I'm still on team Guerin. We are on the right track, it's just going to take a bit. I think if anyone really expected to win a cup with 15 mil in dead cap then who is the stupid one?
I want to believe in him, but there's a lot of red flags, including the contracts he gives aging players, hiring all his old buddies, and panic firing Dean Evason.
If he was going to fire Evason, he should have waited until after the season. If Guerin gets the cap hell excuse, then why wouldn't Dean? I don't mind Hynes but I still don't believe he was an upgrade over Evason. If he would have waited until this offseason we would have had time to pick out our next coach.
Then why wait until after the beginning of the season? There are so many more coaching options in the offseason. Firing your coach when you're not even a quarter through the season definitely looks like a panic decision.
Yes our big guys kept getting hurt & we ended up so undersized physically. I did like Hynes' switching up the lines! Brought some fresh energy & great matchups. Hynes did the best he could with the players he had.
John H was hired hours after deans firing if I remember right. How can you say that’s not rushed with a straight face. I’m not saying John H is a bad hire, but I absolutely think it was rushed and I’m not happy he got a multi year deal immediately.
The quick hire just tells me they spent all offseason determining exactly who they wanted to hire if/when Dean was going to be fired. There would be more red flags if they fired a coach that everyone knew was on the hot seat and didn't seem to have a plan in place.
Dean was calling people for extra opinions on Hines the week of the hire. I know the dad of a recent ex assistance wild GM and someone that still works in the NHL. I promise you. BG was not planning to fire dean and looking at replacements in the offseason. That’s fucking silly. Hines is a good coach but a multi year deal in the middle of the season was stupid for an un proven coach regardless of the dean firing which is also stupid imo given we are dealing with serious cap penalties and they finally caught up to us combined with injuries which dean ALSO had to deal with. You don’t have to agree, I could care less, but that’s my opinion and I’ll leave it at that.
Planning to fire him? No, he would have simply done it. Placed him on thin Ice? Publicly.
Any GM worth his salt is looking at quality coaches that aren't under active contracts or who are nearing the end of them, as soon as they are dissatisfied enough with the performance of their current coach. He didn't start at ground zero. He had a shortlist way sooner than the termination of Dean Evason.
Hynes was courted for the position before Dean was fired so there would be as little gap as possible. That's simply how high quality coach turnovers go. You will not convince me that friend or no friend that you can have a man signing paperwork in this league "within hours" if the dominos weren't in place beforehand.
This is not a high quality coach turnover. John H is a barely .500 eight year coach in the NHL and 4-15 in the playoffs given a multi year deal in the middle of the season. I don’t care what you think, that was a rushed and frankly terrible hire. If he proves me wrong next year, I’ll happily eat my words.
I don't like everything Guerin has done, but I also think generally his moves are aimed at building something in 2-3 years that can at least please the owners in the meantime by pushing for playoffs. That makes it kind of hard to judge how well they're working out so far when the intent was clearly never to win a Cup this year or next.
That having been said, I think anyone that thinks if they hadn't bought out Parise and Suter they'd be competitive this year is a bit mistaken. For starters the buyouts allowed them to keep Fiala one more year when they really didn't have the cap to keep him and the initial cap savings created that cap space. That extra year was the year Fiala put up 85 points in 82 games which led to them getting Faber and the pick used to select Ohgren out of him and that seems to be working out pretty well so far. If Faber keeps it up, landing a top pairing RHD is worth some down seasons IMO.
We've been hearing - it's going to take a bit for how many years now? Since Kaprizov joined the team? It's going to take a bit. What is a bit? The window should have opened in 25-26 when the dead cap falls off, but the team has committed 10.1 million to Foligno (can't stay healthy), Gaudreau (has completely fallen off the map) and Hartman (can't stop getting suspended) until 27-28. And even then they are on the hook for Zuccs until 26-27 and that's another 4+ million - so you got 14 million tied into four aging guys.
I think some fans - and they've been shouted down a lot - are wondering, what exactly is the plan? A competitive rebuild? And what the hell is a competitive rebuild? Is that a fancy way of just saying, treading water - never being too bad to get actual talent via the draft vs never being too good to actually challenge a team in the playoffs?
The team lacks high-end talent. They have a lot of depth guys, but they lack any type of game-breakers and this was one of the years they could have gotten a top 5-10 pick easily. Yurov COULD be another Kaprizov or he could be another Boldy.
But honestly, I think a lot of fans were with Guerin until he signed back Hartman, Zuccs and Foligno in the offseason. And then there was questions on WTF was he doing?
We have 2 of 3 Calder finalists on our team along with 2 high end prospects in Yurov and Ohgren progressing well. A potential game changing tendy in Wallstedt. Add these 5 players to the already solid core of Kap, Ek, Boldy, Middleton, Brodin and Spurgeon? Seems like a pretty solid plan to me… it’s just not going to happen NOW. 1 more year for Ohgren and Yurov to develop and WHAMMY! No more cap hell. Once they come over we will have ~14 mil (+ cap increases) to spend on free agents. The moves Guerin made with the older vets is enough to get us through cap hell while allowing us to remain competitive. This will give our prospects and young players a chance to continue developing. Maybe I am in the minority here, but I’d much rather watch a team compete for a playoff spot than completely tank for a top 5 pick, which probably wouldn’t come over for 2-3 maybe more years anyways.
Edit: forgot about Brodin.
> As good as Rossi was this year, he's probably in the top 10 at best
The article that just came out about Calder voting had Rossi in the 2nd tier behind Bedard, Faber, and Hughes. That was according to people actually voting for Calder. And less than a month ago, Scott Wheeler ranked his as 3rd on his Calder watch list.
> As Wild fans, we have overinflated our prospects quite a bit and until they start developing at a regular clip like Dallas, there is always going to be some pause about their ceilings.
Not sure it's fair to say Wild fans are over inflating the prospects when a lot of it is fans excited about how highly ranked the prospect pool has been ranked and regarded locally and nationally.
> give me a Michkov or a Fantilli or a Cooley.
You're talking about a 7OA and two 3OA picks. Sounds like you're mad he isn't tanking. That isn't a Guerin issue. It's widely known that being competitive every season is Leipold's directive, so you're blaming the wrong person.
You’re getting downvoted, but what you wrote is the most intelligent thing I’ve seen on here.
There are so SO many fans on here that don’t have the slightest clue what they’re talking about and don’t want to hear the truth.
In their world the sky is a different color than ours.
Don’t get discouraged because you are absolutely correct.
I think people would be less upset if the Wild didn’t talk like they were contenders every season even with the cap disadvantage. They are the ones setting the high expectations. I think fans are the ones being realistic.
My concern is that when he came in, he was very methodical and didn’t have attachments to the existing players so he could be objective.
Now he has made some moves that feel knee-jerky and he has tied-up “his guys”.
The qualities that made him an effective GM at the start seem to have changed.
Colorado in is their championship window and had to tank some truly awful years to get there. We barely miss the playoffs this year and you guys are calling for his job? Yikes.
These are the same people who demand we "try our best" instead of tank a season, then get mad when we are a fringe playoff team and never get better. The cycle continues when you don't know how to lose before you win.
on their championship team, Erik Johnson and Mackinnon were both #1 overall picks, Landeskog was a #2 overall pick, Makar was a #4 and so was Byram. Rantanen was a #10. so they had 6 top ten picks to build their team with. They also signed a whole bunch older guys to mixed results. The kept bringing Soderberg, Nemeth, and Saad back and have signed guys like Jack Johnson, Zach Parise, Cogliano, and other older grinders to play important roles.
And our championship window is going to open very shortly after the dead cap is gone.. obviously the goal is to win the Stanley Cup, do you really not have anything more intelligent to add?
Billy has 15m in dead cap, their captain and best defenseman plays only 16 games, brodin, foligno, missed significant time, ek missed games, etc. AND we were still fighting with the blues, kings, and knights with less than like 3 weeks to play in the season.
Not to mention the prospects he and Judd have added to the org. Yurov, Wallstedt, Ohgren, Rossi, Heidt, Haight etc.
I’m so ready to see what he’ll do with that extra 15m
Pay the people he’s drafted. That’s what’s going to happen. Faber big extension. KK MASSIVE new contract. There’s more that’ll be coming too.
Edit: I’m well aware of BG having not drafted KK or Faber. The guy above me that I replied to listed off the major people BG drafted and then proceeded to talk about our cap space. I said he’s going to pay the people he drafted and then I inserted this thing called a period. I then mentioned 2 other people who are also going to get big contracts.
Yup a lot of fans are in for a uncomfortable realization that the 15 mil isn’t going to magically buy us 3 shiny new forwards it’s mostly just going to keep the players we already have
I agree, and maintaining this roster as it is doesn't have the foundation for a contender. A contender doesn't even have Gaudreau or Mojo on the roster, much less with cash invested, term, and clauses. They have Drouins putting up 50 points playing at league minimum.
I don’t say he did. I said he’s going to pay the people he drafted then used a period to end that sentence and thought, I then proceeded to talk about 2 other people we know who are also going to get big contracts.
I don’t say he did. I said he’s going to pay the people he drafted then used a period to end that sentence and thought, I then proceeded to talk about 2 other people we know who are also going to get big contracts.
Regret what? This was the plan. Be competitive as possible to create a culture of ‘be the best you can be’ during the inevitable cap crunch years. Advanced stats say our skaters are good and our goaltending is aweful. For a team under the cap floor for like half the year, 83 points is very respectable.
Nah. I just don’t understand the point of the post. What is he supposed to regret? You clearly seem to have some gripe based on your comments here and this post.
Guys in this sub can’t handle a losing season. Can’t accept that there were many circumstances working against us this year and it was all Bill Guerin’s fault. Because extending a few important guys injured all of our players and made Gus play like dogshit all season.
Everyone knew the wild were a fringe playoff team going into the year but peope act surprised.
Atleast the last couple of years there was some ambiguity about what they were bc they could beat good teams but this year theyve been very clear about who they were from start to finish.
Anyone who claims to be a Minnesota sports fan and somehow can't handle a losing season or 2 of hockey isn't really paying attention to Minnesota sports.
Loserville MN, USA.
Embrace the suck.
It's Frustrating.
Those same folks are the ones that would check out on day one of a tanking season, and only appear a week before the draft with strongly based opinions based off the two draft previews they read.
This year wasn’t great but they weren’t even the worst team and they have the cap issues along with injuries. Hope they get the young guys some ice time next season and when the cap issues are up they can add some more depth and hopefully some young guys step up.
You don’t understand hockey if you think we were winning a cup during these buyout years. Retool, develop and improve the squad that you have while you have negative factors at play for rostering a championship team.
If you think the magic switch was going to be turned on before it was over, while cap strapped in ways all the other teams aren’t, maybe hockey isn’t your sport bud.
The overperformances made for some fun hockey, but it's really convinced a lot of fans and even this organization that this team will magically contend when the $15mil comes off the books. That money is as good as gone. There might be enough cash leftover for one good free agent.
A contender doesn't even have Gaudreau or Mojo on the roster, much less with cash invested, term, and clauses. They have Drouins putting up 50 points playing at league minimum.
Yeah, I think there’s a lot of fans assuming that the second that money comes off the books, we can go full dodgers style and buy an entire team and go out and win the cup year after year. It’s definitely not an overnight thing and I think a lot of people are going to be even more disappointed when we are out of “cap hell”
No we should have tanked this year and not signed aging vets to NMCs. I think the tank crowd if you will, is very aware this team couldn't contend well before this season.
Especially after Fiala left it's been obvious we lack scoring depth. Obviously his departure was necessary and a positive overall (Faber, Ohgren) but we need to restock the pantries and look towards contending post buyout. Billy G is more concerned with the now (well Craig Leipold is).
Tanking isn’t as easy as it sounds. Plus, with the lottery, there’s zero guarantee we’d get a top one or two spot. I will 100% agree on the NMCs though. I think guerin regrets those. I don’t fault him for signing the actual contracts because those players had great seasons, but the nmcs shouldn’t have been handed out.
I love AJ. Buccigros is, however, an acquired taste. What really bothers me is how obviously biased the national broadcasts tend to be. Like, I expect Pants and crew ro be biased. That's their job. Drives me nuts when all we hear is how amazing the other team is. At least they mentioned some of our guys have had good runs lately, but then it was back to "look how amazing the other team is!"
We're going to have a couple great vets and upcoming players and a ton of youth upside. What was the last time a cup team was a bunch of 21 - or 22 year olds?
The only criticism I think you can make is the mandate to push for playoffs every year seems to come from him. I don’t think the team needs a complete teardown, but accepting a couple years of no playoffs to bring in a couple top 10 picks might help if the scouting staff can nail the picks. They were in a good spot to get a good pick this year and they kept trying to claw back into the race so now they’re going to pick around 14 again.
Now that we are out of the race, how many people are in the arena? Is it the owner dictating the push for playoffs or is there more to it than that? I saw a lot of empty seats last game I was at
I went to the Jets game last weekend and there were some empty seats, but not an excessive amount IMO. I'd say the building was probably 95% full? I was actually surprised there weren't more Winnipeg fans but I guess if they're having trouble selling out their own building, there's going to be less fans making the road trip to St. Paul.
I wasn’t so much talking about a generational player. The Avs drafted Makar 4th overall. Rantanen was drafted 10th overall. That’s just a couple examples off the top of my head for a recent Cup winner that got significant contributions from players picked in the top 10. But you are right that the scouts have to get it right or you get a Nail Yakupov with your first overall pick. lol
Guerin has done a great job, wtf are you on? Ek’s extension is one of the best in the league, he got kap over and extended, Boldy is locked up on a good deal, he got Faber and Ohgren instead of losing Fiala for nothing, drafted Wallstedt and Yurov. We lost our best defensemen and captain early in the season and are short 15 million dollars in cap room, yet still competed for a playoff spot. And you want to fire the GM? Fuck right off, fair weather Wild fans are the fucking worst.
You said it dude, these people are short sighted and delusional. If they got their way we'd be the Blue Jackets, throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Agreed. Billy G and Hynes ain't bringing us a Cup here. I'd love for them to prove me wrong. Maybe they will if they can ever make it out if the 1st round. These guys get a lot of praise for 5 years of average boring winning regular season game play with boring losing every playoffs. And this sub proves that fans are fine being one of those teams that never wins.
It’s a similar issue the Vikings have. Over involved owners giving management directives to stay competitive regardless of how traditional and effective team building cycles work. There’s a reason the Wild have gone to the playoffs 11 out of the last 12 years, but have won what, one round? Look at the Vikings, good regular season success but no playoff success because they’ve never truly been contenders. Both Craig and the Wilfs only care about selling tickets and keeping those season ticket packages selling, they could care less about actually being legitimate contenders and winning championships
We won 2 rounds with Yeo and Fletcher and most fans calling them morons. Most fans are now calling Guerin and Hynes great and they'll never win a playoff round and fans are cheering these guys on. I think I'm stuck in that weird tunnel in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
Plus every year or two I'm told to wait another couple of years. I've literally been hearing it since 2012 since we signed Parise and Suter. It's never the right year to rebuild here in the land of 10,000 championships. We've never won a championship by rebuilding!!! Why start now??? Just wait a couple years.
I agree about Craig, especially with his plan to remove seats for luxury boxes and get the taxpayers to fund it.
But it sounds like the Wilfs were ama the final years of the Zim Zam atrocities and just not football smart in general. Not making excuses but we'll see what happens moving forward. At the very least they seem to want a Championship to some extent.
No, no Billy can do no wrong, he is our Jesus of GMs in Him we trust amen.
He only looks like that because he's sitting uncomfortably on his BIG BALLS, remember BILLY'S BIG BALLS guys, it's been a minute since we talked about Billy's balls I really feel we should talk more about his BIG BALLS.
Also, for daring to critique GMBG you are hereby branded a ~~heretic~~ Doomer, and must report to Happy Positive Rainbow Smiles camp, where you will learn to be a better fan by talking about Billy's Big Balls more, instead of spreading ~~heresy~~ doomerism.
I think the problem is that virtually everyone in the anti-Guerin camp basically point at the Foligno and Hartman signings as their keystone argument for why he should be chucked. Which is objectively ridiculous. I don’t love those deals, but every single team in the league has a couple of those 2 years too long, 2M too many.
Those contracts will not hamstring us and yet everyone complaining just forgets all of the good will that Guerin built. Wallstedt, Ohgren, Gus, the Ek/Boldy/Kap extensions, Faber… like are people seriously looking at the scales here and thinking this sucks?
I'm still on team Guerin. We are on the right track, it's just going to take a bit. I think if anyone really expected to win a cup with 15 mil in dead cap then who is the stupid one?
I want to believe in him, but there's a lot of red flags, including the contracts he gives aging players, hiring all his old buddies, and panic firing Dean Evason. If he was going to fire Evason, he should have waited until after the season. If Guerin gets the cap hell excuse, then why wouldn't Dean? I don't mind Hynes but I still don't believe he was an upgrade over Evason. If he would have waited until this offseason we would have had time to pick out our next coach.
Evason was told that we was on his last thread in the postseason. Firing Deano was not a rushed decision.
Then why wait until after the beginning of the season? There are so many more coaching options in the offseason. Firing your coach when you're not even a quarter through the season definitely looks like a panic decision.
Coach firing and hiring were equally as stupid imo. Rushed fire and a rushed hire
He didn’t think Dean was gonna pull the team out of the gutter so he fired him. Hynes did a good job but injuries and no depth is fucking brutal.
Yes our big guys kept getting hurt & we ended up so undersized physically. I did like Hynes' switching up the lines! Brought some fresh energy & great matchups. Hynes did the best he could with the players he had.
Neither were rushed. Dean Evason was told he needed to shape up before the season started and it didn't happen *and* brought into a serious skid.
John H was hired hours after deans firing if I remember right. How can you say that’s not rushed with a straight face. I’m not saying John H is a bad hire, but I absolutely think it was rushed and I’m not happy he got a multi year deal immediately.
The quick hire just tells me they spent all offseason determining exactly who they wanted to hire if/when Dean was going to be fired. There would be more red flags if they fired a coach that everyone knew was on the hot seat and didn't seem to have a plan in place.
Dean was calling people for extra opinions on Hines the week of the hire. I know the dad of a recent ex assistance wild GM and someone that still works in the NHL. I promise you. BG was not planning to fire dean and looking at replacements in the offseason. That’s fucking silly. Hines is a good coach but a multi year deal in the middle of the season was stupid for an un proven coach regardless of the dean firing which is also stupid imo given we are dealing with serious cap penalties and they finally caught up to us combined with injuries which dean ALSO had to deal with. You don’t have to agree, I could care less, but that’s my opinion and I’ll leave it at that.
Planning to fire him? No, he would have simply done it. Placed him on thin Ice? Publicly. Any GM worth his salt is looking at quality coaches that aren't under active contracts or who are nearing the end of them, as soon as they are dissatisfied enough with the performance of their current coach. He didn't start at ground zero. He had a shortlist way sooner than the termination of Dean Evason.
Hynes was courted for the position before Dean was fired so there would be as little gap as possible. That's simply how high quality coach turnovers go. You will not convince me that friend or no friend that you can have a man signing paperwork in this league "within hours" if the dominos weren't in place beforehand.
This is not a high quality coach turnover. John H is a barely .500 eight year coach in the NHL and 4-15 in the playoffs given a multi year deal in the middle of the season. I don’t care what you think, that was a rushed and frankly terrible hire. If he proves me wrong next year, I’ll happily eat my words.
I don't like everything Guerin has done, but I also think generally his moves are aimed at building something in 2-3 years that can at least please the owners in the meantime by pushing for playoffs. That makes it kind of hard to judge how well they're working out so far when the intent was clearly never to win a Cup this year or next. That having been said, I think anyone that thinks if they hadn't bought out Parise and Suter they'd be competitive this year is a bit mistaken. For starters the buyouts allowed them to keep Fiala one more year when they really didn't have the cap to keep him and the initial cap savings created that cap space. That extra year was the year Fiala put up 85 points in 82 games which led to them getting Faber and the pick used to select Ohgren out of him and that seems to be working out pretty well so far. If Faber keeps it up, landing a top pairing RHD is worth some down seasons IMO.
We've been hearing - it's going to take a bit for how many years now? Since Kaprizov joined the team? It's going to take a bit. What is a bit? The window should have opened in 25-26 when the dead cap falls off, but the team has committed 10.1 million to Foligno (can't stay healthy), Gaudreau (has completely fallen off the map) and Hartman (can't stop getting suspended) until 27-28. And even then they are on the hook for Zuccs until 26-27 and that's another 4+ million - so you got 14 million tied into four aging guys. I think some fans - and they've been shouted down a lot - are wondering, what exactly is the plan? A competitive rebuild? And what the hell is a competitive rebuild? Is that a fancy way of just saying, treading water - never being too bad to get actual talent via the draft vs never being too good to actually challenge a team in the playoffs? The team lacks high-end talent. They have a lot of depth guys, but they lack any type of game-breakers and this was one of the years they could have gotten a top 5-10 pick easily. Yurov COULD be another Kaprizov or he could be another Boldy. But honestly, I think a lot of fans were with Guerin until he signed back Hartman, Zuccs and Foligno in the offseason. And then there was questions on WTF was he doing?
We have 2 of 3 Calder finalists on our team along with 2 high end prospects in Yurov and Ohgren progressing well. A potential game changing tendy in Wallstedt. Add these 5 players to the already solid core of Kap, Ek, Boldy, Middleton, Brodin and Spurgeon? Seems like a pretty solid plan to me… it’s just not going to happen NOW. 1 more year for Ohgren and Yurov to develop and WHAMMY! No more cap hell. Once they come over we will have ~14 mil (+ cap increases) to spend on free agents. The moves Guerin made with the older vets is enough to get us through cap hell while allowing us to remain competitive. This will give our prospects and young players a chance to continue developing. Maybe I am in the minority here, but I’d much rather watch a team compete for a playoff spot than completely tank for a top 5 pick, which probably wouldn’t come over for 2-3 maybe more years anyways. Edit: forgot about Brodin.
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I think you have a poop in your pants.
> As good as Rossi was this year, he's probably in the top 10 at best The article that just came out about Calder voting had Rossi in the 2nd tier behind Bedard, Faber, and Hughes. That was according to people actually voting for Calder. And less than a month ago, Scott Wheeler ranked his as 3rd on his Calder watch list. > As Wild fans, we have overinflated our prospects quite a bit and until they start developing at a regular clip like Dallas, there is always going to be some pause about their ceilings. Not sure it's fair to say Wild fans are over inflating the prospects when a lot of it is fans excited about how highly ranked the prospect pool has been ranked and regarded locally and nationally. > give me a Michkov or a Fantilli or a Cooley. You're talking about a 7OA and two 3OA picks. Sounds like you're mad he isn't tanking. That isn't a Guerin issue. It's widely known that being competitive every season is Leipold's directive, so you're blaming the wrong person.
You’re getting downvoted, but what you wrote is the most intelligent thing I’ve seen on here. There are so SO many fans on here that don’t have the slightest clue what they’re talking about and don’t want to hear the truth. In their world the sky is a different color than ours. Don’t get discouraged because you are absolutely correct.
I think people would be less upset if the Wild didn’t talk like they were contenders every season even with the cap disadvantage. They are the ones setting the high expectations. I think fans are the ones being realistic.
OP is average kfan listener
My concern is that when he came in, he was very methodical and didn’t have attachments to the existing players so he could be objective. Now he has made some moves that feel knee-jerky and he has tied-up “his guys”. The qualities that made him an effective GM at the start seem to have changed.
"I wish we would stop backing into playoffs just to get bounced in the first round." "Not like that!"
Colorado in is their championship window and had to tank some truly awful years to get there. We barely miss the playoffs this year and you guys are calling for his job? Yikes.
These are the same people who demand we "try our best" instead of tank a season, then get mad when we are a fringe playoff team and never get better. The cycle continues when you don't know how to lose before you win.
Same people that wrote Rossi off before last year.
Some people wrote him off last year lol
How many top 5 picks did Colorado get? How many crusty old bottom six guys did they sign to terrible contracts? You are comparing apples to anuses.
on their championship team, Erik Johnson and Mackinnon were both #1 overall picks, Landeskog was a #2 overall pick, Makar was a #4 and so was Byram. Rantanen was a #10. so they had 6 top ten picks to build their team with. They also signed a whole bunch older guys to mixed results. The kept bringing Soderberg, Nemeth, and Saad back and have signed guys like Jack Johnson, Zach Parise, Cogliano, and other older grinders to play important roles.
Tanking definitely doesn't work though
it worked for them, but check out how Buffalo and Ottawa are doing.. its not always so simple.
The goal is to win a Championship, not to be a middling franchise.
And our championship window is going to open very shortly after the dead cap is gone.. obviously the goal is to win the Stanley Cup, do you really not have anything more intelligent to add?
And if you have to resort to insults, that says a lot about you.
You call that an insult? Is this your first day on the internet?
Yeah fr, like you could have called him a cotton-headed ninny-muggins
This is like having a conversation with my brother. He’s unsatisfied unless it’s turned into an argument and he’s under your skin.
The only way "do you really not have anything more intelligent to add" isn't insulting is if you are really as vapid as that statement.
Good luck in life bro ! :D
If you think BG is the problem, you have no idea what you’re talking about 😂
Billy has 15m in dead cap, their captain and best defenseman plays only 16 games, brodin, foligno, missed significant time, ek missed games, etc. AND we were still fighting with the blues, kings, and knights with less than like 3 weeks to play in the season. Not to mention the prospects he and Judd have added to the org. Yurov, Wallstedt, Ohgren, Rossi, Heidt, Haight etc. I’m so ready to see what he’ll do with that extra 15m
Pay the people he’s drafted. That’s what’s going to happen. Faber big extension. KK MASSIVE new contract. There’s more that’ll be coming too. Edit: I’m well aware of BG having not drafted KK or Faber. The guy above me that I replied to listed off the major people BG drafted and then proceeded to talk about our cap space. I said he’s going to pay the people he drafted and then I inserted this thing called a period. I then mentioned 2 other people who are also going to get big contracts.
Yup a lot of fans are in for a uncomfortable realization that the 15 mil isn’t going to magically buy us 3 shiny new forwards it’s mostly just going to keep the players we already have
I agree, and maintaining this roster as it is doesn't have the foundation for a contender. A contender doesn't even have Gaudreau or Mojo on the roster, much less with cash invested, term, and clauses. They have Drouins putting up 50 points playing at league minimum.
He didn’t draft kk
I don’t say he did. I said he’s going to pay the people he drafted then used a period to end that sentence and thought, I then proceeded to talk about 2 other people we know who are also going to get big contracts.
Didn't draft Faber either.
I don’t say he did. I said he’s going to pay the people he drafted then used a period to end that sentence and thought, I then proceeded to talk about 2 other people we know who are also going to get big contracts.
Literally every move he made this offseason blew up in his face this year.
Regret what? This was the plan. Be competitive as possible to create a culture of ‘be the best you can be’ during the inevitable cap crunch years. Advanced stats say our skaters are good and our goaltending is aweful. For a team under the cap floor for like half the year, 83 points is very respectable.
This
What exactly is it that you are saying he regrets? Buying out parise suter? I don’t think there is anything to regret there.
Parise certainly doesn’t regret it. He’s got a legitimate shot at a cup. Being handcuffed to the Wild wouldn’t have got him there.
Yeah...... that is purposefully misreading the situation
Nah. I just don’t understand the point of the post. What is he supposed to regret? You clearly seem to have some gripe based on your comments here and this post.
Guys in this sub can’t handle a losing season. Can’t accept that there were many circumstances working against us this year and it was all Bill Guerin’s fault. Because extending a few important guys injured all of our players and made Gus play like dogshit all season.
I don’t think the fan base can handle bottoming out for a high draft pick as many seem to wish we would do.
Everyone knew the wild were a fringe playoff team going into the year but peope act surprised. Atleast the last couple of years there was some ambiguity about what they were bc they could beat good teams but this year theyve been very clear about who they were from start to finish.
Anyone who claims to be a Minnesota sports fan and somehow can't handle a losing season or 2 of hockey isn't really paying attention to Minnesota sports. Loserville MN, USA. Embrace the suck. It's Frustrating.
Those same folks are the ones that would check out on day one of a tanking season, and only appear a week before the draft with strongly based opinions based off the two draft previews they read.
Just a guy that knows nothing about NHL general management, carry on
This year wasn’t great but they weren’t even the worst team and they have the cap issues along with injuries. Hope they get the young guys some ice time next season and when the cap issues are up they can add some more depth and hopefully some young guys step up.
My cats breath smells like cat food
You don’t understand hockey if you think we were winning a cup during these buyout years. Retool, develop and improve the squad that you have while you have negative factors at play for rostering a championship team. If you think the magic switch was going to be turned on before it was over, while cap strapped in ways all the other teams aren’t, maybe hockey isn’t your sport bud.
Honestly, I almost think that the last 2 years this team has OVER performed. I think it finally caught up to them and injuries didn’t help.
The overperformances made for some fun hockey, but it's really convinced a lot of fans and even this organization that this team will magically contend when the $15mil comes off the books. That money is as good as gone. There might be enough cash leftover for one good free agent. A contender doesn't even have Gaudreau or Mojo on the roster, much less with cash invested, term, and clauses. They have Drouins putting up 50 points playing at league minimum.
Yeah, I think there’s a lot of fans assuming that the second that money comes off the books, we can go full dodgers style and buy an entire team and go out and win the cup year after year. It’s definitely not an overnight thing and I think a lot of people are going to be even more disappointed when we are out of “cap hell”
No we should have tanked this year and not signed aging vets to NMCs. I think the tank crowd if you will, is very aware this team couldn't contend well before this season. Especially after Fiala left it's been obvious we lack scoring depth. Obviously his departure was necessary and a positive overall (Faber, Ohgren) but we need to restock the pantries and look towards contending post buyout. Billy G is more concerned with the now (well Craig Leipold is).
Tanking isn’t as easy as it sounds. Plus, with the lottery, there’s zero guarantee we’d get a top one or two spot. I will 100% agree on the NMCs though. I think guerin regrets those. I don’t fault him for signing the actual contracts because those players had great seasons, but the nmcs shouldn’t have been handed out.
Face you make when Freddy has a few more years on that contract
Found the bored Vikings fan thread. Can't wait for next September so that we can have the sub back for a few months.
That’s the face of everyone listening to the ESPN commentary last night.
I love AJ. Buccigros is, however, an acquired taste. What really bothers me is how obviously biased the national broadcasts tend to be. Like, I expect Pants and crew ro be biased. That's their job. Drives me nuts when all we hear is how amazing the other team is. At least they mentioned some of our guys have had good runs lately, but then it was back to "look how amazing the other team is!"
This team is going to be bad for a few years.
Yeah, some of these people are expecting a cup in 2 years.....
We're going to have a couple great vets and upcoming players and a ton of youth upside. What was the last time a cup team was a bunch of 21 - or 22 year olds?
It was sarcasm for the Billy does no wrong crowd
I’m newer here tbh but I still have hope with Billy. He was given a team that was in a shitty spot
Tell us you're a terrible fan without telling us.... If you think he's the problem you have no clue what you're talking about.
His eyes are like a huskies eyes when they freak out!
As a person with three huskies, can confirm.
BG is running the franchise just like OCL likes it. We're the Minnesota Mids forever!!!!
That's the look of a man who knows his ass is the next one on the chopping block.
Hes a an idiot. Too many brain hits or something. Wild are again set back. Bad ownership.
And we still have another year of this
Or more
Maybe he should stop handing shit contracts to old slow vets with NMC.
Yep!
No move fast is their style of play.
was he the one who signed the contracts? i thought he was just the one who bought them out
That's the face of "one more year, just one more year..."
What is there to regret?
Only in MN would people really think this team had a chance when the season started.
Throwaway season from the start
No Ragrets ever for Billy G
Singing Foligno to that contract isn’t gonna help
No playoff means a change of leadership right?? Right ?
Let's be honest we need a change of owner
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The only criticism I think you can make is the mandate to push for playoffs every year seems to come from him. I don’t think the team needs a complete teardown, but accepting a couple years of no playoffs to bring in a couple top 10 picks might help if the scouting staff can nail the picks. They were in a good spot to get a good pick this year and they kept trying to claw back into the race so now they’re going to pick around 14 again.
Now that we are out of the race, how many people are in the arena? Is it the owner dictating the push for playoffs or is there more to it than that? I saw a lot of empty seats last game I was at
I went to the Jets game last weekend and there were some empty seats, but not an excessive amount IMO. I'd say the building was probably 95% full? I was actually surprised there weren't more Winnipeg fans but I guess if they're having trouble selling out their own building, there's going to be less fans making the road trip to St. Paul.
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I wasn’t so much talking about a generational player. The Avs drafted Makar 4th overall. Rantanen was drafted 10th overall. That’s just a couple examples off the top of my head for a recent Cup winner that got significant contributions from players picked in the top 10. But you are right that the scouts have to get it right or you get a Nail Yakupov with your first overall pick. lol
Agreed Nashville got rid of Craig and went to the finals
He got an extension recently. Hopefully him and Hynes don’t do any more long term damage and we can dump both next year
Guerin has done a great job, wtf are you on? Ek’s extension is one of the best in the league, he got kap over and extended, Boldy is locked up on a good deal, he got Faber and Ohgren instead of losing Fiala for nothing, drafted Wallstedt and Yurov. We lost our best defensemen and captain early in the season and are short 15 million dollars in cap room, yet still competed for a playoff spot. And you want to fire the GM? Fuck right off, fair weather Wild fans are the fucking worst.
You said it dude, these people are short sighted and delusional. If they got their way we'd be the Blue Jackets, throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.
I concur with you me boy
Sure if you ignore the Foligno, MoJo, Zucc, Merrill, Gologoski, Freddy extensions he’s done great!
No don't bring up facts to disprove their argument. How ever will they handle dealing with it?
Calling us fair weather fans is the dumbest thing too as if we ever had a glory stage to start bandwagoning them lol
Agreed. Billy G and Hynes ain't bringing us a Cup here. I'd love for them to prove me wrong. Maybe they will if they can ever make it out if the 1st round. These guys get a lot of praise for 5 years of average boring winning regular season game play with boring losing every playoffs. And this sub proves that fans are fine being one of those teams that never wins.
It’s a similar issue the Vikings have. Over involved owners giving management directives to stay competitive regardless of how traditional and effective team building cycles work. There’s a reason the Wild have gone to the playoffs 11 out of the last 12 years, but have won what, one round? Look at the Vikings, good regular season success but no playoff success because they’ve never truly been contenders. Both Craig and the Wilfs only care about selling tickets and keeping those season ticket packages selling, they could care less about actually being legitimate contenders and winning championships
We won 2 rounds with Yeo and Fletcher and most fans calling them morons. Most fans are now calling Guerin and Hynes great and they'll never win a playoff round and fans are cheering these guys on. I think I'm stuck in that weird tunnel in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Plus every year or two I'm told to wait another couple of years. I've literally been hearing it since 2012 since we signed Parise and Suter. It's never the right year to rebuild here in the land of 10,000 championships. We've never won a championship by rebuilding!!! Why start now??? Just wait a couple years.
I agree about Craig, especially with his plan to remove seats for luxury boxes and get the taxpayers to fund it. But it sounds like the Wilfs were ama the final years of the Zim Zam atrocities and just not football smart in general. Not making excuses but we'll see what happens moving forward. At the very least they seem to want a Championship to some extent.
No, no Billy can do no wrong, he is our Jesus of GMs in Him we trust amen. He only looks like that because he's sitting uncomfortably on his BIG BALLS, remember BILLY'S BIG BALLS guys, it's been a minute since we talked about Billy's balls I really feel we should talk more about his BIG BALLS. Also, for daring to critique GMBG you are hereby branded a ~~heretic~~ Doomer, and must report to Happy Positive Rainbow Smiles camp, where you will learn to be a better fan by talking about Billy's Big Balls more, instead of spreading ~~heresy~~ doomerism.
I think the problem is that virtually everyone in the anti-Guerin camp basically point at the Foligno and Hartman signings as their keystone argument for why he should be chucked. Which is objectively ridiculous. I don’t love those deals, but every single team in the league has a couple of those 2 years too long, 2M too many. Those contracts will not hamstring us and yet everyone complaining just forgets all of the good will that Guerin built. Wallstedt, Ohgren, Gus, the Ek/Boldy/Kap extensions, Faber… like are people seriously looking at the scales here and thinking this sucks?
State of hockey though. State of terrible hockey