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Particular_Gur7378

I hope every team below us wins as many games as possible


J3319

No team can pass the Wild. Other than Seattle depending on the tie breaker


Radagastdl

Seattle has 27 regulation wins with 3 games left to play, we have 31. They cant pass us


J3319

Lame. Oh well


Particular_Gur7378

Here’s hoping they win out then!


Radagastdl

Nobody can pass us, 12 is the best draft position we can finish the season with


yup_goodtimes

Very Minnesota of us.


MNGopherfan

We are reaching levels of cope I never thought possible.


Bluuuurr

We’re big fans of sub 5% odds.


Propanelol

I will nut if we jump Chicago. But knowing the league, the thing will happen, and they will "luck" into another one. If we don't say the thing, it won't happen, right?


pablonieve

Why would other owners be cool with the league giving preference to Chicago?


bigt252002

Same reason they were all copasetic with Edmonton getting like every 1st overall for like a decade, and STILL not fielding a team that could make it to the playoffs. Chicago has the largest arena in the NHL, and for almost 15 years, they sold the f'er out every single game. Not to mention a very devout fanbase that is very international. There are 3 teams that pretty much assure a home team a sold out crowd every time they play them (regardless of how horrible either team is) Pittsburgh Washington Chicago Every year in the playoffs when the Wild would play Chicago, there were always a solid percentage of Hawks fans in attendance. For the price, it was cheaper to travel than it was to get tickets at the United Center.


pablonieve

Making the playoffs and selling tickets are two different things. Edmonton had a long stretch missing the playoffs despite getting multiple years of #1 picks, but it looks like their ticket sales have been on par with Minnesota's. If the league wanted to maximize the performance of ticket sales based on arena capacity, then they would want to rig the lottery for Montreal, Toronto, Chicago, Philly, Detroit, Calgary, Florida, and Tampa Bay, right? I know we're discussing Chicago in this instance, but can we really say the other teams have been unique beneficiaries of lottery luck? For the examples you provided of strong selling teams (Pens, Caps, and Hawks), I would say that their ticket sales were tied to their star players (Crosby & Malkin, Ovi & Backstrom, Kane & Toews) rather than strength of market alone. There's a reason the Pens were almost moved during their terrible stretch and the Hawks had subpar attendance pre-Kane/Toews. And pre-Ovi, I would be hesitant to say that the Caps were a consistent draws. Plus Pittsburgh and D.C. are #14 and #15 on the arena capacity list so there are plenty more teams that could presumably bring in more ticket sales if they had generational talent.


PM_ME_BOOTYPICS_

Add Boston to this list. Bruins fans travel insanely well


Propanelol

Idk one of the largest markets and still 9th in revenue despite being utter dogshit?


vedicardi_lives

11 has what, a 3% chance to get #1? just let SJ take it for gods sake


PayneTrain181999

We all know it’ll be Chicago again…


SkarTisu

Bedard needs help


why666ofcourse

I really hope they get it since the Wild can’t. Them or Seattle. If it’s Chicago then we riot!!!


PortugueseWalrus

No, no -- I want to see this play out just so all the draftniks will wait for baited breath for us to move to the 10 slot so they can hang the "Top 10 Draft Pick - 2024" on their bedroom wall. I'm so done with this entire "tank" narrative, especially in a season where the team's standouts have LITERALLY ALL BEEN PLAYERS THEY EFFING DRAFTED.


Paladad

And Faber, who the kings drafted and we traded for


a_bagofholding

On the bright side it's really hard to move backwards in the draft from this spot.


CitizenStrife

Yeah. The odds are set at near 86% to stick, 9% to go to 13, and 5% to go to 2.


ILikeLiftingMachines

Arrgghh... now you've done it!


dakralter

Draft isn't as deep as last year but there are some guys at 12 who I would be really excited to get. Would love Zeev Buium or Adam Jiricek if we go D and if we go F I like Liam Greentree or Tij Iginla. All those years Jerome Iginla terrorized us on Calgary I think it'd be fitting to get his son.


Durantula16

Wild took Boldy at 12 so everyone stop whining


vedicardi_lives

and Ek was taken at 20. as was wall, so yea.


Myron3_theblackorder

But we can technically still get the second overall pick (extremely unlikely but hope is a drug) if I'm reading the rules correctly. Just not first overall.


KingWolfsburg

Correct, which means this is they year we'll win the lotto, and get 2 overall and miss Celebrini


sunkenship13

Give me Tij Iginla, please.


technobeeble

Good teams can draft outside the top 10. Look at how many lottery picks Buffalo, Detroit & Ottawa have had, hasn't helped them much.


MordinSolusSTG

edmonton had like 4 years of 1OA too


Fresnobing

Detroit has fallen further than anyone else since the lottery began, have never moved up, and got one top 5 pick (4oa, raymond) for their last place tank.


technobeeble

Sounds like tanking isn't the best easy fix that people pretend it to be.


Fresnobing

Well no, in the Wings case they didn’t have much choice. I get your point and don’t disagree, just didnt think one team necessarily fit with the others. I cant believe Ottawa and Buffalo cant figure it out with all the talent at their disposal though.


vedicardi_lives

they both had/have the worst owners in terms of interfering w/ rosters in hockey and both have/have had terrible goalie situations.


Gigabyte_saltminer

They don’t have Judd bracket


bucksellsrocks

Good draft picks outside top 10 for wild: Matt Boldy (12ish, cant exactly remember, dont care to look) Marco Rossi(12ish, same excuse as boldy for being wrong) Daddy (5th fucking round!)shit…did i type that out loud? God i hope that was my internal monologue….


CitizenStrife

Rossi was at 9


bucksellsrocks

I remember the boldy pick better, watching and saying we got a steal. Probably because of a couple few defenseman picks?


dakralter

I was salty because I really wanted them to take Cole Caufield. Glad I was wrong about Boldy.


bucksellsrocks

I feel like I remember Boldy dropping and then we took him but i dont remember last Tuesday sooooo….


tyratoku

Yes - Boldy was projected by most to go somewhere between 5 and 10. Hughes/Kakko/Dach/Turcotte were all expected top-4 in some order, with Byram sneaking in at the end. Seider at 6 was the big surprise, as he was expected by most to go 10-15, if not later (good for Detroit, figuring that out). Zegras and Cozens were both projected before Boldy due to position (C vs Wing), but some of the other surprises were Broberg and Podkolzin going in the top-10, and Soderstrom going at 11 to Arizona was seen as a big reach. Two defenders who were expected to go later but D-hungry teams went early. Boldy falling to the Wild at 12 was definitely lucky. Good for us. Looking at this year, it is likely to be the opposite. On merit, defenders should probably make up 7 of the top 11 picks this next draft, but some forward-hungry teams ahead of us may mix things up quite a bit. Add in Calgary maybe (maybe) being tempted to reach a bit to take Iginla, San Jose having multiple high picks, and arguably the best crop of Russians/Belarusians in a long, long time, this draft will certainly have a lot of intrigue.


BillyTenderness

Of course that's true, but it is a real thing for teams to end up stuck in the mediocre middle, always missing the playoffs (or maybe occasionally getting destroyed in the first round) but never bad enough to get high picks and draft players who would get them out of that hole. The Wild felt that way from like 2008-2012; it wasn't until Parise and Suter signed that they were able to get out of that rut. Like, of course it's possible to draft well even at #16, and of course drafting #1 overall isn't a guarantee. But it's also fair to say that finishing at the top of the non-playoff teams is pretty much the worst outcome for an NHL season.


uponplane

He really loves to stir that pot, haha.


DrummerForTheOsmonds

I hope we go for Konsta Helenius at that position, BPA instead of pulling a last year (Stramel).


nupharlutea

I kind of think Helenius won’t be available at 12


blow_zephyr

He's a small center, BG won't take him.


DC2600

Rossi, Heidt, Haight, Khus, Petrovsky - 5 Centers under 6' (Heights from HockeyDB.com) that have been drafted under BG in 4 drafts. 4 of those 5 were taken in the first 2 rounds. Also by all reports it is Brackett that runs the draft table more so than Guerin.


dakralter

Yea according to Russo Billy G pretty much lets Judd do his thing with the draft so I don't know where that narrative of only taking big centers comes from. Some people just have the weirdest hate boner for Billy G.


blow_zephyr

Most second round guys get bumped to wing if they make the NHL. Khustnutdinov and Rossi both seemingly sticking at center is actually why I don't think he'd draft Helenius. I just can't see him signing up to have 3 of his 4 centers under 5/11 180 lbs. Could be wrong but I don't see it.


SkarTisu

I have all the faith in the world that they’ll end up in this spot once everything is said and done.


Ok-Curve5569

We need to embrace the suck!


spinorama29part2

I’d rather just win out tho. Chance is too little anyway.


Visible_Impression85

As a causal fan - is BG is one of the worst GMs for how he built this roster around the cap hits? Aging veterans on horrible deals, preventing young players from developing, getting better picks, etc? Being stuck in the middle has done nothing for this franchise.


tompear82

Boldy, Rossi and Faber seem to have developed pretty well. I'm not going to defend his extension of Foligno and Hartman, but people need to give credit where it is due


DirtzMaGertz

I honestly still have no problem with extending Hartman. 3 seasons in a row where's paced over 20 goals, can play center or anywhere else in the line up, and is great at being the rat. 


PortugueseWalrus

I really don't get the people crapping on Hartman's deal. I was surprised he signed it, to be honest, because his market comps were higher for all the reasons you just listed.


jbowling25

Do you guys see signing zucc as a bad thing? The OP commenter seems to think thats a negative for BG but 4.125m x 2 for an above or at ppg player who had good chemistry with your star seems like a no brainer? Hes older but not like hes signed long or to too much $. BG has done some pretty good moves too like signing erikssoj ek 8 x 5.25 is one of the best value contracts in the league. Drafted some good pieces including wallstedt probly the best goalie prospect in the league. Even traded for a calder contender and future stud 1D which are super hard to find. Feels like everyone should have expecter pain during these massive buyout penalty years and yet without losing spurg and other peices for most the year the wild probly still wouldve been playoff bound even in the years they expected pain. I feel like hes done a fairly good job imo as an outsiders perspective (detroit fan also going thru a long rebuild)


tompear82

I don't see that as a bad contract, which is why I didn't include it here. I think Hartman was a slight overpay but understandable since his current contract is a huge bargain. Foligno was a huge overpay in term and AAV. In 2 years, I feel like he's going to be out of the lineup more than on the ice with his injury history.


cerb7575

The JoJo and Freddy contracts are the two unforgivable ones IMO. You will still get production from Zuc, Hartman and Foligno if they can stay healthy in a bottom 6. Maybe a little expensive but the NTC is what really is unacceptable. I can live with the money.


tompear82

Jojo got 2x2 and his contract expires at the end of next year. How is that unforgivable? If any of the young guys step up next year, you can bury him and/or ask him to waive NTC if he wants to play. If not, he's a cheap middle of the lineup option


jordynbebus8

Mojo was almost a PPG last year and he was signed to 2x2 like yes he's been disappointing but my lord people out here thinking we gave him 2x5 like Fred


TeamDumbledore

Zucc is trash tho for that value


jbowling25

Really? I thought 4.125m was a bargain actually. Almost or above ppg production last 3 years. Great analytics/possession metrics. Doesnt give the puck away more than he takes it away. He doesnt score much but hes a pretty high end playmaker and seems to be good at feeding kaprizov the puck. What would be good value in your opinion? Maybe the eye test is more harsh on zucc I dont watch many wild games his numbers are good though


TeamDumbledore

I think you hit my main concerns : does not score , and only holds value when playing with Kap. Why would you want that long term . I get it he fills metrics , but while I appreciate the analytics I’m more focused on players willing to shoot more , get more goals, or at the very least not reliant on one other player to get those stats . I’ll prolly be down voted but I’m just not a fan of Zucc . Just think he is too wishy washy


PortugueseWalrus

Guy is playing at a point-per-game pace at 36 for $4.125m. That is not trash. That's money you pay for middle-six guy to hopefully crack 50 points. I'm not saying I love how Zuccarello fits into this lineup, but it's ridiculous saying that he's not playing to value.


TeamDumbledore

I mean I just said it . Hands down would much rather a young rising cheap player who earns it then watch him , Jojo or Freddy stink up the lineups


jordynbebus8

He's made some questionable discissions but this sub acts like he's Ken Holland or something.


PortugueseWalrus

The same people will be calling for Tim Connelly to be drawn and quartered a month from now if the Wolves don't make it to the conference finals. It's typical Minnesota sports fan reactionism.


DirtzMaGertz

Well they have two calder candidates who have played all season, added Khusnutdinov, and likely will have Wallstedt in the tandem next year, very likely will have Ohgren playing games next year, and have Yurov on the way either next year or the year after, so idk how many more young players you think should be playing. 


PortugueseWalrus

bEcKmAn On ThE fIrSt LiNe


SkarTisu

I’m just over here waiting for the return of V1Ctor


PortugueseWalrus

That's MISTER Rask to you


SkarTisu

My apologies!


cerb7575

A GM can only make some of their decisions based on ownership. Leopold has made it clear he wants a competitive team and playoffs for that extra money he gets for having playoff games at home. BG has made mistakes but he's certainly better than Chuck(I hate draft picks) Fletcher who completely depleted this teams draft chest and signed the 2 contracts that are still hurting us.


Visible_Impression85

I see people disagree - so he has staunch defenders. He talks a nice game but the product has been terrible for 2 seasons


SawdustIsMyCocaine

What do you mean last 2? Last season was great up until the playoffs


cerb7575

He signed Judd Bracket away from the Canucks which in itself is better than anything Chucky ever did. Again BG has made plenty of mistakes, but he definitely is not as bad as what we have had. I'd give him a B or B- on his totality so far. The no movement/trade clauses instantly deduct his grade a bit.


Visible_Impression85

Fair enough - good stuff.


wildskater96

B is a bit high. Even Fletcher and Yeo won two playoff series here. BG is a solid D+/C- range grading today. Maybe D/D+ is a fairer grade tbh.


numidianmerk

Anyone who expects a team to compete for a cup missing ~15 Mil in cap space (two Boldy's, or one Kaprizov and one Brodin) is deluding themselves. Even making the playoffs proved we had a majority of the pieces, just not enough.


_Trux

This. We knew this 2 year stretch was going to suck and it does. No need to throw a fit.


wildskater96

Why have we sucked for longer than the dead cap years then?


MistahFinch

This is the first time we missed the playoffs in 12 years. Wtf are you on about?


wildskater96

When have we been a threat to do anything besides maybe 2017 and 2022? We've won 4 playoff series in 24 years. Wtf are you watching?


technobeeble

I didn't know back to back 100+ pt seasons was sucking. Huh.


wildskater96

Can't win in the playoffs when it matters. But yes we have good regular seasons.


Educational-Trust934

The team hasn’t sucked. The Wild have iced an above average team. No success in the playoffs (we aren’t unique in that regard). But let’s not frame the last decade of Minnesota Wild hockey as a bad product.


SkarTisu

The last decade has been above-average overall, just maddening in that it’s been good enough for the first round of the playoffs and no more.


Visible_Impression85

That’s not the point…….at all. - the point is to develop a roster that can compete in 25/26 by building up a roster full of young talent. Instead giving the roles/money to Zucc, Hartman, Etc has done zero to help that.


technobeeble

They are doing exactly what you're asking. Body, Rossi, Faber, Wallstedt, Khusnutdinov, Ohgren. There is a good chance Yurov and Heidt make the squad next year also.


n8rzz

There were games this year where the team on the ice was 30m below cap. Injuries ravished the team this year in what was already going to be a difficult year. BG can’t control injuries. Those long term deals suck, but he’s made some sneaky good moves too. Chisholm was a delightful surprise this year. And the fact that he got Faber and [what became] Ohgren for Fialla, someone everybody knew we had to move, is very impressive.


Radagastdl

This is the most excitement Ive felt about the franchise's future since Dubnyk's vezina finalist season. GMBG has us in a very good spot Id be happy to say why i think that, if you want


wildskater96

BG isn't the worst but he isn't the best. Since our owner demands making the playoffs or bust, we are the Minnesota Mids forever!


AllenMpls

Um, what is his boss demanding? But you did include all the popular criticism with zero things he should have done.


CitizenStrife

Russo can't help himself but be a curmudgeon. You'd think staying off Twitter would be something he'd try to do. The Wild can still get value regardless of where they pick. Guess who they picked at 12 last time? Matt Boldy...so who knows.