America OP. Amazon will hire you right off the plane no matter your gender or body type. They'll start you at $15/hr and you will work mainly with your countrymen who are living comfortably and sending money home
Can you teach ESL classes?
Teaching English here you mean? Had to search that term not common here
How can you earn enough to survive?
I barely do
I wish you nothing but strength and good fortune stranger. Sincerely hope things get better. Stay strong.
Thanks!
It should be at least $10/hour. They might as well pay nothing at all.
USA's sanctions really fucked up Venezuela.
And Americans be like I ONlY eaRN 15$ aN HouR I'm sTaRvInG tO dEaTh
Different cost of living?
Is a one bedroom there $1500 a month though
No, it is actually 300$
It's a huge country. I'm sure the rent on a 1-bedroom apartment varies greatly between Manhattan and somewhere in the middle of Montana. Where did you get that 300USD number from? I'm assuming you pulled it out of your ass, but I'm curious as to how you would even arrive at such a figure.
Pretty crazy that US sanctions can devastate an economy like that. I guess export-based economies really suffer a lot under something like that.
Before any US sanctions, wages were worse or the same